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> QM question
What system do you use?
> Player question
What are your favorite mechanics?
> Bonus question
When will good quests make a comeback?
>>44819784
>When will good quests make a comeback?
Comeback implies that there were good quests at some point in the past.
>>44819784
>> Bonus question
>When will good quests make a comeback?
Implying they ever left
>>44820078
What current quests are good?
Not being a contrarian, just trying to save dead thread, and genuinely curious.
>>44820658
Blood Moon is live!
>Homonculi Civilization Quest: Activated Complex
>>44820529
Which quests deserve awards?
>>44821339
Why, though?
>>44812918
The thing about GATE, is that none of it would happen that way and your players would probably devise underhanded-as-fuck tactics.
Like carpet bombing empire with ebola/bubonic riddled carcasses, waiting a few months, and declaring mission accomplished.
>>44820948
Longest running?
Best MC?
Best waifu?
>>44822056
Because Cyclops OP made civilization quests worth playing.
>>44822986
Valen Quest is live, for any of my (four) players who missed the twitter.
Death Among the Stars Quest is up! Come help us with space war
>>44822904
>>44823107
>Valen Quest is live, for any of my (four) players who missed the twitter.
Speaking of passive aggressive QM, how's it going?
>>44824328
I'm... Sorry?
It's more of a running joke to me than anything, apologies if it came across as anything else.
Also it's going about the same as usual. Hoping to wrap up an arc soon, and then I guess I'll see where it goes from there.
>>44822625
I'm pretty sure it's which quests, not which CMs/QMs. That civ is entirely new.
>>44824548
>implying
New Military Mage thread is up!
>>44824586
I....what?
You don't win an award before the first thread is even over.
>>44824590
Should'a provided a link
>>44824495
>>44824619 See >>44824586
Soon you will understand, young fool.
>>44824679
Not him, but that looks like pretty blatant samefagging.
>>44824679
....Witter, if that's you, you really need to tone the fuck down.
>>44824724
>>44824726
Those sure are some
>implications.
>>44824769
>implying implications
>Quest does final destination votes
>In threads that have less than three or four voters
>Instead of a coin flip
Why
Just
wyh
>>44826083
Inexperience. Mimicking what we see elsewhere before we realize it's the wrong tool for the job.
Call out rookies in their own threads, they'll fix it. And if they crash and burn in the face of criticism, consider it trial by fire.
Complaining about it here achieves little.
>>44826083
I have 2-3 voters in my quests, should I just roll instead of having people vote (i.e. choose your vote and roll. highest roll wins)?
>>44826208
Sounds about right, so long as you don't accept pants-on-head writeins.
>>44826241
What do you mean by that?
>>44826272
How can you not get that?
A.K.A shitty "LOL RANDOM" write-ins.
>>44826272
Retarded write-in votes.
AKA
>"You're talking to your waifu, and she seems nervous about something."
>Ask her about it
>Leave it be, personal problems are personal
>Talk about something else
and someone writes in
>whip out youyr dick in public :^)
>>44826290
Oh I see what you mean. I meant more along the lines of examples for what you meant by "pants-on-head" (also kinda misread that as pats on head). I've haven't run into that problem yet so I don't think it will be a problem
Is long term consequence for choices in quest good?
>>44826380
I'd say that if it's a long-term decision, the decision must be completely necessary given the plot and every possible answer to the crucial question should be double-checked to remain in-character.
>>44826380
Yes, long-term consequences are my "secret sauce".
That and semi-coherent prose.
>>44820879
>Leave /tg/ for a year
>Come back
>First thread I see is a QTG
>One of the first posts is my image
Feels like coming home.
>>44826549
If it makes you feel better... I also have it saved. And questing has helped that entire part of Transmet make more sense to me. And by turns, enhanced my comprehension of democracy.
So really you've made a bunch of better citizens.
>>44826380
My secret sauces:
Characters and "facts" are lying.
Biased characters and their POVs/opinions
Long-term consequences
Implied countdown timers
Constantly clashing characters
>>44826380
Any good quests I could read to get my head around the genre more? Archived things preferred.
>>44826809
The Last Companion
>>44826809
1. Tile Quest
2. Snakecatcher Quest
3. Livendagen Quest
>>44826688
I don't agree with this at all. You can have consequences that don't change EVERYTHING. Even if it's as minor as changing the way a character feels about something or wants to act toward someone.
>>44827207
Wow, now that you've pointed that outconsequences will never be the same.
>>44827207
>>44827207
>changes the interactions between characters
>changes an aspect of a side character's personality
>>44827207
>Even if it's as minor as changing the way a character feels about something or wants to act toward someone.
I think they listed that one.
Personally, I like having the first thread dictate the personality in general, and only allowing small tweaks after that, until it slowly turns into a major shift.
Also, question.
Oneshot QMs don't need Twitters, right?
>>44827207
They said ONE of the following, not ALL.
>>44827348
>Oneshot QMs don't need Twitters, right?
If people liked your oneshots, then they'd want to know when you're running your next one, no?
>>44827394
>If people liked your oneshots, then they'd want to know when you're running your next one, no?
The obvious joke here aside, I'm mostly feeling the water with my next planned oneshot, to see if I want to keep questing after it.
Which quests that are not JQOP/DAQ have just enough teeth, but aren't loledgy?
I've been mulling on this idea of being a Homunculi slave trader. You'd commerce with laborers, gladiators and prostitutes, and live in a gritty, shady environment.
Thoughts?
>>44827618
We've had multiple Slaver quests. All died abandoned by their writers.
>>44827618
What's the end goal?
Because there is no more /wst/, I need to ask here. I'm going to run a quest with sex in it, not going to happen too often, but I don't want to botch the scenes when it happens.
So. How do I write (good) smut?
>>44827749
You don't. Not here.
If you do, fade to black.
Hey, can you give me advice on how to not mess up a quest?
This is how the next Star Wars quest should be!
https://vimeo.com/14777375
>>44827866
1. Learn to write.
2. Do something original.
3. Post daily.
>>44819784
#SpookyG should be included in the IRC channels list, they discuss quests there as well.
>>44827868
My ideal star wars quest is star wars politician quest.
You're on Coruscant, rubbing elbows, acting snobbish, and just generally sniffing your own farts.
By thread three you convince a minor merchant to ease up on trade tariffsThen you immediately get vaporized in a fiery red beam. The universe seems to cheer at your demise.
>suddenly 2-3 space opera quests tonight
What brought this on?
>>44828457
which?
>>44828434
My ideal star wars quest is an Imperial Noble quest where you put down Filthy Rebel Scum while considering if they might actually be right about your oppressive overlord and tyrant.Nope. You get killed off by a wacky squad of do-gooders who high five each other afterwards about justice and freedom.
>>44828312
>Post daily
I run my quests for about 8 hours twice a week. Should I run more often?
>>44828632
Dude, don't listen to Mr.Daily.
Once a week for 6-8 hours is preferable seeing as it becomes a weekly thing for people, bi-weekly isn't bad either.
Running Daily WILL burn you out. Especially if it is the same quest over and over.
>>44828632
It should be three times a week for at least 10 hours each.
Gladiator anon where the hell are you?
>>44829121
Right here, actually.
I've got everything set up, I just need to get my caffeine supply in order.
>>44828582Also none of your blaster shots aim correctly despite working just fine in training
>>44829174
excellent
>>44828408
Why?
>>44828408
>spooky
>discussing quests
Fuck off triggercuck
Are there too many magical girl quests?
If so, what should replace them?
If not, how can I put an original spin on them?
>>44829445
>Are there too many magical girl quests?
No, in fact; Magical Girl quests have stopped being prime quest material over a year ago. Most of them have died out, and are vastly outnumbered by the standard fare of quests.
Sci-fi seems to be the new big thing. No surprise, on the heels of Star Wars and all.
>If so, what should replace them?
There isn't really 'replacing' them. They're just a type of superhero. If you don't want to write Magical Girl, then don't write it.
>If not, how can I put an original spin on them?
Make it light and comical instead of grimdark. That's pretty original for /tg/.
>>44829445
>Are there too many magical girl quests?
No.
>If not, how can I put an original spin on them?
Don't make it all "dark" and "subversive"
>>44829534
>>44829553
Is "magical woman" a thing?
>>44829445
I don't think so. They are at a fine number right now. I like certain types of magical girl (Military Mage is one of my favorites right now) but dark and edgy shit that is subversive just because it can be is overused and needs something new to it. Just a new look at magical girls besides SUFFERING AND EDGE
For those that like magical girl, what was a quest where you liked how it turned out?
>>44829273
Up now.
What are some relitively new quests that are worth a check out?
>>44829730
>>44829707
Of course I forgot to post a link.
>>44829700
That's just witches.
>>44829858
Would >>44829700 make a good witch?
>>44829755 See >>44820529
>>44829728
We need more people in Military Mage Quest.
>>44830267
I find military stuff to be boring as fuck.
>>44830355
this.
I feel the same way about gritty 'real but with a twist' military stuff, too. I feel the same way about them as I do about civ quests.
>>44829728
Is Military Mage actually any good? I passed up the first thread because it right away seemed like it would be SUFFERING AND EDGE with no redeeming features, but I have been looking for more things to read.Really, I was considering giving it a shot anyways since it's no longer branded itself as a magical girl thing because I do like SUFFERING AND EDGE, I just hate them being combined with magical girls because of MUH MADOKA IS THE BEST SHOW EVER AND MOST UNIQUE MAGICAL GIRL SHOWI fucking hate Madoka.
>>44820948
Totemist for Most Anticipated Quest and Most Devoted Player Base.
Joker for Dumbest Player Base and Best Depiction of Pure Suffering.
Hellborn for Neatest Lawn.
Banished Quest for Best Elf MC.
Homeless Mutant for Best Pianos.
Shadow Quest for Actually Completed Quest.
>>44830438
It's more like mages crossed with a backdrop of military and a heavy dose of japanese flavoring. Not so much magical girl as it is Japanese mages in the military. I'm having some fun with it but it needs more players to be honest. I would suggest it. It's at a nice point to join in (seeing as it only has 5 or so threads right now)
>>44830488
This pretty much. There's not a lot of 'magical girl' in it, more like 'people who can do magic'.
>>44830355
are there even a lot of quests that really do Military and not "part of an organization that never talks to you unless plot"I'll admit I'm just burned from certain other QMs not know what the word SOP means.
>>44830488
To add onto what I said, it isn't really trying to be a Madoka-derivitive quest, but something more along the lines of Nanoha (if the QM's description of it is anything to go on). There still is suffering in it, just not OH NO MAGICAL GIRLS AREN'T CUTE GIRLS THAT CAST MAGIC BUT ARE EDGY LESBIANS YOU NEVER GUESSED THIS DID YOU?
>>44830568
> There's not a lot of 'magical girl' in it, more like 'people who can do magic'.
This really. I think the QM said that the only reason it was called that was because the MC was a middle school-aged girl that was a mage. Or in other words a "magical girl"
>>44830584
>are there even a lot of quests that really do Military and not "part of an organization that never talks to you unless plot"
Confused as to what you mean by this
>Have everything prepared to start a new quest
>Have the OP written.
>Have the pastebins made.
>Have the rules determined.
>Already running a quest.
>>44830682
Link?
>>44830625
>Confused as to what you mean by this
yeah, that was poorly worded.
Seems like plenty of people get the part right when it comes to having direct superiors and top brass somewhere up the line. They tell you what to do and give direct orders.
The problem comes when you are given vague instructions and independence is given. In theory, they trust you to know how to react and what helps further the organization's goals, but we don't know the organization as well as the character.
So how does the QM bridge that gap? Do they even bother? Some kind of SOP manual or even just military code like you get in any ROTC would be plenty help: that's why they exist.
>>44830682
I know that feeling
I've got like 3 more projects ready and waiting for when my current quest is finished, and I've already tried running 2 at a time.
It doesn't work
>>44827083
Those are some very strange names
>>44830741
The QMC should mention it mentally in text before the decision is made. Just say "back in basic they told me to do so-and-so in these kinds of situations, but..."
>>44830849
And they are strange games, but so worth it.
>>44830448
>implying Mik is a good MC
>>44830448
>shadow quest
>deserving a reward
Jesus christ why
>>44830966
>implying Mik is a bad MC
>>44830966
>>44831096
>Implying Mik is the MC
>>44829534
Would there be any interest in Silver Age superheroes?
http://www.godwars2.org/SavageWorlds/supers.php
>>44831324
I'm pretty sure there have been relatively successful capeshit quests here. Disgusting of course, but if you want to run it there are players out there.
>>44831629
>capeshit
Take you buzzwords back to Tumblr where they belong.
>>44831712
I just told you to go there.
Is Spawn too edgy?
so what quest do you hope continue? i for one would like too see more of kids and monsters from sparks or the one quest about some godling nerd with door powers
>>44832557
Broken Sky OnlineSaviourKnight ApprenticeFuck it, New MMO. Like watching a train wreck.
>>44832557
Livendagen was amazing. I don't know if it ended or if it is just on pause for the moment.
>>44832557Crusader questGoddamit HF why did you go dark on us?
>>44832557
Knight Apprentice and Quest for Arcadia are all I want.
They'll surely be back any day now.
>>44826083
>flipping a coin
>Not just selecting the option you find more interesting for the quest's plot
>>44832606
>>44832713
Knight Apprentice is dead never to return, I think one of the players made Witch Apprentice as a substitute.
>>44832642
what's that?
>>44832642
You can just ask him on twitter
QM is working on XCOM Quest now. I like it better actually. But the player base is mostly autistic and dumb as rock. They will ruin it which is already as hard as it is.
Fuck.
>>44826083
>coin flip
For what purpose anon?
Rolled 2 (1d2)
>>44834207
>>44833801
I hope I haven't done anything to spread that misunderstanding, but I should probably speak up anyway. I wouldn't like if someone were to give my quest a look because they were told it is something it isn't.
Lessons in Knighthood is one of my main inspirations for the quest, but the word 'substitute' would be false advertising. LiK is almost sacred to me, you gotta understand that, so I just try to learn from some of the things I thought made it awesome, with varying degrees of success obviously. Actively ripping it off would be sacrilege, though. Not allowed!
>>44830448
>Dumbest Player Base
That would be Banished or MGNQ.
>>44830448
>Joker for Dumbest Player Base and Best Depiction of Pure Suffering.
The best part of Joker Quest, to me, is the insanely mean-spirited subplot about Mio (and Cybele). Like, you have a girl who is waiting for her knight in shining armor to sweep her off her feet, and she falls for Joker hard. REALLY hard.
At the very end, she finds out that he's been using her for half-assed emotional compensation. To add insult to injury, he didn't even fuck her, but slept with another girl instead for even less reason.
The best part is when she learns that no-one loves her for who she is, they simply want to use her for one destructive purpose or another. Even her own mother wanted to possess her so she could get another chance at her selfish and ultimately self-destructive life.
It's the little touches that distinguish it, like the girls who were bullying her all the time turning out to actually be brave and relatively innocent in their own right. The unspoken solution was that if they'd actually bullied her to death, the current apocalypse would be averted.
>>44834355
kek
Forgive my wording!
>>44834518
>It's the little touches that distinguish it, like the girls who were bullying her all the time turning out to actually be brave and relatively innocent in their own right.
They were bullying her because she was passively sucking out their souls just by coming close to them, which prompted instinctual enmity. Joker himself experienced it and barely held himself back from telling her to fuck off.
>The unspoken solution was that if they'd actually bullied her to death, the current apocalypse would be averted.
Not really. She was part of the plan, but she wasn't actually vital to it and her part in it could've been omitted with relative ease.
>>44834518
> It's the little touches that distinguish it, like the girls who were bullying her all the time turning out to actually be brave and relatively innocent in their own right.
They mostly died horribly offscreen.
>>44834580
Yeah, it was a bit of hyperbole on my part. It doesn't change the fact that it must have really, really sucked to be Mio. Especially since she's the only girl who made all the (really emotional and a little uncomfortable) passionate confessions and bedroom eyes at Joker.
>>44830966
>>44831096
I think the point is that most Banished Quest players tend to get a bit butthurt when people say the QMC is an elf.
>>44829445
Look, I think this is worth saying: I don't think a 'traditional' magical girl quest that hews closely to Sailor Moon or Precure is going to work too well. Those shows tend to be very episodic, and also very, very feminine.
And while /tg/ likely gets an illicit thrill (Like a sex-criminal) from pretending to be a little girl, having to ACT like a girl is no fun. Anyone remembers Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne? It's fairly typical as a magical girl series, but it has extremely rapey love interests, the heroine is actually raped at one point by the villain to deprive her of her powers (it doesn't stick) and it's ultimately a heterosexual romance that uses Adam and Eve symbolism. It also outright states (By GOD, no less) "I made men to be stronger than women, because women need to be protected."
It's like making a shoujo VN into a game. You know, the kind where the heroine has to regularly be saved by shirtless and vaguely sexually threatening bishonen. /tg/ simply cannot play a Quest like that without ripping up the railroads and going berserk.
If there isn't a subversive, dark spin on it, you get an extremely milquetoast series that makes no-one happy. Since we're mostly heterosexual men here, with a few bisexuals out of sheer desperation, we want to fuck attractive women. Playing a magical girl and being cute is about wanting to manipulate a girl by proxy. Might as well be honest about it and make them love interests.
>>44835217
So how would you run a magical girl quest?
>>44835217
>Since we're mostly heterosexual men here
>>44835293
That's adorable! I want one!
>>44835285
As I've said, as love interests. A quest where you're inherently passive won't work, of course, and no-one wants to be a male Lois Lane (which is deeply emasculating).
That leaves Quests where you're some kind of superhero yourself. Alternatively, you could constantly tease yuri the way a lot of shows recently do, but really, an inherently feminine archetype doesn't lend itself to gameplay. /tg/ always plays with the male mindset, regardless.
>>44835217
>It's like making a shoujo VN into a game.
I want one of those as a quest too. I want all the super rapey male interests and I want them to put me in a cage for my own good.
>>44835329
>/tg/ always plays with the male mindset, regardless
Okay guys, how about a quest where you play as a magical girl...
Who used to be a man?? I'd call it "Breaker Quest" desu
>>44835357
You could always run a Tuxedo Kamen Quest. Personally, I always thought he kept getting brainwashed so he could try out both sides. Queen Beryl was so clearly fucking him it wasn't even subtext.
>>44835293
The yuricucks and other flaming faggots are a minority, senpai
>>44835378
I always felt that yuri fans are vaguely dishonest, since it's really about watching two girls have sex. You might as well have them in a love triangle with the MC for all it matters. It's fundamentally a male fetish.
>>44835413
>wanting love triangles
get out of here you fucking cuck
>>44835413
Love triangles are the cancer of the romance genre.
>>44835413
>have sex
Nah man, that's doing yuri wrong.
>>44835462
Really? I think it's a great way to get people interested. If you're smug and secure that the girl loves no-one else but you, you're not really invested in the romance, are you? But if someone else wants to fuck her and she might reciprocate, then suddenly there's a challenge. (Note that I'm talking about a MMF love triangle).
For a 'two girls, one guy' love triangle? Even more exciting. In Quests, what happens is forever. Who does the player pick? Shit, it's a big commitment to make. You can't go back and pick the other path.
>>44835470
When there's no sexuality in romance, it's too safe. Lesbian sex is non-penetrative, and thus doesn't have the same visceral, permanent feel of a girl getting fucked by a guy. It has to be absolutely clear she's given her 'purity' to a male character, she's now a woman, and that arc is concluded. No pussy-footing around, it's happened.
>>44832606
Will there ever be a quest as bad and a trainwreck as new mmo which survived for 10+ threads?
>>44835492
What happened in that one
>>44835482
Fuck that fast route lock is always the best way.
Anything else is asking for waifu wars and shitposting to take over the quest.
This sounds like JQOP's particular brand of bullshit.
>>44835514
>even letting them choose
Just lead them on for a few threads and force your favourite girl on them, saves you the waifu wars and still lets them think they had a choice.
>>44835502
Do you know the new quest master failure bingo?
Imagine a quest that had every single possible fault yet still survived and didn't die after the first few threads.
Rather than a quest remembered for how amazing or emotional or anything, its remembered as a complete and utter piece of shit thats a lesson in stuff you shouldn't do.
>>44835522
Starting already married works better if you can make the wife fun.
eg. convict cyborgmay it forever rest in peace.
>>44835518
Can't be him, he died.
>>44835550
He didn't die, he's just resting.
>>44835514
You know its funny. As I read more quests I've come to realize. Waifufagging doesn't hurt the quest all that much, specially if its in character. But man Anti-waifufagging sperg is x2 worse. They'll shitpost, samefag, and forsake any narrative development cause they don't like thing. That hurts a quest way more than talking about getting a romantic interest.
>routelock
>starting married
Worse than hitler
>>44835217
The girls in Precure generally aren't that passive. That said though
>Anyone remembers Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne? It's fairly typical as a magical girl series, but it has extremely rapey love interests, the heroine is actually raped at one point by the villain to deprive her of her powers
Fuck I forgot about that, that shit was hilarious. There's actually an akun quest running now using the same logic, I knew it fucking reminded me of something. I'm counting down the sessions before the players go insane with guilt and start protecting smiles.
>>44835582
Which is why route locking super fact with a defined MC works well.
Anti-waifus will either shut up or fuck off and waifu-fags have their waifu to enjoy every once in a while as the story moves on.
>read Homonculi Civilization Quest
Why is it that neckbeardians always include some weird sex shit in their homebrews?
I'm going to pitch my quest to you guys, tell me what you think.
A mix of a dystropia a la "A Brave New World"/"1984", and modern fantasy. Magic is used as a method of oppression from the government, with divinations. Routine "Detect Thoughts" spells bare used to keep the population in check by the police, which are all magical constructs with spell-casting items. Trying to learn magic would also be punished by death, and any religious need is catered by adoration to the Leader.
Basically, Kim Jong-un's wet dream, but with magic.
The story would start out with the QMC discovering that he has been secretly randomly selected for death within a few weeks by the government, due to population-trimming reasons.
>>44835582
No, you see. If quests I liked weren't tainted by waifus in the first place I wouldn't need to bitch about waifufags. Quests shouldn't be bogged down by TEE HEE relationship bullshit.
>>44835514
I honestly see most players routelock themselves.
First relatively popular girl wins, especially if she's had time to develop before any other candidates are introduced.
>>44835582
This is just confirmation bias. It's true dependent upon if the QM doesn't write romance well and actively avoids writing romantic scenes.
If the Quest itself is focused moreso on romantic things occurring, players will then fixate more on who the MC ends up with, if anyone.
You specifically refer to scenarios where waifus are just ancillary information, a sideshow to the main event. Yes, sperg lording happens in both scenarios, but the metric of badness doesn't line up here.
>>44835413
>It's fundamentally a male fetish.
Just as the contrary is a female one. Good lord, you're being spectacularly clever today!
>>44835617
Yeah but it's important to grab that player routelock early to make it official before a fight starts.
It's the easiest way to do it.
>>44835613
How would he discover that other than by waking up with a bullet (or whatever magical equivalent you want to use) in his head?
>>44835616
You must hate almost every quest then.
>>44835626
Don't be mean anon.
He must think it's some recent SJW shit or something.
>>44835651
Of course I do, wasn't /wqdt/ made for people that hate quests to bitch about them?
>>44835666
Don't think so Lucy.
>>44835666
No, and please fuck off.
>>44835654
Do you enjoy throwing a random hook to start up the shitposting?
>>44835674
Who the fuck is Lucy?
>>44835654
JQOP is basically the closest thing to alpha someone from /r9k/ can hope to be, so it really ought to be a simple matter of ignoring anything people like him have to say about relationships of sexuality, since their only experience comes in two dimensions as part of an ARG involving their right or left hands.
>>44835648
By some oversight/minor error in the government's operations.
They basically rolled a 1, and it worked in your favor.
>>44835681
>666
>Lucifer
>Lucy
Probably went a step too far there. Mah bad.
>>44835694
I didn't even notice the post number. My observational skills are negative.
>>44835682
Nah he's just a crazy from SEA.
He doesn't know how reality works.
>>44835601
I don't agree at all. In fact, I think the idea of routelock isn't really applicable to Quests and shuts off a lot of interesting developments.
Look, as a QM, the main incentive for me to keep writing is to see what you, the players, make of the story. That means that stuff has to happen. What people think routelock means is that they've committed to one girl, and now everything is okay forever on the romance front. Me, I say that's when the games REALLY begin.
VNs have routelock because they can't account for infinite possibilities. But a Quest is basically a campaign run by a DM, and a lot can happen. Shit, White Album 2 is all about how routelock doesn't work. The protagonist hooks up with the girl who's perfect for him, then realizes that the girl who's TERRIBLE for him is his true love. Then all hell breaks loose.
Off the top of my head, I can think a lot of a lot of interesting things happening after the hero picks a girl. Maybe she's been acting nice all this time, and now her true personality is coming out. Maybe the crazy girl actually stabilizes now that she has a sense of security. Or maybe the girl gets cold feet and starts fretting. You know the whole idea of leaving someone at the altar? Hell, there's a lot of new tension from just becoming a steady couple, lots of new ground to cover. Then there's a lot of awful stuff about infidelity and sexual tension, but let's not go into that just yet.
More, if the QM is going to force the players to pick, what's the point? Might as well just write a story. I argue that it's the crazy decisions and odd tangents /tg/ makes as an entity, with people constantly wresting away control in one direction or another, that makes it fun for the writer. God knows I'd have given up long ago otherwise.
You know what's really boring to a QM? When the players are playing it safe and bean-counting, or holed up in their Fortress of Solitude. That ain't gameplay, that's the part I dread when running D&D.
>>44835682
Not the same poster, actually. But for a guy, girl-on-girl is fucking hot especially if you get can get involved later.
>>44835742
Cool enjoy having shitposting and flamewars over waifus overtake your quest.
I hope you didn't want any other story to happen in it.
>>44835763
You know how ridiculous that statement would have been if you had ever run a quest.
>>44835742
Look that trussed up line of thought sounds nice, good for you, but for the autistic shitlords or the people feigning being autistic shitlords participating in your quest aren't going to behave in line with your ideal of good conduct. They're going to shitpost. They're going to add nothing of value to the conversation, samefag repeatedly and consistently troll-vote out of petty spite when things don't go their way.
Waifus shouldn't even vaguely be the focus of a Quest. It'd be nice if relationship focused endeavors like that could work, but they can't, so why bother?
>>44835763
Which quests got ruined due to waifus for you anon.
You seem really cynical and jaded.
>>44835763
The story is what you make of it, and so are the waifus. When players are arguing, they've invested and trying to make things happen. I would argue that the only time things would grow cancerous if it's a big harem where everyone is happily receiving the D.
I mean, have you ever seen two women compete for the same guy? It's vicious.
>>44835776
I highly doubt you do either.
>>44835654
>>44835682
And here come the cuckolds with their textbook tumblrshit to defend their self-hating fetish.
>>44835778
That's why you have to use your best judgment. Look, I know what you mean, really I do. It's why I've never used the word 'katana' or 'fedora' in a Quest, ever, because they're basically jokes now.
It can be done. Really.
>>44835789
>Muh buzzwords.
Did I stumble into /v/?
>>44835789
Just go back to /pol/, man. Or /r9k/.
>>44835789
Fuck off anti-/u/ you guys are the most insane autistic fuckholes on this board
>>44835789
>>44835805
>>44835809
Oh god, I'm so sorry.
>>44835813
Fuck off back to /pol/ and don't come back.
>>44835763
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>>44835801
>>44835803
>>44835805
>>44835809
>2016
>Still this bitter about SWQ
>>44835813
Don't apologize, don't compromise, LIVE YO' LIFE, YOU BIG GAY BANANA, YOU!
>>44835502
>>44835538
What really got me was how the premise was based on Moonlight Sculptor, ie. MC is a horrible shitstain whose only redeeming trait is literally insane levels of spiteful hard work.
So in a quest about deliberately powergaming an MMO to be the best most awesomest dude.....we have a character with stat allocations every which way, horribly overleveled with neither job, gear, or any kind of game plan to kill any sort of mob, and have extremely conflicting NPC allies who are liable to kill each other and thus waste the time we spent getting them to like us, while utterly wasting the few mary sue unique powers we got granted.
If maxmin was the opposite of minmax, that was the character. You literally could not do worse deliberately trying to make a bad build, because we accidentally found hidden/locked skills to make it so.
>>44835823
And here is your (You).
Don't spend it all in one place alright?
>>44835823
Why are you quoting me? A serious case of tripfag retardation?
>>44835803
>>44835805
>>44835809
Sorry that I'm ruining your anonymous vacation from 10bux and tumblr.
>>44835783
Harems are fantasies that generally people who have never had sex have. They don't like actual character development, or individual things about characters, they just want to have a whole gaggle of bitches at their beck and call, regardless of how those bitches actually interacted with eachother. They want to be the perfect center of that group in the way they cannot possibly be in real life.
Most "harems" in real life are usually done in places where the women are more or less forced into it under the threat of violence. Basically by alpha males with money or power, things the average quest reader doesn't have.
Harems are shit, and are desired by shitty readers.
>>44835861
Don't you have a banana to be cramming up your ass?
>>44835861
What the fuck are you even talking about?
>people actually responds to JQOP's autism
Fucking hell people, will you retards ever stop doing shit like this?
I bet you're all the same people that used to go on and on about how Hex's writing was 'super trippy' as well, both things show about the same level of intelligence.
>>44835877
>>44835880
He wants you to go to some other sub, like R9K or JP you idiots.
>>44835880
He's claiming the dude is a goon, a hip new thing that /r9k/ and infinity chan refugees like to do whenever someone dares to disagree with them
I don't like waifus. If the interaction feels too deliberately stinted towards cheap romance, I stop voting entirely. I lurk a bit, until I reach the point where I just stop caring and never come back.
>>44835892
What the fuck are you even talking about? (Part 2)
Did I stumble on some part of spooky or something?
>>44835897
>H-he's from <scapegoat of the week> okay!
>Don't listen to him when he ou- claims I'm a goon, which I'm not, even though I used a term only SA posters use!!
>>44835892
>Hex's writing was 'super trippy'
Was this from Hexer quest? Becuase it's chuuni through and through with not much else.
>>44835920
>even though I used a term only SA posters use!!
Not even remotely true, hardly a surprise coming from someone like you.
>>44835947
Yeah. That was basically the only thing people would say about it and would completely refuse the possibility that it wasn't.
>>44835952
Sure, sure. Go slide /pol/ more.
>/v/ /r9k/ /pol/ /cancerchan/ bogeyman
>shitlords
>virgin nerds
How much more proof do you need about /u/fags and buttmad antiwaifufags being subhuman cross-siters? It's literally almost the same posts every time.
I don't know who is shitposting who anymore.
>/u/
New to this sub, can someone explain to me the appeal of this fetish?
It just seems so..
I don't know, safe? Like, why even bother if there aren't any dicks?
>>44835976
Jettisson the thread.
>>44835991
But dicks pollute a girl's purity and make my wee-wree feel funny.
>>44835991
>I've been found out, time to slide it
>>44836039
Ah, I see. So it's just for immature virgins, like /jp/ and /r9k/ are?
>>44836047
Anon, what's sliding?
>>44836069
There's basically nothing wrong with watching two girls or two guys or a guy and a girl having sex. Sex is fun and good, and trying to be in a militant camp about what sort of sex you prefer is usually the bailiwick of Republicans or virgins.
>>44836138
>Sex is fun and good
MODS MODS MODS
>>44836138
Exactly anon, you do you and have a good time.
>>44836138
Except faggotry and dykes invites the cancer in.
>>44836243
You know where you ought to go.
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>>>44836302
>>>44836302
XCOM thread is up, come and say hello.
>>44832642
Hello anon.
It is on haitus at the moment, I do have plans for it, don't worry.
What's up with the rampant shitpost in this thread?
Joker vs Maria the chaosbringer
Who would win in a fight?
I'm going to be running my first quest tonight. Would anyone mind posting the image with the big first time mistake bingo list?
>>44835742
>The protagonist hooks up with the girl who's perfect for him, then realizes that the girl who's TERRIBLE for him is his true love.
>hating Kazusa
Shit taste.
>>44836487
Maria hasn't even done anything yet.
>>44836801
>shit taste
Would you expect anything else from JQOP?
>>44836855
She's about to steam roll a demon though
>>44836801
That part also bothered me. The whole reason there's so much fucking drama in the story and why the MC turns into such a shitter is because Setsuna's the one who tried to break up him and Kazusa despite being fully aware that the two were already in love with each other. The reason route-lock didn't work was not because of the MC's choices, but because he was manipulated into losing his agency until he became aware there was a choice in the first place.
>>44836138
>nothing wrong with watching two guys or a guy and a girl having sex
>nothing wrong
>nothing
>>44830267
I refused to bother with it back when it was edgy magical girl garbage
Citizen God Quest later today boyos.
God of hand-holding Episode 2.
>>Meanwhile in IBO
>>shipping off main girl to a side character
>>forcing the Peace Princess to be shipped with the main character despite having no chemistry or interaction
If this were done on /tg/ people would have a shitfit.
But if the quest has like only 3-5 posters then the QM can force anything and the posters will just quietly vote.
>>44834141
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=livendagen
>>44837960
IBO sucks, Nips hate it and normies like it, fuck off back to /m/ thanks.
>>44819784
Where is Brine.
>>44837775
What is that?
>>44838269
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Citizen%20God
romance/slice of life a shit
>>44819784
REMOVE MORALFAG REMOVE MORALFAG YOU ARE WORST NORMIE
>>44838741
What a coincidence since anti-moralfags are the worst non-normies.
>>44835582
>They'll shitpost, samefag, and forsake any narrative development cause they don't like thing.
That's usually what is people bitch about when they mention waifu wars and waifufaggotry. Just look at Princess Guard Quest and how people would avoid plot hooks or developing the MC because CAN'T TRIP THAT RELATIONSHIP FLAG, DON'T WANNA GET ROUTE LOCKED WITH THAT GIRL and other such bullshit
>>44835610
Context?
Does anyone even still use SA? I mean you have to pay for it. I'd be surprised if it has more than a dozen regulars.
>>44838955
I just went around to look at it and it seems to have six and a half thousand people logged in right now. Don't know how accurate that is.
>>44835617
>First relatively popular girl wins
What if the girls introduced later on are more interesting and capable?
Ie, first popular girl is not-Relena/not-Kudelia and then midway thru the quest, not-Aila falls into our lap?
How do I introduce important, but romancable and more interesting girls later on? If these girls are stronger and have to be introduced later on because game balancing?
>>44828524
>space opera
Merc's and those two other space colony/something other adventures?
>>44839153
Introduce them fairly early, just don't have their full potential available right away. Make it a gradual process.
>>44839227
>they still choose to waifu the ineffectual, boring as fuck damsel
>consider the more interesting ones as bro-tier instead and not for lewds
ten bucks says /tg/ will do exactly this
On a side note, why are SEAfags so risk-averse and timid?
feel free to join
>>44839162
>>44838901
>CAN'T TRIP THAT RELATIONSHIP FLAG, DON'T WANNA GET ROUTE LOCKED WITH THAT GIRL
Routelocking is retarded shit, who would've thought.
>>44839348
But they do it even when routelocking isn't even a thing. The incessant need to maintain the status quo in spite of all character development can hamstring quests sometimes.
#BlackLivesMatter Quest when?
>>44839348
>Routelocking is retarded shit
The alternative isn't much better, facing write-ins of DUMP CURRENT GF SHE A SLUT WHY ARE WE NOT DATING BEST GIRL every vote.
>>44839497
God what quest communities are you part of? I've never had that happen.
>>44839496
Oregan Militia Quest when?
