ITT: Discuss Islam, its beliefs, merits to society. Debate about it. Question it. Discuss its place in the Abrahamic Trio.
Bonus Game: Convince me to convert to Islam.
>>620732
Allahu Akbar
>>620732
Can Islam be described as anti-secular since the methods of administration, polity and jurisprudence are contained within it?
>>620732
When will you be converting, OP?
>Only 100% irrefutable branch of philosophy
>Completely negates the point of philosophy existing
You are too stupid for all of reality to exist in your head.
There, solipsism debunked.
>>608952
>You are plugged into a computer simulation
Your move.
>>608980
You are too stupid to be plugged into a simulation.
I'm posting this in both /sci/ and /his/ for a wide range of opinions.
I'm a student majoring in both philosophy and one scientific field, and in every introductory science course I've taken (mostly due to university requirements), the professor has gone out of his way to insult philosophy in the opening lecture.
Statements such as "we aren't merely doing philosophy" or "we don't just sit around and make baseless statements like philosophers do" have been common from all of the physics, chemistry, astronomy, and biology professors I've taken classes under. Those kinds of statements were most often spouted by a psychology professor I had, during a class on conducting research.
Furthermore, science textbooks which refer to the history of science often refer to metaphysics and philosophy in the same way they refer to mythology, folklore, and religion. They act as if it's just people spouting random opinions with nothing to support their claims.
At the same time, these professors and authors make free use of logic (formal, informal, symbolic, etc) and terms such as "empiricism" and "determinism" to describe scientific methods and ideas as if they were not products of philosophers.
Why is philosophy in general seen as the subject of ridicule for those in scientific fields?
Why is it so common to see philosophy improperly represented by those in scientific fields, and pop culture in general?
Coming straight off the positivist train the hottest shit in the land is Scientism. This is a meme, it will die.
At the same time however. Scientists get a lot of good press and you have people who are full on "science communicators" like le black science man, Dawkins, and Sagan. There's a few philosophy youtube channels and existentialcomics I guess and that's about it when it comes to communicating what philosophy is about to laymen.
This might just be a case of American education but I legitimately didn't know what philosophy was until I got out of high school. I knew the word, I knew philosophers thought about stuff, I knew Plato and Aristotle were philosophers. But the current state of philosophy and how it's done was never taught to me.
>>624223
It is perceived as useless, baseless, and unmarketable. But perhaps worst of all, it is seen as a competitor to science or religion.
Pay them no regard anon. Pearls before swine.
>>624223
During the 20th century we had the logical positivist movement, which basically amounted to, "Only things explained by math or science are meaningful". The entire rest of philosophy seemed superfluous and superstitious. It became very popular but later went out of favor. It was discarded by its own creators and deemed false. Of course, the rest of the public and the scientific community are going to be slower to catch up with philosophy. Although logical positivism has done serious damage to intellectual discourse and there's a chance it will never recover. Scientism is the anti-intellectualism of our era.
>islam was spread by sword
When will this meme die?
Or is it truth that Islam was spread by sword?
>>621909
Okay, so the Ummayads were pretty hellbent on conquering, but like the text says, they wanted Islam to be Arab only. The Abbassids began proselytizing in conquered territories. The Ottomans are pretty much where we get this idea of Islam by the sword from, due to their harsh policies in Eastern Europe. The Ottomans left us with most of the West's cultural impressions of Islam for most of modern history, including the conversion by the sword.
>>622070
Are you stupid?
Ottomans were the only tolerant pluralistic Islamic empire.
Go fuck off back to your propaganda containment boards.
I've heard that several conflicts in Africa and the Middle East are because when the borders for these states were drawn up they were haphazard and didn't take into account who lived there, their cultures, history etc.
With that in mind, what would this continent and a 5th look like if there was more of an effort to draw the borders to respect cultural identies.
>inb4 /pol/
Well, since I'm dealing with cultures and history, I think that fits humanities. I mean, Iraq might be less shit if it was actually a country called Chaldea to the north and Kurdistan to the east.
>inb4 tumblr KULTRAL APPOPEEASHUN!
Fuck tumblr.
honestly the me is just fine except for kurdistan
for africa they never really unified at all, theres thousands and thousands of tribes and groups that hate eachother. You could try all day and never get something that brings peace
I remember a thread where some anons attempted it and ended up with roughly 300 irrelevant shitholes.
>>620514
>and Kurdistan to the east.
A nomadic group from Persia that committed genocide against Assyrians and Armenians doesn't deserve a fucking state.
Do you call it the Byzantine Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire or the Roman Empire?
I call them the Eastern Romans. They're not quite the 'Roman Empire' with the fall of Rome itself, but they're certainly Roman enough to have that word in their name.
'Byzantine' is fucking Enlightenment bullshit.
>>616706
>'Byzantine' is fucking Enlightenment bullshit
I agree. The more I read up on the history of late antiquity, the more I grew to despise the term. I tend to switch off between Roman or Eastern Roman depending on the context. I.e., I'll say that Roman empire fell in 1453, but if I were talking about the reign of Constantine VII, I'll say Eastern Roman Empire.
>>616697
Byzantines to those that don't give a shit about history in the odd event it comes up to hide my autism powerlevels.
Although I went to Turkey last summer and couldn't help myself by just calling them Romans. My dad eventually came around to doing the same.
>tfw exploring ruins with pops
>Hey anon come check out this Roman structure
Daily Roman thread.
How could a society that was so shitty at the micro-level produce such enduring art and architecture?
>>615925
Shitty at the micro-level?
Why are whites the only race currently associated with enslaving people? Slavery has existed since recorded history and every race has partaken in it.
Africans sold each other to the Portuguese who then sold the slaves to Americans and Europeans. Why is this seen as a "white only" historical issue? Hell, hundreds of thousands of white men even died to free slaves in the U.S. yet we still get shit for it.
>>617351
>Why are whites the only race currently associated with enslaving people
They aren't though?
>>617364
Have you seen what's being taught in universities?
Most college aged kids now believe that whites are the only evil slavers and need to pay.
>>617351
Propaganda
>Sea peoples
>Attacked cities across the Bronze age world around 1000 BCE
>Nobody knows where they came from
inb4 retards saying "THEY WERE CLEARLY [insert ethnic group]" when it's obvious there were different invading waves consisting of various peoples
>leads the Portuguese faction in the battle that resulted in the worst Portuguese defeat until WW1
>No one knows what happened to him
>Because of his disappearence, the country went tits up.
>People wanted him to come back so much they'd hang around the pier to see if any ship came by with the King.
>this led to the expression "to see ships" for someone who sits there waiting for something that isn't happening.
Where is he, bros?
>>599629
They were clearly Atlanteans
What was Thomas Aquinas' true view of Islam? I am considering reading Summa contra Gentiles for it.
Also is Islam truly a religion of peace why or why not?
Their prophet was a warlord.
Enough said.
He writes from the position that he knows the truth. If only he understood Islam what for it rendered, not those who lived different lives than he did.
>>620375
"Islam" means "submission". If you submit, you live. That's a kind of "peace" I guess.
>>620380
Also a cold-blooded killer, rapist, thief and liar. Why anyone converts to Pisslam in this day and age is beyond me, granted kids born into it have no choice but actual adults who come along and say "Hmm, this murderous child rapist thief sounds like just the kind of spiritual leader I've been looking for!"! confuse me no end.
How does one kill 90 million of your own population and manage to still be seen as a hero by a great amount of russians
>>619470
>90 million
How does one actually believe these numbers
How many people do you think russia had
>>619474
of course the other soviet "States" are included
How does one receive agrarian country with horse plough and leave it industrial superpower with the atomic bomb
Fuck off to /pol/ or /int/
The facts, though unadvertised for obvious reasons, are accessible. To trace this iniquity it is necessary to go back to 1919 and the murderous communist dictatorship of Bela Kun in Hungary.
The deputy “People’s Commissar for Culture and Education” in that short-lived regime was Georg Lukacs. Under his programme of “cultural terrorism”, Lukacs imposed a system of pornographic sex education on Hungarian school pupils, promoted promiscuity, denounced the family and encouraged children to mock their parents and religion (does any of this ring a bell?). The question he posed was: “Who will save us from Western Civilisation?”
The Kun regime quickly fell, but Lukacs’ claim that cultural subversion was the best means of promoting revolution impressed Lenin. Late in 1922, on Lenin’s instructions, a meeting was called at the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow. Present were: Georg Lukacs; Karl Radek, representing Lenin; Felix Dzherzhinsky, founder and head of the Cheka (later KGB); and Willi Munzenberg, a leader of the Comintern, later murdered by Stalin.
The strategy decided on at that meeting was to subvert intellectuals “and use them to make Western civilisation stink”, in Munzenberg’s words, and to graft Freud’s ideas onto Marxism, exploiting sexual anarchy to destroy that same civilisation. The following year, 1923, an Institute of Marxism was established at Frankfurt which, to camouflage its purpose, soon changed its name to the Institute for Social Research and became commonly known as the Frankfurt School.
The Institute built up a cadre of cultural Marxists, including Max Horkheimer, Erick Fromm and Herbert Marcuse. When the Nazis came to power in 1933 the Frankfurt School migrated to the United States. There its members set about poisoning American culture, based in Columbia University. Theodor Adorno promoted degenerate atonal music to induce mental illness, including necrophilia, on a large scale. He and Horkheimer also penetrated Hollywood, recognising the film industry’s power to influence mass culture. The American schools system was a prime target for successful subversion.
By the post-War era the Cultural Marxist programme had a wide-reaching agenda of destruction. It aimed to destroy the family, denying the specific roles of the father and mother, and advocated the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children; mobilisation of women as revolutionaries against men, through aggressive feminism; large-scale immigration to abolish national identity; dependency on the state and state benefits; control and infantilisation of the media.
The great canon of Western literature was demolished by pygmies in the name of “deconstruction”, exploiting the intellectual snobbery of insecure academics. Universities today are the worst enemies of independent thinking and free speech: in the words of Robert Lind, all American campuses have become “small, ivy-covered North Koreas”.
>>618403
>Under his programme of “cultural terrorism”, Lukacs imposed a system of pornographic sex education on Hungarian school pupils, promoted promiscuity, denounced the family and encouraged children to mock their parents and religion (does any of this ring a bell?
Could you source this?
>>618403
wow, you uncovered the jew conspiracy!!! u did it! here is gold star
How did Spain get so much land in Europe?
How come didn't the Ottomans seem to give a fuck?
Why didn't they just kill each other?
Spain and the Ottomans? They're pretty far from each other.
>>618038
A lot of it was either brought in via Hapsburg inheritance (Low countries, France-Comte) Or was just conquered. The Tercios were probably the best soldiers in Europe in their day.
>>618038
Mostly due to Charles V having Habsburg and Burgundian ancestry.
I see a lot of atheists asking for some sort of proof of God.
Well, if you really want it, try saying "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God," while inhaling through your nose, and "Have mercy on me, the sinner," while exhaling out your mouth. Just move your tongue, you don't have to move your lips if it's too conspicuous. Get a counter and do this exactly three thousand times a day for three days straight, not a single time more, not a single time less.
Orthodox reading list and FAQ's (for atheists, Catholics, liberals, Jews, Protestants and Muslims) for those interested: http://pastebin.com/bN1ujq2x
>>617293
>Well, if you really want it, try saying "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God," while inhaling through your nose, and "Have mercy on me, the sinner," while exhaling out your mouth. Just move your tongue, you don't have to move your lips if it's too conspicuous. Get a counter and do this exactly three thousand times a day for three days straight, not a single time more, not a single time less.
Is language relevant to the effort?
>>617293
Supposing I do it for 8 hours a day before falling apart, it's 6.25 times per minute. How fast is this shit? You have never done it man.
That's not proof, that's a breathing exercise. You will get the same results if you say "There is no god but Allah" when inhaling and "and Muhammed is his messenger" when exhaling
What are the characteristics that make up the Western world?
What does it mean to be Western?
What country do you see as Western?
Adopting something foreign and claim it's theirs.
This I believe would be the loosest definition of the Western world:
The Western world should have a significant Christian heritage. Now it should be either Christian or at least culturally Christian.
The Western world should have partial or significant European heritage.
The Western world should see it self in alignment with liberal democracy.
If the country has position its political rhetorical against "Western imperialism" such as Venezuela or snubs the West (like Ecuador with the Snowden scandal), then it its Western.
This was the best that I could do.
Its 2:40 AM here, will be going to sleep.
>>617242
I feel like Japan and S. Korea should be considered western
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