Correct OP image editon
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
First for unbalanced Orks
Anyone got the fullsize version with genestealer cultist?
"Tourney" list for my FLGS
--- Dark Eldar - 1850pts ---
-- Realspace Raiders --
>HQ
Succubus; Archite Glaive, Armour of Misery - 110
>Troops
10x Warriors; Splinter Cannon - 95
10x Warriors; Splinter Cannon - 95
>Elite
4x Incubi; Klaivex - 90
>Fast Attack
Razorwing Jet; 2x Dark Lance, Splinter Cannon - 150
Razorwing Jet; 2x Dark Lance, Splinter Cannon - 150
5x Scourges; 4x Blaster - 140
5x Razorwing Flock - 100
>Dedicated Transports
Raider; Dark Lance, Night Shields, Splinter Rack - 90
Raider; Dark Lance, Night Shields, Splinter Rack - 90
Venom; Splinter Cannon - 65
>Formation Corpsethief Claw
5x Talos - 5x Haywire, 3x Chain Flails 685, 2x Ichor Injectors
--1850/1850pts
>>47352725
Why?
>>47352735
So he can start the next thread with it I would imagine.
>>47352813
>>47352735
Naw, I was doing an alternate one to satisfy my autism.
>>47352813
Because that's what we need. Going back to the fights over the OP image instead of just sticking with the agreed upon one
>>47352839
>>47352813
>>47352835
Remove chickin.
>>47352835
What do you mean? Satisfy it how?
The genestealer one is already in the agreed upon OP image
>>47352494
>>47352473
>>47352456
>>47352438
See:
>>47350507
>>47350605
FAQ rulings are in effect now. You're always free to houserule or cheat, though.
>>47352851
I did say alternate one.
I can't satisfy my autism if i have to cupsale an inferior resolution sample.
It's just a silly edit but i had to get it done to get it of my mental checklist.
What's the most fun point limit?
>>47352888
1500.
>>47352850
Fuck off.
At this point it's clear you're just trying to start shit.
>>47352884
Well ok then.
>>47352888
I find 2k to be the most fun typically. Large enough to give a solid game with some list diversity on both sides, but not quite apocalypse and still a teensy bit restricting.
>>47351724
Where are the new FAQs?
>>47352882
How did they fuck up the Dark Eldar this time?
>>47352882
Except they aren't in effect, hence why it specifically states it's just the "first draft".
Hell, there are currently discrepancies between the image version of. The FAQ and the text version, where one says yes to a question and the other says no.
If they are truly "in effect" like you say then which one is the right one? The image or text?
>>47352884
This is acceptable, though we might wanna remove the guardsmen that don't match and use the template to add one back in
>>47352929
Passengers fire Snap Shots after Jinking or moving more than 6", even in Fast vehicles.
I have two models I want to make to represent promotions for their battlefield deeds
>Sniper Scout that killed Fateweaver in Overwatch
>Scout Sarge that KO'd Pedro in CC
What would be a good model/decoration for those? I was thinking a Devastator with some sort of special marking for the former, and a new power fist Captain for the latter
>>47352927
facebook page Warhammer 40,000
>>47352813
REMOVE THE FUCKING MEME CHICKEN. JESUS CHRIST I HATE THAT BASTARD.
>>47352888
I'd say 1000 personally, though 1500 offers a bit more variety.
Smaller games tend to be faster as well, which is a plus
>>47352952
Oh dear
>>47352942
First draft just means the verbiage is subject to change, not the ruling. If the text and image of the same draft are different, that's clearly a typo and you should wait for a definitive answer. Which question is it, anyway? Is it from the image where the answers got all scrambled?
1500 are great. 2000 take too long
>>47352959
A Lascannon heavy weapon user might fit well for the former. Maybe give him a small feather or something.
Captain might be a bit too much of a leap from scout. An assault seargeant would fit better.
>>47352686
Made a weird list. How well would this actually work?
Farsight Enclaves 1500/1500
Dawn Blade
Core: Retaliation Cadre
>Commander
Multi-spectrum, Puretide, Iridium, Talisman of AM, Drone Controller, VRT
>Broadsides
3 missilesides w/ SMS, 3 missile drones.
>Riptide
HBC, Stim, SMS
>3x1 Crisis suits
Dual burst cannons
Auxiliary: Ranged Support Cadre
>3x1 Broadsides
Railsides w/ SMS, 2 with velocity tracker 1 with Counterfire
>Pathfinders
2x4 pathfinders
1 unit of 1 pathfinder, 1 Shas'ui, 1 ion rifle, 2 rail rifle, in a devilfish with point defence
Officio Assassinating Detachment
>Elites
Culexus Assassin
>>47353003
Off the top of my head the Flyers questions has a discrepancy.
And what makes you so confident the rulings won't change at all?
>>47352888
1250-1850.
Anywhere in there is fun for varying reasons.
Daemons of Khorne. Add- remove stuff from this to make it good. I'm a noob.
10 cultists
10 Chaos Space Marines
3 Bikes
5 Raptors
12 Khorne Berzerkers
cheers
>>47353048
Did you remember to buy the knife to every tau model, except the commander?
>>47353051
>what makes you so confident the rulings won't change at all?
For starters, they specifically said the comment period was to gather feedback on the clarity of the rulings, not their content.
>>47352884
Loving the kroot.
>>47352967
Boo fucking hoo.
Go bitch about it somewhere else.
The agreed upon OP image has images with the chicken and without. If you can't be satisfied with that like everyone else is, then you're clearly some spoiled little brat what can't even begin to comprehend the idea that you don't get everything you want and may have to compromise, and instead resort to shitposting, essentially the internet version of holding your breath, screaming and throwing a huge fit.
>>47353081
If i had artistic talent I'd do one in-style, it irks me a bit.
>>47353080
Oh, I'm not saying that people bitching will change it, just that it's not outside of the realm of possibilities that they look over the rulings again and decide that something else is the better thing to do.
>>47353086
>I want you to be on fire
>You don't want to be on fire
>We'll compromise and just light you a little on fire, don't be a child
>>47353031
2000 can take a lot less time if everyone doesn't need to look up the rulebook every five minutes.
Why isn't Warmachine fun?
I want to get off GWs wild ride.
>>47353080
well some of them are even in the faq so poorly worded that it could change the effect by being properly formulated
>>47353045
Scout Sergeants are the same rank as every other sarge, I thought
Maybe a Veteran Assault sarge? A new Vanguard Vet?
>>47353073
Yes
>>47353111
>having a chicken in part of the OP image is comparable to being set on fire
>>47353125
well small scale high customization is what many tired of 40k wants.
sadly warmahordes is small scale, less choice, no customization.
>>47353125
Because warmachine is a wargame that's called a skirmish game but it's really just a combo game.
There's nothing to do but prepare and activate your combo. That and get hard countered.
>>47353125
>wanting to get off the ride just as based kevin rountree is making it fun again
Why?
>>47353163
Wait it wasn't fun before?
Then why were you playing it?
>>47353163
>just as based kevin rountree is making it fun again
I sure love paying for 10 grenades when I can only use one, seeing a superheavy on the table every time I play, and paying $35 for a codex that contains 5 units and no special equipment
>>47353191
>$35 for a codex that contains 5 units and no special equipment
Which one is that?
>reading thousand sons
>start to dislike the space wolves
Fuck russ
>>47353191
>>seeing a superheavy on the table every time I play
>7th edition rules, something made before Rountree became CEO, is his fault
>>47353215
That was a good book.Psychic Warlords when?
>>47353209
He must be referring to Imperial Knights and tempestus scions
>>47353215
Indeed. Can't wait for Prospero book.
TS best legion
>>47353191
>buying codexes
>>47353191
>clarification of a rule that already existed but was exploited means that the new CEO is trying to ruin the game
>>47353215
Most factions novels manage that.
>>47353240
Temp Scion has their special taurox and rapid fire hot-shot gun.
Knighs have.. well knights and knightly stuff.
>>47353250
>>47353250
>Can't wait for Prospero book.
theres going to be a new book?
>>47353292
Horus Heresy book
>>47352888
1000, but with the option of physically hurting your opponent if he brings something cheesy.
>>47353262
>Ruin the game
It just means that it's going to be years until the game's in a state where it's going to be fun for me to play anymore.
Yeah, things are getting better, at least in comparison, but it's still not in a GOOD place. Superheavies are everywhere and half of the factions are just not fun to play against other factions.
I'll keep an eye on 40k, but I'd rather my dollerydoos go to a game that makes me happy and I actually look forward to playing instead of a clusterfuck of dice and bad game balance. Maybe in 8th when they've had a chance to give all of the factions a round of updates.
>>47352850
>>47352967
It took people all of 10 posts to realize I had removed chikin from the OP when I used this one. Just let it be, you are being petty.
>>47353086
Chickin is not 40K.
It does not belong on OP image
pls remove.
>>47353283
>Temp Scion has their special taurox and rapid fire hot-shot gun.
But aren't they already in the IG codex? I'm at work and haven't access to my codices.
>>47353125
Warmachine is a game for tourneyfags by tourneyfags.
>>47353369
Why does this matter to you so much? Is it worth ruining threads?
>>47353397
Remove chikin
>>47353397
What else do they have time for without a work or social life.
Guys, let's just use the image with the Kroot and move on.
>>47353403
Seconded.
And we're back to arguing about the image.
>>47353382
No, they get a unique one.
>>47353443
chikin lover is unreasonable. We ask what does chikin have to do with 40k. Please remove.
he then gets mad at us.
>>47353443
>>47353422
>>47353417
>>47353397
>TFW you don't care because you made most of them.
Personally i prefer the clean boring one, but the dyslexic and phonefags couldn't tell it's apart from the Roleplay general.
>>47353125
It's skirmish scale, the fluff is dull, and the models are ugly.
It's not fun for the same reason you play 40k instead of just chess.
>>47352888
1750 - nearing the size of 2k, without some of the bloat
You retards have chased away most of the legit posters. Im gone for a week, come back and see you're still arguing about trivial bullshit. You losers deserve each other. This thread isnt worth checking anymore.
>>47353512
kthxbai
>>47353512
Good, go away
Take chikin with you
>>47353532
And thanks for the all the chikins.
So hey, if I'm footslogging 60 Boyz and 60 Gretchin, how long do you think they'll last against most armies? Assuming those armies are non-tournament tier lists, casual only.
That'll be the core of my army, so I'm wondering how fast I'll probably lose.
>>47353546
how many points.
>>47352963
Not sure if you are the right person, but I digress.
It does not say anywhere on the FAQ (which BTW is long), that you lose objective secured if an independent character joins your unit. Where did you get this from?
>>47353557
2000
>>47352952
That´s not new, that´s how the rules have always been. FAQ are not new or changed rules, Fast Skimmers can fire 2 weapons after moving 12", but nowhere does it say embarked models can fire at full balistic skill after the vehicle has moved 12".
Give Orks one option available to another army (transport, wargear, upgrade) that balances them.
What is it?
>>47352884
Good luck getting it adopted by phoneposters who only like to start new threads.
>>47353566
Well seeing as it's not even 500 points.
Pretty fast.
>>47353561
Uh? never said anything of tha, I guess you're quoting the wrong person.
>>47353512
Dunno man, sometimes this place is likeable. I just avoid the latter hours, when Tau haters swarm this place. Last general was pretty nice.
>>47353589
I said core. That's not the whole army.
>>47353588
Fuck them, i could turn it down to a 300x300.tif and they wouldn't be able to tell.
Never played Imperial Guard before and I'm going to do it soon.
Is the vanilla Leman Russ a good option or should I go for a more especialized one?
Veterans or infantry platoons?
Basilisks, yes or no?
>>47353586
Mork-erlights (or possibly Gork-erlights)
>>47352945
There is only one guardsmen, then there is a renegade and a genestealer.
>>47353614
Regular Russ is for generalist work and shoudl be in squadrons, if you know what you need, take a specialist.
Vets vs. infantry is down to taste (and wallet)
Basilisks are like vanilla Russ, take them in batteries if you don't know what else to take, otherwise grab a specialist "variant"
>>47353611
>and they wouldn't be able to tell
That's what I mean.
I'm not saying that they'll resist the new image, I'm saying that they don't read the threads, and don't notice subtle changes in the image.
They'll be posting the older ones because they haven't updated their cellphone albums. The most resent tiled version is radically different and noticeable. Proof Kroot is a little subtle.
You're not trying to overcome stubbornness, you're trying to overcome ignorance. That's why I wished you good luck.
>>47353546
When I played orks I used 90 boyz and didn't have access to pain boyz, so use painboys.
>>47353614
We can't give you good advice if you don't tell us what you want your army to be like? Massed troops? Tanks? Mix? Artillery? Elite infantry? What? What do you want?
>>47353614
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Imperial_Guard(7E)
>>47352888
1000-2000. In my old LGS we mostly played 2k but we'd shrink the lists to anything between those numbers. 1500 in my opinion
>>47353070
Well you have no daemons so you may want to adjust that. Bloodletters and a herald of khorne are a good start. Are you trying to play Khorne Daemonkin? In that case you should look into getting a chaos lord and some possessed and you would be able to take a slaughtercult with few additions.
>>47353669
Alright.
>>47353770
If anything it would be a mix, I like the classic idea of tanks followed by waves of troops. I also considered the idea of a more static army but I'm not sure if it could work, I'll probably have to play against drop pod lists, between others.
>>47353614
my experience from playing guard for 5+ years
>Russes
Exterminators with las/plas are great all rounders in my experience that tend to be underestimated. Vanilla russes are bad. every other one is so-so. take as you see fit.
>Basilisks
the only artillery worth taking right now is the Wyvern. take in 2s and blast the shit out of any infantry it they can see.
>vets vs platoons
depends how you want to run. generally vets are taken for mechanized lists and platoons for hybrids/foot sloggers. If you take platoons get the 50blob conscripts and throw in a priest or Commissar. great at tying up units or sitting their fatasses on an objective.
>>47352888
Personally been playing a lot of 2000-3000 lately.
I feel like under 2000pts leads to many Net Lists but 2000+ feels like a real war.
Usually I expect a full day if I know I will have a game of 40k and don't plan on doing things after most of the time so I would rather fill that with a really big cinematic battle than 2 smaller skirmishes.
>>47353917
Waves of troops means no transports, so you want infantry, a some leman russes and maybe some devil dogs.
Infantry shoot the little stuff
Lemans can take out tanks and shoot monsters
Might want a single source of AA, not sure about your local meta
Devildogs are backup anti-tank and will try to melt stuff with speed
Consider using vanquisher cannons on the lemans, it's your best anti-tank option. Add the lascannon to them as well.
So how bad did the "new" faq hit DE and Nids
A friend needs to know
>>47354253
>DE
Very badly. Using transports as platforms for shooting is basically pointless now.
>Nids
Not too bad overall, though MCs can't get cover from gaunts standing in front of them now.
>>47353614
>vanilla Russ any good?
I like it a lot, but consider that you can easily magnetize most of the guns available that come on the kit - Vanquisher, exterminator, battle tank and anhilator on the LRBT kit, the rest on the Demolisher.
I don't particularly like the especialized tonks, I think guard is a lot more about having as many tools to do whatever it takes as possible, not specific tools for certain roles.
>veterans or platoons?
I like using both at the same time, conscripts are great and mechanized squads with multiple melta/plasma too
>basilisks, yes or no?
I don't really like them, but everything can work if you like it
For instance, my favourite artillery is the manticore -- I use it to mostly hurt bigass vehicles like knights and land raiders, with S10 AP4 it's very easy to pen and hurt them bit by bit
>>47352884
Fix Tau face please. Otherwise looks good.
>>47354273
I just looked up the wording
Yeah fuck that, DE are already a low tier army in the first place - we're houseruling that.
At least Nids weren't hurt too badly
Kinda wish i had the money for a Corsair army - they're the real DE now
>>47354317
Just run your Dark Eldar models as corsairs
>>47353579
This is correct. Embarked passengers should always snapshoot after more than 6"
>>47354317
>Kinda wish i had the money for a Corsair army - they're the real DE now
Exactly what a friend of mine is doing now.
>>47354356
Yeah i could do i suppose.
We'll wait n see how this rumoured streamlined edition affects the game end of this year.
>>47354377
He's lucky - still DE have such style though, if only we had the same level of crunch to go with the fluff
>Playing against Tau running Riptide Wing
>Hailfires and takes chunks out of my Mek Gunz and Tankbustas
>Amazingly manage to slam into them with multiple MANz missiles with a Lucky Stikk Mega-Boss
>Multi-assault in an attempt to tie all of them up
>Win CC by 1
>Leadership tests
>10, 10, 11
>Sweep with I4 Boss
>Hear him mutter "Orks are such bullshit" under his breath
bruh
What do you want from me here.
>>47353070
Get rid of the raptors and trade em up for either another squad of cultist or blood letters
May wanna add a rhino to either squad so they are foot slogging across the battlefield
Also what's your HQ?
>>47354484
Some people just have no awareness at all. Even in these threads we still get people who refuse to accept well known facts about army balance.
>>47354484
>>Hear him mutter "Orks are such bullshit" under his breath
I understand that Taufags are a breed to strange to understand, but who'd say that when they have a top tier army with a low tier army against them? As for the rest of it Gork and Mork threw you a bone.
>>47354484
>Taufags
>being sore losers
What else is new homie
>>47353586
Change Eavy armour to 4+ and make it 3 points
>>47354484
Let's hope he learns something from such defeat. I've lost to DE and Tyranids as Tau and didn't cry after.
>>47354596
Would argue it's just WAAC fags
You didn't hear about tau being sore losers before das riptide
>>47354655
This is true
But most are Ridtidefags now too
>>47352727
> incubi are shit
> raiders are now shit with warriors that cant shoot straight after jinking
>razorwings flocks are shit
> succubus is shit
This is a friendly list at best ... prepare your anus
>>47354484
MANZ have slow and purposeful, they're not allowed to sweep.
>>47354686
Out of the 3 Tau players I know, 2 own Riptides, and even they both have just one each.
I'm not too surprised that Tau players would want a large centerpiece model like that. The real trouble starts when they don't realize how good it is or start bringing multiples.
I hope to never see a full Riptide army. If I do, I hope they at least mix it up with weapons and forgeworld variants. Nothing more boring than 5 Iontides all with Stims staring you down.
>>47354745
I like how people always say it's okay because they have "just one" Riptide.
"Just SOME cheese." "Just ONE squad of Centurions." "Just ONE Battle Company". "Just ONE murder-rape homicide."
If your defense for your bullshit is "one Riptide is easy to take care of", you're just enabling bullshit power creep and cheese. Doesn't matter if it's to a lesser degree than Riptide spam or Eldar, you're still advocating it. Certain armies actually CAN'T handle even a single Riptide unless they start cheesing out their collection and allying.
I want to make a roman style IG regiment but i have no idea other than take some tacticool masked heads ala jinroh, stick them to a cadian and then add a broom to the squad's sergeant helmet.
Any suggestion on what i could do?
>>47354739
Ah shit you're right!
I completely forgot.
Woo Orks.
Gotta remember to mention that to him next time we see each other.Might piss him off even more though but who knows.
>>47353486
I hear you.
I made a large portion of the ones you didn't, including the current agreed upon OP. Even now, when the OP includes every image that someone could want, so that no matter what the image you want is in the OP, people still bitch.
At this point I think it's probably one or two guys just looking for a reason to shitpost
>>47354745
There's a reasonable different if you look at the army. Some tau players just have 1-2, some of those may not even own many battlesuits. These are people that play the tau army.
Then you have the fags with 3+ riptides, with airbrushed models and lists that make you want to strangle him with his codex. This are the WAAC tourney fags who probably copied a list off the internet. They play a list, not an army.
>>47354777
Like how you're just one faggot
It's not like there's a billion of them shitting up wargaming these days
I bet you'd throw a fit if I used my heavy bolter centurions. They actually work pretty well for the points cost.
>>47354803
>>47354739
>Orkplayers in charge of knowing the rules
Screw this I am not giving you the benefit of the doubt, you cheated!
>>47354777
Chaos player here, I don't see a problem with 0-1 riptide restriction.
A formation bonus for taking three? For a piece of gear that is limited in lore. Tau players plz.
>>47354777
At over 1000 points? A single Riptide isn't really that big of a deal, no. Its still a really strong unit, no doubt, but you're looking at maybe 50 extra points of value from where it should be.
Obviously lower level armies are going to struggle, but the Tau player can always not bring the Riptide. Owning one isn't the same as using it in every game ever.
>>47353477
>we
>implying
It's just you. Literally nobody else cares anymore, indeed groups from both sides were using the new OP in order to try and end the shitposting.
And then you come along and fuck it all up.
And don't pretend like it's not just you spamming it over and over. Seriously, if you want to make yourself out to actually be a large group of people, don't use telltale giveaways like always spelling "chicken" wrong.
>>47354868
I could see a formation bonus for 3 Riptides.
In Apocalypse, where you might actually see multiple super special prototype giant robots.
>>47354868
Tau player here. My biggest wish is for Riptides to be limited to 0-1 and for all the bigger suits to get scrapped.
>>47354900
>It's just you.
Nope.
pls remove paranoid chikins
>>47354790
Go buy some Roman miniatures and stick their heads on your troops. Now add capes to each of them and some Roman standards to each squad and you should be good to go.
>>47354935
Do you really feel the need to lie? We get it, you don't like the chicken.
Frankly I don't give a damn, but at this point I just don't want to see your shitposting rewarded.
>>47354790
Phalanx Ogryns
>>47354953
>not liking chickin = shitposting samefagging
you chickin lover is funny.
>>47353890
>>47354497
I have an aspiring champion but apparently that's not HQ?
How would the following be
10 cultists
10 bloodletters
10 CSM
3 bikes
12 Berserkers
1 Rhino
>>47354931
Not far enough guy, they should be apoc formations only
>>47355032
It is actually that you have a poor grasp of spelling and grammar, and use the same poor spelling and grammar in all of your posts. You may want to vary your idiom friend.
>>47355032
You seriously think what you're doing isn't shitposting?
I guarantee that the majority of people here, no matter what they think about the chicken, do not appreciate your spamming and shiting up the thread.
If you don't like the chicken, then make the general yourself, don't bitch about it. You don't win anyone over to your side and moreover, you risk driving people away.
In short, shut the fuck up. You're the only one who really gives a shit anymore, the rest of just want to talk about 40k, not the OP image. If you hate it so much, make the thread yourself.
And don't bother replying, I'm done giving you (You)s. At this point it's been explained very clearly why what you're doing is bad, if you contiue, all it shows is your just here for replies
>>47355041
Aspiring champions are your squad commanders for tactical marines
How many points is this?
You haven't got any anti vehicle stuff
I would drop 4 berserkers so it's 8 of em
Get some kind of heavy support like a defiler or forgefiend
>>47354868
Was limited. Now it isn't.
>>47354273
>though MCs can't get cover from gaunts standing in front of them now.
I love it how "theoretically" they always get a 5+ from gants in front of them, but the opponent can just shoot over them to negate that. So the player shooting them can basically decide between cover and no cover
>>47355175
Yep. Its a very dumb change that makes no sense and winds up having screening units be pointless.
I think they wrote it for knight-sized models and forgot it would also apply to smaller ones.
>>47355130
Neutral party here. From where I am standing it's the guys that want the chicken that is throwing a tantrum and clogging the threads with walls of text over one line posts at the start of the thread. When things quieted down and the thread progressed to the normal Tau bitching one of you guys decided to start this all over again.
>>47355158
I can also use photoshop
I want to ally in some grey knights to my guard army but they're so expensive, how's this?
-Grand master 219
Twin blades(master crafted) and psycannon
-Grey Knights librarian 145
warding stave(master crafted), level 3
-Grey Knight terminators 218 points
twin blades and melta bomb on the justicar, 2 helberds, 1 psycannon and 2 hammers.
582 points on a single allied detachment of my 1500 point army. librarian rolls on the new librarius powers for veil of time, might of heroes or null zone. Grand master rolls on fulmination for fists of lightning and electrodisplacement.
Codex Change Proposal: change DakkaStorm to re-rolling 1/2 of the misses. More complex & snow-flakey than simple TL, but not as busted.
>>47355257
Most people aren't advocating for the chicken, they're just telling the one guys to shut the hell up.
Not because of his position, but because we just recently made an OP image everyone could agree to, and all agreed to stop fighting over it, and then this guy decides to bring it up again.
>>47354854
Fair enough.
I gotta remember that every Ork unit has a downside in comparison to it's counterpart in other armies more I suppose.He was keeping his Riptide Wing way back in his deployment zone to use them as artillery so they probably would have ran off the board anyway since don't Jet units fall back 4d6?
He'll probably be picking up a Stormsurge later on to take up that duty with so that'll be fun to deal with.
>>47355327
>I gotta remember that every Ork unit has a downside in comparison to it's counterpart in other armies more I suppose.
How were you not aware of that going in?
How have you missed all the bitching, though it it is justified, about how shit orks are right now?
>>47355291
It'd be easier to just make it re-roll 1s or something instead of half the misses. Half the misses seems fiddly and confusing.
>>47355149
>How many points is this?
I'm aiming for the lowest amount of points for a fun game for now since I still haven't even played a game.
If I dropped 4 zerkers and got a Forgefiend would I be close to 1000?
>>47355327
All of this is all forgiven if you didn't write your post in an inflammatory way intended to raise vitriolic hatred at Tau players. Look at this thread. Look what you have done. Half of it is anti-Tau player ranting by guys too dumb to see your mistake.
You are a rabble rouser and a racist. Shame on you.
>>47355327
3d6, so you're probably right that they would have fled off the board regardless.
>>47355392
Well you still have 250 points to fuck around with and you still need a HQ and nothing has any upgrades so you can still do a lot more
Do you have any kind of smart phone? Because battle scribe (or just a pen and some paper) will be your best friend
Ok anons, what are the 3 worst armies atm, and how would you fix them?
>>47354845
>Like how you're just one faggot
>Some tau players just have 1-2
>2 Riptides
>"Just 2"
Just another faggot, like you eh?
How's this look
I asked this in the wrong topic,and people that play w3000 told me it may not be possible. But maybe they are wrong. Can someone tell me if it is possible to somehow limit the number of formations used. At least the skyhammer marine one, and the host eldar one. Or if there is a good way to counter any of those two.
>>47355476
If I take chaos lord as HQ how could I round out my army?
>>47355523
Bottom three are
Orks
Dark eldar
And either nids or CSM
As for how to fix them, orks need a complete rework. Lower point costs, make some of the units better (like removing >I2), more options all around, a non shit decurion, basically everything.
Dark eldar are far too fragil and the recent jink clarification basically removed the only thing that helped them get around that. To fix themm they need to become a bit harder to kill, perhaps giving them a special rule that basically undoes the FAQ for them alone, or something like that.
CSM need points cuts, improvements to units, legion tactics, etc. essentialy a whole new codex. But barring a complete rework them would be to just release daemonkin books for each gods would serve as a suitable patchwork.
Not sure how to fix nids.
>>47355672
>what are houserules
>>47355710
Something you can't just force on everyone?
>>47355348
It's no excuse but I hadn't touched my MANz in forever.
Now I remember why.
>>47355400
Yeah my bad.
I just got excited at the prospect that I might've managed something hilariously lucky and got annoyed by the Tau guy who kicks my Orks teeth in every time getting kind of pissy about it.Tangentially related but this is the same guy that brought three Broadside suits and a Riptide to my first 1000 point game with Orks when I had like a couple copies of the old AoBR set and a Deff Dredd and Battlewagon. Also told me that Trukks were OP to my face.
But it turns out that I was just cheating and so what the fuck do I know right?
>>47355710
Sorry am new and english is not even even my second language, but what are house rules? Because they sure are not the thing my dictionary says
>>47353579
Did it say anywhere that embarked models had to fire snap shots?
>>47354715
FAQ isn't official yet so jinking with full BS is still allowed for now.
>>47355360
Does it? Seems like you'd just fish out 5s & 6s, pick up half the remainder & re-toss them. Easier than Master-crafted BS on Badrukk's GW formation.
>>47355832
Houserules are alterations made to 40k by a group of players.
Essentialy, a gaming group decides that they think they should all follow a new rule that isn't in any offical GW material for the current edtion, or they make up a new rule, or decided to ignore a rule.
Does that some what help explain it?
As for limiting formations, because we don't know your army it's hard to tell you how to counter them, so unless you tell us what you play, the best advice I can give is don't play with WAAC faggots, get a good group of friends who aren't a-holes, and play at lower point levels if you think your opponent is a dick.
Also, if you don't mine me asking, what is your native language? I'm guessing it's not from the indo-european family, as I would doubt any one of them is so differnt from English that the concept of houserules being indicated by the word "houserules" is completely foreign
>>47355882
Nope, check the rulebook. This is a straight up rule change not an FAQ. We're Dark Eldar jinking shenanigans really that upsetting that they had to gut the entire army?
>>47355964
I doubt it.
For it to be a real problem, there would have to be a large enough group of DE players to cause a lor of other people to complain
![thunderer_seige_tank[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rEuMjLO.jpg "thunderer_seige_tank[1].jpg")
So how good is the Thunderer?
>>47355704
Csm could work with:
1. points reduction.
2. assault transports
3. Non-forced challenges.
If your going to go for the "they are all for themselves" narrative for the moral at least stay consistent. What BBEG doesn't let his minions do all the dirty work.
>tfw Karz
Is any of the four assassins worth using?
>>47355700
If this is you>>47355638
You need way more range
Drop the possessed, don't upgrade the blood letters (only use em for capturing points) you need some range, get a squad of marines give them a melta and the champion a melta grenade
The chaos Lord give him terminator armour and some claws throw him in the rhino with the berserkers and they will wreck anything they come against
>>47353125
ecause cool models and lore are what prop 40k up and 40k did it first, despite what tourneyfags believe. A good hobby or game needs to be interesting and fun visually before rules and it needs to come along and do some thing new before other games. It's why chess is more popular than go. It's why league is more popular than Dota 2. It's why starcraft 2 beat other rts games. All are easier to get into and are more fun visually, while coming along first in their areas or genres. Warmachine failed at this.
So how do I make guard work in HoR Killteam?
I can easily make any other faction work and have a blast playing the game....but my precious guard seem to fail at this gametype.
Vets can only take one special weapon and nothing more. They die to a stiff breeze. Am I to just constantly hide them, move forward, and hope my lasguns can get a wound?
The best I could figure to do is mass infantry with conscripts and orders for lasgun spam, but even that is...dull.
gretchin hyper unicycles anyone?
>>47355962
Am slavic, Polish to be exact. House rules here, mean rules how to act in a house. how to clean, not offende the house owners etc.
I play IG. I have 3 chimeras. 3 wyverns. 60 guardsman and 3 command sections.
What my opponents play is a formation that is in reservs, comes down turn one, and then my tanks get blown up by heavy weapon marines and the troops get assaulted by jump marine. my eldar friends, plays a lot of very fast moving multi shot infantry, which I don't remember the name of, and small 3 man vehicle units, which always outrange me. I can't shot the vehicles because they shot and drive away, and the infantry has some crazy rule that lets them leave the range of my weapons. I had games with versus eldar player where he lost no models and l lost my whole army. Vs the marine player, I do a bit better, I kill some models before he tables me. They don't even play objectives when they play against me, just got for turn 3-4 wipe out.
why eldar and necron can't get over the differences that opposed them in the war in heaven to kick Chaos ass ?
>>47356010
It's a 140 Demolisher cannon that can move more than 6" if it needs to.
It also keeps it's deceptively thick Russ armour but only has the one gun so weapon destroyed results are it's bane.
It could be a lot worse.
>>47355700
So something along the line of this
At 750 there will probably only be a drednaught or rhino but without a melta of some kind it will just cause you aggro
>>47355798
No, fuck this >>47355400 guy.
Not being able to make a sweeping advance wouldn't have fucking saved that Tau player, it only sped up the inevitable.
>>47356105
Vet Spam with Plasma or Melta is very useful.
Catachans are probably the best regiment concerning bang for buck.
Other fun stuff includes Stormies being mildly more useful and making an Ogryn beatstick(s) by buffing them with a Priest and Medic.
Also don't bother with standard Infantry squads or Conscripts if you're planning on a long campaign.
The longer a campaign runs the more important the emphasis on how elite your troops are as you start hitting the model cap.
>find space marine veteran figure from when I was a teenager
>paint him up and he looks pretty good
>look up how much it would cost to get him a few buddies, not to play with just as fun to paint
What the fuck guys.
When did it become £30 for like 5 guys?
>>47356027
>points reductions
>assault transports
>no more forced challenges
none of that shit will fix the absolute fuckfest thats called CSM
Is only 17 models a functional army at 1000 pts?
Ravenwing Strike Force
Librarian - bike, mastery 2, eye of having preferred enemy
Ravenwing command squad - champion, apothecary, ravenwing banner bearer, black Knight with grenade launcher
Darkshroud
3x land speeders with heavy bolters and typhoon missile launchers
3x Ravenwing bikers with combi melta, Melta gun, meltabombs, attack bike with multi melta
3x Ravenwing bikers with combi melta, Melta gun, meltabombs, attack bike with multi melta
I'm working on some escalation style lists to play with my swolf bro and starting my 1000 base army to expand from there. Thoughts?
>>47356227
>Cheating is okay
>>47356245
With minimum wage going up inflation is always bound to happen, it's a hobby and GeeDubs need to make money to pay off workers stores and everything elseplus being the biggest tabletop game with barely any competition means you can charge what you want
>>47355798
Most of the time my manz chew up any infantry to bits, so I can barely remember SaP myself.
It's ok to forget a few rules now and again, like how I blew up a ghost arc with a bomb squig.
>>47356148
Well from the Eldar point of view, they were engineered as a warrior race to destroy the Necrontyr and C'tan. A racial hatred embedded in their DNA. They more likely to side with Chaos to defeat the Necrons.
>>47355997
I know Necron were also taking advantage of the shooting after jinking rule with Ghost Arcs. Why change the ruling now after its already been a few years?
Is there a comprehensive list of the strength and weaknesses of all the 40k armies? I was looking on 1d4chan but couldn't one.
Whats the difference between a Broodlord and Patriarch?
>>47356417
Not that I know of, what are you looking for?
>>47356459
>what are you looking for?
> a comprehensive list of the strength and weaknesses of all the 40k armies
come on dude that wasnt hard
>>47354397
I'm a new DE player and I'm going through the codex.
Why the fuck hasn't GW made some sort of "ESCAPE FROM COMMORRAGH" or "COMMORRAGH KABALITE GANG WARS" type box set/minigame. It might as well be fucking Shadowrun 40k style.
>>47356480
Mate, I mean do you want it for any army in particular?
Need advice on starting 40k?
Is it for a friend?
>>47356552
it simple , if you are not a marine fan you're gonna get fucked by GW because apparently they forgot all the races exept the fucking Imperium
>>47353048
Nobody?
>>47356571
I'm a GK player. They only like vanilla marines.
>>47356571
>throwing the rest of the imperium with teh posterboys
fuck off anon
>>47356571
What is Gorkmorka for $300?
>>47356459
>>47356562
I've been a 40k fan for years but barely know anything about the actual tabletop. I was wondering how the individual armies work and sort of get an idea for the general play styles. I guess now that you mention it, I would get into 40k, if I knew where to start.
>>47356595
BA reporting in i feel the same
>>47356595
>>47356599
come on the Imperium have way more fluff , novel
miniatures and special boardgames than the other races
>>47356298
How many bikers are in the command squad and are the 3 Landspeeders in the Support Squadron with the Dark Shroud?
>>47356552
There was a Dark Eldar themed gladiator pit fight night minigame printed in an old White Dwarf I think if that helps.
I have no idea which issue it was but maybe it was around during the massive Dark Eldar plastic overhaul.
>>47356601
a dead boardgame
>>47354613
Isn't it already a 4+?
>>47356298
Most cheeselists will destroy you.
I think you can fit x3 Riptides in a list, 2 with FnP.
They'll melt your guys either with ID or with pure numbers of shots.
Even mass Fire Warriors and Turrets will do well.
>>47356571
>marine fan
>fucked by GW
So, Eldar and Tau don't exist? Since when are they fucking Marines? Imperial Guard are Marines as well?
>>47356702
they don't get much attention compared to Spaces Marines
>>47356655
>he doesn't know
Everybody point and laugh.
>>47356641
yeah because 90% of the whole setting is in the imperium
being incompetent enemy nr 185364 for other factions to waltz in their fluff over isn't exactly giving them extra attention
>>47356719
>>47356736
oh yeah well give me the last Eldar miniatures released this year
>>47356662
Oh shit so it is
Ok so make it a bit cheaper 4 points is a bit expensive especially for a horde army, a squad of Boyz with Eavy armour is 100points how am I supposed to make my green tide work with that
Also orks need more melee choices
>>47356724
well if only they were making a spin-off based on the War in Heaven it would be super cool for the guy who loves Eldar and 'Cron but no we have horus Heresy instead wich is Marine vs Marine , how original
>>47356751
Done. I await the goal post moving.
>>47356610
Except Eldar whose theme is being better than other lists, most armies are designed along a playstyle theme.
Necrons: Tough, slow moving, short ranged guns. The best units are actually fast (Wraiths and Destroyers) because Maelstrom has made the game entirely about fast units.
Imperial Guard: The second most flexible army after Eldar, but much weaker. Can be run as giant blobs of infantry, accurate veterans in armored transports with tanks backing them, massive waves of fliers, and artillery spam.
Space Marines: Comes in a number of pointless codi, basically they are either played with a bunch of free tanks or as a drop pod codex. Short range fire power is the name of the game.
Tau: The shooty army. Can make themselves hyper accurate, long range missiles everywhere, can be played as a wall of shooting infantry or as gundams. The latter is currently the stronger form.
Chaos Space Marines: Terrible. Don't do this.
Khorne Daemonkin: A better form of CSM, you get flying daemons, fleshhounds, and biker spam. Because of Maelstrom the emphasis is on fast units, which you have three types of.
Chaos Daemons: This can be good in two ways right now. Summoning to make an ever larger army, or playing Nurgle Daemons for fast moving troops that can't phase out.
Orks: Wait for a different edition. Balancing them relative to other armies effectively requires halving their points cost, and they are already dirt cheap on points.
Dark Eldar: They are a dead faction now.
Corsairs: The replacement for Dark Eldar, fast units with specialized weapons trying to alpha strike the opponent.
Craft World Eldar: Broken in every way. The four best units in the game are all in their codex, and they have no bad units.
Sisters of Battle: Actually good, but cost a fortune in cash to play. Basically female Space Marines at this point.
>>47356786
huh , mybad
>>47356751huehuehuehuehuehue
>>47356793
>and they are already dirt cheap on points.
Can always be cheaper.
>>47356690
>Agreeing to a 1000pt game with even 1 Riptide
How's this for a 1,000 point list? I've bought the Astra Militarum Start Collecting box so far, I want to know if this is a good list or not before I get anything else.
>>47356847
>You may add up to 20 additional Boys for..................................................-20 pts
>mfw infinite Ork horde armies
>FLGs implode into black hole singularities
>>47356865
pretty good
>>47356783
we weren't talking about forgeworld though
and like half of the imperial factions don't even exist in 30k it's still space marine fanservice ,
>>47356865
>>47356875
Woops! I forgot to post the list.
Battle-Forged IG CAD
-HQ
-Commissar, 25
-Heavy Support
-3x Leman Russ Exterminator, 130 (390)
+Camo Netting, 15 (45)
+Hull Lascannon, 10 (30)
+Multimelta Sponsons, 20 (60)
Total, 160 (480) points.
-Heavy Support
-3x Hydra Flak Tanks, 70 (210)
+Camo Netting, 15 (45)
Total, 85 (255)
-Troops
-3xVeteran Squad, 60 (180)
+3x Forward Sentries Doctrine, 10 (30)
+Autocannon HWT, 10 (30)
Total, 145 (240)
Complete Total, 1,000 points.
>>47356802
It's a neat mini desu. I'd like to use it as a Corsair Pysker. Or Shadowseer.
>>47356883
>Filling out heavy support before doing troops
You. I like you.
>>47356911
mek gunz intensifies
>>47356883
commisar can not be your mandatory HQ choice
make it a lord commisar
also lose a flak tank or two, that's really overkill for 1000 points (unless your local meta is flying circus) jesus and grab 1 wyvren
>>47356847
True, but it punishes Ork wallets even more. They would be better off just giving Orks I4 on the charge and making them BS3 base, Gitfinda going up to 4. Who really wants 600+ Boyz on the field?
>>47356883
I like how it's exactly 1,000 points.
>>47352888
2K+
Accept no substitutes.
>>47357005
>tfw I was really into "horde orks" back in 5th
>now I just hate having to carry/pick up more models
>>47356911
Thanks(?), I just wrote it up that way because I have a love for the tanks and wanted to be able to fit them in and then fill out the rest of the army.
>>47356940
Really? I read it in the Codex and interpreted it as meaning that you could take them as an optional addition to PCS and CCS, meaning that they could still be used as HQs?
Also, isn't the Wyvern better than the Hydra?
Though, if I got rid of one of the Hydras I could make him a Lord Commissar instead.
>>47352888
probably 1750. too bad no one plays it that often.
>>47356793
Cool, thanks. 1 quick follow up question:
>Chaos Space Marines: Terrible. Don't do this.
What makes them so bad? Weren't they super strong at one point?
Alright then I'll wait for a different edition and scout out some cheap Ork models for now. Or play this Gorkamorka game, I can't get enough of these green gorillas.
>>47357071
At least you painted them while you were keen on hordes.
>>47355175
Jesus Christ, are you faggots stupid?
If, from the POV of the shooting models, the target is obscured by intervening models then the target gets a save. There is no choosing anything for the shooter.
If, from the POV of the shooting models, the target is not obscured by the intervening unit due to units being at different elevations then the target does not get a cover save.
How would you prefer it to work?
>>47357131
Chaos had broken helldrakes at one point when everyone was running long fangs/bikers
Now it's superheavy spam
You can make chaos work, it's just harder. Thankfully the new formations in the BL and CS supplements help, but it's an uphill climb.
I suggest you simply pick what you want to play, then don't play against WAAC faggots. The game is about having fun.
>>47357131
They are a slow melee faction in a fast shooting game. CSM have one good troop, the Noise Marines, and Nurgle Bikers are the best unit in the codex, both of which are expensive. It is possible to win as CSM if you run a list with no eye to fluff at all and cherry pick the best units from each group (Slaneesh Daemonprinces, Khorne Bloodthirsters, Noise Marines, Nurgle Bikers, Renegade Knights).
>>47352888
750, 1000, 1250, 1500
1850 and 2000 are the most popular but they're way too large and easy to cheese.
>>47357215
Still don't see the point of 1850 now there's no limit on CADs, given it was brought in as an alternative to the 1999+1 nonsense.
