A place to discuss civs, ways to play, tips, stories and such.
Question: What was your first civ you played?
Please vote in Cyclops Anon's poll! Please and thank you
http://strawpoll.me/7241764
Previous thread: >>>46372690
>>46396019
Voted other. Still waiting for that molerat game.
>>46380154
What is your favorite monstergirl?
So far we got
>Sheep, Cat, Kitsune, Lamia, Mermaid, Harpy, and Centaurs, Alraune, Slime, Spider, Bipedal Scorpiongirls, Machines, Wolfgirls, Succubi, Squidgirls, Beegirls, Antgirls, Vampires and Cyclops/Monoeyes.
>>46397511
You keep asking that.
And no one ever answers.
Why?
So I know it's not really a civ, but what happened to that evo quest?
>>46397589
But they do.
>>46397620
It died.
>>46397291
What is this?
>>46397676
Dont.
Stop.
Just ignore it and it'll fade away
>>46397664
My heart has broken.
>>46397735
90 percent of civs die.
If a civ chart is used then there is a 100 percent chance it will die
>>46397676
It is an alternative chart to jar the stale civilization questing scene out of its rut.
Are map-makers like
>>46394402
civ quests too?
>>46398328
If you run then yes.
![crystal_girl_by_chelaazambuja_d78ymvl_by_harunanami-d90wclz[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/vFWLrQV.png "crystal_girl_by_chelaazambuja_d78ymvl_by_harunanami-d90wclz[1].png")
>>46396019
Oh, you posted my strawpoll like I asked!
Thank you so much!
Also looks like Crystallids are in the lead- Thank you to everyone who's voted so far.
>>46399550
Sweet
>>46399550
Dang. Was hoping the cute bee girls would win. :(
>>46399550
>http://strawpoll.me/7241764
Looks like the Undead are starting to win over the Crystallids
Sheepgirl civ will come tomorrow/late 2nite, was planning on today but I don't want to deal with the April Fools layout.
>>46400438
That's why I'm not running my own civquest today
>>46400070
>>46400147
Whatever choice wins I will do my best to make it as interesting and as fun as possible.
I have a vague plan/set up for each choice available, so don't get stressed if you think I have a bias or one will be better than the other.
Also holy shit over 40 votes.
>>46400936
I voted for both Undead and Crystallids just cause I'm prejudiced in running undead myself and would like to see your take on them and you convinced me already about the Crystallids
>>46396019
Did snow run the kobold civ?
>>46401425
Nah, I couldn't tonight, and I don't thin the April fools naming would have helped either
>>46402062
Does it override Tripcodes?
>>46402083
Unfortunately, yes.
>>46402083
Don't know, and I can't test as I'm on mobile
>Trip codes don't work on mobile, do they
>>46402098
Good thing I decided not to run today then
Bamp
>>46396019
Is there any chance about adding dragons as a playable race? I'm all about adding new races. Also how about aliens?
>>46406300
>Dragons
One guy tried it, not sure if he ever ran again. Would be neat, though it'd be a challenge to run, dragons being all individualistic and all that.
>Ayys
What kind, Little Green Men or Elder Things? Also, in space or on a planet?
>>46406300
of course there's a chance. You just have to do it.
>>46406389
Is there a Photoshop file of the race chart? I wouldn't mind giving a shot a making a new race for y'all. if your interested that is. Also, I like the idea of making a new race chart for alien life forms; again, if people are interested.
>>46406453
No photoshop files I think, you're gonna have to make it yourself, like sheep anon up there
I really want to run a game like this, but with my in-person RPG group
The problems are, I don't know what system to use, and I don't know if I can keep the macro part of running the civ going without having too many scenes with just their individual characters and interactions, and I don't have much experience with games of a civ scale.
Also, how well does the civ scale game translate to an in-person group, as opposed to threads and play-by-posts where it is otherwise always found?
>>46406545
Got any ideas for a space-themed/alien race chart? I like the idea of using different planets are your starting location, like: Desert, gas giant, volcanic, etc.
>>46406823
Maybe choices of different technology (magitech, biotech, realistic tech, etc) or choices of different types of governments. A space yeti republic is gonna be very different from a space yeti absolute monarchy after all
>>46396019
I'm interested in running a Guerilla warfare/Bandit Civ/Quest game.
I think it'd be fun to deal with recruiting named people at a bar, I'm also interested in the tactical bits too. Any advice/ideas/suggestions?
>>46407034
That sounds more like either a skirmish quest, or a normal quest. The whole point of a civ is civilization after all.
>>46407086
But it'd be about recruiting people and managing your squad. It'd follow a PC character, but it would still be revolve ultimately on getting and keeping a source of food and drink. And ultimately liberating our own plot of land someplace
>>46407217
That still sounds like basically XCOM Quest, at least in terms of mechanics. Part of a civ is that we control the development of our civilization, and control just about everything, with dice rolls determining how they go.
>>46407263
What's the mechanics for XCOM quest? I'm unaware of that concept
>>46407325
XCOM Quest ain't a real thing (as far as I know), I'm just saying that mechanically it'd be XCOM translated to a questing format
>>46406545
>http://strawpoll.me/7241764
Anyone up for GM a new thread?
>>46407354
>sounds like a quest that doesn't exist
then why the fuck did you respond to him
>>46406823
planets or exoplanets shrouded in eternal darkness should be an option
or alternatively, a planet bathed constantly in light, obviously a multi-star system
>>46406823
Have a Conquering and teraforming system set up going in. Start with a small group on a small ship, then eventually settle an uninhabited island
Fruit people civ when?
>>46409424
When you make it.
>>46406823
several people have tried, but you'd need to go archive-binging to find their WIPs.
>>46409432
;_;
>>46397620
>>46397735
OP from that here. I was busy with IRL stuff. Work, friends, preparing for travel for SoI prerelease. Anybody could have started the next thread if they wanted.
Picture of mainland life for you.
Any new civ games up?
>>46413266
Nope. Guess you better get to work.
>>46410545
Please evo OP, do it for us
>>46410545
That is creepy cute.
Besides fire, which other technologies would you expect a nomadic people to possess by the time they settle?
I was thinking Crude Metalworking and Hunting. Maybe definitely Agriculture since that made settling a reasonable decision.
>>46414535
Horticulture, slings, clothes, some level of building construction
>>46414535
Basic animal husbandry
>>46406823
It was once almost a thing, it didn't end up becoming a thing.
>>46414865
It was starting to look good.
>>46397291
How the fugg would this be played?
>>46415627
Hide and ignore.
>>46406300
I could swear I was posting in a dragon civ thread. The guy hasn't popped anything out when he said it would be on the next day. Shame. :/
>>46409424
So plant people?
>>46415627
Like any other civilization quest.
>>46415785
So did you by chance play with that civ chart before?
>>46415662
yeah.. I was the guy with the dragon civ, i think.
The main reason I quit doing it was because i relapsed bretty hard back to heroin and other stuff and was feeling miserable with myself.
So, sorry to disapoint back then but I will be back with some shiny, new stuff for you guys.. Eventually, after I figure out the details of what i want to run
>>46415944
Any chance we could play now? This sounds awesome!
>>46416509
I think he needs a bit more time anon...
>>46415944
Damn, I hope things are getting better for you Munky. Good luck mang, take all the time you need.
>>46396019
Anyone ever played a Giant spider civ?
Kinda want to see some Shelob/Ungoliant conquering the world.
It's not really a traditional civ, but I'm doing a civ-inspired quest: >>46416690
>>46415921
Yes.
>>46416509
>>46416693
>>46416740
Yeah guys not this week.. I might go and do something next week. I already discussed some stuff in earlier generals, mainly about what race should i start with and the general feel of the game.
If you weren't there what I want to do is basically make some short civs with normal races such as crystallids, gnolls, what-have-you. Advance them to SPEESH and have a masters of orion kinda game going on from there.
I've got some stuff up in my head about everything but mostly i will just bullshit my way and have fun with you guys. Thanks for the support though, I really appreciate it! :)
>>46416942
Story time anon? :D
(Link is fine tho)
>>46416954
>will just bullshit my way and have fun with you guys
>>46417021
Damn. I've been rused it seems. :c
How do you do resource gathering, especially differentiating different metals?
>>46417184
Wing it.
>>46417151
Ignore >>46417021. He's a shitposter who derails civilization discussions.
>>46416963
Just check out "Basphiark Civilization Quest".
>>46417184
The easiest way out there is to just minimize everything. All you need to keep track of should be tech, population and diplomacy in a bigger scale than anything else.
>>46417275
Then how do you keep track of tech?
>>46417316
By winging it.
>>46417316
Maybe you can rip-off the Civilization tech trees wholesale
>>46417222
>>46417260
>>46417021
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/42078078/#q42079719
So I found this. My interest in this quickly died, but maybe you other anons could give it a shot.
>>46417316
Make a pastebin with all your information there.
You can even give it to the players so you won't have to post the resource count every post
>>46417370
I experienced it. No need to relive it.
>>46417275
Do you say that they have access to bronze, iron, etc items, or do you just say metal items?
>>46417370
There was one set in the mindscape too.
Anyone here planning on starting one?
>>46417531
Just go by ores. or metal. You can specify that you have let's say, advanced metalurgy that lets you exploit and craft iron not just copper. No need to keep yourself busy with stuff that will be descarded anyway. What I think you DO need to keep a tab on are trade goods such as wool, coal, diamonds, whatever
Anybody mind if I start one?
>>46418537
Go for it
>>46418537
YEEE!! Do it
>>46418537
I'm game
>>46418683
It's REEEEEEE you dolt
New game here:
>>46418857
>>46418925
Noice
I decided to do the Kolbold Thread tonight in the end!
>>46419545
>>46419649
Last one is up.
Lets see what happens.
>Three civs at the same time
Wew lad
>>46419745
Yeah, I was gonna start the sheepgirl civ tonight but 4 at once seems excessive and likely to decrease participation
>>46417924
Choose one. >>46397291
>>46419934
Dang! I was really hoping to take part in it.
>>46419934
Shame. I'm looking forward to it.
>>46397291
>>46420201
Nymphacelot
Turned out there's only Homonculi Civ up, then again perhaps that's more than enough.
>>46421649
I wish I could be as popular.
>>46422130
You just need to run enough quest/civs
>>46422130
it's all in the work you put in and the framework you set up for yourself so that the work goes somewhere useful.
>>46422768
>>46422804
But all my previous attempts have been failures.
>>46422841
and?
>>46422849
It makes me not want to bother.
>>46422869
then don't. Leave that wish by the door and never speak of it again.
>>46422841
>>46422869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj-QQClFZ6U
>>46422869
>>46423141
>>46422841
>>46422130
Did you know that before I did civ quests I did a couple of one shot/little quests here and there with varying levels of success, but mostly disinterest?
Did you know that even before and during all of this I've always just been hanging around as a rando-Anon only ever posting bits or pieces in world building threads- sometimes even posting my own world building questions or even 'troll' posts?
There's TWO steps at being "good at something":
One is to understand what you did wrong and the next time you do it; do it a little better, a little differently, etc- small incrimental self aware changes are the bricks that will build your wall of skill. Jake the Dog said it once and it REALLY fucking hit home, but he's 100% right: "Sucking at something is the first step at being sort of good at something."
I forget the second step, but you also really need to learn to love and live the "Two Cakes" philosophy: Creative types often compare themsleves to 'fancy cakes' when they've made a shitty sagging biscuit, but 'uncreative types' just look at both things created and say, "Oh shit, two cakes!!!" and gobble them up.
Being good at being creative requires a lot of equal parts persistancy and self-awareness: You need to keep going when it's trudging through shit, but you also need to acknowledge ways to make your life easier, what you do right, what you do wrong, etc..
If this is Myrmidon though the only advice I can give you isyou lack self awareness to the point where even though I've put my heart on my fucking sleeve here for you -while I'm running a busy civ- you'll still just brush this all off without thinking about what I'm saying and you do it to everyone. For almost 2 Years, Mrymidon. I graduated college in that time.
>>46424118
Ah, that's where you went. Here's hoping it works.
![5btok[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zWF8UaG.jpg "5btok[1].jpg")
>>46424209
Forgot to post my accompanying picture.
>>46424657
>shitposter
Creativity isn't shitposting.
>>46424657
>Okay what does Myrmidon do? I thought he was just a harmless shitposter, the kind that trolls a bit but hasn't flung shit so far
Myrmidon doesn't really do 'anything' offensive.
The Problem with Myrmidon is it's been a LOOOooong time and they make the same mistakes over and over again, but they don't understand what they're doing wrong and whether it be a quirk of personality or just plain ignorance they refuse to change or learn or anything.
So in a classic example of lacking any self-awarenesss- Myrmidon thinks everyone is just out to get them because no one recognizes their creativity.
And, like, this has been going on since I originally came out with my Cyclopes Civ- So we're talking almost 1.5 years ago and Myrmidon hasn't changed at all.
What "community" there is in this sub-genre is just really, really, tired of him, his ego, etc.
It's just all really exhausting and silly.
Next General, we should have a Civ/Evo/Builder Games General.
>>46424770
;)
>>46425476
Let's see: gargoyle, skeleton, Biblical angel, ghost, living potato and alien skeleton?
>>46425516
The second to last one is some variety of demon.
>>46425648
Eh, so long as we put reasonable descriptions, they can be run. We already got demons and celestials on the regular charts anyways
>>46425684
To be honest I could go for a Gargoyle as a race for a civ. Either the animated statue kind or even the disney type (if done right)
>>46425748
I would go for the Disney one. Give it a challenge of you must finish this task before sun raise and whatnot.
>>46426204
>>46425748
Did they ever get a part in that Disney Villains Unbound setting?
>>46426357
You mean Disney Villains Victorious? Never heard of Unbound
>>46426418
Yeah that was it. I remember being in the first thread they discussed it and never showing back up lol
>>46425648
Please, for the love of fuck, learn that things you don't like are not shitposting.
Your opinions are not facts. Your comments are shitposts. Keep them to yourself.
>>46426540
See >>46426476 and >>46424701
>>46427494
I like this civ chart the best but it needs Yetis.
>>46428234
The chart with yetis is here >>46406545
>>46427494
>>46428234
Or Scorpionfolk, honestly we should make a whole new civ.Like a space one
>>46428322
>Like a space one
Then why don't we start a discussion of making one?Oh wait we play fast and loose with gameplay never mind
>>46428354
Honestly, I think a Nations game would be much better for a space civ.
>>46428386
A nations game would probably be functionally similar to a civ game anyway, but with less myth-making and more implied backstory
Is anyone else sad that Homonculus Civilization Quest has ended?
We never even got to go beyond the tower...
>>46428427
I feel that Nations Game>Civ Game, as you are no longer fighting against other players for actions, and makes you really think against the other players. Real fun, I say we have a Civ, Evo and Nations Game General, to hopefully make them more popular (But not too much like Quests)
>>46428445
Trying to catch up on the Homonculi Civ archives, any QM-related reason it ended now?
>>46428470
>no longer fighting against other players for actions
>makes you really think against the other players
I'm seeing a contradiction here
>>46428470
And it loses less players because we get to choose our own civilization and race rather than people leaving because their race didn`t get chosen.
>>46428494
What are you talking about?
>>46428530
First part says implies working with the players, and then the second part goes back to saying you're fighting against the other players
>>46428553
First part means fighting for the players for what you do, while second means fighting in terms of war and such.
>>46428470
Honestly, the best civilization quests put an emphasis on the quest part.
>>46428584
I thought a Nations format meant everybody playing AS one nation, not everybody playing their own nation
>>46428617
Then it is a Civilization game.
>>46428651
So a nation game is like that Inverted Earth thread happening right now?
>>46428664
Yeah, although usually with a QM.An example would be the 8ch board Builders
>>46428704
So what's a nations game like? It is basically an image board version of Diplomacy? What keeps players from declaring an assassination of somebody's diplomat, or other situations like that?
>>46428890
http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/The%20End%20-%20Nation%20Builder/type/op/
Here`s an example. It`s sort of like a civ, but with several civs each controlled by an individual player.
Top ten civs you played/seen/maded GO!
>>46430006
Not sure, but ogres were pretty high up there.
How would one run a civ with creatures with an alien set of morals? I feel like if anywhere could roll with it, it's tg, but still.
>>46430477
What did you have in mind?
>>46430477
How flexible are these morals?
>>46430599
Giant subterranean psionic spiders.
>>46430822
I plan on giving you a set of values and letting you decide the exact ins and outs of it. I dont have access to my notes at the moment so give me a moment to remember what the values are. I can remember some, like knowledge, being reactive, and being entrepreneurial.
>>46431028
You'll have to take extra care to not confuse alien for evil. So many people attempt to portray amoral creatures but the consequences are almost always immoral.
>>46431059
Yeah, i get that. They have shown up in a campaign i ran once as a mainly helpful neutral party, and once in a novel as a pseudo antagonist. Do you have any advice on how to run this?
>>46431303
I have no clue. Spiders are going to be pegged as evil unless you specifically try to make them good.
>>46431332
>Spiderbro civ keeping large marauding insects from overrunning humans/elves/etc.
>Humans/etc. thank them by trying to set them on fire
>>46431028
I'd play it.
>>46431494
Nice, ill put together some ideas over the next couple days. I havent run a civ for a long time, so I need to work out how I'm doing this. I have a busy life so it'd probably wind up being a very simple system just to make it easier.
>>46430006
The one with orcs. The one with humans fighting against rapey dwarves. The one with fauns.
I'm pretty new to this.
What is the best time to start a civ thread? LIke when is peak activity of the board?
>>46432376
obviously not now...
>>46432548
It's when the Americans get back from work I think, soon about 5-6-7 ish BST
>>46433375
So Snow, when do you think the troll guy's coming back?
>>46433660
In the meantime:
>>46433793
>>46432376
Someone should start one now.
>>46435878
A little early. Might get NEETs and workers on break but that's about it.
>>46436283
Or Europoors just lurking and hoping there'll be more civ games not ending until the early morning hours.;_;
>>46436283
Eh, it IS Sunday. Hit me up with some mole rat-folk or yetis potential OP!
>>46436410
I know the feeling, bro.
>>46436283
Now it is just right
>>46438550
It is now but where's the civs besides the sheep one?
>>46438847
If I wasnt at work in 10 hours, id run my spider one. That will need to wait until wednesday though.
>>46439765
Aw, man.
>>46434962
I'm pissed this thread died. But I guess it was semi off topic.
Do you have to be a good writer to GM a civ? Annd is it worth it to write posts in antecessum?
>>46442015
It's a bonus, but as long as your writing is legible and coherent you can go a long way. Not to mention it'll help you improve.
And no it's not. You'd be putting far more work into it than you'd get to show of.
Are Civs dead again?
>>46442811
Nopes. They're alive. Kind of hard to keep them alive with so little players.
>>46442015
Come on anon, I'm jonesing hard here. I need my civ fix. Give it a shot.
>>46442811
There are only three or four regular CMs, most others just see a civ thread and decide to do their own the following day. When the regular guys don't make threads, the casuals don't even remember civ threads are a thing and none pops up.
The best way to revive civ threads is always to run a few of them on the weekend, people will either like or hate your style and both things lead to them making their own threads over the week.
>>46443007
The sheepgirl civ has just awoken from its slumber. I'll do mine next weekend.It's gonna suck so hard.
>>46443069
I'd follow the sheepgirl, since there was talk about it in the general for a while. But eh, not a fan of the concept desu. What're you planning to run?
>>46443069
Make it about naked mole-rat folk please.
>>46443224
Orc raiding party. Not sure how to make it sound appealing.
My (vague) idea is that orcs used to be a scourge on all civilizations. As they grew, they assimilated other races and gained their strengths. (That's a whole genetic angle I'm working on.) They became a real danger to the great empires. So much so that the humans elves dwarves etc formed a great Alliance. And after a long, brutal war, drove them off to the ice lands. The elves, especially vicious, followed the orcs there and basically committed genocide.
So that's boring background. The actual civ game sees a small band of survivors fleeing the massacres. They arrive to an unknown land full of dangers and wary neighbors, to try and survive. They're scared, full of hatred against the Alliance. And they keep themselves warm with talk of rebuilding the great Horde of yore. Something like that.
Also they meet naked mole-rat folk.
>>46443467
You loveable shit, that reminds me of Warcraft.
Keep it up and I may explode from the awesome roleplaying.
So, what would you guys say is the cardinal sins, worst mistakes and most common mistakes you've encountered in civ's?
Mostly seeking mistakes commited by the DM's/CM's w/e you call them.
(Mostly interested in constructive critisism).
For example, something I've (luckily) not seen much of but I've seen is the player self inserts ala:
"Namefag Mary posts:
*An elf named Mary tries to make a magical explosion potion (rolls 1d20)*
and then the DM runs with it, cementing the Namefag Mary as canon in the worls.
>>46443467
I would play this.
>>46444055
abandoning the thread early
not being decisive when players votes are divided
getting bogged down in economics
>>46444170
This, this, and this some more.
>>46444055
There is nothing wrong with that.
>>46446003
>There is nothing wrong with that.
>>46444170
>getting bogged down in economics
what does this mean
>>46446809
I assume he means stock market, how much gold you make/spend and whatnot.
>>46446743
Is Digimon the new shitposting?
>>46447450
I don't know enough about economics to make it a major factor in my games. I tried once. Didnt end well.
I'll stick to political intrige
>>46449216
Like what the Vampire civ QM is doing, he usually avoids the core economic parts for easier story telling. There's really no need to divulge into every little detail.
>>46448679
Only if more people do it.
>>46396019
Is it a good idea to run a civ on a Thursday?
And if yes, what are some good guides/tips to make my first attempt not shit. Plz no bully.
>>46450723
Story and atmosphere my friend, that's all. Helps having a little bit in advance and a lot of ideas to draw from
>>46450723
Thursday might be good at the late afternoon.
Could a cyborg monkey civ work?
>>46452046
Sure?
How would things work, though?
Are we a mad scientist bent on world domination, our cyborg monkeys bringing back regular monkeys for us to modify?
Are we rogue cyborg monkeys?
>>46443670
whats gay about it? sure its a complete ripoff of warcraft3 but it doesnt sound particularly homosexual
>>46453481
All-male race with butt-wombs.
>>46453536
Oh stop it, you lewd dwarf you.
>>46454056
My father didn't love me, I'll never stop!
