Is "trickle down economics" some sort of US inside joke I dont get?
Or are Americans serious about it?
>>68285516
were serious, its called natural selection
>>68285516
>inside joke
I wish it was. What an absolute bastardization of laissez-faire economics. Corporatism at its finest.
>>68285516
>If we have a free market at the top, but not at the bottom, everything will work out great
The Reagan Era republican party is a fucking bunch of retards.
>>68285516
Hans just watch this my dude
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dF9V8POmuxg
>>68285516
Just another lie of the left.
Truth is supply economics worked.
Share of income earned is irrelevant since the economy is not a fixed pie, it is not zero-sum.
Just another case of shear economic illiteracy.
>>68285516
Tech trickles down, quality of life does, the actual dollars don't.
I still live better than my parents or theirs ever could.
>>68286753
You have to be retarded if you trully think that.
>>68285516
Most people who support those policies don't call it "Trickle Down Economics," and rarely understand the underlying concepts of the policies they espouse.
>trickle down
I see you have posted this meme term again that no one actually uses in the real world
Why do Americans believe that the rich owe the poor just because? If the rich had to give to all the poor, the incentive to get rich goes away and you have a bunch of people wanting handouts. Welfare should be very limited and minimum wage should have dynamic ceiling that fluctuates down as well as up. If you want to be able to afford something, work for it. This country is the pure form of degeneracy and laziness
>>68285516
>Is "trickle down economics" some sort of US inside joke I dont get?
"Trickle -down" was a term applied as an insult to supply side economics. It was not used by the supply side economists to apply to themselves.
>Or are Americans serious about it?
Even assuming the Keynesian business cycle, let alone NeoClassical or Austrian business cycles,
Y= C+I+G+(X-M)
where
Y= GDP
C=Consumer spending
I=Business investment,
G=Government spending
X=Exports
and
I=Imports
Corporations and the investment class are the largest employers, the largest exporters, and the largest investors, and the largest producers of goods and services. They carry GDP. It's reasonable to make the market favorable to them, the only argument is to what degree.
Only morons and pedagogues argue over TRRIKEL DOWN v. GOMMUNISM strawmen.
>>68285516
> do you have a job?
> is your employer's company listed on the stock exchange?
Congratulations. You have successfully benefitted from trickle down economics.
People with more wealth than you investing in a company that can then employ you. Your job exists because of their wealth and investment.
The greatest part is that you can use your knowledge, skills and networks gained through your employment to innovate in your industry and create your own business, so that you accumulate the wealth and can pay it forward by investing in others in the future.
>>68286753
>Supply-side economics worked
>We're currently deep into a boom-bust economy, sitting on another bubble right now
>no actual growth in years
>sudden realization from businesses that it's more profitable to build a company up for 5 years without any long-term goals than to actually build a company that stands the test of time (no need to actually worry about pensions and the like, easier to sell stock)
There's a big reason why our infrastructure is dying. A big part of it is that no company sees any reason to support infrastructure investment, or to do any of it themselves.
The problem is that supply-side economics functions off the theory that much more of the profits is re-invested than what actually happens. Most of it gets siphoned off into the accounts of the rich.
It works in theory. But the same way that Communism works in theory. When it's put into any real environment, it breaks down quickly.
>>68287284
>There's a big reason why our infrastructure is dying.
Government misbudgeting is the fault of the private sector? It's not their fault that the Left uses the treasury for transfer payments, the Right throws money at defense contractors, and everyone is afraid of raising the social security age.
>>68285516
Counter-Intelligence Operation.
Very hush, hush on Downing Street.
-
WWI & WWII, were the start and the achor of the new program in the Americas.
But operations for Great Britian started in the 1776 Revolutionary war much hidden by Charters of corporations at the time.
In each war the first discussion is about all debts being honored... especially in peace deals.
All Wars are Bankers Wars.
We are part of an Anglo Cartel/Alliance that is bases on international banking and a world reserve currency.
>>68288096
>Portugal, Spain, Netherlands or France ever having reserve currency status
>Reserve currencies existing in the 1400's, never mind through the 500 hundred years after
Fuc koff
>>68287968
Back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, a large part of what would eventually be our modern day infrastructure was built by private industry putting up money. There was a lot of "government matching" programs, where the government would put up half or more of a project's cost.
That just doesn't happen anymore. Mostly for the reasons I described above.
It's not profitable to build a long term business in America anymore.
>>68287232
t-thanks trickle down economics
>>68288378
Thank You Saipan.
Your links, charts, graphs, tables, and data are invaluable to our combined efforts!!
IT'S. NOT. FUCKING. A. REAL. THING.
>>68288378
Your Hong must be very Important, Saipan.
Perhaps soon you will lower yourself to teach 4chan?
>>68285516
Trump is going to get rid of the estate tax which affects only the top 0.3% and brings in much needed revenues.
These right wing retards are such morons. They love voting against their own self interest.
All that carnival barker has to do is hit a few key trigger words, "wall", "Muslims, "illegals" and he's got these retards hooked, line and sinker.
>>68288378
They honor is purely mine, Saipan.
Are you know ready to teach pol?
>>68285516
ITT:: 4chan Jew cucks explaining why the Jew needs to take more money from the workers.
>>68288378
Oh one question, Saipan.
Why are there fewer men employ in the USA since about 2000... while the population of worker is increasing by 200,000 people per month, Legal immigrants are coming at a annual rate of 1 Million people, and the Black Market workers coming across the border and living here are like almost a million a year... say half a million a year and 14 - 20 Million living here and working here??
Hm... Govt Stats show flat employment when you know the population is increasing very fast.
Saipan, you have the answer?
>>68290168
men of prime working years.
25 - 54 years old, a clear indicator of Economic Health, and horrific trend line.
This is horrific, Saipan.
Please share your plan and wisdom with 4chan.
>>68289451
Weekly and hourly earnings data from the Current Population Survey
Series Id: LEU0252881600
Series title: (unadj)- Constant (1982-84) dollar adjusted to CPI-U- Median usual weekly earnings, Employed full time, Wage and salary workers
Year Qtr1 Qtr2 Qtr3 Qtr4 Annual
1979 339 334 325 328 332
1980 324 314 315 317 318
1981 317 311 304 314 312
2012 337 335 329 336 335
2013 334 333 330 337 333
2014 339 328 332
2015 339
Constant Dollars, Weekly Earning same in 1979 as 2015.(BLS, Archive, Historical Wage Data)
Saipan, I need you!!
Saipan, 4chan is waiting for your wisdom and pronouncements!
What is the Answer, Saipan?
>>68290168
>Hm... Govt Stats show flat employment when you know the population is increasing very fast.
No it isn't. Population growth is the slowest in over 80 years.
Are you some kind of retard or something?
U.S. population growth slows to just 0.71%
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/30/census-state-population-estimates-growth/4248089/
The 25 to 54 employment level is DOWN because the 25 to 54 POPULATION is DOWN.
This isn't rocket science. Does anyone buy the crap you're peddling.
It seems like you're just here to mislead and misinform.
>>68285516
Die-hard conservacucks are 100% serious about it. Everyone else knows it's bullshit.
How is this any different from Keynesianism, where government gives money to the major contractors and construction firms in the hopes that some of it "trickles down" to the lowly employees.
Face it, right or left doesn't matter, either way the little guy is getting fucked over while politicians and the wealthy laugh all the way to the bank.
>>68290369
How mentally handicapped are you?
Could it be because the population of men aged 25 to 54 peaked in 2007.
Are you some kind of retard or something?
The 25 to 54 male employment level is DOWN because the 25 to 54 MALE POPULATION is DOWN.
This isn't rocket science. Does anyone buy the crap you're peddling?
It seems like you're just here to mislead and misinform.
>>68291168
They're just shills for Israel that's why.
>>68291443
This to be honest.
>>68291547
I don't think they're intelligent enough to be. Conservatives are just genetically hardwired to be assholes I think, so whatever policy sounds the cruelest and most vicious is the one they support because they think through some sort of magical osmosis this makes them strong. Liberals are the opposite and do whatever loopy pie-in-the-sky sounding thing feels nice, regardless of how retarded it is. The fact is, more than half of America is now receiving public benefits and is unemployed or underemployed and almost all of them are underpaid, so most of this country knows what's up, dumb hicks and the rich aside.
TL;DR: Conservashits are the ultimate edgelords and libtards are the ultimate cucks.
>>68287232
> do you have a job?
> is your employer's company listed on the stock exchange?
Implying these things didn't exist before 1980.
>Conservative education
>>68286289
explain pls
>posts a chart that clearly showcases the 1% incomes rising the fastest during Democratic President reigns
>>68292189
>>68291101
Source?
Immigration by the Numbers -- Off the Charts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ
You got nothing Anon!
Where are your Links, Charts, Graphs, Tables, Data?
We know Legal Immigration has been raised at least 3 times since the 1960s.
Care to Educate us, Anon?
- 250,000 Legal Immigrants in the 1960s
- Today unlimited open borders
- Estimates from 14 Million to 20 Million of Illegals Living in the USA
- I actually know something about Reciprocity and VISAs... US Citizens have requirement when they want to immigrate, yet liberals and RHINOs have no requirements it seems... while kids get more spoiled, more inexperienced, have no resume when applying for jobs... and no one defends the white kids who have no experience and little in wages to compete with inflation caused by unlimited credit in the USA
You knew right?
Inflation is on purpose based on central bank policy like QE, Interest Rates, liberal policies for private banking, and ... liberal credit policies of many kinds.
Yeah, you are a genius.
Film is by normal guy... I will look for links... but seems likely that 1 Million are allowed to immigrate to the USA each year (Asian, Latin American, or Middle East and African)
BTFO.
Obama wants more Africans and Middle Easterns to Immigrate.
>>68292385
Source? I used the exact same FRED charts that you did moron.
The 25 to 54 employment level is going down because the 25 to 54 population is going down.
You're asking me for a source? Look at the chart.
You're beyond retarded bro.
“Each day,10,000 baby boomers retire and begin receiving Medicare and Social Security benefits.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/07/24/do-10000-baby-boomers-retire-every-day/
Chicago Fed Finds 80,000 Jobs Will Steady U.S. Unemployment
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-06-06/chicago-fed-finds-80-000-jobs-enough-to-steady-u-s-unemployment
>>68292385
>Obama wants more Africans and Middle Easterns to Immigrate.
Is that why he REDUCED legal immigration?
You don't know anything about the baby boomer demographic do you?
>>68292343
I get that. he also started all this free trade nonsense and gave amnesty to illegals. I meant this part of your comment
"market at the top, but not at the bottom"
>>68292995
Oh that wasn't me who said that. I dunno. He'll have to explain.
>>68291101
The United States admitted more legal immigrants from 1991 to 2000, between ten to eleven million, than in any previous decade. In the most recent decade, the ten million legal immigrants that settled in the U.S. represent an annual growth of only about 0.3% as the U.S. population grew from 249 million to 281 million. By comparison, the highest previous decade was the 1900s, when 8.8 million people arrived, increasing the total U.S. population by one percent every year. Specifically, "nearly 15% of Americans were foreign-born in 1910, while in 1999, only about 10% were foreign-born."[65]
By 1970, immigrants accounted for 4.7 percent of the US population and rising to 6.2 percent in 1980, with an estimated 12.5 percent in 2009.[66] As of 2010, 25% of US residents under age 18 were first- or second-generation immigrants.[67] Eight percent of all babies born in the U.S. in 2008 belonged to illegal immigrant parents, according to a recent analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data by the Pew Hispanic Center.[68]
Legal immigration to the U.S. increased from 250,000 in the 1930s, to 2.5 million in the 1950s, to 4.5 million in the 1970s, and to 7.3 million in the 1980s, before resting at about 10 million in the 1990s.[69] Since 2000, legal immigrants to the United States number approximately 1,000,000 per year, of whom about 600,000 are Change of Status who already are in the U.S. Legal immigrants to the United States now are at their highest level ever, at just over 37,000,000 legal immigrants. Illegal immigration may be as high as 1,500,000 per year with a net of at least 700,000 illegal immigrants arriving every year.[70][71] Immigration led to a 57.4% increase in foreign born population from 1990 to 2000.[72]
** 1 Million Immigrants Annually is conservative when you look about both illegal and legal
>>68292995
The idea is you give the top loads of tax breaks and incentives to make jobs.
That happened at the top, but everyone who wasn't a corporation ended up with taxes and regulations all over the fucking place.
>>68285516
Trickle Down economics only works with protectionism, otherwise they just invest all their money into foreign ventures.
>>68286289
No, retards are the average cuckservative shmoes who bought that shit. The Republican Party got paid off handsomely for it.
>>68291514
>>68291101
You seem to be here trying to intimidate people.
But you don't demonstrate command of the Topics.
Perhaps you are some copy and paste employee... or work for political operative... or work for US Banking Interests... or work for Military industrial complex.
I don't see you trying to teach.
Why are you here if you don't spread as much knowledge as you know? Why are you here if you don't lay down references for others to check, links, names of authorities, charts, graphs, names of organizations.
You are like a Ghost.
You have no allegiance, no allies, no activists, no protests really... you are just some guy criticizing everyone else.
If you just criticize, you don't teach or convince.
Reform your ways.
Mods. This is a shill. He makes no effort to teach.
Immigration by the Numbers -- Off the Charts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ
It's called the free market, and it is the only economic system that works.
Leftists love to use ridicule to score political points, because they cannot use economic history.
>>68292705
You cover squat shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ
What about Black Market Worker?
What about Legal Immigration?
>>68292965
This one?
-
The United States admitted more legal immigrants from 1991 to 2000, between ten to eleven million, than in any previous decade. In the most recent decade, the ten million legal immigrants that settled in the U.S. represent an annual growth of only about 0.3% as the U.S. population grew from 249 million to 281 million. By comparison, the highest previous decade was the 1900s, when 8.8 million people arrived, increasing the total U.S. population by one percent every year. Specifically, "nearly 15% of Americans were foreign-born in 1910, while in 1999, only about 10% were foreign-born."[65]
By 1970, immigrants accounted for 4.7 percent of the US population and rising to 6.2 percent in 1980, with an estimated 12.5 percent in 2009.[66] As of 2010, 25% of US residents under age 18 were first- or second-generation immigrants.[67] Eight percent of all babies born in the U.S. in 2008 belonged to illegal immigrant parents, according to a recent analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data by the Pew Hispanic Center.[68]
Legal immigration to the U.S. increased from 250,000 in the 1930s, to 2.5 million in the 1950s, to 4.5 million in the 1970s, and to 7.3 million in the 1980s, before resting at about 10 million in the 1990s.[69] Since 2000, legal immigrants to the United States number approximately 1,000,000 per year, of whom about 600,000 are Change of Status who already are in the U.S. Legal immigrants to the United States now are at their highest level ever, at just over 37,000,000 legal immigrants. Illegal immigration may be as high as 1,500,000 per year with a net of at least 700,000 illegal immigrants arriving every year.[70][71] Immigration led to a 57.4% increase in foreign born population from 1990 to 2000.[72]
regressive income tax on individuals is pretty retarded but you know what's ACTUALLY retarded?
taxing corporate income AT ALL, even though owners pay income tax on all dividends. Good luck moving from a 5-table corner cafe to an 18-table diner when you have to pay 25%+ of your company's savings each year, and THEN pay another 25% on whatever you take out to live on
how about payroll tax? You're literally taxed to employ people. Businesses are taxed to pay people. YOU HAVE TO PAY THE GOVERNMENT MONEY IN ORDER TO PAY OTHER PEOPLE MONEY. And then they pay income tax on what you pay them after
There's a huge fucking difference between a regressive tax policy and just being plain retarded enough to legislate companies out of growth
>>68288096
Why the fuck would anyone need "reserve currency" during the times when silver and gold coins were used as currency? It's the same damn silver and gold no matter who makes it. "Reserve currency" only applies when everyone is using fiat money.
>>68285516
Yeah you don't get it.
Literally no economist believes trickle down economy is a thing, the left likes to claim that free-market economist claim that, but they actually never do. Because its a retarded concept.
>>68294131
What are you talking about. You're completely lying. The guy put up charts of employment level 25 to 54 asking why it was declining since 2007.
So I put up charts of popuation level 25 to 54 and showed that it was a matching decline.
How the hell is that copy and pasting?
You're completely lying. Please admit you're being dishonest.
I had to actually research and retrieve those charts myself.
>You have no allegiance, no allies, no activists, no protests really... you are just some guy criticizing everyone else.
You sound like a crybaby man.
Man up. Don't be so beta.
You wanna talk about copy and pasting?
This is blatantly obvious copy and pasting.
>>68293484
>>68292385
>>68290910
You're just mad because I proved you wrong.
You asked
>Why are there fewer men employ in the USA since about 2000.
I educated you why. Because the 25 to 54 population declined. You should be thankful. I taught you something.
Are you upset because I proved you wrong and made you look foolish?
>>68294287
I showed you that the 25 to 54 population peaked in 2007 and is declining.
>>68291101
>>68291514
That's why the 25 to 54 employment level is going down.
What are you crying about?
Because I called you out on your attempt to mislead?
>>68294131
>Mods. This is a shill. He makes no effort to teach.
Except that I just taught you.
You're the shill trying to mislead people.
>>68285516
It's the end result of monetarism/neoliberalism.
Keynesianism is quite clearly the answer, as evidence by the incredible growth of Keynesian states from 1945-1980, but the rich who hated it because the working class saw their incomes rise faster have done a great job convincing people over the last 35 years that tax cuts for millionaires and corporations benefit them.
>>68285516
Trickle down economics doesn't exist outside of leftist strawman
>>68287076
Says Argentina, white and peronist. What a example of economic success.
>>68295778
Trickle down economics is actually called voodoo economics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8hnM6xNjeU
>>68294886
>>68289277
>>68287129
>>68286753
>>68285516
>>68292965
Look, I'm working on this thing about Baby Boomer Trends.
But I see $62 Trillion in Total US Debt, and $19 Trillion in Federal Govt Debt... looks like this will not be repaid and interest rates for savings on retirements, pensions, and saving accounts will go to ZIRP or NIRP. Massive break down of US Banking Theory, Banking Conservative Values, Business Conservative Values.
and on and on.
Mean while they plan for Inflation, bubbles in housing, bubbles in auto sales, bubbles in credit, bubbles in debt, bubbles in debt slavery, and control over the people.
You may like high priced parking if you have a good job... you may not mind high property taxes increasing each year... higher banking and usury fees and interst rates on credit or loans or even to keep money in the banks.
Inflation is not your friend. Deflation might be.
Cost control over corproate overhead might be possible. And we could keep down the high cost of sports players the same way.
Admin Costs, Over head costs,... just as we control charity costs for overhead through federal programs like CFC... we can control the Wounded Warrior Program and our Corporate Executives from wasting our investments, dividends, and inflating our costs to see ball games or park downtown.
cafr1.com
Auditing is a start.
Controlling costs of private corporations, charities, and sports teams is the next step.
Heard of Combined Federal Campaign?
Let me explain it in a way you understand:
>the top 5% of Reddit users get 85% of the comment up boats
>those who reply to those comments get some up boats as well since it's a popularity contest
Just imagine all the up boats the rest of the users wouldn't get without a comment chain started by those 5%
>>68291859
>TL;DR: Conservashits are the ultimate edgelords and libtards are the ultimate cucks.
best description I've heard in a while tbch famalamlam
>>68285516
Liberals think everything has to be a government system. So when someone says that rich people have a positive financial effects on their communities leftists run off with that thinking he's talking about a system of wealth redistribution.
Liberal retards literally think the government holds all money, gives it to rich people while expecting them to redistribute it.
>>68287167
Small and medium companies are the bulk employers
>>68292343
Military spending occurred during that time period, but it was not a necessary part of what people know as "Reaganomics".
It had more to do with the fact that the US was pulling the NATO wagon, while cuck countries like you didn't do shit to stop the Sino-Slavic advance.
>>68292965
>Is that why he REDUCED legal immigration?
Nice Source pundit?
He wants huge numbers of disgruntled Syrians, Libyans, Iraqis to ... what? come here and experience culture shock according to a CIA/NSC plan?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCCI_Bank (just used for an era) Funding to criminals and dictators, BCCI handled money for Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, Hussain Mohammad Ershad and Samuel Doe.[9] Other account holders included Medellin Cartel and Abu Nidal.[10]
CIA funding to the Afghan Mujaheddin and the Contras
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Permanent_Select_Committee_on_Intelligence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_President%27s_Commission_on_CIA_activities_within_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Jewels_%28Central_Intelligence_Agency%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedzi_Committee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_denial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes%E2%80%93Ryan_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes-Ryan_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Assistance_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boland_Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_Oversight_Act
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Assistance_Act_of_1974
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case%E2%80%93Church_Amendment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Spitz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Factory
>>68291101
>Are you some kind of retard or something?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Permanent_Select_Commi...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_President%27s_Commission_on_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Jewels_%28Central_Intelligence_Agen...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedzi_Committee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_denial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Factory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCCI_Bank (just used for an era) Funding to criminals and dictators, BCCI handled money for Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, Hussain Mohammad Ershad and Samuel Doe.[9] Other account holders included Medellin Cartel and Abu Nidal.[10]
CIA funding to the Afghan Mujahideen and the Contras
I took to long to post correction to list of links.
Above links were for different purpose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf (German Stay behind for after WWII)
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/16/world/evolution-in-europe-italy-discloses-its-web-of-cold-war-guerrillas.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniele_Ganser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_Units
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/ops/gladio.htm
http://operation-gladio.net/stay-behind-country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODESSA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(history)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Anna%27s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Spinne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uki_Go%C3%B1i (Documenting)
>>68291443
Keinisianism states that in times of crysis, the state should use the surplus it accumulated to boost the economy, either by public work or something else. I don't think it states that the money should go to major contractors
>>68296222
>Trickle down economics is actually called voodoo economics
Again no matter you call it it doesn't exist outside of a strawman
>>68297128
>>68297433
Are you feeling alright? I think you need to calm down.
I can't believe you had the nerve to complain about copy pasta. Look at you.
You're just mad that I proved you wrong and now you're embarrassing yourself.
Obama reduced annual legal immigration from over 1.1 million to 990,000. Deal with it.
>>68291101
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#2000_Parliamentary_report:_a_.22strategy_of_tension.22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay-behind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bund_Deutscher_Jugend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_stay-behind_network
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_%28history%29#ODESSA_and_the_Gehlen_Org
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bloodstone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny#Die_Spinne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEDADE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin_Group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordine_Nuovo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2_lodge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Greek_coup_d'état
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Raider/Paratrooper_Brigade_(Greece)#LOK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Agee
http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/ar/t1320.htm
http://operation-gladio.net/stay-behind-in-greece
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montejurra_Incidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Vinciguerra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Massacre_of_Atocha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Narcís Serra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Resistance_Organisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Guerrilla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Özel_Harp_Dairesi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projekt-26
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_Cache_Case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Force_Surveillance_Units
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Santer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._intelligence_involvement_with_German_and_Japanese_war_criminals_after_World_War_II
>>68285516
>>68285516
>Is "trickle down economics" some sort of US inside joke I dont get?
Close, it's actually a left-wing strawman.
Referring to your graph, the changes in share of income over the last few decades is due to outsourcing and increased market regulation, both of which are responsible for our shrinking middle class.
>>68297615
It exists and it's a failure. That's why conservatives support it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
>>68298001
>>68285516
come into the new millenium cuck.
we don't spend our days talking about trickle down economics. you're 30 years too late faggot.
>>68296452
If you are actually serious, consider killing yourself
>>68292096
i know it existed in the 1890s
>>68297711
>Obama reduced annual legal immigration from over 1.1 million to 990,000. Deal with it.
I'm kinda distracted.
But,... sounds like 1 Million doesn't it?
WTF?
Sorry haven't kept up with the posts.
I copy my own work, but everyone captures graphs, charts, tables from everyone else.
Also I captured the table from BLS on constant dollar wages from workers from 1979 to 2015 which are ... the same $339 per week today.
You seem to lack empathy for worker rights, the right to a fair wage, the right to compensation and things like pensions and retirement... well maybe you will lose your social security someday.
I would suggest that you work to increase the contribution from wealthy people who add zero to our country's social security funds/trust/balance/account.
Wealthy people don't like to contribute a little to the country while drawing all the money out of the poor and middle class... it is pretty disgusting.
Sick, really.
If you have a business in the USA we should determine more of the owners, employees, executives, board of directors that should pay into the US Social Security Fund....
Yes? I'm sure you agree as a True Patriot, Sir!!
>>68298916
I agree with you, but the way you type is really unusual. Is everything alright or are you just excited?
>>68295583
So dude...
What did you teach me.
That facts presented by politicians are narrow?
Yes, lets narrow the facts down to legal citizens who are employed!
Then let's avoid all talk about Immigration Population Increases, and Black Market Labor, and Illegal Consumption and Employment!
Well, you sound like govt statistics.
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowstats.com
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/shocking-jolts-for-janet/
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/heres-why-you-should-be-very-worried-about-these-bullish-claims/
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/tone-deaf-c-suite-continue-to-ignore-warnings-in-job-hoarding-bubble/
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http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/inflation-headlines-vs-reality-reveals-outright-government-fraud/
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http://www.chapwoodindex.com/
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSnMKWlNLj9a+1d8+MKW20150212
http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/what-obama-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about-u-s-unemployment/
http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_303.htm
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/CE16OV
>>68144260
>>67930123
>>68153395
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-94031000-americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-stuck-38-year
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNU05000000 (Not in Labor Force)
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/civpart (CIVILIAN PARTICIPATION RATE)
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/social-security-administration-beneficiaries-top-60000000
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/iip_glance.htm ($31 Trillion in Foreign Ownership in Property in the US compared to $25 Trillion of US Ownership in foreign countries)
But trickle-down economics doesn't just exist in the form of money being put into the pockets of poorfags, it's the improvement of the services and general environment of a country.
Pic related is the way poor people can benefit from the activities of the rich - by having a clean, safe, majestically designed environment to live in with top of the line infrastructure, services, public facilities like nice parks and public squares, and institutions.
Not everything of benefit in your livelihood is about having £750 extra a year redistributed to you from the rich so you can buy a HD TV while you live in a shitty, bland environment that looks ugly, is unsafe and has degraded public facilities because no one wants to invest in your city/town/area due to huge massive tax.
>>68285516
It really isn't a question as to whether trickle down economics is a system that can be established or helped.
The real question is... has it ever been any other way, and is there a way it COULD be any other way?
Remember... it always comes down to who has the money first. There will be always be rich people, and they will always have the money.
So here's how it works...
1. Super rich guy goes to the strip club.
2. He spends $500 for a bottle of champagne that isn't any better than a $50 bottle, because he has the money to blow and because he's trying to impress the hot 'dancer'
3. He then pays the hot chick $200 for a quick blow in the "VIP room"
4. He also pays the bouncer $300 for $100 worth of cocaine because it's convenient.
5. His night over, he wakes up the next morning and goes to his wall street job.
Meanwhile...
6. The strip club owner can now hire more dancers, boosting the economy.
7. The dancer can pay the babysitter for watching the kid while she's at work.
8. The bouncer can buy new rims for his car, passing the money on to the tire store.
Since the rich always have the money (and always will) "trickle down" is simply an economic term to describe how the rich play.
>>68294924
>Inflation is not your friend. Deflation might be.
>Cost control over corproate overhead might be possible. And we could keep down the high cost of sports players the same way.
>Admin Costs, Over head costs,... just as we control charity costs for overhead through federal programs like CFC... we can control the Wounded Warrior Program and our Corporate Executives from wasting our investments, dividends, and inflating our costs to see ball games or park downtown.
>cafr1.com
>Auditing is a start.
>Controlling costs of private corporations, charities, and sports teams is the next step.
>Heard of Combined Federal Campaign?
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You like the system with built in inflation to drive out freedom in the USA, Liberty in the USA.
Wow.
WTF.
You answer little to the questions and queries.
You like to think we are little people.
We know you are paid MIC employees.
I guess it equals out. You so little human sympathy... and we with so much power.
>>68296782
Not after Obamacare they aren't
>>68300264
>>68299767
Why are you so upset?
>>68298122
>There is no "trickle down" economics as defined by economists; the term is almost exclusively used by critics of policies with other established names.
Also this is a good, short read:
http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf
>>68285516
It's a meme phrase used by leftist against any honest discussion about economics because they are economically illiterate.
http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf
>>68297711
Anti-Trust Law:
A trust was an arrangement by which stockholders in several companies transferred their shares to a single set of trustees. In exchange, the stockholders received a certificate entitling them to a specified share of the consolidated earnings of the jointly managed companies. The trusts came to dominate a number of major industries, destroying competition. For example, on January 2, 1882, the Standard Oil Trust was formed. Attorney Samuel Dodd of Standard Oil first had the idea of a trust. A board of trustees was set up, and all the Standard properties were placed in its hands. Every stockholder received 20 trust certificates for each share of Standard Oil stock. All the profits of the component companies were sent to the nine trustees, who determined the dividends. The nine trustees elected the directors and officers of all the component companies. This allowed the Standard Oil to function as a monopoly since the nine trustees ran all the component companies.
The Sherman Act authorized the Federal Government to institute proceedings against trusts in order to dissolve them. Any combination “in the form of trust or otherwise that was in restraint of trade or commerce among the several states, or with foreign nations” was declared illegal.
>>68285516
It's a bullshit idea that subsiding the wealthy will cause their spending to "trickle" to the plebs.
It's retarded and keynesian.
>>68285516
Trickle down economics doesn't exist. It's a made-up term developed by Liberals to smear any economic move that isn't raising tactics.
>>68301071
I think this bot program is malfunctioning.
>>68300264
>>68299767
>>68298916
>>68298001
>>68297433
>>68297128
>>68296384
Please check your programming.
>>68285516
There's no such thing as trickle down economics. It's a straw man.
>>68300729
Oh look the Canadian-"American" who always shit posts about Republicans on every economic thread with the exact same images but when rebuked starts to taunt others. It's getting easy too find you on /pol/ you might as well be a name fag.
Just ignore the idiot.
>>68285516
It's the retarded idea of "good intervention". State capitalism 'n shit
>>68289319
I've always wondered, what exactly is "productivity" and how is it measured?
>>68301517
>but when rebuked starts to taunt others.
This has never happened once. I have never been rebuked. I post only facts and back them up.
>>68300729
Not an Argument.
>>68299207
>>68298187
>>68297711
>I had to actually research and retrieve those charts myself.
Wow anon, you mean you are not positional, you do provide links and charts and even explanations?
I had no idea!
Nice population chart for 25 - 54.
Civilian Noninstitutional Population - 25 to 54 years,
2016-02: 125,570 Thousands of Persons,
Monthly, Not Seasonally Adjusted, LNU00000060, Updated: 2016-03-04 8:28 AM
Your chart says... 56 MIllion people, but above is 125 Million people?
>>68294924
Yeah it is flat population growth from 2007.
But what the fuck did you post, Idiot?
>>68291514
Civilian Noninstitutional Population - 25 to 54 years
2016-02: 125,570 Thousands of Persons (+ see more)
Monthly, Not Seasonally Adjusted, LNU00000060, Updated: 2016-03-04 8:28 AM>>68290369
Ain't you like half of the Data?
No common sense test before posting?
my old data from last year:
115.6 million = Total Households
2.63 people per Household
74.3 Million people under 18 years old
244.7 Million people over 18 years old
99.4 Million people under 25 years old
219.6 Million people over 25 years old
319 Million = Total Population (FRED)
245 Million = Total Population over 16 years old (BLS)
147 Million = Total Employed (FRED & BLS)
92 Million = Total Not in Labor Force (FRED)
98 Million = Total Not in Labor Force (BLS over 16)
Yeah, I would say you haven't done the work.
125 people as population 25 -54 years of age makes more sense.
Sorry man.
I knew you were excited.
>>68302801
Have you completely lost your mind?
What is the matter with you?
You posted a chart of total employment level aged 25 to 54 and asked
>Why are there fewer men employ in the USA since about 2000
You also said:
>Hm... Govt Stats show flat employment when you know the population is increasing very fast.
>>68290168
So I replied with a chart of total population aged 25 to 54 and it showed the same decline.
>>68291101
You got completely BTFO and then you went on an insane lunatic rant.
>>68301351
Now you're asking:
>But what the fuck did you post, Idiot?
This:
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LFAC25TTUSA647S
>>Yeah it is flat population growth from 2007.
So why dud you say it was increasing very fast?
>Hm... Govt Stats show flat employment when you know the population is increasing very fast.
Why not just admit you were wrong and be done with it?
I've already educated you. What else do you want?
Chicago Fed Finds 80,000 Jobs Will Steady U.S. Unemployment
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-06-06/chicago-fed-finds-80-000-jobs-enough-to-steady-u-s-unemployment
Whatever meds your doctor prescribed, please get on them.
If you're concerned there aren't enough males in the labor force, perhaps you're part of the problem.
>>68285516
We all hate it.
>>68289381
He's also going to get rid of a bunch of tax loopholes for companies, so it'll even out if not tip back a bit, as well as get MORE FUCKING JOBS so we can earn better pay.
>>68301863
Guy did an article.
Joe Sixpack on Productivity on Economic Intersect.com or something like that. Maybe 2 years ago or 4 years ago.
Gist was that there are a lot of things that make it very hard for a normal guy to look at data and ready understand US Productivity data with new stuff like globalism, economic tax free zones or financial zones, special permissions for foreigners to assemble within country...
I don't know what else.
First look at National Productivity is full of errors.
Word search joe six pack productivity
>>68285516
It's been proven numerous times to only benefit the rich.
/pol/ will likely defend it.
>>68286753
The model breaks down in the "investing capital" part.
Companies invest in immigrants, overseas and in H1B visas. They don't invest domestically. That's why wages have been falling while profits have never been higher. There is no "trickle down" effect.
>>68304453
More jobs than Obama?
Not a fucking chance.
You dream.
>>68287162
Because the rich are the ones pushing for immigration and H1B visa laws. They're responsible for the current economic condition.
If all the rich left, we'd actually enter an economic boom of activity, as newer companies would invest quickly in replacing the leaver.
All markets are limited, and by having these older companies investing in overseas and immigrants stick around, they're preventing potential domestic investments from competitors looking to take their place.
>>68304837
>This
Trumptards and Jew cucks BTFO
>>68287167
>They carry GDP
But is GDP really the metric we should be looking at?
>>68304255
But your chart shows only 56 Million Population aged 25 - 54 years of age.
There are 125 Million aged 25 - 54 years population.
115.6 million = Total Households
2.63 people per Household
74.3 Million people under 18 years old
244.7 Million people over 18 years old
99.4 Million people under 25 years old
219.6 Million people over 25 years old
319 Million = Total Population (FRED)
245 Million = Total Population over 16 years old (BLS)
147 Million = Total Employed (FRED & BLS)
92 Million = Total Not in Labor Force (FRED)
98 Million = Total Not in Labor Force (BLS over 16)
Civilian Noninstitutional Population - 25 to 54 years
2016-02: 125,570 Thousands of Persons (+ see more)
Monthly, Not Seasonally Adjusted, LNU00000060, Updated: 2016-03-04 8:28 AM
>>68302801
and my original chart is found here with declining men and population aged 25 - 54 years...
and dude...
We all know there is a population crisis!
You heard of Eugenics?
Perhaps you heard there was Billions in China?
Does this ring a bell?
>>68305204
>But your chart shows only 56 Million Population aged 25 - 54 years of age.
There are 125 Million aged 25 - 54 years population.
If you bothered to breathe and calm down for a moment. You would see that right after your 1st chart, you posted a 2nd chart of just MALE employment level 25 to 54.
>>68290369
Do you remember?
So I replied to that with:
MALE population level 25 to 54
>>68291514
Are we clear now.
Have I sufficiently educated you for today?
Will you have fresh talking points for me to debunk tomorrow?
>>68305170
They are the biggest proportional producers, investors, and employers, if you want those metrics.
>>68285516
>Or are Americans serious about it?
only retards and the deluded. Most people supported it because they really (stupidly) believe that the reason they don't have money is the government is taking it and giving it to blacks.
The fact that they're getting fucked ever harder is both karma and the reason why trump is a thing.
>>68305921
So we should fuck over the bottom 99% just so we can flap our dicks around the international table and say our rich are wealthier than their rich?
I guarantee you, those threats from business owners saying that they'll leave the country are empty threats. It would actually reinvigorate our economy if all the old-players investing in immigrants and overseas were forcefully removed so that smaller players looking to expand go on a domestic capital spending spree.
The old players presence makes it difficult for smaller potential pro-domestic companies to compete, as old players are sucking up the market share.
>>68306488
>So we should fuck over the bottom 99%
The Republican Party platform since 1980.
>>68305554
>125,570 population (25 -24 aged)
>97,380 employed 2016 (25 -24 aged)
back to
> 125,396 Population (25 -24 aged) Jan 2008
>101,083 Employed (25 -24 aged) Nov 2007
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Population of this age appears flat.
However, Saipan, ... workers have declined
Would appear to be like 3-4 percent without any argument from you or anyone else.
So for the Magazine that gave Trump 4 Pinocchio... I would say politifact is full of shit and does not educate us at all, in any way, at any time, and in no fashion.
Am I harsh?
Perhaps. But I have lots of grievances with the MSM, talking Heads, and US Congress.
I give no mercy to them or thank them for making us so dumb. We are a dumb nation and it is corporatism that does this to us. It is systemic. It is growing. It is not educating or explaining, but instead it makes more complicated systems in which bankers, lawyers, lobbyists, financiers, Real Estate people, Insurance people, Drug Pharma people, big oil, big energy, and other big Transnationals are benefiting.
Why am I so upset?
The system separates us from relationships and teachings.
Dude, even now. Even now you are not explaining the risks, the specifics, the systems, the background, the legislation, the power players, the lobbyists, the front men,...
You have won a point or two here about population... but I see population as a stressor on the infrastructure and costing more in the planned obselesence type building and production...
Anyway I see the inflation, the abuse of currency, the expanding credit, and the expanding population of different cultural values as a problem.
Nations are dynamic.
With the influx of unlimited immigrants and open borders... we will change the traditions and culture in the USA/Europe. Scandanavia is also changing dramatically. This was all ill conceived.
A Nation can fall simply due to confusion of it's culture and political values.
Few here define the basis of a nation.
Think on that.
Borders are needed.
>>68305554
>Immigration by the Numbers -- Off the Charts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ [Embed]
>We know Legal Immigration has been raised at least 3 times since the 1960s.
>Care to Educate us, Anon?
>- 250,000 Legal Immigrants in the 1960s
>- Today unlimited open borders
>- Estimates from 14 Million to 20 Million of Illegals Living in the USA
No word yet on the effect of Radical Immigration, Anon??
Of course you know all about this.
The Demographics Question is all about needing new tax payers to pay the bills, build the country, expand the nation, help our corporations become transnationals that have no country Loyalty, help erase country loyalty, help tax avoidance and tax evasion, help companies incorporate offshore, help companies produce or perform services offshore, help wealthy to hide wealth off shore...
Well... and we have to help the wealthy to funnel dollars to politicians.
