Faxstorm Edition
Suck my dick I'm a Pale Nomad! Sub-Edition
In the last thread the discussion on alternative Primarch homeworlds continued, a World Eater player got advice, debate on Corvus being less manly for not going into a meatgrinder happened, an Anon got help for finding topknot pieces, dead scorpions might just be in your bedroom, is the HH really getting worse and did BaC not help? All of this plus more in the old thread >>47318368
Red Book Links:
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.zippyshare.com%2Fv%2Fs15Jqk1t%2Ffile.html
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmega.nz%2F%23!Jx1UGCTI!vMJN89z7p8tiEC7YOAj477g6RxDtJ7culVLF3q3godg
HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8aqx9j3a8erqv8d/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_6_-_Retribution.pdf or
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkat.cr%2Fthe-horus-heresy-book-6-retribution-pdf-t12199249.html
HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
Crusade Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
>>47341566
So what are you looking forward to the most? The unique legion weapons, Inferno, the new Moritiat, Russ?
>>47341566
I like this abstract a lot, thanks threadboi
>>47341588
Papa Sang and the full FW 30k BAs in general with the DAs too. I'm sort of looking forward to Inferno because I want to see how this new SoHs being sent with Leman bit is going to go down.
Just read Gulliman of the Primarchs arc. Had no doubt I'll like it due to the author. There are mildly OCD parts, but nothing tedious, I just hope Thorpe&Kyme didn't get anything to write.
>>47341423
>Is there anything that can survive 60 AP2 attacks?
Yeah, people with AP3 or better at initiative. I don't trust power armoured dudes to hold unwieldy weapons, unless they're going against other dudes with unwieldy weapons.
Deathshroud can fuck a lot of shit up due to being both non-unwieldy AP2 pseudo-Rampage weapons with 2W, as well as being able to "Look out Sir" foe each other, to better distribute wounds.And some people say that you could model them like Cataphractii to give them sweet 4++ due to them being equipped with non-specific "Terminator armour".
Anyone have any legions special character builds that are fun, interesting, or OP?
>Blood Angels Praetor, +1 Strength, Perdition Blade, instant death for one assault
Have fun trying to make 5 saves that all cause instant death
>Dark Angels Champion or Praetor, +1 WS, Paragon Blade (sword), +1 WS on the charge
Fucker can hit Fulgrim and Horus on a 3+
>Emperor's Children with charnabal sabre, +1 initiative, and +1 initiative for his unit on the charge
Strikes at initiative 10 on the charge in a challenge. Will still probably lose because of his shitty folded over one million times Charnabal sabre
>>47341423
A really lucky Primarch.
>>47341721
>Have fun trying to make 5 saves that all cause instant death
Fuck you m8 :'(
*Morturg casts Eternal Warrior on the Deathshroud Squad* :^)
>Strikes at initiative 10 on the charge in a challenge. Will still probably lose because of his shitty folded over one million times Charnabal sabre
Charnabal sabres desever better than that. Much, much better than that
Please shit on my up and coming Templar Imperial Fists with Knight allies list. This looks like a lot of fun to me but maybe I just need a reality check.
1995/2000 pts
Imperial Fists:
HQ
Sigismund, no RoW, 230pts
Troops
10 x Legion Tactical Squad, Extra CCWs, Vexilla, Sergeant with Artificer Armor and Power Fist, 240 pts
10 x Legion Tactical Squad, Extra CCWs, Vexilla, Sergeant with Artificer Armor and Power Fist, 240 pts
5 x Templar Brethren, 5 Combat Shields, Champion with Solarite Power Gauntlet, Land Raider Phobos, 460 pts
Heavy Support
Vindicator, Power of the Machine Spirit, Dozer Blade, 150 pts
Questoris Knights Detachment:
HQ
Lord Scion, Knight Gallant, 350 pts
Troops
Martial, Knight Gallant, 325 pts
>>47341790
Not quite. 60 WS4 S4 AP2 attacks ammount to 60(1/3)(1/3)(0.5) = 3.333 wounds, and that's assuming that the Primarch is alone, isn't T7 like Mortarion or Vulkan and killed no one with their non-unwieldy AP2 weapons.
As in, even Angron survives that.
>>47341650
Kyme has a monolopy with the Salmanders so you know he's going to do Vulkan.
>>47341650
Post spoilers!
>>47341930
Aren't they talking about vets? That would be WS 4 S 6 attacks for the furious charge power axes.
So 60 attacks, hit on 4+ (fairly certain) for 30 hits, wound on 4+ (vs T6) for 15 wounds, 4+ save means they are taking 7.5 wounds on average.
>>47341790
Wouldn't they only be A5?
2 base + 1 for two weapons + 2 for rage?
Am I missing something or are anons really bad at either math or rules?
Rolled 9 (1d10)
>>47342037
WTF you need WS9 to be hit on 5+?! Well, maybe if they fail their Fear test...at Ld9. But S5 wounds T6 on a 5+, so they'd be inflicting 5 unsaved wounds. Angron survives with 1 wound due to his FnP 6. Again, assuming he's alone and didn't attack (each dead guy would mean -6 attacks).
>>47342082
Exortations to Butchery grants +1 attack, so:
2 base +1 for pistol +2 for rage +1 for exortations.
>>47342272
Eh, forgot about the axe's +1S. It's 7 wounds.
>>47342082
You are right, /tg/'s simply this poor.
>>47342037
Most of the primarchs strike at unmodified initiative, more than half vets don't get a chance to attack at all.
>>47342272
Equipping entire vet squad with power axes and getting them an apothecary costs as much as Angron and he rapes the squad without regard as to who gets to charge.
>Domitar can't take a ride in an Arvus
>>47342272
>Exortations to Butchery
Shit forgot about that, noone mentioned apothecaries so it didnt click
I guess with an apothecary in the red wake they would be almost unimaginably brutal, but delivery is a problem if you go full sized squads
>>47341681
They aren't characters, they can simply challenge. Or so I thought
>>47342368
I'm the same one arguing each casualty would cost the squad 6 attacks. Angron could challenge both the sarge AND the apothecary (who would probably refuse, but that's what Precision strikes are for), and cost the squad 10+ attacks right from the beginning, as well as further 5 for each casualty.
>>47342596
You thought wrong :/
You could even not bring a Centurion and you'd still get a Warlord trait (but no RoW)
beep boop asking again: any crusade imperialis spoilers or changes we know of in their big red book?
>>47341959
I fear that might happen, and Thorpe's all over Lion and Corax. Frankly, Kyme's Vulkan is not that bad, but Salamanders and the rest make up for it.
>>47341976No.
>>47342632
I'm not sure why's the guy so stuck on FC PW vets. If facing WE, the first thing they'll most likely run into is despoiler blob that will make them roll for anal circumference.
>>47342939
Thrope's Law might have to be amended to include RG now that I think about it. Isn't he writing a new Salamanders series?
>>47343030
Kyme I mean.
>>47342939
Fucking shit, I deleted the fuckhueg comment.
Yeah, they'd be killed by those 100 attacks despoilers (9 unsaved wounds), but the point remains:
Vet squads are ded killy, and WE can run them the best:
Even if Angron attacks them and kills half the squad, they still manage to inflict 3.6 wounds on him, after FnP6
UNLESS the vets have Hatred with Berzerker Assault, which allows the 5 survivors to fucking murder Angron, inflicting 5.5 wounds on him after FnP.
>Instead of Kauragar, it could easily have been Angron dying on the ground, his ass 10 feet away chopped off by a Furious-Charge-Hatred-Rage-Exortated_to_Butchery-Traitor Veteran, inverse pic related.
If only WE had a way to get Vet troops while running Berzerker Assault, with some sort of WEloghurst...
Math:
Angron's S7+1 prevents the vet's FnP
7(2/3+2/9)(5/6) = 5.185
PotL vets (aka, troop vets)
(60-(6*5))(0.5)(0.5+(1/12))(0.5)(5/6) = 3.64
Berzerker vets. The 0.75 hit rate is 3/6+(3/6*3/6)
(60-(6*5))(0.75)(0.5+(1/12))(0.5)(5/6) = 5.46
Space Wolves rules when?
>>47343532
Have Angron charge, or in vacuum. It's easier to make the charge with one model than with ten.
>>47342310
>Most of the primarchs strike at unmodified initiative, more than half vets don't get a chance to attack at all.
Not denying that although to be fair what was said was "what can survive 60 AP 2 attacks" the answer to that is not much.
>>47342272
>WTF you need WS9 to be hit on 5+?
I have never bothered to memorize most of the to hit chart, but I remember you have to have an extremely high WS to not be hit on a 4+ by marines. WS chart is bullshit.
>>47343948
WE depend on the charge. Either get it or don't even consider it.
>>47344035
In order to hit someone on a 5+ they need to have more than double your WS.
WS chart is a complete waste of space and time.
>>47344597
Honestly it should be just like the wound chart except you always have a chance to hit/be hit.
So WS 4 attacking something.
>Hits WS 4 on a 4+
>2 on a 2+
>3 on a 3+
>4 on a 4+
>5 on a 5+
>6 on a 6+
>>47344597
I find the WS table incredibly retarded, even if it's made that way presumably taking sweep advances into account, or something like that.
>Be Terminator sarge with power fist, a superhuman with 300+ years of service.
>Try to hit a house-sized Land Raider, needs a 3+
>You roll a 1 and a 2
>The tank parries you attack using the lascannon sponson as a bat.
>"WHOOPS, I MISSED"
The hit chart shouldn't be capped at 3+
>>47345075
Kinda agree.
What do y'all think of my list
2000 point Loyalist Death Guard
RoW-- Pride of the Legion
HQ---
Crysos Morturg
Praetor- Terminator armor, Paragon blade, Digital weapon, Barbarian Thurible
x5 Deathshroud body guards
Elites--
Contempter mortis w/ kheres
Troops--
x5 Deathshroud terminators
x5 Deathshroud terminators w/ melta bombs
x5 Tactical support squad w/ plasma rifles and apothecary
Heavy Support--
x5 Grave Wardens W/ x4 chain fist
and...
Spartan Assault tank as dedicated transport w/ armored ceramite, flare shield
The plan is to go all in with Morturg's warlord trait to infiltrate 3 squads.
Morturg joins my Praetor and his Deathshroud. Together they have -2 toughness on the charge along with Morturg casting endurance each turn making them tough to kill. They go after expensive squads and HQ units.
The Grave Wardens infiltrate in their spartan (with laser destroyers now at close range) and go after vehicles/shoot stuff with poison rounds.
The Tactical support squad with plasma rifles is my distraction carnifex. Hopefully scares the poop out of the other player. They infiltrate with their apothecary and blow up what ever expensive squad the Morturg and my Praetor aren't fighting.
The Deathshroud troops and Contempter mortis work their way up the field claiming objectives.
Everything comes out to 2000 points. Can substitute the plasmas for 6-7 heavy flamers to take out tarpits if needed. Can also take one Deathshroud away from each troops squad and add them to my HQ bodyguards for more Ap2 hits at -1 Initiative
I have an ancient Razorback laying around, could that serve any purpose in a Heresy-era force? I know they don't get Razorbacks out of the box, and Predators don't have the option to take lascannons or bolters for the turret. Just think it's a cool model and was thinking of using it for some Imperial Fists or their derivatives, but would be a shame to scrap the turret and just use it as a Rhino.
>>47345404
Sure, check the Rhino rules in LACAL, you may opt to arm it with some heavy weapons without reducing its transport capaciti. There's also Damocles-pattern Command Rhino in HH5, Ultramarines section.
>>47345401
I never understood what you meant with "Laser Destroyers at close range". They're not melta, and their range is 48" since HH4
How do I go about painting my World Eaters with their red and white traitor scheme, without looking too similar to White Scars?
does an Imperial Fists teleportation transponder confer deep strike a unit if you give it to an independent character? So if I hook up a Primus Medicae with it, can I deep strike a support squad with plasma guns?
>>47345518
Paint them white
Splatter blood for the blood god all over those fuckers
Im not sure how you'd paint the blood so it looks dried up but that may be another option if you ever found out if it can be done.
>>47345652
No? You need the teleportation RoW to do that.
>>47345088
>The hit chart shouldn't be capped at 3+
Mainly this. Elite marines don't need to be hitting guardsmen on a 2+, but it is bullshit that a chapter master with centuries of service hits a Tau Fire warrior with next to no melee training whose Great, Great, Great, Great grandparents were in basic training when the chapter master was a scout only has 4/6ths of a chance of being hit by the chapter master.
>>47345661
>Im not sure how you'd paint the blood so it looks dried up
My guess would be a very light layer of very fine sand in places painted layers of brown and red.
Which legion would experience the worst ping? I'm talking about 999 to 1000+ ping.
>>47345652
Nope. In fact, if you want to teleport him alongside the termies you have to give them teleporters AND buy the IC a teleporter of his own, because "all models must have the deep strike rule".
>>47345933
Ping as in vidya ping?
>>47345961
Yeah vidya ping. I'm thinking World Eaters and Night Lords.
>>47341566
Theories about Custodes rules?
>>47345997
I'm certain Iron Warriors have the worst internet ever. They were issued telephone modems once and never resupplied.
>>47346114
I think they'd just play Dorf Fort and RTSs. But having bad internet would probably be in character for them.
>>47345712
>>47345661
Here's some later Heresy World Eaters
>>47346183
>>47346038
Base 5 stats (WS, BS, S, T)
Purchaseable as a single elites choice a squad of 1-10 custodes. Custodes spears are +1 strength, AP 2, two handed.
>>47346206
>>47346206
Woops, forgot the left part of the tank spread
>>47346250
>>47346250
Will the World Eaters starting becoming more like their modern counterparts in the next book or what? Also who's more damned: them or us for having to wait so long to see this series end?
>>47346363
I just want updated Rampagers, worthy of being called the Berzerkers' forerunners.
So I am starting a Pride of the Legion World Eater list, having come into a few squads of terminators recently.
Is this a good start for it?
HQ: Praetor in Cataphacti Terminator armor, Grenade Harness, Paragon blade, Combi Melta 172pts
Troops: 5 Man Terminator Squad, 1 Reaper Autocannon, 4 Vokalite Chargers, 2 PowerFist, 2 Lightning Claw, Power Axe on leader 243pts
Troops: 5 Man Terminator Squad, 1 Reaper Autocannon, 4 Vokalite Chargers, 2 PowerFist, 2 Lightning Claw, Power Axe on leader 243pts
Troops : Red Butchers, Devourer with chainfist 280pts
Heavy: Spartan Assault Tank: Armored Ceramite, Dozer Blade 320pts
Heavy: Predator with Lascannon sponsons, Hunter Killer Missile 120pts
Heavy: Predator with Lascannon sponsons, Hunter Killer Missile 120pts
Total:1500
>>47342882
> Mostly unchanged, they are generally very happy with the points costs
> Notable exception is Assault Marines who will see a 'massive' points reduction
> Rapiers made more expensive but given new shot profiles (Retribution)
> More an exercise in collating all the new units into one place rather than any significant rebalancing
>>47346635
I would swap the Predators out for Vindicators honestly. Makes more impact on cleaning the numbers of your opponents and can move with the Terminators, unlike the predator which would want to stay back to fire all guns.
This feels like a list that wants to mass move and then blitz the enemy with the butchers.
>Still no primarch helmets
>Still no Alpharius or Dorn
God forbid they release the two primarchs that have had rules for like almost 2 years before releasing one that doesnt even have rules yet.
>>47341925
Your knights will be providing most of the anti tank so I'd drop the vindicator and make the tac squads both FC vet squads with power weapons.
>>47347574
I would have really preferred having them as vet squads, but Pride of the Legion doesn't allow for allies...unless I read it wrong.
Starting Alpha Legion. Got Autlion Skorr because he's a cool model and thought his rules would be good for small games if I wanted, but I was looking at his trial .pdf rules and not the real ones.
Where is Autlion great, using his final version that gives you 3+ fnp after choosing to take the random final turn?
>>47346209
I thought they were going to be a fully fledged list.
>>47348334
They are, he's just a retard.
Anyone got any pics of Iron Warriors in unmodified Mark IV?
Beep Boop
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Iron-Circle-Domitar-Ferrum-Battle-automata
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Iron-Circle-Moving-Bulwark
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/The-Shield-of-the-Iron-Tyrant
>>47348716
Who in their right mind would field six of those?
>>47348750
Eh, it's the maximum number of robots you can get in the unit, and only two more than the minimum you need to make a bodyguard unit.
And I imagine in Zone Mortalis games they'd be a nightmare.
>>47348785
>And I imagine in Zone Mortalis games they'd be a nightmare.
What makes you say that?
>>47348799
Well, they can cut off half the board from each other just by standing around beep-boop-ing.
So what primarch do you think we're going to see at open day?
Im hoping either dorn or alpharius will make a surprise release before russ
>>47348716
Worked it out, neither bundle gives you anything off.
>>47348799
Well, they're T7, with 4+ rerolls against blast and template (which is most weapons strong enough to hurt them at range), and they have S10 AP2.
The enemy basically needs to commit a deathstar or near-deathstar against them in order not to be bogged down by them, and they have the power to critically wound or destroy pretty much any deathstar.
Termies? These guys hit at I3.
Dreadnoughts? Enjoy S10 AP2.
Not to mention they can be joined by an IC, so if cheese is really on the menu, then put a Primus Medicae in with them and enjoy 5+ FNP.
Admittedly, Instant Death might be a problem, but apart from certain special characters who have them, a unit of these guys might be less of an expense for what they provide than a Termie deathstar or semi-deathstar.
I haven't done any significant maths on this, but I'd give a unit of two of these guys a go instead of an IW termie deathstar, if only just because the models look cool.
I forget the rules, but are MCs transportable?
If not, then that's an obvious red card against them, outside of a few specialised uses, but I like the models and the beep boop meme too much to think it's a shitty unit.
>>47348836
>implying beardless Russ isn't actually Alpharius
>implying forcing the 1k Sons into heresy wasn't just as planned
>>47348904
They can't go in a Transport, or Deep Strike with Pert. That's one of the major problems with them.
Can you take Questoris Knights allies while running Pride of the Legion? I want my sniper vets and giant robots too.
Is is just me, or is Loken utterly useless?
>Fails to prevent lodges corrupting his legion
>Fails to prevent Erebus corrupting Horus
>Gets arse kicked by Abaddon
>Fails on mission to Caliban
>Gets arse kicked by Aximand while outnumbering Little Horus 2 to 1
>Fails on mission to Vengeful Spirit (Horus knows Russ is coming, and about the guidance markings)
Going to pick up the betrayal at calth box in the next few weeks to build a Iron Warrior army, aside from maybe a few getting a few heavy weapons from forgeworld. Does anyone have suggestion on what would be good to expand the force with? Been leaning towards some quad mortar and graviton cannon teams.
>>47343841
End of the year, wolf-brother. Then our kin will finally receive the respect it deserves and the Wolf Lird's jaws will lock upon the filthy witches of the Thousand Sins!
>>47349253
Only the markers the SW wanted to be found were found. He's an interesting dude at least, one of my favorite characters so far.
>>47349412
>Thousand Sins
>Magnus did nothing wrong
O GAWD THEY LOOK SO COOL
Is there any way to make them at all worth the cost?
I'm seriously considering just begging my FLGS to let me have a teleportation matrix on Perty so I can do what they actually do in the books
>>47349459
BEEP BOOP
>>47349475
Hey, Perturabo, hey
WHAT
We surround you.
...
You're stuck with us.
>>47346183
Which book is this in? I had asked when WE started going red/white a few threads ago and the response was basically, "nah just Red Butchers." I play a late Heresy army anyway (Kharn has Gorechild, Inductii, etc) so the red/white scheme fits better. Luckily I've only painted 7 Tacs so far so correcting it won't be an issue.
Side note, do we know if Kharn ever went white/red?
>>47349632
This is in book six, part of the fluff where Autek moon slaps Bodt
No info yet on if Kharn went white and red, but I'm guessing he did as most of the legion ended up doing so
>>47349487
I hope we'll get more Iron Circle comics now the models are out.
>>47349459
Beep beep boop! I talked about the Iron Circle getting personalities before, and now for some I came up with.
>Lil' Pertutrabo
>the son Pertruabo never knew he wanted. Acts the most like Pert.
>Jamaal
>mannerisms suggest higher education and is incredibly competent. Lil'Perturabo's right hand robutt
>>47348750
>Who in their right mind would field six of those?
Perturabo
Oh wait, in their right mind? No one
>>47349459
>>47349459
>Beep boop beep beep boop beep
JUST
>Boop beep beep boop
SHUT
THE
>Boop beep beep boop
FUCK
>boop beep boop
UP
>>47350320
It is the Beep-Boopstorm, in all its footslogging can't-deep-strike-or-be-transported glory.
>>47350347
Aren't the Iron Circle supposed to all fit inside Tormentor? I guess they upped the size of each Robot which means they'll have to modify the Tormentor Rules to fit all Six Robots.
>>47349459
Fuck this shit nigger, etched brass pre-orders.
At long last, I can finally paint my fucking vehicles.
>>47350347
It will however, never fucking die. You'd need 11 1/2 Sigismunds to kill it in a turn and that's without Perturabo.
>>47350407
>You'd need 11 1/2 Sigismunds
>1/2
Where did you get that from?
>>47349709
Aw shit yes. Dubs proposes some names for the title.
Perturabo & Friends?
>>47350407
That's hilarious.
If they are that much of a damage soak in shooting, they just might be worth it.
>>47350420
Beepitus Boopitus.
>>47350419
>>47350444
Wait, Sigismund only gets Instant Death and re-rolls in a challenge.
54 Sigismunds
>>47350407
>>47350419
>>47350518
>ORDER OF THE SIGISMUNDS, ASSEMBLE!
>>47350398
This, this, all of my this.
Fucking finally, right?
>>47350407
>>47350419
>>47350518
It won't be enough! SEND THE BEARVERSORS!
>>47350518
That would require some time hijinks, or Siggy getting hyped up on enough caffeine until he can move around fast enough to cause enough damage to equal 54 of himself.
>>47350552
My sides.
>>47350420
Silly 420, Perty has no friends. Not even the friend-bots he builT himself were his friends
>>47350561
Put them in reserves. If we lost them all you know how many planets would lose their bears? We can't deprive them of nature's Eversors.
>>47350580
Such is the price of victory, brother.
>"We have arrived, and it is now that we perform our charge.
>In fealty to the Man-Emperor (our atheist Lord) and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare Exbearminatus upon the Imperial world of Typhon Primaris.
>I hereby sign the death warrant of an entire world and consign a million Bears to oblivion.
>May Imperial Justice account in all balance.
>The Bearversor Protects."
>>47350621
I am no strange to the deaths of planets. I do not hate the Bearversor, but I hate the one who forced its hand.
>>47350682
Some may question my right to unleash the Bearversor on ten billion citizens...
>>47350704
...but those who truly understood know I had no right to let them live.
>>47350710
Yet ultimately, it was I who set these events into motion. With a single blow of my new hammer, Forgebreaker.
>>47350710
+===Thought for the Day:beep JUST boop SHUT beep THE boop FUCK beep UP boop===+
>>47348267
Retribution.
>>47349459
>>47349475
>>47349487
>>47349905
>>47350320
>>47350347
BEEB BOOP FOR THE ROBOT GOD
> FOOTSLOGGERS GONNA FOOTSLOG
>>47341566
Guys, you got me to watch this emperors text to speech device thing.
Episode 9 nearly has me crying with laughter.
Fucking hell, this is amazing!
>>47351008
9? You haven't even seen the best character make his appearance yet.
>>47350704
>>47350710
>>47350729
>>47350738
Faithful... enlighten... ambitious... brethren. In a but less of a decade, a few bear paw swipes, we have started a rebellion that will be made legend. Though it was a simpler, weaker voice that illuminated me during my time at the Serpent's Lodge... it was the Dark Gods' messenger who showed me the true path of freedom from the pathetic False Emperor and Bearversor.
And what is this path? To which we burn my father's realm? It is picnic baskets but mostly nothing. There is no purpose. We murdered, we've killed, and the False Emperor claims our glory, abandoned humanity for godhood and the Bearversor takes our picnic baskets. It is mindless savagery, this UNIVERSE IS MINDLESS!
In mere few years, Terra will burn, trillions will die. Innocent! Guility! Bears and weak! Honest and deceitful! All of them! They will scream, they will burn, and for no purpose but for that the Ruinious Powers may revel in their bloodshed! And united in this void of picnic baskets, fear, or duty... We are at long last free!
LET THE GALAXY BURN! LET THE HEAVENS BLEED!
>>47351170
>BEEP FOR THE BEEP GOD!! BOOP FOR THE BOOP GOD!! LET THE GALAXY BEEEEEAAAR!!!
>>47351046
Will be happy to see it.
Also, how ok woild people in general be if I played some legions with others rules?
Thinking about adding some traitor loyalists to my word-bearers and painting the traitor WS regilar white red with some serpent lodge imagery.
After all, shattered legions are enemy approval only so its easier to just have them count as WB.
Regular allies matrix doent cut it in regards to cults and lodges.
>>47351294
>Regular allies matrix doesn't cut it
Because it was made with the butt. "Done in colaboration with BL" my ass, especially given how WB and WE aren't Sworn Brothers here
>>47345401
Ok this post has reminded me of an issue i've got with Pride of the Legion wording:
"Veteran Tactical Squads and Legion Terminator Squads may be taken as troop choices"
This doesn't allow you to take any unit wearing terminator armour (such as deathshroud) as troops.
Or was there an FAQ or errata that says otherwise?
>>47351358
Legion Terminator Squad is a specific entry in the crusade army list so no.
>>47351358
I remember them telling me Elite specific termies did become troops, and that was after 2014's FAQ, which happened at HH1, in a time they hadn't made up their mind and the Taghmata wasn't even a thing. Maybe ask them?
>>47351413
Who is this mysterious 'them' you speak of?
>>47351498
FW's customer service. Well, the guys who answer your doubts about rules. On a 4+ they say the truth, otherwise they say inaccurate bullshit.
So yeah, they're actually that Fateweaver daemon
>>47351325
Just because their Primarchs were friends doesn't mean the legions will be. Maybe some World Eaters aren't too big on Lorgar turning their papa into to a big red daemon.
>>47351358
For somebody who is obsessed with efficiency, i find kinda ironic that Pert failed to make the Iron Circle in such a way they can be folded away into a Spartan
Are there any other pretty unique short stories/novellas in the BL series?
When I say unique I mean like
> a short story from the perspective of a cursed knife, from the time of cavemen to the 31st millenium
> the short story about the Emperor and the last church on terra
>>47351358
>>47351578
It's in the newest red book.
Unfortunately that means awesome squads like the Tyrant Siege and Grave Warden terminators can't be troops.
Speaking of which, do the DG players here prefer the Deathshroud to the Grave Wardens?
AP2 and 4 attacks at I3 on the charge is an impressive attack indeed. And they have 2 wounds and Ld 10, so are in fact superior to the GWs.
It's just that the Imperial Fist in me appreciates the dakka the Grave Wardens have, even without the whole fluff issue of forbidden Nurglite/xeno poisons.
>>47352201
But anon, he can always drop from orbit with them!
:^)
>>47351568
Indeed. The WEs already had a hostility to psykers before they became Khornate.
>>47345401
>plasma rifles
you mean plasma guns right? we ain't fooking Tau.
>>47353218
>Drop from orbit
That should be an option. Perty literally dumps them out from his ship into space and they "deep strike", scattering 1d6 FEET.
If they survive and Perty is on the he gets a permanent -2 to his Ld.
>>47353218
that would require folding them into a Stormbird
>>47349459
Muh dick is iron.
>>47353380
MY FACE IS STEEL, MY DICK IS MY SWORD!!!
>>47353331
It could perhaps just be on the turn he deep struck. And you already can't charge out of deep strike, so him recovering for a minute after having lived out Captain Boreale's wildest dream is already fairly well represented, as well as balanced.
>>47353377
I suppose so.
If they can't fit into that new Mastodon, then they're going to be relegated to fluffy play and purchase as models rather than competitive play.
Honestly, they should be able to fit one into a drop pod, and all of them (maybe not with Perturabo) into a Dreadnought drop pod, or some of the spikey ones.
>>47353380
>>47353394
Iron within :^), Iron without :^).
>tfw without gf :^(
I forget the exact phrasing, but in Path of Heaven it describes the head navigator for the whole imperium as and hulking and inhuman.
>>47353218
Deathshroud are the uber assault termies, Grave Wardens are regular power fist termies (meaning they fuck with 2W termies just fine) that are also fully equipped with poison flamers and get a Spartan DT. Wardens even cost the same as vanilla Terminators, and are the only scoring thing you get in the heavy choices. Tldr; they do kinda different jobs, DS is choppier, GW go after the heavy stuff
>>47353496
Like Dune?
>>47353446
Iron within...her :^)
Somebody post the Iron waifu pic, I'm on my phone
>>47353496
navigators were always blatantly taken from Dune. I think this was just a subtle little nod to it.
>>47353496
Yeah, that's pretty much always been the fluff. If you care for more check out Wolfblade where the Belisarius family admits that they'd all be burned if the wrong inquisitor ever wandered into their basement or Rogue Trader where your character can slowly transform into a denizen of Innsmouth.
>>47353496
Stuff like that with a more "Twilight Zone" or Lovecraftian feel appeals to me a lot more than the drive GW's marketing has taken a lot with the desire to "standardise" the universe in order to sell more of THEIR toys (instead of conversions and 3rd party) and make the universe easier for newbs to understand (ie: shallower).
There's also kind of a trend to play up the human aspect of it in a light similar to Starship Troopers, which is of similar ethos, but not the same kind of sci-fi at all. Starship Troopers is like 20 years into a game of Stellaris, 30k is 20 game-spans of Stellaris away from Starship Troopers.
I suppose the Great Crusade era is a lot more suited to the Lovecraftian horror and unease, along with the fiction that takes place away from the battlefields where "the regulars" are fighting it out.
Hopefully when they make a Great Crusade series of rulebooks, there'll be rule matrices where you can design pretty much any type of alien species or pseudo-demonic horror to fight against.
>>47353574
>>47349253
Wait, Caliban? How did he not die at Istvaan III, let alone get off the planet?
>>47353713
Ferrum Honore Veniat, brother.
>>47353713
Speaking of that image, by the way, what do you guys think of using Autocannons in your Heavy Support Squad? In 30k meta it doesn't seem to be the same loss of effectiveness versus HBs as in 40k, since most squads have an armour save against HBs already.
Also, there's the Iron Havocs, where you can mix and match any of the "sniping" heavy weapons, so I'm thinking mixing in some autocannons with a heavy bolter squad could make it a bit of a "one-two punch" when facing things with higher toughness, like Primarchs, Mechanicum MCs, and of course, Rhinos.
Again, this is mostly a modelling thing, but I want to know if there's any tactical advantage I'm overlooking with regards to their use.
>>47353715
Read the books.He is just left behind for a long period of time, goes all Castaway, and is only saved when Garro comes in and picks him up for Malcador and possibly the proto-Grey Knights.
>>47353780
I want decent shrapnel ammo. Make them pinning at -1Ld at least.
>>47353780
>Read the books.
I've read the first five or six and a couple afterward. I'm not going in order anymore, there are too many so I just pick up books about legions I feel like reading about. Just read Scars - a bit disjointed and I'm not sure what the point of the Space Wolves POV sections were, but I like what they did with the Khan.
Haven't gotten to Loken's revival. Is Saul Tarvitz there too? Big happy reunion of loyalist Istvaan III survivors? Get back together with the surviving remembrancers and live happily ever after? Gods, I hope not. Death is sometimes the more honorable ending.
>>47351325
World bearers and word eaters
>>47354121
Don't think so, given that Tarvitz and his happy gang of survivors got nuked by Horus at the end of Galaxy in flames
>>47350809
I was asking the ways in which Mr. Autilon is good, not the book he's in.
>>47355001
he is:
>cheap
>comes with good gear
>Can choose his WL trait
>does a good job at what he is there for IE being a cheap way to get RoW without having a fragile/trash warlord
>>47355001
Choosing your strategic trait is a great technique in formulating Alpha Legion geometry.
>>47354121
Saul Tarvitz is dead. And if you're only reading the novels then you won't get to Loken's revival. He'll just show up in Vengeful Spirit. You have to listen to the Garro audios if you want his revival.
Also the point of the Space Wolves was to show what was happening to them post-Prospero. Theirs and the White Scar's fights with the Alpha Legion is old Index Astartes-era lore. Plus it ties in to Wolf King, which is a pretty great novella.
>>47355142
>Alpha Legion geometry
Is there are format of w40k where it is not legal to use formations and supplements. I am reading the mini rule book pdf the second time and I can't find anything like that. Maybe the full version has such a rule set. My friends say that they can just use formations when ever they want. Which is fine for them, but sucks for my army
>>47355364
There are no formations in 30k, your friends are probably faggots, and you're a sucker for not playing Space Marines.
Probably.
>>47355364
You're in the wrong thread - this is for the Horus Heresy supplement by Forge World. Basically a set of army lists set in the 31st millennium.
But no, the current edition of 40k allows formations and supplements. That's why you should get your friends to check out the Horus Heresy (though it's all human factions).
>>47355364
There is. It's called asking your friend to not use formations.
7th edition 40k more blatantly places the responsibility of deciding what's appropriate for the table in the hands of the players.
>>47355452
Ok I didn't even knew there is a w30k. Sorry. By the way is there an imperial guard faction in it. And how popular is it. Am realy fresh to table top gaming, so if it is more popular maybe I could switch and not feel like I wasted 500euros.
>>47355469
Only asking won't work, if the rules say they can. no one is that stupid.
>>47355501
There's Imperial Militia and Solar Auxilia, as well as a potential Imperial Army list in the future. You also have access to most things in the Imperial Armour books.
It is less popular than normal 40k because it is more expensive to get into and has no filthy xenos, but it is growing.
>>47355534
It's not about being stupid.
It's about using a force that playing against your army will provide an actual fun competition against.
You're being taken for a sucker by WAACfags.
Find someone who primarily wants to play for the company and the fluff (the "dynamic storytelling" experience).
>>47355501
Yes there is, it's called the Imperialis Militia, and they'll be getting a new, cheaper army book soon, so hold off on buying anything physical until then.
Pretty much all infantry can be used in it, and all Leman Russes, and you can customise the rules your troops fight under to fit the story you have for "your dudes" better than in the default IG, so it's a fun list for infantry.
Unfortunately most of the tanks that aren't Leman Russes aren't in it (for no discernible reason), so if you want to use them, and can find people to play against who aren't sticklers for red tape like the people the other anon plays with, you can just use the Imperial Guard rulebooks for vehicles that aren't in the Horus Heresy rules.
There's links to rules in the description if one wanted to get a sense of what the rules are like.
>>47355534
Cool, then you refuse to play. If it's a friend, not a random pick-up game, then you can agree to whatever rules you want. Especially from the sounds of it, anon's working off of only a starter set.
>>47355612
>as well as a potential Imperial Army list in the future
I hadn't heard about this.
I thought the Solar Auxilia were the Imperial Army?
Seems a bit iffy making the Imperial Army a different list entirely to the Imperial Militias.
Though if the Army doesn't have the same level of customisation, as long as it has access to all the IG vehicles, mixing the two lists together overcomes both weaknesses.
>>47355664
Well I have never seen anyone play any game where they could have an edge over the other team and not use it, if it was legal. So I doubt that two of my opponents, who seem to have fun beating, me will suddenly want to have their chance of losing lowered, if they can stop it.
There is a problem with holding off with the buying, all 3 of us bought armies at the same time. I do not have any lemman russes yet, so at least that is win. Can they use chimeras and wyverns. I have 3 of those each?
What is a WAAC and the dynamic storytelling?
>>47355671
Yeah if I refuse to play with legal rules, then I have just spend almost 500 euros on plastic. I could have bought a good bike for summer and still have left over money.
>>47355803
>What is a WAAC and the dynamic storytelling?
Are these two you play against the same ones who introduced you to 40k in the first place?
>>47355364
>Is there are format of w40k where it is not legal to use formations and supplements.
Yes, Horus Heresy.
>>47355803
WAAC was the Women's Army Auxiliary Corps, but in game terms it's an acronym for "win at all costs".
The thing about 40k is that in impersonal tournament "meta", where game mechanics impose Darwinian selection on which armies have a good chance of winning, lists chosen because the player likes the models and/or the characters they're based on fall to the wayside in favour of weird lists that aren't representative of the story-telling aspects of the game.
Since these people are your friends and the've just bought their armies, it seems unlikely they're using armies that are complete "cheese", and I know all too well the desire to see all your starting component get playtime, so this doesn't seem to be a question of asking your friends to water down the ratio of powerful units in their army, just you increasing the ratio in yours. Just be careful it doesn't turn into an arms race.
AFAIK the Chimera and Wyverns can't be used in 30k, but you bought your army for 40k, so worrying about 30k isn't important. There's actually another thread on right now about 40k where they could answer these questions better. >>47352686
>>47352686
I'm surprised you have an Imperial Guard list with so many Wyverns and no Leman Russes. Leman Russes are fantastic.
It sounds like you have an anti-infantry army and the opponents have vehicles or super-heavy infantry, so if you do get Leman Russes, make sure not to build an anti-infantry one. The default one is always good as a general purpose one anyway.
Alternatively, there's a tank called the Baneblade you can get that's 3 or 4 leman russes in one package. It has variants too, but all but one or two of them are capable against any vehicles.
Before doing that, though, playing a game without vehicles might give you more insight into what's deficient in your army list, and what's strong in your opponent's, so just get that experience before piling more money in.
>>47355803
>>47356008
Additionally, if you were eager to get more vehicles, Leman Russes will be a good investment long-term either way, so don't be too caught up in humming and hawing.
And "dynamic storytelling" is basically the "story" that unfolds when you play a battle. It's what /tg/ is all about.
This article explains it better.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Your_Dudes
They also do really good and funny articles on pretty much everything in the hobby, including army guides, like this one:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Imperial_Guard%287E%29
Go to the 40k general on this site, read through 1d4chan and the formal wikis. Have fun.
>>47355868
I did see some games vs other people that play at a store here. But yes, the first actual games were vs my friends.
>>47356008
Ok. IMO tanks IG have seem all dreadful. My marine opponent normal kills 5 out of 6 on his first turn with his heavy weapon marines.
I have 60 marines 3 command section 3 chimeras and 3 wyverns.
I can't find a baneblade in my IG book. Does it have rules in a GW magazine?
>>47356094
No offense but those articles make people that play table top games in to some sort of schizos that see and hear things when they play. Although It is well possible, I got something wrong in them. My english school level.
>>47346183
Was there any fluff on those bunny ears before HH series or are they just a shitty rip off from berzerkers?
For the new guy asking these question to get a better grasp on the HH my advice is reading older to up to date codices, read only the first four novels, Collected Visions, FW's books, but there are two non-40k books you need to read as well. Get Paradise Lost and Death of a Salesman. Also play Dwarf Fortress, and wait for a tantrum spiral. Those last three can sum up the Horus Heresy nicely.
>>47356313
Yeah, that's a nice concise reading list. Numpty.
>>47356214
The Baneblade and its variants have their rules in a book called "Escalation", and if your friends are real sticklers about the rules, I believe there are a handful of rules about it not featuring at certain points costs or in certain missions, but I don't know those. The 40k general I linked to can explain it better.
There is a link in the description. I advise you check it out and do the research on the rules and stats of the Baneblades.
As for Imperial Guard tanks being terrible, they're actually not. They pack more firepower and more armour than respectively than the Land Raider and Predator, though I suppose the Leman Russ is somewhere in between.
The Leman Russ has the strongest ranking of front armour possible (14), so you are either dealing with marines "list-tailoring" (basing what they are using on what you use) and taking lascannons in cover, or (more likely) you are letting them get too close with other weapons. If they use Drop Pods to get their guys in and destroy your vehicles, you ought to have a "back up plan", both in killing the unit that killed one of your better units, and something to use in place of the thing that got blown up.
Also, Chimeras and Wyverns aren't "real" tanks, their armour isn't as strong as the Leman Russ at all. Chimeras are for getting your troops in close range and Wyverns are for hitting the enemy's infantry when they are in cover. Neither are tanks meant to absorb damage or dish it out.
I'm not going to reply any more, because these are questions that belong in the 40k general, and my answers already cover everything I can say to explain. I wish you well, and as I said before, have fun. It's not frustrating in the right mindset.
>>47356241
That might be just from this being 4chan's playerbase. There might be blogs in your native language you could understand more easily.
>>47356313
Perty and Dorn start playing Dwarf Fortress when the game is finally finished just before the Heresy. What happens?
>>47356313
>Collected Visions
Visions of Heresy. Collected Visions is outdated.
>>47356366
Dorn gets to see how the Horus Heresy plays out with his fort and achieves CHIM. Pert stages several Boatmurdered level scenarios to weed out the weak dorfs.
>>47356366
Dorn makes a well-functioning fortress that pours lava all over itself when enemies breach it, except for 1000 marines in a purpose-built room who did nothing during the normal operation of the fortress.
Perturabo builds a fortress where the dwarves suffer immensely but a machine is built that funnels lava directly into Dorn's fortress and has a 50/50 chance of spilling into his own.
>>47356386
So it's got everything the Collected Visions has and more?
>>47356366
>>47356440
>>47355501
>>47355747
Oddly enough, there isn't yet a "normal" Imperial Army list.
There are Solar Auxilia models - they're basically an elite type of Imperial Army unit capable of void combat. In practice they're similar enough to 40k IG - they've got transports (based on the Malcador chassis), Leman Russes, and superheavies. Ogyrns, too.
Then there's the Imperial Militia, without dedicated models but with very flexible rules allowing you to represent a very wide range of less-elite troops, including pretty well armored guys or slightly mutated ones.
>>47356440
Yes. It is 100% the replacement for Collected Visions as stated by both Alan Bligh and Alan Merrett.
>>47356563
What is the updated material?
>>47356533
You're assuming FW can make a decent and complete 30k army list in a single book
>Legiones Astartes needed HH1, HH2, HH3, then a sort of compilation became available as LACAL, but then HH5 and HH6 added more stuff
>AdMech got HH1 and HH2 before, and even in the redbook the Thallax still struggle to be something other than reductor tax
SA and IA still need about two more books to be complete. So, just a decade or so.
>>47356588
The entire Shadow Crusade of the World Eaters and Word Bearers and Shadow Wars of the Knights Errant, the Shattered Legions still operating as viable forces, changes to legion sizes, reorganization of sections and artwork to actually correspond to what's being written. Probably a good chunk more. I never found a scan of the second volume.
>>47356628
Oh yeah, and the fact that Horus didn't rush straight to Terra after Isstvan. That was a big one.
>>47355364
>Is there are format of w40k where it is not legal to use formations and supplements.
No, of course not. They're all part of the game and are all entirely legal in all occasions.
It's part of the reason modern 40k is in the toilet.
>>47355364
3rd-5th edition.
>>47356362
>so you are either dealing with marines "list-tailoring" (basing what they are using on what you use) and taking lascannons in cover,
Or they're just doing the typical newbie thing and always opting for the highest strength gun available.
Like how my first Dread is rocking a TL Lascannon and a Fist.
>>47356628
ScanAnon said he was working on it.
>>47347267
He's asking about the SA/Imperial Militia book, not Age of Darkness Legiones Astartes Redbook.
>>47348836
FW already confirmed Magnus is after Russ. Then Dorn or Alpharius afterwards.
>>47356613
Good point. Let's look at the books and speculate on what the next ones will have:
Book 1: Sons of Horus, Death Guard, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, some Mechanicum
Book 2: Iron Hands, Salamanders, Night Lords, Word Bearers
Book 3: Raven Guard, Imperial Fists, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors
Book 4: Knights and other Mechanicum, Solar Auxilia, Imperial Militia
Book 5: Ultramarines, Warlord Titan, Word Bearers (more demonic)
Book 6: Blackshields, Shattered Legions, some more Mechanicum
Book 7: Thousand Sons, Space Wolves, Custodes, Sisters of Silence (not out, but well rumored)
Now it's total speculation time
Book 8: Dark Angels (Thramas Crusade), White Scars, Blood Angels (trying to get back to Terra)
Book 9: Mechanicum automata, knight Porphyrion, Secutarii (Martial civil war)
Book 10: increasingly demonic Emperor's Children, Death Guard, World Eaters, maybe a new Imperial Army type (Solar System incursion)
Book 11: bit of everything (Siege of Terra part 1)
Book 12: Dark Angels, more thoroughly (Caliban)
Book 13: bit of everything (Siege of Terra part 2)
I'm probably missing a couple of filler books in between, but I'm not sure what they'd cover
>>47356386
I've always wondered what's the difference between the two.
>>47345460
Are there any Blood Angels named characters who turned traitor?
>>47357065
There's the Red Angel. Although he's possessed.
>>47357065
Ironically asking this question in 40k would get you killed harshly.
I'm not aware of any Imperial Fists gone rogue either.
>>47357109
Isn't Angron already named the Red Angel?
>>47357065
No. BAs would rather go down screaming or something of the like than go traitor, but FW did say every legion did have traitors. The question is just how many did turn their backs on the Emperor and why. Probably ignorant plebs who suck blood instead of scraping and licking it.
>>47357126
Yup. Horus Aximand exists when there's the Primarch Horus. Not everyone gets a totally unique name.
>>47357065
This guy.
>>47356931
Your Book 9 better have Mighty Reductor characters, anon.
>>47357166
From what I recall he was a sacrifice and not a traitor.
>>47357126
Yes. Though it's not as overused as Lucius though.
>>47357126
Horus tells this to the possessedMeros, but I think it's hinted Angron won't give a fuck about it.
>>47357166
Didn't he sacrificed himself so that the best Primarch didn't fall to chaos? He's a hero.
...and he's regretting it 24/7. Grimdark.
>>47348482
Where has that been stated? They haven't been in a single allies chart and agents of the emperor is still a thing.
>>47357226
FW has already talked about balancing their list against marines. Also you don't need a specific "Custodes" entry in the allies matrix, their list will probably fall under Agents of the Emperor.
>>47357226
>agents of the emperor is still a thing.
you just answered your own question.
>>47356628
Well, in the name of keeping the past alive, I have to go and find me a copy of Collected Visions.
>>47349459
>one single pose
Did FW decimate the other 9 poses?
>>47353331
The Iron Circle are well know for their impenetrable defenses and savage battle prowess, but the trait that has truly earned them renown is their blazing will and ability to shield the primarch Perturabo.
Even after the primarch removed all tracking devices from the Iron Circle and ensured that they had absolutely no way at all to know where he was, once deployed the machines would preternaturally beeline straight to him and assume their eponymous defensive circle.
So great is their innate desire to ensure the safety of Perturabo that even when he jettisoned a half dozen of them out into the cold embrace of space moments before heading into battle, these machines yet found a way to correct their course despite possessing absolutely no zero g maneuvering equipment and proceeded to crash land into Perturabo's position on the battlefield.
It is currently suspected that certain elements of the Iron Warriors are purposefully deploying the Iron Circle despite their master's order to "NOT LET THE FUCKING BEEP BOOPS OUT OF THE CAGE" in order to 'motivate' to primarch to dive into - and massacre - the enemy ranks in a futile attempt at putting distance between himself and the incoming Iron Circle.
>>47357193
Lucius is a proper name.
Two guys named John isn't a problem, two guys named "John the Destroyer" is ridiculous.
>>47357294
They are robots after all.
And FW probably just used the same model for the photoshopped picture.
I'm sorry anon, that you had to find this out, but not every image you see on the internet is actually representing what was seen through a camera's lens. ;_;
>>47357126
>Ironically asking this question in 40k would get you killed harshly.
Why? Only the Emperor is above doubt
>>47357347
Just how many times have you seen Lucius as a name pop up?
>>47357267
I like how it can't be taken as given that the new army will be balanced against current ones, we can only assume that if forgeworld specifically says they're aiming for that.
>>47357376
Ending with "us", nah. But then there are a lot of Lucio's
>>47357382
What are you even talking about? I only mentioned balancing because that was the context in which FW was talking about Custodes.
>>47357460
Calm down son. It just amused me that FW would feel the need to mention they were doing balancing. Admittedly a bit tangential to your post, but going off onto semi-related topics is a thing people do.
>>47357065
Do we have any Blood Angels named characters at all yet??
>>47357267
Aren't there only like 300 custodes, or are they just the ones that guard the Throne?
There can't have been more than in any of the legions.
>>47357382
They have to make rules for something that doesn't have much of a battle record in the fluff. There was just that one time with the Orks that almost outnumbered them and beat three legions, and they were presented as being individually strong on a level around or maybe above a Praetor, but relatively few. They were fighting on top of a Gargant IIRC.
I'm getting Mr Plinkett vibes here:
"We've only seen them fight one or two at a time, and now we're gonna see them fighting together in large battles".
>>47357376
Lucius the Eternal of course, and I think there's a Lucius-pattern something or other.
>>47357267
>>47357579
"Well, at Warhammer Fest, the FW guys said that they fused the Sisters of Silence and Custodes lists into a "Talons of The Emperor" with the idea that they could expand this selection with more unique armies and stuff that were under the direct command of the Emperor/Malcador.
That said, the Custodes portion of this new "army" will be fieldable as a 100% pure thing with no outside elements from other Talons of the Emperor Units whereas the Sisters of Silence won't be able to because they have a much more specialized application."
>>47357646
Sounds fair, so long as they're fluffed as the Empra's dudes or Malcador's trump card, and not an army of their own.
These guys will be an interesting indication of what the Emperor will be like. I do expect him to be 10 across the board as people have memed, but a special rule will give a Traitor Horus the same stats and sick chaos special rules to make an uber duel between them.
>>47357624
Yeah, so Lucius the Eternal is still the same guy, and Lucius is a Forge World planet, not a guy.
>>47357297
>be Perturabo
>having a good time, directing troops, analyzing incoming tactical reports, being a strategic Primarch and shit
>battle is going well. massive enemy casualties inflicted by quick and efficient coordinating fire and masterfully calculated artillery barrages
>random vox channel has been flashing for a while
>who the hell is on that net?
>"This is Legion Command Actual, whatever station is on this net, identify yourself"
>"BEEP BOOP! =D"
>by the Warmaster, no. Fuck no.
>contemplate switching vox channels to link up with orbital assets to deliver a legendary ass chewing
>see a stormbird nose diving straight to your position
>WHAT THE FUCK THOSE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE
>bellow with rage at the mischievous and borderline outright treachery of low orbit void assets
>begin sprinting away from command bunker. other IV Legion warriors notice this and, because they have seen this many times before, all begin shouting to evac as they make way to the front lines
>Stormbird crashes into command bunker, it is absolutely a pile of wreckage and burning promethium fuel now
>wait, maybe they were destroyed in the crash...
>see an unholy machine rise from the flames
>begin a path of slaughter towards and into enemy lines to get away from the abomination of Mechanicum engineering and my own genius
>>47357782
>to the beat of the Terminator theme
BEEP BOOP BEEP BEEP BEEP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNXq5DUZnk
>>47357576
>Do we have any Blood Angels named characters at all yet??
Raldoron and Azkaellon are mandatory, probably Amit too.
I'm thinking DA will get Corswain as a DA Siggy. Don't know about Luther.
The WS will have a Stormseer, and probably the guy who initiated the whole Sagyar Mazyan thing.
>>47357579
The Emperor had 10 000 Custodes at least.
>>47357818
>BEEP BOOP BEEP BEEP BEEP
>not BOOP BOOP, BEEP BOOP BOOP BOOP
>>47357782
If one of Perturabo's Beep Boops doesn't have a Kyr-pattern Swearing Unit then he's doing it wrong.
>Beep MOTHERFUCKING PISS CUNT Boop
>>47346183
Fuck. I just got an armor boner.
>>47357867
Yes, I reread the wiki (inb4 someone says the wiki is utter fabrication), and they were more than just a handful. The Siege of Terra will be am amazing event, when it eventually come.
>>47357893
I don't get it.
Admittedly I am a pleb when it comes to music, but aren't there five notes in the "dun dun, dun dun dun" or whatever?
What's the point of using the word "remorseless" as a way to describe a couple of the legions (Iron Hands and Death Guard come to mind). Are the other legions remorseful or something? Cry their guilt away after every battle?
>>47357932
The 300 Custodes were his friends.
>>47357924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgVsD0Mn6yA
>>47357938
Raven Guard.
And I think it refers to a general emotional turmoil rather than just sadfeels.
>>47357818
>instead of the letters spelling Terminator
>it would spell THE IRON CIRCLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7XdMBznfyQ
>>47357932
Fret not, I remember it being from that battle where Horus, Mortarion and some other primarchs were losing against fucking giant orks with S9 plasma weapons or something, and Emps had to save the day with 10k Custodes, leading them in the Bucephalos.
The only lost 3 dudes, and Emps engraved their names in his armour.
What would be the cosiest/comfiest legion to be in?
Inb4 Death Guard.
I ask because I am currently at maximum cosy.
Pizza and TNG. Feelsgoodman.
Bask in my comfy aura.
>>47358098
Salamanders, Blood Angels, probably the White Scars and somehow the Alpha Legion. Maybe the Dangles too.
>>47358098
I'm just getting over a cold, so no way would I select Death Guard.
>>47358127
Agreed, especially with the Salamanders and White Scars. The latter are very chill about everything and laugh a lot, you just have to learn Chogorian first. Ultramarines can't be bad, can they?
EC: too much jealousy
IF, IW, IH, DG, RG: too serious
NL, WE: too crazy
SW: too cold (but not bad)
AL: I'd just be confused all the time (We're doing what? Whose side are we on, anyway? And where'd you come from? I just talked to you by long-distance call!)
>>47358098
Pre-primarch Word Bears, you get to burn people and worlds and books and shit and no one complains about it.
>>47356899
I believe someone said Lion was after Magnus.
>>47358261
Nah, the Ultras aren't that bad. They're pretty cozy.
>>47358098
Definitely the Alpha Legion. Riding out the end times trolling dudes from afar.
XX deuces, baby.
>>47358372
>I don't always participate in the Heresy
>But when I do, I troll everybody
>XX LEGION
>>47358372
An mystery wrapped in an enigma, shoved up the ass of a paradox.
>>47358261
>We're doing what? Whose side are we on, anyway? And where'd you come from? I just talked to you by long-distance call!
None of this matters, your direct superior told you to do one thing, be it 'Kill this guy' or 'Press this button at XX time' and thats all you have to do, the higher ups have this all figured out.
Does anybody here run a Questoris Knights detachment with their legion? I'm thinking of doing an HQ Crusader, Troops Warden, and Fast Attack Gallant Uhlan. Would like to hear some other opinions.
>>47358372
>>47358405
>>47358423
>>47358451
Utter confusion, both for you and the enemy!
>>47358486
>Alpharius Omegon
>Three guys in the pic
Alpha Lluminati confirmed.
>>47358547
>>47358470
They're good, but they do die more easily than you might expect.
>>47358470
>Fast Attack Gallant Uhlan
Surely a Dolorous would be better.
