Bring Out The Circumcision Chainaxe! Edition
Beserker Fulgrim Sub-Edition
In the last bread we started out talking about to avert the Heresy or to minimize the fallout and the quality of BL and FW, but that all went away when we started talking about circumcision and then which primarch was the worst fighter and Angron's armor, alternative primarch homeworlds were talked about leading to Fulgrim with Nails, compasses are cleared from heresy, Meduson's inbound and more in the old bread >>47301928
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word bearers a shit
>>47318368
1st for Pale Nomads!
>>47318440
yessssssss
>>47318472
I like to think the mold was in the way, or because screw mold.
What if Mortarion had landed on Nocturne and Vulkan on Barbarus?
>Mfw Morty can only be wounded by poison on a 6 AND his 2+/3++ armour makes him immune to plasma
>>47318512
His body odor becomes better.
>>47318542
The Cups are now lava instead of poison, though.
>>47318558
He gets the power of lava and horrible body odor? That's a little too much.
>>47318572
No, Vulkan is the one with AP2 stench. He's be either white Vulkan because Barbarus was always clouded, or necrotic-black Vulkan.
>>47318430
>>47318440
Both of you are terrible human beings
Anywho I was thinking about this the other day, anyone have a homebrew 40k space marine chapter that is organized like a legion? Obviously not numerically because you'd have to be one hell of a special snowflake to try to get away with that shit.
I just think it'd be interesting to see Space marine armies using the HH army list, but with more "modern" marks of equipment, and with color schemes outside the usual legions and shit. I thought about making a successor chapter of the Imperial Fists that longed for the good old days and kicked the heavy weapons guys out of their Tac squads and gave them some flags instead, they also found some dusty old suspensor webs held together with duct tape in their basement. but I got too many armies as is.
>>47318640
>AP2 stench
How many air fresheners would be needed to defend against that?
>>47318655
word bearer gay spotted
>>47318689
All of them.
I have a rather trivial question. Why did One Punch Lion Man decide to make his legion's colors black? I'm curious on just why the legions got their colors, and if there's a fluff reason for it.
>>47318769
The First Legion was black to begin with. Coincidentally, the Order of knights that the Lion ended up leading and taking over Caliban with also happened to wear black armour.
Aesthetically, the major changes that occurred after the reunion was the Dark Angels adopting the Order's tabards and some of their esoteric markings.
>>47318836
>The First Legion was black to begin with. Coincidentally, the Order of knights that the Lion ended up leading and taking over Caliban with also happened to wear black armour.
The Lion must have been happy to know he wouldn't have to waste time finding a new paint job.
>>47318769
I think a better question is why Angron turned the World Eaters from the grey metal/gold (?) to white and blue. Not exactly the most aggressive colors, or is it just to see bloodstains better?
>>47318948
>Not exactly the most aggressive colors,
Blue and white are calming colors but white is the color of death in some cultures.
>or is it just to see bloodstains better?
Somehow I bet that was the case.
>>47318948
The Warhounds wore blue/white before Angron had been found, they reverted the scheme after becoming the World Eaters. As to the origin of both schemes, Alan Bligh is probably the man to come up with the best explanation.
>>47319075
You said nothing. The question was "Why did Angron inverted the Warhound's color scheme?", especially considered that He didn't care about that nonsense.
>>47319129
Angron probably was lazy and wanted to do something quick.
>>47319129
>I think a better question is why Angron turned the World Eaters from the grey metal/gold (?) to white and blue
I said the Warhounds weren't gray by the time Angron was found.
>>47319234
But he added the gold part (which was actually bronze), so I assumed he thought the blue was grey. But yeah, I guess you're right. Still, that scheme was nice, and I don't know why he changed it (maybe he didn't like they resembled the Ultramarines not even a bit?). I shall paint my vidya marine that way, I have used the Dusk raider scheme long enough.
>>47318948
Blue and white is soothing like the sky, in a terrible attempt at not triggering the WE.
>>47319440
Someone talked about WE techmarines deliberately using bad feng shui on the inside of outgoing transports to induce a killing frenzy on the soon to disembark marines.
Hey guys, I'm just starting to get into the HH tabletop and I was reading the rulebooks. I'm doing World Eater, mainly because their color is fun to look at and I played Khorne back in 40k a few years back. But what kinds of armies can you do with World Eaters? It seems the best things are just throwing squads into spartans and land raider and driving across the board, very one dimensional really.
Anyone have ideas for alternate World Eater lists to help a newfag out?
>>47320094
Dreadclaws are fun for World Eaters too. Shove some Red Butchers in one, two if you're sassy, drop them right in position to fuck shit up. Meanwhile there's a spartan coming with a murder squad to clean up.
>>47320094
>very one dimensional really
Well... World Eaters. Flexibility and tactical creativity are not their strengths.
>>47320094
I'm sorry, you chose the dullest legion to play.
>>47320094
You can also use assault squads even if they are expensive, and using spartans if you have one is always a better idea then using a land raider
Also, since none of your shooty units get any benefit from your LA rules you could use armour, skimmers preds vindicators and the line for your fire support
>>47320094
>>47320151
>>47320206
>>47320228
>>47320240
All true, but horde World Eaters appeal to me the most.
>>47320094
Well if you want to not be a bitch there is the Loyalist World Eater way...
Get Motherfucking Endryd Haar, he makes 3 power armor units scouting and unpinnable. You will also be playing the manliest fucker in the entire HH.
Grab bike or jetbike squads and a full assault squad.
Take a Primaris Medica and throw him in the assault squad.
Your core is now an insanely fast, and resilient, close combat rape machine that becomes insane when it reaches the enemies side of the board(fun fact, that will be turn two).
Fill the rest of the list with 2 drop pods with troops, and two Leviathans in pods.
So turn one your opponent will have 2 Bike/Jetbike squads, a crazy assault squad, and 2 leviathans right in their face. Fuck them and their target priority you win that fight any day of the week if they didnt bring a titan.
>>47321033
>Well if you want to not be a bitch there is the Loyalist World Eater way...
>Loyalist World Eaters
>Not the biggest bitches
>Don't even get the option to take blood madness
>>47318769
I like to think EC's colours was to have a semblance of the roman praetorian guard. Fits them so well
>>47320678
The get that Super apothecary character, inductee up three full squads of tacticals, get some dreadclaws with butchers and run the red wake
Scoring is for pussies, claim victory over your opponents butchered bodies or not at all
>Mfw I have 20 bikes and 7 Dickbikes, 6 1st Legion Upgrade torsos, and a Mk4 Weapon kit at my doorstep right now
Speaking of which, can I make a CAD with a rite of war, and make another CAD that isn't an ally? I want to Ravenwing, but also want a Typhon.
>>47321402
>can I make a CAD with a rite of war, and make another CAD that isn't an ally?
No and theyre called Force Organization Charts, the CAD is the BRB FOC, you'll most likely be using the Age of Darkness of which you only get one unless you're playing Apocalypse at which point its literally unbound.
>>47318440
>>47318472
With last thread post about Luna Wolves and the Pale Nomads, I think this picture is fairly fitting for a shattered Legion army. Luna Wolves and Pale Nomads wrecking traitor face is best
>>47321598
It was Space Wolves not Moon Wolves.
![Astartes_Auspex_Type_18[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/cWw7cht.png "Astartes_Auspex_Type_18[1].png")
Do Auspexes exist in 30k?
Is it kosher to model a regular tactical marine holding one, or will people just confuse him for a Master of Signals?
>>47321627
>>47321668
It's Wolf Wolfs not Moon Moons
>>47321598
>>47321627
No it was Luna Wolves, I was the guy asking about it.
Also , I like that picture. Did not know that.
>>47321639
Yes, they exist.
>>47321681
I'm still not following? I'm simply pointing out how the Luna Wolves and Pale Nomads worked together early crusade and how cool it would be to have them come back as a shattered Legion army. The pic I posted is more in reference to how they acted with one another
>>47321719
It just the internet messing with you at this point. You're right.
>>47321668
>>47321681
>>47321699
>>47321719
My mistake. I thought he was talking about the time where Leman stepped in to stop a fight between Corvus and Big Daddy Pert.
>>47321853
>meant to refer to the time
Fixed.
>>47321853
That would be one hell of a clash in styles.
>I HAVE FORTIFIED THIS POSITION! TRY GETTING IN NOW!
>But I am already inside.
Anyway, did any primarch manage NOT get into a slappy fight with a brother prior to the heresy? Based Sang the man maybe?
>>47321960
Sanguinius is pretty much the only one I can think of. But I have a feeling that will change by the time we get the full FW write-up of the Blood Angels.
>>47318430
fuck right off
>>47321960
I don't remember Ferrus getting into a fight before the Heresy.
I am a new Sons player in desperate need of some topknots. However the only thing I can find are the White Scar helmets.
Even the 3rd party suppliers seem to lack them.
Anybody know of any good hair sources?
>>47321202
IIRC it is outright stated somewhere that the EC got their colours well before finding Fulgrim. They got their colours specifically because their understrength legion was often used as bodyguards for dignitaries.
>>47322073
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40K-Ork-Nobz-Top-Knot-Bits-4-Bits-/381639930254?hash=item58db83318e:g:6hwAAOSwf05XO3I0
>>47318440
>>47318472
Everyone likes to spam this in 30k and 40k generals but nobody likes to play them IRL :(
>>47321960
>But I am already inside.
Its funny because when Corax actually was involved with a siege with other primarchs involved his strategy was "I'll lure them out of their fortress and then you can attack." Yes Corax, soldiers are going to leave a well defended fortress to chase down super soldiers from a legion known for stealth and ambushing. Eventually Horus outright ordered him to just attack the fucking fortress. Seriously, Corax is tactical and shit but he has no flexibility.
>>47322094
>Ork Nobz
>>47322094
Much obliged anon.
>>47322078
>often used as bodyguards for dignitaries.
Neat, so praetorian guard isnt that far off.
Do you happen to know the source that says this ?
>>47322267
I think its book 1 of the HH series but I'm not sure. Mostly remember the battles like fighting the living crystals and some EC commander getting butthurt despite constant praise because people thought he needed reinforcements.
>>47322170
I think he might have wanted to try to flank or do some kind of infiltration while the others distracted the defenders.
No matter what his plan was, it was guaranteed to be better than "HEY, THROW YOUR STEALTH GUYS AT THE GATES AS IF THEY WERE FRONTLINE GUYS"
>>47322073
I use the Chaos Space Marines ones
>>47322142
I do
>>47322170
The Gate incident if I'm remembering it right. Ended up throwing his Terran marines at the s because they wanted Corax to follow Horus's lead while he kept that his legion was being misused.
>>47322542
With you, me, and that other guy, that makes three of us in total!
Huzzah!
>>47322447
Not really. You don't outflank a fort, you can't lure guys out of a fortress, and unless your opponent is retarded you aren't infiltrating into a fortress. The best Corax could have hoped for was infiltration assault (pretty much storm troopers during WW1) but since he has no flexibility he decided to just throw the guys he hated into the meat grinder.
There is a reason Perturabo was the go to siege guy instead of Corax or Alpharius. Siege work and trench warfare aren't subtle, there are numerous interesting approaches to overcoming defences but they are all still ultimately costly.
>>47322675
>you aren't infiltrating into a fortress
Even Snake can do it, why wouldn't Corax I-use-actual-magic-to-infiltrate and his similarly gifted sons be able to? It wouldn't be an isolated scenario: didn't Mortarion managed to sneak to the very throne room?
Or he could have had the Deliverers do a deep strike attack, instead of throwing them to the wall. In fact, given how the Raven's terran vets battled alongside the Luna wolves for so much time and pioneered the use of termie armour along them, that's what Corax should have done. He deliberately wanted them dead.
>Alpharius can't siege
Paramar was barely a victory due to Dynat blowing up things more than necessary.
>you can't lure guys out of a fortress
Sounds like memepharius and all, but on Fear to Tread the AL makes orks flee, suicidally so. Honest question, what the hell did he do to those orks?
>>47322938
>what the hell did he do to those orks?
He showed them the 7e Ork codex.
>>47322938
>Even Snake can do it, why wouldn't Corax I-use-actual-magic-to-infiltrate and his similarly gifted sons be able to? It wouldn't be an isolated scenario: didn't Mortarion managed to sneak to the very throne room?
So Corax is going to solo the entire fortress? Or can the entire Raven Guard legion also shadow walk or whatever?
At the end of the day people have to die on your side unless you want to wait days, weeks, months, or years to overwhelm a fortress. Even deepstriking isn't perfect, what if the enemy had massive amounts of anti-air? The same reason If breaking sieges was as easy as just being sneaky the battles of Stalingrad, Leningrad, Przemysl, and Verdun (Verdun and Stalingrad could be easily resupplied, Leningrad and Przemysl were completely encircled for long periods of time) would have been over much faster for the victor. The fact of the matter is that even in modern warfare defeating a well entrenched enemy is much harder than just sneaking up behind them.
>>47322993
He read to them the stats, compared them to other more better off codices, forced them to read, but not before explaining to them how the current edition is treating them. The Orks slowly had their life forces drained, and absorbed by Alpharius.
>>47322170
It's worked before. At the Hells Anvil, the Terran XIX did exactly that.
Fort defense isn't always just 'stay on the walls and let them knock'. Thats the last resort. There will be defenses before the walls that are composed of troops, field artillery, armoured elements, and the like. Most forts aren't just enemy-walls-juicy interrior.
Corax proposed he pull away what elements he could so that the other legions could knock the door down with less opposition rather than Horus's plan of 'send all your dudes that excel in special ops to choke the gun barrels rather than the other present legions who do that for a living'.
>>47322938
>Honest question, what the hell did he do to those orks?
He performed >squad broken on them.
>>47323112
>Corax thinks he's above the meat grinder
What a fag.
>>47323019
>Or can the entire Raven Guard legion also shadow walk or whatever?
Some.
'ave a giggle, m8
>Even deepstriking isn't perfect, what if the enemy had massive amounts of anti-air?
You know that teleportation makes you appear from thin air, right?
>The fact of the matter is that even in modern warfare defeating a well entrenched enemy is much harder than just sneaking up behind them.
Don't trie to make 30k make sense. Otherwise you'd realize that siege warfare became obsolete long ago due because the fort-building couldn't keep up with the improvements of weaponry and mobility, meaning forts as such could be either bypassed or demolished from long range, like with bombers and missiles.
"Fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man" - George S. Patton
This is the setting where teleporting men with axes are a menace, let's leave it at that.
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>>47323019
The elite squads from Corax's planet can also turn into shadows somehow.
>>47323019
The Mor Deythan can
>>47323019
Also, in modern warfare sieges are inexistent, and Leningrad was actually city-fighting. Both the Sigfried and Maginot lines, nice defensive line projects, became useless since the beginning of WW2.
>>47323162
It's because he's not tough enough for grinders
>>47323019
Corax goes in, and chills out waiting around till nightfall, when he goes up to a isolated section of wall, quietly murders everyone there, throws down some ropes, and has his legion climb up and start murdering the enemy in their beds.
>>47323212
Void shields help resist artillery though.
>>47323112
>Corax proposed he pull away what elements he could
>Yeah guys I'll dance around in front of the fortress for a few days and maybe get a couple guys to follow me and you can attack them
The enemy has literally zero reason to pursue Corax. If they are in a fortified position than they clearly realize that the open field is a bad place to be. Following Corax even if he feigns weakness is stupid.
>>47323169
>Some
Enough to overwhelm the fortress alone? Great I guess Horus can take his legion and leave he is clearly not needed there.
>You know that teleportation makes you appear from thin air, right?
Teleportation isn't used en masse. Regardless given Horus' love of teleporting right into the heart of the enemy there is probably a really good reason his core strategy wasn't just "teleport right into the middle of the city and start killing things."
>>47323212
>Also, in modern warfare sieges are inexistent, and Leningrad was actually city-fighting. Both the Sigfried and Maginot lines, nice defensive line projects, became useless since the beginning of WW2.
A city is a type of fortified position and the Maginot line was never breached, simply bypassed because the French never built it all the way to the channel due to politics between France and Belgium. Beyond that Kursk involved the Germans attacking a well entrenched Soviet position and suffering horrific losses for next to no gain. A fortress doesn't need to be a stone and concrete castle with high walls and bunkers. Any position that gives men sufficient cover is a fortress, Monte Cassino was a fortress, even after the allies bombarded it to hell the Germans still held it for four months.
>>47323219
>Corax is a bitch who can't fight in a meat grinder
What a pussy.
>>47320094
Bikes, everyone forgets bikers forgets
>>47318368
You guys ever create custom characters? In my group we each made a custom HQ (Everyone has to approve of the rules before you can play it). We decided to be a bit more loose than the HH character creation rules since we all play for fun
So far we have:
>An Iron Hands Contemptor Techmarine
>A SoH/LW Jump captain that's ALWAYS ANGRY
>A Dark Angels Jetbike Chaplain that goes extra fast
>And a Iron Warriors super Siege Breaker
>>47323483
Either overload the shields with massed ordnance or teleport inside. What happened on Gate 42? Sounds as if Corax sent his boys to bring the gate down by punching it repeatedly.
>>47323575
>Teleportation isn't used en masse. Regardless given Horus' love of teleporting right into the heart of the enemy there is probably a really good reason his core strategy wasn't just "teleport right into the middle of the city and start killing things."
That's actually Abaddon's and Horus' core strategy. In fact THAT'S HOW HORUS KILLS ULLANOR'S BOSS: by bypassing the front line with his Justaering using a teleport, which earns him the title of 'Warmaster'. And considering the terran vets were under Horus' wing more time than under Corax's, I imagined a teleport attack would have been more prudent (along with other elements, of course).
>A city is a type of fortified position
In a way, yes, protecting against small arms, not against cannons (but a voidshield fixes that). What makes cityfight dangerous is that the atackers are prone to ambushes, and that cities cannot be flattened anymore because weapons of mass destruction are banned and carpet bombing isn't a thing anymore (even then, Stalingrad's casualties weren't the result of a siege, but of the cityfight over the rubble that had been the city, after it was bombed to hell). Not even bunkers are safe anymore, since the invention of bunker-buster bombs.
>>47323575
>Teleportation isn't used en masse.
The Nicor is a Raven Guard ship. Just saying.
If you don't know what that implies or is referring to, then you should probably stop talking about RG shit and teleportation.
>>47323575
Its a common tactic to draw away defenders or make them shift position within the fortifications. Even if they don't pursue far, or just shift to other parts of the fort that means enemy elements out of position.
Examples of that happen within that very book
>Besieging Gate 42
WHY DON'T WE JUST RAM IT WITH A STARSHIP, PARDNER? A BOARDING ACTION!
I appreciate this is probably a very dumb question (I haven't played in forever and didn't play much even when I did), but can artillery fire on a given point rather than a target unit?
I'm thinking for two reasons - everyone's favourite dangerous terrain generator, phosphex, and for hitting close to a combat (that you're either losing or more able to weather the fire than the enemy) with the intention to scatter into it.
>>47324033
>not against cannons
Then how can you have cities that have been bombed to shit with artillery and guns, and still resist the enemy? Yes, a cannon can blow up a building's wall, but until you reduce the building to a pile lower than chest height, it's gonna provide cover. And cover is good as any. If the enemy can't see you, they can't effectively target you.
Take for example Pavlov's House:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlov%27s_House
Soviets defended it for two months against Germans with tanks.
>>47324033
>carpet bombing isn't a thing anymore
They carpet bombed the Taliban in Afghanistan. B52 and shit.
>>47324550
>but can artillery fire on a given point rather than a target unit?
That'd be cool I guess but no you cant, it has to be centered on a base or touching a model in case of models with no base.
>>47323575
The Maginot Line was extended behind Belgium after a diplomatic mess in the mid '30s, but that didn't leave much time. More importantly, Gamelin still thought the Ardennes would serve as an impenetrable fortress on their own, and groundwater in the whole area (next to the Low Countries, after all) made construction difficult. And France thought that fighting in Belgium would be acceptable; they didn't see it as a bad thing if the line forced the Germans to go through Belgium again. It's not like there was any way for them to get cut off or anything...
>>47323212
You're thinking of Stalingrad, not Leningrad. Hitler besieged the latter and just let it starve, because he didn't seem to actually need the city. Ugly in its own way. My great uncle was there on the German side, in the Spanish Blue Division. He said it sometimes got too cold for rifles to work and they'd just lob grenades at each other until closing to hand to hand. Fun times.
But void shields changes everything. 30k/40k really depends on defensive measures being better than ours are, otherwise there's no reason to get in up close.
>>47324638
>Take for example Pavlov's House
Where were the Stukas?Sounds like a job for teleporting 2+ save troops :^)
>>47324693
Yep, should have written Stalingrad, srry.
>>47324771
reminder
>>47324676
There's 1 thing that can, it's either Warlord Titan or the Tzeentch Daemon Lord. But that's it.
>>47324835
Space Marines do get recruited at that age...
>>47324867
Warlord Titan has World Burner. You place those templates down wherever you want them.
>>47325055
Indeed.
>>47324835
>1/10 would corpsegrind them
Sup /tg/
Ignoring Primarchs and their autistic shenanigans, whats your fave/least fave legion?
Do you prefer their pre or post heresy versions?
People tend to focus on the Primarchs, and while they are the embodiment of their Legions, they're still a small part of a larger whole.
>>47325127
Night Lords. The only non-retarded legion pre- and post-heresy.
>>47325164
>>47325127
Fav: Emperor's Childrenmid-heresy, i like watching the process of the mighty and proud brought low
Least fav: probably night lords or thousand sons.
>>47325287
>Least fav: probably night lords or thousand sons
>>47325068
Makes sense, who's going to tell a Warlord "no"?
Shame about the artillery thing though.
Also kind of surprised they made Sacrificial Offering Traitor-only, I could have sworn the Iron Hands did that from time to time
>>47325127
Most: Blood Angels. 2 Fast 2 Furious.
Least: Dark Angels. They're just another legion in black, with the ugliest paint scheme among them, without even a theme. The -wings don't help much - "all of the themes" is not a theme. They're one of the few to get more interesting post-heresy.
>>47325127
I like pre-Heresy Fists. After the Heresy they had their awesomeness sucked out like a bag of blood in Christopher Lee's hand. Favorite legions are Bangles and Dangles. Pre-Heresy Dangles didn't have the whole Fallen fiasco dragging them down, and you can guess why I like pre-Heresy BAs. Least favorite legions would have to be Word Bearers and Emperor's Children.
>>47324528
>Ram fortress with star ship
>attackis now both a boarding action AND a siege assault
SOMEONE GET ME THE PHONE I HAVE TO CALL DORN RIGHT NOW
>>47325577
Too late, son of the Praetorian!
>>47325577
What's all this ruckus about?
>>47324528
Did pre-heresy Death Guard specialise in the use chemical weapons?
Or were they just tough as fuck
>>47325965
Both
>>47325965
By Pre-Heresy, do you mean pre-Primarch or actually during the Crusade, before the Heresy? Some people seem to mix those meanings a lot. Because it's not like Mortarion said, "Ok, fuck the Imperium, everyone get some phosphex"
How do you guys paint your Imperial Knights? Would it be heresy if I painted mine like Imperial Fists because I want them to match my Imperial Fists?
>>47318512
This is actually a pretty fun thought exercise with any two primarchs and their home worlds
>>47326574
>using Knights
>in 30k
Have a look at this madman
>>47318512
>Switch Dorn and Pert
>Nothing changes.
>>47326597
Speaking of, is there any appreciable fluff difference between 40k knights and Questoris knights?
>>47326597
A Renegade Knights box set was cheaper than ordering a Typhon or other FW superheavy. I'm just a cheapass (read: poorfag) who wants to play 30k instead of 40k.
>>47326683
Except Pert becomes a stubborn German masochist and Dorn an asshole Greek decimator?
>>47322073
Anvil industries sells some, but chaos and ork ones are better.
I am looking for big ass plumes too, picture related.
Hard to find.
>>47327233
Ok, regular topknots I get, it's a hairdo. But topknots on top of your helmet? Where does the hair even come from?
>>47327319
Welcome to Warhams, this is probably the least retarded design choice you'll see here
>>47327319
>Where does the hair even come from?
they're usually called plumes and are typically made of horsehair
Seeing as horses are still in widespread use during 40k, chances are that's still what they're using for all the fancy decorations in 30k.
>>47326596
Was Konrad born insane or did he end up that way because Nostramo
If you switched him and Corax what happen
>>47327499
According to a DP he always had the taint of Chaos with him. It resulted in him being two men.
>>47327499
If you buy into the idea the primarchs' natures were pre-created, Corax would've tried to instigate an uprising against the corrupt cops and politicians ...that probably would've failed due to the (few) people he would get on his team being nasty fucks. While Curze, as soon as he was strong enough, would probably have just started killing guards, and may even have gotten himself killed.
>>47326574
It would be heretical to put Fists logos on them. Yellow? No problem. It can be a house with ties to the legion.
>>47327382
How can they be from horushair if he's bald?
>>47327540
>may even have gotten himself killed
Daily reminder that senpai survived the fight with Lion in which he received 11 wounds, each lethal to a regular Astartes. He'd fucking survive Deliverance.
>>47327592
Where do you think his hair went?
>>47327499
>>47327514
>According to a DP he always had the taint of Chaos with him. It resulted in him being two men.
Then swap Konrad with Alpharius
You get a pair of twins, one of whom is flayerly insane and abusive of the other one.
Meanwhile, Konrad is ???ing
>>47327592
>Where do you think his hair went?
Lo and behold, Horus gave up his own mane, tied into the mightiest top-knot ever, so that his children's hats could have their own top-knots. Truly, best dad
>>47326574
Any paint you want is fine
As long as those knights are walls with legs, that is.
>>47326851
>Meanwhile, Konrad is ???ing
Pretty much. What about Russ landing on Macragge?
>>47328395
He becomes Romulus
>>47318512
>Sanguinius lands on Barbarus
>Assuming he doesn't die, he becomes the Angel of Death, with the black wings, scythe and taste for blood.
Hard to be any more thematicMeanwhile, Morty lands on Baal: PURGE ALL MUTANTS
>>47326851
Then Perty doesn't join the traitors and the Iron Warriors recruit from Krieg. Sweet.
>>47325127
Rainbow Warriors all the way
>>47328475
>goth Sanguinius
This pleases the Curzefag
So when do you guys think the FW Horus Heresy books will end? I'm guessing that they'll do the Siege of Terra in multiple parts then do a sort of epilogue book that entails the whole of The Scouring
I just killed a scorpion in my room, it reminded me of Culln. The Red Scorpions are closet ECs, right?
>>47328671
Almost definitely.
>>47328638
The Scourging will be a seperate thing. BL will do the Siege in multiple parts, each a series in their own right. 30 novels from everyone's point of view, and all $50.
>>47328671
How did it get in their?
>>47328890
>How did it get in their?
'Straya, mate, you fuckin' cunt.
>>47328475
>becomes the Angel of Death, with the black wings, scythe and taste for blood.
https://youtu.be/6n6jN330vfU?t=23s
>>47328890
I'm on a third floor (or second plus base floor), so, I'd say: Determination
Not even getting interred in a Leviathan dread can help it now
>>47328961
Central Mexico, actually. Lil fuckers are so poisonous you'd think they're austratian, though.
>>47328638
It won't end
>Terra finally ends
>Books on the flight of the Traitors, Eye of Terror Slave Wars, etc.
>Scouring finally ends, books on the unification wars
>By 2048 they have book 7 of the Dark Age of Technology
>>47329011
forgive me for being an ignorant as fuck fat american, but does the currency exchange rate make 30k ludicrously expensive there or is it just the standard crazy expensive like everywhere else?
>>47329050
A britbong equals to 20+ taco-bucks, so I've not even cared to look up the prices. Not even narcos could afford that. I'm here because of the memes, the fluff and because everything on this setting is cranked up to 11^11
>>47321639
All 40k exists in 30k, 30k tech is even better
>>47329099
'cept for marines with AP2 grav guns and free Rhinos. And LRs with any useful transport capacity.
>>47329095
>Spoiler
No fun
>>47329095
That's a lot of taco-bucks. I live in California where everything is expensive as fuck and friends here still give me weird looks when I tell them how much I'm spending on plastic and resin toys.
>>47329050
Not if you buy from our Chinese and Russian friends
>>47329129
>Seizures (seizurains) at your own risk
>>47329134
Well how many ameriburgers have you spent on them?
>>47329011
It's spirit is now in a Leviathan dread. Probably.
>>47329159
I buy everything at a discount other than FW stuff, I've probably spent about 400 ameriburgers on my current mostly plastic Imperial Fists, but that number will grow rapidly if I want more Templar Brethren and a Sicaran tank. Ugh.
>>47329111
Yes, and for some bloody reason the Imperialis Militia list doesn't have much of the Imperial Guard list, namely anything that's not a basic Baneblade (fair, since a handful of designs came post-heresy), or a variant of the Leman Russ.
There's no option for vehicle-mounted artillery in those lists, only the fixed carriages FW makes that are like ~3 times as expensive as the basilisk arty tanks.
And the Chimera, Wyvern, Hellhound, Hydra, Manticore, etc. Not sure if the flyers are there, but I don't use those.
Then there's the AA/flier units in the Space Marine list, and I'm not sure if they're canonically post-heresy or just overlooked/not modern enough.
The Stalker and the Hunter, the Stormtalon, Stormraven, and of course, the Thunderfire Cannon (though the Rapiers are pretty much better).
>>47329099
Except for razorbacks, and lascannon predators, and land raider crusader/redeemer, and mk8 power armour, and purity seals painted red, and crux terminatus, and pretty much every kit released after the first HH rulebook, etc.
>>47329313
>Ugh
If that amount is a huge sum to you, simply slow down your rate of expenditure.
Why the fuck are you buying an entire army in less than 3 months anyway.
>>47329313
Eh, it's not that much money. If you end up needing to cut costs somewhere, how about making templars by getting (or making) laurels of victory and painting them black, with tabards?
>Ugh
:^) Dynamite
>>47329319
They do get Leman Russ varians (when I said LR I meant Land Raiders). But yeah, it's stupid how they lack regular artillery and how the "elite few" of SA can outnumber the IA in both men and tanks.
Can't argue about all those Rhino variants, maybe those are post heresy. But you can bring tons of AA dreads, so no worries (those AA Rhinos look weird anyway).
any crusade imperialis spoilers or changes we know of in their big red book?
>>47329522
>>47329841
It's not really a huge sum, I know that, I'm just bitching because I think Forgeworld tanks are expensive. Beautiful, absolutely beautiful, but expensive. I love the upgrade kits though.
Also I'm not buying a whole army in 3 months, I bought a Betrayal at Calth box when it came out, another one for Christmas, a few tanks here and there, and I just received the Imperial Knights Renegade kit in the mail. I've been collecting all the kits for the past six months and finally have the time to build them now. I'm extra set on doing 30k Fists instead of 40k Fists after that Death From the Skies supplement. Fuck that flyer formation phase.
>>47325127
Luna Wolves!
>>47329134
A fellow Californian played 30K?
From what region do you hail and what army do you play?
>>47330765
From San Jose, I started 40k again last summer and made a Grey Knights army, but the current state of the game has made me start transitioning to 30k with an Imperial Fists + Questoris Knights army. Not really in it to be competitive, I just want to lead a grand crusade with Sigismund and two Knight Gallants beating the shit outta people. You?
>>47330415
Seconding this. Anyone managed to pick-up or browse the book at WarhammerFest?
>>47321308
This guy gets it^
So, any idea what this thing is armed with? Looks like 2 havoc launchers, but I can't tell what that center cannon is.
>>47331354
Mechanicum Flyer most likely. Either that or just a loyalist Blight Drone.
For Questoris Knights, if I have two Gallants and a Crusader...what's the best setup? Crusader Seneschal, Gallant Martial, and Gallant Uhlan is my current idea. But a Crusader Arbalester also sounds pretty baller.
>>47331354
It kinda looks like it has the same "cowl" of a grav weapon, but the block ontop screams "arc weapon".
>>47319075
>Trusting Bligh to do anything competent
LMAO.
>>47322542
I am divided about the colour scheme, dark grey and black...right?
>>47323914
I like it!
I want an extra killy destroyer dude with a cool rad weapon that ks not a moritat and/or dual wielding pistols
>Lucifex are sexy though.
>>47325127
I really like Imperial Heralds and pre Monarchia WB and Lorgar.
The whole spurned adoration thing and intense believe make it rather sad.
EC from the same angle as good things going down the shitter.
Can't really do that much with WE and SW, they feel a bit lacking in comparison to the cool incarnations other legions have, like the dusk raiders.
Their post heresy form isnt better, but still okish.....I guess.
>>47323914
I want to hear about this super siege breaker.
>>47325164
Cause bat wings and muh terror tactics aren't retarded? Lel
>>47322073
Try high elf horse tails. Not even kidding
What are your "core" units when building a list? The special toys you think about before building the rest of your army?
I like the Deredeo with autocannons and missiles. It's such a versatile unit and it's extremely rare that there isn't something for it to be shooting it (flyers, tanks, 3+ infantry)
>>47333427
I am unsure about giving mine plasma or aurocannons.
After all, he struggles with av14+ and plasma deletes blobs and termies.
Regarding your question:
I allways want to use things that use the cool legion rules in a fluffy way and therefore special units are often a very good idea.
Best examples are troop-able special units like reavers or terror squads.
Both also have rites supporting them, so that makes choosing relatively easy.
>Troops have to be fun and both units mentioned go well with maxxed tac squads.
>>47333427
I really like the laser vindicator, the model is so nice looking I just can't turn it down.
>>47333427
CHOOM of any shape and size.
>>47332397
He's done a far better job than BL so far.
>>47318368
Say, did I understand correctly that Girlyman put guys he did not like in a red helmet3d company of shame?
>>47334088
It's not a separate company, like what the Iron Hands had. They remained with their normal units, it just meant they were being marked for censure. A milder form of the Night Lords' red gauntlets.
How would you guys go about creating a surreal planet? I sort of want to make one with an ocean that would make daemons ask if they're in the Warp or not.
>>47334120
Hmmm....how did censure look like?
Push ups?
>Red helmeted traitor UMs that did not want to do their reps.
>>47334156
Proof reading the Codex.
>>47334152
Gas giant-ish with fluid methane seas and/or other gasses/fluids with some rocky islands and sea life from the murky depths to airy heights as the difference between the aggregate states is fluid in every sense of the word.
Deep sea diverish colonies, gas harvesting spires and mountains as islands in the gas sea.
>Sadly visibility would be shit.
>>47334152
Have it so the atmosphere scatters light so that everything looks a really unnatural colour
Frequent super storms that rain something like Ammonia or sulphuric acid could be another way of making it a weird place to be
>>47334175
Terra, no!
>>47334190
>>47334195
Thanks, Anons. Surrealism might not be my forte but I'll give it a whirl. Psychic sharks screaming out one message to all non-shark life is going to be a thing.
>their message https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zrB2_zqJQJU
>>47334200
Rowboat isn't about spanking his children.
>>47334261
Blimp sharks in the gas clouds ghat can deflate or inflate by heating/cooling of or expulsing gasses inside to change from gaseous to liquid environment.
Think about it.
>>47321402
No typhon with ravenwing.
Just use a stormbird.
>>47321699
Maybe ravens know wolves scare away the things that would eat them... and won't chow down on them as well
>>47334304
That's genius, Anon. I think the people for this planet would have some pretty strange dreams from all of this.
>>47332518
Any variation of those two. Be sure to add Polynesian tat's.
There's also the Ashen Claws, another terran predation fleet, that are dark grey and have blood red shoulders.
Ok so I just got my forge world order in the mail, I bought some Iron Hands heads, but I got Thousand Sons heads instead, but the package says Iron Hands.
What the fuck, has something similare happend to anyone else?
>>47334775
Just call them up and they'll send the correct heads in no time. FW customer service is GOAT. In the meantime, free Thousand Sons heads!
>>47334775
Looks like you're starting Thousand Sons.
>>47334687
Thing is, hells anvil mentions the ashen claws chapter inflitrating and taking out the overseers.
Pale Nomads confirmed.
>plenty of fluff within the novels say that the primarchs were flawed and human men in the guise of demigods
>despite being men, none of them fell in love and took lovers and wives
Why is GW afraid of romance?
>>47334873
Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing, sooner than war. Who needs laydees when there's fighting to be done?
>>47334833
Pale Nomads and Ashen Claws are two different chapters(HH3). Both Terran XIX and almost identical in MO, but different nonetheless.
Book 6 has pictures of the Ashen Claws
>>47334782
>>47334827
Can't call them since I'm in Northern Europe and it will cost a fortune, but I will send them a mail.
Yeah, looks like I'm doing a TS tac squad!
>>47322073
The best ones by far are the ones you get with the Warriors of Chaos box set. But you'll never find anyone selling them separately.
>>47332366
Cool, mini flying stems.
>>47334873
Some older lore hinted at Papa Sang being married to normal human woman, but I have yet to find it.
>>47334970
I wanted to say that a chapter of the then Pale Nomads called XIX that fought with Hous and the LW at Hells Anvil was named Ashen Claws.
Its in Extermination, first exemplary Battle of the RG.
>>47322142
I built one Deathwatch one (far left), and I'll be going back and making more normal ones once I get myself some mk5 armour.
>>47323914
>1st Legion Praetor who fights with a power lance, counts as AP2 on the charge
>>47335196
Still think that shield's too obviously nurgle.
>>47335328
dw i fixed it today. i got a brass button that is rounded, like a greek shield, thats the perfect size.
i have a horrible fear the paint might flake off it though.
Khan bringing the feels.
I haven't finished it yet, but Path to Heaven is getting right up there as one of my favourite HH books to date.
>>47323914
I have the fastest swordsman in the Galaxy
>Emperor's Children Champion
>Master Crafted Charnabal Sabre
>+1 Initiative
>+1 initiative for himself and his unit on charge
>Base initiative 6, 8 on the charge (EC LA rules plus warlord trait), initiative 10 on the charge in a challenge (charnabal sabre plus EC LA rules)
*Teleports behind you*
"Nothing personnel kid"
*Stabs you in the back*
*Gets raped to death by opponent because he just has a shitty rending sword*
>>47335595
Poor Khan.
Why did he not love Big E?
Anhron and Mortarion did not like him for obvious reasons,but why Khan?
>>47335808
He felt ignored and forgotten.
And the Khan was a big fan of the Librarian system. He wrote a lot of the rules for it together with Sangiunius, figuring it would restrain the Astartes’ use of psykers without wasting their potential. Unlike Magnus, he knew that the warp was dangerous and psykers shouldn’t be given free reign. Magnus, Sanginius, and Horus were his friends (Magnus most of all) so you can imagine he wasn’t happy about Prospero.
>>47334988
A few years ago I had an issue with FW and faxing them was the best way. Didn't want to make an international call with a 9 hour time difference (I'm in the US) and they weren't responsive with emails at the time.
Using a fax machine is a little weird these days, but it worked.
>>47335976
Initiate the Faxstorm.
>>47335808
They had a big disagreement over the Imperial Truth and the Emperor's secrecy
>>47335808
Saw him as a tyrant, Big E tried to buddy up with him but said it was difficult with how distant the Khan is.
>>47336064
Khan also has a thing about emperors who sit behind walls and say "this is enough, nothing can harm me now".
>>47335943
>>47336051
>>47336064
Thanks,makes sense.
The novels make the White Scars out to be a pretty stereotypical blend of Mongol and other Asian tropes (poor English/Gothic, a bit of Taoism, some samurai-like arts and crafts stuff) but they were also pretty enjoyable. They definitely make it a more interesting legion. A lot of the books have that effect. I haven't read many, though - are there any legions that you didn't care for after reading their HH novels?
The psyker angle is neat, and adds something to the WS besides bikes, bikes, and more bikes.
>>47336508
Sure, there's a lot of bikes, but they're just a means to an end.
>>47335808
Did not like how the Imperial Truth was based on a lie. Eventually comes to realize that the Emperor hated it was well, but the destruction of the Web way project doomed the alternative forever.
>>47336594
Yeah, the books don't go overboard with it.
I was almost hoping they'd troll us by having the White Scars permanently mounted, having conversations around the campfire while sitting on their bikes, riding onto the bridge of their ships and hooking them into their consoles, eating at tables designed for marines sitting on bikes...
>>47335090
You're a little confused. Pale Nomads and Ashen Claws are separate chapters of the XIX.
>>47336645
Ashen Claws was, but Pale Nomads was the legion's old nickname.
>>47330829
Sacramento. Been a Nid player since 2008. I picked up Black Templars for a while but the state of the game also made me drop it. I have about 3000 points of Luna Wolves
>>47336661
>>47336645
Correct. I would say most people have been using the term Pale Nomads to represent those Raven Guard who would become the Carcharodons. Even though that's not exactly accurate.
>>47336508
>The psyker angle is neat, and adds something to the WS besides bikes, bikes, and more bikes.
Haven't been Stormseers there since the beginning of time? They even apear on those Warzone rulebooks.
>>47336640
>mfw their starships aren't mounted on giant space bikes
>>47332863
He's a terminator equipped siege breaker that paid to have a fist and back mounted missile launcher that shoots frag, Krak, and Phosphex. His cc attacks have tank hunters, armorbane, and wrecker. He costs a small fortune
>>47336811
They have, but when 75% of your player base gets their lore from the rules section of their respective codex, the information that gets passed down is crap like,
>"All WS are on bikes all of the time!"
>"All BA used assault cannons all of the time!"
>"Every IW uses nothing but Medusas!"
>"Every single squad of every single legion had volkites!"
>>47336863
>>"All BA used assault cannons all of the time!"
I have you know that we just tape the megadakka together with the Volkite and the melee weapons.
>>47336811
I guess I didn't know anything about the WS besides the most common stereotypes until reading Scars.
>>47336661
Exactly, thats what I meant.
>>47336645
No worries.
Pale Nomads or Dust Clad were some of their unofficial cognomina.
>>47336843
So, he's got a chainfist and phosphex Cyclone launcher. Noice.
Are you the phosphex anon who wants phoxphex Typhons?
>>47336863
>>"All BA used assault cannons all of the time!"
Where's the lie, though?
>>"Every IW uses nothing but Artillery!"
Fixed. Reductors go a step beyond and use artillery as main line tanks, which surely inspired Commissar Dan in the long distant future.
>>47336902
Warzone Damocles, and the shitstains that are Kauyon and Mont'ka
>>47336921
Anything Tau related is a shitstain. It's always through large amounts of plot armor and making their enemies seem like retards 100% of the time that the Tau survive at all. But speaking of that,how long do you think the Tau would last if their empire was around back in 30k?
Does a Laser Destroyer Array (on Vindicators) have 36" or 48" range? I tried googling but the results are confusing.
Please shit on my up and coming Templar Imperial Fists with Knight allies list. Maybe I've been sniffing too much glue while building the models this week, but I'm really excited about this
1995/2000 pts
Imperial Fists:
HQ
Sigismund, no RoW, 230pts
Troops
10 x Legion Tactical Squad, Extra CCWs, Vexilla, Sergeant with Artificer Armor and Power Fist, 240 pts
10 x Legion Tactical Squad, Extra CCWs, Vexilla, Sergeant with Artificer Armor and Power Fist, 240 pts
5 x Templar Brethren, 5 Combat Shields, Champion with Solarite Power Gauntlet, Land Raider Phobos, 460 pts
Heavy Support
Vindicator, Power of the Machine Spirit, Dozer Blade, 150 pts
Questoris Knights Detachment:
HQ
Lord Scion, Knight Gallant, 350 pts
Troops
Martial, Knight Gallant, 325 pts
>>47337572
>It's always through large amounts of plot armor and making their enemies seem like retards 100% of the time that the Tau survive at all.
Honestly, it's even worse. The Tau fluff seems more and more written by a fedora tipper intent on showing how his pet progressive multicultural alien faction is superior to the ignorant regressive human empire at every turn the more recent the fluff you read is.
Also, they need more Kroot time. Because Kroot time is the best time.
>>47336921
>Are you the phosphex anon
No, and that's not my character, but I'm sure that player would agree.
Mine is the Luna Wolves captain with jump pack, paragon lightning claws, rage, and rampage.
>>47337572
That's some dangerous talk there, Anon. Phosphex alone won't be enough to kill this thread once it's ruined.
>>47336661
>>47336776
Pale Nomads are a chapter too. It's sometime used by outsiders to refernce the whole legion, along side Dust Clad. But the Pale Nomads are a chapter themselves, separate to the Ashen Claws.
>>47336776
It's the most likely origin. Identical tactics(including disregard for civilians), Sable Brand, same 'Nomad Predation Fleets' background only ever mentioned when referencing them(hey also share keywords like "Outer Darkness", a plant by FW writers to reference each other), similar paint scheme with polynesian tattoos, same pale skin and black eyes, RG gene markers(which you cant get anywhere else). It's almost a slam dunk.
Really the only difference is the shark teeth and the religious views.
Now they obviously changed a bit in the huge span, probably mixed geneseeds to keep repopulating, like what the Ashen Claws did when they raided UM and NL for stuff.
>>47337600
Email forgeworld twice, from two different email addresses. If you get the same answer twice, it's probably that.
Think this might pass well for a veteran Thousand Son's CCW?
>>47338624
Alternatively, or for variety, I was also looking at these
>His Primarch isn't WS 8+
How do you guys even cope?
>>47338771
Psychic powers
