>>47458374

If you must put them into a generic fantasy layout, Skorne are hobgoblins. They're the taller, better organized relatives of the more common goblinoids -- they have the same head ridges and pointy ears that Iron Kingdoms gobbers do.

As far as I remember, at one point Seacat *said* they were hobgoblins publicly but walked it back later.

But really, Skorne are Skorne. If you're playing D&D 3.5 and only pulling from the Monster Manual, though, they're hobgoblins.

Just found out that the ENTIRE DISTRIBUTOR my store orders from, which supports like 600 stores or something, is getting 6 copies of each Hordes starter. My store is getting 4 of each of those. Wew.

>>47459127
Im just having my friends pick them up at LnL for me

Tell me somebody has a scan of NQ 66 by now. I have a bloody subscription, and I'm still waiting for it.

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>>47458639


>not Magnus was Right edition

One job

>>47459380
Cryxian Pirate posted one 1-2 threads back. Search the archive.

I plan on getting into this game soon(never played a miniature wargame before). Should I just wait for the new edition or whatever before I buy anything?

>>47459510
Yes.

>>47459380
http://www60.zippyshare.com/v/S5o0KN38/file.html

Who is best Minion warlock?

>>47459887
Calaban.

So, I was able to acquire a fully pinned but badly painted Judicator for 60 dollars. Should I do some conversion work and make it into a Revelator or should I just repaint it and keep it as is?

The last thing to be pumped about is theme forces.

I would love to see one with the following:

>When Rolling for Models with Unstable you may choose to have them explode.

Thats both powerful, but not crazy, also fun.

Cygnar deck?

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>>47460480


>army of the kingmaker

>select one friendly faction model/unit. That unit gains Ambush.

>>47460512
http://imgur.com/a/0LEvy

>>47460625
thank you!

>>47460512
Speaking of Cygnar, after seeing the Centurion model on the table *and* seeing its rules (being one of the few models in the game that I absolutely love both model and rules), I have the urge to assemble a 75 point Cygnar list.

Looking so far at:

pHaley +28
- Squire 5
- Centurion 17
- Centurion 17
Junior 4
- Charger 9
- Charger 9
Field Mechaniks (max) 5
Gun Mage Captain Adept 5
Gun Mage Captain Adept 5

But not sure where to go with the remaining 27 points (and even if two Chargers are useful), as playing against Cygnar, I'm left with feeling their infantry is utterly forgettable.

Help?

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>only the Cygnar deck is left

I bought the Legion all in one box on a whim ages ago but have neveer touched the game. How fucked am I?

• Saeryn, Omen of Everblight
• Scythean
• Neraph
• Angelius
• Nephilim Bloodseer
• Strider Rangers x6
• Strider Deathstalker
• 2 Blighted Nyss Shepherds

>>47459627
When does this mark 3 shit come out? Because I was going to go to my local game shop on Saturday and check it out I don't want to wait a month for this shit.

>>47460932
We already have it: >>47460625

>>47460972
I think the core rules for Mk. 3 will be released online for free in the first week of June. Then the cards and core rule books are released in the last week of June.

I think.

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>>47460625


>when Nemo allocates focus to any Jack in Finches control range, allocate 1 additional focus
>power up counts as allocation

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Anyone have non imgur links to the faction spoils, specifically khador? Old links got taken down

>>47460958
Just get a new warlock since saern got nerfed hard.

>>47461158
Hey, look, it's a Wild Argus.

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>>47461058
Other factions were uploaded by the same guy

>>47461095
Nope. Allocation is explicitly when the catser gives a jack focus.

>>47461463


Eh, so either way Nemo gets 3 focus on a Jack for only allocating 1 himself. Not too shabby at all.

So Mk1 ended with the death of Voyle and Mk2 ended with the death of Vinter. Mk3 will end with the death of Ayn Vanar. Screencap this.

Aurora +29
Corollary 6
Inverter 15
Diffuser 6
Mitigator 7
Eradicators 15
-TE 3
Eradicators 15
-TE 3
Perforators 18
-TE 3
Clockwork Angels 5
Steelsoul 4
Steelsoul 4

>Hey look, I'm inside your entire army!

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>>47461626


>perforators

>>47461201
Which one is a good all rounder/beginner?

>>47461647
I'm willing to try them, especially with the threat of the Mitigator knockdown assassination. If not, they come out and more infantry goes in.

Flight at least lets them get to the kind of targets they want to kill.

>>47461667


This issue you're going to run into real quick is that there's going to be a ton more high arm jacks on the field now and eradicators + a single inverter might not cut it

>>47461658
I'd say PThagrosh, or maybe Vayl1 or 2.

Unrelated, but would anyone like to help me work on the 1d4chan tactics pages to update them for the new edition?

yall got any of them leaks?

>>47461688
Aurora herself is actually super good at killing them, with angels to flank for her.

Some middling damage from the charging Angels(it was better when you could just put that CMAed POW15 into them, but boosted POW12s will put 6-7 boxes on an ARM20 heavy), and then Aurora uses feat to move up, either put some damage on them(if you can take their cortex out, you're good).

It's best if they get sloppy and leave two jacks next to each other, so you can flashing blade them both.

But she puts some damage on, bounces back, then the Perfs can finish them. Inverter can get the other.

Other things to do: move up, hit them to stationary them, mitigator to knock them down.

Plus, the big idea of the list is to fuck with their entire battle lines, because you just embed yourself in wonky ass spots using the feat. You can essentially spread your army across and inside their entire force, forcing them to have to do stupid shit to deal with it.

So what are your thoughts on Malekus? Do you think he'd be a good pair for Kreoss1?

>>47461600
What's with PP and villains with 'v' names?

>>47461791
It's the most villainous letter.

>>47461790
>pairing 2 knockdown centric casters together
Not really a good pair, but Malekus seems solid

>>47461852
I completely spaced on him having a knockdown spell. Whoops. Well, in that case, who do you think would pair best with Kreoss1? I was looking for a caster that would be able to crack high armor jacks and I thought between the feat and Ignite that Malekus would do ok.

Does anyone have a mirror to the card spoilers? The imgur albums seem to have been deleted.

So, whoes getting errattad first- lilyth3 or sloan?

>>47462184
There's so much errata to go into this thing.

Honestly though, there's some weird shit.

Syntherion, for example, has his Mk2 feat before it was errataed in the last document, so there might be some truth to these not being totally official.

>>47461968
probably someone tankier with some decent armor cracking.
Its hard to say because its a new meta, but you could try
Kreoss 2 or 3
Severius
Reznik
Amon
Feora (preferably 2)

>>47461968
Sevy1 would be good if you're ok with having two squishy casters.

Reznik1 also seems like a good choice, he seems like he's going to benefit a lot from the changes to battlegroups in the new edition.

>>47462248
Then again, Khador insider today is 100% consistent with the leaked cards so far, unless I missed something.

And it's not like PP is above printing nonsensical rules or typos, we've seen at least 3 just off the cards revealed in the Insiders.

>>47462368
Make that 4 typos, Soles confirmed that they forgot to change Karchev's fist to 1" reach, so there's another for the errata pile.

Is Sloan any good this edition?

>>47462368
I'm almost starting to wonder if Mk3 got a little rushed.

But there's a difference between typos and balancing junk. Even if the leaks aren't the final versions of the cards, I don't expect much to change. But maybe some.

>>47462461
She's got the potential to one round a colossal bottom of one.

What's a good Rahn list for MKIII?

>>47462478
singlehandedly?

>>47462500
Wait until we get the full rules to figure that out.

>>47462502
With her battlegroup.

>>47462461
Unless there is a rule in Prime that somehow makes long-range, high-pow, high-accuracy guns really bad, then expect her to be nerfed.

>>47462368
I'm pretty confident the leaks are what's going to be on the faction decks, but the WarRoom decks released at Lock and Load will contain errata, but the cards will be basically the same.

In other words, if your shit is nerfed, stop hoping the leaks aren't real, but if you've got some ridiculous rules interaction... don't hold your breath.

>>47462550

Why? She wasn't good in the previous edition.

She was a long range specialist without access to snipe, mediocre spells and poor focus.

>>47462550
What I'm thinking is terrain might be a big thing here.

If it's going to be that much more clumped together and have different effects, I'm betting terrain will keep you from getting those super battlegroup shots.

>>47462500
Definitely at leats 2 units of Battle Mages and Discordia.

I would also consider 1-2 additional heavies.

Just noticed that Hutchuck isn't in the minion deck I downloaded..anyone got the card or a link to him?

>>47462582
She now has better spells, a better feat and power-up.

Hell she even stole a spell from Kraye.

>>47462685
Sphinx has to be in a list with that much magic bullshit.

what main unit would be want though?

>>47462686
Some cards are missing.

>>47462582
Her feat now lets her take an extra shot with all her jacks, she picked up that spell that gives an extra die to hit for attacks in her battlegroup, and power up lets her run a shitload of ranged jacks without nearly as many issues.

>>47462706

Personally I'll likely take a unit of halb+UA for mobility and mini feat damage. They're cheap and can make good use of Discordias imprint

>>47462799
I'm torn between them and the Sentinels. Not sure which I'd rather have, need some table time to figure it out.

>>47462500
75 rahn +26
Hypnos-18
Phoenix-18
2 chimera-16
2 battle Mage units 20
2 artificers- 10
2 magisters- 8
Sylys- 4
Eiryss2-6
2 arcanist-4
100 points

>>47461581
True. Especially now that finch and him are a unit. Meaning he can grab that squire for more focus.

>>47462879
Too many arc nodes and not enough hitting power. You need to lore stuff in and then smash it, not just lore it in.

>>47462855
I can se where you're coming from, but I value the Halberdier's cheapness and speed+reposition to be more valuable in this army.

It lets me take my MHAs and Stormfalls.

>>47462879

Do you really need Hypnos? I'd Take a sphinx instead, drop the 2nd chimera, and use the remaining points to bring more solos that can work in any list like Mage Hunter Assassins, Ghost Snipers, or even a unit of Stormfall.

>>47462898


>Nemo can run three jacks at three focus per turn while still slinging spells

Sickening.


Also I noticed the stormblade captain is actually a really good Jack marshal for a stormclad.

One free focus to charge, +2 to damage and a free additional attack with a follow up pow 13 weapon master hit

>>47463014
Problem with halberds if you only get 1 turn of solid damage. Weapon master is much more reliable.

>>47463130
True that, I had that problem occasionally in MK2, but the point cost difference can make a pretty big difference elsewhere in your army.

>>47462544
She can kill your caster 3" into your deployment. So thats cool I guess.

>Quote Originally Posted by PPS_MrSoles
>The Koldun Lord does not have Power Booster, but we intend for the Faction to access to it from another source. I cannot talk about that >just yet, but in play test something clicked with us and we went with it. I will explain more when the time is right.

OK then, I put my money on theme list. Unless Soles guy thinks that 1 Jack Marshal with Assault in the faction with the Jacks that need it the least counts.

So on the Retribution facebook page someone mentioned the cards for the new Ret Solo Healer floating around somewhere, any cool spoiler-bros got a hook up for this one as it's missing from the spoiled Ret deck.

>>47463341
Mercenary solo with power booster.

>>47463549
Fuck me your right:

"During playesting, I realized we lacked 20 bucks for pizza, and something just clicked"

I threw together barebones army builder spreadsheets for mk3 legion and circle in google sheets but I don't think I can share them without it attaching my name, any suggestions other than making a fake google account? I'll be working on some other factions later on

>>47463438
It's not missing, exactly. It's not even supposed to be there.

Yeah, I knew that, Helios isn't in it either because his model will be Mk III exclusive, more hoping someone has the translation card for Ret that gave spoilers for the Thorn Gunmges and the like that also won't be in the decks.

Speaking of thorn gunmages, did anyone save the image of that?

Khador list I'm taking to a game tomorrow

pSorscha +29
Beast 01 21
Juggernaut 12

Iron Fang Pikemen 15
UA 4
Great Bears 9
IF Kovnik 4
Widowmakers 8
Greylord Ternion 7
Min mechaniks 3
Min kossites 7
Drakhun 9
Winter Guard Mortar 5

Kossites and mechanik are being replaced by talon and dirt meg if the talon arrives tomorrow afternoon before the game. I'm fighting menoth and stationary with a powerful charge should be nice for weaponmaster sorscha.

hey guys so...legions animi have become mostly target self, im new to hordes for mk3 and I was wondering if this means that the only things that can cast it are the warbeast on itself using its own fury alotment, or the warlock on itself. Thanks

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>>47463790
That's exactly what it means. There is an exception with the Nephilim Bloodseer, since it cn cast other beast animi as its own.

I'm not sure the indictor will be worth it over a templar.
Especially since A&H are now only FF

>>47463969
I think it will with casters who lack a damage buff outside of choir or who have access to anti-shooting tech. You can use them to skew pretty hard on the anti-magic side of things, they're still hardy, and the innate anti-magic properties means that they can only be damaged in melee, by feats, or via magical ranged attacks.

anybody have the new skorne warlock card or can give me the jist of what he does?

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>>47464238
first one (clipped from NQ66)

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>>47464238
Second one

>>47464238
He's a 6s across the board type, 15/14 caster. His witch mark on whips is a goddamn trap.

His spell list is phenomenal and his feat is an excellent debuff to the opponent.

The jury is still out on whether he can contribute and survive. Kara Sloan says probably not.

>>47464393
>>47464382

thanks

>>47464238

control debuff warlock. Fury 6 but because of Maltreatment hes "fury 7". Someone else posted his card just above.

he seems great, dont know if i'd drop him against assassination lists though

>>47464413
pardon my ignorance - Kara Sloan? I know how to Google - but I would appreciate your perspective.

>>47464587

she can kill you 3" into your deployment zone with a horde of AP shots (which work on small bases now)

I hope the Titan gladiator and swordsmen in the 2-player box are built normally, I want to turn the swordsmen into keltarii and the gladiator into a canoneer with spare parts.

>>47464623

speaking of the two player boxes the units seem to be

Cryx = Bane Warriors (thralls)
Cygnar = Stormguard (probably)
Skorne = Swordsmen
Trolls = can't make these out, anybody have a guess?

>>47464612
Mind you, with the amount of terrain they supposedly want on the board now, it's not likely she'll get enough shots.

Did anyone have the foresight to save the card images off imgur, and if so can they post it please I feel lost.

>>47464660

Fennblades that get shit on by swordsmen supported by xekaar. no tough for you motherfuckers + need 10s to hit under feat

>>47464720
Just go back a couple threads and find the pdf links

>>47464720
What are you looking for? Here's the gyst I've got;

eMadrak is apparently never going to be assassinated?

Khador stronk. Butcher3 is essentially unchanged.

Cryx is no longer utter bullshit.

Cygnar is still bullshit. Arcane shield and Stormwall unchanged, the hammersmith costs as much as the now nerfed Archidon, and less than the now nerfed earthborn dire troll.

Everything that was good in Circle got better, and everything that was shitty got shittier.

Legion has to consider their plethora of good to decent infantry options now.

Skorne lost a significant amount of defensive stats to the Krea and agonizer tax, Rasheth and 3Makeda are now fully functional regardless of most matchups.

Minions and mercs are pretty ferocious. The battleboar picked up primal and berzerk and overtake.

Ret stronk. Ossyan got deadeye, GG

CoC essentially unchanged.

So, reading Blood of Kings, and it bothers the fuck out of me that whenever they talk about Feora or Thyra, they use their full titles.

Like, why the fuck would they bother?

>>47464884
The actual cards the imgur links were taken down.

>>47464935
I've got the ones leaked from the russians, no trolls or cygnar though. File size is saying it's too large to post though.

>>47464923
It's always Feora, Priestess and Protector of the Flame whenever she's mentioned anywhere.

>>47460914
Any comments on this? Still trying to figure out how to run Cygnar in mk3.

>>47466300
mk3 isn't out yet buddy

we're all of us figuring it out

>>47466300
What is there to comment on when you give 0 indication of what you intend to accomplish and what you are going to play against?

"Yep, those are cygnar models alright"

Just finished Blood of Kings

What do you think Magnus said to Vinter?

>>47466669
Here comes dat boi

>>47466707

o shit waddup!

So, what if I parked a Cyclops Brute a few inches in front of my infantry during my turn so enemy infantry can't charge them? I mean, if you try and charge my infantry you'll eat free strikes from the Brute, and infantry doesn't stand a chance of killing a Brute like that.

>>47466847
They just kill the Brute instead?

Brutes aren't exactly the most hardy of monsters.

>>47466853
Yeah, but def 15 vs charges is pretty legit.

>>47466853
15DEF vs charges and 18ARM. It's gonna take an awful lot of your infantry to clear that out, and that means bunching up nicely for my Nihilators next turn. Remember that the Brute is going from 5 to 8 points as well so is more expendable.

>>47466669
psssh nothing personell . . . kid

>>47462544
That is technically possible i guess. If you have loaded dice.

9 hunter shots on any colossal is gonna do about 27 damage, non boosted. So if you roll boxcars, every jack, you can take it out. But if you aren't cheating your balls off, its gonna be pretty negligible to a colossal.

>>47464884
>Everything that was good in Circle got better, and everything that was shitty got shittier.
Sure sure sure, especially feral is shite and argus is shite. You kiddin me, aye?

>>47461704
>Unrelated, but would anyone like to help me work on the 1d4chan tactics pages to update them for the new edition?
I would not. Too much work. But I will say you are awesome for doing so yourself, and I can't wait to read your work.

So are Bastions still great in Menoth? Are Cinerators worth considering now?

>>47467301
Not according to all those sad souls over at the Salty Menite Bar and Heretic Grill.

>>47467235
Congratulations, you found the two things that break the trend, want a cookie?

Feral actually isn't that much better, you still need a Primal-bot, so if you take the Feral for that you can't get work out of him early because if he dies you suddenly don't have Primal anymore and can't trade with heavies. Also he still doesn't have Pathfinder (in an edition where terrain will be more common), can no longer gain Ghostly from the Pureblood, and lost 2" off his stone teleport range.

Like he's better than he was in Mk2, but that isn't saying much. He might get played in a few ultra-beast-heavy lists that are willing to pay the points for an extra backup heavy instead of the Gorax, but that's about it.

>>47467301
Bastions are dead. Cinerators might be worth it, we won't really know until the Mk3 meta shakes out but I'd give 50/50 odds that they end up being playable.

>>47466902
And now you're assuming your opponent has nothing to lower defense or armor to make it easier to kill.

>>47467318
Dammit. Now I have to make that as a terrain piece.

>>47461704
I might do the Convergence ones in a few months, once I have the new Induction mechanic and the oddities of the faction ironed out.

Even then, I'd give it a while for more complicated stuff, I'm willing to bet the game changes wildly in six months.

>>47466300
Sloan
Hunters x9

Thats it im p sure

>>47467000
I don't have the leaks, but doesn't she get an extra shot with her feat?

So she shoots with her feat, then they activate normally and shoot again, getting a boosted damage AP shot to follow up?

>>47464884

Stormwall is nerfed. Covering fire is pow 10s, and only 3 pods for the game. It's still great but I'd slot merc colossals as being better, and well given just how freaking amazing the light and heavy jacks are in Cygnar, I think Stormwall isn't going to be showing up nearly as much. Prepare to be choking on Centurions though.

And Although the Journeyman kept Arc shield its effectively 6 points due to the in built jack costs.

Kara Sloan is the first Warcaster that's going to be nerfed, due to hunter spam. That or PP will just nerf the hunter instead.

Anyone have a link to the minion leaked cards? the faggot removed them off imgur

Thyron -27
*Sphinx 13
*Banshee 18

Halbediers 13
*Officer 4
Sentinels 18
*Officer 4
Battlemages 10

Arcanist 2
Arcanist 2
Arcanist 2
Issyen 8
MHA 4
MHA 4
75

Thyron without any Ranged Unit y/n?

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>>47467897
Seconding this request

>>47468053
Just checked through the archived threads, all links to albums/deck pdfs seem to 404, including original russian leak :(

>>47468207
>>47468053
https://file.io/aRVscK

Anyone want to share the Blood of Kings pdf?

>>47468265

Doesn't work for me

Anybody saved a copy of the legion or khador deck ? I planned to play a buddy of mine in a mkII.5 game ...

>>47460914
If you're going with Haley 1, you should be trying to utilize all her tools. Her best spells are Temporal Barrier, Arcane Shield, and Dead Eye. Chain lightning took a big hit in mk3, and Scramble got changed dramatically to become really corner case to cast. Her feat, Blitz, needs units to be truly effective. The Centurions are great AS targets, and getting a squire will bring TB from great to stupid great. I suggest you should also grab trenchers or long gunners to make the most of the feat. In fact, see about dropping one of the chargers to get both units. Getting a third pow 20ish cra from the long gunners is probably better than the unboosted pow 12 from the charger, and the trenchers make a great tar pit.

>>47463586
>During ""playtesting"" I realized I was a massive twat so I buffed Butch3r.

>>47468657
>can't handle B3
>laughingrussians.png

>>47468558
Yeah sure

>>47467411
I think the Stormwall still looks really powerful, and pow 10s will still do just fine. 3 pods is also totally reasonable. I'm pretty sure the cyclone infantry template is a star action now, so a Stormwall is probably still better than a cyclone and some other bros.

I'm not saying it wasn't changed, but I feel like if you're refusing to take it because 3 pods and pow 10 you're just kidding yourself. Or maybe you're playing a massive stable of jacks that are finally viable. Either way it remains an excellent collossal.

Anyone got cryx cards? The link from previous therad is dead.

Does anyone have the new ATGM and attachment cards?

what the fuck did they do to orin midwinter? other than that blood of kings is bretty gud

>>47469869

hes just a bodyguard mook now, a decent one, but nowhere near his 12' fuck you bubble

>>47470062

sorry meant lorewise, they really fucked with him in the new story

>>47470082

oh right, i haven't read the new lore about him, what kind of fuckery went down?

>>47468657
>butcher3
>buff

He lost 4" on his threat range. That's a nerf, son.

>>47466669
MUH DICK or I'm building a wall and Skorne is paying for it

>>47468653
Thanks bro.

Anyone have a good reason not to throw mk2 cards away?

>>47470106

retconned so either he didn't know all the bad stuff the inquisitors were doing and was totally innocent or he was brainwashed to believe he didn't know and was totally innocent

>>47469821
http://www.megafileupload.com/b1si/fljkjv.rar

I can reup it any time you guys want.

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>>47470191

Blood of Kings pdf out yet?

>>47470227

fekkin ugh. Makes me want to move even faster on my way to the trash

>>47470196

wat.jpg. that is some fuckery

so the goody two shoes orin midwinter whos no longer batshit crazy just casually happens to work for skorne still, makes sense

>>47470227
>You too can be an attention seeking faggot who has no respect for the thing the group you want attention from likes

Burn them, burn them all. Prevent THIS from happening.

>>47470220

mind putting the minions one up?

>>47470325
It's in the rar ya dingus.

>>47470270
>>47470196

That's not quite what I took away.

When he was described by others to Julius, they say that he was devoted entirely to rooting out the dangerous magics, and either unaware or turned a blind eye to the darker inquisition stuff but overall didn't take part. When he speaks to Julius himself however, he admits he was aware of it all but didn't take part at least in the events that surrounding Julius personally, and his admission of all the bad he's done is framed as years of guilt and regret for doing bad things for a man he thought was good but turned out to be a dick.

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Can someone esxplain these too to me?
After ATGM UA lost true sight I'm looking for alternatives to fight stealth with my mercs and these too came to mind.

Except they now seem even worth than in MK3 where I thought they were barely usable. Am I missing something?

>>47470270
Him working for the Skorne hasn't made sense since Mk1 anyway because he only worked for them because of Vinter. Same with Magnus2 and Saxon Orrik.

>>47470395
actual mercs?

or some kind of faction affiliate?

reinholdt can unstealth and so can Madelyn

>>47470500
I expect to see Madelyn everywhere. She's hilarious now

>>47470395
Also, why does everyone hate Saxon Orrik?

>>47470631
Oh god this.

She can follow Denny 3, an undead wizard riding a fucking dragon breathing fire on shit, and say "nope, we're having a diplomatic discussion, you can't attack us" and it works.

>>47470651


Because Doug just forgot about him halfway through blood of kings and he was never mentioned again.

>>47470631
She's going to have a target on her head because she shuts down melee assassination.

Link to Cryx deck please?

>>47470395
I like how these two are basically reverse Aiyana & Holt.

Just look at that art. You can almost hear Edrea telling Lynus to get down before he gets himself shot.

>>47470836
>>47470220

>>47470220
>http://www.megafileupload.com/b1si/fljkjv.rar
Am I fucking retarded, I can't desciphre what to click to dl

>>47470939
Yes.

>>47470939
it's only mild, you should be ok.

cross @ traffic lights to be sure

Theorymachining about Circle.

Increasingly, I'm looking at eKromac/Woldwrath as the go-to build for early Mk3 Circle. Sooo much synergy, and the magic monkey got some serious boosts (like, Spell Ward to Sacred Ward and a huge buff to its gun).

So eKromac upkeeps Vengeful on the WW. It gets attacked, either by a heavy or a swarm of infantry. The first attack goes off, the WW takes its Retaliatory Strike -- and drops a knockdown aura, stopping a lot of the incoming damage and jamming up the area. It's only MAT 6 and can't be boosted, sure, but most stuff that is going to threaten it is pretty low DEF.

Kromac then has 6 fury left, and if he's feeling risky can drop either 3 normal or 2 boosted damage POW 16 nukes, all with an extra die on the attack roll due to the WW's animus (and can even boost the hit if he needs to).

And Wurmwood can effectively teleport 14" (Cassius runs, Wurmwood casts Dark Path) and drop his "everything within 14" is a forest" feat, which a) may get bitched about more than eKrueger's feat because it will just fucking *shut down* a lot of armies, and combined with Lanyssa Ryssyk will shut down... everybody. It will also make Ravagers interesting under him.

I had briefly hoped the changes would give Kaya1 a chance to shine, as she gets built-in fury management and can spirit door to replace the loss of target-other sprint, but... she still doesn't have much else to work with (and the new argus makes her +2 MAT passive less important).

I ahve been playing some games with the info we have now and I love this breath of freash air.

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>>47470500
>reinholdt can unstealth and so can Madelyn

Reinhold or Madelein would be interesting but I'd have to forgo taking sylys and merc casters have so little focus..why the fuck did they have to nerf gun mages. Everything was so easy in mk2 with them.

>>47471359
Because stealth was practically irrelevant on anything but heavies and casters. sometimes even on those.

>>47471249
Spirit Door has a massive flaw now, not being able to attack has nerfed what she was originally intended to be and leaves her lack luster no matter what changes they make.

It's kind of silly considering how easy it is to assassinate from range but porting a beast in is FAR too broken to allow.

>>47471249


Remember the Druid Wilder can upkeep a spell for free, letting kromac start at a full 7. Investing in some bog trog shamblers for Kromac to eat for heart tokens early on might also be advisable, since that's three attacks you can bank for later

I'm glad the monkey is doing better and I hope zapdos gets better as well

>>47471359
True Sight everywhere made Stealth pointless.

It's the same reason why lots of units lost weapon master and POW buffs became sparser. Too much of this stuff made things that should be advantageous mostly useless.

>>47471371
>>47471421

Looking at cygnar they still have lot's of options to remove stealth. Captain adept and gun mage sniper have true sight, haven't they? Makes me a bit jelous 2bqh.

Did many units loose stealth in mk3? I can only think of banes.

>>47471421

how many units lost WM?

>>47471454

Gun Mage captain adept got a lot better. Being able to choose two spell effects leads to some spoopy good anti solo threat

>>47471468


Bane Knights

Great bears

Man o wars

>>47471400
Uh, now? Unless it was different in Mk1 (I started Circle in Mk2), Spirit Door has always not allowed attacks afterwards because it exists to pull a beast back to safety after it attacks. The Stalker kinda obsoleted Kaya1, since that was her main trick.

Spirit Shift (Laris animus) still allows attacking after use, and with the new Argus makes her (Kaya2) a solid assassination threat with it.

>It's kind of silly considering how easy it is to assassinate from range but porting a beast in is FAR too broken to allow.

You've read Ghetorix's card, right, either in Mk2 or Mk3? The only time I've had him fail an assassination was when he got to Lylyth2 on full fury camp, but he blew up 3 Ravagores from transfers and *almost* killed her. Nothing in the game has that kind of offensive output at range. A Revelator under Malekus's feat will be close, though.

>>47471472
Don't underestimate making a model not block LoS, too, which is going to set up some amusing assassinations.

>>47471400


Stones always existed to allow non linear movement, not necessarily further charge ranges. Warpath and hunters Mark were the two genuinely useful range extenders in circle after double port got the dick, and desu pKromac can still trivially give a stalker or Ghetorix 11" of out of activation movement before deleting a target.

>>47471575
I played during MKI. It used to be Kaya's thing to get a beast up and port in to start whacking people or to port in something that could do the whacking for her.

I like Kaya 2, I'm tempted to pick up her, run her and 2-3 beasts plus minions.

>>47467301
I dunno, my menoth friend thinks that since vengeance triggers on damaged instead of destroyed now cinerators could be useful.

>>47460625
is it just me or are the hammersmith, trenchers, long gunners, stormnouns still unplayable

>because of all the whining by people who can't play all my cryx is now unplayable unless I get a colossal
Fuck you pp, I'm going to play 40k with my new Chinese models instead

>>47471713
i want me some chinese
you get goodprice on dumpling?

>>47471741
It's 9$ for Dark Vengeance termies and 5$ per character, 30$ per forge world dread

>>47471755
sounds a shitload better than that english fare.

got a menu you care to share?

>>47471687


Stormguard are unplayable

Trenchers are legit

Long gunners with UA are excellent now

Stormblades are at least a fun pick instead of just a waste of points

Hammer smith is absurdly cheap and can be filled with focus extremely easily by Nemo

>>47471713
>Because I'm a colossal power gaming faggot, I only own the most bullshit models for my faction and never even diversified a little.

Cryx had plenty of uses for its other units, if you only played the same things over and over.... You were part of the problem of MKII.

it's okay though. We didn't get nerfed too bad. Feel free to be salty about Cygnar keeping all its bullshit tho

>>47471249
Also, Reeves with ROF 2 POW 8 shots aren't as useless as I originally thought. Their UA is now an auto-include (for Go to Ground), so that's 2 PS 19 CRAs per turn, which isn't terrible (but probably not enough to make them general-purpose), but under Tannith they get... good:

Step 1: Deliver Argus.
Step 2: Woof.
Step 3: Cast Affliction. Cast Scything Touch, too, if you feel frisky.
Step 4: Shoot target 22 times with shots that do a *minimum* of 1 damage, and hit on not-snake-eyes against a target in cover or engaged.

And this isn't taking into account the new Druids (while I consider them nerfed overall, they *each* get an aoe knockdown spell, and can still at least push stuff around, which means they can do shenanigans like knock down enemy heavy, push it back into the real target, and then anchor another aoe knockdown on it).

PP taketh away, but sometimes, PP giveth.

>>47471665
Ah, didn't realize that. Sounds insane, but everything I've heard about Mk1 is it was the epitome of just fucking blowing shit up on turn 2.

>>47471843
That's just people talking bullshit. It's no more insane than MKII's assassination runs. You need to protect your caster from their caster or warbeasts.

>>47471820


Tbh I'm happier with Druids being less of a fucking commitment to take. Now they're toolbox battle mages rather than a big fragile 9 point investment I have to keep an eye on

Hey guys, how does this look? I can only paint so much until MK3..

>Ashlyn+29
>Mule+15
>Gallant+17 [ALT1 Roccinante]
>Sylys+4
>ATGM+UA+15
>Thorn gun mages+9
>Nyss full +19 [ALT 2 Precursors with UA]
>Versh +4 [ALT 2 Piper]
>Tarin di la rossivi +5 [ALT1 Pendrake]
>Major Gibbs +4
>Eyriss1 +7
>Bokur +5

Second list will be damiano + nyss +20 hammerdworfs to smack armour.

>>47471669
Wait, does that mean an enemy can kill a single Errant, Harby can Martyr it back and it still procs Vengence? The model was still damaged by an enemy attack, it was just instantly healed.

>>47472065
Yes.

>>47472065
Actually no, errants don't have vengeance.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10312122

>>47471811
Cryx isnt the only faction whoes go to units were nerfed

Im personally only salty about the raiders loosing AD and bloodgorgers becoming useless. Also our units dont seem particularly cheap or spamable, comparitivly

So a friend and I were considering going in halves to get a two player battle box, but our main concern if replayability.

How much variance would be in the games with only one set of units available?

>>47471771
Mail [email protected] for menu. It's 40$ for a Imperial Knight, 25 for most forge world Terminators, 40$ for Fliers and yeah, it's reasonable price.

>>47472160
Mechanithralls are now garbage.
Bane Thralls are also garbage. Same reason every 12/15 unit is at speed 5 and no way to up it.
That's two of my 4 units. Satyxis and Knights are nerfed, but playable. At least Knights are priced as they should be.
The spammable cheap infantry feel isn't the feel you can have at all, since everything is costed as much as for other factions.
Everyone gets reasonable buffs and nerfs, but pSkarre is now outright unplayable because you can't fucking heal her, with the nerfs to power field she is a walking Dark Guidance that also must have a colossal.

>>47472269
thanks

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Okay, so, these models are great.

Considering their shitty victim stats, short range, low RAT for their number of shots, and absolute lack of any defensive tech, what reason could I possibly have to use them?

>>47472350
Quiet yourself.

Your stuff isn't garbage, it's exactly as it should be. Bane Thralls need support to survive? Well, it's a good thing that almost all your casters can fuck over the ability of enemy units to hit stuff.

Stop whining you entitled little shit. You had the best infantry in the game coupled with the best support from warcasters in the game. Now you have infantry that need that support to drag their potential out. All is as it should be.

>>47472569
>Quiet yourself.
Fuck off
>Your stuff isn't garbage, it's exactly as it should be.
Yes, because mat 5 pow 10 without reach is a great deal as well as 12/15 victim stats with no defensive tech.
>Bane Thralls need support to survive? Well, it's a good thing that almost all your casters can fuck over the ability of enemy units to hit stuff.
Umm which ones? Two casters, Coven and pDenny? Who else?
>Stop whining you entitled little shit. You had the best infantry in the game coupled with the best support from warcasters in the game.
Which now got turned into shit.
>Now you have infantry that need that support to drag their potential out. All is as it should be.
Support they can get is meagre. You ran high numbers exactly because you couldn't help them live, but only a few were needed to do stuff. Now it'll just be a killing field, and when you get there not much will be done.
Fuck off you shit player.

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>>47458639
Amon Ad-Raza is sure looking Manowar there.

>>47472160
Bloodgorgers got better though.

>>47472383


Look at their Mk3 stats. Breddy ok

No Cryx player used Bloodgorgers because all their other Inf was just better. Now Banes are not as OP as before, Im pretty sure Bloodgorgers will show up now and then.

So the NQ battle report had terrain modifiers. Two mentioned were acid bath (water that gives cont corrosion on entry) and a burning forest (gives cont fire)

Will be interesting to see the full rules for terrain

>>47472712
Not really since bloodgorgers got nerfed too.

>>47472818
How? Without Gerlak they're straight buffed with half an inch more melee range, +1 ARM, Unyielding and Overtake. With Gerlak they lost knockdown immunity but gained Berserk.

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>>47458639
I this Liefeld's contribution to Warmachine?

>>47472712
It's because medium base+ no reach and gang making them awkward from design point.
They saw some play in tier lists because ad and pathfinder made them worthwhile.

>>47472629
>with no defensive tech.

what is stealth

>>47472845
Without gang their offensive stats are pathetic and Gerlaks buff is far less useful than what it used to be. Gerlak got nerfed too with a points increase and reach nerf.

>>47472889
My bad, that was removed. But 'ey, now they can go hide in forests.

>>47472889
It's what they used to have, but lost.

>>47472920
That's the problem. If they kept Tough and lost stealth or other way around it would be completely reasonable.
They are stuck with the same stats shit cygnar units had, which is why they didn't see play and they did it to banes.

Hey guys I've been picking up Legion on the cheap for MK3 and it seems like going for either the new or the old battleboxes seems like a bad idea with shredders being nerfed, the neraph not being particularly good, the carnivean being the lesser choice between scythean and ravagore.

The stuff i've been getting so far includes Raptors, anyssa and legionnaires. What I want to ask is should i just get character beasts and a carni chasis kit instead of getting any of the battleboxes or do you still think they hold some value in MK3

>>47472350
As it stands, the only time I take bane thralls is a min unit with no ua for gaspy2's feat. I dont really see that happening now, especially with the ILO providing dark shroud.
Imo, pSkarre is perfectly fine, you just have to use your feat to finish the game.

>>47472659
Heres what made Bloodgorgers attractive: gang, steady and 2 attacks. An independant unit that can hit accurately.

They're new incarnation is supposed to blend through infantry in the 'fuck infantry edition' but they need a nat fixer to hit the infsntry they are suposed to blend. Also, cryx doesnt have an issue clearing out infantry.

>>47472892
Gerlak doesn't have 2 inch reach anymore?

>>47472988
>As it stands, the only time I take bane thralls is a min unit with no ua for gaspy2's feat. I dont really see that happening now, especially with the ILO providing dark shroud.
A unit without UA, which sucks now, is okayish if you have 40 models on the table at 140 points. That's how you can get them to the fight and Ghostly helps. But as only or second unit, never.
>Imo, pSkarre is perfectly fine, you just have to use your feat to finish the game.
I see her as a Colossal caster with 20+ Bane Knights, her spam has changed from multiple unit types to only one because they are one of the rare units that aren't slow as fuck, have pathfinder and don't plink at armor. Her feat won't be affecting more than a few. Like I've said, necrosurgeon for some reason got crushed and can no longer heal her at all. Without him, you have... The Corruptor which is still kind of crap.
>>>47472659
>Heres what made Bloodgorgers attractive: gang, steady and 2 attacks. An independant unit that can hit accurately.
Yup. Also, good for screening.
> They're new incarnation is supposed to blend through infantry in the 'fuck infantry edition' but they need a nat fixer to hit the infsntry they are suposed to blend. Also, cryx doesnt have an issue clearing out infantry.
2 pow 11 mat 6 attacks are kind of pathetic without reach for the price. Unyielding doesn't mean much.

>>47473063
No, for a model that didn't see all that much play he sure did take a hit.

>>47472242
That depends on available terrain and the use of scenarios. The nature of the game is that one new purchase, often of a new warnoun, can completely change your play.

In brief, use the starter to figure out if you even like the rules, but don't expect to stay with just the starter for long if you do end up liking the game.

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Oh hey guys, what's everybody working on? Post pictures of your random stuff.

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>>47473630
Practicing blending mostly. Thought about this scheme for the Circle army I was thinking of starting

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>>47473630
New Retribution colour scheme while I wait for my Minions to arrive.

In any of the spoiled cards did we ever see what the two new Protectorate models actually do? I know there is a KE UA, dunno what the other is.

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>>47473630
Painting my pigs

Going for a sorta punk rock/Emperor's Children look with the pink and black.

>>47474012
You do know there's a bunch of retards who do tit tumour awareness with the pink right? Worth making a note of.

>>47474051
Whats that have to do with anything?

>>47474012
The pink turned out very well, good job

>>47474085
Those type of people tend to be white knighty fucktards interested in social justice bullshit. It can go either way though, some times you just get decent chaps who see a chance to make an extra buck to help people out. Either way it's an attention magnet he may not be prepared for.

>>47474158


Tips fedora

>>47474158
Just go back to /pol/

>>47474158


You have to be school shooter tier delusional to think breast cancer awareness is SJW

>>47474220
Nah, I was here before you and I will be here when you're watching your mother get raped by Muslims.

>>47474262
I never said that. I said the type of people it attracts in THIS community lean that way. Don't forget wargaming is being infiltrated by these people and they look for a good cause to latch onto to use as a shield against personal attacks. They have no problem co opting charities and twisting them into social justice bullshit and that's what I've seen happen to many charities I've supported.

>>47474306


The only one viewing warmachine as an ideological battleground is you, neckbeard.

Also if you're a true /pol/ack you better play Menoth