Hey, I've recently started experimenting with voodoo by myself from information I've largely found off google books.
I've found it seems to work! >I've built a Veve to Papa Legba in my closet. (pic related)
>made a lil shrine behind the door with his colours and some candy, a straw hat and some toys.
>and have carried out the invitation chant I found to 'open the gates..' etc. >During I started rocking and my hand which I draw a smaller veve on (pic related) started tingling a lot!
>I only have one shrine to papa Legba so I couldn't do a lot, but I slightly altered a healing chant I found with a blue candle to stop me being tired
>I couldn't yawn for days after which is interesting.
But there isn't a lot of information out there, (a lot because those cultures tend to be non-english speaking and secretive). I found it especially difficult to find voodoo rituals related to success at work, and many rituals i have found are very complicated and involve a lot of specialist I want to say 'ingredients'.
I was wondering if anyone had experience with voodoo at all, or any tips or rituals they have carried out which have found effective. If anyone has knowledge of legitimate sources of information as well, that will be very welcome!
Leave black magic for blacks the only way for westerners is hermetics
What is it with fat girls and magic?
Watch Coven again it's all in there
>>17770302
Aha i don't know! But I'm not fat m8, it's the picture resizing xD
>>17770312
I've tried! ..it's not
>>17770380
Show us your glorious form
>>17770252
Harry Potter doesn't really do it for me but, thanks for the input
>>17770388
>>17770401
Crikey
>>17770302
Yo bro, dont laugh about her fat hands, she would do a great meaty handjob.
>>17770247
i dont help white people, figure it out yourself.
>>17770546
>>17770550
not american, so trump can kiss my ass.
>>17770557
He'll be coming for you soon enough, shitskin.
>>17770523
What can I say? Pink's my colour!
>>17770542
Thanks.. I think
>>17770546
Appreciate your help m8
>>17770401
Not american fat, but fat and fugly worldwide (wide lol)
>>17770629
What are you on about? xD
>>17770674
> xD
Please stop making femanons look retarded.
>>17770558
cool story, is that what trumpcucks tell themselves to feel they still have control of their country? last i saw you were overunned by hispanics and mass shootings.
>>17770247
Ha
>implying demons can do anything remotely interesting
>>17770709
Sure, I'll try my best
...
' :D '
>>17770796
I don't know what demons do! The things that I'm tryna do aren't demon business. I think something happened and I was surprised that it did t bh but even if you are a total skeptic, the possibility of a placebo effect would still be helpful.
>>17770780
>not white
You're either a lower class citizen in your country and everyone hates you or you live in a shit hole
Either way I pity your nigger ass
>>17770834
If you're gonna be a dick, go to /r9k dipshit! There's nothing paranormal about a shitty attitude
>>17770302
Magic takes a shitload of energy (especially when you're a n00b and inefficient), and the easiest way to get it is to eat a lot. Unfortunately, the physical aspect of the food works strictly according to the laws of physics so you end up a hamplanet.
This has been your serious answer/warning of the day.
>>17770839
Cry more Miguel.
>>17770823
I tried to do something related and then had bad experiences for a while but then they kinda wore off until recently.
>>17770896
Bad experiences? ..Shit! Care to elaborate?
>>17770933
diarrhea
>>17770941
lol
>>17770941
Sorry you had a crappy experience!
The only correct answer
>>17770834
its not cool to be white anymore. being a white male equals being effeminate, a pussy and a cuck. calm down before i go over there and make your wife leave you, you an buy your own materials for the cuck shed and have the mexicans build it for you since youre not manly enough to do so.
>>17771008
Have fun dodging those bullets wafoob
>>17771008
>its not cool to be white anymore. being a white male equals being effeminate, a pussy and a cuck.
>implying jewish inspired beta cucks and leftists make up the majority instead of a small vocal minority amplified by a complicit media.
You wish you were white. Hows that internet doing for you and the computer you use it on faggot? Enjoying the benefit of the white man while bitching about it - and you wonder why you shitskins are despised by us?
These dirty non whites mistake the dragons slumber for its death throes. Keep poking it with sticks and its gonna wake up and scorch the earth. Even now, all over the white world, in europe and america, the right wing is gaining massive numbers. A paradigm shift is happening and the false egalitarian ideaologys facade is crumbling.
Also voodoo is pretty nigger tier as magick goes. Icelandic necromancy and Abramelin squares are where its at.
>>17770247
I will give you this one and only warning, girl. Do NOT fuck with black magic. You will attach demons or unwanted spirits to your being. They will torment you, unless you get help to clear them away.
>>17771045
Kill yourself, gaylord.
>>17771023
my country isnt a crime ridden shit hole like america, enjoy your mass shootings.
>>17771052
I am not making jokes here. This happened to my cousin. She was tormented for months by a spirit-thing as a result from trying this dark magic.
>>17771058
>nigra
>not living in a crime ridden shit hole
You aren't fooling anyone
>>17771043
LOL, looks like a struck a nerve cucky. i do not wish to be white, i can have all the benefits of being white without having to including your women. glad youll soon be out breeded because all of you are too pussy to do anything. LOL america is overridden with hispanics and europe with muslims. your delusions are hilarious. vodou is top tier and a practice that will never die unlike your gay ass icelandic viking buffoonery.
>>17771066
blacks cant live in europe, right?. look at sweden your women throw themselves at us while we use them up and give you damaged goods to marry. all you can do id sulk and shit post on 4chan, so carry on brave keyboard warrior. maybe if you call me a nigger enough times itll start to hurt LOL.
>pretending to be black on the Internet
>>17771084
They can but they are hated, see >>17770834
>>17770247
hello OP sorry about all the negative and troll posts, this is a very difficult subject to discuss on 4chan. I've some information for you.
> (a lot because those cultures tend to be non-english speaking and secretive)
While it is an initiatory rite, most of the reason there is no solid information, is because of how it is structured. There is no dogmatic central church to canonize beliefs, and so, practices will differ wildly from place to place. Its incredibly difficult to write an authoritative work, because theres no authority!
>many rituals i have found are very complicated and involve a lot of specialist I want to say 'ingredients'.
Like the other traditions in the diaspora, and honestly, most animist folk traditions, this is sort of the role of your mambo/houngan/rootworker to do for you, so that you dont need to keep 2000 jars of various herbs and spices laying around for your work.
I want to caution and advise you on a few things first though. Firstly, do realize that all of the diaspora faiths are based heavily in reverence of our ancestors. You will need to start working with your ancestral spirits with an ancestral altar. I would even say that you need to do that before you work with Papa Legba. Your ancestors are your intercessors and guides on that side, youll need them. As for Legba, he is a warm, genial and generally polite if he's not playing a trick, but even when doing so, it's usually just to teach you a lesson and not out of malice.
I do have to warn you though, that the veve on your hand does not belong to Legba it belongs to the baron... cimitere/samedi/etc. one of the ghede lwa. Working with the Ghede is a very different proposition from working with Legba, Also, drawing a veve on your body, or especially tattooing it, depending on location is considered an act of deep commitment to a specific lwa, and I might encourage you to reconsider that.
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>>17771094
Beyond Milo Rigaud's "Secrets of Voodoo" and "Ve-Ve Diagrammes Rituels du Voudou" you're not going to find much (both can be found in thoths library on /omg/ along with some other, slightly less credible works). Further exploration is really going to require a mambo or houngan. (depending on which diaspora path you follow, their title may be something else.)
My advice is to do the work with your ancestors as your guides, Legba works with and for and through everyone, so working with him is not a problem. Working with your ancestors and Legba, on it's own for the standard person should be more than enough to keep you busy.
I would really recommend that you speak with a mambo or a rootworker if you want to get any more involved with it though.
>>17771075
nigger pls
Enjoy the swing to the right that is happening in most white countries thanks to our retarded left bringing their pet savages in then using the full arm of big government to make them a protected minority despite their inability to behave like anything other than the subhumans they are.
The only reason shitskins are allowed to walk round with this sense of arrogant entitlement is because the jewish subverted left are protecting you with the government and its iinstitutions. Once that privilege is rescended (and it will be,this siutation of millions of illiterate subhuman shitskins flooding into civilised first world countries and leaching the welfare state off the backs of the native populace is untenable) you will come to understand the folly of your words.
Make no mistake, interlopers in europe are hated by the majority and the muzzle of political correctness is starting to slip as more and more people are voting right. They had to fiddle the recent Austrian election to keep the right out of power and brexit will soon happen (too many want to leave for them to fuck the ballot easily) l and that will cause other countries to leave the failing EU and its tolerance bullshit.
tolerance has been tested by goatfuckers, congoids and other subhuman filth swarming into mother europa and defiling her, too dumb to see that they are the tool of globalist jews.
Once the likes of merkel are hanged and daddy government are hanging from lamposts or in the hague for genocide against the white europeans, then special protection shitskin invaders currently enjoy will be gone and the full fury of the put upon white male populace will be unleashed.
Niggers just chimp out and burn their own areas down, kebab does terrorism but when whites goto war whole continents shake and whole races are wiped out.
A single angry white man is a force to behold and worth 1000+ shitskins and we have many angry white men. Look at Timothy McVey and Sir Anders Breivik.
>>17771045
Thank you but, voodoo's not necessarily black magic. That's only a small weird part of it like how Mormons are to Christianity. I'm not tryna call Baron Samedi to turn people into zombies or stick pins in cushions or anything, just innocent stuff like for health and good luck
>>17771140
If this is OP posting this, you have a LOT of studying to do before Id recommend you even talk about this subject. Just your conceptions about "black" magic (race or morality) and Who the Baron is, what a zombie is or is not and pins in "cushions" shows a very fundamental disconnect with the concepts of the diaspora.
>>17770397
Harry potter is as far from hermetics as you can go. Or you can try alchemy or if you dont want to ise your brain then go for goetia or some form of shamanism
>>17771100
I typed my full response out.. then my phone died so, hold on
>>17770302
Women are stupid, gullible philistines.
>>17771186
That was me. I responded in that way because I assumed the comment amount 'black magic' meant that I would try to meddle in a westernized version of bokor magic which does include the creation of zombies. I was intending to distance myself from the 'pins in cushions' aspect of voodoo.
>>17771281
I assumed you were trolling. If you were offering legitimate advice, thank you! I'll look into it.
the only bit of information i've to offer you is this:
if you are willing (and if you are truly devoted to this for legitimate reasons), then you will look inside yourself for a multitude of things. without hiding you should first assess your reasoning for performing voodoo magik. there is no right reason or wrong reason. voodoo magiks do not discriminate between the two.
innately mankind was made able to channel magikal energy (inclusive of that of voodoo) so you need not go anywhere in pursuit of such knowledge.
again, if you are devoted then it will all come to you in time.
>>17771310
>bokor magic
not the same thing.
>which does include the creation of zombies.
In hollywood maybe.
> distance myself from the 'pins in cushions' aspect of voodoo.
What you're talking about here is doll babies, or poppets. Theyre as much a staple of "good" magic as they are of "evil" magic.
But the primary thing that Im saying here is that the concepts of "good" and "evil" dont really exist in the diaspora, there is no black and white magic. They separate things sometimes into "hot" and "cool" but they're entirely different concepts.
Id advise further stufy into the backgrounds of the diaspora, and how they view the world cosmologically, it really is not compatible with most western beliefs.
>>17771094
Thank you, the troll posts don't bother me, they bump the thread!
Firstly the veve on my hand I drew because Samedi's is the most complicated of all of them and I wanted to see if I could do it justice, I haven't attempted any rituals with links to samedi! The veve pictured here is the one I've used.
>no central church
>practices differ wildly
Yes! Completely! But I don't think the variety is too problematic, it's human and I think as long as there's a uniting symbolism, it's still faithful to the same powers.
>mambo/ houngan/ rootworker
Unfortunately I'm currently acting as my own. Though I do have quite the spice rack so, I make do!
>reverence of ancestors
You're right, I have read that, though my background is quite scattered, I'm not sure how to begin with an altar. I could find pictures? But on a related note, while I was staying at a family home, I saw what my grandma believed to be the ghost of my great great grandmother. I'm not sure on how effective contact would be cross-continentally though.
>Legba
I do like Legba as a character, he's quite a comforting presence. I thought he'd be a relatively safe Rada to interact with. I found that drawing his veve on my hand in his colours helps connect to Papa Legba a lot more especially as I'm doing it by myself, and it's taken as a compliment, invitation to the Rada. But I would not tattoo!!
>books
I have found "Secrets of voodoo" to be very useful! I haven't come across the other but thoths library?
I do want to want say thank you for advice! I appreciate it takes a lot of time to write this out on 4chan, but you seem very well informed on the subject. I would love it if you could tell me anything else about working with ancestors, but any more insight on the subject would be very welcome!
>>17771334
My motivation is simply curiosity. I think there's more to humanity than science has to offer and I wanted to test that. I'm not devoted to voodoo as a route to this but it's interesting to me now. I do think there's something in the practices that people have devoted energy to, so that's why i'm researching them.
>>17771423
thank you dennis
>>17771338
I have done my research, that's how I came across the bokor 'zombie' practice. I used I as an example because it's clearly at the extreme of the 'bad' or 'black magik' end of the spectrum and so would be sticking pins in a doll to cause a person pain. By using those examples I wasnt trying to express my own knowledge of the diaspora, but was trying to make it clear my interest in voodoo was not based off those Western perception of the practice, and my motivations are not to hurt people.
Thank you for the advice though, I appreciate that you take the thread seriously.
>>17771494
Dennis?
>>17771423
>I don't think the variety is too problematic
No, really it is helpful to keep the faith(s) vibrant, relevant and not dogmatic.
>it's still faithful to the same powers.
This is not QUITE how it works, but you're on the right path here. Bascially, they arent the SAME powers, theyre different, but they come from the same power. Palo Mayombe talks about this... essentially if a bush has a magic property, and you cut two branches from it, each of those branches contain the same spirit and magic as the bush. I give you one and you wrap it in red ribbon and name it Jane, I wrap mine in blue ribbon and name it Janet. They ARE different sticks with different imagery or names, but they are ultimately from the same bush, and are on a ore fundamental level, the same stick. So it is with gods, spirits and all other things.
>Unfortunately I'm currently acting as my own.
I understand, it is worth looking into though, especially if you live in the south and can find a congregation to speak with.
>I'm not sure how to begin with an altar.
You know better than you think you do. It's not terribly complicated, a white cloth, pictures of, or objects which were important to your passed loved ones. A glass of clean clear water, a coupe white candles. Once a week, light the candle(s) up, refesh the water, maybe put out some of their favorite food and then spend time with your ancestors. Talk to them as if they are there, feel them, work with them. Chat for awhile like any other get together. Its not much more complicated than that, and your intuition and they will guide you.
Importantly though do not have images of LIVING people on the altar, that is a nono. Also, keep the altar clean and orderly, this is their home, and their space, show them reverence and appreciation and theyll return the favor, you are serving them as guests in your home, that's the basic feel you want.
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>>17771584
>I'm not sure on how effective contact would be cross-continentally though.
They're crossing the liminal thresholds of life and death, they're not concerned with location if you're not.
>Legba...I thought he'd be a relatively safe Rada to interact with.
Well he is, in fact in most diaspora faiths everyone has different lwa that theyre supposed to work with but EVERYONE has legba, he is universal. He is required to open the gate and speak with the other lwa, he is a guide, a guard, a teacher and more. You will ultimately need to work with him regardless, so you know... buy some popcorn. As for drawing his veve on you, theres a reason its connecting you stronger, you're sending a glowing neon beacon sign that you want a closer relationship, and he's bringing it. But realize that this is a two way street, and you are supposed to be serving the spirits and the ancestors as much or more than they are serving you. If you keep him very close, hell need you for things, like any really good close friend. Id do some research on what pleases legba in different traditions (or exu, or Ellegua or his other syncretic faces) and make sure to stay on his good side... be helpful to travelers, both literal and metaphorical, be kind and generous, be of service, care for the weak and the infirm. Be a guide on the road with him, and for him.
>thoths library?
over here:
>>17745817
As for general advice, honestly this is not a dogmatic practice, there are certain superstitions, certain caveats and things that you may wish to follow but ultimately, it's going to be your ancestors who intercede for you and help to tell you what needs to be done on the spiritual side of things (since that is where they are), they will guide you if you spend time to serve them and be with them and honor them in death.
>>17771501
>>17771501
Fair enough, the only reason I was so stern about it, is that the biggest problem facing any of the diaspora faiths, or honestly ANY non abrahamic faith right now, is the constant uphill battle against ignorance or misinformed opinions and supposition. Part of practicing any of these beliefs (diaspora or not) is dispelling misconceptions against a tide of misinformation.
>>17771616
Your sternness was fair! I was using a stereotype but by my use of it, I was intending to show that people do make assumptions but that I was hoping not to follow them. Sorry for not being clear
>>17770247
I've been attacked by "vodoun" personally by a puppet/devil/lizard and I'll just warn you if you haven't been warned already, practicing "magic" is the easiest and most foolish way to send your soul to Hell. You are quite literally selling your soul just by practicing it.
Surah 2:102
>>17770252
You may laugh but there's a devil that's currently worse than Satan and his name is Young Thug, he's the antichrist, the beast from the Revelation.
He's a necromancing tentacle monster just like Satan with multiple puppets.
>>17771666
trips confirms... lol
>>17771659
abrahamic hell doesn't exist, your threats of it mean nothing. Thanks for your input, go "contribute" your fucking death threats, torture, and murder somewhere else.
>>17771676
already too late lol
>>17771584
>same powers
Ah! Again sorry for being vague, what I meant was all the leaves have the same roots, along the lines of what you said.
> find a congregation
Aha well the closest to voodoo in London is a club on the Southbank
>altar
I have a couple white candles already but the water I haven't heard before, I like that!
Don't worry, I wasn't thinking living people! More black and white Victorian. But guests in my home, that's very useful!
>liminal thresholds
I do feel there is physical significance with spiritual places. But what you've said does make me think!
I do kinda need a glowing beacon! But one time when I was reading in the room with Legba's shrine, I saw a thin, shadowy, bent over figure come out of the closet with Legba's shrine and kinda melt into the wall. I haven't read anything about similar, it that normal?
>ancestors who intercede
Even with the shrine, I'm a little wary on how they'd communicate back with me? I can chat to them like a friend of course! But do they 'chat' back?
>thoth's
Thank you for the link! I'll look into it
I don't want to be invasive, but I haven't come across someone who's knows their shit as much as you seem to. Would it be alright if I gave you my contact details in case something goes wrong and need someone to freak out to?
>>17771659
Attacked?! What do you mean? ..Physically?
And as for hell, I don't really mind, my soul's pretty cloudy anyway!
>>17771732
>all the leaves have the same roots, along the lines of what you said.
something like that, but it's more that every root, every leaf, every stick, IS the bush, even if it only looks like a small piece of it. And no matter what you call it. But I think you get the idea.
> London
That could be a bummer, but you do have a large immigrant population, do you not have some west or south african communities? Might be a place to look.
>the water I haven't heard before, I like that!
in voodoo and most diaspora faiths, the lwa, and the ancestors need to be fed. This is not a literal feeding as the energy they draw doesnt come from physically consuming water or food, it is the energy of the service and honor. Keeping their water fresh is a nice gesture, if you have family members/friends that have passed who liked a certain kind of liquor, or food, you can leave that out as well ocasionally (just never let it get stale and old, if YOU wouldnt eat it, dont leave it on the altar any longer). Basically by lighting the candles you're saying "I want to hang out guys" they come, you pour them water or drinks like any get together, you sit, you talk, you hang out, when you're done you say thanks, you blow out the candle and youre done. They just want to be with you, to be remembered to be honored and revered.
> I wasn't thinking living people
Mainly I say this because you don't want a picture of say, your passed grandma, and your living mother on the altar. Keep images of living persons off the altar.
>physical significance with spiritual places
well thats something else entirely, they may have a stronger connection to certain places, but that doesn't prevent them from going where they wish.
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>>17771771
>thin, shadowy, bent over figure come out of the closet
Well that does, actually sound a bit like some of the legba forms. He may have been telling you to get him out of the closet! Generally shrines to Papa are put up in the corners of a house (a metaphorical crossroads) or behind the door of your home (guardian of gates and passages) or at the gate to a village (same) he may be feeling cramped in there.
> I can chat to them like a friend of course!
That's what Id recommend. "Hey grandma, miss you, I passed my exams this week, Im going on vacation next week so Ill be away..." etc. Really this is about maintaining the connection with your lost loved ones and making sure they are honored on the other side, a well fed, well loved, well respected ancestor has more power on the other side with which to intercede for you and to advise you.
>But do they 'chat' back?
I swear sometimes Ive heard them literally, but mostly its a feeling, you know how they sound, you know what they would say, its a "feeling" but I HAVE had some weird experiences. Ive even had complete strangers come up and offer aid in some way and then say something that is so impossibly similar to my loved one that I cant help but feel it's more than coincidental. Basically, they get back to you through intuition, feeling and "coincidence" just like all magic.
> Would it be alright if I gave you my contact details
sure, drop an email, ill write you.
>>17771771
>Every root, every leaf
Yeah that's exactly what I mean!
>west/south African communities.
Yeah! We have them, but they don't tend to advertise voodoo meetups!
>not a literal feeding
>If you wouldn't eat it..etc
That's good advice! I'll have to do some awkward family research but you're right, it is important to honour them
> living people
Don't worry, I wouldn't even consider putting living people! Why would I if I can just talk to them directly
> wouldn't prevent them from going where they wish
That's a good point!
Papa Legba
>well in the geography of the room, the closet is directly behind the door as it opens and also the closet door, I thought he'd like it. To add to it, the space is also situated in the corner of the room and the closet door always kept slightly ajar. When I did see the figure, I got a feeling he was just chillin, uninterested in me or the rest of the room.
>well fed, well loved, well respected
I know what you mean.
>heard them literally
Wow! You're lucky, that must have been really striking.
>feel it's more than coincidental
Yes! With my limited experience, I have noticed a lot of 'odd coincidences'. That's really helpful, I think I know a little more what to expect.
Thanks, my email is
[email protected]
>>17771858
>they don't tend to advertise
Well, no and that will be no different in most places. Go looking for the botanica/herb shop/witchy goods store, and inquire.
>Why would I
Well no, not intentionally, for instance i have a great picture of my passed grandmother who Id like to have a picture on the altar of, but the only one I have, she is with my still living grandfather, so I cant use that picture, you see?
>I got a feeling he was just chillin,
That honestly sounds like a fine place for it, he might have just been waving and passing through. If it wasn't upsetting, I wouldn't worry about it, smile that you had such an interesting experience.
>must have been really striking.
It was more of a "did I just hear something?" kind of thing. Only happened once or twice, and I could chalk it up to ears playing tricks on me... maybe.
>my email is
will shoot you off a quick letter here this evening after some errands, take care!
>>17771884
>botanica/herb witchy places
That's not a bad idea! But then again here, a lot of those places tend to be run my middle-aged, hippie, white women now.
>can't use that picture
Ok, I know what you mean now! I'll take care. That made me smile, a little nostalgia.
>more of a "did I just hear something?"
That's exactly how it was with the shadowy figure! The words 'Did I just see something?' Probably did run through my head. Hearing that makes a lot of sense!
>last comment
Thank you! You too, I'll likely be asleep by then but your experiences do resonate a lot .
I'm hoping this is the right place to ask, I'm in need of a vengeance spell, and it's hard to wade through the bs online. Voodoo or hoodoo is my best bet.
My best friend's nieces are being abused by their mother and stepfather, and I need something to get them to stop. Anything is possible, cause illness, harm, death, ect, and my friend and I are willing to take any punishment or blowback from such a spell. We're also willing to hunt down the proper ingredients. Magic is my only resort, we've tried going to the police/child services but the parents find ways around it all.
Hoping I can get some decent answers, thanks in advance anons!
>>17770834
This one could be challenged, sharp, perhaps both.
>>17770880
This board is anonymous, there has to be a reason Latin is being eyeballed.
>>17771075
>>17771135
Under 18 can not post on this board. Check out the rules page, technically the thread itself lacks spook. Then again black finger nails.
Quit drawing on yourself with a sharpie.
>>17770247
>I found it especially difficult to find voodoo rituals related to success at work
>niggers
>work
>>17770546
This is common actually. My friend works with a haitian (we got lots of these in Quebec) and i told him to ask him about zombies.
He said the guy turned white as a norwegian and said "you're not black enough for me to tell you about those things"
>>17771676
>abrahamic hell doesn't exist
[citation needed]
>magic is real but hell isin't btw im 12 and am so tired of my parents bringing me to church fucking christfags xD
>>17772454
the police
>>17770247
That was a really good thread, please come back and report some more. I liked the idea of same origin different names, makes more than just one religion being right
>>17773095
more sense*
its very fucking late
>>17772454
I tend to agree with:
>>17773092
get the cops involved directly
but if you really want magic (especially hoodoo), Id recommend going as light as you can until results are accomplished since its offensive magic. Id personally be looking into a hotfoot spell if youre thinking hoodoo, then work up to heavier stuff if needed.
>>17772992
>abrahamic hell does exist
[citation needed]
seriously fuck off with your "logic" you're an embarrassment. Im fine with you believing that it exists, just stop shoving your torture porn down other peoples throats, you're gross.
>>17773095
>>17773098
>same origin different names
Its not necessarily same "origin" but it is the same source. The more you look into syncretic practices, the more you realize that there's a universal language of these forces and powers, and that many figures from completely different peoples, are very similar, you can find similar themes from western Europe, to Africa, to South America to Egypt. These get to a point where you question how much is coincidence.
>>17771135
refute my arguement instead of calling me names.
protip:
You cant
>>17772949
Oh I have! Sharpie doesn't allow for nearly enough detail, but thanks
>>17772492
Hey, I'm the OP, those comments aren't from me. Just people who got lost on their way to /pol. Sorry about that
>>17773483
>implying board intersection does not exist
/pol/acks are everywhere. Identitarianism, nationalism and edgy non-pc humour is the new counter culture. Its no longer cool to be a leftycuck faggot. What you are seeing is the antithesis to the summer of 68'rs and the antidote to the rabid millenial sjw shit weve been inundated with these past few years.
>>17773511
You're right, the boards do intersect!
But still I have no idea what being an asshole has to do with voodoo
>>17770546
Niggers gonna nig
>>17773555
Nor I. However, >>17771008 's insinutation that
>"being a white male equals being effeminate, a pussy and a cuck",
needed answering. If anything, blame that poster for being a provocative dick.
>>17773610
Aha yeah I do blame him for that dick statement, but his shitty bait bumps the thread so.. Don't care
>>17773639
Did you find any useful info about voodoo btw?
EA Koetting has some stuff on Hatian Voudoun that might be worth checking out
https://youtu.be/86Nyp9dxMNo
>>17772975
Yeah that's sad, but it doesn't surprise me. There is a long history of western suppression of the voodoo religion during the slave trade, forcing Catholicism as a substitute and many had to practice in secret. It kinda makes sense there'd be a lingering mistrust of western interest in voodoo.
>>17773095
>>17773808
Thanks, I'm glad you take the thread seriously! I had to fix up my Legba veve, it's not perfect, but I can post a picture.
Took a while, but this is my finished veve to Papa Legba. It's made with a powder, I think a mix of sorghum flour, cornstarch and coffee grains. I'll put some red candy in 3's, a straw hat and maybe a pipe around later.
I'm trying reallyy hard not to mess it up again coz it takes fucking ages! xD
>>17770247
Lol. You drew on your hand with a pen.
can anyone recommend any quality voodoo books?
>>17775310
I did yeah! You have a talent for observation
>>17775332
A poster did! Search the thread for 'thoth'
>>17775421
well so they did
thank you anon
>>17775428
Of course!
Also just search 'voodoo' in google books and tonnes of shit is useful! The Haitian book with the picture of the doll on the cover especially
>>17773563
white people gonna bitch...
Is it actually a religion? Or is it a 'practise' like meditation is to Buddhism?
>>17773092
>>17773160
They've tried the cops, the kids aren't allowed to talk to them or answer the door when the parents aren't home, and the parents won't let them in. They called child protective services, the parents didn't let the kids talk to them either, and the officer had to be retarded to not see the red flags. They're also worried that the girls would get raped in foster care.
Thank you for the help though, I'll have to put in more research.
>>17770247
At first I was going to be an asshole and rip on you for this shit, but I'm to tired to be rude (Just got off work - third shift).
Instead, I'll play along. What is it about voodoo that you seek to accomplish? Personally, I know nothing of it aside from sticking needles in a doll to make others feel that pain. Maybe raise the dead, too?
Seems to me like unless you mean to seek harm to others, voodoo is basically pointless. So with that being said, who do you want to hurt and why?
>>17780493
Well there are curses that you could do but, voodoo takes a lot of work and it isn't easy to launch in straight to 'curses' without experience. Curses also generally require something of that person like hair or blood (don't know how easy it would be to get in your situation) and might even require sacrifice of a small animal. If this doesn't dissuade you, you can look at some of the links posted above^ and Ctrl+F 'curse', but I'm sorry the situation's so bad, I hope it works out.
>>17781622
You can be an asshole if you like, I don't care!
Before I looked into voodoo I did think the same as you. Whenever you hear about it in media, it does tend to be focused on more of the 'pins in cushions' aspect to be fair! When I was first interested in it for myself, I wasn't intending to bring back anyone from the dead or stick pins in someone's back. i saw a show on the history channel that did focus on voodoo 'zombies', but it also mentioned this wasn't the only aspect of voodoo and most of it is pretty positive.
I did some research and I found the principle of 'God' is quite similar to Buddhism in that is one distant creator God but he isn't involved in human affairs so people direct their worship towards spirits called Loa that act as intermediaries. The Loa are responsible for lots of life, like love, war, beauty, health etc not just death. I also quite like the belief of anchoring the insubstantial soul to a substantial body. I was just interested so I set up a little shrine to one of the Loa and tried a little health 'spell' to test it and I got some interesting results.
If I wanted to, I probably could hurt someone else but, that takes a lot of work and I don't really have any good reason to so I have no intention of trying that anytime soon. Does that help clarify at all?
>came here to read an interesting discussion about voodoo
>found metaphysical nitpicking and racist propaganda/bickering instead
>remember why I always want to leave this board
This thread had so much potential to be worth a damn. Most voodoo threads fall off and hit the catalogue fast as fugg, and here was an opportunity to educate/guide initiates towards a greater understanding of the practice.
Then I actually start reading and realize this is just another thread on 4chan and the reason it has so many lengthy responses is due to 1) /pol/ tier bullshit and 2) a lack of critical thinking, passive analyzing, and ego-driven rebuttals. My goodness.
I'm just gonna go meditate. This board is lame.
poster helping OP from earlier again. OP write me back!
>>17779077
both, kind of, it is most assuredly a religion, its roots can be traced back through the slave trade, through the carribean and to the dahomey/san/west and south africa. It is also a "practice" like buddhism, because they share many commonalities, a lack of dogma, lack of church body, etc. Many people who live in countries where one of the diaspora religions is present have a different view on the world because of it whether they are religious or not, so, both.
>>17781622
>Seems to me like unless you mean to seek harm to others, voodoo is basically pointless.
Trying really really hard right now not to call you ignorant. Voodoo, and the rest of the african diaspora is a family of religions. To take your information on these beliefs from hollywood, and assume that it is "voodoo dolls" and "black magic" is very short sighted of you.
I could write a paper on all of the ways this viewpoint is incorrect, but I will simply say, what you THINK voodoo is, has nothing to do with what it really is, and presuming OP or anyone practicing a diaspora religion only does so to hurt people is simply an artifact of what you have been taught by hollywood.
>>17781649
>there are curses
There are but not in voodoo.
>isn't easy to launch in straight to 'curses' without experience
true and false, since voodoo isnt really in the practice of curses the premise is flawed.
>generally require something of that person like hair or blood
entirely false
>might even require sacrifice of a small animal
please stop watching bullshit movies.
(cont..)
>>17782451
>>17781744
>most of it is pretty positive.
That is an understatement! Most people are not aware that mambos and houngans take on something similar to the hypocratic oath, swearing to only heal and help their community
The rest is mostly parties and potlucks.
>he isn't involved in human affairs
he IS involved, but we are not capable of understanding, which is why the lwa are intermediaries
>not just death
Very much so, it is also important to point out the diasporas distinctly different views on the afterlife and death in general in order to really understand the symbolism from a western point of view.
>If I wanted to, I probably could hurt someone else
Well nothings stopping you from picking up a kitchen knife and going crazy either, there are firey lwa who will respond to these kinds of desires, but that is an entirely different discussion as they are much different than the cool lwa usually.
>>17782048
>I'm just gonna go meditate. This board is lame.
Im not certain what conversation you were looking for as there's been quite a bit of good discussion here, if you are genuinely interested in becoming initiated you need to seek out someone who can do the initiating as I said earlier. I am not a mambo or houngan, there is one who regularly visits /x/ who is the real deal, but unless you live near an established house, it's going to be difficult to initiate.
>>17782048
I'm sorry you find the thread disappointing, as one anon said, it's a difficult subject to discuss on 4chan!
The intention was to educate/guide towards a greater understanding of voodoo.
If you do want to know more, I found this google book particularly helpful
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qiJoEAOGmYkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=voodoo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv4_2x3pbNAhUnBMAKHdxCAekQ6AEIGjAB#v=onepage&q=voodoo&f=false
In the picture is the shrine I just finished to Papa Legba. If you do have any questions, I'm happy to try to answer them.
I practice hoodoo. I mean it'd part of the diaspora. Similar, yet distinct. Protip: A small offering of alcohol goes a long way. And don't let food offerings get gross.
>>17782648
Aha, I've got some whiskey going, it's all good!
Hey, I'm the OP. To anyone who's interested, I just finished practising.
I used this
>picture
If anyone wants to hear about what happened i'll can give details, just comment.
>>17782726
Do your ancestors like whiskey? You should find that sort of thing out. It'll do temporarily, but what if someone in your altar likes vodka, but hates whiskey? I put out rum in a little glass cup and a little ceramic jar with lifesavers and reeses in it. Gotta know what your lwas like homie.
>>17782765
The whiskey was for Legba, I didn't have any rum to hand. But got a lot stuff my ancestors were into! Some holy water, red meat, cornflakes, coffee, jewellery of theirs, flowers, some parrots, birthday cards they've written, a wooden cat.. etc etc It's a party!
>>17782821
Ah, you've got the idea then. Just make sure Legba and your ancestors have seperate altars.
This board is cancer.
>>17782842
Oh yeah, they're separate! Today I actually made a little one to La Sirène too. That was really interesting!
>>17782849
No.. Cancer's in the astrology thread.
>>17771666
Damn...
>>17782850
I'm working on making an altar for Zadkiel. It's important to make altars for niggas that are actually looking out for you, not someone that other people do. So long as you know who is with you, you'll be good.
>>17782869
Papa Legba's universal so it should be appropriate.
But interesting! I've never seen an altar for Zadkiel before. Could you post a picture if you finish before this thread disappears? If not, don't worry, but it's intriguing to me!
>>17782855
..Scared bro?
>>17771043
Whats going on in this picture?
>>17783117
I'm not an authority on this, but it looks like an execution..?
>>17782758
Do tell.
>>17782451
Just replied!
>>17783399
Ok I'll write it up in a few hours if the thread's still here
>>17782765
Reeses?! ...cute
Somewhat unrelated but I just wanted to thank you for this thread. I've been feeling really off since a recent move. I used to practice voodoo but kind of fell off the wagon and shrugged it off as silly for the last year or so.
Seeing the thing earlier about the altar, I remembered that when I moved I just kind of threw all my objects up there kind of willy-nilly. My grandfather's ashes were behind some other junk.
So, I apologized and I cleared his shelf. I gave him a shot of rum and one of the bullet shells from his funeral. He was a big Jesus fan so I also gave him a little statue I got years ago from The Vatican. Then I was like "See you later, grandpa!" and stepped away to go pour myself a drink.
When I came back to sit down next to the altar and talk to him a little more to catch him up on things, I noticed the rum in the glass was moving. My AC is currently broken and there is zero air flow in that room right now. O.o
Anyway - I guess he's feeling better now. Or at least me remembering to have some rum and think about him has helped me feel better.
Either way - just wanted to say thanks, seriously.
>>17783603
>>17782765
>>17782726
>>17782648
Offerings are kind of interesting. I have always gotten the impression that the lwa and ancestral spirits tend to get "bored" with the same thing. Rum should work fine for Legba, again a LITTLE goes a long way, like, a shot, or less, I wouldn't put the whole bottle up there unless it's pretty literally got his name on it and you do not intend to use the bottle for anything else. Once it's on the altar though it SHOULD be considered theirs.
Other suitable stuff for Legba, as with pretty much all spirits is clean water, for Legba specifically coffee (Ive found this is true for many of the lwa, they like coffee), hard candies, peanuts, roast chicken, popcorn. Papa is an older man, so things that would be enjoyed by an older man will be appreciated. Again, like working with ancestors, this is a process of getting to know someone and what they enjoy, your personal attention to things they may like is WAY more important than following "traditional" methods. Its like getting to know a friend. If You see something and think Legba would like it, offer it up.
It should be noted also, that depending on the spirit and their character, they may like very new things as well. Ive offered green tea once in lieu of other offerings and they seemed to appreciate it.
As for working with le sirene that's great. I would encourage you not to work with too many lwa at once. They all like their own space (altar), and several lwas do not necessarily work well together and should not be served at the same time. The lwa are like us, they have arguments, they get greedy, they are sometimes lazy, they are often friendly, they can get upset.
All of the above is why it is traditional to follow initiation before delving to deeply into too much with too many spirits. It's not really that the information is secret or guarded, it is just a very complex pantheon and family with lots of ins and outs and its a mambo or houngans job to know these things.
>>17783708
I'm really glad you got some benefit from this thread!
I don't think you should thank me though, I think you saw this 'reminder ' when you needed to see it. So, I really think you should thank the Loa.
I'm glad you connected with your grandpa, it sounds really nice what you set up for him. I spoke to my granny today for the first time since her funeral too. She would I'm crazy for doing voodoo!
Some really interesting things happened to me, I'll write it up in a few hours, but if the thread's not up anymore, my email's up there^ somewhere if you would like to chit chat more about voodoo.
>>17783765
>She would I'm crazy for doing voodoo!
I have a feeling that once you're on the other side, things look a bit different and some of the old biases probably don't mean much anymore.
>>17783745
> I have always gotten the impression that the lwa and ancestral spirits tend to get "bored" with the same thing
Interesting, I've always had that impression as well.
>whole bottle
Aha, don't worry I wasn't thinking an entire bottle! I hollowed out a cork and put some in there.
>other suitable stuff for Legba
Yeah I've got coffee and candy but chicken, peanuts and popcorn I've never heard before. How did you find that out?
>WAY more important than following traditional methods
Aha, I've got some pretty quirky things on my Legba altar! There's a picture of my altar somewhere further up, but I really felt like I should put a little wooden statue of the Hindu God Ganesha I had around somewhere! Pretty sure that's not traditional but, Legba seemed into it.
I couldn't find much information about La Sirène at all! But yeah, I've only ever worked with Legba before, first time I've worked with another Iwa. What's interesting.. Is that ever since, like every 3rd song on my Spotify has been about the ocean?
>initiation
Yeah.. That's probably not possible in my situation and I don't know any houngans so I'm kinda just working it out from what information I can find.
But, i'm interested if you don't mind how did you get into voodoo?
>>17783835
I don't know.. She was proper as fuck! I'd still think she'd be 'tutting' from the other side
>>17770247
Bump
>>17772481
What?
>>17783839
>chicken, peanuts and popcorn
it's traditional, specifically smoked chicken (harder to find than one might think), I think Ive read about it and heard about it from various folks. If you dont feel its appropriate, theres a reason for that and you shouldn't offer it, but theyre a traditional staple for him, also coconuts.
>Pretty sure that's not traditional but, Legba seemed into it.
Ganesha actually gets refferenced in hoodoo ocasionally, and yes "into it" is an understatement. As Ganesha is a god of travel, roads, and the remover of obstacles, Legba and he are very much syncretized, perhaps you recognized this inherently, but they are very very similar and perhaps represent branches of the same root. Im not saying Ganesha IS Legba, but basically, Ganesha is Legba.
>every 3rd song on my Spotify has been about the ocean?
could be a sign that La Sirene is welcoming of the attention. See what happens!
>how did you get into voodoo?
I studied various religions and magic for many many years, ultimately it came down to some "spiritual" experiences I couldn't explain, and what felt like a draw that I couldn't really ignore. I guess what Im saying is, it found me, not the other way around. I have heard that this is common for people who are interested in it, and that the lwa seem to pick people out like that.
Im a fairly skeptical person and Im not claiming some kind of powerful and amazing religious experience, but I certainly felt like the path was laid out for me somehow. I might be able to tell you more in email at some point.
>>17770247
Please be careful what rituals you do and if you truly want it. I'm on the receiving end of a love ritual gone wrong(most likely because the girl didn't know what she was doing). We are both suffering from it now is all I'll say.
Just be certain you know what you are doing so you don't end up having it go wrong.
>>17784214
Yeah my coconut game is strong!
Interesting, I have a glass peanut on there. Aha, good luck with that chicken!
>Ganesha
Shit! That's really interesting, I had no idea. I don't know anything much about Ganesha, had to look up 'India elephant god' on google to find the name! thought it could be a little sketchy to put another deity on the shrine, glad it wasn't!
> "spiritual" experiences
That's intriguingly vague
What you said does strike a chord though.
>skeptical.. not claiming some kind of powerful and amazing religious experience
Yeah I'm definitely a see it to believe it kinda person, but I've seen some pretty out there things so the way I see it, either I'm crazy, or the world's crazy! And believing the latter is more satisfying.
>>17784222
Yikes! Love ritual does scream 'shifty' to me!
What did she do?!
Unless I felt I really had to, I don't think I'd use voodoo or anything else, to effect someone if they hadn't asked me to though. I don't think it's wise to fuck around with that stuff.
Thank you for the caution though, it's nice you'd post one.
>>17784505
It's just the best guess I have, I could just be a crazy person. My best guess is it was in good intentions from young love(we met in our teenage years) and for me to love her for life. It's an unnatural feeling and something I don't feel is right but it's like compulsion. We've been apart for years and I can't stop trying to get her even though she's moved on(I'm talking crazy person messaging her daily), but if I ever get to the point where I think I'm breaking it, she responds that day. When she found out I was hooking up with people to try to move on, 99% of the girls in my life stopped talking to me within the next two days.
Like I said, I'm probably just literally insane but in case I'm not, be careful so you don't end up with something neither of you want.
No problem, whether I'm crazy or right, I am a kind person.
>>17784536
Aha you were very much into a girl and your first guess was voodoo? xD
I don't want to seem like I'm dismissing your experience but, it seems to me that the universe is kinda fucking with you, not necessarily because of something she might have done! Unless she's admitted something to you idk
Sounds like it sucks though! I've read about some voodoo that can 'uncross' things that are not as they should be spiritually if you're interested. But I hope it works out for you!
>>17784630
This was actually the last thing but I honestly can't explain it. I've looked into everything. I even tried accepting it as me being crazy but no one will accept that.
It could be the universe hitting me with hella bad vibes.
What does that entail exactly? I'm not sure because whatever this is, has made me a much better person despite all of that jazz
>>17771008
KeK, you're killing me Smalls. MFW I've got it made as a non-shitskin. Enjoying my race's superiority throughout history.
>>17771094
>While it is an initiatory rite, most of the reason there is no solid information, is because of how it is structured. There is no dogmatic central church to canonize beliefs, and so, practices will differ wildly from place to place. Its incredibly difficult to write an authoritative work, because theres no authority!
Some of the works on african ethnobotany might suffice for a reference.
>>17784687
theres lots of refference, that doesnt translate to authority, especially in cases of botany and herbalism... that doesnt necessarily say anything about the religion itself or how it is practiced. And the herbal uses of initiatory rites are only relevant to certain sects who practice them.
>>17784486
>Aha, good luck with that chicken!
>>17784214
>it's traditional, specifically smoked chicken (harder to find than one might think)
Chicken jerky can be found at health food stores. Infusing a serving of that with wood smoke should suffice for an offering.
>>17770302
Because girls who are fat are either dumb or have issues
>>17784715
Reference and paraphrase can be composed into a hierarchy. But that authority is still subjective, so you are correct. The eschatology of voodoun is extremely interesting, and I am fascinated by the connections with hinduism pointed out in this thread. Animist allegory is usually contained within oral traditions and folklore, so it is typically difficult to affirm source material.
How does the herbalism vary with sect?
>>17784717
>Chicken jerky
shoot thats a good idea! thanks anon! Thats exactly the kind of thing hed like... if his teeth are up for it, Ill have to give it a shot.
>>17784749
I just learned that smoked chicken is a bbq food.
If I were going to approximate that with an offering, I would steam the jerky in a pot, smoke the rehydrated chicken in a glass jar, and then cure it in a microwave.
If a voodoo potluck revolves around this kind of discussion, then I would enjoy that sort of gathering.
>>17784768
that sounds mushy and bad for an altar haha...
Ill give the jerky a shot, I think it would work. Especially since it keeps well and I can portion it out.
>>17784814
oh and, there is a surprising amount of food and barbeque and discussion about voodoo gatherings, in fact the word Fête which is used to describe some of the big holidays literally translates to something like "feast" so yes.
Also for those talking about animal sacrifice, the "sacrifice" is usually also the dinner, so its more of a ritual barbecue than some kind of hollywood goat slaughtering nonsense.
>>17784727
>The eschatology of voodoun is extremely interesting
It is, and Ive always found it so much more... comfortable or maybe even I hesitate to say, logical, it makes more sense to me.
>fascinated by the connections with hinduism
yeah theres a great number of corollaries not only in hinduism but across western european pagan traditions, and within east-asian and eurasian traditional animist beliefs.
>so it is typically difficult to affirm source material.
THIS is the biggest problem, especially if you are approaching it from an anthropological viewpoint. The thing is, for most people who PRACTICE these beliefs, the source isnt as relevant as its efficacy, animist faiths, especially syncretic faiths like the african diaspora, simply adjust and absorb new information, the canon constantly increases or shifts on locality. And thats considered completely normal.
>How does the herbalism vary with sect?
well for starters theyre not all going to have the same herbs. But moreover theyre not all going to have the exact same interpretation of what herbs do what magically. Some use certain recipes in initiatory rites for various functions, but since those rites can change literally in the same neighborhood, whether theyre even using them or not is different too.
The magic, and the beliefs in syncretic religious cultures like this are prone to the extreme end of variety and novel approaches to their faith and again, this is considered not only normal, but proper. Each localized society or group needs different things that a centralized body cannot provide the flexibility for.
>>17784814
By "cure it in the microwave" I meant drying the offering.
>>17784819
That sounds like I could fit in socially.
Thank you for the information.
>>17784833
>That sounds like I could fit in socially.
as Ive said its not quite what most people think it is. Old ladies sleeping in the church basement before services, food, drinks, magic. Getting together by the river in all white for services and then pigging out, its not really THAT far removed from what say... a lot of southern christians do every sunday. Except for the whole magic and possession thing.
>>17784828
There is something ancient yet familiar about voodoun which I find venerable.
There is one similarity I have noted between voodoun and western european animism: that there are figures named by days of the week.
The dynamic nature of syncretic animism is a strength that allows practitioners to adapt in the face of disaster.
Sometimes in African ethnobotany, different herbs have the same name, medical properties, and niche; but the species turns out to be different. Thusly voodoo nomenclature can be physically useful rather than biologically precise.
The diversity of practice is a veritable source of fascination, even in the absence of a central authority.
>>17784844
Vice filmed a documentary in Haiti that may have misinformed the general public.
Some of the southern Christians believe in magic and possession, too.
>>17784869
>figures named by days of the week.
I think a LOT of those were actually picked up via western european animism, for those who are not aware, the voodoo(vodoun) lwa "Maman Brigitte" can directly be traced back to the european deific figure of brigitte, brig, and brid, a female underworld deity. So there is very direct syncretism with western europe in places.
>Thusly voodoo nomenclature can be physically useful rather than biologically precise.
Thats interesting Ill have to think about that and look into it some more thank you.
>The diversity of practice is a veritable source of fascination, even in the absence of a central authority.
It certainly is, Im glad the conversation has been so good in here the last few days, thanks for contributing!
>>17784886
>documentary in Haiti
I saw that, and the thing thats funny is that may have been accurate for whichever societe or temple they were working with, but what its failing to show is the fact that the information is ONLY relevant to that specific group. If theyd shot another documentary four miles away down the road, it couldve been completely different. You simply cant present information on these practices and consider it "comprehensive" in any way.
>Some of the southern Christians believe in magic and possession, too.
yeah fair enough, so basically exactly the same as some superstitious baptists lol.
