AGONIZINGLY ALONE EDITION
Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning Sub-Edition
In the last thread air brushes are a key to salvation, Anons posted their choices for a HH movie, Emperor discussion that doesn't destroy the thread happened along with an old speech made by the Big E himself being posted, we discussed who's better(ADB or Abnett if you want to know), something you-deserve-a-skull-crushing-stupid happened, it consumed a good portion of the thread, and much more in the old bread >>47880181
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First for righteously defending mankind's future.
What should I name a Reaver Titan? I was thinking Quimagna Dentes.
>>47889232
Yeah heavy flamers fit better than the plasma. Thanks. I want a fluffy list but also one that is not terrible. 20 man blobs advancing into areas burning with phosphex feels very Death Guard to me. The rhinos might be a stronger option though.
>>47890361
Lux Aeterna
>>47890361
>>47890534
Aeon Flux
>>47890542
>>47890534
Thanks for the names, guys.
>>47890361
Fons Pietatis
>>47890560
So do I just use whatever comes from Mozart's Requiem for Titan names?
>>47890576
Yes.
>>47890594
That makes my life a whole lot easier.
Reposting anon's nice screenshot that shows that Empy is the one and true savior of Mankind, and his failure still pains him.
wonder when that plastic spartan is coming out...
>>47890361
warpstoneflux blogspot co uk/2015/12/names-for-titans
>>47890628
When the stars are right, a cure for Treeman Ilness is found, when each and every single person who posts on the /hhg/ can speak fluent French and has knowledge of every disease known to man. Start reading and become a doctor.
>>47890645
Uni, that link doesn't work.
>>47890660
>French
Cunts and proud of it.
>>47890660
Replace the spaces with stops, 4chan accuses me of spam if I didn't alter it.
>>47890718
I hate that.
>>47890660
I'm trying to learn french now if that helps
>>47890660
>cure for tree man illness
i'll just leave this here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9vOwc-6t-8
Siege of Terra theme.
>>47890361
Frank Exchange of Views
>tfw finished the last model in my army today
Now I just have to touch up my first squads to make them look as good as my later models.
Any advice on making a Mechanicum Legio Cybernetica army?
>>47891418
You need more robots, preferably all of the robots.
>>47891217
>the last model in my army
Haha, good one mate
>>47891435
Does that include Domitars?
>>47891418
Robots can't score, so you'll need either tech zombies or thallax for that
Alternatively just build a force built to table your opponent, then run a WE allied detachment and play as the Sarum tech priests
Take victory through blood or not at all, power demands sacrifice
>>47891589
Well some armies use their compulsory squads as scoring tax, meaning that's a certain fraction of the army that isn't being used to kill the enemy, and Cybernethica has gimmicks like 24" range cybertheurgy (Thanatar Cynix with 8 plasma shots) and Scoria's pseudo-cortex primus exclusive power. So yeah, it could very much work.
Which book is the one about Blackshields?
>>47891671
Book 6 Retribution
>>47891722
Thanks.
>>47891589
I'l probably bring Thallax for that and y'know, having units that can actually get around without fucking lumbering about.
>>47891631
>Thanatar Cynix with 8 plasma shots
>mfw
>>47891631
>Well some armies use their compulsory squads as scoring tax
While thats certainly true for most armies, part of the Cybernetica cortex rules says that Robots can never score, regardless of their battlefield role, so its entirely possible to have a legio cybernetica army that cannot hold points
>>47891755
I meant it as "this legion harmy has 300 pts of taxicals, while this Cybernethica army, knowing their robots can't score, doesn't even care and invested 325 pts into five Voraxii that have S6 AP2 at I5 to kill those marines".
And then Scoria makes a WHOLE squad of those guys reroll ones to hit, +1 to charge range (which fleet can reroll) and I6, because "fuck you, I'm Scoria".
But some armies, like the Cybernethica themselves may forfeit their scoring capabilities for balls out power, like the WE's Inductii tacticals (100 attacks on the charge.)
Still no Angels of Caliban epub?
Played a bunch of 40k during the weekend, brought my HH World Eaters and finally got to play a few games with them after spending the last few months building and assembling them.
Angron was awesome. Over the weekend and a few Apoc games his kill count was:
1 Stompa
1 Eldar Scorpion Tank
1 Avatar of Khaine
1 Warboss
1 DE Succubus and Incubi squad
1 Keeper of Secrets
1 Riptide
1 Old one eye
Overall love him and my world eaters, getting hatred is just so freaking useful on my squads, especially my terminators as WS 5 hatred sarges with powerfists are especially dangerous and catch my opponents of guard a lot, fnp from apothecaries gives my tactical squads some nice survivability and contemptor dreads are love and life.
Overall 10/10 would rage again...
>>47892080
Do people now refuse to play you because '30k is OP'?
>>47892080
That is pretty impressive...
>>47892080
>>47892143
>they let his ultra-mega beatstick get into close combat
>they didn't kite him and obliterate him from range
>abooboo why your Lord of War who is an obscene amount of points beat my dudes
These people are worse than the Dark Gods.
>>47892143
No, in fact my playgroup firmly understands that 30k is kinda underpowered when fighting 40k. HH only comes into its own in mega battles and higher point games and they all know that my WE only really have a chance at anything over 1850, so if I'm playing 1500 or less its me having the under powered force and the tables turn.
Basically its a give or take for the playgroup. Its fully painted and fluffy out the ass so there really isnt much to complain about on that front. The only thing they dont really like is taking 2-3 Ceremite land raiders every game so I switch between more dreads, flyers, or drop pods with my tacticals to mix things up. While I win games its usually a blood bath for both sides and KP games get pretty high on both sides, so it feels like shit is happening so no one really objects.
The only guy that complained was the guy trying to play HH Iron Hands in 40k as he was getting his ass kicked by demons, I think he was alittle salty though.
>>47892254
>Its fully painted and fluffy out the ass so there really isnt much to complain about on that front. The only thing they dont really like is taking 2-3 Ceremite land raiders every game so I switch between more dreads, flyers, or drop pods with my tacticals to mix things up.
888/888 would collect skulls with.
>>47892254
>>47892080
Nice.
Love the kill count, that's how Angron should spend his weekends (kind of surprised it's only 1 riptide though)
>>47890347
Get outta here, you Fist players. At least half of you need to leave to balance this shit out.
>>47892080
>1 Stompa
>1 Eldar Scorpion Tank
>1 Riptide
>1 Old One Eye
I'm curious about these, but mostly in the last two. How do you forge the narrative with those two kills? The Riptide is a count as for a different Xeno race?
>>47892254
Nice flgs you got there.
Anyone know if this is sold anywhere? I know a guy who has it framed, but he traded for it. It's out of HH1 I believe
>>47892486
>How do you forge the narrative with those two kills?
Maybe they just played a game and didn't worry about it? Not every warhammer game requires a detailed narrative explaining the armies being used.
>>47892568
As in, without a previously published book about those specific armies fighting?
kek
>>47892486
He’s not exactly dead in the 41st millennium!
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NO/The-Forge-World-Bulletin/2016/06/20/In-the-Age-of-Darkness?utm_campaign=legionarmylist&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Facebook&_requestid=5262 book is coming out!
>>47892742
>another version
I want this ruse cruise to fucking end
Who else is getting the shop exclusive praetor this weekend? I'm going down to my local shop tomorrow to see if I can reserve oneI'm also going to get the start collecting chaos space marines and thousand sons upgrade kit because I'm a masochist who doesn't have enough plastic terminator lords
>>47892742
They're even including the stuff from HH6.
>>47892811
If it helps, the final version of the rules will probably have some mistakes as well.
>>47892742
So what does that mean?
>>47892742
>>47892824
And tehn Book 7 will come out and there'll be 3 or 4 new units in it and those books will be obsolete because they won't have Thousand sons and space wolf rules and the cycle will continue.
>>47892742
I'm going to pay £32 for new jetbike and stormbird rules
Why forgeworld
Welp, I just bought book 6. Guess I'll wait for the next one
>>47892816
I am. But my shop is organising "events" so I hope you don't have to participate in those events to get him, like a painting competition or whatnot. I litteraly will grab him and go to the airport to start a job on the other half of the world.
>>47892742
It had to be done.
>>47891829
Don't bother, it's shit.
Also the stupidest reason they let Curze live
>>47892898
Wha-? No it didn't.
Back in the day everybody was asking for his holy work because we didn't know where he was. But he's always with us, we know that now.Here's part one :^) Made them a long ago
>>47892486
why care at all if some random fight fits fluff
>>47892898
I don't know why, but every time someone posts the general picture with a news overlay I can't stop laughing
It's usually the newsreel underneath that gets me
At least it's almost definite they're never adding more shit to Solar Auxilia and Militia/Warp Cults.
I still have as yet to dedicate to buying a Mechanicum book because just when I thought the Taghmata list is done Warhammerfest or whatever it is happens and Book 6 comes out and now they're missing the fucking Arlatax and whatever that flying bot is gonna be.
>>47892875
I doubt they'd risk missing out on sales by doing something like that
>>47892927
Word Bearers.
>>47892927
Rainbow Warriors.
>>47892959
>>47892980
Rainbow Bearers
>>47892927
Valedictors
>>47892927
Blackshields
>>47892927
Iron Within.
>>47892927
Pre-primarch Crusade-era Legionnaire that doesn't even have a name`
>>47892927
Word Bearers, seek the truth!
>>47892998
Viagra Dealers
>>47892927
War-born
>>47892927
Scoria
>>47892927
Pale nomads faggot
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>>47893053
>>47892927
Not this meme again
>>47892954
I still reckon we'll get a full imperial army
Militia and cults=PDF's
Imperial Army=Imperial guard
Solar Auxilia=Some guys fanfic that somehow made it into the game
>>47893063
Any minute now the hotpocketmen are going to be in here to ethnically cleanse the whole thread
>>47893053
>even killed mold in the basement
Lold and saved
>>47893018
>Pre-primarch Crusade-era Legionnaire that doesn't even have a name`
He has a name now: it's Endryd Haar.
>>47893028
>Word Bearers, seek the truth!
I liked you preacher boys when you were doing atheistic genocide like some sort of Space Stalin.
>>47893052
>Scoria
Winner winner, entropic dinner.
>>47893065
>>47893063
>Not this meme again
I wasn't even asking for an army! I merely posted part 1 of the newsreel shown in >>47892898
>>47893088
>>47892927
There you go, your legion is the hotpockets
>>47893071
>Solar Auxilia
>Some guys fanfic that somehow made it into the game
I dunno, I feel like they're a far more fleshed out Militarum Tempestus.
>>47893071
>Militia and cults=PDF's
>T4 power armoured niggas that needed the cooperation of elements from three legions, plus Imperial Army to defeat them
>"PDF"s
Militia & Cults encompass everything from chaos renegades to pseudo-marines
>>47893071
I dont think so, the Imperial Army isnt some uniform group of soldiers, the army is still revolving around each planet giving entire armies to the crusade in the same manner as the Imperial Guard deals with regiments the difference being each army can be an independent entity and work on its own instead of having to be a regiment in an army. In that regard I think the Militia list is good enough to represent that and FW should just focus on giving it more provenances to fit a theme, like one for Tallarn that makes Leman Russes non-scoring troops.
>>47893118
Militarum tempestus is a weird concept to begin with, It would be like chaos chosen or space marine veterans getting their own army, but Solar Auxilia just came out of nowhere and now get a fair amount of focus in the black books.
>>47893155
>battle memes
Well that's a little dissapointing, as it sort of dashes my hopes for a real Imperial army list, instead we're stuck with this clusterfuck of a list that will probably never be updated again
>>47893219
>will probably never be updated again
^This. You need four fucking books to play space marines (LACAL, HH5, HH6, AoD), but the Militia list in book 5 was pretty much half-assed.
>>47893161
>FW should just focus on giving it more provenances to fit a theme, like one for Tallarn that makes Leman Russes non-scoring troops.
Somebody listen to this dude.
Moar Provenances
>>47893293
pretty much half-assed? thats a bit generous
I'm pretty sure they got kids from the local school there for work experience to write that list
Some units didn't even have fucking point values
>>47893337
>Some units didn't even have fucking point values
Precisely.
I hope they get updated as, currently, the supposed "hosts of the Imperium" can be outnumbered by the "few and elite" SA, as they can bring 180 dudes as troops with 9 Dracosan DTs (or nine Aegis lines that don't use a Fortification slot), as well as three superheavies as regular Heavy choices, plus another two as a LoW choice and a proper Fortification detachment.
Try outnumbering that shit.
>>47892959
>>47892980
>>47892993
>>47892998
>>47893007
>>47893016
>>47893018
>>47893028
>>47893030
>>47893031
>>47893052
>>47893053
>>47892927
Each and every single one of you deserve to give Morty a sponge bath with your tongues.
>>47893430
->>>47893093
>I wasn't even asking for an army! I merely posted part 1 of the newsreel shown in >>47892898
>>47893088
Um, which legion is the fun allowed one?
Dark Angels?
Your dubs decided it.
>>47893445
Sorry, Al. Didn't mean to include you.
>>47893448
>Dark Angels
>fun allowed
>>47893448
You think the teutonic knights in space allow fun?
No, the fun allowed legion is the White Scars. Poetry, bike, and bitches galore.I'd say it's the Space Wolves but fucking dogs isn't really my thing
>>47893511
Agreed, with the obscured section too.
Maybe TS if studying andPERFORMING WITCHERYis your thing.
Or Imperial Fists if "not having fun" is how funny to you, as well as masochism.
>>47892304
>>47892381
>>47892151
>>47892486
Thanks everyone. I was worried that World Eaters would suck based on how often they are called the weakest but they were fantastic.
>>47892486
The Stompa and the Scorpion were both in 2000pt games so we called it Great Crusade, the rest were from mega battle events where it was just teams throwing down, aliens vs chaos, vs Imperium, I went imperium and went great crusade on there asses as we had a huge amount of chaos this weekend.
>>47892500
Its from the white dwarf when they announced Angron and HH I believe.
Later this evening I'll post pictures of my Angron as its not painted like shit.
>>47893509
>>47893511
Shit, thats what I meant.
The NO fun allowed one, home to chapter master hotpockets.
Why teutonic knights though?
I see the forest crusader connection, but beside that..what is teutonic about them?
Inherited guilt?
>>47893560
I reckon death guard would be pretty fun. Hanging out with your bros, getting shitfaced on poison, and watching a drunk Mortarion crash space ships into hives would be pretty funny
Until that cunt typhon comes along and gives everyone incredibly painful space AIDS and dedicates your legion to the god of decay and stagnation.
Yeah maybe Death Guard wouldn't be that good
>>47893623
I was more referring to their style of armour when I called them Teutonic tbqh
Iron Warriors definitely take the title of the no fun allowed legion, until the beep boopers came along
>>47893659
>Hanging out with your bros, getting shitfaced on poison, and watching a drunk Mortarion crash space ships into hives would be pretty funny
Damn right it sounds fun.
Dammit, I wish I had screencapped anon's depiction of the conquest of Galaspar
"getting high on poiso-caine" and "someone parked a hive-city in space?" still crack me up
>>47893699
Word and yes, the helmets remind me of them.
Teutons truly had zhe classiest helmets.
Sorry I had to go yesterday, I remember someone mentioning there were too many fists players?
>>47890347
That's the guy I had my heart set on and bought for my HQ!
>>47892927
Iron Warriors
Anyone had blackshields to show off?
>>47892927
Dubs decree that you shall be soldiers of Frank Castle! Iron Hands!
>>47893053
Nusquam spotted
>>47892824
>Jetbike Sky Slayer
This is gonna be a jetbike squad where every bike can take special weapons, i bet money
>>47892910
Can't be dumber than Sanguinius not cutting of his head because he thought Curze could come back.
I mean, I'm a Sanguinius fanboy and even I think that was contrived. CHOP'Z 'EAD OFF BOY
>>47894478
Its gonna be this and you're gonna fucking love it.
God damn Heavy Support slot, so many good options.
>>47894543
You sure
The reason they don't kill him is becausewhile fighting the Lion he lets slip that he'll eventually get assassinated on the orders of the Emperor, therefore the Lion reasons that if they kill him the Emperor will die
>>47892910
I know it is, the Gav wrote it. I want to have a closer look on the First Legion's organisation.
>>47892254
In my hobby group almost all of us have made the switch over to playing HH. Only Tau players and one brave Dark Eldar/Tempestus player remains in the 41st millenium.
Our general consensus is that 30k is above average when it comes to power level. Mechanicus and Solar Auxillia are pretty good and the legion crusade list is solid with the legion rules ratcheting the power level anywhere from slightly to largely.
Basically 30k doesn't hold a candle to Tau/Eldar/Gravmarines
But is superior to things like IG, Blood Angels, or Grey Knights.
Also, don't fight Dark Eldar at low points values. It's a bad time for legion armies.
>>47894471
Nusquam? Is that from one of the (40k) Cain books?
>>47894606
The Lion is preeeeeetty smahrt
>>47894623
i found my local 30K group to be considerably nicer and less cheesy.
Unrelated, Argel Tal, just going to be a Gal Vorbak on Steroids, or will he come with a boatload of special rules?
>>47894668
>>47894623
what point levels would you guys recommend playing for a newer 30k guy? I'll be playing against a friend's 40k Chaos Space Marines this weekend and I'm not sure whether to do 2000 points, 2500 points, or the "meme" ITC point level of 1850 in my area.
>>47894668
That reminds me, legion-specific Consuls when? Or do you just build your own with legion-specific wargear?
>>47894787
2k is comfortable for both parties
>>47894787
1750/1850 I generally a good starting point for most regular HH games
Obviously ZM is lower, and I get the impression the new scenarios from book 6 are designed to be used at lower point levels
2500 master race though, perfect size if you ask me
>>47894801
AL and WB's already have their own consuls
I'm guessing TS and SW will also get their own in the next book
>>47894552
>$80 per model
>3-10 per squad
>>47894868
£80 or you can let alan bligh himself come round to your house and rawdog your arsehole for a solid hour
>>47894787
imo, 1500 works well without Lords of War, but a lot of people think that's too little.
2500 with Lords of War is great, and 3000 is not uncommon in larger events (so it's a good long-term goal).
2000 is a little awkward - primarchs and super-heavies can be too dominant, too hard to counter. But without them, it's just a biggish game with normal units.
>>47894801
I want Diabolists to have their own model and be able to use Malefic Daemonology so badly.
Daemons that can't use daemon powers is just weird, man.
>>47894896
Everything about that model is just fucking superb
The CSM backpack, the pauldrons, the MkIV chestplate, it's just so good
>>47894892
Free model and free sex? What's the catch?
>>47894896
yep, although i find it weird that they are demons, yet they cannot summon demons...
>>47892486
Tau could easily be human remnant empires that survived until the great crusade and Necrons could be lost Men of Iron. If the Emperor did find men of Iron you can bet your ass he would send in Angron, and Lion, and Horus, and the Ordo Reductor, and 50 titan legions, and half the Imperial Army, and Perturabo.
>>47894478
>Take +1S/T Blackshield chymeriae
>Take basic troops
>Take attack bikes for FA
>Take sky slayers for heavy support
>Dance around your enemy shooting them to death with T6 heavy weapon models with either 2 wounds or a 2+ and tons of jink saves
>>47894478
Probably, but I'm hoping it's a jetbike squad with rules for assaulting flyers. Jetbikes are already targeted by skyfire, may as well let them actually get up there
>>47894787
Against 40k? I would honestly say 2.5 k. 2k is fine but it makes fielding the more fun units possible while maintaining some degree of balance. Beyond 2.5k 30k armies begin to surpass their 40k equivalents simply due to the scale of their equipment and initial unit point costs (can now field full sized units, can start investing points into specialized dreadnoughts or legion special units).
>>47894993
Alan Bligh actually has AIDS.
>>47894391
I have yet to see a proper Blackshields army.
FW also has yet to release models for the Pariah wargear (though there wer epictures of them on the tickets for their last Warhammerfest).
>>47892927
IF master race
>>47895166
Gross.
>>47895166
DUBS!
>>47895186
Don't be jelly of our static walls and mobile walls bro.
![the_science_behind_disgust-460x307[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/upb1xtU.jpg "the_science_behind_disgust-460x307[1].jpg")
>>47895057
Blackshields have some disgustingly good combinations
>>47895207
Not gonna be jelly of your masochism either.
>>47895207
thats a nice wall you have there...
it would be a shame if somebody bypassed them...
>>47894815
>>47894828
>>47894893
>>47895094
thanks for the responses guys. I was leaning towards 2500, but I wasn't sure if that would be too much for "babby's first 30k game" since I'll be using a bunch of new Legion and Knights (it's knight anon hi) rules. Should I use a 40k Maelstrom of War mission for my first time or try one of the 30k ones? I'm excited to try the 30k ones but I have no clue which one, would love recommendations for that too.
>>47895503
30k missions are funner. Actually having to rely on troops and not getting fucked by the heart of the hards is nice.
>>47895531
which ones are your favorite?
>>47895717
I like Blood Feud a lot
>>47895531
Tactical Objectives were made to keep ADD children's attention. One overall goal for the mission is fine.
>>47895207
>Taking walls over daemons
Boring legion is boring.
How much HERESY is Mars pattern Warlord with Lucius pattern head?
>>47895947
It's not tech-heresy when the Mechanicus does it
>>47895894
Better than being the worst legion.
>>47896132
You leave Dark Angels out of this
>>47896132
The title of worst legion belongs to the Iron Hands. No other legion is so bad as to deserve it.
>>47895985
It's still amusing to think about just what had to happen for that head to end up on Mars' titan.
>>47896132
are we talking about night lords, word bearers or thousand sons here
>>47895848
Normal missions usually just devolve into "kill everything" for 4 turns and 1-3 turns of "camp the objective", which isn't very tactically interesting.
Maelstrom missions incentivize board control and flexibility, and introduce risk/reward choices of "should I try to achieve this objective but give up my position?", "should my aggressive unit hang back to score X points or is their killing power needed to win in the long run?" etc.
Granted, this is assuming you use house rules to counteract the random nature of cards, such as being able to instantly discard and re-draw impossible objectives, D3 points = 2 points and objectives being worth 1-3 points at the end of the game (my group has been trying out different values we but haven't reached a conclusion yet).
That said, the AoD system of only Troops and Implacable Advance scoring is a lot more interesting than everything scoring and some things optionally super-scoring, since Troops, Terminators, Veterans etc. become much more valuable when list building.
I haven't tried AoD scoring in Maelstrom missions yet, it's theoretically the most fun IMO but it may also become too hard to actually achieve some cards.
>>47896233
>Talking shit about the best legions
Nigga pls. We've got Iron Hands, Fists, and Death Guard for those roles.
>>47895947
I think that would be the equalivant to mutlating genitals in the Titan community's eyes. They don't need lawyers, Anon.
>>47896325
>the Titan community
You make it sound like titans meet up for tea and cakes.
>>47896149
Dangles are pretty boss martially wise. That autism though
>>47896202
Any legion that brings back it's dead as muderous cyborgs is cook with me
>>47896233
We are talking about dem Imperial helards bro
>>47896266
One of the AoD game types requires you to hold objectives on a turn by turn basis. Each objective held at the end of a turn generates a VP or something along those lines. I like that mission because it meets Maelstrom halfway, in that it emphasizes board control and flexibility but also doesn't really need house rules to get rid of the unnecessary R&G
>>47896347
Some would put their toddlers into Warlord Titan costumes, so I'd say they meet up at Titan Daycare.
>>47896347
What else do they have to do? Sit around and just wait for a job to come their way?
>>47896202
Fulgrim pls go and stay go
>>47896360
>Any legion that brings back it's dead as muderous cyborgs is cook with me
Every legion used Dreadnoughts, bud.
>>47896476
The toddler gets to pick which unit(s) to fire at - this represents the power of the titan's wild machine spirit and the freedom in operations afforded to the Titan Legions and their Princeps
Any of their parent's units targeted are worthy sacrifices/beneath consideration/judged unworthy
>>47896587
I admit EC were an option for my legion. It came down to Word Bearers, Emperor's Children, and Night Lords. I wisely chose to bear the Word.
>>47896607
Dreads arent dead, they are just FUBAR'd
Ugh, my problem with the WB is as follows
> Loves the Fluff
> Loves some of the characters
> Hates the Gal Vorbak
Does the orbital assault rite of war mean that I can take deathstorm drop pods as both heavy support AND fast attack?
Because I would really like to take 6
>>47891458
domitars have always been really lack luster for me. Better off with more castellax.
>>47896647
The Warlord can attack pieces of scenery rather than models and put it in its mouth for a slobber attack, so I guess it's fitting.
>>47896692
So...don't use Gal Vorbak? I love WE, but I don't use Rampagers because they're a boatload of ass.
>>47896692
How about, and hear me out, you don't use the Gal Vorbak?
>>47896692
What's wrong with the Gal Vorbak?
>>47896692
The Gal Vorbak were really rare, weren't they?
>>47896815
I think only the Serrated Suns chapter had the original Gals, further possessed marines were simply 40k's possessed.
>>47896701
>May instead be taken as a Fast Attack
Hmm...instead implies you would have to pick one or the other, but it doesn't say you have to make one choice for every Deathstorm in your army.
>>47896692
I hear you brother. As a unit, Gal Vorbak are amazing, but I'm not a fan of the models myself.
Though, I hate the Mhara Gal as a unit, but absolutely love the model.
>>47896607
The White Scars probably stopped after discovering their primarch and becoming Chogorian.
>>47896883
I don't see why they couldn't put their quasi-dead in jetbikes or land speeders. They could at least be gunners.
>>47896883
>not biker dreads
Anon, plz
>>47896907
Ive always wondered if there could be like an IH successor that puts their crippled marines in vehicles as machine spirits instead of dreadnoughts.
>>47896607
No I'm not talking about some limbless dude scavenged off the field. One of the Keys of Hell bring back fully dead marines.
>>47896907
Part of their belief system
>>47897045
Oh, actually dead marines... like Eidolon?
>>47897107
Does Eidolon come back? It did seem a little weird they'd just kill him randomly in Reflection Crack'd.
>>47897169
Fabius sewed his head back on and revived him
>>47895152
Probably because Blackshields are actually hard to pull off properly, on a modelism point of view. Every model is supposed to have its individuality, it's closer in its organisation to a chaos warband than a nice orderly SM chapter.
That, and having black as your base color make it hard to pop out in the middle of DA, IH, some of the SoH, RG and Destroyers of any legion.
The art itself is a proof of that, Blackshield get their individuality from small nuances like almost not discernable glyphs on the armor, or fine weathering.
If you're not actually good at painting and making each model different from the other, you just end up with an army of black primed dudes.
>>47897169
Yes, they revive him (I think Fulgrim asks Fabius to). It was fate - here's Google's definition of "eidolon":
1. an idealized person or thing.
2. a specter or phantom
>>47897218
>Heals marines through unortodox methods that only he can pull off
>Constantly performing "enhancing" surgery on everyone
>Replaced his commanding officer's larynx with a boom box
>Sewed a marine's head back on and it successfully brought him back to life because Fabius so believed it
Confirmed: Fabius is actually a Painboy
>>47897258
Black shields don't have to be black.
>>47897329
But a lot more classy.
>>47892824
>Legion Command Squad HQ
Wait, is that new? I thought command squads were options for certain HQ choices?
It would be interesting to be able to take a command squad as a compulsory HQ, but I doubt they'll let you do that.
>>47897514
No, but they're more in need of all being unique models, rather than rank-and-file
>>47897564
they're probably still a retinue option rather than a full choice
Who here owns more than 1 Primarch and if so what's your best/favorite painted one? also general which is the best model wise, for me I have to go with Vulkan perosnally, I just think his model really captures everything about the lord of the XVIIIth Legion
Show me pics of your armies! I want to see what you're fighting the forces of the Emperor/Warmaster with!
>>47897514
Really? Shit do you have any examples of non-black Blackshields? Art or models I don't care.
>>47897760
>>47897775
There's a grey chimeriae blackshield artwork in HH6.
>>47897796
thats some crisp blue right there
>>47897754
My favorite is always going to be Ferrus since I really like the way they did his face/hair and how his overall armor design was done. Before they did his portrait and model the small amount of Ferrus Manus art was really dumb and cringey, but FW redeemed him and made him a total badass. His hammer is also really well done and actually looks like something that could be S10 AP1 at initiative.
>>47897775
Commencing dump
>>47897903
>>47897973
Yeah I sorta considered these black. Dark metal is more like it I guess.
>>47897928
>>47897948
But true enough, I forgot Ashen Claws qualified as Blackshields technically.
If I wanted to get into 30/40k and wanted to learn about the 18 founding legions, as well as the rest of the setting, where would I go?
I'm asking this for a friend who's really interested, which means that I'll finally have someone to play against most likely.
>>47898158
Does anyone have based Scanon's links to the Visions of Heresy books? Those are the most comprehensive summaries of the Horus Heresy that I've seen. Still a lot of reading, though.
But they don't go into too much detail about the legions themselves. For that, I'd probably go with Lexicanum. It's not as long-winded and plagiarizing as Wikia:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marine_Legion
This link helps with how they actually play:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#Legion_Specific_Rules.2C_Units_and_Characters
>>47897973
Slaanesh called, they said if your going to wear their symbol you need to be at least six times gaudier
>>47897903
This isn't a Blackshield, but a loyalist DG techmarine disguised as a traitor SoH.
If anything, it shows that the rule of techmarines being red wasn't universally enforced, but it could also be because the SoHs were already traitors (and did away with Imperial regulations)
>>47897629
>>47897258
>Blackshields are actually hard to pull off properly, on a modelism point of view
Not really. Just need to do a bit of kitbashing. Back in '09 I made a few renegade marine models as a test for an army I never made, but if you can wait a bit I can get some pictures up.
They look alright, and I was pretty terrible at modeling back then, so someone actually trying to make 'em look could would do wonders.
>>47898229
Thanks mate, I'm planning on running an Only War game with him and the rest of our friends, but out of the entire group he's the only one really interested in the setting as a whole, which is nice. Might do some Black Crusade or Deathwatch games later on if everyone's still interested. If not, at least I've got him to play some games and talk with.
I'll be sure to send him the articles and links! Thanks mate!
>>47897973
Dose any one have / seen a good blackshields list? I want to do a 2-3k list and would like to see other people ideas.
>>47898278
Sure thing, post ahead.
>>47898278
They're mixed Khorne Berserker, Ork Boy, Catachan, and Marine bits.
They look a bit better in person, but not by much. I rather forgot how bad they look, actually.
>>47898403
>>47898366
I have no idea why I thought the backpack on the middle guy looked good. However, I think chopping down a chaos marine backpack, as seen on the guy to the right, looks tolerable.
>>47898430
They're unpainted because they were made by me.
Dem berserker legs. Not one of my better choices.
>>47898445
On the one hand, I feel like it would be sacrilege to put Catachan arms on any of the Forgeworld marine bodies, I can't help but wonder what it'd look like.
The Pariah Power Armour entry does say that they remove pieces for added movement, so it may work if someone with more skill gave it a shot.
>>47898430
pfffthahaha what the fuck anon
>>47898445
>and 5, 6, 7, 8!
>Come on boys, keep up with the beat!
>>47898403
>>47898430
>>47898445
>>47898477
Looking at the greenstuff job, are you the one that made pic related?
If so, how did you such nice, short cuts like this? I find it quite hard tobcut off a good chunk like on the picture, only very thin bits go away without destroying the whole part.
Kitbashing blackshields is fun. Ignore the base, I've changed it for a bigger one already.
>>47898477
Last one. The shoulder pad is from a regular marine, just turned upside down with the top bit cut off. The helmet is a berserker bunny ear model with said bunny ears removed.
The nice thing about Catachan arms is that the guns are not attached, unlike the Cadian ones, so it's easy to use different weapons.
>>47898530
Nope, not one of mine. That looks sexy as hell.
>>47898490
I was young, stupid, and using greenstuff literally for the first time.
I'm sure you can see why I never made the army.
>>47898645
Poop.
>>47898596
Ooo, very nice. What's the blade from?
>>47898664
Talos
I'm that noob from yesterday trying to theorycraft about an army list, can anyone give me tips on what I have so far?
I've made this from models I currently have, if there is a better format please let me know.
HQ- 230
Sigismund 230 pts
Elites- 525
Contemptor Dreadnought (The one that comes in the calth box) - 175 pts (unsure, there are a few models and I don't know what type it is)
Legion Terminator Squad (vanilla, I haven't added anything extra) - 175 pts
Troops - 755 pts
2x Legion tactical squad 150 pts each
1x Phalanx warder Squad w/ land raider proteus - 455 pts
Heavy support
Legion vindicator tank 120 pts
Im using "The Stone Gauntlet" as my rite of war, the tool I used to put it together says that a few things aren't valid.
1) says too many troop selections
2) too many elites
3) can't have phalanx warder squad
I'm not sure what they mean. Anyone have any criticism or ideas?
>>47898530
Oh, and I just cut down a piece of greenstuff to fit, then used the back of an exacto knife to made indentions in parallel lines. To finish I cut away the excess.
Took several tries, but mine didn't turn out nearly as nice as that one.
>>47898698
I should mention everything is vanilla, I haven't upgraded any weapons or anything yet
>>47898596
I wish I could figure out what it was I wanted to do with my Blackshields
Ive been in the planning stage for months now
>>47898664
looks like dark eldar
probably cronos or incubi
i dont really know much about DE
>>47898709
Oh I meant the cuts in the armor my bad hahaha.
>>47898698
First off, read the rulebooks, dont base your knowledge on what a program tells you. The computer isnt your boss.
Second, that army list doesnt use the RoW to its full extent, the point of the Stone Gauntlet is to have a wall of T5 bodies with shields and youre just not making the most of the bonuses. You are better off using another RoW or none at all in which case look at the different FoCs for more options.
A single Vindicator isnt going to do shit except eat anti-tank and be dead, get another or scrap the points, the list is all over the place with no real focus, if you want stone gauntlet get more breachers.
Also, if you dont have a dedicated close combat unit to pair Sigi with then drop him for a generic praetor or Polux, Sigi doesnt give you shit except being a beat stick which is nice but you need to focus on that and kind of build the army list around him whereas Polux gives you options and boosts whatever army list you have.
>>47898698
If you're using Battlescribe, make sure you're using an Age of Darkness force, sounds like you listed it in an Allied Detachment or something. Also you can select the Rite of War on your HQ, so click on Sigismund and select Stone Gauntlet.
>>47897760
not all of it, working on a dreadclaw, kharybis and lightning
>>47898698
>Battlescribe
I sigh dissapointedly whenever I see someone use that instead of good ol pen/paper, or even a note function such as Word.
Anyways, listen to >>47898827 and >>47898839.
>>47898839
Yes that is the program I am using.
And yes I used allied detachment, I didn't really know what it meant.
Thanks!
>>47898885
The reason I did is because I don't have the depth to know where the point lists are.
I started out on pen and paper and realized "Wait, what kind of land raider is this? What kind of dreadnought is this? What type of troop are my warders?"
Like I said I'm so new I haven't even played 40k
>>47897760
2500 point army I'm working on at the moment. Still want to paint in details and base with Martian Ironearth before the weekend. Also thinking of replacing the land raider with a dreadclaw...
>>47898827
I have the extermination rulebook and am currently reading it, it's just really big.
As for the vindicator, I just included it because that is what I have.
Ideally I want a force that is extremely defensive. I have sigismund as a gift.
>>47898888
Sweet quads, anon.
>>47898915
Nah, it's cool. I just prefer to go old school like that and go back and forth. Might be a tad bit more tedious, but I find it's easier to learn that way. Whatever works for you is what you should stick with, anon.
>>47898945
My first dubs are quads, it is a sign from the primarch!
I've found that I enjoy the fluff and painting a lot, so I want to take the time to make my force something I will enjoy playing, not just win because it is overpowered.
So has Crusade Imperialis added anything to the militia and cults list?
>>47898973
Indeed! A sign from Angron! Now go enjoy your Khornate quads, anon.
Glad you love painting and fluff. One of the reasons I love 30/40k myself, honestly.
Here comes the vanilla men! Best flavor, just taste the absolute sweet blandness of their manhood!
2000pts of Imperial Fists, the marinest of marines.
HQ
Delegatus [Pride of the Legion]
Troops
Tac Vets [10, 2 Heavy Bolters, Sniper]+Rhino
Tac Vets [10, 2 Missile Launchers, Sniper]+Rhino
Tac Vets [10, 2 Missile Launchers, Sniper]+Rhino
Tac Support [5, Meltaguns]+ Rhino
Elites
Cortus Dread [Kheres+Fist]
Dreadnought [Multi Melta+Fist]
Dreadnought [Multi Melta+Fist]
Heavy Support
Devastator Squad [5, lascannons]
Devastator Squad [5, lascannons, Sergeant with Nuncio]
HERE COMES THE WALL!.
When do the World Eaters go full blood/brass and abandon their white/blue entirely? When did the Thousand Sons change to Tzeentchian gold/blue?
>>47899277
After the heresy, iirc.
WE went from White and Blue to White and Red/Blood late heresy, though.
Have we seen the special rules for the Praetor this weekend yet?
>>47899277
>When did the Thousand Sons change to Tzeentchian gold/blue?
Im willing to bet that FW is going to make the blue scheme be the colors of an elite sect within the legion, like the equivalent of Templar Brethren/Reavers that follow Ahriman and stick with him after the burning of Prospero. The survivors of the rubric would probably adopt that scheme as a symbol of their newfound power, like saying that they're all part of this elite group now that only the strongest survived.
Here's Ahriman and co heading to Terra aboard the Vengeful Spirit.
>>47899449
Best piece of 30/40k art next to the classic Emp vs Horus one
is a 5 man Heavy Support Squad with Heavy Bolters just a total waste of time at 2500 points?
>>47899449
Abaddon really didn't like leaving Horus's side, did he?
>>47899449
>dat helmet
That's not Ahriman.
That's Amon, you twit.
