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Previous thread: >>46202387
First for giants are best.
>>46231344
Have we taken a poll yet to see what armies are most played? Where are my Chaos bros at?
>>46231344
>tfw have two giants worth of stuff that I have yet to model
Ones for chaos ones for orcs
>>46231798
http://strawpoll.me/7176168/r
>>46231832
Chaos giants are always fun.
I never really liked either GW Giant despite liking them in theory. Forgeworld is actually worse.
The Mierce ones are more my style, but still not quite what I want.
Are there any decent alternatives?
>>46232224
ultraforge has a nice one
So I'm about to finish my WHFB army, and I'm wondering- Rhinox or Mournfangs? Rhinox have a 1+ and more attacks/wounds/toughness/leadership and stubborn, but they have Frenzy, m7 instead of 8, and cost more. On the other hand, I can take units of 1.
How do the two compare? I need some faster units for my Ogre list, and I'm not sure which to get.
Reminder that GW is in freefall and that AoS is a failure.
>>46232763
That's not quite what I would call free fall, it looks like they are just returning to pre aos value.
Whats your favorite thing about your army anons?
>>46234068
Lance formation, followed closely by having been super-forgiving of me being a total newfag painter.
All units are now statted to accurately portray how powerful they are in the fluff. How stacked or screwed is your army? What is your most broken unit? Which models as the most drastic change from original rules?
>>46234184
My chaos warriors are probobly op as shit if they're back to yee old days of being 75 point double wound murder machines.
>>46234068Animosity
>>46234184
All of my rats are already that.
>>46234184
I play WoC, so probably slightly more powerful again than they are now.
Most broken unit would probably be Chosen, given how they are depicted as being almost Champion level, you'd have a unit of guys with Character stats.
>>46234068
What mount is that? Juggernaut?
>>46232763
Drawing lines on the graph and trying to make it match up to specific model releases is silly. It's not a 1 to 1 correlation.
>>>46226904
There are 'daemons' associated with non-Chaos gods; there was even a ritual spell in WFRP 2e to summon them.
The thing is, the Gods of Order (or whatever term fits the assorted non-Chaos pantheons) don't want to bring Warp entities into the world, because that's counter-productive for the whole "Keep Chaos bottled up and not spilling out everywhere" thing, so you best have a damn good reason to do it.
In a hypothetical Cathay army, how big a role would cavalry have in proportion to the entire force? Elite shock troops like the Empire? Bulk of the army like Kislev? Pretty much every single unit that matters like Bretonnia?
I don't know much about Cathay lore nor chinese warfare, but I just picture infantry first and foremost when thinking about it.
>>46235614
It would probably be based off Ming china based on the time scale, and they had medium lancers and horse archers in a supporting role.
>when you guess the range and you hit the exact front rank
Are the forge world units as OP in WHFB as they are in 40k?
uh, question. What are the armies of all the non white humie races based on?
>>46236026
>Lizards
Central americans
>orcs
racist joke of your choice here
>Dwarves
tolkien and scots/irish
>some chaos warriors
mongols
>ogres
also mongols
>hobgoblns
also mongols
>elves
tolkien
>dark elves
dnd/tolkien
>skaven
world war 2 slightly
>Ind
I bet you can guess
>Cathay
I bet you can guess
Who would want a !not asia supplement with ind and cathay mods for empire, eastern ogres and and eastern beastmen?
>>46236155
Don't forget
Kislev (Generislav)
Nippon
Araby (which has a Warmaster army and includes the southlanders who are african), Tomb Kings (egyptians)
Tilea (Italy)
Estalia (spain)
Albion (Picts and Gaels)
>>46236367
Forgot my pic
Gamescanguy here, found The Tragedy of McDeath but shits too fucking expensive.
So I'mma keep looking. But I am looking.
>>46235999
They're not even worth considering in Fantasy.
They're at best something you buy for fun or as a proxy.
The only exception is the Great Unclean One really, but that's because you don't want the shitty regular model for such a tear-drinking beast.
>>46236155
The Dwarfs of Warhammer Fantasy are not Scots/Irish, they're actually based on the Saxons of the northern British coast. Who were grumbly mining folk with really shitty lives who were content to booze it up and wipe out their entire village out of spite or accident.
>>46237148
>no iron arm
>can be plinked to death because toughness cant negate damage
>Fantasy daemonic rewards are awful
I fail to see how its tear drinking
>>46237148
Forgeworld never really made anything good for Fantasy except Chaos Dwarfs if you're into them as a faction. The rest of it was dull overpriced shit, or really nice extremely overpriced shit. Most of it didn't even really match the Warhammer aesthetic to the point someone plopping a Forgeworld monster on the table would probably have to whip out their phone and prove its a Forgeworld model rather than something from another company.
Forgeworld mostly exists to sell plastic to Tau and Space Marine players.
The sole exception is the Greater Daemons and Elspeth Von Draken. Pic related. Elspeth is actually really good, but she's really fucking expensive for points and REALLY fucking expensive for moolah.
>>46237208
GUO won't die. They just refuse, and have far better durability than any other "cannon bait" model for their points.
When you field a full Nurgle army, unless your opponent has specifically selected their list to counter you then you're going to be drinking tears. Even if you lose, you're going to make it really fucking long and difficult.
Speaking of Forgeworld, the artwork for the Mourngul is so amazingly fantastically awesome but the model is a huge fucking disappointment.
>>46237328
Its like the Scary Stories To Tell In The Dark book. Scary illustration, crappy redesign.
>>46237328
So are they supposed to be something analogous to a Wendigo?
>>46237264
They actually have a handful of really nice models that in line with normal gw prices.
>>46237119
Already got a PDF of McDeath from the above links.
Is it not up there any more?
>>46237374
Yeah. Based on some myths from the Napoleonic Wars and World War 1 about monsters that kill soldiers in winter combined with the Wendigo myth.
>>46237443
Shit, really? Does it have all the cards and everything?
I was actually considering buying the damn thing for $70 to give you guys scans.
>>46237523
Yes, and the army sheets. Full color.
>>46237565
Nice!
So which ones are missing? I was still looking for Terror of the Lichemaster too.
>>46237589
I know we have like, all of the 5thEd+ books (tears of isha, circle of blood, etc)
Dunno whats missing
>>46237294
Im still not seeing it. What makes the GUO so unkillable for its cost?
>>46237641
Terror of the Lichemaster was the first boxed set, the total list of boxed sets is:
1) Terror
2) Tragedy
3) Idol
4) Tears
5) Grudge
6) Sigmar's Blood
But Sigmar's Blood doesn't really count since it was completely different than all the others. Triumph and Treachery may count, at least its closer than SB.
That's not counting White Dwarf campaigns though.
>>46235942
>no good Ming miniatures ever.
An army based on the source would be a sort of horde. The Ming liked to fight behind battlefield wagons and their infantry were well equipped but fairly low morale because it was considered a low status profession. Lots of infantry with all sorts of weapons. Bows, Pikes, Swords, some handguns. Lots of small cannon. Elites would be warrior monks and decent cavalry.
How reasonable would it be to give slayers a special rule where they make an attack or two on death? To represent their glorious end.
>>46238384
Seems more likely to me that their problem is being unable to find a death worthy of them. Maybe you roll for each casualty, on a 6 they survive.
>>46238379
Also remember they have a living sigmar equivalent who may or may not be a chaos worshiper. That could makes for some interesting units.
>>46238406
A 6+ !wardsave doesn't have too much flavor though.
Whoever posts the best giant wins
>>46238384
>>46238431
yeah but the end game is not to bog them down with special rules, in reality they're just dorfs trying to pick a fight with something out of their weight class.
I think all dorfs should have been movement 4 by now, stubby legs don't slow you down that much and game play wise it's made a lot of what should be fun units completely crap.
Is there any pictures with knights of Aluminas or at least description of their heraldry, colour scheme and fluff?
>>46237642
I think he means the forgeworld GUO that had like 10 wounds at toughness 10 or something ridiculous.
>>46235999
No, they are more like fun choices than competitive
>>46239501
Here is your (you)
>>46238384
They already have that. The one attack, I mean.
I'd buff it for full attacks, like the new space yiffs' rule.
I'd also give them skirmishers, regimental units make no sense in case of the slayers, and solves the shooting issue in a more fluffy way than the 6+ ward, they really should not have 6++.
Also, give them frenzy. Why the fuck are they not frenzied?
So to fix slayers: full attack deathblow, skirmishers, frenzy. There, done. Hell, I'd even give them fucking Vanguard, Look Snorri, trolls anyone?
So what about
Slayer
Slayer Axes
Unbreakable
Full attacks deathblow
Skirmishers
Frenzy
Vanguard if there are monsters or monstrous infantry/cav in the enemy lines
13-14 points
Doesn't seem more broken than Poison, Frenzy, 2hw, ASF, Murderous Prowess and M5 for 11 points.
Or keep the current rules but bring them down to 9 points/models.
Remember, still M3 and no save whatsoever in melee.
>>46239501
wutface.jpg
>>46235614
No cavalry mentioned in the fluff so you just have to assume they have it. But canon units are one horned ogres, golden dragons and terracotta automaton mentioned in the main rulebook. Tamurkhan mentions animated statues that can swim through solid ground, statues of bird men big enough to lift minotaurs, elite swordsmen, rockets that exploded into living illusions, canons, repeating crossbows and powerful wizards.
>>46234068
>Skaven
The elite units. I don't use Slaves on principle, unless it's a very big game and I have no other core to fill 25%, and I try to avoid Clanrats. It feels nice to field strong tough units in an army that everyone expects to rely on numbers.
>>46234184
S2 slaves, meh, don't care.
S4 or T4 Stormvermin - that's nice!
Hellpit Obamination - OH THE HORROR!
>>46235614
after watching Red Cliff, I'd say bulk of the army. And let them take multiple banners (with some altered rules, of course)
>>46239732
And how well does that actually work when a block of chaos chaos warriors walks in the bar
>>46236026
>>46236155
elves are also very celtic. both Dark and High, but especially Wood
don't see much Irish in dwarfs apart from amount of beer consumed
>>46237264
>would probably have to whip out their phone and prove its a Forgeworld model
to whom? GW store managers have to know FW models, and players that demand GW minis deserve to be spat in the face.
>>46239757
dunno, I'll reanimate and ask them, when we're done scrubbing them from the ground. sadly, HPA and Doomwheel don't leave corpses, they leave splatter.
>>46239791
>HPA
>60x100mm base
>laughing skullcannons.jpg
>>46235942
The Ming switched to cotton armor/brigandine due the textile industry that boomed under the Yuan,the image you posted is of Imjin war era Koreans.
>>46238379
>no good Ming miniatures ever.
Some guy on leadadventure is planning on making a range. http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=84196.0
I have a question; is anyone familiar with any of Fireforge's miniatures? I've been considering using them for Brets, and for the moment I'd like to focus on the Men at Arms Foot Sergeants of theirs. As I understand the scale isn't quite 100%, which isn't too big a deal for me, but I'd like to know if there are any longbows out there that would fit with them. Crossbows are neat and all, but I actually want to keep with the longbows for my army's theme.
>>46234068
>skaven
It's the hell pit, the way it just evaporates entire units on the charge. Especially if you have two of them hit on the same turn.
>dark elves
Them turbo slut elves, death hags with 4+D3 S6 attacks on a blood cauldron in a unit of witches.
Also after playing skaven for years it's good to finally get a taste of different magic lores.
>>46239732
>>46239757
Yeah I can't imagine anyone being that impressed with stormvermin, they're literally just Ws4 S4 in a 5+ armor save.
>>46237264
>Forgeworld never really made anything good for Fantasy except Chaos Dwarfs if you're into them as a faction. The rest of it was dull overpriced shit, or really nice extremely overpriced shit. Most of it didn't even really match the Warhammer aesthetic to the point someone plopping a Forgeworld monster on the table would probably have to whip out their phone and prove its a Forgeworld model rather than something from another company.
lmao this and likely the bullshit surrounding FW that infests 40k to some extent is why FW dumped your ass and didn't even finish all of the models.
I don't know what you mean by not matching the Warhammer aesthetic, guess the same nebulous horseshit people would spout about 8th Edition models because they were something other than stiff looking infantry you could rank up.
So, /wfhb/, what are you currently working on?
![m2350851a_99120202032_DemigryphKnights03_873x627[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/S4tANtl.jpg "m2350851a_99120202032_DemigryphKnights03_873x627[1].jpg")
Jesus I wish that the Demigryph Knights had come out during 7th Edition when the prices on plastic kits weren't total robbery. They're positively gorgeous, but I guarantee you for three modular models ten years ago it would have been like 30-35 USD at most instead of the fucking 50+ that they go for. I got Pegasus Knights when they still came in boxes of three for like 25 USD, but when they broke them up it was instantly 20 for one model. What a fucking travesty, and a waste of like the only decent looking kit to come out for Empire in ages.
>>46240003
My D10 warhammer clone
>>46240016
>Jesus
>not Sigmar
you just don't deserve cheaper demigryphs
>>46240003
Toying around with chaos list centered around throgg. Ive tried a few iterations and im just never happy with it
>>46240003
An ogre, taking a break from Empire at the moment. He's more or less finished but I want to add some things to make him more interesting. I was thinking of using one of the gut plates to put in his hand, but then I'd be short one ogre.
And a WFRP campaign.
>>46240106
>>46240056
Taal's teeth, man, I pay my taxes! You fat cats in Altdorf don't care about the working state trooper at all!
>>46240183
I know, I didn't notice it until the job was almost done. I'll probably file that away and redo his arm and hand. I always seem to forget the mould lines for some reason.
>>46234068
>TK
-4 Chariot wide charge with 1 extra rank. 4d6 S5 impact hits, yummy. And then the murderhorses strike! (Who cares about the charioteers...)
-Bone Giant (Colossus in 8e) with extra hand weapon (5 A, S6) and heavens buffing his WS and I to 10. He can solo 80% of the units in this game (he gets a new attack for every attack that wounds, and these attacks can produce new attacks too).
>attacking a character on monstrous calvary has you attacking the character but if the mount has more wounds you subtract the wounds from the mount
>attacking a character on a monster means you can kill him just fine and leave the mount to (likely) suffer penalties for killing its rider
This has got to be the dumbest rule in the book
>>46240264
*Light, not Heavens.
>>46236155
skaven are WW1
>>46240275
it is
9th Age fixed this
>>46240275
This is a great rule, in both cases you want to be either wounding the mount or wounding the hero/ lord on the monster.
>>46240003
A hydra, I was going to magnetize it so I could use it as a kardashian occasionally too but just went ahead and put it together.
Now I realize how easy it would have been to magnetize I'm kicking myself.
>>46240275
It's one of those instances where the game doesn't scale smoothly
I'd go mixed profiles for all models honestly, just to make weak characters on great monsters not glorified punching bags.
>>46231288
>tfw dreamed about using total war's 3d models, scenery, animations and video/audio effects to mod small games where the player control just one model and can upgrade over time into the more specialist and rare choices with ingame points
>tfw I have no face because I'm as good at coding as a saurus with his arms hacked off
>>46240325
How do you reckon? Lords are inherently more useful than their mount in that theyre your general and in many cases the lord is also the better combat unit. How is a naked dragon or chaos lord better than a 3 wound dragon and healthy chaos lord
>>46240368
use Warcraft III
you can import models and it's trigger system is easy to learn and doesn't require coding.
>>46240368
Funnily enough, an armless Saurus could probably still hold his own against the average human. It's whole body is a weapon.
>>46240426
I guess it'd return to act like a theropod.
if Ancients are so advanced, why did they make inherently flawed fleshy creatures? why didn't they make robots or golems?
and why give their chaos-fighting creations souls, which can be corrupted?
>>46240426
>get rekt slaanesh faggot
We need more Lizardmen fluff. I don't need another story about empire vs chaos, I want to read more about oldbloods beating the shit out of greater daemons
>>46240495
>So, there was this greater daemon of chaos.
>He came to Lustria to burn and pillage shit.
>But a Saurus Oldblood kicked his ass and lopped his head off. With a blunt stone sword.
Here ya go. Add embellishments and flourishes as needed.
>>46240485
That's how science works, generally. Make a thing. If it doesn't work, call it 1.0 and make another thing. Keep going until you succeed. Thing is, the Old Ones ran out of time, threw all their ingredients into a pot to make Halflings and Ogres before they disappeared/died/abandoned the project.
>>46240495
>>[translated from lizard-speak[
>>"Gather oh children of the fallen gods, the mighty works of the Old Ones!"
>>Hear the legend of Kosk-rekt who beat the shit out of Greater Daemons like they owed him plaques of gold!
>>46240485
No one knows why the old ones did anything, that's their whole story. I'm pretty sure the old ones could only uplift races, not create them from scratch with all the things they wanted. Otherwise they would have skipped all the prototypes that were the elves, dwarfs and humans, and went straight to their master race intelligent Ogres
>>46240523
I understand that, but why even experiment with living creatures? Even leaving aside the fact that flesh is weak, flesh is corruptible. Souls are corruptible. The only corrupted metal we see is actually forged by chaos-worshippers or daemons.
Make robots or golems, make automatic factories, and let endless stream of recycleable automatons battle endless stream of daemon.
>>46240547
It's hard to say. We know little to nothing about the Old Ones as the only beings to even look upon them without dying are the First Generation Slann (who all died in the first incursion) and the oldest of dragons (who are all asleep or dead). The wisest of Slann, the Second Generation, can only guess from the plaques left behind as to their intentions.
Perhaps they, too, are Chaos Gods? Thus they need living beings to sustain their existence. If the only things around were mindless automate, then there would be no thoughts, emotions or dreams to coalesce into warp entities.
>>46240562
I meant to say automaton.
>>46240495
>khorne sick of kroq-gar making his daemons look like bitches
>sends the blood hunt after him
>kroq-gar is waiting with his army of cold one riders
>series of running battles through the jungles concludes when Kroq-gar tears out the throat of the lead bloodthirster. With his teeth.
>khorne weeps that he will never have a champion as hard as kroq-gar
>>46240547
Good idea
>>46240568
I didn't have them in mind, but them being Old Ones' automatons would make more sense - would explain their extreme uniformity at least
>>46240568
I've recently been to a local GW and one of the redshirts tried to pitch me Sigmarines like he was reading from a script or the implant in his brain would explode. The other times I went there a different redshirt was around and he wasn't nearly as pushy. He was kinda cool, but you could see the pain in his eyes. He knew AoS was failing and he didn't want to lose his job if the store was forced to close down.
>>46240593
Who the fuck cares this is warhammer fantasy general not AoS and there's a pretty good lore discussion going on.
>>46240593
kinda can feel their pain
>loves WHFB
>finds a job selling what he loves
>happy
>GW murders his favourite game
>he gotta sell that stillborn abomination or be fired now
>he gotta convince people to abandon WHFB and cross over to AoS
>he knows it ain't working and he's gonna be jobless one day anyway
>>46240611
I know, it just bugs me.
>>46240615
He was the only one in the store so I don't think he was pressured into shilling. We had a good chat about WFRP and how both our groups tend to believe that 'retreat' isn't in the dictionary.
>>46240197
how
>>46240485
The old ones were creatures of order that discovered the potential of chaos how the material and the immaterial are intertwined with each other and tried to harness the best from both worlds to make something pure and completely autonomous:
Harmony, focus and stable progress fused with fantasy, raw power and enough freedom of will to shape reality and don't need no man.
Humans are perhaps the closest to this, but having been left unrefined, they are still too unstable, powerful enough to spawn in both setting a very strong willed being that could try to challenge chaos (sigmar and the emperor).
>>46240642
I have a lot of projects on my desk now, and some of them are based first and painted later. Some are weeks, maybe even months old in my backlog. I wanted an ogre with a great weapon instead of two hand weapons so I painted that guy up, not noticing the line until it was pointed out here.
>>46240606
>>46240689
>>46240656
Ogres were the chosen master race, if finished they would have been the ones to stop chaos. Their only weakness was lack of culture beyond tribe level, and low intelligence, which lead them to mimic the cultures they encountered instead of forming their own.
>>46240697
>>46240719
This is probably one of the best kits from GW.
>>46240615
My local manager is some what the same except he just enjoys playing table top games so isn't as ass mad about it.
Also we still have a healthy 8th ed tourney scene going on so his sales haven't been hit too hard.
>>46240378
It's great in that people can't use their mounts as additional wounds for their lord.
While at the same time not being able to use the rider as an extra wound for their demigryphs.
It's a balance thing, that makes already strong shit less of an ass blaster.
>>46240342
>mixed profiles
Eww.
>>46240716
>>ogres
>>master race
I want this meme to die.
>>46240716
Last project ≠best project
For all we know halflings and ogres may as well be incomplete experiments to develop something to later introduce in the humans.
Kinda like you could grow a pig just to have its heart as ingredient later.
Or maybe ogres and halflings were made in preparation of a future hybridization to make humans 2.0
>>46240746
>Eww.
Only defensive profiles m8, not the horrors we have seen in the end times
>>46240754
Skaven solved similar problem by attaching special brainrats to ratogres.
What if use saurus brains to control ogres? Wouldn't that be optimal?
>>46240485
Robots or golems can still be corrupted.
They used fleshy creatures propably because they can reproduce naturally
>>46240716
Sky titans were the master race.
Ogres were the ones that destroyed our last hope agains chaos
>>46240784
Skaven confirmed for greater than the Old Ones.
>>46240784
I suppose it depends on the brain. It could make them less likely to convert to Chaos, or more likely. The Lizardmen are basically grasping at straws, so they'd be even more likely to create failures where the Old Ones tried.
>>46240808
no need to point out obvious things
>>46240808
>yfw when Old Ones turn up to be Skaven who travelled back in time and created Lizardmen just so Pestilense would be occupied and didn't conquer Skavenblight
>>46240784
No, it wouldn't, saurus are too rigid and ordered, they don't have enough freedom of will.
Having a powerful soul was a key objectives of their creations.
>>46240840
But without the jungles of lustria pestilens wouldn't have been born to begin with, it is a horrible plan.
>>46240869
To be fair, most Skaven plans are.
>>46240865
okay, what about an elf brain, with some safeguards?
>>46240875
>>dozens, tens of dozens of cigarettes cover his desk
>>the god shakes with withdrawal as his secretary gives him the news that his interference with the timeline isn't working
>>DO IT ANYWAY
>>46240882
What an ignoble life. The monstrosity either exiles or kills itself.
Whats /WHFBG/'s opinion of the 9th age?
>>46240882
>putting the mentality of an elf in anything
>ever
I'm surprised there're still people who don't understand how flawed elves are
>>46240925
mine is generally positive and optimistic
many people I see dislike some of the changes, but that's natural. people always dislike changes.
>>46240882
>not just sticking an elfs brain into a dragons body
>>46240772
Eh, we'd have to see how it goes.
>>46240772
>>46240946
9th already does it
>>46240925
Breddy good, a bit verging on standardizations though.
>>46240928
As flawed as elves may be, as all mortals are, men led to the rise of Necromancy. Let's be fair all around. Nagash's human fear of death drove him to create his own type of magic.
>>46240925
Rules have a good potential, hope they didn't die or loose popularity and release not only basic ruleset, but campaign and expansions focused fluff and will move plot forward.
>>46240928
>Elves
>Flawed
I everyone listened to the Elves, then everything would have been okay.
>>46241002
Not in 8th which led into End Times. Listening to Elves, or anyone, leads into CHAOS DID IT CHAOS DID IT.
>>46240925
No special heroes kinda suck
>>46240925
It's gonna be bumpy at first but I hope it'll end up being a community standard.
However the whole releasing miniatures, even if it's just in collaboration with 3rd parties, looks slightly shady to me, not to mention dangerous legally wise.
>>46240983
Remind me how nagash unveiled the secrets of necromancy again
>>46241002
No, the elves were given one command: To stay in their fucking containment continent; only if they did that everything would have been okay; but no, they needed to be so edgy to cut their race apart, tainting the men of nehekara with their sick knowledge, dividing up the human forces of the old world further by making the brets into their own garden keepers and causing the dwarfs to be even more distrustful of tall people.
Fuck the elves, they shouldn't be here, go back to your yin-yang ouroboros shaped Atlantis you fucks
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>46241043
they sorta give you options to makes some of the special heroes from generic characters (e.g. there're a ring and sword for VC that basically allow you to make Vlad). for them, making original scpecial characters is pointless, trying to remake GW's is dangerous
>>46240925
Haven't touched it in a while, from what I remember it was all the crap from 8th ed with a slight twist.
That said I always enjoyed fantasy when it was more of a historical with a fantastical twist.
>tfw try to get a pick up game at a different flgs
>3 high elf players and one vc player
>hate vc with a passion
>high elf player starts by dropping a brick of 40 white lions with world dragon banner
Well at least their scene is still active.
>>46241101
>hate vc with a passion
What are you, an ogre player?
>>46240983
>>46241086
what's wrong with Necromancy?
Nagash ended up one of the greatest threats to Chaos in the world. had Skaven not blown up Naxxrammas, he could've beaten Chaos with endless tide of the dead.
Can't activate Old Ones' machine, if Middenheim is buried beneath mile-tall mountain of corpses. living, angry corpses.
>>46241094
You can't create Archaon that way. Or any of the really special characters like Morghur or Apophas
>>46241024
Even in 8th ED and End Times.
If everyone listened to Elves and Teclis, then everything would have been fine.
I can make a list of bad things that happened because someone ignored an elf.
>>46241086
A trio of Dark Elf sorcerers were captured by Zandri and given to Khemri as a gift to the recently slain King to be buried with him. Nagash learned the art of magic, specifically Dark Magic from them.
I know what you're getting at, but because humans are able to use Dhar, albeit with a lot of fucking backdraws, they can still use it without the influence of elves. It may have taken humans much longer but they still will have used Dhar eventually.
>>46241109
Necromancy means the end of all things. Nagash and his few hand picked lieutenants would be the only sentient beings around.
>>46241114
8th edition is bad and anyone that likes it should feel bad. Teclis is usually right. End Times turned him into a carousel of lore ass-rape.
>>46241109
>What's wrong with necromancy?
Destroyed the most advanced empire of old, rewards personal agendas rather than the good of the multitude, it desecrates and twists the natural order and above all it gave us Manfred.
>>46241109
>Nagash ended up one of the greatest threats to Chaos in the world. had Skaven not blown up Naxxrammas, he could've beaten Chaos with endless tide of the dead
Actually, no.
Nagash planned on harvesting dark magic and the Wind of Magic, and then confronting the Chaos Gods. Teclis and Lileath foresaw that the Chaos Gods who tear him apart. Nagash's arrogance would destroy him because he would confront the Chaos Gods alone without the rest of the Incarnates to back him up.
This was proven true, when Archaon would kill Nagash and repeatedly humiliate him in AoS, despite Nagash ascending to true godhood. Despite all those defeats, Nagash still thinks he is an equal to the Chaos Gods. Such arrogance.
This seems like the only place I could ask this, so I'm going to go for it.
What are the Corpse Geometries? It was mentioned briefly in an intro to End Times but any other info I find just seems to be be "durr hurr look harder". Is it just Old God fuckery Warhammerified or is there actually something to it?
Or am I just going crazy over something Games Workshop doesn't care about?
>>46241112
you can always just carry them over, since games with special characters are rarely competitive anyway
8th Ed and 9th Age are compatible
>>46241122
still, that's not a Chaos victory and Chaos is the big bad. set your priorities straight.
>>46241157
You remember the weave? The thing that connects all living beings and reality together?
Think of the evil version of it with death, suffering, and absolute and changeless order.
It's mentioned in AoS. Nagash talks about it a bit in his audiobook series.
>>46241168
It may not be a Chaos victory right away, but the end result is still the same. No mortals = no Chaos Gods. They need mortals to even exist. The fewer there are, the less powerful they are.
>>46241106
Nope. skaven player.
>tfw two units of zombies hold your entire army up for 5 turns
>terrogheist instagibin hell pit abominations
>bloodknights literally unkillable
>basic vampires better than skaven lords, 1+AS bastards making plague monk spam worthless
Sure they're not unbeatable but it's an up hill battle the entire time.
>>46241152
Didn't nagash have a plan of making a warpstone empowered undead army to invade the chaos realm?
That would have been a nice plot to explore and could have given us some nice elite undead units
Imagine a elite blightkings-sized unit of undead warriors with armour similar to nagash, arkhan and neferata
Already got a silly GW name for themblackbone draugarad
>>46241180
>No mortals = no Chaos Gods
It was confirmed in 7th ED and forwards that the Chaos Gods are invading other worlds and realities.
What happens in the Old World, will not affect them much. In fact, they have been exterminating realities and worlds since the dawn of time. They don't give a duck.
>>46241191
Don't underestimate the duck
Nobody can beat the duck
>>46241191
>>confirmed
>>oh shit let's change the rules so our new fluff fits the setting
Yeah, ok. GW doesn't care anymore, they haven't for a long time.
>>46241215
Actually, other worlds, realities, dimensions always existed in the setting since they introduced the Old Ones and the Warp Gates.
>>46241191
The absence of mortals influences the presence and powers of the chaos gods to a local level though
Sorta like the whole deal with a falling tree and none to hear it making the event nonexistent because lolchaos
>>46241221
Even if they are real, that doesn't explain changing the rest of the fluff to suit it. Malekith was always a bad apple, not the hero we needed.
>>46232443
Anyone?
>>46241184
How do gheists survive those dirt cheap lightning cannons?
>zombies tying up entire army
your the guy who likes to take "elite" units of small skaven arent y ou
>>46241236
I'd not be so sure about it, I feel like I could bet money on the twist of malekith actually being the rightful king having been stated in GW's book of secret fluff for a long time.
>>46241236
Are you just throwing random things around? I don't see any change.
The Old Ones travelled around other realities and worlds via the Warp Gate through the Realm of Chaos. Chaos exists as the dominant force in the Realm of Chaos so it should gain access to all the planes of existence connected to it.
>>46241250
No, that's not me.
>dirt cheap lighting cannons
The thing about those is that they're incredibly unreliable and vulnerable to getting blown up by those very same gheists.
Also that random strength shit doesn't help.
>>46232443
>>46241245
Mournfangs are plastic and work well as linebreaker anyway
I don't know how's your meta and if it is friendly with forge world's units though
If I were you I'd try with the rhinox simply because it would be fun to convert them and to have something a bit uncommon on the field
>>46241302
I cant say i play skaven but arent those cannons on the "reliable" end of the spectrum for skaven garbage?
>>46241302
>The thing about those is that they're incredibly unreliable
what sort of shitty Skaven player you are if this even bothers you?
>>46241362
That's not what I mean with unreliable, in 6th and 7th skaven unreliability meant that sometimes it would either fail horribly or blow a smoldering crater into something.
Now it either fails horribly or manages to slap something, even the AOE blast template isn't that great since everything worth shooting is either much cheaper than it should be or has a way of not giving a fuck.
>>46241399
It doesn't bother me.
>zombie dragons are the coolest shit in my book
>the vampire count one sucks some major ass
Whats the best way to run one? Can i even do it without ruining my army list at 2k points?
>>46241491
The best thing would be simply to not make it your general
>>46241491
>>46241491
>vc dragon sucks ass
I have not found this to be true, the mark of nurgle it carries is especially bullshit considering there's a vampire on the top of it that also gets -1 to be hit in combat.
They're doable in 2k but you have the same problems most dragons do in that points bracket, you have to put them to work.
>>46241179
Thank you. This is all I ever wanted.
You are a beautiful person. Have a skaven.
>>46235942
>>46235942
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_Redi9cZJ5iME9GMHd2TGo2RGM/edit
Seems like it.
Light to medium cavarly in reasonable amounts, but no heavy cav whatsoever.
You do get jumping frog cav though, so that's cool.
>>46241483
The WLC can do the work of a normal cannon or a normal stone thrower. The problem is you're never quite sure which it will do, but the odds are in favor of cannon (Strength 6+, enough to wound most monsters) while attempting to use it for the template is difficult to aim (Compared to the doomrocket at least). Of course, 8e's favor given to big units makes it easier to peg them with the template. For monsters shoot 10-11 inches from the back of their base and there's only one result that can waste a good shot, if that (2-6 might still reach depending on their size)
Is your army 100% Warhammer, or it is styled a bit after some other setting? Or maybe it got alternate fluff, so it has equal place both in Warhammer and in some other setting?
>>46241909
Yeah I'm well versed in how to fire the cannon, it's just not as consistent as other cannons but lacks the "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT" effect it once did.
I'd gladly pay the extra 30 points for an empire great cannon from a competitive point of view.
>>46235998
>mfw the catapult hits the enemy's gunline with the force of a twin-tailed falling star
if you combine Engine of the Gods and four Doomwheels, what sort of car do you get?
>>46235998
>>46242041
>mfw 6+ regenerate on the cannonball
>>46242123
Last wheel as spare one.
>>46242123
You get a Godswheel
No mortal has ever survived to tell the tale of the lightning shooting, bones crushing, sky burning, time warping power of the Godswheel
>>46241995
i'm thinking of starting a WoC army that would be styled after Moorcock's Chaos, and not look like regular WHFB's chaos armies (though still would fit the fluff, if you disregard names on banners)
>>46241995
I want to make Wild Hunt special heroes for my Warriors of Chaos.
And not exactly Witcher Draug,but a giant creature made of weapons and shields. I still think what this would be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SFM6-LC6io
>>46241995
My supreme sorceress will be modeled after a gender bent skeletor.
>>46242123
You get a crater.
>>46242684
I'm not familiar with wild hunt, but a golem made from weapons sounds like a great demon prince.
>>46242123
Normally the wheels all spin at different speeds and tear the whole thing apart leaving you with some fraction of four doomwheels and an engine of the gods, which isn't too shabby a force but for the fact that the wheels will probably fry each other and the engine with lightning.. Every once in a while you can keep it going for a little bit, during which time you have a juggernaut of destruction akin to an iron daemon made out of real daemons (Bloodthirsters and lords of change, to be precise). Some day, however, all four Doomwheels will move at triple-six speed and hit the positive result on their misfire tables, then roll quad-sixes the next round. At that point the device will radiate a fantastic emerald light as it ascends to the warp, slaying with its magnificence anything that does not avert its eyes from the splendor. Then, the Chaos Gods will die.
>>46238629
Aluminas was an unknowable cosmic god of stars, like benevolent reverse Cthulhu. He wouldn't have enough worshipers for a knightly order, and a mathematician would be more a devotee than a Witch Hunter.
>>46242903
>doesn't want to get hit with a vortex
Of all the shit to include in a video game they added the damn pit of shades/ dwellers below/ purple sun bullshit.
>>46239770
Probably because if you bring a model nobody had seen before and claim it has rules some people would call it an untested homebrew.
>>46240925
I want Nagash and Mortarch rules. Even as generic characters.
>>46243446
It'll suck, rumor is magic is weaksauce.
>>46243674
Didnt they just say in the video that they recently buffed magic
Baleful torrent or pleghm bombardment for epidemius feeding?
>>46243816
Considering their dev technique, I doubt it was enough.
>>46243444
Anon,you are talking about Jyggalag.
Alluminas is similiar but he is actively fighting chaos,especially Tzeentch and Obscuars worshippers.
He is basically god of Light and Illumination. His followers are monks dressed in white robes with a symbol of four spiked wheels. They are mostly located in monasteries in Nippon and Cathay,the western worshippers of him are known as the "Wanderers" and use candle as a symbol
His real form is propably something like a Naaru,except even more shiny
>>46234068
Bretonnians, and surprisingly enough the men at arms. They're adorable in their near uselessness, and I always make sure to include a squad or two of peasants along with my knights.
>>46235998
>when your template hits just right to cover an 8 man cavalry unit.
>>46240106
where did you get that hand?
>>46244331
Sauce?
>>46244776
Tons of weird slavic tomes of knowledge and some lines in WHFRP 1st edition.
So no real source for that
>>46244871
What happens if an empire battle mage riding a griffin turns into a monster? Do you roll on the rider loss chart? Remove the griffin? Are they simply forming a 2 monster wide unit?
>>46245000
ain't Transformation "models on foot only"?
>>46245000
If he transforms into a monster large enough the mount is stored inside his anus until he turns back.
If not the mount is crushed under his weight.
>>46245114
Seems kinda counter intuitive since you need to take beast lore for the griffin mount
>>46245184
Taking the beast lore gives you a gryphon though, so you don't need to transform.
Also the lore of beasts is anus, they really dropped the ball on it because of its attribute.
>>46231987
>http://strawpoll.me/7176168/r
How do I vote?
>>46245484
a 170 point gryphon is aces. a 200-240 point sandbag on his back is decidely less so. My monster fetish is really killing me because i cant NOT have the cool monster but the downsides are killer
>>46245546
You don't get to. It's too late. It's over.
>>46245556
Can't you just take a lord?
>>46240106
The Dragon Ogres sprue.
>>46245546
http://strawpoll.me/7176168/
https://youtu.be/l0XO0VI1WLA
>>46246571
>mfw /tg/ and skaven
makes sense, they're pretty much /tg/ incarnate.
Last chance icons are up for the next culling, as expected whole bretonnia is dead, but the squattening will hit harder this time than it did when chaos was fucked:
Dwarfs
Thorek
Thorgrim
Grudge Thrower
Bolt Thrower
Alrik and Shieldbearers
Flame Cannon
Miners
Thane BSB
Engineer
Bugman
2x Lords
Wood Elves
Sisters
Tree Kin
Orion
Lord on Eagle
Glade Riders
Wardancers
Waywatchers
BSB
Mounted Lord
Shadowdancer
Dark Elves
Malekith
Morathi
Harpies
Shades
Bolt Thrower
Cold One
Dreadlord/Sorceress on Cold One
Supreme Sorceress
Skull Staff Sorceress
Dreadlord with GW
Dreadlord on Dark Steed
Assasin with 2hw
Lokhir
High Elves
Imrik
Tyrion
Eltharion
Teclis
Alarielle
Korhil
Althran
Alith Anar
Handmaiden
Sword and Shield hero
Archers
Silver Helms
Spearmen
Seaguard
Bolt Thrower
Empire
Valten
Helborg
Leitdorf
Ludwig
Balthasar
Wulfhart
Warrior Priest
GW Captain
Sword and Shield captain
Engineer on Mechasteed
Free Company
Knights
Cannon/Mortar
All this so you can have fucking sigmarines and mirrordorfs
They truly deserve death. I hope that their stock will tank even faster now. Don't panic buy, let them fucking die.
>>46246882
holy. shit.
I didn't get the chance to pick some of the things I needed... FUCK. FUCK. FUUUUCKCKCKCK!
time to hit ebay asap, before seller caught up
>>46246882
what was the price of Glade Riders before they were removed?
>>46246882
Well, fuck.
Now I need to rescue me some brets and DE minis from ebay before prices go up. I was really hoping it would take them longer so that I can stretch out my purchases a bit..
>>46246882
>sisters of the thorn
I use these as warlocks.
>mfw GW didn't like that I was getting away unfucked with their dark elf removal and decided to blast my anus indirectly.
with the new culling, stormshit fagternals have twice the entries than dwarfs or high elves
fuck this fucking company
>>46247240
sisters are the twilight sisters, the wild riders/sisters duokit stays
I sincerely hope these models do not go up in price like fucking tomb guards did. I need like a quarter of those but not at $40 a model
has anyone got a pdf of those print-out mordheim buildings?
or any other fantasy papercraft terrain, for that matter
>>46247272
Oh thank fuck, the sisters of twilight are a cool concept but their models are but ugly.
>>46247448
get the fuck out here, this is your thread you scum:
>>46177910
>>46247448
while you're right, now is not the best time to be right
we are sensitive and bitter right now
really bitter
How many cannons is too many?
>>46246882
>I wish the AoS had never come to us. I wish none of this had happened.
>So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the minis that remain.
>>46247821
one
fuck cannons
>>46247694
Yeah he is totally right the old shit sculpts have nothing on the new modern kits.
What's the size of demigryphs? Could I use the ones on pic as demis?
>>46247891
*sigh*
because it always gotta be extremes, right? no middle ground, yeah?
these was a nice long period of beautiful minis between that ancient time of shitty models and these new abominations. but gotta jump to extremes, right?
that dragon was shit from the moment it was released. sisters themselves weren't much better.
>>46246882
Sisters of Twilight are gone?
Fuck, I don't want to give GW any money but I don't feel like I have a choice here.
>>46247821
Depends on your opponents.
If you're getting assraped by monsters, not enough. If your opponent never has a monster survive the battle even when they win, too many.
Well, I am sad to say this, but I'll just give up. I don't have the funds to buy all the models right now they are phasing out, and really need way too much of them, I'll just list my current models on ebay and leave the game.
No idea what GW's plan is, I usually spend around 1.5-2k GBP a year on a hobby, now they will be not getting that money from me. Why do they thought that squatting half their range will do good for the range? A mystery.
>>46246882
its over
>>46248182
>not switching to 30k like 3 years ago
the writings been on the wall for years.
shit sucks though, GW is so fucking retarded that they actually timed the complete removal of fantasy with Total Warhammer coming out... i wonder if they did it out of fear that 'muh video games will kill the hobby', they seem that stupid.
>>46247891
Those honestly look better than the sisters of twilight, they were really crappy sculpts.
>>46248182
What army do you play?
>>46247482
>>46247694
Sorry maties, just psyched nothing that I would want or need is getting dropped or repackaged on rounds.
>>46248355
https://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY
>>46248402
The Sisters themselves were great, the dragon was the problem. But those are shitty on the other extreme.
Honestly, GW just cannot make a goid dragon. They never have.
I just made my fifth ever GW direct purchase rather than second hand.
I bought the 7e High Elves book and the female High Elf Mage. I bought the 8e book and Heraldry. I bought Alarielle, a Handmaiden, and some Sisters. I bought a The Hobbit Great Eagle set.
Now, I've made my last purchase. Sisters of Twilight, a High Elf Lord, and Althran on foot. I'll put the Sisters on one of the Hobbit Eagles.
I'm officially done forever, and...it hurts. I don't like this, it sucks.
Are GW UK's servers collapsing? I can't checkout :( Fuck, I just want to save a few from the fire.
>>46248497
You still can have nice things anon.
I want to rescue models I like but the cost is just disgusting.
I can buy 20-40 high quality models for another game for the price of these characters.
>>46248497
>I'm officially done forever, and...it hurts. I don't like this, it sucks.
It's probably for the best, you seem way too invested in the existence of relatively crappy models.
>>46248601
Fucking 2chan can be so creative sometimes.
Those bastards are discontinuing Joseph Bugman.
>>46248811
wrong.
it's Joseph Bugman discountinuing them!
>>46231288
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4
Thread theme.
RIP in Peace my friends.
At least they are at peace now, GW cannot hurt them anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
The militia kit looks like a fun source of parts, worth buying?
