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Drop It Already Edition
Good morning, Calth! Sub-Edition
In the last bread Titan names were discussed, the requirements for plastic Spartans were mentioned, one Anon mentioned his times using Angron, new red books are coming out, I pray that ignorant meme spouters get their fingers broken and much more that I have forgotten due to just waking up >>47890174
Red Book Links:
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.zippyshare.com%2Fv%2Fs15Jqk1t%2Ffile.html
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmega.nz%2F%23!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg
HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8aqx9j3a8erqv8d/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_6_-_Retribution.pdf or
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkat.cr%2Fthe-horus-heresy-book-6-retribution-pdf-t12199249.html
HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
Crusade Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
Given how you take lyrics from Mozart's Requiem for Titan names I say Titans listen to classical music at Titan Daycare.
Still looking for where I can get this to hang on my wall
Shadow Crusade Part Deux when?
>>47906369
Above your bed.
>>47906397
Never.
IT IS DONE. Ave dominus nox. Prepare for terrible images.
>>47906544
HQs+apothecaries
>>47906554
Terminators+tactical support
>>47906564
Heavy support squad+dreads
>>47906569
Veteran squad+terror squads
>>47906578
And finally raptors.
>>47906564
Is volkite and mk 2 armour an established combination? I've seen it more than once
>>47906544
>>47906554
>>47906564
>>47906569
>>47906578
>>47906585
Nice Batmarines. 10/10. Would be midnight clad with.
>>47906606
All weapons and all armor are acceptable combinations.
The reason that particular pair shows up a lot is because they both imply an older marine, most likely a Terran, who's been in service since the early Great Crusade, or possibly even the War of Unification.
>>47906544
very pretty but god damn is armor and artillery going to wreck your mans, I hope your meta is more forgiving then most!
>>47906369
I have got the poster of this on my wall :^)
for a 3k list should i run:
dual spartan + typhon
dual spartan + phosphex thudd guns
spartan + typhon + phosphex thudd guns
i want the theme to be a brutal as fuck armored spearhead/linebreaker/siege breaker
>>47906369
Shit that's a shame I think I had it a long time ago and got rid if it when moving out. I would have sent it to you otherwise.
>>47906744
Care to share where you got it?
>>47906544
Ave Dominus Nox brother!
>>47907288
Now I might be talking shit since I had it a loooong time ago, but THINK I either had it thanks to a WD, or a Gamesday. Again, I'm not sure.
What you can try to do is contacting Warhammer Art. They might do it just for you. It'll cost you quite a lot though, since it'll be more than a simple poster.
>>47907386
Shit, that's what I was afraid of. I might be able to get it from one of those websites that make custom posters and just make sure to get a good frame for it so it doesn't look like ass or get damaged. On the plus side, in my search I managed to come across pic related on a T-shirt which I've ordered on a pleasing navy blue. Nice and simple, something I can wear in public. So I guess it wasn't in vain
>>47906544
That's a big army.
>>47907626
I wish the Exorcists had black shoulders. Then I could straight up run my 30k Word Bearers as them, and they'd still look fluffy.
Anyways, post your headcanon.
>Were the chapter icon different, and the shoulders black, you would mistake him for a Word Bearer.
>>47908353
IIRC they didn't all have the black of the Gal Vorbak, otherwise why would all the 40k WBs be pure red?
>>47908389
At Calth the Word Bearers changed their colors to the red and black of the Serrated Suns chapter.Please be the right pic.
Rate my Heresy-era, Alpha Legion-aligned Knight House, /tg/?
House Xyrax
Clohvis Xyrax, Disciple-in-Extraordinary, piloting Memoriam Vindicta (Cerastus Knight Acheron)
Dmitrius Xyrax, Disciple-in-Ordinary, piloting Infernum Omnia (Cerastus Knight Lancer)
Helena Xyrax, Disciple-in-Ordinary, piloting Aestus Congnitio (Cerastus Knight Castigator)
Castrius Xyrax, Scion, piloting Terraemotus Incarnadine (Cerastus Knight Atrapos)
1/2
>>47908353
I have a few headcanons that depend on your view point if they're stupid or not.
>Cabal are going to get the 40k equalivant to a Texas wedgie after the Age of Darkness and were Chaos puppets
>Autek was Andrew Jackson in a past life
>the new fluff that is nothing but garbage never happened
>Scoria becomes a high ranking member of the Dark Mechanicus, and Xana 2 is covered in 20% of his self portraits. Half of them are either actual paintings or gears and cogs moving around in his likeness.
>half way during the Siege of Terra it became known as "Operation: Enduring Clusterfrak" as the influence of the Warp started to give a hint at the Traitor Legions' future cooperation and organization skills
>World Eaters started going crazier and were turning on just about everything
>Death Guard was too slow to start picking up the pace
>this was the period when the EC started to turn their depraved intentions towards the civilians
>Word Bearers stopped fighting and started building temples to Chaos
>Lorgar kept on trying to turn Terra into a daemon world but was denied by Big E's influence constantly
>1K Sons were unsupported enough to be effective
>Aloha Legion starting who know what
>this left the SoHs and IWs to start picking up the slack
>NLs finally arrived and got told to start picking up the slack
>tfw
>Horus eventually screamed into their minds to knock off the stupidity and get back to work
>Operation: Enduring Clusterfrak ended and Horus lamented how he was the master of broken monsters again
2/2
Based in the Jordyte Depths, Knight House Xyrax developed in tandem, or rather, in oppisition to, the Knights of House Graith. Both Houses owe their standing in-sector to the aid they have provided over the centuries to the military needs of both the Jorditian Confederation Commercial and Chyronaea Forge. By enmeshing themselves militarily and politically in both camps, Graith and Xyrax saw a plethora of benefits. In the case of the former, House Graith rose to a position of great wealth, with riches heaped upon them by the grateful Spacing and Mining Lords of the Confederation Commercial. Over the centuries, they gradually involved themselves in not only the courtly affairs and belligerent sallies of a Knightly House, but merchant trading, shipping, and mining venture, making the House a fearsome commercial entity in its own right. There are whispers of instances where the Baron of Graith turned a blind eye on and a deaf ear to pleas for aid from mining settlements in the belts that found themselves set upon by raiders only to further the merchant interests of his own house. Conversely, House Xyrax was privy to the very best equipment Chyronaea Forge could provide; allowing it to field, despite its comparatively small size, some of the best and rarest engine-patterns during its own sallies. In doing, Xyrax developed upon a different path to Graith, becoming more akin to what would be recognizable to Imperial citizens as Mechanicum disciples than an old Knight House. This is reflected in the titles the members of Xyrax themselves bear. Opposing the Baron of House Graith stands the Disciple-in-Extraordinary of Xyrax, or Dex Xyraxi. Despite the formidable combat record it has always held, Xyrax has perennially played second-fiddle to the more politically powerful and engine-numerous House Graith, who have on many an occasion used their sheer commercial weight to purchase engines and equipment from under the noses of Xyrax.
>>47908738
>>47908767
I want to know how they became AL allies.
>>47908353
>Alpharius is the traitor of the 2, being found by Horus like the well known story of hil making his wayto his command bridge with his tiny ass fleet. He's the one that crashed on an empty planet before killing pirates and stealing their ships.
>Omegon is the loyalist one, the one that defended a planet against a worm like species, got abducted and tortured before being found by Empy. He kept Omegon close to him to repair the toll torture and mind control had taken ipon the Primarch, as well as teachin him to become his Spec Ops guy. Hence Omegon staying loyalist and sometimes helping Loyalists while making it look like he's a traitor. Double agent basically.
Just using the FW fluff and choosing the interpretation that seems the more logical.
>>47908853
After compliance, the sector’s military spent the better part of a century of void warfare and void-structure clearance warfare ‘managing’ the issue of xenos and raider enclaves within the numerous asteroid belts and fields of the depths internally, until intervention by the 5th Harrow of the Alpha Legion, who were able to rapidly prosecute both known and previously unknown holdouts within the fields, including a remarkably belligerent hrud infestation and numerous eldar raider bases. Within a year of their arrival in 986.M30, the XX Legion, under the command of Consul Shale Xorn, had affected total compliance of the belts and fields of the Jordyte Depths. During this time, House Xyrax, still suffering a slow wane of their status in-sector thanks to their relative failure as participants in the century-long extermination, eagerly seconded themselves to the command of the XX Legion, with the third Dex Xyraxi in less an the 100 years seeing it as a chance to redeem his House's reputation. The Legion, for it's part, readily deployed House Xyrax where it could. The serpent worked it's way into Xyrax's largely Mechanicum-infused iconography, not at the best of Legion but rather due to the eagerness of the Dex.
At the outbreak of the Heresy, the current Dex, Clohvis Xyrax, is newly-arisen to his seat, and painfully aware of the expectations his ancestor's failures, the expectations of his siblings, and the ever-rising star of House Graith. When the Alpha Legion returns to the Depths, it finds itself with an eager ally who does not ask questions.
>>47908981
I am surprised by the lack of AL infiltration and sleeper agents. Not bad at all, Anon. 10/10. What happened to the other House?
>>47907517
> in my search I managed to come across pic related on a T-shirt
Source, battle-brother?
>>47909058
A really, really big Harrowing.
And thanks! I kind of wanted this to be outright emotional manipulation, of the XX taking advantage at the right time, rather than the usual sparatoi shenanigans. Not to say, however, that there aren't agents sewn amongst Xyrax's sacristans.
>>47909099
I'm giving you bonus points for this being not completely AL agents, Anon. Sounds better than the fluff for my Knight Houses.
>A really, really big Harrowing
Just how big we talking about here?
>>47908353
Red hunters are loyalist word bearers who changed their name in the second founding with the help of the inquisition.
>>47909153
Luring the majority of House Graith onto an asteroid, killing most of them in an ambush, then blowing up the asteroid by throwing another asteroid at it.
>>47909216
>Using the power of the stone
These ALs were smart. What is the final fate of House Xyrax?
I find it amusing that you can run an army of baby's first destroyers using Outlander Blackshields' maruaders. Give 'em an extra bolt pistol and rad grenades to the Sergeant and they can act like a lite version of destroyers. Worse in just about every way, save max numbers, but still a fun idea.
>>47908353
I wouldn't complain. Go for it; I love the idea of building armies which can be used in both games.
>>47908353
Omegon was in constant communication with the Emperor and disappeared after the alpha legion civil war, sending his loyalist AL into hiding across the galaxy in small cells. They currently help the Imperium and are only known to a very small cabal of Inquisitors. The rest of the AL are legit chaos although that was part of the plan.
At the Emperors request he helped malcador create the grey Knights using his plethora of stolen technology and the gene seed codex that the AL stole from the Ravens guard (which Omegon stole specifically to keep out of the hands of Horus)
He became Janus, the first grand master and in true AL fashion, removed himself from the GK and gave them the belief that they never had a primarch. He is currently buried on Titan in stasis and will be awoken if the Terminus Decree is used, which is when the master stroke of the ALs plan will go into motion.
>>47908353
Consider magnetising the pauldrons.
>>47909271
They [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] at the [REDACTED] of [REDACTED] until the final [REDACTED] to [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] ultimately leading to [REDACTED] and the [REDACTED]
In all seriousness, no idea. I'm an XX player so I don't deal in endings well since the history of the AL is so goddamn opaque. Part of the fun, really.
>>47909299
It's all...parta the plan.
>>47909351
>In all seriousness, no idea. I'm an XX player so I don't deal in endings well since the history of the AL is so goddamn opaque. Part of the fun, really.
I didn't imagine it like that, Anon.
>>47909392
Are you disappoint, Anon?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Legion-Devastation-Force
By my calculations this saves me about 30$ and a poster.
The real question is is it worth it for starting up a 30k army?
>>47906544
Love you, Night-man.
You are an inspiration.
>>47907305
Bat Marines somehow rule this general it seems.
Please dont skin me.
>>47909413
>>47909413
No. Not really. A little mystery can go a long way with me.
>>47909519
Now I just need a colour scheme.
>>47909466
Fuuuuk.
I feel poor now.
No idea man, but three boxes is 15 termies, three eggs and ..90 boots.
Hooi.
Thats a load of guys.
Which Legion do you aim for?
>>47909351
An interview with an Alpha LegionSerf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVvJBjhMIw8
>>47909466
>After you have placed your order please contact the Forge World Customer Service Team with your order number and your choice of Legion from: Alpha Legion, Death Guard, Emperor's Children, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Night Lords, Raven Guard, Salamanders, Sons of Horus, Ultramarines, Word Bearers, World Eaters.
>Every legion with full rules can be a poster
>Except IW
This is not how you make up for Dorn not having a model.
>>47909570
>>Every legion with full rules can be a poster
>>Except IW
Decimation for you! Decimation for your cow!
>>47909549
I'm thinking Word Bearers. I'll probably give one of the boxes to my friend who's interested as a gift.
>>47909600
It basically looks like the IW pillaged a garbage dump and clad themselves in filthy shit.
>>47909614
Thats nice of you.
I am a bit sad its all MKIV...doesnt fit the IH I want...
Really, the only thing stopping me.
>>47909600
Am I the only one who actually *likes* the IW contemptor? I think it actually looks really cool, and it fits their aesthetic.
The upgrade sprue is a bit nonsensical I'll agree, but it's not that objectively awful looking if you ignore the fact that it has nothing to do with IW.
>>47909691
Most people hate the giant star and the offset belt buckle of the chest pieces.
On the subject of the contemptor, I think people would hate it less if it had a different head, the current one just looks daft
>>47909691
I like it.
Maybe its some merican gun tribe lone star (muh texas) stuff, MKII also points there.
>>47909691
On the dread, I think it just looks to...haphazard? The bolted on pieces don't really speak 'Legion' to me. The aesthetic of the DG is much more on point.
>>47909745
The DG dread us a regular egg with mk2 helmet with minimal legion iconography.
Love it though.
>>47909745
>I think it just looks to...haphazard? The bolted on pieces don't really speak 'Legion' to me.
I think thats the point, a dread with wonky field repairs thats ready to go into the meatgrinder again. They werent called the Corpse Grinders for nothing, anyone is expendable.
>>47909781
Yeah that was the DG's whole thing, they weren't big on all the medals and glorification, they preferred to let the armours battle damage do the talking
>>47907288
anon that posted that here, I got it from a WD when they first announced the Horus heresy minis
what RoW do people usually run WB With?
>>47909904
Last of the serrated suns is actually pretty good if you don't use it to take Gal Vorbak
>>47909626
Given how they're basically left on their own to procure whatever reinforcements and spare parts they can get on their own, does this mean the IW are the hobo legion?
>>47909691
Yes you are, this guy >>47909733 is a lie.
I mean, sure, the skull face is cringy, but it doesn't help that doesn't look Sheated in Steel, but in random Garbage.
>>47909541
What do have in mind so far?
>>47909952
I was not lying, jzst thinking aloud.
>>47909087
It was on redbubble.the guy wearing it looks like a total fag, but what do you exist with these things?
http://www.redbubble.com/people/littlehorus/works/20574249-devourer-of-worlds?grid_pos=10&p=t-shirt>>47909099
>>47909466
imo, it's far more than you'll ever need and the savings are tiny in comparison to the cost. I don't see myself using more than 1.5 Calth boxes for a single army.
>>47908981
This is really well thought out.
I want to build a IF army based around The Stone Gauntlet with warders protecting my shooters.
What would /tg/ recommend for a HQ and support?
As I mentioned last time I have sigismund, a dreadnought, a land raider phobos, and a vindicator.
>>47910569
Thanks Anon!
>>47910642
Pollux is a better choice than Sigismund for Stone Gauntlet, I think
>>47910786
You can't DS with The Stone Gauntlet.
>>47909952
>>47909626
Everything is explained!
>>47910786
What does Pollux do better? I have the rulebook but I don't understand the buffs yet.
>>47910803
DS meaning deep strike?
>>47906585
>>47906578
>>47906569
>>47906564
>>47906554
>>47906544
Squanchy lookin' squanches you got there, anon. However, I do have one question: where's the primack?
>>47910982
Yes
>>47909600
>>47910192
I actually like that Contemptor, but these chest plates looks like out of cartoon for children.
>>47909928
Did anyone ever find out if that RoW actually works? Because RAW it cannot be fielded because all units that cannot deep strike must buy a drop pod which is an immobile unit but the army cannot include any immobile units.
>>47911321
Drop pods are not immobile. When they arrive they become immobilized, but they don't start out so.
I'm planning on making a Blackshields army, but I'm having trouble deciding which flavor to go with.
The only Wrought by War that does appeal to me is the Death Seekers option.
Option 1 Chymeriea seems like the most solid option. A flat, free boost to S and T in exchange for a lowered Init seems like a good trade.
Orphans of War used to be my favorite Wrought by War choice, but that requires keeping units grouped into twos or more to get their rule. While the rerolls to hit are nice, it would be harder to have units go off and do their own thing: they'd get no benefits at all.
So that leaves Outlanders. The rad grenades are a nice option, and getting some deepstriking units can be useful, but losing half the army means you basically lose the game. That's just nasty.
On the other hand, The Nemean Reaver is a great HQ. On the other other hand, the deathlock looks pretty worthless to me. Taking enough to be a threat to an enemy unit would make them more dangerous to firing unit.
Thematically I like all three of those options. "Enhanced" astartes pirates going off doing their own thing, mercenaries using xeno technology, or a cadre of dedicated soldiers just trying to get by.
I just don't now what to to.
I've heard a bit about the tactics Option1 chymeriae can use, but haven't heard much about Outlanders or Orphans. Does anyone have experience using either of these types of Blackshields?
I'd prefer to make heavy use of marauders.
What are some recommended low cost Hqs to run for low point games where you need to max out the points you have to get stuff on the board.
im trialling out a seige breaker on a jetbike with meltabombs at the moment.
anyone had success with anything else?
>>47911340
You are like little child
>>47911346
Chaplains and Delegatus (Delegatii?)
>>47909952
>>47910929
DG dread makes a half decent IW dread with a little tweaking
>>47910066
I still don't understand why FW/GW doesn't just sell a whole bunch of legion/race shirts, they would sell a ton of them
this is the design of 2 shirts that they sold at iirc some event, looks amazing I'd gladly shell out money for this
>>47911477
I want IW, SoH and TS.
>>47911477
Yeah, I'd have to buy AL, EC, and WB.
>>47911371
In the right sidebar it says "once it has deployed." Between that and common fucking sense, it's not immobile prior to the game.
>>47911647
But it has the Immobile rule. Last of the Serrated Sun says it cannot include models that are Immobile. It's pretty clear.
>>47911697
0/10 would not play against
Also, Where the hell is this RoW? Finding them in the books is a lot harder than it needs to be.
>>47911862
Page 193 of book VI my compadre
>>47911697
Well I doubt Forgeworld would include the RoW just so some rules lawyer states 'duh look it's immobile you can't do it' clearly it's something Forgworld just forgot so yeah you can take them in the RoW
>>47911889
Thanks.
There are a lot of sentences specifically allowing drop pods in that RoW, even requiring them. Do dedicated transports count as "units"?
>>47911477
>>47911593
The IW's t-shirt
>>47911901
>>47911970
It's more about the principle. In practice if I ever played a Word Bearer I wouldn't have a problem with him bring drop pods with this rite.
However, it's a really blatant contradiction one which could have easily been avoided with any amount of fact checking or peer review that obviously FW didn't put into the design (obvious because of this and many other contradictions and oversights).
Some people enjoy HH for the game more than the fluff and I think that's okay. When we pay so many hundreds of monies for these books and models and invest so much time into this hobby I don't think it's too much to ask of FW to consider people who want to have the structured environment to play a game with clear bounds and rules. It's easy to say "just house rule it," but my reason for pointing this particular contradiction out is my response to that "we shouldn't have to."
>>47912047
>inb4 get over it you WAACfag
>>47912047
get over it you WAACfag
>>47912080
Curse my precognition
>>47911057
I only use my guys.
>>47912047
I'd just as soon argue RAW, seeing as drop pods are not considered immobile UNTIL PLAY, rather than being set up in the field as a static object.
It's like having a rhino deployed at the start of the game that gets wrecked turn 1 before moving; it didn't start the game immobile, that's not in it's rules, but it is immobile from the beginning to the end.
>>47912217
Yeah but in the Drop Pod entry it states it having the Immobile special rule
HH General! I ordered two ten man tactical squads an a mk2 command unit for my 500pt Blackshield list.
The armies focus is going to be on troop durability and firepower superiority via static gunlines. I'm considering buying a Basilisk or a Rapier battery in addition to some Apothicaries.
What would /tg/ recommend as a next purchase in a gunline list?
Whats a good way to use the new IF RoW? I just cant think of any and I hate Phalanx.
>>47912101
Curzes!
>>47912237
The box description says "once it has deployed". Lots of rules only apply once something has happened.
I have 3 Castellax with darkfire cannons that I intend on fielding with a Praevian. What I want to know is how effective are Darkfire cannons and what's the best way of using them?
The Castellax will be able to Infiltrate due to the LA:RG rule if this changes anything.
Just infiltrate them up a flank and snipe side armour? Any other neat tricks I could pull off with them?
>>47912237
Exactly thank you, anon.
>>47912217
The RoW doesn't say units that a are immobilized. It is referencing the Immobile rule, possessed by pods and tarantulas.
>>47912284
It's for people with BaC armies. Footsloggers only work if you can teleport, infiltrate, or something else to get you closer.
>>47912317
Got any examples of other things like this happening?
>>47912317
To give an example, a unit has Tank Hunter, which only applies once the unit interacts with a tank. But you wouldn't say the unit doesn't have Tank Hunter until it shoots or assaults a tank. The unit is a Tank Hunter unit.
Besides like I said it's really not the point, the point is contradictions like these shouldn't be around in the first place. Or failing that, they should be answered in a timely manner with a confident singular voice.
>>47912326There are three uses of “immobile” in the game:
A damage state after having your tracks shot off, or after a drop pod lands
A universal special rule - the one we’ve been arguing about
A unit type in its profile, e.g. Tarantulas are “Artillery (Immobile)”
I suspect the RoW limitation was supposed to be about the third, not the second. Drop pods are “Vehicle (Open-topped, Transport (Special))” – not immobile. I think “(Special)” refers to the unit becoming Immobile after deployment, but it isn’t clear.
>>47911889
Also explicitly states you can take dreadclaws as well, at least for gal vorbak. Those are very much not immobile
>>47912284
Take dreadclaws, enjoy your 2+ jink saves the turn you enter
>>47912469
>>47912473
Well, again, the actual contradiction itself is really not the point. Like I said even though I was the one who pointed it out in this thread, I can see the obvious meaning of the rule. The problem is that this contradiction exists at all.
>>47912284
>>47912350
I was thinking about how I'd run this, because I really want to buy Phalanx Warders and think it would awesome to have them arranged in a circle with shields facing outwards after deep striking. I'd probably take 3 Dreadclaws for 2 Tactical Squads and the Command Squad since it opens up the Fast Attack slots and then take Phalanx Warders for the Imperial Fist version of artillery with circles of shields dropping all over the field and blinding opponents.
>>47912321
Infiltrating S7 AP2 Lance weapons aren't enough for you? Well, I guess you could give the Praevian camaleoline and infiltrate them in cover to make those T7 W4 Castellaxii get a 3+/5++/4+++
Say, doesn't the Praevian gives the unit Infiltrate already? So those Darkfire cannons could also become Tank Hunters, not to mention at close range the Praevian would give the unit PE as long as he lands the shot. Maybe give him a bolter?
>>47911419
It's just better to go with Leviathan at this point.
>>47912521
It's not really a problem to anyone who's sane. I can see how the rule over free [REDACTED] is unclear and causes debate, but this particular one is so absurd that no one's actually going to try to get lists using this RoW disqualified from play.
Only robots explode when presented with a contradiction. That's why they've been banned from the 40k universe.
>>47912578
I don't actually know how effective Str7 is at getting rid of tanks. Playing my first game this weekend. 1d4chan says the Lance rule doesn't mean anything due to the strength of the Castellax - could you/someone explain why this is please?
Damn, didn't think about the PE deal. Wasn't sure about the volkite Serpenta on the Praevian anyway.
>>47912595
You're throwing out the possibility that this hobby is cunt free.
The fact that the rite can actually still function without drop pods as >>47912473 pointed out makes my point a little stronger. Someone could argue that you can't bring pods and that the rite is meant to be composed almost entirely of Gal Vorbak in dreadclaws to represent the remnants of the Serrated Sun. The fact that we are having this conversation at all proves that even what some people perceive as small contradictions or loop holes can be caught by people.
Imagine if I was a WAAC who actually didn't believe this rite is meant to have pods.
>>47912595
>Only robots explode when presented with a contradiction
Not always. In fact, that's a problem when they fail to accept they should be dead and they simply...keep coming at you.
>>47912131
>go fuck yourself and stop bringing your primarch to every game
Gets me every fucking time
>>47912640
Sure I can, I wrote it.
The wiki actually says it's the Furious Charge rule what doesn't mean anything due to S6 already wounding marines on a 2+, while even when boosted until S7 it still won't ID those 2W termies.
As for the Lance rule, Armoured Ceramite wont protect that AV14 LR to become AV12 and get penetrated (mmm) on a 6.
>>47912640
Lance will make anything AV13+ into AV12. Which is all well and good, except you're still glancing that on a 5 and penetrating on a 6. Doable? Absolutely, and it's a sure sight better chance than you had against a Spartan when you didn't have Lance. Lance is good, S7 is just ever so slightly underwhelming with it.
>>47912657
zombie marine/taghmata list when?
>>47912743
It'll help with those t5 (or dreaded t6 blackshield) bikers though
>>47911477
I have the EC shirt and I love it. I wear it very often, and it motivates me to strive for perfection. I even started to lift, and will, most likely, be ripped as fuck by next summer. I even wear it at parties. I once made out with a 7 year younger chick with blue hair while wearing it.
You guys should get one too, just to get inspired to strive for perfection.
>>47912743
Gotcha, that makes sense. Thanks man, love getting a brief rundown on units from 1d4chan.
>>47912760
Riiight, thanks Anon.
I look forward to unleashing the stealth Castellax amongst a tank heavy backline
>>47912799
Fulgrim, pls
>>47912799
So when do you plan on betraying your father and grinding up human bones to get insanely high?
>>47912799
so the EC shirt comes with a free Slaanesh demon inside it?
>>47912781
True, but Furious Assault only triggers when it is you the one charging. As in, somehow those Castellax caught up with dudes that move 12", can turboboost and may even ignore terrain. Deredeo-fat chance.
And even without FA, their PE and Rage lets them inflict ~1.8 unsaved wounds each on T5 at S6 anyway (but if what you want is melee then you should probably go Vorax?).
>>47912657
Is that one of the iron hands zombie abominations?
>>47912838
Since my dad constantly mocked (and still mocks) me with "I'll never see you become a man!", I'm going to become a famous playboy billionaire. Only then will he have my permission to die.
>>47912845
Only if you didn't have one already.
>>47912799
>I once made out with a 7 year younger chick
Y'know, for a second there, I thought you meant something different.
>>47912879
Yeah, I misspelled.
>>47912799
>I even started to lift
>started
EC confirmed for not making it.
>>47912905
Which is the /fit/ legion? I'm thinking WE.
>>47912799
Then I'm afraid of buying the DG shirt, lest I stop bathing, become bloated and get cancerous AIDS.
...or I could walk through walls and safely ram buildings with vehicles? The potential benefits are too good to ignore.
>>47912927
Thousand Sons, pavoni psykers just reshape themselves into perfection.
>>47912963
But that's cheating. It puts them on the same level as the Iron Hands, the plastic surgery legion.
>>47912927
EC, because they're obsessed with it?
>>47912927
BA, EC, and WE
EC super into aesthetics, WE go full bearmode, BA a fusion of the two.
>>47912927
i dl 5pl8 for reps and i play WE, so i believe it
Rolled 8, 4, 4, 2, 1 = 19 (5d8)
>>47912987
Here, roll five D8 because I have no idea what you just said
>>47906369
I found my copy while throwing some stuff out this morning. Gonna get it framed.
>Captcha: select all images with tea
>mfw 4chan knows I'm a britbong
>>47912647
>Imagine if I was a WAAC who actually didn't believe this rite is meant to have pods.
I'm having trouble imagining it. I get what you're saying - I mean, we can all see the problem, but I haven't yet met anyone in the 30k scene bad enough to take it seriously.
>>47912657
Aren't Mechanicum automata not quite robots?
>>47912927
I assume the pecs and six-packs that the Blood Angels sculpt onto their armor are also present on their... black carapace? Hm, dunno if the carapace gets in the way.
>>47912979
Iron Hands are /g/ or possibly /v/
>>47913011
>>47912987
I'll translate: I can deadlift ~220kg multiple times in a row before fatigue sets in
Good job bro, I'll be aiming for a PR of 165kg for reps later today, wish me luck
>>47913033
it means i could break you in half. kek
>>47913063
>Aren't Mechanicum automata not quite robots?
Cybernetica Cortexes are but a step away from becoming Abominable Intelligences on their own, and Scyllax (not real battle-automata) tend to gain a good measure of self awareness, so, yeah.
>>47913069
Then what legion is.../pol/?
Ye Olde Imperial Heralds?
>>47913093
ur gonna make it brah just grip n rip that shit
>>47913095
I don't know about being broken in half, but I like being broken in
>>47913120
>Then what legion is.../pol/?
all of them except EC and salamanders
>>47913120
What's that about the scyllax? Sounds cool, is it in their unit entry?
>>47913120
One dude tried to push the idea that NLs are /pol/, but I think maybe just maybe the Word Bearers.
>>47913138
>BAs
>/pol/
Nope I don't see it.
>>47913138
>EC, the most Aryan of the Ubermensch Legions, not /pol/
Righto.
>>47913129
Oh?
>>47913120
>Then what legion is.../pol/?
All of them.
>Gas the non-compliants
>Specieswar when?
>Le happy rogue trader
>Nocturne pls go
>Terranical education
>>47912927
EC since it is also the gayest legion. World Eaters are the /v/ legion and Word Bearers are the /r9k/ legion.
>>47913140
Yup
What super heavy should I get if I just want to crack multiple Rhinos open?
>>47913148
In book VI it describes as the BA being fanatically loyal and that fanaticism turns to burning rage if they encounter something that opposes whatever they're loyal to.
Perfect for expanding the realm of man, or arguing its merits on Warp-forums from dirty xenos immigrants.
>>47913129
calm down fulgrim
![the_beginning_of__heresy__by_morgaer-d5olylz[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZFcRCkF.jpg "the beginning of heresy by morgaer-d5olylz[1]")
Soon after the destruction of Monarchia . When Kor Phaeron, looking at a desperate son, first time thought that maybe the old gods were better than the new one.
>>47913164
Especially since the not-nazis Red Scorpions are totally not EC successors, right?
>Muh purity
>>47913120
>Then what legion is.../pol/?
They're all nazis, really, wiping out other races, mutants, etc. Even in M31, it's a grimdark setting.
>>47913190
Malcador
>>47913148
>Nope I don't see it
Dont be so sure
>>47913234
Malcador is a good grampa, he'd never destroy a Rhino.
Unless the Regent of Terra was a tank all along as well.
>>47909466
Is this worth it for starting a 30k army? I mean, it looks like it is, but I don't know. Can someone tell me?
>>47910463
>Don't see myself using 1.5 calth boxes
I'm planning on giving one to a friend, so there's that, I suppose.
I honestly have no clue though, the vehicles look nice, but will they be useful, or will I regret buying them?
>>47913247
Is there a Anvillus Dropoddadon in the SoH?
Magnus seems like the kind of drunk that would wake up in some random person's bed with no idea about what happened last night.
Biggest, hottest mess.
>>47913266
90 marines, 15 terminators, 2 lords of war, spartan, sicaran, achilles alpha, fireraptor.
listhammer before you buy anything.
>DA - /lgbt/
>IW - /k/
>WS - /n/ & /trv/
>IF - /diy/
>BA - /gd/
>UM - /biz/
>TS - /lit/
>WB - /x/
Just some thoughts, feel free to edit or add to thel ist
>Sallies - /ck/
>>47913266
The Typhon, Spartan, Sicaran and the Storm Eagle are popular options, the first two especially. The Achilles isn’t common but I wouldn’t say there’s anything wrong with it. The Cerberus is more of a fluffy option - the Sicaran Venator is a lot more popular. It’s still cool, though.
I didn’t realize you got all those heavy weapons in this set. That makes the second Calth box much more worthwhile (you wouldn’t take sixty normal tacs). It’s still more than you’ll probably use, so there’s a bit of waste – but also flexibility, and you can always share with your friend or sell the bits on eBay.
>>47913348
>>DA - /lgbt/
It's as if the legion had been made for /lgbt/
>>Sallies - /ck/
Is it because the legion looks like a red-eyed Ainsley Harriott?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCKBtsTk8eQ
>>47913348
>AL - /j/ and /q/
>>47913348
>>47913417
>AL: /s4s/. Everyone is trolling yet nobody is trolling anyone.
>>47913412
Because the barbie's already fired up and I assume they know some dope chicken recipes. Ainsley crossed my mind but that seemed raciss
>>47913417Pretty clever
>>47913210
Yes, please step over my feelings, hmrmhmm
>>47913340
Sorry anon, I'm new to this and thought I'd ask before buying anything.
>>47913373
Awesome, thanks mate! I'm not sure what legion my friend might go with, but so far I think he likes World Eaters the most, though I think he might also like Iron Hands. 40k wise, the guy's in love with the Charcarodons.
Also, fluff-wise, if we ever ran a campaign for fun or whatever, what reasons would traitor legions have to fight eachother?
>>47913332
Dayum, Maggie always belonged in the kitchen yup
>>47913462
TS are /lit/ but spend a lot of time communing with /b/
When Sigismund makes the charge.
>>47913615
>>47913615
>when the opposing challenger doesn't even get to hit back
>>47913615
>be BA player
>have IF player friend
>he plays very often
>he likes to bring Sigs
>mfw I dont give a single shit about BA characters because I know they'll just die
>>47913615
>when you have over 3000 points of painted 30k and absolutely nobody to play with
>>47913771
What's your area
>>47913771
Just hit 4000 points, never played a single game. Not too bothered, I'm mostly here for the fluff and to paint shit, but a game is definitely due
>>47913716
What does he run Sigs with?
I'm thinking about throwing him in a Spartan with some Templars.
>>47913783
Seattle area
>>47913804
Yeah I wasn't even counting my Kabuki Alpharius either. I just want to put all my FW vehicles down on the table once in my life.
I've narrowed down my choice to one of these four, but now I'm stuck.
Which army should I build/run?
>>47912284
>>47912350
>>47912568
I'd been thinking of min-sized recon squads with voxes and a Damocles. Everyone else deepstrikes.
>>47914012
Blackshields or BA.
>>47914012
Read a bit of https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k) , think of how you want to play and then you can make your choice.
What was your criteria for narrowing it down to those 4 to begin with?
>>47913954
Surely with his Blind abilities, Corax wins out as Designated Kabuki?
>>47914012
Night Lords.
>>47914012
Blackshields, by far. You may get tired of doing things the same way, and Blackshields are among the most versatile dudes around.
>>47914012
traitor BA would be neat
>>47914012
theres only one way to pick..
>>47914182
You're right dubs decodes
>>47914012
Blood Angels.
>>47914012
Night Lords
>>47914012
Dubs for ALjust kidding, Eight
>>47914061
>Read a bit of...
Already did, very helpful.
My criteria were rather broad. I can't honestly name a legion I don't like, and at times I've considered all of them. I narrowed down my choices to these three legions (+Blackshields) for a number of reason.
Night Lords: love the history, look, personality, and asshole nature of the legion. The dark blue with lightning looks amazing, and their bonuses when ganging up on weaker opponents strikes me as some of the best fluff-based rules design in the game. They're probably my favorite legion, but I'm wary since they're supposed to be so bad.
Alpha Legion: I actually think I like their 3e fluff a little better. Back then they turned traitor largely because they had a chip on their shoulder from being the last legion, and strove to be the best, fighting for Horus to prove their mettle.
I don't particularly care of the green thing they've got going on now (I prefer the darker, near-black look they used to sport), but their tactical flexibility speaks to me.
Blood Angels: Used to play them years ago, and regret selling off the army. I love their 30k upgrade kits (sleek, elegant models without a bunch of shit cluttering them up) and aggressive play style. I see 'em as a more brutal type of Emperor's Children, and rather like the idea of running them as a company who stayed loyal to Horus. They're also a bit like Night Lords in play style, but more competent.
Blackshields: the "do whatever the hell I want" choice. I love the proto-Renegade Marine vibe they have going on. I'm disappointed they can't use drop pods, but Marauder squads and the Wrought By War options are all a hell of a lot of fun. I love customization, and this is the (marine) for most tailored to that idea. Plus, I can run them as as pseudo-versions of any of the other 3 choices (option 3 Chymeriae, for example, are a bit like NLs and blood crazed BAs).
However, this would be the hardest force to use as a 40k army (Space Wolves, maybe?).
>>47913919
Either a small Templar unit or a whole jamboree of terminators sometimes with storm shields sometimes without
>>47914135
>Fidelitas Totalis
>>47914325
>They're probably my favorite legion, but I'm wary since they're supposed to be so bad.
if they are your favorite then play them.
NL arent bad by any means. NL are actually one of the stronger legions. they are better in clsoe combat than WE right now and terrorsquads can infiltrate with volkite. they can DS terminators. sevatar is great, kurze is great.
What Legion do you play/plan to play primarily when they're released?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764
Has there evee been a reported loyalist Deathshroud? Or is it too far stretched to have a bodyguard of a Primarch disagreeing with him so badly he stayed loyalist while Morty went traitor?
>>47914012
Alpah Legion.
You are Alpharius, anon.
>>47914436
I think if you're at the point where you become a Deathshroud, your loyalty is sworn to your Primarch over anyone else, even the Emperor.
>>47906397
Christ if Ultramarines get another book before 3 other Legions get anything besides 2 Rites of War and some basic legion rules fw can get fucked
>>47913512
It’s hard to come up with a story without knowing which legions are involved. What are you thinking of doing? Are you the same anon with Traitor Blood Angels as a possibility? I second >>47914403 – NL are highly regarded, largely because morale matters more in HH than in 40k. They’re good, and if they weren’t, they’d eventually be improved. Then you’d regret not picking them.
It’s easier to pit traitors against each other, especially if Alpha Legion are involved. For anyone else, it’s usually because there’s a tangible prize somewhere, someone’s stepping on their turf (I mean fiefdom), they’re already getting mixed up in games between Chaos gods (or in the NL case, they’re not really siding with Chaos, just with Horus), they’re renegades from both sides (AL are sort of like that), or they just think they can get away with taking someone’s ship.
>>47914436
If you're trying to find justification of loyalist Deathshroud I could think of a good counts as.
Surely theres a selection process for admission into the Deathshroud right? Well of course there are failures, wash outs, flunks. Perhaps you could model a unit of a bunch of flunkies who didn't quite make the cut and resented their Primarch for passing them over for promotion to the Deathshroud. So when Morty betrayed they said eff this we're out, and banded together and left, a unit of very elite Death Guard who have the capabilities of the Deathshroud that met back up with loyalist forces at some point.
Maybe?
>>47914436
How many Deathshrouds are there? Because, while Corax says "do I look like I need a bodyguard?", Morty, who is also sneaky and goes solo, seems to have a full corps of them, either using them as a retinue, as shock troops and lending them to other VIPs (Terminator Praetors and Delegatii)
>>47914012
>traitor blood angels
WAT
>>47914752
There were loyalists and traitors in all of the legions. And don't forget, the Blood Angels were total bros with the Luna Wolves.
>>47914593
Ah, no I'm the Word Bearer anon. From >>47909614
>>47914325
NL arent bad, they're just more nuanced then other legions, you need to pick your fights but NL can have very mobile shit with access to drop pods and infiltrating infantry, have some nice CC units and bonuses but unlike WE or BA they also have a good way to support those units with Terror squads and Drop Pods plus bonus cover save during the night so they are not just about assaulting shit. Its like EC, you need to play to your strengths more than other legions and you get rewarded for that.
>>47914436
In canon fiction? Not yet
But they aren't a "Traitors Only" unit and if Abaddons 2W butt buddies can stay loyal, I'm sure one unit of death shroud could too
Question: why did FW decide to make the "theme" lists be legal only if both players agree? For a lot of people I know, that automatically makes that a "no."
At the very least it makes it impractical to build a Shattered Legion or Army of Dark Compliance; it's hard enough getting a game of 30k in without having to justify optional rules.
Why can't they just say something is legal or not. The grey area makes everything about it a pain.
>>47914752
>BA detachment is found by Horus, he grooms them with lies and power to become his own personal army of Blood Angels.
>BA that were left for dead on Signus, become possessed by demons who use their bodies to wage war in the warmaster's name.
>BA that have followed the example of WE and forsaken all allegiances to revel in the slaughter and their red thirst
Plenty of stuff that could make BA go rogue.
>>47914872
>Why can't they just say something is legal or not. The grey area makes everything about it a pain.
Why cant you just talk to your opponent? Its a social hobby for fucks sake. I think they did it because the lists can be really open to abuse and absurd bullshit AND because they were meant to be part of a campaign instead of just pick up games, FW may not be that great when it comes to balance but at least they try.
Talk to your opponent.
>>47914872
I do believe it is actually a much better choice than puting a clear line in this particular case.
It forces both people to agree on a point, therefore rendering any abuse more difficult than just giving the finger to the poor sod and saying that "it's not forbidden so I can do it".
30k is a lot more "casual" in my eyes, in that it is less prone to abuse and bad sportsmanship. That system of agreement helps with that.
>>47914872
I dont know anyone who would say no to a physical army of dark compliance or shattered legions.
I might tell someone who brings a Leviathan list to go fuck himself though.
>>47914872
>Question: why did FW decide to make the "theme" lists be legal only if both players agree?
probably because knew people would try to abuse +1S+1T to make bullshit lists.
>>47914947
>>47914925
In my LGS, almost no one will play against a 30k list. In fact, most refuse to consider anything from Forgeworld since they're convinced everything made of resin is broken. Like I said, it's hard enough getting a game in without explaining that FW itself seems to think there's something fishy about the option.
>>47914811
Read Betrayer - the Word Bearers and World Eaters fought together through Ultramar without always getting along very well. The WB were basically using the WE, who'd go berserk and kill everyone in sight, WB included. Good times.
(I'm exaggerating, but only a little bit.)
>>47914795
>And don't forget, the Blood Angels were total bros with the Luna Wolves
That went out of the window when Horus, you know, killed Sanguinius
>>47914795
>>47914887
BA traitors existed about as much as Imperial Fists traitors which is to say not really. They were not only fanatically devoted to and in love with Sanguinius on a level far greater than even Horus could engender, but also totally fucking pissed off about Signus. I think the closest you could get would be renegades who just left the Imperium during the time the major bulk of the legion was at Signus and even then there are multiple cases of BA remaining loyal and standing to their posts or simply going on a traitor fucking spree after Sanguinius disappeared.
Like their father they were pure little cinnamon buns of psychotic rage.
I'm not discounting it totally, but I doubt you'd get bigger than a couple squads of truly traitor "death to the false Emperor," Blood Angels.
>>47914980
Blackshield aren't a "theme." They're a legit list.
Only the Shattered Legion and Army of Dark Compliance lists are flagged as being theme-based.
Also keep in mind that Blackshields can't be used in a Shattered Legion list, and I'm pretty sure they can't be taken in an AoDC.
>>47914872
>Why can't they just say something is legal or not.
It's an admission that they have more potential for imbalance.
>>47914992
Well shit it's not FW's fault if your store is full of turbo-autists.
I almost never had competitive play in 30k, mostly fluffy ones, which might explain why I got rolled over so many times, but at least it's enjoyable. Try to get them on board for a short fluffy match, and maybe they'll havefun.
>>47915019
Which happened at the END of the Heresy.
>>47915021
Fair enough.
Reminder Lorgar Aurelian is the best primarch, the holy XVII is the greatest legion, and the progeny of Guilliman's collective ass still burns red hot and will be shown by the disagreeing ultrasue responses to this post
>>47914012
>>47914325
Okay, so Blood Angels are out because people will evidently get pissed if they're run as traitors.
That leaves Lords, Alphas, and Shields.
>>47914992
They're not really meant to be played against each other. Not necessarily unbalanced, but not checked for it. Can't you just come up with a 40k SM codex list that works with your FW models?
>>47915109
How can you be the best legion when you werent chosen to be the Emperor's personal bodyguard? Checkmate heretics.
>>47915120
If I'm investing the thousands of USD necessary to build a Horus Heresy army and get the books, I'm going to use them.
>>47915143 (You)
typo, meant to say
"I'm going to WANT to use them."
As in, use them as the 30k army I made them to be.
>>47915116
Mate, if Nl are your favorite, go with NL. Simple as that. You'll end up regretting it otherwise, in my experience.
>>47915021
>Like their father they were pure little cinnamon buns of psychotic rage.
That's how Khorne gets new followers.
But book 6 discusses some Blood Angels that didn’t go to Sygnus and had no idea what was happening there. They could’ve gone either way.
And at Sygnus, you’d just need one Chaos god or another to communicate with a BA to shake his faith the Imperial Truth to the core. They’re emotional marines – seeing the devastation done to that world, learning that old superstitions are real… surely it’d make some of them doubt. I don’t think it’s so far-fetched.
IF and UM are more difficult, and the loyalist legions involved at Isstvan V
>>47915187
well if nobody wants to play against your 30k army, then your choice is ether run them as 40k SM or dont play...
using 40k SM rules works better against 40k armies anyway since 30k is underpowered
>>47915199
>>47915116
Maybe paint them in a way that they could be run as either NL or BS?
>>47915109
Keep praying, altar boy
>>47915312
>iron warriors
reddit within reddit without
>>47915200
You'd have to trick them that Sanguinus himself was a traitor.
Khorne did corrupt a Blood Angel once, so it's not impossible. However he gave that marine literal fucking wings and he himself thought he was Sanguinus.
(1/2)
>>47915200
Well FW confirmed that BA were the same level of allegiance as the IF -a degree known as Fidelitas Totalis which translates out to "total loyalty".
Signus was definitely a pivotal point for the legion and I think it COULD have gone either way. But when Sanguinius rose after being broken by Ka'Bandah and rejected the deal offered to him by Chaos I think it galvanized the legion to the cause of loyalty. Blood Angels were loyal but not exactly to the Emperor. They followed Sanguinius unto death " even into the maw of a black hole," as one legion put it. If Sanguinius had fallen they would have followed him too but he didn't so almost all remained loyal. Also remember that the Black Rage was non-existant and the Red Thirst was still very nascent at this point with Sanguinius alive.
(2/2)
>>47915200
Also in the lore for the Day of Sorrows RoW it mentions that the BA garrisons that were left behind while the legion went to Signus were isolated and destroyed which is what the DoS RoW represents, the BA fighting one final time dragging as many enemies down with them rather than submit or betray. In Vengeful Spirit we had a perfect example of this. The BA garrison on Molech stood at their post even after the rest of the legion dissapeared and when Horus attacked Molech and brought with them the Red Angel (not Angron, but a literal Red Angel that was the manifestion of the rage that every Blood Angel felt at his core which called them to madness and blood lust because the Red Angel was MADE from the primal essence of a Blood Angel), when they faced the Red Angel they all fuckin SD'd rather than succumb to its corrupting influence (part of the triators battle plan was the Red Angel would corrupt the BA garrison which would then run rampant through the traitor lines but it failed because they all literally killed themselves right there instead of succumb to the overwhelming desire to dink blood and rip and tear).
Then there's also the garrison on Baal which remained true and was taking in shattered legion folks.
>>47915143
>>47915187
Pick an alternate color scheme of a successor chapter and get magnetized shoulder pads
Example: You could paint blue marines and play as 30k ultras, 40k ultras, 40k crimson fists and, if your LGS isn't filled with people demanding to have a previous book in order to play, as 30k Imperial Fists under the leadership of Polux.
Maybe.
I mean, he's yellow, but in the same way Siggy used to be yellow too before going black and never going back, and the WB used to be grey a mere 50 years before the heresy.
>>47915384
*would then run rampant through the loyalist lines, my b
>>47915200
>But book 6 discusses some Blood Angels that didn’t go to Sygnus and had no idea what was happening there. They could’ve gone either way.
Missinformed BA could be "traitor" as in going against loyal marines by following orders from their SoH bros, unaware that they're traitors.
>>47915336
kek
>>47911346
Plain Centurion, Delegatus if you want a RoW
>>47915384
Remember that time they just rip and tore through a pack of space wolves. Good times.
:)
Death to the false emperor
>>47915361
>>47915384
Great info.
But FW does also mention (in passing) that there were marines from every legion on both sides. It may only have been a very few in the extreme cases, and maybe unintentionally, but it sounds like they're encouraging us to find excuses to make it happen.
An isolated group of BA succumbing to the Red Thirst, or being attacked by loyalists who don't trust them, seem like the most likely story options to me. And entire ships would disappear in the warp thanks to the storms. They'd go through a lot too.
>>47915744
I think what >>47915438 said would be a perfectly adequate justification for having traitor BA as your army or as a part of your force. It's just BA intentionally fighting for the Warmaster that I draw the line at.
I will also contest the Red Thirst point. Before Sanguinius died and they were still drawing pure (if not flawed) gene seed from him I don't think the degradation was at the point that 40k BA see now where succumbing to the Red Thirst is a fairly common occurence (40k BA still quite loyal even struggling with the thirst as they do).
All this being said though. I can see them further explaining that the Flesh Tearer and his boys did some naughty stuff, but until that information is presented I think being fooled is the only way I could see traitor BA in a size necessary to represent a force.
>>47915811
Did you not read fear to tread? They were going nuts left right an center.
>>47915811
How many marines will someone realistically have in their army? Like 80 at best. Out of the hundreds of thousands of legionnaires extant at the start of the heresy, it's perfectly reasonably to assume that some out-of-the-way garrison chose to side with Horus of their own free will.
>>47915847
Yea, I actually really like that book. Read what I said here >>47915361
Since one guy did it I want to talk about one of my Knight Houses too.
House Atriedes: The Forgotten House
House Atriedes would argue that they should be called the "Half Forgotten House" but they seem to be in denial about how forgotten they are. They are a Mechanicum bound house based on a desert world that bears their House's name, and like the House's hierarchy their rule over the planet is strict. The peasants say the strictness is out of some need to inflict misery that rivals the misery the House has endured, but House Atriedes is clueless on where their subjects came up with such an idea. The House has a philosophy of see but do not be seen which seems to go against their shock and awe way of war. Their colors are gun metal, light bronze, desert pink, but some variations include light metallic blue and silver. Their symbol is the symbol of the Mechanicum in between the jaws of an antlion.
House Atriedes's more remembered nickname is the result of their near destruction during the Old Night. During that turbulent time the House became the workhorse of the mad Archmagos Leto Duratus The First after his sanity finally snapped. He reasoned that since House Atriedes was the older, more established Knight House in comparison to the younger House Delgado wouldn't last as long as the older House would. House Atriedes had only a few differences between it and a thrall house, countless Knights suffered ignoble ends and there was a decline in eligible nobles to pilot the mighty machines. This was eventually brought up by the current head of the House, but Leto pointed out that the nobles' daughters were eligible. Lord Atriedes tried to argue that only men could pilot Knights traditionally, but the Archmagos asked if traditions matter during times of desperation. It wasn't much of a choice in the matter but Leto told them to look at the bright side. They weren't him.
Pic somewhat related. Part 1/2
>>47915869
Of their own free will I would disagree. The way FW are painting them out to be is fanatically loyal to the Imperial Truth and Sanguinius (who was loyal to the Emperor). Horus' campaign of Dark Compliance was like explicitly the opposite of the ideals of the Great Crusade and in addition opposed the Emperor and Sanguinius.
>>47915894
The Spice Must Flow
>>47915811
HH6 points out that a lot of BA whose ships didn’t make it to Signus due to warp storms thought Sanguinius was dead – and they had at least two years of that before the Heresy started. In the meantime some might’ve started following Horus around, maybe been inducted into the warrior lodges. A full ship’s complement of BA is enough for a decent force.
>>47915908
>fanatically loyal to the Imperial Truth and Sanguinius (who was loyal to the Emperor)
All the traitor legions were fanatically loyal at some point. If you seriously think that .001 of a legion couldn't--for example--have allowed some perceived slight to fester and turn them against the Imperium, you imagine Astartes as being a lot more monolithic than I do.
>>47914012
>>47914325
>>47914403
>>47915199
>>47915116
Honestly, most of my reluctance to take the plunge with Night Lords stems from how bad I am at the game. I just don't think I can do them justice.
If memory serves, Blood Angels were rather big on the arts even back in the 30k days. I could see a small number of them in a distant fleet making "allowances" to save beautifully made relics most Great Crusaders would have otherwise destroyed. They may have seen value in these harmless objects, maybe they read something they shouldn't have, and maybe their unshakable faith could be shaken a bit after all. Absolute proof that the Emperor was either wrong or lying would have hit the most faithful harder than others.
If these relics or icons or what have you were tainted by Chaos, it may have lead a small number of them down a dark path.
Likely?
No.
Plausible or possible?
More so for Emperor's Children, I think, but yes.
>>47915945
>>47915961
Right now with the stuff we have to work with I honestly wouldn't think so. The only examples we have of BA who were separated from Sanguinius were non traitor, the closest we had were renegades with the Nemian Reaver and even they immediately left when they found out Sanguinius might be dead and went on a rampage against the traitors. The gene seed theyre implanted with makes them predisposed to certain emotions, it's true with all legions. For the BA one of those emotions of a desire for Retribution. You hear Horus has raised the legions in rebellion at around the same time your father who you love above all disappears along with all your brothers. A BAngels natural reaction is to exact some kind of revenge.
Let's also not forget that Horus' plan was to wipe out the Blood Angels and kill Sanguinius. He knew they were too crazy and loyal.
in the future if FW clarifys I could accept it but right now with all the information about the BA that we're getting I really don't see it as being likely.
>>47915966
Do it anyways.
If they're your favorite, they're your favorite.
>>47916047
>For the BA one of those emotions of a desire for Retribution
Retribution can take many forms, though. It could just as easily be twisted into a desire to seek retribution against the Emperor and Sanguinius for misleading them about the Warp or w/e.
>your father who you love above all
This goes for all legions, though. Thousand Sons adore Magnus like nothing else, but there's a few Loyalist and plenty of independent Thousand Sons floating around.
>>47915966
from a listbuilding perspective they seem really easy to make lists with.
>lightnings with kraken missiles
>terror squads with volkite
>DS terminators
>kurze with a biker squad or raptor squad
the list builds itself
>>47916135
But doesn't bringing a Primarch kind of make you That Guy?
>>47916177
Does it?
I figured it was half the reason anyone played 30k
>>47916177
no. primarchs are fine.
you arent being a dick until you are taking multiple lords of war or like 9 thudd guns.
if somebody's list at 2500, 3k or whatever cant handle a primarch, then they are idiots who made a shitty list.
>>47916131
Well once they give us an example of such but at the moment I just can't buy it
>>47916177
>Primarch
>That Guy
lolwut? That Guy brings Titans with his Lord of War, or multiple Typhons or some shit. The only Primarch he'll even touch is Invisible Lorgar + retinue, and even that's iffy.
Any speculation or hints as to what the Space Wolves or Thousand Sons will be like?
They're the only ones without any rules, right?
Also, what type of legion specific units are you hoping BAs, WSs, DAs, etc get once they start getting characters and primarchs and such?
Does anyone have a nice Sigismund 1080p screen saver? Pls.
>>47914672
For reference, Angron's Devourers were 10-15 dudes, and he didn't even want them around. Mortarion probably had at least 30 Deathshroud.
>>47915894
Part 2/2
House Atriedes had dwindled to near extinction, and if there was an insult to their injuries the glory that should have been theirs was given to others. Most of the sector assumed they had died off and were slowly forgotten. House Delgado was in the limelight as the Atriedes were licking their wounds. They emerged from the Age of Strife as callous warriors who cared not if there were civilians or entire hive cities in their way, all that mattered was restoring glory and appeasing the sector tech priests to repair their machines. A few Knights and freeblades were sent out among the stars during the Great Crusade while the majority remained back at their home sector in order to find the Knights of their long dead kin in order to salvage them.
During the later middle Great Crusade before Horus was declared Warmaster an Atriedes had the honor of fighting alongside the Master of Mankind. There are no records of what happened officially, but House Atriedes claims that their honored ancestor and the Emperor slew a mighty daemon prince together. The only one who could debunk their story in the 41st Millennium is the Emperor Himself, and He surely won't be talking soon.
During the Age of Darkness the House remained loyal to the Imperium, and gained a hatred for a treacherous Knight House rumored to be led by the daemon prince that was defeated all of those years ago. The traitors used House Atriedes's desire for reconizition and callous disregard for civilians to humiliate the House for seemingly just for the sake of it. The loyal house had survived the Horus Heresy and vowed to hunt down the Chaos Knights and the Prince that humiliated them for all time. After the Great Scouring the House returned home to heal the wounds Horus's had brought, and planned on making sure that their name would be known across the Galaxy.
The favored pattern of the House is the Knight Crusader, and for reasons unknown have a limit on the Warden pattern.
>>47915938
Bingo
>>47916177
Why would a That Guy take a Primarch when he could take a Typhon, or play Knights, or play AdMech?
>>47916494
Probably 49, given his obsession with 7
>>47916655
Consecutive dubs of truth, although you can theoretically bring 30 of them in HQ, 40 as Elites (and 60 as troops? Don't they become troops as PotL?)
>>47916764
Correct!
I just realized that you could legally take an army of only Deathshrouds, if you include Typhon to give them the RoW.
Are there any other things like this?
>>47916859
And if those aren't enough termies, you can still take 30 Grave Wardens (Heavy support). Because DG is the termie legion.
>Are there any other things like this?
Firedrakes and Justaerin can replace terminator command squads too, so, at 3k pts you could bring 3 MotL and get three of such squads that don't use any slots at all (but still count as HQ)
Oh, I remember
Nomus Rythan HQ
-Dread talon as HQ
Cassian Dracos
and 4 Elite choices that can be filled with Dreads, as well as Leviathan Heavy Supports without that "gives VP when killed" RoW bullshit.
>>47916655
That is correct.
>>47916764
I guess Morty deputized the extra Deathshrouds? He did lose a few during the Heresy.
>>47916764
>>47916859
>>47916979
>>47917142
I feel like making a side army of Deathshroud and Grave Warden only DG, with Typhon as their HQ.
They will footslog, amd they will like it. It will be my cheapest army yet.
And best of all, I can just edit the amount of Deathshroud per points level!
>>47917235
You're making Morty, proud.
>>47917254
Thanks, anon.
Someone post the allies chart, I need to see how much they trust the Word Bearers.
>>47917235
Usually footslogging armies have problems with all artillery, but these guys have a 2+ save for Basilisks, and an invuln save PLUS FnP4+ against phosphex.
Regular Medusae will still be a problem, but LR DTs may help (and Morty has a maximum of 28" charge range, with fleet to boot)
I hope nobody brings a flyer though
>mfw the DG have the least allies.
>>47917269
The allies chart is rather spotty at best. It did get everyone not enjoying the Night Lords's company, distrustful of the Alpha Legion, and finding the Sallies to be bros right though.
>>47917235
>>47917310
the DG could probably pull off just footslogging tons of terminators. youd need anti tank though, and a venator because a typhon will eat them.
the 4+FNP against phosphex is great for footslogging
>>47917392
>anti tank
Grave Wardens' Chainfists.
Though yeah, ranged anti-tank would be nice.
I don't think many people would want to ZM against the Death Guard
>>47917392
>>47917472
Grave Wardens do alright as antitank, but they need an assault transport in order to catch up with whatever they need to blow up
Fortunately PotL doesn't restrict deepstriking, and the Dreadclaw's entry says it's available to ANY unit equipped with terminator armour.
Not to mention they can take Spartan DTs, unlike the deathshroud
>I don't think many people would want to ZM against the Death Guard
Do Toxin templates gain shredding in ZM? As in, rerollable 3+ poison?
>>47917310
>Usually footslogging armies have problems with all artillery, but these guys have a 2+ save for Basilisks, and an invuln save PLUS FnP4+ against phosphex. Regular Medusae will still be a problem, but LR DTs may help (and Morty has a maximum of 28" charge range, with fleet to boot)
I'm going to be honest. I got two things from that.
1. This is somehow the only time footslogging will ever be close to viable.
2. see >>47917336
I wish WB and WE were Sworn Brothers. Would be nice and fluffy.
Also, SoH are friends with everyone, and this makes me unhappy. Word Bearers should be friends with everyone, as Lorgar was the most charismatic of the primarchs.
>>47917392
True enough.
>>47917472
Awesome.
Question, how much would say, 1,000 points of an army of this be worth in $? This assumes Typhon is mandatory.
Honestly, DG would've been my first legion, but I prefer Word Bearer lore over theirs. And I'm just not as fond of Nurgle as I am Khorne or Tzeentch. But this gives me an excuse for a second legion.
>>47917533
>Question, how much would say, 1,000 points of an army of this be worth in $?
from china, like 150 bucks or something
>>47917533
>This is somehow the only time footslogging will ever be close to viable.
I did a Deathshroud list once, just for fun. It had transports.
At 2500 pts it only had 19 dudes in it. They cost 35pts more than regular termies.
>>47917577
Gonna bring them as allies?
>mfw Deathshrouds are a HQ option on their own
>the compulsory HQ is moar Deathshroud.
>>47917577
>China
Anon, you know I don't have those kind of connections available to me. Plus, I'm always afraid to get bad recasts like I've seen elsewhere.
>>47917596
>Only 19 dudes in it.
Kek. Did you win?
>Gonna bring them as allies?
Maybe. Probably screw around and play some low points games with them too.
>>47917533
>friends with everyone
They have 4 distrusted skulls.
>>47917596
3k. pride of the legion
morty
siege breaker
6x thudd guns with phosphex and shatter shells
20x deathshroud
20x grave wardens
venator
would be cool
>>47917596
Post pics of your army, Al, if you please.
>>47917635
I should have said "wrote a list for fun". It was on a thread where people were talking about 30k being "light in infantry".
And because you have many expensive options to take from, they're mostly right.
>>47917655
It most certainly would. Let doom stalk a million worlds, anon!
>>47917676
Just realized that since Typhon would be my HQ, he could be a Psyker as well.
What powers can he use, again?
>>47917721
Telepathy
>>47917310
I'm a little surprised the Blood Angels don't have more friend.
>>47917672
A long time ago, before namefagging, when"Dubs pick my legion"was an acceptable tumour, I came to the conclusion thatI wasn't going to be able to buy ALL the armies. Except the NL, I don't like them.
Say, do you think it would be acceptable toget an AL army and lots of magnetized replacement shoulders painted with other legion's heraldry?. It's the only way it occurs to me to be able to [REDACTED] with everyone at the same time, without needing to become a fucking narco lord or something.
Shit's expensive, yo.
>>47917721
Funny that DG have ONLY multipurpose characters
>Rask
Both Chapter master and Siegebreaker
>Typhon
Chapter master LibrarianKyras
>Morturg
Ex-destroyer Librarian that can CREEEEED. Even has a section to himself in the wiki.
I think Typhon has telepathy, so, potentially, invisible Deathshroud? With 4++ because unspecified termi armour.
>>47917777
And I'm Death Guard now...
>>47917795
deathshroud have a 5++
>>47917533
>This assumes Typhon is mandatory.
Which one?
Also, this is clearly why Typhon changed his name - he sees a message asking for "urgent Typhon support", arrives at the warzone and he immediately gets told to fuck off because Death Guard have almost no sworn brothers and everyone hates him and his Gilbert Gottfried voice
>>47917777
Nurgle Quads demand you play DG.
Or WB with Nurgle Daemons allies. Or that one Nurgle Daemon LoW that they can take, iirc.
>>47917795
I think your idea may be the best idea to do.
>>47917825
I'm sure they say "we need a Typhon" in order to avoid confusion.
>>47917835
Which is ironic since I run Thousand Sons in 40k...
>>47917823
On threads past some said that it was legal to have Deathshroud equipped with Cataphractii armour as long as you modeled them (and they released new DG cataphractii shoulders) because their entry says they're equipped with "Terminator armour" instead of "Tartaros armour" like the Phoenix Guard's entry says.
I'd say you should agree with your opponent beforehand. After all, Deathshroud part of Typhon's retinue wouldn't be able to sweep advance because that nigga has Cataphractii armour, making him a weight on his unit.
Because back in HH1 Tartaros was regular termie armour.
>>47917782
Nobody hates them (who can hate Sanguinius?), but they're more than a little scary, and they're nearly as posh as the EC to boot - I can see why close friends might be few and far between
>>47917889
Are the DS supposedly able to turn invisible too?
>>47917889
ya the FAQ is where it says that.
If a model is equipped with Terminator Armor you choose what type and model them appropriately.
>>47917825
>>47917853
>>He sees a message asking for "urgent Typhon support", arrives at the warzone and he immediately gets told to fuck off because Death Guard have almost no sworn brothers and everyone hates him
>Morty is looking for him
>Always ends up finding superheavy tanks instead
>"I'll be called Typhus from now on!"
>-We need immediate Typhus support!
>-Oh, srry buddy, we heard from a source that Typhons were called "Typhus" now. Now fuck off, ok?
>>47917922
They say many were hiding in the shadows, so, for a 8+ foot tall 2W hulk of a man in termie armour I'd say they're pretty darn stealthy.
>>47917889
>>47917940
>If a model is equipped with Terminator Armor you choose what type and model them appropriately.
i missed that bit.
thats makes deathshroud brutal as fuck
>>47917948
It could be worse. He could have the most overused name in the galaxy, Lucius.
>>47917889
Wait, the DS models were in Tartaros? I just thought they were in unique termi armor.
Also, I don't understand, what are the benefits of giving them cataphractii over tartaros?
>>47917948
Kek.
>>47917973
It wasn't overused.
Lucius was so bad in duels because, in reality, he was a forgeworld all along.
Meanwhile, Valdor was the best guard the Emprah could ask for because he was a superheavy in artificer armour. Try defeating that.
>>47917971
The RG make it work. Maybe they rub some of Morty's ear wax on their armor to gross all living creatures around them to a point where they can sneak up on folks.
>>47918000
>Meanwhile, Valdor was the best guard the Emprah could ask for because he was a superheavy in artificer armour. Try defeating that.
I don't think you can.
>>47917998
As far as I remember, the only unique termie armour in the game is the Gorgon's flashy armour of blind.
> what are the benefits of giving them cataphractii over tartaros?
A 4++ on a 2W squad with AP2 at I3. Most would say it's a direct upgrade from 5++, especially when the DG have penalties to sweep advance and run moves (the Reaping) anyway.
But you'd miss on shredding overwatch, so there's a compromise right there.
>>47914012
At least in fluff terms, I always felt like Alphas and Night Lords would be effective together: small cadre of ALs id and eliminate vital strategic targets, while the more numerous NLs keep the enemy from interfering. And the ALs seem pragmatic enough to be okay with the NL's excesses.
Then again, the Alphas seem flexible enough to quirk with any legion, covering up any gabs or weaknesses they may have (like guarding the WE's flanks).
>>47917998
The official model is a Tartaros variant, but you can give them Cataphractii (as long as it's visually distinct, should you have any other termies), giving them a 4++.
Useful if their bodyguarding Typhon, who has to have Cataphractii
>>47918089
*they're
>>47918089
>>47918109
Hmmm... Well this troubles me, as now I want to give them Cataphractii, but I don't know how I would/could model them to have it.
>>47918048
>the only unique termie armour in the game is the Gorgon's flashy armour of blind.
That's variant Indomitus, most ignored of all heresy terminators
>>47918072
There's one thing that bothers me, and it's not the AL being able to enact any and all kinds of warfare, because the EC were able to do so as well.
It's the fact that they did it better than the NL, not only by making entire worlds descend into paranoia using mere serfs, but on Fear to Tread they make Oks flee in terror
As in, they made the things that don't know mortal fear run for their lives, even risking into braving the BA blockade and attempting warp jumps inside danger zones (asteroid fields, right next to a star)?
I like the meme legion, but that's abusing their "nodbody know them, so we can make them do whatever we please". An overmeme, I'd say.
>>47918131
Death Guard Cataphractii shoulders and a separate power scythe set have recently been released - as long as they're painted to be distinctive, it shouldn't be an issue
>>47918199
>power scythe set
Show me please, I can't find it.
>>47918089
>>47918109
>>47918131
Feels as if they had made this specifically to get 4++ Deathshrouds
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Cataphractii-Terminator-Shoulder-Pads-Death-Guard
>>47918135
the blind is so pointless.
>oh boy i passed 1 5++ invuln out of the 88 ap2 wounds you just did to me
>'oh ok m8' *passes blind test*
ferrus shouldve spent less time hanging out with a faggot and more time making armor that didnt suck
>>47912568
>>47912284
>>47914048
So now I've been thinking about this all day, how stupid of an idea would this be? min-sized recon squads with voxes, dreadclaws, and PHALANX WARDERS FORMING BLINDING TESTUDOS UPON DEEP STRIKE. If I could get some reassurance from this general, I might just start ordering Phalanx Warder upgrade sets tonight.
>>47918268
>ferrus shouldve spent less time hanging out with a faggot and more time making armor that didnt suck
Without him Cataphractii armour wouldn't be a thing, you know? Nobody would have any idea how to turn those bulky reactor suits into bulky military suits.
>>47918319
he shouldve spent more time sticking cyberfamiliars onto cataphractii and less time making shitty blind armor.
>>47918241
They're making Cataphractii shoulder pads for all legions you stupid fuck
>>47918300
Man of little faith, you don't want to play the Teleporting Testudo of Blindness, for if you really wanted to you wouldn't be seeking encouragement from us!
You would be saying "well stuff it lads! I'm still going to bring all the overcosted Warders of death and I will blind you with them! And I will combine them with Stormshield termies in order to have a flexible army for the times I get tired of losing using the Hammerfall RoW, so I can also play the Stone Gauntlet and that other ZM RoW that I don't remember its name, for my army can be both flexible AND fluffy (and I'm going to save money and buy lots of alternative bits because that shit is expensive but I'm smart and can manage)".
But you didn't.
>>47918240
My apologies, that's not out yet, it was just shown at an event
>>47918415
Anon, I wanted to believe.
>>47918400
I know, I'm talking about these specific shoulderpads, not the other ones. Chill dude!
>>47918341
IH's exclusive termie squad would have been better off as a full 3++ squad that doesn't have to give up its shooting like those Storm shields lads have to.
And then you add the "-1S to incoming shots" thing.
>>47918441
I blame the warp.
>>47918415
those look awesome.
im tempted to start DG but fuck painting that bone color. painting my WE white was enough of a pain in the ass.
>>47918460
>IH's exclusive termie squad would have been better off as a full 3++ squad that doesn't have to give up its shooting like those Storm shields lads have to.
>And then you add the "-1S to incoming shots" thing.
yeah its what they shouldve been. both of the IH special units rules suck imo. gorgons are decent because of the 1 relentless grav gun per 5 guys, but they still suck. immortals are just insanely overcosted
>>47918509
>immortals are just insanely overcosted
Not to mention they have that dumb rule of "you could try and sweep advance them, but maybe you want to shoot snap shots?".
It's not as if Ld8/9 is unreliable.
>>47918300
That sounds amazing, but you need to make the shields shiny so everyone knows they're blinding
Good luck making that look nice with yellow marines.
Also, no Testudos, Phalanx Warders use Heater/Kite shields
>>47918406
Just think about it
HQ
Sigismund
Troops
10 x Phalanx Warders with Meltas and Transponder
10 x Phalanx Warders with Meltas and Transponder
5 x Templar Bros with all the fixin's
5 x Recon Squad in Carapace Armor with Vox
5 x Recon Squad in Carapace Armor with Vox
5 x Recon Squad in Carapace Armor with Vox
Elite
10 x Sniper Vets with Heavy Bolters and Vexilla
10 x Sniper Vets with Heavy Bolters and Vexilla
Fast Attack
3 x Dreadclaws
Vets and Templars go in Dreadclaws, come in turn one with voxes, BLINDING TESTUDOS rain death from above next. that's somewhere around 2250 with a few upgrades. it would be pretty fucking cool...maybe replace the sniper vets with storm shield terminators in dreadlaws. IDK.
New bread >>47918557
It feels good to be back in Mississippi.
>>47918509
>immortals are just insanely overcosted
They do look cool though.
Why is it that the only shieldmarines that aren't expensive as fuck (in-game, money-wise they're the most expensive SM infantry) are ultramarines?
>>47918586
>They do look cool though.
yeah. i want to run 20 of them with volkite in a spartan but its like 500 points for the unit + the spartan
its like the shittiest 800-900 points you could spend
>>47917777
HOLY PESTILENT NURGLE BATMAN!
Still no angels of caliban epub?
