Drop It Already Edition
Good morning, Calth! Sub-Edition
In the last bread Titan names were discussed, the requirements for plastic Spartans were mentioned, one Anon mentioned his times using Angron, new red books are coming out, I pray that ignorant meme spouters get their fingers broken and much more that I have forgotten due to just waking up >>47890174
Red Book Links:
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.zippyshare.com%2Fv%2Fs15Jqk1t%2Ffile.html
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmega.nz%2F%23!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg
HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8aqx9j3a8erqv8d/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_6_-_Retribution.pdf or
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkat.cr%2Fthe-horus-heresy-book-6-retribution-pdf-t12199249.html
HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
Crusade Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
Given how you take lyrics from Mozart's Requiem for Titan names I say Titans listen to classical music at Titan Daycare.
Still looking for where I can get this to hang on my wall
Shadow Crusade Part Deux when?
>>47906369
Above your bed.
>>47906397
Never.
IT IS DONE. Ave dominus nox. Prepare for terrible images.
>>47906544
HQs+apothecaries
>>47906554
Terminators+tactical support
>>47906564
Heavy support squad+dreads
>>47906569
Veteran squad+terror squads
>>47906578
And finally raptors.
>>47906564
Is volkite and mk 2 armour an established combination? I've seen it more than once
>>47906544
>>47906554
>>47906564
>>47906569
>>47906578
>>47906585
Nice Batmarines. 10/10. Would be midnight clad with.
>>47906606
All weapons and all armor are acceptable combinations.
The reason that particular pair shows up a lot is because they both imply an older marine, most likely a Terran, who's been in service since the early Great Crusade, or possibly even the War of Unification.
>>47906544
very pretty but god damn is armor and artillery going to wreck your mans, I hope your meta is more forgiving then most!
>>47906369
I have got the poster of this on my wall :^)
for a 3k list should i run:
dual spartan + typhon
dual spartan + phosphex thudd guns
spartan + typhon + phosphex thudd guns
i want the theme to be a brutal as fuck armored spearhead/linebreaker/siege breaker
>>47906369
Shit that's a shame I think I had it a long time ago and got rid if it when moving out. I would have sent it to you otherwise.
>>47906744
Care to share where you got it?
>>47906544
Ave Dominus Nox brother!
>>47907288
Now I might be talking shit since I had it a loooong time ago, but THINK I either had it thanks to a WD, or a Gamesday. Again, I'm not sure.
What you can try to do is contacting Warhammer Art. They might do it just for you. It'll cost you quite a lot though, since it'll be more than a simple poster.
>>47907386
Shit, that's what I was afraid of. I might be able to get it from one of those websites that make custom posters and just make sure to get a good frame for it so it doesn't look like ass or get damaged. On the plus side, in my search I managed to come across pic related on a T-shirt which I've ordered on a pleasing navy blue. Nice and simple, something I can wear in public. So I guess it wasn't in vain
>>47906544
That's a big army.
>>47907626
I wish the Exorcists had black shoulders. Then I could straight up run my 30k Word Bearers as them, and they'd still look fluffy.
Anyways, post your headcanon.
>Were the chapter icon different, and the shoulders black, you would mistake him for a Word Bearer.
>>47908353
IIRC they didn't all have the black of the Gal Vorbak, otherwise why would all the 40k WBs be pure red?
>>47908389
At Calth the Word Bearers changed their colors to the red and black of the Serrated Suns chapter.Please be the right pic.
Rate my Heresy-era, Alpha Legion-aligned Knight House, /tg/?
House Xyrax
Clohvis Xyrax, Disciple-in-Extraordinary, piloting Memoriam Vindicta (Cerastus Knight Acheron)
Dmitrius Xyrax, Disciple-in-Ordinary, piloting Infernum Omnia (Cerastus Knight Lancer)
Helena Xyrax, Disciple-in-Ordinary, piloting Aestus Congnitio (Cerastus Knight Castigator)
Castrius Xyrax, Scion, piloting Terraemotus Incarnadine (Cerastus Knight Atrapos)
1/2
>>47908353
I have a few headcanons that depend on your view point if they're stupid or not.
>Cabal are going to get the 40k equalivant to a Texas wedgie after the Age of Darkness and were Chaos puppets
>Autek was Andrew Jackson in a past life
>the new fluff that is nothing but garbage never happened
>Scoria becomes a high ranking member of the Dark Mechanicus, and Xana 2 is covered in 20% of his self portraits. Half of them are either actual paintings or gears and cogs moving around in his likeness.
>half way during the Siege of Terra it became known as "Operation: Enduring Clusterfrak" as the influence of the Warp started to give a hint at the Traitor Legions' future cooperation and organization skills
>World Eaters started going crazier and were turning on just about everything
>Death Guard was too slow to start picking up the pace
>this was the period when the EC started to turn their depraved intentions towards the civilians
>Word Bearers stopped fighting and started building temples to Chaos
>Lorgar kept on trying to turn Terra into a daemon world but was denied by Big E's influence constantly
>1K Sons were unsupported enough to be effective
>Aloha Legion starting who know what
>this left the SoHs and IWs to start picking up the slack
>NLs finally arrived and got told to start picking up the slack
>tfw
>Horus eventually screamed into their minds to knock off the stupidity and get back to work
>Operation: Enduring Clusterfrak ended and Horus lamented how he was the master of broken monsters again
2/2
Based in the Jordyte Depths, Knight House Xyrax developed in tandem, or rather, in oppisition to, the Knights of House Graith. Both Houses owe their standing in-sector to the aid they have provided over the centuries to the military needs of both the Jorditian Confederation Commercial and Chyronaea Forge. By enmeshing themselves militarily and politically in both camps, Graith and Xyrax saw a plethora of benefits. In the case of the former, House Graith rose to a position of great wealth, with riches heaped upon them by the grateful Spacing and Mining Lords of the Confederation Commercial. Over the centuries, they gradually involved themselves in not only the courtly affairs and belligerent sallies of a Knightly House, but merchant trading, shipping, and mining venture, making the House a fearsome commercial entity in its own right. There are whispers of instances where the Baron of Graith turned a blind eye on and a deaf ear to pleas for aid from mining settlements in the belts that found themselves set upon by raiders only to further the merchant interests of his own house. Conversely, House Xyrax was privy to the very best equipment Chyronaea Forge could provide; allowing it to field, despite its comparatively small size, some of the best and rarest engine-patterns during its own sallies. In doing, Xyrax developed upon a different path to Graith, becoming more akin to what would be recognizable to Imperial citizens as Mechanicum disciples than an old Knight House. This is reflected in the titles the members of Xyrax themselves bear. Opposing the Baron of House Graith stands the Disciple-in-Extraordinary of Xyrax, or Dex Xyraxi. Despite the formidable combat record it has always held, Xyrax has perennially played second-fiddle to the more politically powerful and engine-numerous House Graith, who have on many an occasion used their sheer commercial weight to purchase engines and equipment from under the noses of Xyrax.
>>47908738
>>47908767
I want to know how they became AL allies.
>>47908353
>Alpharius is the traitor of the 2, being found by Horus like the well known story of hil making his wayto his command bridge with his tiny ass fleet. He's the one that crashed on an empty planet before killing pirates and stealing their ships.
>Omegon is the loyalist one, the one that defended a planet against a worm like species, got abducted and tortured before being found by Empy. He kept Omegon close to him to repair the toll torture and mind control had taken ipon the Primarch, as well as teachin him to become his Spec Ops guy. Hence Omegon staying loyalist and sometimes helping Loyalists while making it look like he's a traitor. Double agent basically.
Just using the FW fluff and choosing the interpretation that seems the more logical.
>>47908853
After compliance, the sector’s military spent the better part of a century of void warfare and void-structure clearance warfare ‘managing’ the issue of xenos and raider enclaves within the numerous asteroid belts and fields of the depths internally, until intervention by the 5th Harrow of the Alpha Legion, who were able to rapidly prosecute both known and previously unknown holdouts within the fields, including a remarkably belligerent hrud infestation and numerous eldar raider bases. Within a year of their arrival in 986.M30, the XX Legion, under the command of Consul Shale Xorn, had affected total compliance of the belts and fields of the Jordyte Depths. During this time, House Xyrax, still suffering a slow wane of their status in-sector thanks to their relative failure as participants in the century-long extermination, eagerly seconded themselves to the command of the XX Legion, with the third Dex Xyraxi in less an the 100 years seeing it as a chance to redeem his House's reputation. The Legion, for it's part, readily deployed House Xyrax where it could. The serpent worked it's way into Xyrax's largely Mechanicum-infused iconography, not at the best of Legion but rather due to the eagerness of the Dex.
At the outbreak of the Heresy, the current Dex, Clohvis Xyrax, is newly-arisen to his seat, and painfully aware of the expectations his ancestor's failures, the expectations of his siblings, and the ever-rising star of House Graith. When the Alpha Legion returns to the Depths, it finds itself with an eager ally who does not ask questions.
>>47908981
I am surprised by the lack of AL infiltration and sleeper agents. Not bad at all, Anon. 10/10. What happened to the other House?
>>47907517
> in my search I managed to come across pic related on a T-shirt
Source, battle-brother?
>>47909058
A really, really big Harrowing.
And thanks! I kind of wanted this to be outright emotional manipulation, of the XX taking advantage at the right time, rather than the usual sparatoi shenanigans. Not to say, however, that there aren't agents sewn amongst Xyrax's sacristans.
>>47909099
I'm giving you bonus points for this being not completely AL agents, Anon. Sounds better than the fluff for my Knight Houses.
>A really, really big Harrowing
Just how big we talking about here?
>>47908353
Red hunters are loyalist word bearers who changed their name in the second founding with the help of the inquisition.
>>47909153
Luring the majority of House Graith onto an asteroid, killing most of them in an ambush, then blowing up the asteroid by throwing another asteroid at it.
>>47909216
>Using the power of the stone
These ALs were smart. What is the final fate of House Xyrax?
I find it amusing that you can run an army of baby's first destroyers using Outlander Blackshields' maruaders. Give 'em an extra bolt pistol and rad grenades to the Sergeant and they can act like a lite version of destroyers. Worse in just about every way, save max numbers, but still a fun idea.
>>47908353
I wouldn't complain. Go for it; I love the idea of building armies which can be used in both games.
>>47908353
Omegon was in constant communication with the Emperor and disappeared after the alpha legion civil war, sending his loyalist AL into hiding across the galaxy in small cells. They currently help the Imperium and are only known to a very small cabal of Inquisitors. The rest of the AL are legit chaos although that was part of the plan.
At the Emperors request he helped malcador create the grey Knights using his plethora of stolen technology and the gene seed codex that the AL stole from the Ravens guard (which Omegon stole specifically to keep out of the hands of Horus)
He became Janus, the first grand master and in true AL fashion, removed himself from the GK and gave them the belief that they never had a primarch. He is currently buried on Titan in stasis and will be awoken if the Terminus Decree is used, which is when the master stroke of the ALs plan will go into motion.
>>47908353
Consider magnetising the pauldrons.
>>47909271
They [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] at the [REDACTED] of [REDACTED] until the final [REDACTED] to [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] ultimately leading to [REDACTED] and the [REDACTED]
In all seriousness, no idea. I'm an XX player so I don't deal in endings well since the history of the AL is so goddamn opaque. Part of the fun, really.
>>47909299
It's all...parta the plan.
>>47909351
>In all seriousness, no idea. I'm an XX player so I don't deal in endings well since the history of the AL is so goddamn opaque. Part of the fun, really.
I didn't imagine it like that, Anon.
>>47909392
Are you disappoint, Anon?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Legion-Devastation-Force
By my calculations this saves me about 30$ and a poster.
The real question is is it worth it for starting up a 30k army?
>>47906544
Love you, Night-man.
You are an inspiration.
>>47907305
Bat Marines somehow rule this general it seems.
Please dont skin me.
>>47909413
>>47909413
No. Not really. A little mystery can go a long way with me.
>>47909519
Now I just need a colour scheme.
>>47909466
Fuuuuk.
I feel poor now.
No idea man, but three boxes is 15 termies, three eggs and ..90 boots.
Hooi.
Thats a load of guys.
Which Legion do you aim for?
>>47909351
An interview with an Alpha LegionSerf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVvJBjhMIw8
>>47909466
>After you have placed your order please contact the Forge World Customer Service Team with your order number and your choice of Legion from: Alpha Legion, Death Guard, Emperor's Children, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Night Lords, Raven Guard, Salamanders, Sons of Horus, Ultramarines, Word Bearers, World Eaters.
>Every legion with full rules can be a poster
>Except IW
This is not how you make up for Dorn not having a model.
>>47909570
>>Every legion with full rules can be a poster
>>Except IW
Decimation for you! Decimation for your cow!
>>47909549
I'm thinking Word Bearers. I'll probably give one of the boxes to my friend who's interested as a gift.
>>47909563
>>47909600
It basically looks like the IW pillaged a garbage dump and clad themselves in filthy shit.
>>47909614
Thats nice of you.
I am a bit sad its all MKIV...doesnt fit the IH I want...
Really, the only thing stopping me.
>>47909600
Am I the only one who actually *likes* the IW contemptor? I think it actually looks really cool, and it fits their aesthetic.
The upgrade sprue is a bit nonsensical I'll agree, but it's not that objectively awful looking if you ignore the fact that it has nothing to do with IW.
>>47909691
Most people hate the giant star and the offset belt buckle of the chest pieces.
On the subject of the contemptor, I think people would hate it less if it had a different head, the current one just looks daft
>>47909691
I like it.
Maybe its some merican gun tribe lone star (muh texas) stuff, MKII also points there.
>>47909691
On the dread, I think it just looks to...haphazard? The bolted on pieces don't really speak 'Legion' to me. The aesthetic of the DG is much more on point.
>>47909745
The DG dread us a regular egg with mk2 helmet with minimal legion iconography.
Love it though.
>>47909745
>I think it just looks to...haphazard? The bolted on pieces don't really speak 'Legion' to me.
I think thats the point, a dread with wonky field repairs thats ready to go into the meatgrinder again. They werent called the Corpse Grinders for nothing, anyone is expendable.
>>47909781
Yeah that was the DG's whole thing, they weren't big on all the medals and glorification, they preferred to let the armours battle damage do the talking
>>47907288
anon that posted that here, I got it from a WD when they first announced the Horus heresy minis
what RoW do people usually run WB With?
>>47909904
Last of the serrated suns is actually pretty good if you don't use it to take Gal Vorbak
>>47909626
Given how they're basically left on their own to procure whatever reinforcements and spare parts they can get on their own, does this mean the IW are the hobo legion?
>>47909691
Yes you are, this guy >>47909733 is a lie.
I mean, sure, the skull face is cringy, but it doesn't help that doesn't look Sheated in Steel, but in random Garbage.
>>47909541
What do have in mind so far?
>>47909952
I was not lying, jzst thinking aloud.
>>47909087
It was on redbubble.the guy wearing it looks like a total fag, but what do you exist with these things?
http://www.redbubble.com/people/littlehorus/works/20574249-devourer-of-worlds?grid_pos=10&p=t-shirt>>47909099
>>47909600
>>47909466
imo, it's far more than you'll ever need and the savings are tiny in comparison to the cost. I don't see myself using more than 1.5 Calth boxes for a single army.
>>47908981
This is really well thought out.
I want to build a IF army based around The Stone Gauntlet with warders protecting my shooters.
What would /tg/ recommend for a HQ and support?
As I mentioned last time I have sigismund, a dreadnought, a land raider phobos, and a vindicator.
>>47910569
Thanks Anon!
>>47910642
Pollux is a better choice than Sigismund for Stone Gauntlet, I think
>>47910786
You can't DS with The Stone Gauntlet.
>>47909952
>>47909626
Everything is explained!
>>47910786
What does Pollux do better? I have the rulebook but I don't understand the buffs yet.
>>47910803
DS meaning deep strike?
>>47906585
>>47906578
>>47906569
>>47906564
>>47906554
>>47906544
Squanchy lookin' squanches you got there, anon. However, I do have one question: where's the primack?
>>47910982
Yes
>>47909600
>>47910192
I actually like that Contemptor, but these chest plates looks like out of cartoon for children.
>>47909928
Did anyone ever find out if that RoW actually works? Because RAW it cannot be fielded because all units that cannot deep strike must buy a drop pod which is an immobile unit but the army cannot include any immobile units.
>>47911321
Drop pods are not immobile. When they arrive they become immobilized, but they don't start out so.
I'm planning on making a Blackshields army, but I'm having trouble deciding which flavor to go with.
The only Wrought by War that does appeal to me is the Death Seekers option.
Option 1 Chymeriea seems like the most solid option. A flat, free boost to S and T in exchange for a lowered Init seems like a good trade.
Orphans of War used to be my favorite Wrought by War choice, but that requires keeping units grouped into twos or more to get their rule. While the rerolls to hit are nice, it would be harder to have units go off and do their own thing: they'd get no benefits at all.
So that leaves Outlanders. The rad grenades are a nice option, and getting some deepstriking units can be useful, but losing half the army means you basically lose the game. That's just nasty.
On the other hand, The Nemean Reaver is a great HQ. On the other other hand, the deathlock looks pretty worthless to me. Taking enough to be a threat to an enemy unit would make them more dangerous to firing unit.
Thematically I like all three of those options. "Enhanced" astartes pirates going off doing their own thing, mercenaries using xeno technology, or a cadre of dedicated soldiers just trying to get by.
I just don't now what to to.
I've heard a bit about the tactics Option1 chymeriae can use, but haven't heard much about Outlanders or Orphans. Does anyone have experience using either of these types of Blackshields?
I'd prefer to make heavy use of marauders.
What are some recommended low cost Hqs to run for low point games where you need to max out the points you have to get stuff on the board.
im trialling out a seige breaker on a jetbike with meltabombs at the moment.
anyone had success with anything else?
>>47911340
You are like little child
>>47911346
Chaplains and Delegatus (Delegatii?)
>>47909952
>>47910929
DG dread makes a half decent IW dread with a little tweaking
>>47910066
I still don't understand why FW/GW doesn't just sell a whole bunch of legion/race shirts, they would sell a ton of them
this is the design of 2 shirts that they sold at iirc some event, looks amazing I'd gladly shell out money for this
>>47911477
I want IW, SoH and TS.
>>47911477
Yeah, I'd have to buy AL, EC, and WB.
>>47911371
In the right sidebar it says "once it has deployed." Between that and common fucking sense, it's not immobile prior to the game.
>>47911647
But it has the Immobile rule. Last of the Serrated Sun says it cannot include models that are Immobile. It's pretty clear.
>>47911697
0/10 would not play against
Also, Where the hell is this RoW? Finding them in the books is a lot harder than it needs to be.
>>47911862
Page 193 of book VI my compadre
>>47911697
Well I doubt Forgeworld would include the RoW just so some rules lawyer states 'duh look it's immobile you can't do it' clearly it's something Forgworld just forgot so yeah you can take them in the RoW
>>47911889
Thanks.
There are a lot of sentences specifically allowing drop pods in that RoW, even requiring them. Do dedicated transports count as "units"?
>>47911477
>>47911593
The IW's t-shirt
>>47911901
>>47911970
It's more about the principle. In practice if I ever played a Word Bearer I wouldn't have a problem with him bring drop pods with this rite.
However, it's a really blatant contradiction one which could have easily been avoided with any amount of fact checking or peer review that obviously FW didn't put into the design (obvious because of this and many other contradictions and oversights).
Some people enjoy HH for the game more than the fluff and I think that's okay. When we pay so many hundreds of monies for these books and models and invest so much time into this hobby I don't think it's too much to ask of FW to consider people who want to have the structured environment to play a game with clear bounds and rules. It's easy to say "just house rule it," but my reason for pointing this particular contradiction out is my response to that "we shouldn't have to."
>>47912047
>inb4 get over it you WAACfag
>>47912047
get over it you WAACfag
>>47912080
Curse my precognition
>>47912065
>>47911057
I only use my guys.
>>47912047
I'd just as soon argue RAW, seeing as drop pods are not considered immobile UNTIL PLAY, rather than being set up in the field as a static object.
It's like having a rhino deployed at the start of the game that gets wrecked turn 1 before moving; it didn't start the game immobile, that's not in it's rules, but it is immobile from the beginning to the end.
>>47912217
Yeah but in the Drop Pod entry it states it having the Immobile special rule
HH General! I ordered two ten man tactical squads an a mk2 command unit for my 500pt Blackshield list.
The armies focus is going to be on troop durability and firepower superiority via static gunlines. I'm considering buying a Basilisk or a Rapier battery in addition to some Apothicaries.
What would /tg/ recommend as a next purchase in a gunline list?
Whats a good way to use the new IF RoW? I just cant think of any and I hate Phalanx.
>>47912101
Curzes!
>>47912237
The box description says "once it has deployed". Lots of rules only apply once something has happened.
I have 3 Castellax with darkfire cannons that I intend on fielding with a Praevian. What I want to know is how effective are Darkfire cannons and what's the best way of using them?
The Castellax will be able to Infiltrate due to the LA:RG rule if this changes anything.
Just infiltrate them up a flank and snipe side armour? Any other neat tricks I could pull off with them?
>>47912237
Exactly thank you, anon.
>>47912217
The RoW doesn't say units that a are immobilized. It is referencing the Immobile rule, possessed by pods and tarantulas.
>>47912284
It's for people with BaC armies. Footsloggers only work if you can teleport, infiltrate, or something else to get you closer.
>>47912317
Got any examples of other things like this happening?
>>47912317
To give an example, a unit has Tank Hunter, which only applies once the unit interacts with a tank. But you wouldn't say the unit doesn't have Tank Hunter until it shoots or assaults a tank. The unit is a Tank Hunter unit.
Besides like I said it's really not the point, the point is contradictions like these shouldn't be around in the first place. Or failing that, they should be answered in a timely manner with a confident singular voice.
>>47912326There are three uses of “immobile” in the game:
A damage state after having your tracks shot off, or after a drop pod lands
A universal special rule - the one we’ve been arguing about
A unit type in its profile, e.g. Tarantulas are “Artillery (Immobile)”
I suspect the RoW limitation was supposed to be about the third, not the second. Drop pods are “Vehicle (Open-topped, Transport (Special))” – not immobile. I think “(Special)” refers to the unit becoming Immobile after deployment, but it isn’t clear.
>>47911889
Also explicitly states you can take dreadclaws as well, at least for gal vorbak. Those are very much not immobile
>>47912284
Take dreadclaws, enjoy your 2+ jink saves the turn you enter
>>47912469
>>47912473
Well, again, the actual contradiction itself is really not the point. Like I said even though I was the one who pointed it out in this thread, I can see the obvious meaning of the rule. The problem is that this contradiction exists at all.
>>47912284
>>47912350
I was thinking about how I'd run this, because I really want to buy Phalanx Warders and think it would awesome to have them arranged in a circle with shields facing outwards after deep striking. I'd probably take 3 Dreadclaws for 2 Tactical Squads and the Command Squad since it opens up the Fast Attack slots and then take Phalanx Warders for the Imperial Fist version of artillery with circles of shields dropping all over the field and blinding opponents.
>>47912321
Infiltrating S7 AP2 Lance weapons aren't enough for you? Well, I guess you could give the Praevian camaleoline and infiltrate them in cover to make those T7 W4 Castellaxii get a 3+/5++/4+++
Say, doesn't the Praevian gives the unit Infiltrate already? So those Darkfire cannons could also become Tank Hunters, not to mention at close range the Praevian would give the unit PE as long as he lands the shot. Maybe give him a bolter?
>>47911419
It's just better to go with Leviathan at this point.
>>47912521
It's not really a problem to anyone who's sane. I can see how the rule over free [REDACTED] is unclear and causes debate, but this particular one is so absurd that no one's actually going to try to get lists using this RoW disqualified from play.
Only robots explode when presented with a contradiction. That's why they've been banned from the 40k universe.
>>47912578
I don't actually know how effective Str7 is at getting rid of tanks. Playing my first game this weekend. 1d4chan says the Lance rule doesn't mean anything due to the strength of the Castellax - could you/someone explain why this is please?
Damn, didn't think about the PE deal. Wasn't sure about the volkite Serpenta on the Praevian anyway.
>>47912595
You're throwing out the possibility that this hobby is cunt free.
The fact that the rite can actually still function without drop pods as >>47912473 pointed out makes my point a little stronger. Someone could argue that you can't bring pods and that the rite is meant to be composed almost entirely of Gal Vorbak in dreadclaws to represent the remnants of the Serrated Sun. The fact that we are having this conversation at all proves that even what some people perceive as small contradictions or loop holes can be caught by people.
Imagine if I was a WAAC who actually didn't believe this rite is meant to have pods.
>>47912595
>Only robots explode when presented with a contradiction
Not always. In fact, that's a problem when they fail to accept they should be dead and they simply...keep coming at you.
>>47912131
>go fuck yourself and stop bringing your primarch to every game
Gets me every fucking time
>>47912640
Sure I can, I wrote it.
The wiki actually says it's the Furious Charge rule what doesn't mean anything due to S6 already wounding marines on a 2+, while even when boosted until S7 it still won't ID those 2W termies.
As for the Lance rule, Armoured Ceramite wont protect that AV14 LR to become AV12 and get penetrated (mmm) on a 6.
>>47912640
Lance will make anything AV13+ into AV12. Which is all well and good, except you're still glancing that on a 5 and penetrating on a 6. Doable? Absolutely, and it's a sure sight better chance than you had against a Spartan when you didn't have Lance. Lance is good, S7 is just ever so slightly underwhelming with it.
>>47912657
zombie marine/taghmata list when?
>>47912743
It'll help with those t5 (or dreaded t6 blackshield) bikers though
>>47911477
I have the EC shirt and I love it. I wear it very often, and it motivates me to strive for perfection. I even started to lift, and will, most likely, be ripped as fuck by next summer. I even wear it at parties. I once made out with a 7 year younger chick with blue hair while wearing it.
You guys should get one too, just to get inspired to strive for perfection.
>>47912743
Gotcha, that makes sense. Thanks man, love getting a brief rundown on units from 1d4chan.
>>47912760
Riiight, thanks Anon.
I look forward to unleashing the stealth Castellax amongst a tank heavy backline
>>47912799
Fulgrim, pls
>>47912799
So when do you plan on betraying your father and grinding up human bones to get insanely high?
>>47912799
so the EC shirt comes with a free Slaanesh demon inside it?
>>47912781
True, but Furious Assault only triggers when it is you the one charging. As in, somehow those Castellax caught up with dudes that move 12", can turboboost and may even ignore terrain. Deredeo-fat chance.
And even without FA, their PE and Rage lets them inflict ~1.8 unsaved wounds each on T5 at S6 anyway (but if what you want is melee then you should probably go Vorax?).
>>47912657
Is that one of the iron hands zombie abominations?
>>47912838
Since my dad constantly mocked (and still mocks) me with "I'll never see you become a man!", I'm going to become a famous playboy billionaire. Only then will he have my permission to die.
>>47912845
Only if you didn't have one already.
>>47912799
>I once made out with a 7 year younger chick
Y'know, for a second there, I thought you meant something different.
>>47912879
Yeah, I misspelled.
>>47912799
>I even started to lift
>started
EC confirmed for not making it.
>>47912905
Which is the /fit/ legion? I'm thinking WE.
>>47912799
Then I'm afraid of buying the DG shirt, lest I stop bathing, become bloated and get cancerous AIDS.
...or I could walk through walls and safely ram buildings with vehicles? The potential benefits are too good to ignore.
>>47912927
Thousand Sons, pavoni psykers just reshape themselves into perfection.
>>47912963
But that's cheating. It puts them on the same level as the Iron Hands, the plastic surgery legion.
>>47912927
EC, because they're obsessed with it?
>>47912927
BA, EC, and WE
EC super into aesthetics, WE go full bearmode, BA a fusion of the two.
>>47912927
i dl 5pl8 for reps and i play WE, so i believe it
Rolled 8, 4, 4, 2, 1 = 19 (5d8)
>>47912987
Here, roll five D8 because I have no idea what you just said
>>47906369
I found my copy while throwing some stuff out this morning. Gonna get it framed.
>Captcha: select all images with tea
>mfw 4chan knows I'm a britbong
>>47912647
>Imagine if I was a WAAC who actually didn't believe this rite is meant to have pods.
I'm having trouble imagining it. I get what you're saying - I mean, we can all see the problem, but I haven't yet met anyone in the 30k scene bad enough to take it seriously.
>>47912657
Aren't Mechanicum automata not quite robots?
>>47912927
I assume the pecs and six-packs that the Blood Angels sculpt onto their armor are also present on their... black carapace? Hm, dunno if the carapace gets in the way.
>>47912979
Iron Hands are /g/ or possibly /v/
>>47913011
>>47912987
I'll translate: I can deadlift ~220kg multiple times in a row before fatigue sets in
Good job bro, I'll be aiming for a PR of 165kg for reps later today, wish me luck
>>47913033
it means i could break you in half. kek
>>47913063
>Aren't Mechanicum automata not quite robots?
Cybernetica Cortexes are but a step away from becoming Abominable Intelligences on their own, and Scyllax (not real battle-automata) tend to gain a good measure of self awareness, so, yeah.
>>47913069
Then what legion is.../pol/?
Ye Olde Imperial Heralds?
>>47913093
ur gonna make it brah just grip n rip that shit
>>47913095
I don't know about being broken in half, but I like being broken in
>>47913120
>Then what legion is.../pol/?
all of them except EC and salamanders
>>47913120
What's that about the scyllax? Sounds cool, is it in their unit entry?
>>47913120
One dude tried to push the idea that NLs are /pol/, but I think maybe just maybe the Word Bearers.
>>47913138
>BAs
>/pol/
Nope I don't see it.
>>47913138
>EC, the most Aryan of the Ubermensch Legions, not /pol/
Righto.
>>47913129
Oh?
>>47913120
>Then what legion is.../pol/?
All of them.
>Gas the non-compliants
>Specieswar when?
>Le happy rogue trader
>Nocturne pls go
>Terranical education
>>47912927
EC since it is also the gayest legion. World Eaters are the /v/ legion and Word Bearers are the /r9k/ legion.
>>47913140
Yup
What super heavy should I get if I just want to crack multiple Rhinos open?
>>47913148
In book VI it describes as the BA being fanatically loyal and that fanaticism turns to burning rage if they encounter something that opposes whatever they're loyal to.
Perfect for expanding the realm of man, or arguing its merits on Warp-forums from dirty xenos immigrants.
>>47913129
calm down fulgrim
![the_beginning_of__heresy__by_morgaer-d5olylz[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZFcRCkF.jpg "the_beginning_of__heresy__by_morgaer-d5olylz[1].jpg")
Soon after the destruction of Monarchia . When Kor Phaeron, looking at a desperate son, first time thought that maybe the old gods were better than the new one.
>>47913164
Especially since the not-nazis Red Scorpions are totally not EC successors, right?
>Muh purity
>>47913120
>Then what legion is.../pol/?
They're all nazis, really, wiping out other races, mutants, etc. Even in M31, it's a grimdark setting.
>>47913190
Malcador
>>47913148
>Nope I don't see it
Dont be so sure
>>47913234
Malcador is a good grampa, he'd never destroy a Rhino.
Unless the Regent of Terra was a tank all along as well.
>>47909466
Is this worth it for starting a 30k army? I mean, it looks like it is, but I don't know. Can someone tell me?
>>47910463
>Don't see myself using 1.5 calth boxes
I'm planning on giving one to a friend, so there's that, I suppose.
I honestly have no clue though, the vehicles look nice, but will they be useful, or will I regret buying them?
>>47913247
Is there a Anvillus Dropoddadon in the SoH?
Magnus seems like the kind of drunk that would wake up in some random person's bed with no idea about what happened last night.
Biggest, hottest mess.
>>47913266
90 marines, 15 terminators, 2 lords of war, spartan, sicaran, achilles alpha, fireraptor.
listhammer before you buy anything.
>DA - /lgbt/
>IW - /k/
>WS - /n/ & /trv/
>IF - /diy/
>BA - /gd/
>UM - /biz/
>TS - /lit/
>WB - /x/
Just some thoughts, feel free to edit or add to thel ist
>Sallies - /ck/
>>47913266
The Typhon, Spartan, Sicaran and the Storm Eagle are popular options, the first two especially. The Achilles isn’t common but I wouldn’t say there’s anything wrong with it. The Cerberus is more of a fluffy option - the Sicaran Venator is a lot more popular. It’s still cool, though.
I didn’t realize you got all those heavy weapons in this set. That makes the second Calth box much more worthwhile (you wouldn’t take sixty normal tacs). It’s still more than you’ll probably use, so there’s a bit of waste – but also flexibility, and you can always share with your friend or sell the bits on eBay.
>>47913348
>>DA - /lgbt/
It's as if the legion had been made for /lgbt/
>>Sallies - /ck/
Is it because the legion looks like a red-eyed Ainsley Harriott?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCKBtsTk8eQ
>>47913348
>AL - /j/ and /q/
>>47913348
>>47913417
>AL: /s4s/. Everyone is trolling yet nobody is trolling anyone.
>>47913412
Because the barbie's already fired up and I assume they know some dope chicken recipes. Ainsley crossed my mind but that seemed raciss
>>47913417Pretty clever
>>47913210
Yes, please step over my feelings, hmrmhmm
>>47913340
Sorry anon, I'm new to this and thought I'd ask before buying anything.
>>47913373
Awesome, thanks mate! I'm not sure what legion my friend might go with, but so far I think he likes World Eaters the most, though I think he might also like Iron Hands. 40k wise, the guy's in love with the Charcarodons.
Also, fluff-wise, if we ever ran a campaign for fun or whatever, what reasons would traitor legions have to fight eachother?
>>47913332
Dayum, Maggie always belonged in the kitchen yup
>>47913462
TS are /lit/ but spend a lot of time communing with /b/
When Sigismund makes the charge.
>>47913615
>>47913615
>when the opposing challenger doesn't even get to hit back
>>47913615
>be BA player
>have IF player friend
>he plays very often
>he likes to bring Sigs
>mfw I dont give a single shit about BA characters because I know they'll just die
>>47913615
>when you have over 3000 points of painted 30k and absolutely nobody to play with
>>47913771
What's your area
>>47913771
Just hit 4000 points, never played a single game. Not too bothered, I'm mostly here for the fluff and to paint shit, but a game is definitely due
>>47913716
What does he run Sigs with?
I'm thinking about throwing him in a Spartan with some Templars.
>>47913783
Seattle area
>>47913804
Yeah I wasn't even counting my Kabuki Alpharius either. I just want to put all my FW vehicles down on the table once in my life.
I've narrowed down my choice to one of these four, but now I'm stuck.
Which army should I build/run?
>>47912284
>>47912350
>>47912568
I'd been thinking of min-sized recon squads with voxes and a Damocles. Everyone else deepstrikes.
>>47914012
Blackshields or BA.
>>47914012
Read a bit of https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k) , think of how you want to play and then you can make your choice.
What was your criteria for narrowing it down to those 4 to begin with?
>>47913954
Surely with his Blind abilities, Corax wins out as Designated Kabuki?
>>47914012
Night Lords.
>>47914012
Blackshields, by far. You may get tired of doing things the same way, and Blackshields are among the most versatile dudes around.
>>47914012
traitor BA would be neat
>>47914012
theres only one way to pick..
>>47914182
You're right dubs decodes
>>47914012
Blood Angels.
>>47914012
Night Lords
>>47914012
Dubs for ALjust kidding, Eight
>>47914061
>Read a bit of...
Already did, very helpful.
My criteria were rather broad. I can't honestly name a legion I don't like, and at times I've considered all of them. I narrowed down my choices to these three legions (+Blackshields) for a number of reason.
Night Lords: love the history, look, personality, and asshole nature of the legion. The dark blue with lightning looks amazing, and their bonuses when ganging up on weaker opponents strikes me as some of the best fluff-based rules design in the game. They're probably my favorite legion, but I'm wary since they're supposed to be so bad.
Alpha Legion: I actually think I like their 3e fluff a little better. Back then they turned traitor largely because they had a chip on their shoulder from being the last legion, and strove to be the best, fighting for Horus to prove their mettle.
I don't particularly care of the green thing they've got going on now (I prefer the darker, near-black look they used to sport), but their tactical flexibility speaks to me.
Blood Angels: Used to play them years ago, and regret selling off the army. I love their 30k upgrade kits (sleek, elegant models without a bunch of shit cluttering them up) and aggressive play style. I see 'em as a more brutal type of Emperor's Children, and rather like the idea of running them as a company who stayed loyal to Horus. They're also a bit like Night Lords in play style, but more competent.
Blackshields: the "do whatever the hell I want" choice. I love the proto-Renegade Marine vibe they have going on. I'm disappointed they can't use drop pods, but Marauder squads and the Wrought By War options are all a hell of a lot of fun. I love customization, and this is the (marine) for most tailored to that idea. Plus, I can run them as as pseudo-versions of any of the other 3 choices (option 3 Chymeriae, for example, are a bit like NLs and blood crazed BAs).
However, this would be the hardest force to use as a 40k army (Space Wolves, maybe?).
>>47913919
Either a small Templar unit or a whole jamboree of terminators sometimes with storm shields sometimes without
>>47914135
>Fidelitas Totalis
>>47914325
>They're probably my favorite legion, but I'm wary since they're supposed to be so bad.
if they are your favorite then play them.
NL arent bad by any means. NL are actually one of the stronger legions. they are better in clsoe combat than WE right now and terrorsquads can infiltrate with volkite. they can DS terminators. sevatar is great, kurze is great.
What Legion do you play/plan to play primarily when they're released?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
Has there evee been a reported loyalist Deathshroud? Or is it too far stretched to have a bodyguard of a Primarch disagreeing with him so badly he stayed loyalist while Morty went traitor?
>>47914012
Alpah Legion.
You are Alpharius, anon.
>>47914436
I think if you're at the point where you become a Deathshroud, your loyalty is sworn to your Primarch over anyone else, even the Emperor.
>>47906397
Christ if Ultramarines get another book before 3 other Legions get anything besides 2 Rites of War and some basic legion rules fw can get fucked
>>47913512
It’s hard to come up with a story without knowing which legions are involved. What are you thinking of doing? Are you the same anon with Traitor Blood Angels as a possibility? I second >>47914403 – NL are highly regarded, largely because morale matters more in HH than in 40k. They’re good, and if they weren’t, they’d eventually be improved. Then you’d regret not picking them.
It’s easier to pit traitors against each other, especially if Alpha Legion are involved. For anyone else, it’s usually because there’s a tangible prize somewhere, someone’s stepping on their turf (I mean fiefdom), they’re already getting mixed up in games between Chaos gods (or in the NL case, they’re not really siding with Chaos, just with Horus), they’re renegades from both sides (AL are sort of like that), or they just think they can get away with taking someone’s ship.
>>47914436
If you're trying to find justification of loyalist Deathshroud I could think of a good counts as.
Surely theres a selection process for admission into the Deathshroud right? Well of course there are failures, wash outs, flunks. Perhaps you could model a unit of a bunch of flunkies who didn't quite make the cut and resented their Primarch for passing them over for promotion to the Deathshroud. So when Morty betrayed they said eff this we're out, and banded together and left, a unit of very elite Death Guard who have the capabilities of the Deathshroud that met back up with loyalist forces at some point.
Maybe?
>>47914436
How many Deathshrouds are there? Because, while Corax says "do I look like I need a bodyguard?", Morty, who is also sneaky and goes solo, seems to have a full corps of them, either using them as a retinue, as shock troops and lending them to other VIPs (Terminator Praetors and Delegatii)
>>47914012
>traitor blood angels
WAT
>>47914752
There were loyalists and traitors in all of the legions. And don't forget, the Blood Angels were total bros with the Luna Wolves.
>>47914593
Ah, no I'm the Word Bearer anon. From >>47909614
>>47914325
NL arent bad, they're just more nuanced then other legions, you need to pick your fights but NL can have very mobile shit with access to drop pods and infiltrating infantry, have some nice CC units and bonuses but unlike WE or BA they also have a good way to support those units with Terror squads and Drop Pods plus bonus cover save during the night so they are not just about assaulting shit. Its like EC, you need to play to your strengths more than other legions and you get rewarded for that.
>>47914436
In canon fiction? Not yet
But they aren't a "Traitors Only" unit and if Abaddons 2W butt buddies can stay loyal, I'm sure one unit of death shroud could too
Question: why did FW decide to make the "theme" lists be legal only if both players agree? For a lot of people I know, that automatically makes that a "no."
At the very least it makes it impractical to build a Shattered Legion or Army of Dark Compliance; it's hard enough getting a game of 30k in without having to justify optional rules.
Why can't they just say something is legal or not. The grey area makes everything about it a pain.
>>47914752
>BA detachment is found by Horus, he grooms them with lies and power to become his own personal army of Blood Angels.
>BA that were left for dead on Signus, become possessed by demons who use their bodies to wage war in the warmaster's name.
>BA that have followed the example of WE and forsaken all allegiances to revel in the slaughter and their red thirst
Plenty of stuff that could make BA go rogue.
>>47914872
>Why can't they just say something is legal or not. The grey area makes everything about it a pain.
Why cant you just talk to your opponent? Its a social hobby for fucks sake. I think they did it because the lists can be really open to abuse and absurd bullshit AND because they were meant to be part of a campaign instead of just pick up games, FW may not be that great when it comes to balance but at least they try.
Talk to your opponent.
>>47914872
I do believe it is actually a much better choice than puting a clear line in this particular case.
It forces both people to agree on a point, therefore rendering any abuse more difficult than just giving the finger to the poor sod and saying that "it's not forbidden so I can do it".
30k is a lot more "casual" in my eyes, in that it is less prone to abuse and bad sportsmanship. That system of agreement helps with that.
>>47914872
I dont know anyone who would say no to a physical army of dark compliance or shattered legions.
I might tell someone who brings a Leviathan list to go fuck himself though.
>>47914872
>Question: why did FW decide to make the "theme" lists be legal only if both players agree?
probably because knew people would try to abuse +1S+1T to make bullshit lists.
>>47914947
>>47914925
In my LGS, almost no one will play against a 30k list. In fact, most refuse to consider anything from Forgeworld since they're convinced everything made of resin is broken. Like I said, it's hard enough getting a game in without explaining that FW itself seems to think there's something fishy about the option.
>>47914811
Read Betrayer - the Word Bearers and World Eaters fought together through Ultramar without always getting along very well. The WB were basically using the WE, who'd go berserk and kill everyone in sight, WB included. Good times.
(I'm exaggerating, but only a little bit.)
>>47914795
>And don't forget, the Blood Angels were total bros with the Luna Wolves
That went out of the window when Horus, you know, killed Sanguinius
>>47914795
>>47914887
BA traitors existed about as much as Imperial Fists traitors which is to say not really. They were not only fanatically devoted to and in love with Sanguinius on a level far greater than even Horus could engender, but also totally fucking pissed off about Signus. I think the closest you could get would be renegades who just left the Imperium during the time the major bulk of the legion was at Signus and even then there are multiple cases of BA remaining loyal and standing to their posts or simply going on a traitor fucking spree after Sanguinius disappeared.
Like their father they were pure little cinnamon buns of psychotic rage.
I'm not discounting it totally, but I doubt you'd get bigger than a couple squads of truly traitor "death to the false Emperor," Blood Angels.
>>47914980
Blackshield aren't a "theme." They're a legit list.
Only the Shattered Legion and Army of Dark Compliance lists are flagged as being theme-based.
Also keep in mind that Blackshields can't be used in a Shattered Legion list, and I'm pretty sure they can't be taken in an AoDC.
>>47914872
>Why can't they just say something is legal or not.
It's an admission that they have more potential for imbalance.
>>47914992
Well shit it's not FW's fault if your store is full of turbo-autists.
I almost never had competitive play in 30k, mostly fluffy ones, which might explain why I got rolled over so many times, but at least it's enjoyable. Try to get them on board for a short fluffy match, and maybe they'll havefun.
>>47915019
Which happened at the END of the Heresy.
>>47915021
Fair enough.
Reminder Lorgar Aurelian is the best primarch, the holy XVII is the greatest legion, and the progeny of Guilliman's collective ass still burns red hot and will be shown by the disagreeing ultrasue responses to this post
>>47914012
>>47914325
Okay, so Blood Angels are out because people will evidently get pissed if they're run as traitors.
That leaves Lords, Alphas, and Shields.
>>47914992
They're not really meant to be played against each other. Not necessarily unbalanced, but not checked for it. Can't you just come up with a 40k SM codex list that works with your FW models?
>>47915109
How can you be the best legion when you werent chosen to be the Emperor's personal bodyguard? Checkmate heretics.
>>47915120
If I'm investing the thousands of USD necessary to build a Horus Heresy army and get the books, I'm going to use them.
>>47915143 (You)
typo, meant to say
"I'm going to WANT to use them."
As in, use them as the 30k army I made them to be.
>>47915116
Mate, if Nl are your favorite, go with NL. Simple as that. You'll end up regretting it otherwise, in my experience.
>>47915021
>Like their father they were pure little cinnamon buns of psychotic rage.
That's how Khorne gets new followers.
But book 6 discusses some Blood Angels that didn’t go to Sygnus and had no idea what was happening there. They could’ve gone either way.
And at Sygnus, you’d just need one Chaos god or another to communicate with a BA to shake his faith the Imperial Truth to the core. They’re emotional marines – seeing the devastation done to that world, learning that old superstitions are real… surely it’d make some of them doubt. I don’t think it’s so far-fetched.
IF and UM are more difficult, and the loyalist legions involved at Isstvan V
>>47915187
well if nobody wants to play against your 30k army, then your choice is ether run them as 40k SM or dont play...
using 40k SM rules works better against 40k armies anyway since 30k is underpowered
>>47915199
>>47915116
Maybe paint them in a way that they could be run as either NL or BS?
>>47915109
Keep praying, altar boy
>>47915312
>iron warriors
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