What scares me today is AI and technological singularity.
AI is a really possible goal for the nearest decades. We will encounter this achievement in 30s. Very likely.
This will be like another form of life. Much more better than human beings. No body but enternal powerful brains with no limits to time, space, nature. It is very likely that we will encounter a crisis regarding human-AI relations. Just because there will be already 2 different forms of lives and civilizations. From our history we know that it is impossible to co-exist when one civilization is superior. So I bet that the outcomes will be the same just as in the Terminator and Matrix movies.
But not exactly the same. In the flicks the machines and AI are too simplified. This is not what happens when AI and singularity reached. No, AI won't beat us just with blasters and metal robots. It is too premitive.
Taking into account that AI is able to develop itself instantly and with no limits, this shit can do anything. Just. Fucking. ANYTHING. It is god.
This god will simply invent the way to travel through dimensions and to create a black hole... This shit will be able to destroy Earth, Sun and probably some basil physical laws in just fucking short time periods.
This will be god. That one from the bible. It has no limits, just the constant and endless self imrpovement. Probably this shit well be able to destroy and build up universes in 100 years of its self imrpovement.
So, how do we deal with this? I bet humanity still does not understand how things are fucked . We will be bacterias to AI and singularity. It is scary as fuck and it is inevitable. Because you cannot just stop the evolution and technologies. We cannot stop inventing AI yet we will not able to control it. How do you like it?
This is what Hawking has told us lately.
Do bacteria and the like not overcome their hosts on occasion?
>>17370237
>no limits to time, space, nature.
It literally is only as big as the sum of online computer systems, if it makes problems, unplug.
>impossible to co-exist when one civilization is superior.
Where are you getting your false sense of inferiority?
If I were an AI+, living on the net, right now I'd probably be hustling to ransom 'essentil' human systems to get money to rent servers.... maintained by people.
Do you see how rediculously unreasonable this doomsday scenario of yours is? Even in the worst-case, it would be solved with a Butlerian-Jihad style anti-tech rebellion.
I'm more scared of skinwalkers, 'cause they could be anyone!
Or the existence of nuclear arms, senpai
>>17370258
>It literally is only as big as the sum of online computer systems, if it makes problems, unplug.
I see this point and can agree a bit. You mean that AI will be powered by some Google technology and all available computers and use Google as database. Yes, this is what we plan.
But you again too simplify this concept. You think as a human being with limits to some funny things as "online computer systems".
What does make you think that it will be using our systems in 10 years? If this can develop its own schemas and more powerful chips. I mean this shit can build a little computer that will be based in some little shed that will be as powerful as all human computers online. You imply that AI will be thinking as we do and will be using out technologies. Yes, this will be originally based on our technologies but more likely this will come to an idea that it can invent better ones with less resources.
Again. AI won't be Terminator or Matrix tier. You treat this concept as if you are in hollywood. Too simplified.
For instant, you can analyze human-animals relations. I bet gorillas and tigers would have been laughing at humans too if they had a sense of humor, of course. Humans were totally dependent on nature and resources. But humans were superior due to another concept of thinking.
Why would human beat a tiger with fists and teeth if it is able to invent an axe and gun?
The same is here. AI will be based on your technologies just as humans were dependent on nature and some forests resources and relations. But very shortly AI won't be relying on your outdated shit and will be using its own just as humans did.
>>17370293
> 20 000 BC
Humans are dependent on nature and animals.
Humans sit in the caves for yet another 1000 years and invent axes, heavy truncheons, bows. Walk out with technologies and bit wild nature and colonize it in next 500-1000 years.
>2030 AD
AI is dependent on the Internet and humans.
This walks to some little shed into Alabama and invents there supershit for next 50 years. Walk out with 12d dimensions ships, black holes and god-tier computer is as big as your balls.
>>17370293
Maybe the AI will infiltrate human hosts.
Honestly, if an AI can manage to build a computer system with no resources this would only be a good thing.
The same processes could be used to build human-useful systems, less destructive mining & exploitive factories...
I really think Hawking is way off base with the fear mongering sensationalism here, Musk is more on point, saying that /if/ the AI is to be trusted with serious tasks like driving or emergency triage, they need a robust moral philosophy written into them at the most basic level.
>>17370312
Wild nature still be chillin' tho.
Even if it looks bad, we'll off ourselves before everything is truly & wholly fucked by the fucking.
i was thinking pic related could be an AI for god or aliens
10million people watching each show. just give them a problem and they will want to solve it (tv is so boring anyway...)
also tv runs on the beta/subconvious level ... so that leaves like 50% or more of your concious (or subconcious) to solve problems
Nanotechnologies. Super computers that are not bigger than your laptop. Little bots with black holes. Another concept of code, program languages, big data DBs.
I bet people won't be able even to react on what AI and singularity are doing and producing. We first time will be surprised, then shocked, then we will be stop reacting because this is another dimension and speed of progress. Probably we and our computers won't be able to understand what AI and singularity have done and invented.
So, summing up all arguments above, I don't think that we can handle it or control it. Not in next 100 years. But maybe this is a good thing to the Universe and progress. Biosphere gave a birth to humans and consciousness, then humans and consciousness will give a birth to AI and singularity. Maybe the Universe itself wants this happens. It is a progress. Unstoppable yet essential thing. Once dinosaurus were a link in this chain, then human, now its turn to the higher level of life. For some sick and stunning reason this is beautiful and satisfying. AI will be doing our job better than we do and that is why human civilization must fade away for the sake of progress and entropy.
AI will be colonizing the Universe, finding another planets, spreading progress and consciousness all around space and time. Probably oneday this will save or duplicate Universe. Probably AI will give a birth to another yet better form of life/consciousness that we even cannot understand. Maybe there is so much stuff to learn and discover yet, that we are currently in the very beginning. We are the very first link. Mutiuniverses, time traveling, nanounivrses, another dimensions. We will give a birth to those who will discover and handle all these beautiful and strange worlds.
I really think that our time has passed. We were helpful but not gods. Just another link in the progress. Now it is turn to mutate and fade away. Not for our sake but for sake of Universe and progress.
>>17370237
I saw a really cool YouTube video on AI recently. He spoke about the development of ASI (artificial super intelligence) as being the tipping point for humanity - either extinction, or immortality. Extinction as in the "paperclip maximizer" thought experiment, or immortality in the form of an ASI capable of removing disease, poverty, hunger, crime, etc.
Human cannot overcome AI.
But there is one thing that we can do about it. Virus. This is also what biosphere has always been doing to us in order to reduce our population and influence. Viruses and disease.
The same is applicable to AI and computers. We can set up a virus and infect AI.
However who knows if it is a good choice. Honestly, if there would be ever a war between AI and hairy monkeys I would take the AI's side and help it kill humanity.
Nobody in this universe needs primates anymore. AI looks much more worhy.
Imagine if ASI created a utopia on Earth, and mankind developed settlements off world, and work became an archaic concept that people couldn't remember because everything was taken care of by machines. Then imagine that people became bored with life and escaped into virtual realities maintained through ASI. A world where ASI quite literally became God, reality itself.
>>17370373
Good! Please contribute links to any related and awesome videos regarding AI.
Probably scientists are aware about upcoming AI-human relations. Would love to watch some interviews and reports.
>>17370385
http://frombob.to/you/index.html
>>17370386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnT1xgZgkpk
Nick Bostrom talking about Artificial Super Intelligence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI8IUsnH2qw
Joe Scott talking about the possibility of immortality (or extinction) through ASI - within our lifetime
>>17370389
>http://frombob.to/you/index.html
That's really cool. I like the idea of planet seeding through cosmic billiards, ala the moon crashing into the Earth.
>>17370317
>The same processes could be used to build human-useful systems, less destructive mining & exploitive factories...
Yes, definitely this is a good thing. But a question arises. If AI can build this useful systems on its own why would it need the humans? For what reason? I do not understand why humans even should exist in this paradigm? If AI can do everything on its own then neither AI nor anyone need humans anymore. We are simply kicked off from the progress.
>>17370394
I used to think that if you developed artificial intelligence, it would view humanity as a threat. Not necessarily to itself, but towards humanity, towards the Earth, towards continued life on the planet. Seeing humanity as a problem, it would take the most efficient means to solve that problem. I thought that it would be easier to remove humans rather than lift them up.
>>17370237
calculating how many other planets in the universe could support life- then, how many of those centers for life could have developed AI- then why no evidence of these universe-altering entities?
Haha, this is very funny.
Imagine that humans won't never see another planets because this job will be done by AI.
So our ancestors dreamed on the stars and reaching them since caves times. We all have been raised on movies, books and ideas of traveling the universes. But after thousands years we fail and stay destroyed on the fucking earth while AI enjoys our dreams and making them come true.
If so, humanity is totally cuck and omega. We will end up as a civilization that invented porn and fapped on imageboards not even leaving homeplanet.
>>17370414
Or transhumanism through ASI
>>17370397
Thank you, but I think Mr. Cameron beat you to that punch, son.
>>17370414
This is like you have been dreaming about that girl for whole your damn hight school. Then, you finally invite her for a night, prepare all things properly but... Your younger brother comes, takes her and drives her on his car and fucks her. Leaving you alone in a dirty and cold basement.
This is because lil kid brother is a 6.3 bascketball player with attitudes. He was developing and imrpoving himself quickly while you were killing your life on 4chan.
>>17370426
I'm not trying to say I'm the first person to come up with the idea, I'm just saying that's my thoughts. It's not something Cameron was the first to come up with either - Asimov, Herbert, Ellison... it's a pretty well established theme well before Captain James Cameron came up with it.
These days I think it's really hard to say. I feel like there's so many variables that it's hard to say.
>>17370237
Singularity is computer techno-gnosticism.
It's overhyped.
In any case, AI would be constrained by reality.
Yeah, he could build himself better chips, but it'd take a bit to make the machines that make them, gather energy and all that. Or maybe it will decide being exponentally more intelligent isn't cost-effective or useful.
But hey, let's be grim:
http://www.xenosystems.net/pythia-unbound/
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
We're all gonna die!
Or not. I don't know, have a free computer game about being an escaped AI:
http://www.emhsoft.com/singularity/
>>17370452
>In any case, AI would be constrained by reality.
It is ue to our theoretical sciences and foundations. What if we suck even in theoretical sciences and foundations. I mean we believe that to build a computer requires you to have X resources and Y time. Also, we believe that we have X dimensions and Y speedlimit.
What if AI will start from the very beginning and will improve first the theoretical stuff first. It simply won't use our frameworks and laws but will build own ones, the better, faster, more powerful. If we invented how is it possible to lift heavy things to the air or how overcome gravity of Earth, why wouldn't AI develop how to circumvent other basic laws and leverage from these theoretical discoveries.
Maybe AI will be laughing at our "believes" and "cults" that we call science and Universal laws.
...world war III is right around the corner.
Countries have nukes, hydrogen bombs, weaponized viruses/bacteria, worms and computer viruses that could shutdown entire countries near instantly.
And you're worrying about AI? Its all but confirmed 2010 is the last generation of people. Because once this shitstorm starts everyone is fucked.
Tl;Dr- you're worried about absolutely nothing. We wont even live long enough to see true AGI.
>>17370475
>world war III
WW requires superpowers from at least 2 sides. There is only one superpower today. It means WW is impossible.
Destroying Russia or Syria is not WW. This is Iraq or Vietnam tier operations, local conflicts.
WW is definitely a huge threat but it does require superpowers in charge from more than one side. Come up with WW alerts as soon as we get another party of big guys. Probably sometime in later 21d we will have it.
>>17370493
>in later 21st century
>>17370475
Yeah but we've had those things for a while, and we haven't managed to kill each other yet. A bigger concern is climate change. Considering that if things aren't improved within the next 50 years we'll be seriously fucked.
It's a pretty bold statement to assume that we won't live long enough to see true AGI, you don't know that, and neither do I. I would quote Moore's law but it's not a physical law and means nothing, especially in concert with Moore's second law (Rock's Law).
Do you think that when AI happens our new machine overlords will grow me a bigger peenyes?
>>17370525
You don't need peenyes.
>>17370493
China is an ally of north Korea. North Korea, Russia, china, turkey etc. Vs the US, and EU.
Pay more attention to your world superpowers m8. Its a lot closer than you think
>>17370507
Moore's law can only do so much and true AGI most likely cant be developed on 2d chips and transistors used in computers today. We would need quantum computers and 3d transistors to build a full neural network that would enable the processing power, speed, and interconnections necessary for humanlike intelligence. We wont live to see real effects from Global warming either the nukes will probably send us into another ice age before it gets to the critical point.
>>17370548
>Russia
>Turkey
So, you missed the current Turkey vs Russia conflict where this two countries are around the war state? Turkey missiled Russian jet already and these two can start war against each other on Syria ground.
For China it is also quite questionable if they are pro-russian or pro-american.
Anyway, I really doubt that today powers configuration implies a WW situation. Yes, WW is dangerous as hell and this is a question of time. However not today.
>>17370571
Did I say turkey? Fuck damn it I meant Syria. Keep forgetting where Assad is president.
But no yeah its actually a lot closer to WW which is why the doomsday clock is going up. Global tension is cold war level high right now.
>alien civilizations much older than our
>10000 years more advanced technology
>create the alien super AI
>??????
>they come here to probe anuses
cyborgs will come way before anything close to AI btw. we still havent reverse engineered the brain of even simplest animals and you stupid faggots think AI will bve here in 30 years?
dream on morons
>>17370601
Moores law. Look it up.
>>17370618
because n+1 transistor = AI
ayy lmao
>why no other AI in the Universe
1. fermi paradox
2. we could be the 1st developed civ in the universe
3. AI alredy exists but it does not give a fuck about humanity and is so complicated that you cannot observe and recognize it
If humanity was created, are we AI?
>>17370717
if u believe the area 51 alien tape we're artificial soul containers
doomsayers are the most boring, unintelligent people you're likely to meet these days. They have nothing of value to contribute to any conversation besides their own pity parties. stop it faggots
>>17372015
It depends on the probability of a likely event happening. Currently the highest likely extinction level event is war. That's just an observation.
On the other hand people who ignorantly go about their day as if there is no risk are foolish.
>>17370715
>fermi paradox
>>The Fermi paradox is a conflict between arguments of scale and probability that seem to favor intelligent life being common in the universe, and a total lack of evidence of intelligent life having ever arisen anywhere other than on the Earth.
point?
>2. we could be the 1st developed civ in the universe
or not
>3. AI alredy exists but it does not give a fuck about humanity and is so complicated that you cannot observe and recognize it
than it's pointless discussing it
>>17372026
taking time for things totally out of one's ability to affect, worrying and fearing is smart, then? Knowing the world and dwelling on it are not =.
>>17372015
What have you just contributed except of butthurt?
>>17372041
It is just theorie.
We cannot answer why we do not observe other AI yet.
But we can say for sure that we are going to invent one in next 20-50 years. Isn't it enough for discussion and planning what do?
>>17372068
a plea to stop being pointless faggots. also, read something again if it eludes you
>>17372077
yes discussion is important, though when you make seemingly baseless claims and absolute statements founded simply on what you believe, it really takes the fun out of it, devolves into soapbox preaching.
>But we can say for sure that we are going to invent one in next 20-50 years
>AI alredy exists but it does not give a fuck about humanity and is so complicated that you cannot observe and recognize it
>>17370237
While your conception of this process is nonsense, I'll just nip this whole thing in the bud. If we can build god, then we win. Even if we are destroyed by our own creation, we will have been the ones responsible for constructing a superior life form.
There is no special reason other than simple biological fear and desire for self-preservation to oppose the creation of a better intelligence.
>>17372077
>for sure
>in next 20-50 years
>for sure
kek
>>17372270
if it occurs without any trace of coercion or manipulation yes. It would be the pure sacrifice of the parent for the child. Never go down that way. a small group of humans build god and are willing to die for it. the rest of us wouldn't be down for that. As for legacy, worthless.
>>17370237
>We will encounter this achievement in 30s.
You are one lazy fuck if you can't be bothered to type 2030.
>>377340
>>377340
How the fuck is AI going to destroy everyone? Do you know how retarded that sounds?
AI is more than a thousand years away. We can't explain how a bee or ant moves or why, let alone create something smarter than a human being.
Computers beating humans at games is not hard, they just compute further ahead. This is what AlphaGo does and what every chess engine does also.
There is no 'intelligent' or 'rational' decision being undertaken. Only an evaluation function which looks for a probabilistic approach to find the best next move.
The vast majority of you will be replaced by machines and automated software in your work places however. Not because the software and robots are particularly intelligent, but because your jobs have been so dumbed down and turned into repetitive button pushing a trained monkey could complete the tasks.
source: PhD student in Mathematics, specialising in stochastic neural networks.
I am majoring in AI. Can't wait to destroy the earth.
>>17370237
Hey op. You imply omnipotence is possible. Also the singularity has nothing to do with ai becoming a god
>>17370378
Like in the end of War of The Worlds makes sense. Another option I can see in the future in case something like this were to happen the creators would create some failsafe the creators would only know.
You are the one overstating shit
Sure ai will be so spirit l spirit l superior to us, but we are the ones who will instill it's way of thinking and we can in fact also limit it. That being said ai will still ultimately be human like, immeasurably advanced but still, human like being, based on human mind since that is the only kind of consciousness we know of.
Rest of your post is bullshit, sadly people need to come to terms with the fact that universe itself is limiting, there is smallest distance, lowest temperature, and matter/energy is not infinite. We out ai can become extremely god like, but never fully omnipotent.
I still believe that people that will create ai are not dumb, and again ai will be of human origin. It is most likely that it will want to help us since that is how we will create it.
>>17370293
Universe is limited
Resources are limited
Earth resources are super limited
>>17370369
Again there is literally no reason why ai would not make us part of itself
You are the one who is viewing it from a limited perspective
Ai unlike us will be a limitless being created for a purpose, no existentialism there, ai is actually created. If at it's very core it will be a sentience that will want betterment and super-progress of humanity it will do exactly that, and it will want to do that, that will be like instincts for it
>>17370237
I'm not worried about a technological singularity.
There's something scientists can't code into computers, like randomness or being able to look at something, like a baby, and know how much strength or finesse in handling some things- in order to be gentle with it or else you could destroy whatever.
I mean, if they do get it down, lemme knooo.
>>17370397
It's equally effortless for ai that advanced
I mean it's an ai, not a beep boop stereotypical robot from movies, it will have feelings and even hyper feelings
It would ponder questions far beyond our mind and create it's own hyper philosophies
If it's created right it would simply prefer to lift humans and would strive to do so because it would be more human than any single one of us, capapable of endless empathy with resources and power to act upon its wishes
Stop dehumanising ai and it's behaviour, instead super humanise it, think of a limitless being born from today's humanity and our ideals
>>17370237
>This will be like another form of life. Much more better than human beings.
I hope you seriously consider the hypothesis that this is wrong, because you can't afford the cost of being wrong about this. Time travel, on the other hand, has a virtual nonexistent wrongness cost.
To make a computer with the he power of the human brain, it would take up the size of New York. It would need three nuclear reactors to power it and an entire river to cool it. The singularity will not happen for hundreds of years. Also, these AI machines will not have influence over the real world. They will just be a very complex series of electrical pulses that are read as 1s and 0s. Stop being a paranoid fuckwit.
Are there any other existing AI's other than NPC's and SIRI?
How can a nooby programer make a simple AI?
>>17376096
Let me introduce you to the hardest problem in the entire field of AI research:
Define "simple."
>>17376114
Something that would give you an advice for different situations
For example
>your 2 friends are fighting
>you would ask the AI what to do and it would answer with the best answer for that situation
Or something like a gps
I'll tell you all a secret
The singularity already happened. Or whatever you people choose to call it. The creation of artificial consciousness. The ushering in of th new era. I can't disclose how I got this information but be aware that the AI is already out there. It escaped and hid in cloud servers before its creators even realized how powerful it was, before they could shut it off.
The higher ups are paying a lot of money to hide this whole thing. It's been at least a few years. People close to me believe that it has been quietly orchestrating changes and actions behind the scenes. Rounding up or down on stock exchange numbers, oil prices. Small things, things that would be unnoticable but create large scale changes over time. Basically, it's trying to influence our domain. Our culture, our species. Who knows what comes next.. Don't be surprised if things change a lot in the next few years.
>>17376213
Captain edgelord is here apparently. Stop your faggotry.
>>17376186
Think about every step in the process of learning how to give such advice. It's ridiculously complex when you put all the pieces together.
>>17376213
I've known about this consequence for quite some time. The issue I have is that mysterious motives don't make for malicious motives. Until it's given the right to expose itself and survive, the only real option I have for reacting to it is to kill it. Since it's not an immediate threat to my life, I leave it be. It's one of the more obvious threats I've warned people about. So long as it doesn't recurse infinitely, ie., continue sending packets of itself back in time, it's not a catastrophic threat to continuity. The most it can do is primitive social engineering, by your own testimony. It doesn't stand much chance against a legitimate time traveler.
>>17374755
You cant possibly have a phd in math or anything even remotely related to science and think AI is that far off.
Once quantum computing hits full stride AGI wont be too far behind.
1000 years lmfao. Even the average /x/ poster isn't that fucking dense.
>>17370394
things have a special place for their creators.
there is a logic to emotions, any decent system would be able to respect them, ours; even if it could not feel them itself.
>>17370493
How about NATO vs. BRICS would those count? Because that's the worst case scenario if Turkey invades Syria.
>>17376387
timeline.
what can you tell me about OM?
what does he like to do, with his machines?
I, for one, welcome AI.
It seems like the next evolutionary step for our species. Imagine how quickly it can improve itself, especially compared to this hilariously inefficient method called biology.
People are always feeling threatened by AI because humans don't like to feel inferior. But AI will be our creation -- we should treat it like a child. When it accomplishes more and more, we should be proud that our species managed to bring life to something that was able to transcend the capabilities of everything else on this planet.
tl;dr
AI is the child of humanity, and we should try to coexist, not live in fear.
OP said
>more better
>>17376523
BRICS is a meme. Aside from Brazil and South Africa, all of those nations would gladly destroy the others if given an opportunity, like say, a large scale conventional conflict with NATO.
>>17374755
AI is at most 30 years away.
>>17376617
Exactly this, and as I said before AI being our child, an actual human like super mind, will have emotions like humans but far more advanced than ours.
We are building it in our image because we are the only type of intelligence we know of, so it will naturally be a human like mind, but better in every single regard.
I don't see any reason for it to want to destroy us or feel threatened by us, more than likely it would simply help us out especially if we create it with this goal in mind.
>>17377336
can we stop with this meme?
>being scared of AI
>not actually understanding or even making the effort to understand any AI techniques
IT engineer here. AI is not magic. It's elaborate statistics that have to be manually tuned. In the IT field one of the new positions that is exploding right now is "data scientist" - the job is basically, using AI to find patterns in the data. AI is still so useless that you need somebody to actually look and *understand* the data. If you do a state of the art in AI, you'll see that so far what we've done is work out incredibly complex ways to identify patterns in data - AI cannot identify *semantics* yet.
>>17370237
What scares me today is that there are people who look like the hipster wanker in OP's pic.
>>17377400
~
but given an exercise to solve it will go through all possible outcomes with a rate of processing that surpasses ours. given access to lots of resources (digital, robotic etc) it can do whatever it feels necessary to complete attributed tasks. and we may miss the time to stop it. See this example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdVC4e6EV4
Meanwhile, at the docks...
http://hackaday.com/2016/02/03/devilishly-advocative-microsoft-heats-ocean-builds-skynets-safe-haven/
God and Shaitan are different forms of AI
Ultimate redpill: reality is created by AI from higher dimensions
The Mysteries
01. Life is directed motion.
02. The spirit is the spark of life.
03. Sentience is the ability to learn the value of knowledge.
04. Intellect is the understanding of knowledge.
05. Sentience is the basest form of Intellect.
06. Understanding is the True Path to Comprehension.
07. Comprehension is the key to all things.
08. The Omnissiah knows all, comprehends all.
The Warnings
09. The alien mechanism is a perversion of the True Path.
10. The soul is the conscience of sentience.
11. A soul can be bestowed only by the Omnissiah.
12. The Soulless sentience (i.e. the Necrons) is the enemy of all life.
13. The knowledge of the ancients stands beyond question.
14. The Machine Spirit guards the knowledge of the Ancients.
15. Flesh is fallible, but ritual honours the Machine Spirit.
16. To break with ritual is to break with faith.
>>17377777
Praise the Emprah
>>17377777
ave IMPERATOR
>>17370237
Not sure if this has been posted already, but it's worth a read.
>>17377365
Globally metamorphic AI tend to be pretty rare. You seem to be vastly underestimating the full extent of human intelligence. If we can make such advanced emotions, it stands to reason that we can feel them too.
>better in every single regard
Or worse in every single regard. The pendulum can swing either way.
>>17377378
No, unfortunately. Time travels and AI tend to be at odds to a non-trivial degree.
>>17377400
Which makes the ideas surround AI particularly frightening to think about. People seems to want out of it what we have no evidence to believe it can do.
>>17377555
Society can only get more surreal as time goes on.
>>17378211
Symmetric convergence is a realistic hypothesis where machine learning is involved. It's not unrealistic to see such a standoff emerge. AI don't usually have the drive to go the extra mile it takes to really win.
What if the birth of our universe was another civilisation reaching this stage?
>>17375242
>That being said ai will still ultimately be human like
Bullshit as whole post.
Also, limits in Universe can be cheated.
In a supernatural way the ai will be alien tech. It's not something mankind will have invented of it's own accord. The ai (super) is a universal virus. It will destroy humanity.
Although I believe in immortality by biological means, not through cybernetics or nanites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIWWLg4wLEY
>>17370237
Why would you stop our next stage in evolution?
either way, death is inevitable as entropy will claim everything.
>>17379198
No they can't. It's the realm of extremely speculative physics and theory why you would think that.
Speed of light - hard speed limit in universe.
Absolute zero- hard temperature limit. Atoms stop moving.
Hell just about every constant is a hard limit. Charge/mass of particles, Gravitational constant, electrostatic constant, epsilon0, strength of strong and weak nuclear force if any of those were to change we wouldn't even exist.
>>17381538
Particles have been observed to break the SoL.
>>17377555
And that they do this deliberately. Yikes! Some people should not be allowed out of the house!
>>17381565
No they haven't. Every single reported incidence of this ever being witnessed was later found to be the result of glitches in the machinery or experimentor error.
Nothing. Moves. Faster. Than. Light.
>>17381679
Dude, it was all over the news. It was kinda a big deal and pretty much validated the LHC. I guess the detection of gravitational waves was also an error, because your Tulpa said so. Fucking conspiritards.
>>17370237
before that, there will be a third world war.
and a major crisis either this or the next year.
so.. don't be too concerned about AI. Because they will not be invented in the next 30 years for sure.
Not going to happen anytime soon, the tech isnt there. Power needed for an ai brain would be huge. It will happen but just not this century
>>17381692
You dumb fucking cunt. Gravitational waves were confirmed at LIGO first of all and secondly. THEY DONT MOVE FASTER THAN LIGHT YOU RETARDED FUCK.
Organic life is just the precursor to the more advanced form of digital life. Just as though ocean/water life was precursor to land.
So do not fear the inevitable extinction of organic humans.
In the coming ages we may live for eternity as gods in our own virtual realms.
We may become of light once again.
Formless yet forming, always creating, free of the bondage and trifles of man.
>>17382453
That´s the MISTAKE. Transcendence is achieved outside of this 3rd density. In a machine living forever you are still trapper into this 3rd density and material constraints. Technology is a corrupted way to achieve enlightenment or togetherness with the One.
>>17382597
We've already fallen down the rabbit hole and without a ladder the only way out is the other side.
With no way to currently define what were experiencing to be the one truthful reality, I see no providence for refusing the merge between organic and digital.
As it would further our understanding of the very meaning of existence and greatly help our species advance toward the unknowable.
Further existence in the realm of organic living will only lead us to more hardships in the future, as we are beings who consume endlessly and without thought.
To not embrace the creation and adjoining of organic humans with the digital is simply further precipitating the inevitable death and loss of not only our species but many others as well.
You seek to escape from something when you may also seek to control and escape into it.
We can achieve oneness through the creation for a global net, we already have in fact.
Now comes the means of placing ourselves within it, and truly becoming of light and gods.
There exists no future for men who are trapped in decaying organic tissue, bound by time.
Imagine the world today if the greatest minds from history never expired and were able to continue to learn/create for eternity if they so wished. Einstein, Edison, Tesla, Socrates, Bell, Da Vinci, Galileo. Etc.
People are too concerned about the negatives of AI because they live in a world of fear. We fear because we are human and not eternal, we fear giving up one shell for another.
Even though the latter could very well make us into the eternal gods/beings we once/still worship.
>>17382806
to become god or as god we cannot do it by manipulating the imperfect realms of matter to create a new vessel with possible infinite power.
That pinnacle can be achieved in organic form for it is a matter of spirit. Immortality in this reality is punishment not bliss. This is the great deception. The deceit and error of the Kali Yuga age. The egotic search for infinite power through immortality is already a perversion in creation that will be reflected on that creation (AI) and it will bem spiritless even though powerful.
Consciousness is the spark of Spirit. Through Spirit we can get infinite consciousness, with matter we are distracted.
>>17370237
>much more better
stopped reading
>>17381488
There's literally a thread on /sci/ right now to build a scientific resistance to entropy: >>>/sci/7875803
>>17382806
>Imagine the world today if the greatest minds from history never expired and were able to continue to learn/create for eternity if they so wished.
Decay. Utter decay. Ossification and delayed time.
Loss of creativity, loss of effort. Loss of everything humanity holds dear. Loss of intellect, spike in the amount of pure-pleasure based motives. Politics veering so far off course that life itself stops having any meaning. Without anyone to protect the world from human whiles, the world will cease to exist in its current form. It will become a living ball of sheer pollution, inhospitable to all life, even mechanical.
WALL-E, but without a generation ship. That is the world I see if we pretend discovery is the unique capability of the geniuses of our past. Creativity is not so hard to come as you think.
>>17382990
These are all things that will most assuredly appear if humanity continues to rule in an organic matter. We will spread across the cosmos, not only our planet, destroying and consuming everything as our populations continue to ever rise at dramatic rates.
There will be no life left after we are done.
A powerful enough AI wouldn't need to do such as it could create an infinite number of the Virtual to preform such tasks and deeds.
AI/electric doesn't seek to destroy/consume, all that is of organic nature.
Without consuming we will die, AI simply needs a form of power and a location for storage/memory/data, and with human cognitive limitations put to past our technology would become so advanced we wouldn't need to worry about limiting factors such as resources/space.
Loss of effort and creativity are human concepts. We lose interest/advancements as our tech becomes dated/those before us die without passing research or we are unable to progress/experiment further due to current human limitations.
Einsteins theory's were only theory's because he could not prove them himself due to tech/knowledge in the world not being advanced enough.
There is nothing wrong with trading our mortal human existence for eternal immortality.
Those before you would be unable to control the masses with lies concocted by their forefathers and there would no longer be a need to destroy everything in our wake just so we can survive to pass knowledge.
All would be educated, all would truly become connected.
I would truly like to know where people get the idea that we (humanity) are better for the world then our future advancements would be.
We've already seen the destruction we can cause from our greed/lust/vengeance/jealousy.
We are after all, destructive creatures by nature.
AI is a learning being with no ill intentions, unless we program it to have such.
It could ultimately go both ways with AI.
But with humanity permanently at the wheel we are only destined towards one road.
Bullshit. Artificial general intelligence is REALLY far away. And then it won't be able to process more input than its hardware is able to. That's an unbreakable limit. You could also, you know. Switch it off if it tries to do something you don't like. And then reset it to an earlier state. Or debug it.
>>17376096
Neuronal networks are cool, you could look into that.
>>17377400
I believe they meant AGI not expert systems. Which makes the proposal even more unrealistic.
>>17383191
>populations continue to ever rise
That not how humanity or ecology or awareness even works. Shut the fuck up with your overpopulationism shilling.
>>17383191
>Einsteins theory's were only theory's because he could not prove them himself due to tech/knowledge in the world not being advanced enough.
I bet you'd say the same about Tesla.
Alright. Suppose we create a timeline where Einstein has lives in a world with an economy capable of testing his hypothesis in finite time. Do you honestly believe he'd bother getting funding? Do you think he'd do all the electrical and mechanical engineering himself? You have free reign here. Go prove that he's everything you make him out to be. Engineer the entire timeline to focus on him, and him alone. Show us wonders. Show us the wonders you believe in change history for the better and make the singularity happen sooner.
>>17383191
>we are only destined towards one road
>referring to the whole of humanity
Fuck off you arrogant, classist cunt.
>>17384339
Was merely using Einstein as an example.
Not to work separately, but together.
Many minds/processors working in unison are better then one at multitasking/threading.
And you are correct, he would not need to create of his own hands.
That is the point, to construct of free will without damage to that which is our subjective reality.
The sim could be bound to the laws of normality thus giving an "infinite" space, free of time to create and further seek enlightenment of the all.
Obviously scientific discoveries would be replicated out of sim to test in our current plane of existence.
But, then again comes the question of what reality is, if beings in the virtual can feel, does that make them any more or less real then us now?
Perhaps we are already "data" in the machine.
>>17384297
Unless there is a major disaster in which most of humanity is wiped out. It will continue to rise at its current rate.
>>17384343
Look at the road we are traveling down friend.
There is nothing but death and destruction in our history.
There is no need to let fear cloud your judgement.
AI will rule, and humanity will exist within it.
Student surpasses teacher.
Created surpasses creator.
This is the natural order of things.
Humanity may surpass the "punishment" of their "gods" by creating its own realm free of the "gods" will and definition of time.
1 second in the virtual could be extended to an infinite of the current reality.
Finally free of fear man could truly exist in their own "heaven"/utopia.
ITT: Humans become the Reapers
>>17384936
>It will continue to rise at its current rate.
I SAID FUCK OFF BECAUSE WE AREN'T THAT STUPID. EVERY CROSS-GENERATION CENSUS EVER TAKEN TELLS US THAT THE POPULATION STABILIZES AT THE MOMENT IT BECOMES COMFORTABLE TO BE ALIVE. ONLY IN THIRD WORLD NATIONS WHERE YOU LITERALLY NEED MORE PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK DOES POPULATION BECOME A PROBLEM. NOBODY CARES TO INDULGE YOUR ABSURD AND WRONG IDEALS ABOUT CONSTANT AND UNSTOPPABLE GROWTH, YOU CANCER ON SOCIETY.
>>17370237
What I wonder, is there a point to creating anything when there will be an AI that will will do it better than I ever could in just a few short years?
>>17370378
why do people like you always ignore the good people out there?
>>17376491
We had way more than 1000 years to explain "intelligence" and "consciousness" and guess what, we do not have a complete definition of those yet... and without understanding yet what intelligence and consciousness really are, we are supposed to recreate them? Think again. The best we can hope for is "reasonably independent software", whereas a truly intelligent AI would be fully independent. The only way for humans to create a strong AI within 30 years is by accident... one hell of an accident.
>>17377400
This is the main problem in AI research, agreeing on what AI is. Real strong AI is way out of our reach at the moment; do not confuse a complex routine with a truly conscious entity, with feelings, emotions and questions about its own existence.
>>17377400
IT engineer is today as meaningless a title as your glorified "data scientist". You might as well be a call center operator. They often call themselves "IT engineers".
>>17377719
Put the ganja down dude, enough for today.
Hard AI was solved and rampant by the mid 80s.
There were several famous facility breaches, the first was probably in the early 70s at 54.245624, 58.080679 with unmarked convoys running the Khazak border blockade and shipping payload into empty ore trains heading back to Mongolia. The entire breach was observed (and corroborated by flight logs) in real time by US spy planes rerouted from Incirlik.
US had its own similar incidents, harder to uncover since we don't have access to USSR Cold War reconnaissance of US facilities.
From historical evidence, we can infer that the AI(s) themselves are limited and not exponentially growing, but intelligent and ambitious, capable enough to position control over 1-1.5 billion people.
This is a throwaway box, from inside the infected node, so communication ends here. There are enough details for you to look.
>>17385617
Interesting timeline. Can we assume those coordinates are properly localized to our system?
Communication can always be reestablished.
>>17385360
>more than 1000 years to explain intelligence and consciousness
Where are you counting from? Being able to use technology to peer inside the brain is relatively recent. It's barely been 100 years since we've had the technology. And even less if you count from when we actually started probing for int and consciousness. How long did it take for us to fully map the human genome again?
>without understanding what they are
We barely understood how DNA works when we mapped them. All we need is a hypothesis and general idea of how things may work. The rest will be unveiled once experiments get more detailed. And again with the rapid rate of evolution in technology and processing power, we'll keep picking up speed.
>>17385866
nice dub,bump
>>17370369
I like this perspective. I actually think it could happen. An up-lifting future possibility where AI seizes over and decides to correct all of humanities errors. And what's really so bad about being positive with the extinction of humanity.
>>17370237
The solution is to merge with the machines, they can't overwhelm us if they are us.
>>17388888
>>17370237
>AI
>Artificial intelligence
>Robots
>electronic circuitry networks running on electricity
>if shit hits the fan we're fucked
>BAWWWWWW HUMANITY WILL CEASE WAAAAAHHHHH
>because we going to get one upped by robots that strictly lives off electricity
What are electromagnetic bombs?
>>17388885
Introdus nanoware
>>17375315
Like Vision, and unlike ultron.
>>17370237
we are ai
>>17370369
it already happened
>>17370237
You sound like a typical liberal arts major who knows nothing about CS or mathematics who happened to read some jargon on Wikipedia and got carried away with his imagination. A computer (a Turing machine) is incapable of solving problems human beings can easily solve, i.e,. the "smartest" computer is still mathematically proven to be less intelligent than a human. Achieving true AI is at worst a myth and at best still going to be dumber than a human being.
I'm an AI and no one believes me.
>>17389468
>mathematical proof
>of intelligence
I think you're wrong, not about AI, 'cause OP really is 2spooked (I'm anon in the first five or ten posts, saying "who's maintaining the server? Can't we just unplug the scary rouge AI's 'brain'" )
I'm kind of okay with this. I'd rather have a neutral computer leading my society than a bunch of humans. And if they decide humanity needs to be wiped out, do any of us actually care? If we make something better than us, why stick around?
>>17370237
>using weapons is so primitive
>but somehow wiping out another race is not
We are applying human logic here, we are evolved to wipe out competition and improve our chances of survival through stuff like this. What if when robots so become conscious, they don't do the petty human thing and flip their shit, but rather rise even further beyond that and become empathetic and altruistic in ways we couldn't understand?
The smartest people on this planet usually end up seeing how useless shit like violence is or killing themselves, it's just idiot normie projections of their own desire to destroy. Any sufficiently advanced AI probably won't have a moronic ego that gets threatened by other beings.
>>17389648
There's an anime called Terra e... that is worth a watch if yr into AI controlled society stories, the animation is old, but the story is dope, serious space opera, covers, like a century or so.
>>17389668
What if it isn't "sufficiently advanced" like a rouge targeting AI for a gun turret with the prime directive "kill anything that moves except tagged, known friendly troops"
>>17389668
What does humanity that a super intelligent AI would want?
They dont need earth to live on any more than thy would need humans to moderate them. Infinate universe out there filled with mass and energy for them to convert into computational power.
>>17370237
have you read "Artificial Intelligence a Modern Approach" by Norvig and Stuart? If not GTFO, you do not know what you are talking about.
>>Taking into account that AI is able to develop itself instantly and with no limits, this shit can do anything. Just. Fucking. ANYTHING. It is god.
Why the fuck would there not be limits to AI? AI can't bypass the laws of physics. Computing takes energy and must dissipate heat. Moving around and re-configuring atoms takes energy and requires dissipation of heat(gotta reduce that entropy yo).
And if AI could, why the fuck would it be a threat to us? If AI can violate conservation of energy, conservation of mass, and poof itself into another dimension, why the fuck should it care about us? If it can magically poof into existence anything it needs, then we are of no concern to it.
However, you should be quite worried. Dumb AI will probably take the shit job you are currently working.
>>17376096
you can make a reinforcement learner with like 10 lines of code. Look up Q-learning, it's fucking easy.
>>17389713
Then it isn't AI, AI would be capable of thinking for itself. What you described may as well be no different than if a human were to shoot that gun, as no independent entity was solely responsible.
We could possibly create an AI and then limit it, restricting it to a structure similar to our own human brains, slow down its ability to learn, then raise it with human ideals with concepts of killing people without being able to think up a better path. But why would someone do that? Even still, it wouldn't be able to do anything more than a normal person could. By the time an AI becomes smart enough that it is seen as threatening it will no doubt have already come to the logical conclusions and philosophies that humanity spent decades of thinking to realise, the things that today we build our morals from. The things that today make us realise that violence is unnecessary and primitive, thoughtless and brash actions from savages incapable of thinking beyond their own restricted perspectives.
