In order to prevent redundant threads with users crying into the wind, let's create a single list of board-related issues in order to better discuss and propose suggestions to Hiro and the staff.
When posting an issue, be sure to post which boards the issues affect, and try to keep it civil. If you would like to contribute more specifics, examples, etc. to a single issue, then by all means do so.
The current major issues, according to /qa/, are:
>/tv/
>A lack of consistent moderation
>topic favoritism beyond the stated board rules, including allowing porn and meme threads to go unchecked while banning any mention of actresses
>/v/
>a lack of consistent moderation
>disagreement over what is and isn't board related, resulting in calls for a board split.
>/d/, /aco/
>The creation of /aco/ had negative effects on /d/'s community and board culture, slowing the board to a crawl and leaving many topics untouchable by either board
/co/
>the increased popularity of superheroes in recent years has created a glut of superhero threads on /co/. The creation of a separate thread that allows live-action, animated, and comic book superhero content has been requested.
>/pol/
>the addition of flags to the board was a punitive measure by moot applied for personal reasons, and negatively affects communication on the board by introducing regional tribalism.
>Global
>the feedback form receives few public solutions to issues that are not software related, even though it supposedly applies to board issues as well. Issues of board content are often dealt with directly through hostile posts and spam, resulting in this slow, indirect method of feedback seeing no use. It provides users with little satisfaction or confirmation of its usefulness.
>Many feel the moderation teams have become too comfortable in their positions and feel possessive towards the boards they frequently moderate, removing control of the community from the users.
>>376920
>Global
>The front page ad server has the ability to run JavaScript and redirects to a malware site
>/mu/
>poptimists, meme rap fans, forced memes, aaron
>>376920
>global
>no fix the growing general culture
>>376926
Can you go into a little more detail? Many of us, including Hiro, may not understand /mu/'s board culture and what those issues are.
>>376920
>/co/
>>the increased popularity of superheroes in recent years has created a glut of superhero threads on /co/. The creation of a separate board that allows live-action, animated, and comic book superhero content has been requested.
Which is stupid since the problem stems from live action stuff on /co/
It would be better just delete /co/ and make a Western Toku and Animation board along with a board for just Comics
>>376932
The problem with that is that it leaves western animation without a board entirely, while also leaving the comic books related to that western toku separate from the shows they inspired.
For instance, you could no longer discuss things related to the Flash television show like the origins of characters or possible future characters while still being on topic. Plus, the few non-superhero western toku series don't really share many similarities with the superhero ones.
In addition, moving Superheroes to a separate board would encourage conversations on /co/ regarding non-superhero comics and cartoons.
A /co/-/cape/ split could be much like the /a/-/m/ split (except probably more amicable)
>global with the exception of /r9k/
>redditfrogs
>>376939
>The problem with that is that it leaves western animation without a board entirely
Western Toku and Animation would be for the cartoons and live action tv/movie stuff.
The comic board would just be for the comics
>the few non-superhero western toku series don't really share many similarities with the superhero ones.
That to help /tv/ a bit. /tv/ can shove scifi stuff like Star Wars onto that board if it get out of hand on their board.
Superheroes aren't the problem on /co/, the problem has always been Marvel/DC live action stuff and cartoons. There is plenty of non-Marvel/DC superheroes that don't get discussion on /co/ like stuff from Valiant. They shouldn't get kicked off the board because of Marvel/DC shit.
>>376945
>That to help /tv/ a bit. /tv/ can shove scifi stuff like Star Wars onto that board if it get out of hand on their board.
The problem there is that, if you create a board for all Western Toku and Animation, you've just created a Star Wars/Doctor Who board and banished all animation to it.
There's more to western animation than just superheroes, so it doesn't make sense to tie Western Toku to all western animation.
>Superheroes aren't the problem on /co/, the problem has always been Marvel/DC live action stuff and cartoons. There is plenty of non-Marvel/DC superheroes that don't get discussion on /co/ like stuff from Valiant. They shouldn't get kicked off the board because of Marvel/DC shit.
Much like Gundam and /m/, you'll always have one very popular face of a medium, but lesser known franchises are welcome as well. It's not about kicking things like your Valiant comics or Invincible off of one board. It's about giving things that share a collective identity their own board.
Mecha anime is still discussed on occasion on /a/, but the users that invest themselves in that specific genre have their own space to discuss it in-depth.
Don't forget about the filters senpai.
>>376920
>Global
>ReCaptcha has gotten more and more unstable, and doesn't work much of the time. Many have suggested a solution like 8ch's captchas.
>>376960
The v1 Captcha works fine though. Is the new one with clicking street signs etc that is borked.
>>376960
Anon, have you ever experienced spam bots? The captcha per post needs to stay. Either, the v1 needs to be enforced as default or a effective captcha system that isn't google needs to be used
>>376959
>You mean adding more of then right anon? Filters are fun
Some boards don't like them. It's not fair to have filters on boards that like don't like them. /pol/, /int/, /mu/ all hate the filters, not sure about other boards.
/x/
>No rules, no defined topics of discussion
>Sticky full of dead links that doesn't do anything for the board. People post the links regardless
>Low quality threads all over the place i.e. "summon succubus" or "is this paranormal"
>Moderation deletes threads that are /x/ appropriate, leaving the above to stay, and users constantly complain about /x/ appropriate threads being "not paranormal". Nobody understands that /x/ is not just for paranormal topics. A defined list and guidelines via a new sticky, rules, and/or a complete board split into the two clear and specific main topics of discussion on /x/ (the occult and the creepy/weird) would mitigate moderation error and reduce "not paranormal" posting. Suggestions have been blatantly ignored for years.
>Consistent shitposting about "disinfo" and "shills"
>Both /pol/ and /x/ do not want low quality conspiracy theory discussion, yet the moderation encourages it to go on in /x/ by telling people on /pol/ to go to /x/, and with the /biz/ rule that conspiracy theories in general belong on /x/. There has to be a clear definition of what belongs on /x/. /x/ worked back in 2007 with its myriad of topics because the people knew why it was there. Now, the majority of posters are new users, and the "paranormal" board title is not indicative of what belongs there, nor are there any rules or guidelines as there are on other boards. The one and only rule on /x/ about it being a creepy board is out of date.
/x/ has been repeatedly neglected in its lifetime. We have had poor moderation and /x/ raids up until around 2012 when we got heavier moderation, but now its too late. The moderation we do have deletes threads they shouldn't, and the majority of old users have left out of frustration, resulting in an influx of new users. This in turn has brought low quality posting and a loss of culture/memes to /x/. Something has to be done to encourage the posters of /x/ to come back and to discourage the posters that are currently there.
>>376964
>Many have suggested a solution like 8ch's captchas.
>>376970
Anon, I don't use 8shit, I only know they have a once a day captcha, so you are going to have to inform me and everyone else what it is
>>376969
>/x/ raids
This should be /b/ raids, by the way
>>376967
>. It's not fair to have filters on boards that like don't like them.
You don't seem to understand the point of the filters do you? The point of them isn't to stop shitposting, but actually complaining about them gives even more reason for them to stay in place
>>376969
/x/ is a board in dire need of attention. It's one of the few boards that the mods largely consider a joke, and find letting it be trashed funny.
>>376920
/tg/
>Quest threads, a type of forum game, take up a large percentage of the board, and don't share a userbase with the rest of the board, with many of them being from /a/ and writing stories based on anime franchises. Despite a very large and vocal movement against them, they are largely protected on the board. This has resulted in a yearly measurable drop in /tg/ related threads as users are driven away.
>>376967
And those posters are the shitposters that those boards don't need. Go to reddit if you want to ironically shitpost.
>>376980
>And those posters are the shitposters
Those so-called shitposters are the majority of the board.
Try it yourself, post a strawpoll on /pol/, /int/ or /mu/.
The majority will be against the filters.
>>376976
Once a day captchas that aren't recaptcha based.
I've used other chans that don't have captchas at all, and there's no spam problems. I was here when 4chan didn't have it either. Believe me. The whole site was better for it, and the few spambots that showed up were less of a hassle than the solution we have now.
Moot said the captchas were supposed to be temporary at the time. He just made them permanent so he could sell passes.
The site has spam filters that could easily solve the problem if someone manually enter a captcha to run a bot. The only thing the spam filters are used for now is blocking things the mods don't like.
>>376983
Too bad, the point is that we don't want the shitposting. Ironic shitposting has caused this site to create a culture around the shit we don't want here, and has caused several boards to degenerate in quality. I repeat, go to reddit if you want to ironically shitpost.
>>376983
Anon, just because they are the majority, doesn't mean they are right. In this case, desu senpai kek are all words used mainly for shitposting and as such, the majority means fuck all. Unfiltering them just so people can shitpost would defeat the purpose of the filters. They exist as a form of enjoyment for the mods, admin and users. Basically to piss them off. People complaining and being upset about them makes leaving them on even better
None of the words are needed for actually discussion, getting actually upset about it is beautiful and these users should be laughed at, not applauded
>>376950
>The problem there is that, if you create a board for all Western Toku and Animation, you've just created a Star Wars/Doctor Who board and banished all animation to it.
I don't see that problem with that. That board will just become the fandom board with most of /co/ generals being cartoons.
Plus this is not about giving thing that share a collective identity it's own board. This is about removing a subject off a board because it prevents other subjects from being talked about. A superhero board would only make cartoons more prominent on /co/ and most comic threads would be more about comics based on licensed works such as Star Wars and webcomics rather any indie comic let alone a good one.
>>376984
>The site has spam filters that could easily solve the problem if someone manually enter a captcha to run a bot.
2011 /a/ proves otherwise. Was a script that allowed the user to flood the board which made it unusable. Spam filters couldn't stop it. And this was with a captcha (with no timeout). Imagine what it would be like without one or just going back to that again.
>>376989
Some would argue that it's not shitposting and that they're just fun memes. Filters have no place on 4chan, they're not even the fun colourful filters that /b/ used to have.
>>376994
>they're not even the fun colourful filters
But they are? They are filtering words that are considered controversial on the site and on top of that, they are filtered to japanese words which in recent time the site has gained a anti-japanese crew and kek is a dead meme hated by many
They might not be very original, but they are fucking funny
>>376994
Global rule 3
It's ironic shitposting that is bannable and only arose from people making fun of Facebook posts of black people. Why do you think it's a good idea to perpetuate something that newfags will interpret as non-ironic? Yes it is shitposting. It is the equivalent of going around posting "lol randum" tier humor. When boards on this site have lost quality because of its prevalence and inappropriateness, it is shitposting.
>>376994
>Filters have no place on 4chan
Yet they have made things like weeaboo a proper word around here. No one says wapanese any more.
I hope the same happens to the current filtered words.
>>376994
The biggest problem is that twitterspeak is such low hanging fruit if you want to shitpost. The rise in usage of those abbreviations has:
1. severely increased the amount of shitposting
2. severely reduced the quality of shitposting
Shitposting used to take more effort. Now that the go-to shitposting tools have been filtered, it requires people to be more creative with their shitposting - which results in a rise in quality.
>>377001
Filters have never been a thing outside of /b/ senpai.
>>376991
> http://www.4chan.org/news?all
>After months of trying to mitigate the spam through various means, we resorted to implementing reCAPTCHA across the image boards, intending it to be a temporary fix. Fortunately, it was successful in blocking most automated attempts to spam the site, and immediately reduced the number of malicious images being uploaded to our servers. In fact it worked so well that we decided to make its addition permanent.
He goes on to rationalize why he's selling passes, but ReCaptcha was always intended to be temporary.
Like it or not, 4chan is vastly less popular than it once was. A 24, or even 12 hour captcha is a much more measured solution than captcha-per-post like we have today.
The worst spammer that I ever saw hit the site was the Anon talk spammer, and even he could've been dealt with easily through a filter.
>>377008
IT'S NOT SHITPOSTING WE JUST LIKE POSTING THEM.
>>377012
>>377012
They literally add nothing to the content of a post. Why the fuck would anybody like using them.
>>377017
>You are now confirmed for having got here last week. Just stop posting.
Tell me, anon. What have they ever been a thing outside of /b/? Special occasions like Halloween don't count because they are only temporary.
>>377018
When*
>>377010
>4chan is vastly less popular than it once was
Maybe over the past few years, but it is still bigger than it was in 2010.
>>377016
To shitpost. He's saying "It's not shitposting" because he thinks lying to seem "innocent" will get them back.
It won't. Hiro is smarter than a /pol/ idiot.
>>376984
Anon, if you removed the captcha system, I can ensure you, the site will fucking drown in spam. In actual fact, I will make sure of that
This isn't a 'it might', its a 'it will'. 4chan is one of the worlds largest websites. The instant you remove the captcha system is the instant everyone, myself included, revs up their spambots
>>376992
>I don't see that problem with that. That board will just become the fandom board with most of /co/ generals being cartoons.
You're not thinking about the topic logically then. You're trying to banish everything you don't like to a single board to create a board that's only for you.
Trying to create boards out of negativity is only going to result in negative communities.
>Plus this is not about giving thing that share a collective identity it's own board. This is about removing a subject off a board because it prevents other subjects from being talked about.
>A superhero board would only make cartoons more prominent on /co/ and most comic threads would be more about comics based on licensed works such as Star Wars and webcomics rather any indie comic let alone a good one.
This is an issue that's brought up on /a/. Anime discussion far outweighs the discussion of manga due to it being easier to get into. It's always going to happen with boards like that. But some things are always going to be less popular, and get less discussion.
A secondary split between /co/mics and /ca/rtoons might be warranted, but the notion of a "Cartoon and Live Action" board is nonsensical unless tied together by a theme (like /m/ is, or a hypothetical superhero board.)
There are a lot of comics that I like that wouldn't be on a /cape/ board. That's fine though. Topics you like can share space with ones you don't. But when a topic grows into an entire board-consuming genre, then a board for those people should be considered.
I'm curious what comics specifically that you're so scared of being lost on a superhero-specific board.
>>377017
>"He never said that!"
>posts citation
>"H..he didn't mean it!"
grasping at straws
>>377030
OR he's using logic by taking Moot's POV and demonstrating that, in understanding the impact of Cornelia et al, he had to have had it in his mind that it would never be possible to have it as a temporary measure even if he wanted or originally intended it to be. Please learn to read and interpret.
>>377031
>please learn to make shit up randomly that suits your POV
>>377035
Are you retarded? It is impossible for Moot to have experienced the four waves of .js .hta chaos at the same time as the anontalk spam and not understand that this is going to be a perpetual problem without a permanent implementation. Do you have an actual argument or are you just going to continue to greentext like it actually means something? Not our fault you can't into basic comprehension of a post you're replying to.
Are the Google shills ITT?
>>377038
And before you just post the news post again without offering any substantive thoughts of your own, that could just have easily been referring to an initial thought in regards to it, and regardless, it is impossible for him to have not realized a short time after that it could never work as a temporary fix. A PR move due to the unpopularity of the idea like >>377037
said is possible as well.
>>377038
First you claim he never said that, then you blatantly ignore what he actually said to come up with your own reasonings.
If you're content to live outside of reality you're more than welcome to, but that doesn't change the fact that the implementation of captchas being used on this site right now are poorly implemented, ESPECIALLY with ReCaptcha's changes over the last several months.
The fact that they were left in place to create a purchasable bypass does not reflect positively on the administration of the site.
>>377048
I never claimed shit, I've been responding to your inability to comprehend what the person you were originally arguing with was saying. Not surprised you're unable to follow that.
>>377050
I've followed your nonsensical faggotry just fine. All you're capable of doing is ignoring facts and making things up.
>>377025
>/pol/ has had wordfilters
Such as? Reddit getting filtered to 4chan was only temporary.
>>377027
>Anon, if you removed the captcha system, I can ensure you, the site will fucking drown in spam. In actual fact, I will make sure of that
>This isn't a 'it might', its a 'it will'. 4chan is one of the worlds largest websites. The instant you remove the captcha system is the instant everyone, myself included, revs up their spambots
>"IF YOU DARE REMOVE MUH CAPCHAS IM GONNA KILL UR SITE"
Enjoy your ban.
>>377059
We need that filter back big time
>>376931
Don't worry, that guy is just spouting memes because he doesn't like it when people make threads about music he doesn't like. The only valid complaint on there would be if you were to interpret 'poptimists' as waifufags, and that's an issue that needs to be dealt with on most media-centric boards.
>>376967
I'm from /mu/ and I love the filters and haven't seen much outright dislike of them. Personally I think /mu/ needed them the most, the """ ironic""" twitter ebonics were just causing even more shitposting than usual and basically killing /bleep/.
>>377137
Uh, forced memes is a genuine complaint. /mu/ is fucking garbage. Death Grips memery immediately comes to mind. It's not that the band itself is not wanted on /mu/, it's when "*glass breaks*" and other lyric parroting and images of MC Ride alongside some ironic meme garbage infect the whole of the catalog.
>>377143
Yeah, and most of the time that shit disappears within ~20 minutes. Its gotten a bit worse as of late, but it could be pretty easily fixed by better moderation (which is certainly not a /mu/ specific issue.)
Also quite honestly the memes are a part of the culture at this point. /mu/ has been tending towards being [s4s2.0] + music discussion for a while now, and as long as the music discussion stays >~80% most of the time I don't see it as much of an issue.
>>377146
>/mu/ has been tending towards being [s4s2.0] + music discussion for a while now, and as long as the music discussion stays >~80% most of the time I don't see it as much of an issue
Some things do not need to change. That's equivalent to saying /tv/'s current state is ok. Here's the thing, I don't have a problem with memes and occasional shitposting. No user of 4chan for more than 3 years should. But there is a point at which it gets too bad, and where it is evident that the underaged newfags do not understand limits on boards outside of /b/. It's just garbage, and the only reason it's gotten so bad to where people like you consider it part of the culture is because Moot and the moderation team refused to care about it.
>/v/
>filled with normalfags treating /v/ as an alternative Facebook/Reddit for rejects.
Let's try and keep things on topic instead of developing into arguing
>/tv/
>Absolutely horrible moderation. Current mod allows interracial porn threads up and doesn't seem to care about deleting them
>Celebrity threads get spammed all the damn time.
>Non-Stop meming and star wars spam that hasn't let up and won't let up since mods and jannies don't delete these threads and shitposts
>/v/
>Horrible moderation. Off Topic threads stay up for hours without even getting deleted
>War between Westakeks and Weeaboos. Western Gamers hate the Weeaboos with a passion and shitpost the weeb threads up all the time. Because of this, many are calling for a split of /v/.
>Threads like LOL Comics, E-celeb threads, and SJW's clog the board and are off topic. Anyone who is against censorship is instantly labeled a GamerGate supporter
(cont.)
>/d/, /aco/
>The creation of /aco/ had negative effects on /d/'s community and board culture, slowing the board to a crawl and leaving many topics untouchable by either board
/co/
>the increased popularity of superheroes in recent years has created a glut of superhero threads on /co/. The creation of a separate thread that allows live-action, animated, and comic book superhero content has been requested.
>/pol/
>the addition of flags to the board was a punitive measure by moot applied for personal reasons, and negatively affects communication on the board by introducing regional tribalism.
>Global
>the feedback form receives few public solutions to issues that are not software related, even though it supposedly applies to board issues as well. Issues of board content are often dealt with directly through hostile posts and spam, resulting in this slow, indirect method of feedback seeing no use. It provides users with little satisfaction or confirmation of its usefulness.
>Many feel the moderation teams have become too comfortable in their positions and feel possessive towards the boards they frequently moderate, removing control of the community from the users.
>>377540
Really I agree with everything the OP said abotu the other boards, though I would add more to Global
>Mods have gotten out of control. Then tend to allow threads up they like and find funny while deleting threads that trigger them.
>Feedback doesn't do shit since mods don't bother with them nor care about them. The mods right now HATE the user base, and this has been proven in leaked IRC logs. They don't want to help the site because they despise us. To them 4chan moderation is like their little secret club house
>No one uses the report feature enough. We need a message from Hiro or from the moderation team saying if you see shitposting use the report feature and remind people how to fucking use it.
>Visible sage MUST come back. I know it was abused before, but now with all this shitposting, it is needed more than ever before.
>We need MORE mods. Current mod team may be horrid, but firing them and replacing them won't do any good either in the long run. But again the current mod team needs a smack in the face for the shit they're doing. Hiring board volunteers might help clean up shitposting more, as will hiring more janitors for certain boards like /v/ and /tv/
>Hiro NEEDS to keep in constant contact with us, at least once a week on here and on the other boards. He needs to make it so we can talk to him easier. I have tried tweeting at him and showing him the problems being posted on here, but its doing no good right now.
>Mods need to get the pole out of their ass and WORK with the users to make 4chan great again. Sadly they don't seem to want to since, again they hate us
>>377540
>Non-Stop meming and star wars spam that hasn't let up and won't let up since mods and jannies don't delete these threads and shitposts
I posted in a SW-thread yesterday and it actually got deleted. It wasn't a meme-thread so that must have been why it was deleted.
>>377557
Must have been one rare day. Niggermod probably wasn't on either
I think what's worse is that more famous people seem to be avoiding 4chan now. Now they all seem to go to cripplechan. Shitposting has got to be stopped somehow to make certain boards more tolerable
>>377577
>I think what's worse is that more famous people seem to be avoiding 4chan now.
Might be a good thing. Having famous people here just makes more people come to the site in hope of seeing them. And more new people would mean more shitposting from both new and old users.
>>377580
If you hate the idea of anybody coming to this site, why don't you go make your own private board on 8ch?
>>377585
Why don't you go there if you think it is better to have celebs visit all the time? Reddit might even be a better fit for you since it has AMAs all the time.
>>377580
What people like are having Japanese game devs, Japanese manga authors, and musicians come on here like Andrew WK
>>377591
The format doesn't work well here. You saw how hard it was for Hiro to do his Q&As. Same with moot and his it would take ages to get through posts.
I also remember the likes of Deadmau5 doing some thread on /mu/ a few years back and it was pretty bad.
/a/ also had the LN author from Log Horizon and it was a clusterfuck.
>>377061
No anon, its more, if you remove the captcha I'm going to abuse that fact. If the captcha system is removed, I'm going to straight up kill every general on the site and drown them in lewd lolis
>>377057
Don't try anon, civility was never a option. If you want that, wait for us to all drain ourselves empty
>>377540
Add
>global ban generals or outright heavuly restrict them as they are a cancer on the site and are restricting thread possibles as entire boards are move toward its stale single topic thread culture and abandon the old creative thread creation
>Users need to get the pole out of their ass and WORK with the mods to make 4chan great again. The users outright refuse to take any responsibility for their actions and blame every single mistake and error onto the mods and admin
>>377636
The mods refuse to do anything to help the users.
>>377652
They do on /a/ sometimes. It could also be the mods just hate us now because we shit on them so many times they don't care anymore. Hiro HAS to talk to them
>>377653
It doesn't matter why they don't help. The point is that they don't. Half of what they do is downright malicious towards the users.
I find it difficult to take people who say
>users should work WITH the mods and take responsibility!
seriously, as the mods have free reign to do whatever they like and simply choose not to help the users.
>>377652
Like always, they only care about boards they personally use. My point was that everyone should stop pretending they aren't apart of the fucking problem. The users are just as big of a problem as the dead mods
>>377636
Just so you know, calling something "cancer" isn't an actual justification for something.
Generals are a way for topics to stay alive on modern 4chan's faster boards. The way general threads work is the same way entire boards worked on 4chan 10 years ago.
>>377661
Hiro needs to do another huge Q&A again on here discussing all of this. Or make a thread on the boards with the most problems and find out what's going on
>>377662
>Generals are a way for topics to stay alive on modern 4chan's faster boards.
>>377665
I'm sure you have that ms paint comic at the ready for every mention of Generals.
Let me ask you something though: can you describe why exactly Generals are bad without using memes like "circlejerk," "cancer" or "board culture?"
>>377668
Are you seriously retarded or something? Try comprehending what's going on in the image AND what the poster said in his original post. You are ONLY reading "cancer" and nothing else that was said that actually says why generals are bad. You can't be this dense.
>>377671
OK, thanks for confirming that you're nothing but another underaged shitposter
>>377673
Not my fault you're too lazy to actually comprehend what you read. You don't have an argument so you result to name calling. Generals limit creativity because the topic at hand becomes stale. Regardless of new material, posters keep making threads and form little clubs. The generals then devolve into things like image dumps and off topic discussion. This also attracts new and undesirable users to the site who are, as opposed to how the site has historically been run with transience and ephemerality, attracted to how much a general about their topic is like every other site. They form their club and treat the place like any other forum, resulting in undesirable content such as the use of avatars, emoticons, and posts characteristic of "normalfags" (and don't pretend you don't know what I mean). And yes, they circlejerk (try and actually interpret what that word means this time instead of freaking out). Generals don't work because they become the antithesis of what 4chan is about both in terms of content, users, and culture.
All of the above was easily discernable in the posts you were railing against, but you're too much of a moron to have any inkling of reading comprehension skills. Do you have an actual argument? No? Then fuck off.
>>377668
Anon did you actually look at the fucking comic and my original post? You have outright ignored both and instead singled out certain words and ignored everything else
Generals are threads that are made over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for no reason. They are always the same stale thing. How about we call them the neverending recurring loop in time threads. They are always the same posters, the same questions, the same answers, the same retards, the same image dumps done for the sole purpose of keeping the thread alive, the same stupid trigfags, the same memes, the same shitposting, the rping, the erping, the same everything. Every generals is almost 1:1 to their previous one. And after a while, the users of a general get the self-realization thats exactly what it is and then they just turn it into a offtopic chatroom.
Generals bring NOTHING to the table other than pointless forcing of threads that serve no purpose other than 'we must have this thread up at all times'.
>>377682
>Wants an argument
>Ignores the arguments and offers none in response
>>377682
I'm glad we have had this discussion and come to the conclusion that you are just a generalfag upset that people don't want your stupid safe spaces on the site
>>377686
Great argument.
>>377686
Thank you for contributing anon your valuable insight to this conversation!
>>377695
Sure is, moron. Not surprised you couldn't tell you were talking to two different people.
>>377696
cool edit chief
>>377682
Lack of original content which results in the stagnation of content in general on the site or in regards to a topic. The content in generals after a time are just forcing threads to stay alive through image dumps or "bump" posts for no purpose even when there's nothing to talk about. They talk about the same things over and over again, and there's no use to it. Eventually, off topic discussion and posts just to keep the thread alive arise as a result. The state of 2015 /x/ in general is a good example of the results of stagnation of original content. Site culture is important because it separates us from other sites. The people who come here have historically come here because they were different and because the site was different. That's how community and culture work, we come to communities that fit us. If it becomes like every other community, there is no use for it. That's why lurk more was a good principle, and why the development of general forum tendencies which invites new users who do not go through a learning process is a problem. Generals are a microcosmic example of a problem which can quickly spread to the whole of the site because of the invitation of new users and the encouragement of stagnant content. Original content, encouraged by the ephemeral nature of the site, kept content fresh, interesting, fun, and importantly, on topic toward the applicable board. Stagnant content, in contrast, is self explanatory.
>>377718
is your enter key broken
>>377718
Doesn't seem to be that much of a problem with the generals I go to. Maybe it's on a case to case basis?
>>377729
No one ever notices how shit their general is
>>377731
What if they're only sorta shit and you're leting your boss color your perception?
>>377729
On a non-general board like /a/ or /v/, the effect is more damaging and potentially catastrophic. If you're on /vg/, it's variable the degree of negativity per specific thread, but even the existence of a board like that serves to encourage the introduction of undesirable users and content stagnation of the rest of the site as a result.
>>377735
No anon. All generals are shit and if it isn't already, its a case of when it degrades. Generals are based around the idea of repeating a thread and topic into the ground constantly. You can only talk about the same thing so many times
>>377741
I said non-general
>>377738
You're obviously tremendously biased. I'd ask what general pissed you off so much, but sadly I'm sure it's just "muh culture" that's got you so triggered
>>377743
Please ignore that post, I read yours wrong
/g/
>nobody enforces the sticky unless it's absolutely blatant, tech support and consumer review threads have practically taken over the board
>zero moderation has turned the remainder of the board into shitpost central, low-effort console wars-tier bullshit abound
>some will probably call tinfoil, but it's seriously looking like there's some at the very least limited shilling campaigns going on
The board in general has also just become pleb as fuck, I never thought I would see the day that you could have multiple positive threads about apple products or fucking Reddit shit on the board during peak hours, for example. Bait threads are fucking everywhere, and people fill up the catalog with the dumbest fucking questions.
I don't even know if moderation can help at this point.
>>377737
You have a point. Some generals have much less to talk about depending on what they are based on, and less OC production as well. The /SS13/ General for example usually has people talking about the latest round they had, or how to develop the server further. Since its a game with plenty of depth and rounds that can vary greatly, there is always new stuff to discuss. The cripplegirl thread on the other hand, is everything that people hate about generals.
>>377746
>I'd ask what general pissed you off so much
Every single fucking one I used to post in before in become a fucking general. Every single one of these have become nothing but a repeat back and forth of the same things with the same people. Even fucking when there is new content out, nothing about them changes
What pisses me off the most about it is I'm one of the direct causes for a lot of these, because I'm one of the people who would alwaus start up a lot of inside jokes for the topics. These inside jokes would end up being constantly repeated and become one of the direct causes of the generals continued existence because newfags don't understand the concept of letting a fucking joke die
Of course I'm fucking biased. I'm upset I can't talk about things I love, because the generals are cesspools and horrible to get any real discussion or creativity and I can't make a thread outside of the general without either being redirected to the general or it being hijacked by the generalfags
>>377756
Another example of a good general are things like /tg/'s game system specific generals, which combine posts regarding that game's setting and mechanics into a single thread of experts on that system. You can still make all the Shadowrun threads you want, but its worthless to make an entire thread for every small mechanical question regarding a system.
>>377761
What are the things you love that you've been completely blocked from talking about?
>>377768
Like I'm fucking tell you, you'll just dodge the point to pick on my taste. But if you want one, I don't love it, but I quite enjoy fucking Madoka. I'm not interested in fucking tripfags erp
>>377765
That's another thing they can be good at. Instead of making a few different threads asking questions that will quickly die, they can take it to people how know what they're talking about. Its good for easily finding info.
>>377779
Google and lurking in their respective contexts do that job just fine.
>>376967
Speak for yourself.
>>377772
I've heard about the issue with the Madoka generals, and I don't even use /a/.
Now, here's the issue: the fact that there are a few terrible generals does not mean that generals as a whole are bad. What it means is that generals, just like all threads, need to be moderated for activity that wouldn't be allowed outside it.
For example, ERP or Roleplaying is explicitly banned, yet goes unchecked within the general. If that content is being allowed, then there's an issue with the moderation. And if its being missed through not being reported, then it begs the question as to how it got to that in the first place.
If they're not breaking the rules, though, then there's really nothing that can be done about them.
I myself like Transformers, but have to stay far away from /co/'s Transformers General due to it being a nest of tumblr users who lust after male robots. While I'd love to see them wiped off the board, most of the time they're not actually breaking the rules; they just have a different opinion than me.
The problem isn't with the entire notion of generals. There are generals on this site that work as intended; they're supposed to be miniature subboards for specific subtopics.
The problem is with a lack of enforcement of board rules within these threads encouraging bad behavior.
>>377782
You don't understand how niche topics work, do you?
>>377782
Not always,especially if what you want to talk about is something niche, or just want to talk about all about a genre/ thing in one place and not be spread out.
>/o/
>one word: alphonse
He's a ban-evading asswipe who shitposts non-stop. Just browse /o/ for half a day to get a vague idea of what he does. Hell, it's so bad now that literally half the catalog is flooded with threads related to him, all pretty much the same text copied and pasted. It's fucking ludicrous. Even if you can't permaban him, can you at least had more janitors on watch to delete his shit?
>>377793
Damn, I never hear anything about /o/, so much so that I forgot it existed. I sympathize with your plight and hop you get the attention you need.
>>377665
>that shit flinging at the end
>>377786
No anon, generals as a whole are terrible. What makes them terrible is that they go against the way the site is meant to be run and discourage creativity. As has already been said, they are a never changing sub-community. They never gain new people, but old people never change. The best way to describe them is 'comfy', which is the problem. Generals are less about the topic and more about who is in them and that is the natural evolution of them. You can only talk about something so much before you just start repeating yourself and almost all your conversations become 1:1 to the previous one. If you outright banned the off-topic posting, almost every general would die. It would be just better to either ban generals or restrict them heavily
People don't like them, not because of differing opinions or because of the people in them. They hate them because they bring nothing to the table and only stifle the creative a non-general can bring. You shouldn't be making a thread with 'xthread edition', it should be started with a question, a topic, clickbait, something that encourages discussion, debate or fuels people into a rage. That's the core different between a anon image board and a traditional forum. Forums run on a singular topic, while here you are supposed to have a ephemeral thread that starts with something that encourages discussion and creativity, alongside that, the topic shouldn't be restricted to one thing and it should be able to flow and constantly change.
Generals are bad because they don't make anything or create anything new, they encourage repeating the same thing over and over. Good generals are a exception to the rule and they are normally good because they either have so much content its hard to run out of it or the nature of the topic makes it incapable of running out of content. Even these, however, can fall into the shit as the others if they never gain new people and are always the same people
>>376920
>/o/
>No moderation unless mentioned on other boards
>Literally only 2 loose board rules.
>Endless shitposting and flooding by the cancer known as Alphonse
>The sticky is extremely outdated; it is advice you should take if you live in America in 2002.
>>377811
>>377811
Oh look, another shitcunt that doesn't know how to apply a post filter.
>>377811
check the catalog right now m8
>>377811
also the sticky was only just created 3-4 years ago and was updated 2 years ago
>>377815
You are retarded
>>377814
>>377811
> newfags don't know how to filter posts
>>377815
>Alphonse detected
/qa/:
>Newfags from Reddit treat it like /q/
>>377830
Here we fucking go again. Where the fuck do you expect anything to get done when it's the only place Hiro ever goes to and responds?
>>377825
>16 threads about /d/
>2 threads about /o/
?
>>377832
This is not /q/.
![BMW-M3-E30-DTM-Hessel-1987_01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lt3H8uX.jpg "BMW-M3-E30-DTM-Hessel-1987_01[1].jpg")
Looks like everything about /o/ has been said already
If that board has a team that doesn't appear to slack off for extended periods, leaving all the users to their own devices, it's going to be 10 times as enjoyable
>>377834
>the point
>your head
>>377837
This is not /q/..
>>377835
This.
Get the hundreds of mods off of /d/ and put them on /o/
This is /q/.
Your demands will not be met. This is not /q/.
If you want moderation, go to Reddit.
If you want your own niche interests, go to Reddit.
If you want to not be triggered, go to Reddit.
>>377844
>moderation
>niche interests
Except those are things this site is intended to have. gb2reddit, faggot.
>>377833
There is 3 anon, all made within a short span of time and a anon posting about it a lot in here. There is no need for this and its fucking retarded
>>377848
Just don't reply.
>>377848
This is not /q/.
>>377850
This is not /q/
>>377849
You ever consider it's multiple people who are extremely disgruntled about the issue?
>>377849
This is not /q/..
>>377834
This is /qa/. He asked you a question.
>>376920
/his/
>incredibly historically inaccurate military circlejerking caused by crossboarders from /vg/, /int/, & /tg/
>/pol/'s underage faggotry leaking
/lit/
>/mu/ & /tv/ cancerous elitism despite the fact that they dont read only collect /lit/ books to impress girls
/m/
>some shitposter false flagging and argueing with his own strawman sockpoppets in every Dynamic Pro/super robot thread
>spic needs a wordfilter
/news/ needs some more posters from anywhere but /pol/
Oh and generals have completely destroyed /toy/s board culture, which used to encourage high post quality. Now people only stick to one or two toylines and argue like -drones; thanks /v/ you cunts
>>377850
No just fucking report him
>>377873
Oh, and /lit/ had a problem with thinly veilded offtopic threads for years now, shit like "what is the X of literature" & music, politics, and television threads that dont even pretend to involve books
>>377856
Just don't respond.
There are two types of people on /qa/: people who want their home boards to get better, and people who feel threatened by the idea of anything changing on 4chan.
These are the people you see spamming every thread with some variation of "delete /qa/ its full of redditors," despite the fact that people asking for fixes are trying to better the actual boards they use, while the shitposters just sit back and bitch.
Report them for spamming if they get too worked up
>>377844
If this isn't /q/, and people aren't supposed to make suggestions here, why do the mods not delete all suggestions?
They started deleting all of Swaglord's /s4s/ shitposting was reported directly to hiro, but they left all of our threads.
If we are somehow off topic, why would they do this?
>>377897
YOUR DEMANDS HAVE BEEN MET CHECK THE GODDAMN CATALOG SON.
>>377873
>generals on /toy/
Don't remind me. The only general I'd tolerate is the plamo general, since it actually serves its purpose without doing anything stupid. The scale model thread can go fuck itself though, that one has no purpose at all.
Also, I feel /m/ doesn't really need a kamen rider general all that much. It implies that kamen rider stuff MUST be confined to it instead of being discussed on the board freely like everything else.
>>377856
If it was multiple people it wouldn't of all came within a incredibly short amount of time out of nowhere. It's obvious /o/ has a problem, but its also obvious its one person trying to make his voice heard by pretending its a large group of people complaining. It's no different to the /d/ and flag shit
>>377897
>why do the mods not delete all suggestions?
Because if they did that, the board would turn into a giant riot that the mods are evil nazis, something that the mods would have to then clean up after. And they can't delete the board because hiro is stupidly using this board instead of interacting with the actual communities of the site
>>377904
what are you babbling about you insane retard
>>377912
>And they can't delete the board because hiro is stupidly using this board instead of interacting with the actual communities of the site
So you're complaining because people are using the board the way it is intended.
Good. I'm glad we're both on the same page
>>377912
>if it was multiple people
>implying it isn't
I made a thread while missing the other two up, then I made one post in this thread mentioning the problem. Take into account these people posted when HALF THE BOARD was flooded with shit. Pretty sure that's gonna rile more than one person up.
>>377909
Thats why generals dont belong on slow boards. It just balkanizes everything and discourages OC threads and people discovering new toylines/shows to check out. Although /osrg/ on /tg/ works well as a refuge from cancerous WotC fanboys.
>>377914
/qa/ wasn't intended to be /q/, it was intended for a q&a for moot and it just become a meta board. Hiro shouldn't be here because he isn't going to learn anything about the site talking to incredibly small minoritys of the site on a meta board. You are asking him to fuck with and change established communities without him knowing anything about them or even interacting with them
>>377916
Anon, the simple fact of the matter is, going by how the board is currently running, its more logical to assume it was one person instead of multiple. It's clear I was wrong about it being a single person, but my assumption was the correct one to make
>>377921
>more logical to assume it was one person
Goddamn, your logic sucks ass.
>>377921
The simple fact is that you are desperately triggered by people who care about their boards.
Please fuck off back to [s4s] or /a/ or whichever shithole you crawled out of.
>>377927
I'm not upset by people who care about their boards. I just don't want Hiro to fucking fuck with my home board without even taking a fucking look at it because some retard on /qa/ told him thats its a good idea to do x
>>377921
>You are asking him to fuck with and change established communities without him knowing anything about them or even interacting with them
Considering the three major issues are currently
>undoing a mod decree from the last couple months
>removing something one board was given that the rest of the site doesn't have
And
>actually moderating a board or two
I think you're full of shit.
I'm almost certain you're a triggered weeb whose angry because somebody suggested banning anime somewhere or something.
>>377929
What's your home board?
>>377929
>I just don't want Hiro to fucking fuck with my home board without even taking a fucking look at it because some retard on /qa/ told him thats its a good idea to do x
>"let's remove any chance of anyone having their boards fixed because I'm afraid my hugbox might be disrupted"
You greedy faggot. Some of us have had our boards fucking wrecked within the last few months, and you want us to just let that go to save you an inconvenience? Go fuck yourself.
>>377930
You probably called it. All signs point to /a/. Self-righteous, self-absorbed, and a persecution complex
>>377934
>>"let's remove any chance of anyone having their boards fixed because I'm afraid my hugbox might be disrupted"
Are you possibly mentally retarded? I never said anything like that. I said that before Hiro fucks with some board, he atleast talks to it. Are you seriously saying that Hiro changing /asp/ from the opinion of someone on /sp/ is ok? Are you fucking telling me Hiro should just split a board without even communicating or asking that board their opinion and thoughts on the matter, because someone on another said so? Are you saying he should delete a board because someone on another board said so? Are you saying, I don't fucking know, Hiro should ban everything that isn't dickgirls on fucking /d/, because someone told him /d/ was made for dickgirls and as such nothing else belongs, on a board that isn't even /d/ without even opening /d/ himself.
This isn't about fucking greedy, its about fucking expecting Hiro to atleast make some fucking rational choices after actually interacting with people and the communities. I'm not fucking asking for much. I asking for Hiro to not fucking press shiny buttons in-front of him because someone really loud said so and to instead after discussing it, make a rational decision himfuckingself
>>377940
My concern is that the mods are manipulating him to make it seem like everything is fine and dandy
>>377940
>Are you possibly mentally retarded? I never said anything like that. I said that before Hiro fucks with some board, he atleast talks to it.
No, you absolutely are saying that. Very loudly.
If that's not what you mean you need to take a step back and read what you're actually posting, and try to sound a little bit less like a paranoid schizophrenic.
>Are you seriously saying that Hiro changing /asp/ from the opinion of someone on /sp/ is ok?
>Are you fucking telling me Hiro should just split a board without even communicating or asking that board their opinion and thoughts on the matter
>Are you saying he should delete a board because someone on another board said so? >Are you saying Hiro should ban everything that isn't dickgirls on fucking /d/, because someone told him /d/ was made for dickgirls and as such nothing else belongs?
Of fucking course not. When people request s board issue be addressed, Hiro actually looking at the board is a given.
What you're asking is Hiro for hiro to leave boards like /o/ or /d/ that are suffering from immediate issues to sit and rot for another six months to a year just because you're afraid he might hit a button on another board.
Of course there's always going to be "Delete /pol/" trolls and stuff, but that's just 4chan. If that is going to drive you crazy, then you need to seriously consider stepping away from dealing with board issues.
If people are actively arguing for something you don't agree with, then address their arguments and make sure both sides of the story are seen, instead of letting them make their case freely while you sit back and scream at clouds.
>>378162
No, I'm defiantly not
>When people request s board issue be addressed, Hiro actually looking at the board is a given.
Except, thats the problem. If Hiro was going to do something at the request of /qa/, he'll look at the said board, but he probably won't actually fucking talk to them. That's a clear fucking problem, doing something to another board, without even asking the board, off the advice of someone who probably doesn't even use said board
>What you're asking is Hiro for hiro to leave boards like /o/ or /d/ that are suffering from immediate issues to sit and rot for another six months to a year just because you're afraid he might hit a button on another board.
Look, that's not what I'm fucking saying. What I'm fucking saying is he shouldn't be talking to /qa/ and taking advice from here. I'm saying he should actually go to the other boards and talk and find out their problems, not a fucking meta board that has a userbase that spends most of its time screaming like monkeys. How is this so hard to understand?
I'm not asking for stagnation and him ignoring boards, I'm encouraging the exact fucking opposite, while you are encouraging him to fucking ignore boards. I want him off fucking /qa/ and actually on the boards of the site talking to them. Why would /qa/ know who to fix /v/, /d/ or /o/? It isn't fucking any of them. I want him to go to EVERY board and talk to them, not fucking /qa/.
I don't see how this is so hard to understand, I've be direct about it the entire time. I want the fucking chink to talk to the boards and site about what they want and what fixes they need, not fucking /qa/. /qa/ isn't the website, nor is it an actual community on the site. Its a fucking meta board thats mostly screaming shitposting since Hiro has came here. It's the worst place for him to go to get to know the site, its users, and what they fucking want
>>378169
Calm down.
>How is this so hard to understand?
Because you're so rabidly pissed off that you're not thinking straight.
>Except, thats the problem. If Hiro was going to do something at the request of /qa/, he'll look at the said board, but he probably won't actually fucking talk to them.
>Probably
Again, you're jumping at shadows.
>Look, that's not what I'm fucking saying. What I'm fucking saying is he shouldn't be talking to /qa/ and taking advice from here. I'm saying he should actually go to the other boards and talk and find out their problems, not a fucking meta board that has a userbase that spends most of its time screaming like monkeys.
We've seen how that works for years. Boards beyond /a/ that don't fit the immediate interests of the admin will sit and be ignored. There has to be a place for issues on those boards to be brought to the attention of the admin, because the feedback form does not work.
My board currently suffers from some serious mod abuse. If /qa/ did not exist, our board would be completely silenced, as any opinions that disagree with the mod is swiftly deleted. While it would be nice if we could all make a shitpost or two and call the admin to our side to let us post porn on a blur board like /a/, that's simply not the way the site has ever worked.
Everyone here wants Hiro to be more involved in the communities. You however seem convinced that a place for bringing issues to his attention is a secret cabal of people trying to kill your board.
Let me flat-out ask you: what board is it you're from that you're so scared of somehow getting changed? What are the issues that people are talking about that has you freaking out?
If you're /pol/ worried about /pol/ being deleted, then you can rest assured that /pol/ is probably no more likely to be deleted now than it ever has.
>>378169
You should stop replying to him. The guy either can't read properly or just doesn't want to back down because he made a mistake in interpreting what you said.
Not sure how he got that you wan't hiro to do nothing when all you asked was for him to basically go look at/discuss with the board any change in question is going to happen on.
>/r9k/
>rage against fembots
>females targetted by slurs
also
>/r9k/
>robot
>peope want robot9001 disabled
>>378192
Didn't people bitch and whine to get the robot enabled again? Or is it different group that wants it disabled?
>>378176
holy shit are you fucking butthurt
>>376920
>>the addition of flags to the board was a punitive measure by moot applied for personal reasons, and negatively affects communication on the board by introducing regional tribalism.
Literally it's just Pajeet who wants to remove flags because his country doesn't shit in toilets.
>implying tribalism is bad
Libtard detected.
>>378192
Why are women in /r9k/ in the first place?
>>378169
>. Its a fucking meta board thats mostly screaming shitposting since Hiro has came here. It's the worst place for him to go to get to know the site, its users, and what they fucking want
We are THE only sane voices left on here who tell the truth! Do you really think /v/ will speak up now? No because even if Hiro was to make a thread there, it would be derailed by shitposting within minutes. I want him to make threads on these boards believe me I do, but its so hard when shitposting is out of control and you can't complain about it because moot's mods/buddies will ban you for "spamming"
That's right, the mods view complaining about how badly the board is being run is considered spamming now, and apparently off topic threads are not
/v/ mods now deleting Santa Hat threads, one of the oldest traditions on /v/, all while leaving shit like this up >>>/v/320013168
This is getting out of control
>>376920
/wwe/s invasion and and the subsequent near death of /asp/ deserves a mention
They really need to go back to /sp/
>>378377
Yikes, somebody needs to take a nap :rolleyes:
>>378378
>>>/SomethingAwful/
Fuck off with your "lel ironic detachment" garbage
>>378378
fuck off /v/ mod
>>378372
Just make /wwe/ and move them all there. The fanbase is massive enough that it can sustain itself
>>378431
This isn't reddit, we can't just keep making boards for topics that fit in your board that you don't like.
>>378438
2ch did it, and Hiro owned that site. And stopped comparing it to fucking Reddit. Every time someone says new board faggots like you have to hop in and say "Oh no don't turn us into Reddit!"
>>378441
Reddit has billions of sub forums for different topics, it's a legitimate comparison. Stop being sensitive and think about what you're suggesting and its impacts on the future of the site. Japan and the West are different. Internet culture here is to the point where multiple topics on a site like this has the chance to speed up the introduction of undesirable new users. Maybe people wouldn't be so against you idiots if you wouldn't jerk off about a new board for every little topic you don't like seeing on your board.
I just feel at this point the mods really have taken over this site. They literally are the admins now, and they will continue to destroy this site because they hate this userbase so damn much.
Please see
>>378503
People are starting to give up, and I don't blame them
>>378619
>/a/ owned by fakku
What is this guy on about
>>378175
>Again, you're jumping at shadows.
I'm not. He did exactly that with /asp/, so its only natural to expect him to do it again.
Look, we seem to be on two different pages here. You seem to think /qa/ is a great place to learn about the website and its problems and I think its not
I might be able to agree with you IF Hiro had some sort of understanding of the site and its culture. But, he doesn't. He's no different to some random twelve year old admining the site. His knowledge and experience from 2ch means jack shit if he knows nothing of the site or its users. 4chan isn't 2ch and you can't treat it the same, as not just is the site different, its users are vastly different.
/qa/ is the worst place to learn anything about the site. Without that sort of knowledge, he has garbage insight, and the only thing he really can do is either randomly pressing buttons in things he thinks are good using his knowledge of 2ch or doing what he has so far and listen to whoever has the loudest voice. Both of these are bad and can cause massive negative effects on the site
I don't want Hiro off of /qa/ just because its mostly screaming monkeys who seem to know nothing about what they are talking about, I want him off it as well because he knows NOTHING about the site, except, 'le meme' and 'le haxor'. He is incapable of making actual GOOD decisions for the site, as he doesn't know anything about it. And I mean choices for 4CHAN not 2CH, I can't repeat this one enough, since everyone seems to overlook it
So far, moots silent approach to the site is 10x than Hiros listen to the loudest voice. We might of gotten a few good changes, but that luck will quickly run out and it'll all go down from there
You're telling me to cam down, but I think you should stop thinking of the short term and try thinking of the long term. In the short term, yea, a lot of this might help, but in the long term, the way hes doing things, everything will quickly come tumbling down
>>378628
Calm down.
>>378629
Nice n0 u
>>378628
>defending moot
>>378628
In a way I agree. The /aco/ board created the debacle with /d/, bringing back Robot9000 did absolutely nothing to fix the board, /awp/ is cancerous as fuck now, nobody uses /news/ since people just go to /pol/ for that. Only smart thing was /trash/, and the mods don't even use that for its intended purpose anymore.
Like it or not, /qa/ right now is the only sane voice left on this entire damn website. We know what's going on with the boards, we know how bad things have gotten, and only we seem to want real change. I'm sure others do to, but they don't come here enough like they should because this board is unlisted.
>>378636
*****/asp/
>>378653
But Hiro should have done more. He should have fixed the moderation problems and he hasn't. People are now legit thinking about leaving for good because of how bad these mods are
>>378636
If you try to point people here on other boards, many mods will ban you.
But yeah, all those things have been good ideas that were executed poorly. I think hiro thinks he can just push a button and the mods will sort out the rest, and we know they just try to make things worse.
/aco/ has been requested for years and would've been fine had the mods not tried to sabotage it (while extending their power on /d/), /his/ would have been fine without the mods forcing it to be /leftypol/, the /asp/ move for wrestling would have been fine if the same rules on /sp/ applied to them on /asp/, etc. There's just no follow-up there.
/news/ is the only thing that doesn't make sense. I have a feeling it was some mod's idea on a way to create a controllable /pol/ before they delete it again, since the mods are known to have it in for /pol/
>>378653
What the hell for? /news/ isn't a board you use. It's a board you read.
It's like the comments section on a shitty news website like MSN.
>>378636
>/qa/ right now is the only sane voice left on this entire damn website
Don't be stupid. The voices coming /qa/ are hardly 'sane' or rational. It no different to all the other boards, except, its in the form of a rabid mob screaming as loud as they can in hopes someone will listen to what they think is the only way to fix the site. You and me both are also included in that mob
>>378663
Not following you two's argument, but there is literally nowhere else to get any of this out there. Boards ban meta threads even if they aren't against the rules, and the feedback page is useless. Regardless of whether or not some of the voices are those of rabid chickens, not all are, and genuinely important issues have been brought up here.
>>378665
Any board that Hiro shows up at is temporarily allowed to have meta threads and the mods can't stop that
>>378669
Too bad this is the only place he ever regularly shows up in. That's why everybody is treating the place like /q/.
>>378660
>If you try to point people here on other boards, many mods will ban you.
That's what I don't get. Why do they want to ban people from doing that?
>>378628
My home board was /tg/. It was cut in half twice by moot and his posse.
The first time was when a mod decided to ban almost every thread, especially drawfags and such (who never came back.) The second time was when he banned all Quest threads from /a/ to /tg/, and forcing us to give them over half our board just because he wanted more space for /a/ threads.
Fuck you if you think moot's refusal to listen to users is better than hiro listening to suggestions.
>>378680
Then where is Hiro? We could really use his help right about now and he's nowhere to be found
>>378680
No fuck you for thinking Hiro is actually listening. Hiro would of done the exact same thing as moot, as hes not fucking listening to the users, hes listening to whoever has the loudest voice and pressing random buttons. He would of moved the quest threads there as well, except, he would of added quest to the boards name and made your situation 10x worse because then they can actually properly justify shitting up the entire board.
Not fucking doing anything and letting the user govern themselves is better than fucking pressing random buttons off the whim of 1 or 2 users and then fucking off. The only bad thing with the silent approach, is, moot failed to show up when he was meant to in his later years.
>>378698
We can't do shit because of these fucking mods though, and Hiro needs to understand just how bad the mods really are here
>>378698
Except the users CANT govern themselves because the stupid fucking mods are shitting up the place
>>376967
>/int/
No we don't
t. /int/
>global
>a mod named swaglord namefags and looks for attention globally. He also instigates raids on other boards. He is misusing his power and trying to build a cult of personality around himself. He needs to be removed from power
Hiro is AWOL
>>376920
>/int/
Delete all the porn threads, Kuckold threads, Political threads that are overtly /pol/ tier, non international b8 or /b/ tier threads
>Global
The site went down, yet again today. What's sad is Hiro clearly doesn't know how to fix problems like this
>People actually believe the problems of 4chan is only domestic
Let be honest: Yeah there are problems with mods, especially on /v/, yeah there are a lot of newfags thinking just because you are anon than you can post whatever the fuck you want and don't give a fuck about contribute about the subject of the board, but I think people on 4chan need to understand something: The problem is not only on 4chan.
What I'm trying to say?
Very simple:
Stuff has changed and 4chan just take the consequences of this change as a punch in the face.
-Anime and Manga industry are now full of otakus who just abuse of moeshits and fanservices.
-Video games are becoming "Books Where You are the Hero" so you can feel being the "hero" in an artificial way. Meanwhile, instead to reclaim good video games, "gamers" prefer to fight for stupid shits like fanservices, video game journalism, defending the interests of the Right-Wing, defending the niche position of video game and more, fighting in some fantard wars for defending corporations, but nothing to do with video game itself.
-Internet is not anymore the predilection place for geeks/nerds/whatever since the social medias like Facebook and Twitter are born. On this part don't get me wrong, it was not better before, but at least it was not the cancer that we know today.
At this point I can't continue because there are better persons than me to talk about the state of movies/TV shows, literature, Cartoon and comics, but still, the mean reason why 4chan is not anymore good is simply because stuff have changed and we can simply being punched by the consequences.
The main point of all this is hobbies are not anymore hobbies but ideologies and we can't change it anymore...
We should link this thread with
>>378503
>>379506
But we CAN make this place clean again if we get competent mods who will crack down on people obviously shitposting threads up and delete clearly off topic threads. I want a thread on /v/ to talk about a JRPG in peace, not have it invaded by Westakeks calling everyone pedos
>Global
>Yet again the site is acting up. Now its really hard to post with all these connection time outs. I'm telling you its the fucking malware ads that might be causing all of this to happen.
The site will improve ten-thousand-fold once mods mass ban anybody who ironically shitposts.
>>379774
But mods are retards. They simply aren't doing their fucking job.
Also Hiro seriously fix the fucking site. Connection issues all over the place
>>379506
>-Anime and Manga industry are now full of otakus who just abuse of moeshits and fanservices.
Disregard this retards opinion on this, he clearly lacks any understanding of the industry
>>379788
But he's right
>>379774
You'd be banned now freindo :^)
/o/ is still fucked
We need to ensure Hiro sees this shit. Keep finding legit complaints about the boards and the site and post them here
So hiro got rid of the cuck filter yet he won't come in here and acknowledge problems with moderation
>official
There's a huge number of people on 4chan who are convinced that any and all references to anime and otaku culture should go to /a/, which they think is a "containment board." Simply put, this behavior should be made a bannable offense, site-wide.
4chan was created for discussing anime and otaku culture, and it's a part of the site no matter what board you're on. Obvious off-topic threads and posts are one thing, but using anime reaction images, mentioning anime or making a reference to anime are just part of site culture. People complaining about that should be banned.
/a/: why isn't there a sticky explaining board etiquette and answering some common questions?
/g/: despite there being general threads for things like PC building and smartphones, redundant threads keep getting made and the moderators don't clean them up. /tech/ has infinite stickies for consumer advice and tech support which seems like a good idea.
/tv/: some /a/ and /co/ threads are allowed, but it's not been officially stated if they are within the rules and under what conditions. Sometimes half the thread is just autists spamming ">>>/a/."
>>379892
He's not. 99% of Westerners, even if they watch anime regularly, don't understand how things work in Japan. All these complaints about "moeshit" and "fanservice" and "otaku" are delusional nonsense.
>>381505
>/a/: why isn't there a sticky explaining board etiquette and answering some common questions?
/a/ doesn't want or need a sticky. The last time a mod tried to stick one on they all jumped on him. Lurk more is a key principle. For something like anime and manga, there does not need to be a sticky. For a place like /x/ however, a sticky is beneficial.
>>381511
Please explain to us how things work in Japan, almighty one
>>381505
>There's a huge number of people on 4chan who are convinced that any and all references to anime and otaku culture should go to /a/, which they think is a "containment board." Simply put, this behavior should be made a bannable offense, site-wide.
>muh 4chan is for anime meme
Fuck off weeb. 90% of the site hates your topic yet /a/ still harps on this.
>>381521
>anime reaction images everywhere
>anime has been a part of the culture of every board for years across several contexts
>the first board was anime/random
You must be new here.
>muh
>meme
Yeah, go fuck yourself all the way back to reddit.
>>380067
Seems like Hiro didn't know the mods were adding word filters in behind his back
>>381529
You seem to be lost, friend, so I'll redirect you.
>>>/a/ <--- click this link
It's full of people just like you, who post images just like yours! No one will ever hide your images, ignore your posts or call you mean names over there. I think you'll find that you'll fit in better than on any other part of 4Chan, which is not and has never been an animeme site!
Don't get angry and PLEASE CALM DOWN!
>>381712
You're trying too hard
>>381706
Holy shit. This is more proof that there's a mod coup going on.
>>381529
Nigger pls, this isnt 2006
Us normies kucked your nerd site from you a long time ago
/a/
- Generals and the lack of moderation in them:
Seeing lesbians roleplaying or blogging about their lesbian fantasies in yuri generals is not as hot as you think, go back to /lgbt/.
A literal tripfag chatroom in the case of Madoka threads.
Don't make me start about what's wrong with the generals of shounen series.
- Mods who allow and encourage reddit-tier behaviour.
Sure it's fun to have the whole board spammed by memes like Keitai and see the mods do nothing about it.
- Completely biased mods.
Troid and his yuri defense force made of janitors and other mods.
- And /a/'s biggest problem: lack of self-moderation.
>>381866
>Sure it's fun to have the whole board spammed by memes like Keitai and see the mods do nothing about it
This really isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. /a/'s moderation problems for the most part deal with what you are describing, but there's also the very real problem of no fun allowed and deleting threads that aren't about a specific anime but are about anime in general, are about something with regards to anime, or are creative and fun and still have to do with anime.
>>381866
/a/ is still the only board that's actually good enough to browse. Yeah it has its issues, but its a far cry away from saying they act like Redditors.
Troid though is a raging faggot. He needs to get his ass canned from the job.
>>381868
>or are creative and fun and still have to do with anime.
Mods didn't delete the Christmas card threads /a/ had up. They defended the loli fans by deleting and banning anyone who talked shit about loli's. /a/ actually likes their mods since they actually get rid of shitposting most of the time
>>376920
/vp/:
-Lack of consistent moderation in general
-Regular catalog raids by frogposters, antifurfag and porn posters
-Off-topic or /b/ tier threads routinely allowed to stay up
-Anyone who reports shitposts that routinely got deleted a year ago is now banned
-Long gap periods where no mods show up to delete shitposts
-Those gap periods mean shitposters can do whatever the fuck they want and spam/flood threads to their pleasing...porn dumps, "Amour is dead/no progress," frogposting, scat comics, furry porn, genwars, /pol/ rants, fake game leak threads, other garbage
-Mods finally return, delete like half or a third of the shitposting, ban whoever reported the other shitposting
-Shitposters come back once the mods do their daily checkin, rinse lather repeat
>>381877
>Mods didn't delete the Christmas card threads /a/ had up.
And yet mods on /v/ delete Christmas threads there.
And they wonder why we don't respect them.
>>381949
Because only moot could moderate /v/ properly. No other mod can do that
>>378314
IRC chats from the mods that got leaked that showed a clear lack of incompetents were deleted by mods in here. The mods are silencing anyone who exposes the truth
We have now gotten to the point where we need to come up with a way to communicate better with Hiro. This simply is not working
>>382056
I saw it. I'm scared at this point now nothing's going to get fixed and more and more people will leave here for good
