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What factions do you play, not just own but actually play?
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>>47458374
If you must put them into a generic fantasy layout, Skorne are hobgoblins. They're the taller, better organized relatives of the more common goblinoids -- they have the same head ridges and pointy ears that Iron Kingdoms gobbers do.
As far as I remember, at one point Seacat *said* they were hobgoblins publicly but walked it back later.
But really, Skorne are Skorne. If you're playing D&D 3.5 and only pulling from the Monster Manual, though, they're hobgoblins.
Just found out that the ENTIRE DISTRIBUTOR my store orders from, which supports like 600 stores or something, is getting 6 copies of each Hordes starter. My store is getting 4 of each of those. Wew.
>>47459127
Im just having my friends pick them up at LnL for me
Tell me somebody has a scan of NQ 66 by now. I have a bloody subscription, and I'm still waiting for it.
>>47458639
>not Magnus was Right edition
One job
>>47459380
Cryxian Pirate posted one 1-2 threads back. Search the archive.
I plan on getting into this game soon(never played a miniature wargame before). Should I just wait for the new edition or whatever before I buy anything?
>>47459510
Yes.
>>47459380
http://www60.zippyshare.com/v/S5o0KN38/file.html
Who is best Minion warlock?
>>47459887
Calaban.
So, I was able to acquire a fully pinned but badly painted Judicator for 60 dollars. Should I do some conversion work and make it into a Revelator or should I just repaint it and keep it as is?
The last thing to be pumped about is theme forces.
I would love to see one with the following:
>When Rolling for Models with Unstable you may choose to have them explode.
Thats both powerful, but not crazy, also fun.
Cygnar deck?
>>47460480
>army of the kingmaker
>select one friendly faction model/unit. That unit gains Ambush.
>>47460512
http://imgur.com/a/0LEvy
>>47460625
thank you!
>>47460512
Speaking of Cygnar, after seeing the Centurion model on the table *and* seeing its rules (being one of the few models in the game that I absolutely love both model and rules), I have the urge to assemble a 75 point Cygnar list.
Looking so far at:
pHaley +28
- Squire 5
- Centurion 17
- Centurion 17
Junior 4
- Charger 9
- Charger 9
Field Mechaniks (max) 5
Gun Mage Captain Adept 5
Gun Mage Captain Adept 5
But not sure where to go with the remaining 27 points (and even if two Chargers are useful), as playing against Cygnar, I'm left with feeling their infantry is utterly forgettable.
Help?
>only the Cygnar deck is left
I bought the Legion all in one box on a whim ages ago but have neveer touched the game. How fucked am I?
• Saeryn, Omen of Everblight
• Scythean
• Neraph
• Angelius
• Nephilim Bloodseer
• Strider Rangers x6
• Strider Deathstalker
• 2 Blighted Nyss Shepherds
>>47459627
When does this mark 3 shit come out? Because I was going to go to my local game shop on Saturday and check it out I don't want to wait a month for this shit.
>>47460932
We already have it: >>47460625
>>47460972
I think the core rules for Mk. 3 will be released online for free in the first week of June. Then the cards and core rule books are released in the last week of June.
I think.
>>47460625
>when Nemo allocates focus to any Jack in Finches control range, allocate 1 additional focus
>power up counts as allocation
Anyone have non imgur links to the faction spoils, specifically khador? Old links got taken down
>>47460958
Just get a new warlock since saern got nerfed hard.
>>47461158
Hey, look, it's a Wild Argus.
>>47461058
Other factions were uploaded by the same guy
>>47461095
Nope. Allocation is explicitly when the catser gives a jack focus.
>>47461463
Eh, so either way Nemo gets 3 focus on a Jack for only allocating 1 himself. Not too shabby at all.
So Mk1 ended with the death of Voyle and Mk2 ended with the death of Vinter. Mk3 will end with the death of Ayn Vanar. Screencap this.
Aurora +29
Corollary 6
Inverter 15
Diffuser 6
Mitigator 7
Eradicators 15
-TE 3
Eradicators 15
-TE 3
Perforators 18
-TE 3
Clockwork Angels 5
Steelsoul 4
Steelsoul 4
>Hey look, I'm inside your entire army!
>>47461626
>perforators
>>47461201
Which one is a good all rounder/beginner?
>>47461647
I'm willing to try them, especially with the threat of the Mitigator knockdown assassination. If not, they come out and more infantry goes in.
Flight at least lets them get to the kind of targets they want to kill.
>>47461667
This issue you're going to run into real quick is that there's going to be a ton more high arm jacks on the field now and eradicators + a single inverter might not cut it
>>47461658
I'd say PThagrosh, or maybe Vayl1 or 2.
Unrelated, but would anyone like to help me work on the 1d4chan tactics pages to update them for the new edition?
yall got any of them leaks?
>>47461688
Aurora herself is actually super good at killing them, with angels to flank for her.
Some middling damage from the charging Angels(it was better when you could just put that CMAed POW15 into them, but boosted POW12s will put 6-7 boxes on an ARM20 heavy), and then Aurora uses feat to move up, either put some damage on them(if you can take their cortex out, you're good).
It's best if they get sloppy and leave two jacks next to each other, so you can flashing blade them both.
But she puts some damage on, bounces back, then the Perfs can finish them. Inverter can get the other.
Other things to do: move up, hit them to stationary them, mitigator to knock them down.
Plus, the big idea of the list is to fuck with their entire battle lines, because you just embed yourself in wonky ass spots using the feat. You can essentially spread your army across and inside their entire force, forcing them to have to do stupid shit to deal with it.
So what are your thoughts on Malekus? Do you think he'd be a good pair for Kreoss1?
>>47461600
What's with PP and villains with 'v' names?
>>47461791
It's the most villainous letter.
>>47461790
>pairing 2 knockdown centric casters together
Not really a good pair, but Malekus seems solid
>>47461852
I completely spaced on him having a knockdown spell. Whoops. Well, in that case, who do you think would pair best with Kreoss1? I was looking for a caster that would be able to crack high armor jacks and I thought between the feat and Ignite that Malekus would do ok.
Does anyone have a mirror to the card spoilers? The imgur albums seem to have been deleted.
So, whoes getting errattad first- lilyth3 or sloan?
>>47462184
There's so much errata to go into this thing.
Honestly though, there's some weird shit.
Syntherion, for example, has his Mk2 feat before it was errataed in the last document, so there might be some truth to these not being totally official.
>>47461968
probably someone tankier with some decent armor cracking.
Its hard to say because its a new meta, but you could try
Kreoss 2 or 3
Severius
Reznik
Amon
Feora (preferably 2)
>>47461968
Sevy1 would be good if you're ok with having two squishy casters.
Reznik1 also seems like a good choice, he seems like he's going to benefit a lot from the changes to battlegroups in the new edition.
>>47462248
Then again, Khador insider today is 100% consistent with the leaked cards so far, unless I missed something.
And it's not like PP is above printing nonsensical rules or typos, we've seen at least 3 just off the cards revealed in the Insiders.
>>47462368
Make that 4 typos, Soles confirmed that they forgot to change Karchev's fist to 1" reach, so there's another for the errata pile.
Is Sloan any good this edition?
>>47462368
I'm almost starting to wonder if Mk3 got a little rushed.
But there's a difference between typos and balancing junk. Even if the leaks aren't the final versions of the cards, I don't expect much to change. But maybe some.
>>47462461
She's got the potential to one round a colossal bottom of one.
What's a good Rahn list for MKIII?
>>47462478
singlehandedly?
>>47462500
Wait until we get the full rules to figure that out.
>>47462502
With her battlegroup.
>>47462461
Unless there is a rule in Prime that somehow makes long-range, high-pow, high-accuracy guns really bad, then expect her to be nerfed.
>>47462368
I'm pretty confident the leaks are what's going to be on the faction decks, but the WarRoom decks released at Lock and Load will contain errata, but the cards will be basically the same.
In other words, if your shit is nerfed, stop hoping the leaks aren't real, but if you've got some ridiculous rules interaction... don't hold your breath.
>>47462550
Why? She wasn't good in the previous edition.
She was a long range specialist without access to snipe, mediocre spells and poor focus.
>>47462550
What I'm thinking is terrain might be a big thing here.
If it's going to be that much more clumped together and have different effects, I'm betting terrain will keep you from getting those super battlegroup shots.
>>47462500
Definitely at leats 2 units of Battle Mages and Discordia.
I would also consider 1-2 additional heavies.
Just noticed that Hutchuck isn't in the minion deck I downloaded..anyone got the card or a link to him?
>>47462582
She now has better spells, a better feat and power-up.
Hell she even stole a spell from Kraye.
>>47462685
Sphinx has to be in a list with that much magic bullshit.
what main unit would be want though?
>>47462686
Some cards are missing.
>>47462582
Her feat now lets her take an extra shot with all her jacks, she picked up that spell that gives an extra die to hit for attacks in her battlegroup, and power up lets her run a shitload of ranged jacks without nearly as many issues.
>>47462706
Personally I'll likely take a unit of halb+UA for mobility and mini feat damage. They're cheap and can make good use of Discordias imprint
>>47462799
I'm torn between them and the Sentinels. Not sure which I'd rather have, need some table time to figure it out.
>>47462500
75 rahn +26
Hypnos-18
Phoenix-18
2 chimera-16
2 battle Mage units 20
2 artificers- 10
2 magisters- 8
Sylys- 4
Eiryss2-6
2 arcanist-4
100 points
>>47461581
True. Especially now that finch and him are a unit. Meaning he can grab that squire for more focus.
>>47462879
Too many arc nodes and not enough hitting power. You need to lore stuff in and then smash it, not just lore it in.
>>47462855
I can se where you're coming from, but I value the Halberdier's cheapness and speed+reposition to be more valuable in this army.
It lets me take my MHAs and Stormfalls.
>>47462879
Do you really need Hypnos? I'd Take a sphinx instead, drop the 2nd chimera, and use the remaining points to bring more solos that can work in any list like Mage Hunter Assassins, Ghost Snipers, or even a unit of Stormfall.
>>47462898
>Nemo can run three jacks at three focus per turn while still slinging spells
Sickening.
Also I noticed the stormblade captain is actually a really good Jack marshal for a stormclad.
One free focus to charge, +2 to damage and a free additional attack with a follow up pow 13 weapon master hit
>>47463014
Problem with halberds if you only get 1 turn of solid damage. Weapon master is much more reliable.
>>47463130
True that, I had that problem occasionally in MK2, but the point cost difference can make a pretty big difference elsewhere in your army.
>>47462544
She can kill your caster 3" into your deployment. So thats cool I guess.
>Quote Originally Posted by PPS_MrSoles
>The Koldun Lord does not have Power Booster, but we intend for the Faction to access to it from another source. I cannot talk about that >just yet, but in play test something clicked with us and we went with it. I will explain more when the time is right.
OK then, I put my money on theme list. Unless Soles guy thinks that 1 Jack Marshal with Assault in the faction with the Jacks that need it the least counts.
So on the Retribution facebook page someone mentioned the cards for the new Ret Solo Healer floating around somewhere, any cool spoiler-bros got a hook up for this one as it's missing from the spoiled Ret deck.
>>47463341
Mercenary solo with power booster.
>>47463549
Fuck me your right:
"During playesting, I realized we lacked 20 bucks for pizza, and something just clicked"
I threw together barebones army builder spreadsheets for mk3 legion and circle in google sheets but I don't think I can share them without it attaching my name, any suggestions other than making a fake google account? I'll be working on some other factions later on
>>47463438
It's not missing, exactly. It's not even supposed to be there.
Yeah, I knew that, Helios isn't in it either because his model will be Mk III exclusive, more hoping someone has the translation card for Ret that gave spoilers for the Thorn Gunmges and the like that also won't be in the decks.
Speaking of thorn gunmages, did anyone save the image of that?
Khador list I'm taking to a game tomorrow
pSorscha +29
Beast 01 21
Juggernaut 12
Iron Fang Pikemen 15
UA 4
Great Bears 9
IF Kovnik 4
Widowmakers 8
Greylord Ternion 7
Min mechaniks 3
Min kossites 7
Drakhun 9
Winter Guard Mortar 5
Kossites and mechanik are being replaced by talon and dirt meg if the talon arrives tomorrow afternoon before the game. I'm fighting menoth and stationary with a powerful charge should be nice for weaponmaster sorscha.
hey guys so...legions animi have become mostly target self, im new to hordes for mk3 and I was wondering if this means that the only things that can cast it are the warbeast on itself using its own fury alotment, or the warlock on itself. Thanks
>>47463790
That's exactly what it means. There is an exception with the Nephilim Bloodseer, since it cn cast other beast animi as its own.
I'm not sure the indictor will be worth it over a templar.
Especially since A&H are now only FF
>>47463969
I think it will with casters who lack a damage buff outside of choir or who have access to anti-shooting tech. You can use them to skew pretty hard on the anti-magic side of things, they're still hardy, and the innate anti-magic properties means that they can only be damaged in melee, by feats, or via magical ranged attacks.
anybody have the new skorne warlock card or can give me the jist of what he does?
>>47464238
first one (clipped from NQ66)
>>47464238
Second one
>>47464238
He's a 6s across the board type, 15/14 caster. His witch mark on whips is a goddamn trap.
His spell list is phenomenal and his feat is an excellent debuff to the opponent.
The jury is still out on whether he can contribute and survive. Kara Sloan says probably not.
>>47464393
>>47464382
thanks
>>47464238
control debuff warlock. Fury 6 but because of Maltreatment hes "fury 7". Someone else posted his card just above.
he seems great, dont know if i'd drop him against assassination lists though
>>47464413
pardon my ignorance - Kara Sloan? I know how to Google - but I would appreciate your perspective.
>>47464587
she can kill you 3" into your deployment zone with a horde of AP shots (which work on small bases now)
I hope the Titan gladiator and swordsmen in the 2-player box are built normally, I want to turn the swordsmen into keltarii and the gladiator into a canoneer with spare parts.
>>47464623
speaking of the two player boxes the units seem to be
Cryx = Bane Warriors (thralls)
Cygnar = Stormguard (probably)
Skorne = Swordsmen
Trolls = can't make these out, anybody have a guess?
>>47464612
Mind you, with the amount of terrain they supposedly want on the board now, it's not likely she'll get enough shots.
Did anyone have the foresight to save the card images off imgur, and if so can they post it please I feel lost.
>>47464660
Fennblades that get shit on by swordsmen supported by xekaar. no tough for you motherfuckers + need 10s to hit under feat
>>47464720
Just go back a couple threads and find the pdf links
>>47464720
What are you looking for? Here's the gyst I've got;
eMadrak is apparently never going to be assassinated?
Khador stronk. Butcher3 is essentially unchanged.
Cryx is no longer utter bullshit.
Cygnar is still bullshit. Arcane shield and Stormwall unchanged, the hammersmith costs as much as the now nerfed Archidon, and less than the now nerfed earthborn dire troll.
Everything that was good in Circle got better, and everything that was shitty got shittier.
Legion has to consider their plethora of good to decent infantry options now.
Skorne lost a significant amount of defensive stats to the Krea and agonizer tax, Rasheth and 3Makeda are now fully functional regardless of most matchups.
Minions and mercs are pretty ferocious. The battleboar picked up primal and berzerk and overtake.
Ret stronk. Ossyan got deadeye, GG
CoC essentially unchanged.
So, reading Blood of Kings, and it bothers the fuck out of me that whenever they talk about Feora or Thyra, they use their full titles.
Like, why the fuck would they bother?
>>47464884
The actual cards the imgur links were taken down.
>>47464935
I've got the ones leaked from the russians, no trolls or cygnar though. File size is saying it's too large to post though.
>>47464923
It's always Feora, Priestess and Protector of the Flame whenever she's mentioned anywhere.
>>47460914
Any comments on this? Still trying to figure out how to run Cygnar in mk3.
>>47466300
mk3 isn't out yet buddy
we're all of us figuring it out
>>47466300
What is there to comment on when you give 0 indication of what you intend to accomplish and what you are going to play against?
"Yep, those are cygnar models alright"
Just finished Blood of KingsWhat do you think Magnus said to Vinter?
>>47466669Here comes dat boi
>>47466707o shit waddup!
So, what if I parked a Cyclops Brute a few inches in front of my infantry during my turn so enemy infantry can't charge them? I mean, if you try and charge my infantry you'll eat free strikes from the Brute, and infantry doesn't stand a chance of killing a Brute like that.
>>47466847
They just kill the Brute instead?
Brutes aren't exactly the most hardy of monsters.
>>47466853
Yeah, but def 15 vs charges is pretty legit.
>>47466853
15DEF vs charges and 18ARM. It's gonna take an awful lot of your infantry to clear that out, and that means bunching up nicely for my Nihilators next turn. Remember that the Brute is going from 5 to 8 points as well so is more expendable.
>>47466669psssh nothing personell . . . kid
>>47462544
That is technically possible i guess. If you have loaded dice.
9 hunter shots on any colossal is gonna do about 27 damage, non boosted. So if you roll boxcars, every jack, you can take it out. But if you aren't cheating your balls off, its gonna be pretty negligible to a colossal.
>>47464884
>Everything that was good in Circle got better, and everything that was shitty got shittier.
Sure sure sure, especially feral is shite and argus is shite. You kiddin me, aye?
>>47461704
>Unrelated, but would anyone like to help me work on the 1d4chan tactics pages to update them for the new edition?
I would not. Too much work. But I will say you are awesome for doing so yourself, and I can't wait to read your work.
So are Bastions still great in Menoth? Are Cinerators worth considering now?
>>47467301
Not according to all those sad souls over at the Salty Menite Bar and Heretic Grill.
>>47467235
Congratulations, you found the two things that break the trend, want a cookie?
Feral actually isn't that much better, you still need a Primal-bot, so if you take the Feral for that you can't get work out of him early because if he dies you suddenly don't have Primal anymore and can't trade with heavies. Also he still doesn't have Pathfinder (in an edition where terrain will be more common), can no longer gain Ghostly from the Pureblood, and lost 2" off his stone teleport range.
Like he's better than he was in Mk2, but that isn't saying much. He might get played in a few ultra-beast-heavy lists that are willing to pay the points for an extra backup heavy instead of the Gorax, but that's about it.
>>47467301
Bastions are dead. Cinerators might be worth it, we won't really know until the Mk3 meta shakes out but I'd give 50/50 odds that they end up being playable.
>>47466902
And now you're assuming your opponent has nothing to lower defense or armor to make it easier to kill.
>>47467318
Dammit. Now I have to make that as a terrain piece.
>>47461704
I might do the Convergence ones in a few months, once I have the new Induction mechanic and the oddities of the faction ironed out.
Even then, I'd give it a while for more complicated stuff, I'm willing to bet the game changes wildly in six months.
>>47466300
Sloan
Hunters x9
Thats it im p sure
>>47467000
I don't have the leaks, but doesn't she get an extra shot with her feat?
So she shoots with her feat, then they activate normally and shoot again, getting a boosted damage AP shot to follow up?
>>47464884
Stormwall is nerfed. Covering fire is pow 10s, and only 3 pods for the game. It's still great but I'd slot merc colossals as being better, and well given just how freaking amazing the light and heavy jacks are in Cygnar, I think Stormwall isn't going to be showing up nearly as much. Prepare to be choking on Centurions though.
And Although the Journeyman kept Arc shield its effectively 6 points due to the in built jack costs.
Kara Sloan is the first Warcaster that's going to be nerfed, due to hunter spam. That or PP will just nerf the hunter instead.
Anyone have a link to the minion leaked cards? the faggot removed them off imgur
Thyron -27
*Sphinx 13
*Banshee 18
Halbediers 13
*Officer 4
Sentinels 18
*Officer 4
Battlemages 10
Arcanist 2
Arcanist 2
Arcanist 2
Issyen 8
MHA 4
MHA 4
75
Thyron without any Ranged Unit y/n?
>>47467897
Seconding this request
>>47468053
Just checked through the archived threads, all links to albums/deck pdfs seem to 404, including original russian leak :(
>>47468207
>>47468053
https://file.io/aRVscK
Anyone want to share the Blood of Kings pdf?
>>47468265
Doesn't work for me
Anybody saved a copy of the legion or khador deck ? I planned to play a buddy of mine in a mkII.5 game ...
>>47460914
If you're going with Haley 1, you should be trying to utilize all her tools. Her best spells are Temporal Barrier, Arcane Shield, and Dead Eye. Chain lightning took a big hit in mk3, and Scramble got changed dramatically to become really corner case to cast. Her feat, Blitz, needs units to be truly effective. The Centurions are great AS targets, and getting a squire will bring TB from great to stupid great. I suggest you should also grab trenchers or long gunners to make the most of the feat. In fact, see about dropping one of the chargers to get both units. Getting a third pow 20ish cra from the long gunners is probably better than the unboosted pow 12 from the charger, and the trenchers make a great tar pit.
>>47463586
>During ""playtesting"" I realized I was a massive twat so I buffed Butch3r.
>>47468657
>can't handle B3
>laughingrussians.png
>>47468558
Yeah sure
>>47467411
I think the Stormwall still looks really powerful, and pow 10s will still do just fine. 3 pods is also totally reasonable. I'm pretty sure the cyclone infantry template is a star action now, so a Stormwall is probably still better than a cyclone and some other bros.
I'm not saying it wasn't changed, but I feel like if you're refusing to take it because 3 pods and pow 10 you're just kidding yourself. Or maybe you're playing a massive stable of jacks that are finally viable. Either way it remains an excellent collossal.
Anyone got cryx cards? The link from previous therad is dead.
Does anyone have the new ATGM and attachment cards?
what the fuck did they do to orin midwinter? other than that blood of kings is bretty gud
>>47469869
hes just a bodyguard mook now, a decent one, but nowhere near his 12' fuck you bubble
>>47470062
sorry meant lorewise, they really fucked with him in the new story
>>47470082
oh right, i haven't read the new lore about him, what kind of fuckery went down?
>>47468657
>butcher3
>buff
He lost 4" on his threat range. That's a nerf, son.
>>47466669MUH DICKorI'm building a wall and Skorne is paying for it
>>47468653
Thanks bro.
Anyone have a good reason not to throw mk2 cards away?
>>47470106retconned so either he didn't know all the bad stuff the inquisitors were doing and was totally innocent or he was brainwashed to believe he didn't know and was totally innocent
>>47469821
http://www.megafileupload.com/b1si/fljkjv.rar
I can reup it any time you guys want.
Blood of Kings pdf out yet?
>>47470227
fekkin ugh. Makes me want to move even faster on my way to the trash
>>47470196
wat.jpg. that is some fuckeryso the goody two shoes orin midwinter whos no longer batshit crazy just casually happens to work for skorne still, makes sense
>>47470227
>You too can be an attention seeking faggot who has no respect for the thing the group you want attention from likes
Burn them, burn them all. Prevent THIS from happening.
>>47470220
mind putting the minions one up?
>>47470325
It's in the rar ya dingus.
>>47470270
>>47470196
That's not quite what I took away.When he was described by others to Julius, they say that he was devoted entirely to rooting out the dangerous magics, and either unaware or turned a blind eye to the darker inquisition stuff but overall didn't take part. When he speaks to Julius himself however, he admits he was aware of it all but didn't take part at least in the events that surrounding Julius personally, and his admission of all the bad he's done is framed as years of guilt and regret for doing bad things for a man he thought was good but turned out to be a dick.
Can someone esxplain these too to me?
After ATGM UA lost true sight I'm looking for alternatives to fight stealth with my mercs and these too came to mind.
Except they now seem even worth than in MK3 where I thought they were barely usable. Am I missing something?
>>47470270
Him working for the Skorne hasn't made sense since Mk1 anyway because he only worked for them because of Vinter. Same with Magnus2 and Saxon Orrik.
>>47470395
actual mercs?
or some kind of faction affiliate?
reinholdt can unstealth and so can Madelyn
>>47470500
I expect to see Madelyn everywhere. She's hilarious now
>>47470395
Also, why does everyone hate Saxon Orrik?
>>47470631
Oh god this.
She can follow Denny 3, an undead wizard riding a fucking dragon breathing fire on shit, and say "nope, we're having a diplomatic discussion, you can't attack us" and it works.
>>47470651
Because Doug just forgot about him halfway through blood of kings and he was never mentioned again.
>>47470631
She's going to have a target on her head because she shuts down melee assassination.
Link to Cryx deck please?
>>47470395
I like how these two are basically reverse Aiyana & Holt.
Just look at that art. You can almost hear Edrea telling Lynus to get down before he gets himself shot.
>>47470220
>http://www.megafileupload.com/b1si/fljkjv.rar
Am I fucking retarded, I can't desciphre what to click to dl
>>47470939
Yes.
>>47470939
it's only mild, you should be ok.
cross @ traffic lights to be sure
Theorymachining about Circle.
Increasingly, I'm looking at eKromac/Woldwrath as the go-to build for early Mk3 Circle. Sooo much synergy, and the magic monkey got some serious boosts (like, Spell Ward to Sacred Ward and a huge buff to its gun).
So eKromac upkeeps Vengeful on the WW. It gets attacked, either by a heavy or a swarm of infantry. The first attack goes off, the WW takes its Retaliatory Strike -- and drops a knockdown aura, stopping a lot of the incoming damage and jamming up the area. It's only MAT 6 and can't be boosted, sure, but most stuff that is going to threaten it is pretty low DEF.
Kromac then has 6 fury left, and if he's feeling risky can drop either 3 normal or 2 boosted damage POW 16 nukes, all with an extra die on the attack roll due to the WW's animus (and can even boost the hit if he needs to).
And Wurmwood can effectively teleport 14" (Cassius runs, Wurmwood casts Dark Path) and drop his "everything within 14" is a forest" feat, which a) may get bitched about more than eKrueger's feat because it will just fucking *shut down* a lot of armies, and combined with Lanyssa Ryssyk will shut down... everybody. It will also make Ravagers interesting under him.
I had briefly hoped the changes would give Kaya1 a chance to shine, as she gets built-in fury management and can spirit door to replace the loss of target-other sprint, but... she still doesn't have much else to work with (and the new argus makes her +2 MAT passive less important).
I ahve been playing some games with the info we have now and I love this breath of freash air.
>>47470500
>reinholdt can unstealth and so can Madelyn
Reinhold or Madelein would be interesting but I'd have to forgo taking sylys and merc casters have so little focus..why the fuck did they have to nerf gun mages. Everything was so easy in mk2 with them.
>>47471359
Because stealth was practically irrelevant on anything but heavies and casters. sometimes even on those.
>>47471249
Spirit Door has a massive flaw now, not being able to attack has nerfed what she was originally intended to be and leaves her lack luster no matter what changes they make.
It's kind of silly considering how easy it is to assassinate from range but porting a beast in is FAR too broken to allow.
>>47471249
Remember the Druid Wilder can upkeep a spell for free, letting kromac start at a full 7. Investing in some bog trog shamblers for Kromac to eat for heart tokens early on might also be advisable, since that's three attacks you can bank for later
I'm glad the monkey is doing better and I hope zapdos gets better as well
>>47471359
True Sight everywhere made Stealth pointless.
It's the same reason why lots of units lost weapon master and POW buffs became sparser. Too much of this stuff made things that should be advantageous mostly useless.
>>47471371
>>47471421
Looking at cygnar they still have lot's of options to remove stealth. Captain adept and gun mage sniper have true sight, haven't they? Makes me a bit jelous 2bqh.
Did many units loose stealth in mk3? I can only think of banes.
>>47471421
how many units lost WM?
>>47471454
Gun Mage captain adept got a lot better. Being able to choose two spell effects leads to some spoopy good anti solo threat
>>47471468
Bane Knights
Great bears
Man o wars
>>47471400
Uh, now? Unless it was different in Mk1 (I started Circle in Mk2), Spirit Door has always not allowed attacks afterwards because it exists to pull a beast back to safety after it attacks. The Stalker kinda obsoleted Kaya1, since that was her main trick.
Spirit Shift (Laris animus) still allows attacking after use, and with the new Argus makes her (Kaya2) a solid assassination threat with it.
>It's kind of silly considering how easy it is to assassinate from range but porting a beast in is FAR too broken to allow.
You've read Ghetorix's card, right, either in Mk2 or Mk3? The only time I've had him fail an assassination was when he got to Lylyth2 on full fury camp, but he blew up 3 Ravagores from transfers and *almost* killed her. Nothing in the game has that kind of offensive output at range.A Revelator under Malekus's feat will be close, though.
>>47471472
Don't underestimate making a model not block LoS, too, which is going to set up some amusing assassinations.
>>47471400
Stones always existed to allow non linear movement, not necessarily further charge ranges. Warpath and hunters Mark were the two genuinely useful range extenders in circle after double port got the dick, and desu pKromac can still trivially give a stalker or Ghetorix 11" of out of activation movement before deleting a target.
>>47471575
I played during MKI. It used to be Kaya's thing to get a beast up and port in to start whacking people or to port in something that could do the whacking for her.
I like Kaya 2, I'm tempted to pick up her, run her and 2-3 beasts plus minions.
>>47467301
I dunno, my menoth friend thinks that since vengeance triggers on damaged instead of destroyed now cinerators could be useful.
>>47460625
is it just me or are the hammersmith, trenchers, long gunners, stormnouns still unplayable
>because of all the whining by people who can't play all my cryx is now unplayable unless I get a colossal
Fuck you pp, I'm going to play 40k with my new Chinese models instead
>>47471713
i want me some chinese
you get goodprice on dumpling?
>>47471741
It's 9$ for Dark Vengeance termies and 5$ per character, 30$ per forge world dread
>>47471755
sounds a shitload better than that english fare.
got a menu you care to share?
>>47471687
Stormguard are unplayable
Trenchers are legit
Long gunners with UA are excellent now
Stormblades are at least a fun pick instead of just a waste of points
Hammer smith is absurdly cheap and can be filled with focus extremely easily by Nemo
>>47471713
>Because I'm a colossal power gaming faggot, I only own the most bullshit models for my faction and never even diversified a little.
Cryx had plenty of uses for its other units, if you only played the same things over and over.... You were part of the problem of MKII.it's okay though. We didn't get nerfed too bad. Feel free to be salty about Cygnar keeping all its bullshit tho
>>47471249
Also, Reeves with ROF 2 POW 8 shots aren't as useless as I originally thought. Their UA is now an auto-include (for Go to Ground), so that's 2 PS 19 CRAs per turn, which isn't terrible (but probably not enough to make them general-purpose), but under Tannith they get... good:
Step 1: Deliver Argus.
Step 2: Woof.
Step 3: Cast Affliction. Cast Scything Touch, too, if you feel frisky.
Step 4: Shoot target 22 times with shots that do a *minimum* of 1 damage, and hit on not-snake-eyes against a target in cover or engaged.
And this isn't taking into account the new Druids (while I consider them nerfed overall, they *each* get an aoe knockdown spell, and can still at least push stuff around, which means they can do shenanigans like knock down enemy heavy, push it back into the real target, and then anchor another aoe knockdown on it).
PP taketh away, but sometimes, PP giveth.
>>47471665
Ah, didn't realize that. Sounds insane, but everything I've heard about Mk1 is it was the epitome of just fucking blowing shit up on turn 2.
>>47471843
That's just people talking bullshit. It's no more insane than MKII's assassination runs. You need to protect your caster from their caster or warbeasts.
>>47471820
Tbh I'm happier with Druids being less of a fucking commitment to take. Now they're toolbox battle mages rather than a big fragile 9 point investment I have to keep an eye on
Hey guys, how does this look? I can only paint so much until MK3..
>Ashlyn+29
>Mule+15
>Gallant+17 [ALT1 Roccinante]
>Sylys+4
>ATGM+UA+15
>Thorn gun mages+9
>Nyss full +19 [ALT 2 Precursors with UA]
>Versh +4 [ALT 2 Piper]
>Tarin di la rossivi +5 [ALT1 Pendrake]
>Major Gibbs +4
>Eyriss1 +7
>Bokur +5
Second list will be damiano + nyss +20 hammerdworfs to smack armour.
>>47471669
Wait, does that mean an enemy can kill a single Errant, Harby can Martyr it back and it still procs Vengence? The model was still damaged by an enemy attack, it was just instantly healed.
>>47472065
Yes.
>>47472065
Actually no, errants don't have vengeance.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10312122
>>47471811
Cryx isnt the only faction whoes go to units were nerfed
Im personally only salty about the raiders loosing AD and bloodgorgers becoming useless. Also our units dont seem particularly cheap or spamable, comparitivly
So a friend and I were considering going in halves to get a two player battle box, but our main concern if replayability.
How much variance would be in the games with only one set of units available?
>>47471771
Mail [email protected] for menu. It's 40$ for a Imperial Knight, 25 for most forge world Terminators, 40$ for Fliers and yeah, it's reasonable price.
>>47472160
Mechanithralls are now garbage.
Bane Thralls are also garbage. Same reason every 12/15 unit is at speed 5 and no way to up it.
That's two of my 4 units. Satyxis and Knights are nerfed, but playable. At least Knights are priced as they should be.
The spammable cheap infantry feel isn't the feel you can have at all, since everything is costed as much as for other factions.
Everyone gets reasonable buffs and nerfs, but pSkarre is now outright unplayable because you can't fucking heal her, with the nerfs to power field she is a walking Dark Guidance that also must have a colossal.
>>47472269
thanks
Okay, so, these models are great.
Considering their shitty victim stats, short range, low RAT for their number of shots, and absolute lack of any defensive tech, what reason could I possibly have to use them?
>>47472350
Quiet yourself.
Your stuff isn't garbage, it's exactly as it should be. Bane Thralls need support to survive? Well, it's a good thing that almost all your casters can fuck over the ability of enemy units to hit stuff.
Stop whining you entitled little shit. You had the best infantry in the game coupled with the best support from warcasters in the game. Now you have infantry that need that support to drag their potential out. All is as it should be.
>>47472569
>Quiet yourself.
Fuck off
>Your stuff isn't garbage, it's exactly as it should be.
Yes, because mat 5 pow 10 without reach is a great deal as well as 12/15 victim stats with no defensive tech.
>Bane Thralls need support to survive? Well, it's a good thing that almost all your casters can fuck over the ability of enemy units to hit stuff.
Umm which ones? Two casters, Coven and pDenny? Who else?
>Stop whining you entitled little shit. You had the best infantry in the game coupled with the best support from warcasters in the game.
Which now got turned into shit.
>Now you have infantry that need that support to drag their potential out. All is as it should be.
Support they can get is meagre. You ran high numbers exactly because you couldn't help them live, but only a few were needed to do stuff. Now it'll just be a killing field, and when you get there not much will be done.
Fuck off you shit player.
>>47458639
Amon Ad-Raza is sure looking Manowar there.
>>47472160
Bloodgorgers got better though.
>>47472383
Look at their Mk3 stats. Breddy ok
No Cryx player used Bloodgorgers because all their other Inf was just better. Now Banes are not as OP as before, Im pretty sure Bloodgorgers will show up now and then.
So the NQ battle report had terrain modifiers. Two mentioned were acid bath (water that gives cont corrosion on entry) and a burning forest (gives cont fire)
Will be interesting to see the full rules for terrain
>>47472712
Not really since bloodgorgers got nerfed too.
>>47472818
How? Without Gerlak they're straight buffed with half an inch more melee range, +1 ARM, Unyielding and Overtake. With Gerlak they lost knockdown immunity but gained Berserk.
![eca09cfdce9c7a0056bdecda521c3b8b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xuzTjst.jpg "eca09cfdce9c7a0056bdecda521c3b8b[1]")
>>47458639
I this Liefeld's contribution to Warmachine?
>>47472712
It's because medium base+ no reach and gang making them awkward from design point.
They saw some play in tier lists because ad and pathfinder made them worthwhile.
>>47472629
>with no defensive tech.
what is stealth
>>47472845
Without gang their offensive stats are pathetic and Gerlaks buff is far less useful than what it used to be. Gerlak got nerfed too with a points increase and reach nerf.
>>47472889
My bad, that was removed. But 'ey, now they can go hide in forests.
>>47472889
It's what they used to have, but lost.
>>47472920
That's the problem. If they kept Tough and lost stealth or other way around it would be completely reasonable.
They are stuck with the same stats shit cygnar units had, which is why they didn't see play and they did it to banes.
Hey guys I've been picking up Legion on the cheap for MK3 and it seems like going for either the new or the old battleboxes seems like a bad idea with shredders being nerfed, the neraph not being particularly good, the carnivean being the lesser choice between scythean and ravagore.
The stuff i've been getting so far includes Raptors, anyssa and legionnaires. What I want to ask is should i just get character beasts and a carni chasis kit instead of getting any of the battleboxes or do you still think they hold some value in MK3
>>47472350
As it stands, the only time I take bane thralls is a min unit with no ua for gaspy2's feat. I dont really see that happening now, especially with the ILO providing dark shroud.
Imo, pSkarre is perfectly fine, you just have to use your feat to finish the game.
>>47472659
Heres what made Bloodgorgers attractive: gang, steady and 2 attacks. An independant unit that can hit accurately.
They're new incarnation is supposed to blend through infantry in the 'fuck infantry edition' but they need a nat fixer to hit the infsntry they are suposed to blend. Also, cryx doesnt have an issue clearing out infantry.
>>47472892
Gerlak doesn't have 2 inch reach anymore?
>>47472988
>As it stands, the only time I take bane thralls is a min unit with no ua for gaspy2's feat. I dont really see that happening now, especially with the ILO providing dark shroud.
A unit without UA, which sucks now, is okayish if you have 40 models on the table at 140 points. That's how you can get them to the fight and Ghostly helps. But as only or second unit, never.
>Imo, pSkarre is perfectly fine, you just have to use your feat to finish the game.
I see her as a Colossal caster with 20+ Bane Knights, her spam has changed from multiple unit types to only one because they are one of the rare units that aren't slow as fuck, have pathfinder and don't plink at armor. Her feat won't be affecting more than a few. Like I've said, necrosurgeon for some reason got crushed and can no longer heal her at all. Without him, you have... The Corruptor which is still kind of crap.
>>>47472659
>Heres what made Bloodgorgers attractive: gang, steady and 2 attacks. An independant unit that can hit accurately.
Yup. Also, good for screening.
> They're new incarnation is supposed to blend through infantry in the 'fuck infantry edition' but they need a nat fixer to hit the infsntry they are suposed to blend. Also, cryx doesnt have an issue clearing out infantry.
2 pow 11 mat 6 attacks are kind of pathetic without reach for the price. Unyielding doesn't mean much.
>>47473063
No, for a model that didn't see all that much play he sure did take a hit.
>>47472242
That depends on available terrain and the use of scenarios. The nature of the game is that one new purchase, often of a new warnoun, can completely change your play.
In brief, use the starter to figure out if you even like the rules, but don't expect to stay with just the starter for long if you do end up liking the game.
Oh hey guys, what's everybody working on? Post pictures of your random stuff.
>>47473630
Practicing blending mostly. Thought about this scheme for the Circle army I was thinking of starting
>>47473630
New Retribution colour scheme while I wait for my Minions to arrive.
In any of the spoiled cards did we ever see what the two new Protectorate models actually do? I know there is a KE UA, dunno what the other is.
>>47473630
Painting my pigs
Going for a sorta punk rock/Emperor's Children look with the pink and black.
>>47474012
You do know there's a bunch of retards who do tit tumour awareness with the pink right? Worth making a note of.
>>47474051
Whats that have to do with anything?
>>47474012
The pink turned out very well, good job
>>47474085
Those type of people tend to be white knighty fucktards interested in social justice bullshit. It can go either way though, some times you just get decent chaps who see a chance to make an extra buck to help people out. Either way it's an attention magnet he may not be prepared for.
>>47474158
Tips fedora
>>47474158
Just go back to /pol/
>>47474158
You have to be school shooter tier delusional to think breast cancer awareness is SJW
>>47474220
Nah, I was here before you and I will be here when you're watching your mother get raped by Muslims.
>>47474262
I never said that. I said the type of people it attracts in THIS community lean that way. Don't forget wargaming is being infiltrated by these people and they look for a good cause to latch onto to use as a shield against personal attacks. They have no problem co opting charities and twisting them into social justice bullshit and that's what I've seen happen to many charities I've supported.
>>47474306
The only one viewing warmachine as an ideological battleground is you, neckbeard.
Also if you're a true /pol/ack you better play Menoth
>>47474379
Lad, I have a neon pink haired woman at my local store.. Do you think I'm making this shit up? Did you miss the wyrd drama? I try to keep politics out of gaming.
Ios is the true /pol/ack warmachine faction. Fuck fire, we'll use goddamn lasers to keep all you fuckers ruining our country.
/pol/ here.
The other poster is a radical /pol/ack and in no way represents the majority of my board.
/pol/ is a board of peace.
Thoughts on Talion Charter?
>>47474262
To be fair nobody is getting up in arms about Prostate Cancer Awareness, but it's just as big of an issue. That's anti-male sexism if I've ever seen it.
>>47474427
>Did you miss the wyrd drama?
Not the poster you're responding to, but yes, I missed it. Is it one of those things that happened at some tournament/event I never played in some town I've never been to involving some people I've never met that resulted in some internet bickering that I nevertheless should to be personally concerned/alarmed about for.... reasons?
>>47474497
Yep, one of those. NOW PICK A SIDE, BOTH SIDES ARE HITLER.
>>47474427
>Do you think I'm making this shit up?
Pretty much think exactly that.
You're clearly delusional and nothing you say can be trusted.
>>47474468
Doesn't exist anymore, no more contracts for mercs.
>Nu-males defending SJWs in WMH general
Women's suffrage was a mistake.
>>47474511
>fedora-lords are anti women
>fedora-lords are white knights
Looking to do a dark grey with crimson details for my Menoth, but I'm stumped on the metallic bits. What would you guys recommend? Brass? Gold? Silver?
>>47474468
Bart and Feona having access to the commodore is amazing.
Bart's feat protects it, Fiona can make it ignore intervening models and have magical damage type.
Shae is still Shae.
Privateer buffs seem somewhat small but you have to keep in mind they benefit from the enormous mercenary Jack buffs as much as the other casters and Shae has access to non privateer merc solos even if he still wants plenty of pirates
>>47474561
Silver might be too close to the gray.
Brass seems like it would do well.
>>47474573
Did we get spoilers on Fiona? If so I never saw them. How is she?
>>47474552
Numales are blue pilled neckbeards
/pol/acks are red pilled neckbeards
>>47474497
A SJW started to have a go at Wyrd. Claimed she went into a store and their white male terrorist fanbase chanted "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" and sexually assaulted her. Made a shit load of false claims and they laughed in her face and demanded evidence.
40k is coming under fire from the usual retarded media claiming it's full of dude bros and no women so isn't inclusive.
Warmachine did come under fire in the media but in a different way. A man using the fake name Sandy beaches wrote an article on his Warmachine was sexist, got it published and then had endless offers to get more work done through multiple media groups. Except he was a troll and did it to prove a point, there's a good blog post on it if you want to read. http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/29/feminist-blog-the-mary-sue-fooled-by-hoaxer/
You should be aware if there are people looking to co opt your hobby and you play in any sort of public space yes. 4 dudes in a garage is not going to notice much going on. But for those of us with LFGS we should be aware of it as it puts us in danger of losing something we love or even personal danger when an SJW comes to talk and gets lippy.
>>47474494
>To be fair nobody is getting up in arms about Prostate Cancer Awareness, but it's just as big of an issue. That's anti-male sexism if I've ever seen it.
To be fair, nobody gave a fuck about breast cancer until a bunch of women got together and started the whole breast cancer awareness thing.
And it wasn't some childish "They're taking the lime light away from us! Quick, what's something similar we can use to compare ourselves?!" thing.
There totally is a Prostate Cancer awareness movement. Why haven't you done anything to support it outside of using it to play the role of victim of the Breast Cancer Awareness campaign?
>>47474552
I always associated them with MRAs, but the fedora really goes both ways. Its that terrible.
Can we move on though? Lets talk about how everything is awful, except Ret and Cygnar for some reason
>>47474608
Male problems get less attention then female ones. Evolution made us not give a shit about men because we have to use them as human shields when shit hits the fan. Where as we need to make sure a woman is cared for when she incubates a child. Evolutionary pressures made it so prostate cancer gets very little attention where boob cancer gets a shit load of it. It's a natural divide based on human instincts, we can't change it.
>>47474427
>I have a neon pink haired woman at my local store.
Its curious to me how much the alt right demonizes women for daring to color their hair unnaturally, but totally fall over themselves for Japanese cartoon women with crazy hair colors.
>I try to keep politics out of gaming.
Yet you're the one introducing it to this thread, trying to drum up fear that women are coming to take our games away from us.
>>47474561
For swords and stuff, I would still do silver. Detail metal, probably brass.
Otherwise, you could still do a lot of the "metal" in grey. I have been painting my Khador olive green all over because I think of it like tanks. Nobody just leaves exposed, unpainted metal on machines.
>>47474608
The whole No-shave November thing is actually supposed to be a prostrate awareness thing. It started in Canada but for some reason it got lost in translation to the US.
>>47474643
You're in your first year of college, aren't you?
Just finished that Psychology 101 course, eh?
>>47474649
Women aren't demonized for it, women use it as a signifier to others about their beliefs and it turns out other people have noticed that.
>>47473736
I'm stealing this paint scheme
>>47474649
Why wouldn't you judge someone based on how they express themselves? If I wear an ISIS t-shirt you sure as fuck would judge me on how I was expressing myself. You have to understand that people dress to attract the crowd they want to be a part of. Metal fans wear metal shirts, so other metal fans can see what grow they're part of. Same applies to neon haired attention seekers. It's signalling and acts as a warning sign to those of us opposed to those sort of people, while acting as a magnet to those sort of people.
>>47474690
Wow the paranoia of this statement is hilarious.
>>47474713
It's really funny how quickly nerds turn everything into us vs them.
>>47474607
I have a lfgs and I never heard of any of these folks.
So someone made false claims that were almost instantly discredited, while another guy got his BS troll article published by an internet outlet that regularly posts BS articles espousing the same thing? Clutch the pearls! They're coming for our game!
We need to alert the Final Fantasy folks too. Clearly he's part of the movement to take them down.
Holy shit guys, it's just a miniatures game. You are reading way to much into this. Throttle it down a notch
>>47474714
So I've taken it you've never had any sociology courses and learned about social signifiers? How you dress, groom yourself, act, and speak are full of ways to signal others about yourself.
>>47473110
Can anyone think of something the bloodgorgers can do now though? Along with Gerlak? Well with what we know so far about cryx tech in mk3
>>47474643
So what are you doing to support prostate cancer awareness other than using it to portray yourself as the victim?
Okay, to get this thread back on topic, I'm mulling on how to build Bethayne, since she looks like she has the potential to be a real powerhouse in Mk III. Here's what I've got so far:
B&B + 20
Naga - 8
Raek - 8
Scythean - 18
Raptors - 18
Swordsmen - 15
- UA - 6
Min Spawning Vessel - 5
Forsaken - 4
Succubus - 4
Shepherd - 1
Annyssa Ryvaal - 8
Thoughts, suggestions?
>>47474696
Go for it man.
Black base coat
Light grey pre shading.
Vallejo Game colour 72024 Turquoise over everything
Mixed in some Randome tan to lighten it for a highlight.
Any bright silver and then a wash of Strong tone from army painter.
Game colour 72011 Gory red mixed with Game air warlord purple for the highlight layers, very thin coat of red ink for the shading of the gems.
The brown is P3's gun corps brown with strong tone wash.
>>47474713
I thought sidecuts and pink hair were cute fashion statements, but it turns out they're actually initiation rights into the Social Justice Army to Destroy Men. Thanks for letting me know, /pol/tard. I almost enjoyed myself instead of finding a completely made-up reason to hate people I haven't met.
>>47474768
>>I thought sidecuts and pink hair were cute fashion statements, but it turns out they're actually initiation rights into the Social Justice Army to Destroy Men. Thanks for letting me know, /pol/tard. I almost enjoyed myself instead of finding a completely made-up reason to hate people I haven't met.
"Judge first, lest ye be judged."
Chapter 3, verse 5 in the Canon of the True Law.
Speaking of Malekus (and the new casters and the new battleboxes) PP had a post claiming , among other things...
"Because of the unexpected and overwhelming demand, all distributors, and thus all markets, were allocated product that corresponds to the June releases. Simply put, and to our amazement, we are completely sold out of all products before we have even launched."
So what exactly does this mean? That unless we pre-ordered the new casters/battleboxes/decks/books, that some or all of it will be unavailable on launch day? I mean, all I really want on launch day is the Menoth faction deck, but what's the deal in general?
>>47474867
Eh, I might just have to wait to get it... also I might have to download whatever gets posted online in the mean time.
>>47474867
It means that someone in PP's marketing division has fucked up immensely, and the UK isn't getting shit for Mk3 releases.
You might have to live with war room for the decks, though those might be the easiest to get.
As for rules, free PDF might have to tide you over.
As for battleboxes, you might be straight up fucked.
>>47474768
You thought wrong and that's fine, you live in a society too sick to understand people aren't equal and that people signal to each other.
Judgement is good, standards are good. Promote good things, shame bad things. If you want to stick your dick in a pink haired chick then go ahead and do so. Just be aware she must have serious issues if she feels she needs to dye her hair pink. It's a degenerate behaviour of someone desperate for attention and to feel special. If you have to draw attention via shock value, what kind of quality do you have beyond that?
>>47474916
In b4 Warroom crashes and we're screwed.
My local store was going to do a newbie league and now it's up in the air if we can or not. Shit sucks as I was looking forward to it.
>>47474943
Stop being a stupid shithead and leave.
>>47474943
Not that I think it's fair or anything, but could your store do a group order to miniature market or warstore? They have plenty lined up and splitting the shipping should make it reasonable
So originally I was kind of down on the Tharn Blood Pack and Wolf Riders, but I think I've come around.
The Blood Pack is one of very very few units that can shoot through forests, and if Heart Eater stays the same and allows you to eat your own models you get a volley of boosted Pow 13's that's extremely difficult to retaliate against. As for Wolf Riders, I'm still sad they lost Prey, but their damage doesn't go down that much since most of is now weighted on their (very accurate and very damaging) charge, and Impact Attacks let them fight full units. So while I miss the absolute punching power of Prey, the fact that they are effective against a wide variety of targets rather than just the one is a reasonable trade off.
>>47474967
Stop judging me. If it's wrong for me to judge others then it's wrong for you to judge me ;)
>>47474982
Do they have stock? If it's completely sold out how likely is it we can even order from American stores?
>>47475009
I have no fucking clue what the conversation is about, I just know you're a stupid shithead and you need to leave.
>>47474943
>Judgement is good, standards are good. Promote good things, shame bad things. If you want to stick your dick in a pink haired chick then go ahead and do so. Just be aware she must have serious issues if she feels she needs to dye her hair pink. It's a degenerate behaviour of someone desperate for attention and to feel special. If you have to draw attention via shock value, what kind of quality do you have beyond that?
Clearly not the quality that leads one to troll on anonymous message boards so as to disrupt others' discussions about their painted army men.
>>47474916
>It means that someone in PP's marketing division has fucked up immensely, and the UK isn't getting shit for Mk3 releases.
So the US is basically getting a cut of stuff that was supposed to go to the EU after it was revealed that what they had prepped for US pre-orders+ stocking shelves wasn't enough?
>>47475027
Only a part of the US, based on what I've heard.
The press release says they're likely sold out for the entire year, which is mind boggling.
>>47475060
Specifically, the comment:
>Unfortunately, even with five kit offerings we were still a little short and had to remove some kits from all US and EU distributor orders.
>>47475060
Part of the problem is the supply lines from China. Didn't they have an economic fuck up a few months ago?
Also : Thanks everyone who likes plastic models. If it was metal minis they could just make more of them in the UK as they used to. Now all the models are done in plastic in china we get fucked for it.
>So easy to convert
>So easy the model doesn't even exist.
>>47475060
I can't imagine the kind of incompetence that would have them be out of stock for the rest of the year.
But then I look at how many mistakes are in these cards and the complete fuckups they've turned the insiders into and I can imagine the incompetence.
By the time they're able to sell the new boxes to people, players will have lost interest and moved elsewhere.
>>47475100
>What is the price of pewter going through the roof
>>47475009
No we're pretty well stocked, PP expected quite a bit of sales in the US at least
>>47475060
>The press release says they're likely sold out for the entire year, which is mind boggling.
It's not like there's any really reliable metric for predicting how many NEW/returning players will be showing up to buy your game.
And you sure as hell can't go by what customers are saying, because that would mean half the playerbase is leaving because their faction got nerfed out of competitiveness- and they weren't competitive before.
>>47475100
The metal issue has nothing to do with popularity and everything to do with cost.
Metal got fucking expensive as shit, so they had to change over
>>47475109
Well, I guess it's not totally fair to say they're sold out for the year.
More specifically, they said they expected their current stock to last them the entire year.
They'll have more, but it's just going to be one of those "as soon as we make it it's out the door" kind of things, I bet.
>>47475135
I'm more than willing to forgive them for selling out on the release stuff for exactly that reason, but they've got to have some sort of data to give them a 6 month projection.
I mean, to drop stock you intended to last 6 months a month before the game even hits shelves means someone fucked up pretty badly. That's a huge issue.
>>47475060
You have two options...
A) Spend a shitload of money making stuff that doesn't sell out, and sits around in a warehouse.
B) Spend less money and make shit that sells out faster than you get it out the door.
There really is no happy medium because nobody is psychic. Big launches almost always either people crying because the new thing is constantly out of stock, or people laughing (and the company crying) because the new product is just gathering dust on the shelves.
>>47474689
He hasnt gotten to the naturalist falacy I guess.
>>47475190
There's no happy medium, sure, but again, they underestimated so much that 6 months of stock is already gone.
I guess I don't have the numbers in front of me, but still, the nature of the product(new warcaster in the box) means that even your current players are likely to make a purchase. So if they used that as a gauge, either.
A. They have no idea of the size of the current playerbase
or
B. There's so many new players moving into the game that they have sold out before they even hit the international market.
>>47475251
Considering the number of second hand purchases that go on and the number of complaining and threats to quit the game you see on the boards, I'd say both.
People are threatening to quit their faction while they're going and pre-ordering everything.
>>47475170
Sales have been lagging for the last two years.
Distributors have been buying less and less. Stores won't buy any new product unless the old stuff moves. Old stuff won't move because the only ones left playing were those happy in the tide of infantry, meaning new releases hardly ever purchased.
If they ran projections for how many units they would sell, chances are it would be underestimated rather than over.
I'd be willing to wager if MK3 didn't happen, this game would have been dead within two years.
>>47475366
You really have no idea what you're talking about
>>47474610
>everything is awful, except Ret
Just seeing that in text is like a bizarre out-of-body experience.
>>47475428
I probably don't know about major metropolitan areas like NY or PNW but I know about the distributors that service stores to those places.
Gamers are a fickle bunch and I figured you would all get bored of playing with the same models over and over again. 2 years without erratta sound like just long enough to get FirestormArmada'd.
'sides. Some factions sold so little of their new releases we barely shipped any after the first two waves.
Maybe the problems are all on our client's ends but I'd see the same damn models everywhere I'd go.
Fookin love the game mate and I'm excited for MKIII to shake things up...even if it just make a different faction the new Cryx.
Does anyone have the wild adventure or immortality pdf yet?
>>47475531
Just the fact that it's not an auto lose to go back heavy on a bunch of casters now significantly changes what army comps we're going to see.
Even if it's not necessarily the most optimal solution, just being able to run it without it being an auto lose is a significant improvement and on some casters it's legitimately going to be a sick list.
>>47475586
>back heavy
Jack heavy
>>47474610
And Mercs/minions. Them and ret are legitimately the most buffed out of everything in mk3 so far
The story for the new Ret caster is up.
Looks like we've got another member for the "non-dicks in dick factions" brigade.
>>47475215
None of my argument is a falacy. Human nature will influence the way we live, you can't stop human nature expressing it's self only channeling it into something productive. I.e. Men like combat and using their bodies to do physical things, so we invent sports which allow them to do that.
>>47475647
She's fucking Ossyan, she can't be that bad
>>47475531
Part of the problems is the game hasn't added anything but display pieces in about 5 years. I own every model in the Retribution faction book except the destors. I came back to the game for MKIII since quitting before they got anything beyond the book. Over that entire time of MKII there were about 5 solos, 3 warcasters, 5 new jacks and some crappy units no one cares about. If I'm not buying colossal then I basically get 1 new model a year per unit type. How the ever loving fuck is that going to sell things?
Be honest here. PP saw that GW were moving towards massive display pieces and jumped on board. This left a huge drought of stuff to buy for people not wanting to spend 100 bucks on something.
Why the fuck are all you soapboxers polluting the thread with politics? Or whatever crap passes for politics among NGOs.
Let's get back to frogs punching robots.
>>47475891
This to a point. I actually like colossals but PP seems to be set on releasing $40 three man character units and 65-70$ units instead of just easy stuff like solos and warcasters which are easy to make and sell relatively well since they're in the impulse buy price range
>>47475891
>Be honest here. PP saw that GW were moving towards massive display pieces and jumped on board. This left a huge drought of stuff to buy for people not wanting to spend 100 bucks on something.
Yeah, it got a lot of people into x wing and armada. I couldn't care less about colossals and i'd rather buy a whole new game than invest money in a model i'll never use, that isn't transportable.
>>47475958
Warcasters play testing is an asshole, but there is no reason they couldn't make nice little unit boosting solos. Make a special mechanic who fucking loves a popular model that's become a bit weak. Sells the old model and one of the new ones.
>>47475531
>2 years without erratta sound like just long enough to get FirestormArmada'd.
With knowing nothing about that game, what does it mean to get 'FirestormArmada'd' ?
>>47475891
I have no interest in massive display pieces, so MKIII is the fist time PP has gotten my interest again pretty much since they announced huge based models.
>>47472383
They are actually pretty fucking awesome?
So many things coming. The Journeyman league is going to be my first official Warmanoun league. Excited!
>>47476002
Shelved by the company who makes it and essentially just left to die
Actually ironic since Firestorm still gets regular releases and got a version update last year I think. Spartan Games has an awful reputation for making games and then just letting them waste away into nothing while they try to make the next big thing
>>47475983
Actually it was the little Solos Boosting the Weak Units that made ME quit the game.
I wanted some Goddam Manowars ever since I bought Warmachine MKII the rulebook, and saw the shocktroopers as a sampler.
They where already overpriced as a Unit and being told "Oh yeah just buy some more crap" just felt like a massive insult when the COC came out and suddenly THEY where the Jack Faction, and suddenly they release what is like Shocktroopers only better and with stuff inbuilt that the expensive mini was supposed to do.
The Shocktrooper UA is much better now though.
And as much as the infantry faggots like to say otherwise the selling point of the game is the Jacks.
They occupy the most eye catchy spot in all the books, it explains warjack rules first, then the rules for infantry. In layout its Warcaster>Warjack>Unit>Everything else.
To have them suck, and then compounded with Hordes just being a better warmachine just made me feel outright insulted.
Im coming back to warmachine for the first time in years for MKIII
>>47476099
I can see that. You don't have to make them dedicated to one unit. There a few hodge podge solos like the anti legion elf who fit nicely into lists here and there.
>>47476099
I've never liked UAs, felt like a comp out for proper balancing and game design, and MKIII is making it worse by making them manditory for every unit you bring.
>>47476171
I'm okay with not taking UAs on some retribution units. They don't all need them.
>>47476148
>>47476171
Like Im FINE with UAs.
People bitched about the WGI UA becoming weaker but in my mind thats a much better game design.
UAs should not be auto include. And WGI as a concept should not be slayers of every infantry type. I feel like they occupy a much better design space as just a shitty but cheap jack of all trades unit.
>>47475859
Wait, for real?
Lel, bald elf love.
>>47472955
Magnetizing two heavy kits should cover a solid chunk of most of your lists.
Then get a Forsaken or two and a couple of Shepards.
>>47476171
Bane Warriors now have a mostly useless UA.
>>47476372
Key Word Mostly I hope.
What I want from this game is combined arms. This doesn't even need to favor Jacks or infantry but 1 unit should not be the solution to everything!
When people Bitched about WGI or Banes I heard:
"Why is my unit no longer: Accurate and Damaging and Hard hit hit and Fast and Hard to Kill"
The answer is that no unit should do everything at once, and should have a hard counter that motivates the use of multiple units or Warjacks.
>>47476211
>>47476225
It does seem to be all over the place. Worst offenders are Legion's troops, where they are nothing without the UAs.
>>47476449
Incredible information- Bane Thralls now have a UA that invites killing infantry which before they weren't great at killing because 1 attack which was mostly wasted. Now they respawn from kills with the UA.
>>47476521
They also kept Deadrise so I can see myself taking 3 full units with UAs with Terminus.
How do Croaks fit now? What units do they enable?
>>47476670
How are they going to hit with him? I'm assuming Tartar sauce.
>>47476670
Probably still better to take knights with Terminus desu. Warriors are just too slow
Sidenote- i hope warnouns will be able to contest zones again
>>47476709
Scaverous and other Telekinesis casters make them into a very good unit. Cheaper and get the bonus more easily while getting to hit and run.
>>47476874
I think you mean Croes.
Aren't Croaks relativly unchanged?
>>47476853
This. Warriors have bad design making them pointless in comparison. You pay the same for them who don't have reach or vengeance. Knights are now basically one of the few well done changes to Cryx.
>>47476517
>Worst offenders are Legion's troops, where they are nothing without the UAs.
and 2 of our UAs are characters
Does anyone have a copy of Wrath of the Dragonfather or Blood of Kings to share with us unwashed masses?
I know it was already asked for, but did really nobody saved a version of the Khador Deck?
>>47477961
pardon me, I thought only cryx was in the mega
>>47477961
I saved a version. Not sure how to post it without compromising my identity and the like.
>>47477961
nobody really did
man reading is hard
>>47473630
>This fucking character
He was like"nah... wont play him only because he is cool, because the rules suck". Now I'm afraid Ill meet this fucker every match up against trolls I have at my friends house, because all of a sudden its going to be "well of course Ill play him, he´s like the coolest dude to play with!"
That damn feat, if at least Hyperions critical consume could have affected medium based models as well!
Sigh... and I had such good hopes and dreams for my ranged Retribution force, when a great many things got buffed, and the availability to "ignore stealth" was all over mk3! Fuck you Bjorn, you hear that? FUCK YOU!
>>47476897
lost vitriol, lost a point of ARM, lost out of faction ways to get tough (doc croc or bust). lost 2 points of POW on their gun. got more expensive (most 8 cost units became cost 15, croaks became 17)
>>47475647
meanwhile the new skorne warlock is in constant agonizing pain and has to concentrate real hard or his skin will all fall off (thanks gunnbjorn). Par for the course for skorne lore really. i bet naaresh would fucking love xekaar
