So an anon from /qa/ earlier came up with a great idea on how to possibly get more feedback from users from the other boards. The idea is very simple: Create a sticky on maybe one or two boards a day on here as a sort of "feedback thread". Here anons can post their questions, concerns, and complaints about the board to help give Hiro better ideas on how to improve 4chan and their current board. Leave the feedback thread up on those boards for maybe a few days, 3-4 should be enough, and then move on to the next boards.
However this will require a strict, explicit, and intelligent set of guidelines to enforce upon the moderation team. Hiro must lay down the law and let the mods know your word is law now.
Now of course shitposting might be a major issue, specially for boards such as /v/ and /tv/. Hence why Hiro might want to team up with a mod and have him or a janitor watch the thread and clean up any shitposts they see, leaving only legitimate complaints behind. Make bans public on anyone shitposting the thread as well.
This could very well be the best possible way now for Hiro to get in contact with us easier, and let the voices of other boards be known and heard so Hiro knows what's going on.
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>>375411
Time it to the 'airing of grievances' phase of Festivus and i'm on board.
>>375416
Just use the Festivus pole on every thread so people get the memo
>>375411
I don't want to come across as paranoid, but considering the behavior of some of our mods, can we trust them to leave what the board honestly thinks? I want to assume the best but there's still doubts.
>>375425
That is a main concern going into this i'm not gonna lie. Hiro first thing first needs to lay the law down with all of them like he did with nipplemod on /a/
I just wish Hiro post on anything right now
>>375411
This is a very good idea, and is the best thing for the site overall. This should be a transition period, and its a good time to clear the air of any pressing issues.
>>375425
A valid concern, but there are offsite archives like desustorage available to make sure valid posts don't get deleted.
The very fact that people don't trust the mods not to try to silence them, though, is a huge red flag that should be addressed.
>>375428
What worries me is that no mod has ever gotten the nipplemod treatment anywhere else
not even /tg/'s famous nazimod
>>375411
>However this will require a strict, explicit, and intelligent set of guidelines to enforce upon the moderation team.
No board is ever going to agree on a single one of these.
>>375616
Unanimously? Of course not.
>>375616
Most boards want mods who aren't nazi's.
>>375693
This. People get hung up on "more mods=more better," but people really just want mods to delete blatant trolling and shitposts.
There are a lot of threads that are mildly off topic but still fun and if the users are well-behaved, there shouldn't be an issue.
Like how /v/ had a thread for a bit where they found a big Brazilian video game forum and were looking at Brazilian's opinions on video games. It was fun and harmless, but quickly banned for "raiding."
>>375871
See thats the problem. While I get not raiding, that was far from raiding. But our hotpockets are more than happy to leave up SJW threads and e-celeb threads
>>375998
Exactly. Or, for another example, a porn thread was left up long enough to hit the archives, while video game girls threads are deleted on sight. Or the "deep sea" threads, which were about scary underwater areas in games.
There's a certain amount of fun, only mildly off-topic posts that encourage community on a board. If you try to encourage a board do be all serious business all the time you end up with a board like /tg/ during the nazimod era, where no fun is allowed.
When people complain about the mods, its easy to think that everyone just wants more bannings and more thread deletions, but that's a misrepresentation of what we're actually asking for.
We want smarter and more understanding mods, not stronger and meaner ones. Nazi moderation has never made any board better. All it does is drive legit users away and encourage shitposting and hostility.
>>376011
The mods are known to hate 4chan users. The leaked IRC logs proved that as much. My guess is they got sick of us complaining about them all the time in the past they just don't care anymore. But now with all the shitposting only getting worse and worse, its time something be done. /v/ is suffering because of the mods lack of care.
>>375871
Again, mods taking things too far or deleting and banning things that trigger them.
>>375998
That in itself is a major issue. People have been begging for months since Hiro took power to ban e-celeb threads on /v/. What we really need is like video game board for culture. That culture would include e-celebs, LOL comics, deep sea threads. Think of /vc/ as /v/, bur random and contained. /v/ can go back to having fun talking about video games again.
But I think most people would rather have a /v/ for Japanese Games and a /v/ for Western Games. The Weebs and Westakeks DO NOT get along. Westakeks constantly shitpost weeb threads up by calling everyone pedos and just derailing topics
>>376153
>/vc/
I suggested as much in another thread. I actually thing /v/ needs two new boards: /vc/ for culture, like you said, and /vi/ for industry chat (yes, including feminism shit.)
As for /va/ and Western /v/, its just a bad idea all around. It'll only result in more shitposting and board wars, and fighting over what is and isn't /va/. Look at the amount of shitposting the creation of /aco/ created on /co/ AND /d/
The problem with /v/ hating weeb threads is that it's really no different from /a/ shitposting in RBYW, Toonami, OPM, or Naruto threads. While I don't agree that weeb games should be banned from /v/, I do think that if the mods are going to allow /a/ to self-moderate then the same consideration should be given to every board.
>>376200
Something, anything needs to be done
>>376428
I agree. Every board needs something.
Most of all, the boards need the mods to listen to the users.
>>376431
2014-2015 have been the worst years of 4chan's entire existence. Shitposting has quadroupled since The Fappening and GamerGate happened. It's getting so bad now and the anger against the mods has only grown. These mods either need a serious put down by Hiro or they all need to be fired
>>375411
>Hence why Hiro might want to team up with a mod and have him or a janitor watch the thread and clean up any shitposts they see, leaving only legitimate complaints behind.
And of course, any posts criticising the mods for being incompetent or having a vendetta. Can't let Hiro see that people aren't happy with the moderation staff.
>>376479
He knows. He's very well aware people are pissed at the mods. He said before its very hard to find new, better mods. But we need those better mods NOW, because shitposting from /v/ is spreading into other boards now, and its only getting worse
>>376488
>He said before its very hard to find new, better mods.
Well he is not wrong.
>better mods
And any new mods will be shat on within a week and stop giving a shit within a month. Just look at how people are starting to turn on Hiro over the site going down recently, the malware redirect, making new boards and the /aco/ /d/ stuff.
Unfortunately, we will have to live with always having shit mods, be it new or old mods.
>>376513
We just want Hiro to keep them in line and for Hiro to talk to and communicate with us more
>>376153
>My guess is they got sick of us complaining about them all the time in the past they just don't care anymore.
>implying
What the most likely case is, they stopped caring for the same reason fucking anons did. Don't forget, mods are anons as well. As the boards got large amounts of new users, the users started to give less and less fucks and at the same time, the mods did as well for similar reasons. All up until the point of now, were, neither side really gives too much fucks about the board and shitposting is rampant
>>376520
Now people want change, and fast
>>376520
>neither side really gives too much fucks about the board and shitposting is rampant
Yet people still think firing the current mods and picking from this userpool is going to actually improve things.
All we are going to do is just replace the current set of mods who don't give a fuck with a new set of mods who don't give a fuck.
>>376526
So what do we possibly do?
>>376528
Get the users to start caring about the boards they are on? Some self moderation can go a long way if people actually followed it.
>>376530
But we need Hiro to step it up and tell people to knock it off. /v/ however does need massive intervention
>>376532
>But we need Hiro to step it up and tell people to knock it off
He doesn't even know how 4chan got fixed the other day. So don't expect much from him.
Only a miracle of the users coming together in some agreement on board policies can there be any improvements (and then actually enforcing it themselves).
Only thing I can think of comes close is maybe /a/ and how it basically kills recommendation threads.
>>376534
But even /a/ has its shitposting problems right now, look at this
>>>/a/134641670
>>376532
Hiro is a powerless mook. He isn't moot, no one is going to fucking listen to him if he says to do something. The root of all evil is the users. They are the reason for moots growing dislike and unenjoyment of the site, they are reason for the mods growing dislike, they are the reason for why the users hate the users and soon to come, they will be the reason for hiros dislike of the site.
As the other anon said, a little self-moderation can actually go a long way. 4chan is incredibly easy to manipulate and something as small as a few dozen dedicated users self-moderating something like /v/ could change the entire landscape of the board
>>376537
so how the fuck do we self moderate?
>>375411
I have some objections to this plan.
First of all this only would get data from people using the board at that time, which would discount a large amount of the users, and could easily end up showing trends that are not common in the overall userbase.
Furthermore I believe there is a decent amount of users who would like to change this site into something it was and is not. These users did not come to this site because of what it is, but for other reasons, and changing the site and boards to suit them would in my view be a mistake as it would alienate the original users of the board and destroy what the board historically stood for.
>>376541
Then it might be best to allow us to self moderate
>>376536
Holy shit the mods FINALLY stepped in and deleted it
>>376537
How would we chose the users though? Without them going mad with power?
>>376547
Are you fucking retarded? Why would you pick users to self-moderate? Fucking anyone can do it and thats the point. You only need a few users who actually give a fuck to go and self-moderate the board, and you'd soon have others picking it up and joining in
You don't pick people to do it, people who care about their board pick up the mantle and just do it, even if it gets them banned
>>376551
But how would it work then? Like how would a thread be deleted? By one "self-moderator" or a combined vote by them?
>>376557
Do you even know what self-moderation is? For the most part, its actually using the fucking report feature and sage bumping shitty threads that would stay up for hours until they reach bump limit and then bumping every other thread and then once its on page 10 replacing it with a on-topic good thread. This is simple shit
>>376560
moot got rid of sage though because he was a fucking idiot. and the report doenst' work because either its broken or the mods and jannies don't care enough to delete threads
>>376561
Moot only removed visible sage, moron. It would be nice if it was made visible again. And reporting does work, but, the mods aren't going to look at shit that only gets one or two user reporting it
>>376565
So then why bother self moderating? If no one is going to do it?
>>376565
Also the report feature is broken as fuck. The captcha is shit
>>376567
Because you are a stupid retard incapable of comprehending simple shit
The report feature has always replied on tons of people reporting something, not a single person. If 100 report something, the mods will probably look at it, if 5 people do, they will probably ignore it
>>376573
So then what do you propose then? Give me your brilliant idea to fix the shitposting situation. Really I want to hear yours like right now
I say add more janitors to the boards that need the most attention and help
>>376513
People are upset with Hiro because he's now doing what the mods do: going completely silent when there are real issues.
>>376526
You act like the biggest issue is that the mods don't care. Stop misrepresenting the issue.
The problem is that the mods have gotten comfortable and possessive of their positions, and misuse their power to try to steer the site in ways that the userbase don't want.
>>376777
Yet people kept telling him to stop doing shit before he actually gets to know the site. Seen plenty of people telling him to "lurk more" and I think that is what he is trying to do. Especially since everything he has done has been criticised here on /qa/.
>make /his/
People tell him he is retarded and has made /pol/2.0.
>make /aco/
People say he has fucked /d/.
>make /tash/
People shit on him for allowing fur.
>/move wrestling to /aco/
People say it is taking over the broad.
Can see why he isn't communicating ere right now.
>>376781
Those are two different groups.
There is a vocal minority here on /qa/ who tell him to "lurk most" and stop making changes because they want him to be like moot. Some people have gotten it into their head that any change is bad.
The rest of us just want him to actually follow up his big changes with necessary fixes. /aco/ was supposed to be a "trial board" yet the few negative issues with its creation were never addressed. Likewise, moving wrestling from /sp/ made them happy, but then /asp/ did not receive any improved rules or moderation stopping wrestling posters from spamming the board.
You're having a hard time wrapping your head around the fact that there are a lot of different people on 4chan with different voices.
>>376627
Stop replying to him. He has no solutions.
All he can say is "mods dindu nuttin"
>>376787
>There is a vocal minority here on /qa/ who tell him to "lurk most" and stop making changes because they want him to be like moot.
That is the problem though. He actually listens to them. He hasn't been seen posting in like 3 weeks now.
>>376787
>There is a vocal minority here on /qa/ who tell him to "lurk most" and stop making changes because they want him to be like moot.
That isn't the reason you fucking moron. Hiro knows fucking nothing about the site or all its culture. Getting him to do anything is like trying to get a newfag 12 yaer old to do it. The fucking site apparently had downtime and hiros response is 'lol the site went down but someone fixed it! i dont know who tho'. You want someone who fucking doesn't even know what hes doing to make rational choices?
People want Hiro to lurk, because he isn't able to judge whats a good decision and whats a bad decision for the site. It isn't much to ask for your admin to be able to make rational decisions. That 'vocal minority' wanting him to lurk give more shits about the site then the people demanding change right now. The admin himself is not free from the saying
>>376805
No you stupid nigger. The people who want Hiro to take moot's silent approach to the site don't give a shit about bettering it. They just want to preserve the status quo.
The people asking for changes are people who actually use the boards, and the users damn well care more about what 4chan needs than anybody else.
Things like /aco/ and /his/ have been requested for literal years. The only problem with both of those boards now is the fact that the mods and admin stopped listening to the users after creation.
>>376820
Fucking no one wants the stupid nigger taking the silent approach. People are using lurk moar fucking loosely here. They want him to stop fucking changing things. Instead of fucking around with the status quo, they want him to lurk the boards moar and actually fucking interact with the community. Hiro needs to fucking know us and we need to know him
The wwe /asp/ shit proves this. Instead of actually communicating with the communities, off the judgment of a single thread, off about 5 - 10 people, he decided to do something that has effectively destroyed an entire board and its culture and replaced it instead with shitposting
No one wants the current status quo, except shitposters. But its not fucking much to actually expect him to use his fucking chink head. All he is doing right now is pressing pretty buttons because someone with a loud voice told him its a good idea. He isn't putting much thought into it, he doesn't actually know what consequences his actions have nor does he know what effect they can have
Waiting a few fucking extra months isn't that long of a fucking wait, if those few months allow us to get real good change that isn't Hiro just listening to however is the loudest voice
>>376852
>they want him to lurk the boards moar and actually fucking interact with the community. Hiro needs to fucking know us and we need to know him
Okay, I agree with this. The problem is that when people say "lurk moar" it implies that they want him to "lurk," which is the opposite of interacting with the community. Obviously there's a semantics issue that's causing a bunch of problems.
The only problem with asking him to post around on the boards is that there's some boards he's going to always miss by simple lack of interest. I doubt he's even been to /asp/, and I know for a fact he'd never go to my home board
Moot himself used the boards, but only those that interested him personally. That's why many of the changes moot made benefitted nobody but /a/ or /jp/.
That's why I'm all for the board-specific q&a stickies suggested ITT. It makes sure hiro can interact with people on all the boards equally. Plus it puts a timeline on the addressing of board issues instead of leaving everyone frustrated and encouraging people to have to try and shout the loudest to get answers.
>Fucking no one wants the stupid nigger taking the silent approach.
I'm glad we can all agree that moot's approach was god-awful.
>>376877
Very little moot ever did benefited /jp/ other than creating and renaming it.
