Official Bernie Sanders thread!
#feelthebern
#sandersforpresident
>voting for a commie
you guys have 0 (ZERO) poltical, economic or historical knowledge.
absolutely no respect or regard for american values, beliefs, culture, way of life.
back to /r/sandersforpresident, commie cucks.
>>1102758
this
It's weird seeing how effective Communist brainwashing has been for people in this country(USA).
>>1102758
Waaaah waaaah muh muh feeluns.
>>1102810
>leftists summed up in one sentence
>>1102758
>voting for a capitalist
>>1102743
>>1102787
We cannot say we were not warned
>>1102758
>you guys have 0 (ZERO) poltical, economic or historical knowledge.
>says the guy that can't figure out the difference between the history of democratic socialist theory and communism.
How does it feel to lose because the majority of your base are 14 year old retards that attacked Trump instead of Hilary 24/7 because CNN convinced them to? I honestly feel bad for the people voting Bernie that aren't quite as retarded (though those people have long abandoned ship and are on the TRUMP train now).
>>1102746
>not posting the real version
>>1104006
>it's alright to steal someone's stuff as long as an angry mob does it
>>1102743
>>1104006
>The "democratic" socialism meme
Nice b8, have a (You)
>>1104095
THAT IS NOT WORTHY OF SIMON AND GARFUNKEL
NOT WORTHY.
>>1104174
What?
http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/bernie-sanders-simon-and-garfunkel-america-art-garfunkel-1201686260/
>>1102743
Sweet! I tought they only had cuck threads on adult gif.
>>1104305
>tought
How do Bernie supporters feel about Bernie wasting their donation money?
Can they justify that family trip Bernie took to the Vatican City?
>>1102743
RIP Bernie
>thread barely gets going
>already drumpf supporters showing up
>Bernouts still sucking the last bit of semen out of a cock that has already reached its climax
>>1102758
I mean, yes you're right. America was built on the values of rich guys telling poor guys to be mad at people without actually explaining anything.
>>1104564
America was built on the values of "fuck the native americans, they are culturally inferior and are a waste of the land they live on."
No wrong choices were made.
>>1104166
How is socialism in any way a threat to democracy? We currently live in a system where politicians are bought by corporations, defining if not what the politicians do, then how the debate gets framed, because any position that's not profitable to them won't get funded, and you're worried about a guy who is funding his campaign outside that system not being democratic enough? You've got it completely backwards.
>>1104577
>How is socialism in any way a threat to democracy?
Have you even heard of the Soviet Union? East Germany? Venezuela, Campodia, Yugoslavia, Romania?
>>1104579
Ever heard of Chile?
>>1104581
Yes. Are you going somewhere with that question?
>>1104579
Don't forget that the US supported the Khmer Rouge.
>>1104583
Do you know anything about pre-Pinochet?
>>1104585
Not particularly. I'll also note that you rather ungracefully avoided my question.
>>1104588
Well, as for your question, which of those countries outright stated that they were attempting Democratic Socialism? East Germany was part of the Soviet Union, which was following a Communist ideology derived from the works of Karl Marx. Socialism itself predates Marx's works.
As for Chile though, why not look it up yourself? Find out how he came to power and why. It might be illuminating for you.
>>1104591
>Well, as for your question, which of those countries outright stated that they were attempting Democratic Socialism?
I don't understand the question. Most socialist states have (or have had) "democratic" in their names. Even North Korea pretends to be a democracy. I like to think of it as a running gag.
>East Germany was part of the Soviet UnionI don't know if you just misspoke or if you're misinformed, but the German """""""""""Democratic"""""""""" Republic was allied to the USSR. It wasn't a part of it.
>As for Chile though, why not look it up yourself?
I can think of a few reasons not to bother, and you're doing a bad job at motivating me. You never answered my question about where you were going with it, and consider the following: I could spend that time watching porn, petting a cat, or learning Old English.
Also, I don't even know what definition of "social democracy" you're operating with. I don't know if you would identify as a liberal or if you would view liberals as ideological enemies. I don't know if you consider e.g. Norway an admirable role model, or a detestable western state for bourgeois pigs.
>>1104621
>I don't know if you consider e.g. Norway an admirable role model, or a detestable western state for bourgeois pigs.
Some of the Scandinavian countries seem to have pretty good models, yeah. I never argued for total abolition of capitalist systems.
>I don't know if you just misspoke or if you're misinformed, but the German """""""""""Democratic"""""""""" Republic was allied to the USSR. It wasn't a part of it.
Its creation was mandated by Joseph Stalin himself after they took over that area in WWII. Yeah sure that's an "alliance". They were called satellite states for a reason.
>>1104305
>>1104629
>Some of the Scandinavian countries
what did you mean by this? there are only three of them. is Sweden the exception?
>>1104579
A social safety net is not socialism.
You retards don't know a goddamned thing about politics you just repeat what the idiot box tells you
>>1104677
this is a sanders thread. sanders is a socialist. it is perfectly reasonable to talk about socialism in a thread about socialists. I don't know why you would object to this.
>>1104680
He isn't. You can say his taxes are retarded, especially his financial transaction ones. But in no case has he ever suggested not using a market economy
>>1104685
"While at the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People's Socialist League"...
>>1104686
So between university and running for president, nothing has changed for him? Joining a club with the name socialist is just irrefutable proof to you?
I will ask again: when has he ever suggested to move away from a market economy?
>>1104688
>when has he ever suggested to move away from a market economy?
when he joined the Young People's Socialist League.
>>1104690
Wow, very nimble argument. I can see you have a very good brain.
Sanders is irrelevant at this point, but I hope that after the butthurt of reality kicks in you guys would vote Gary Johnson or Jill Stein instead. Thanks for helping us getting Trump elected.
>>1104692
It wasn't an "argument", it was an answer to your question.
I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with your post beyond looking salty.
>>1104534
Nice forced meme there faget. where'd you get it, tumblr or reddit?
Not much of a sanders supporter but it pretty much sucks that you can't even make an innocent fun gif/webm thread without people ruining it. You don't see this kind of shitposting in the Trump threads, sad.
>>1104534
>Bernie and Berni victims just cry about competition, let them walk all over themselves, and be beta cucks in general.
>Trump and Trumpeters BTFO of their competition, viciously meme their enemies out of existence, and be alpha in general.
Cry more bitch nigga.
As a person, Bernie is OK in my book. If you're a civil rights type of person, he'd be your guy. Most of his policies are over-the-top though, and really wouldn't work in a country this large. I know tons of people who see it the Sanders' way, but just can't imagine it happening the way he envisions it. I'm one of them.
>>1104780
Bernie supporters do it at Trump rallies. Not always in a peaceful way either.
>>1104870
sums up how i feel about sanders honestly.
>>1104780
Bernie isn't memey enough, doesn't make enough funny faces, or has enough "one punch" phrases that his fans chant constantly. He isn't Hitler is what I'm saying.
>>1104954
Holy shit, 'Do as I say, not as I do' and people are literally cheering it.
>"if I had to take responsibly for everybody who voted for me it would be a very difficult life"
Well, not really. I'm sure you've got a spare hour you could donate to it.
>>1104728
Trump's broke. Get out your wallet's kids.
Oh and ask him to agree to a debate already. What's he afraid of?
>>1104979
He has no control over it, and he denounces it. A Nevada office of his was shot into for crying out loud.
Trump on the other hands talks tough all the times and at best sends mixed signals. What are you a Hillary supporter?
I'm not at all a Bernie supporter but it's just funny to me how aggressive Trump supporters have been against Bernie despite the whole "he's a businessman, not a politician" mindset.
>>1102758
/thread
>>1102758
>no respect for american values
>meanwhile shilling for Trump, China's greatest ally
>>1105089
Bernie already lost. No point in debating losers, Trump has nothing to gain. Hillary is the real opponent here.
>>1105118
>>China's greatest ally
>>1105101
I'm not sure if posting on the internet counts as being aggressive, compared to Bernie supporters jumping on police cars and throwing bottles at people
>>1105099
>he denounces it
He clearly doesn't. You guys like to think that he can do no wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the rhetoric of a political revolution has something to do with it. It's like a cult.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/bernie-sanders-loses-his-halo-213911
>>1104095
>Virtually no black people present in the whole webm
Just like the type of society that could actually work using Sanders' plan.
>>1104581
The least shitty country in south America thanks to Pinochet?
>>1104095
>mfw Mexico flag at 0:05
>>1102758
This desu.
>>1104688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psp-r68mo8k
>>1103773
But that's...good. Admittedly he does seem to want SOME kind of universal healthcare which is gross and I would prefer was not the case, but you can't win everything.
>>1105216
It's actually on of the freest markets in the world, with mises helping to design it's economy, dunno what this guy is getting at
>>1104581
>Chile is socialist
Is like saying Mexico is socialist because they have Social Healthcare (if you work and pay taxes)
You fucking cucks don't even know what you are taking about, I've been in Chile (a friend is studying there ATM) and they are as Capitalist as yui can be, and probably laugh at anyone implying otherwise.
t. Mexican
>>1105234
pure capitalism is broken, just like pure socialism is. it's time to progress forward. feel the bern.
>>1105301
You are talking of those measly three years of presidency that gave room for Pinochet to take over? That Allende?
>>1104115
As a tax resister, I feel the same way.
>>1105135
He denounces it. Trump barely ever mentions it. And you're reading Hillary/DNC press
The "cult" is for the real promise of the USA, the "cult" is for the New Deal that served us so well in the past. You want America great again, time to emulate the better aspects of the past.
>>1105119
You don't know how the Democratic party elects it's candidate. Those "super delegates" can, and should, flip their votes.
If the threshold isn't reached by Hillary, by actual pledged delegates, she's only got the supers to fall back on, and she's not looking good right now.
Both presumptives look like shit right now. Only a smaller portion of the country is going to vote. The Trump camp is afraid to debate Bernie because there's still a chance.
Bernie Sanders is not a fucking socialist, even a democratic socialist. He is misusing the term. He is a social democrat, and social democracy is exactly what we used to fucking have in this country before Reagan and Clinton and Bush fucking destroyed it, and the middle class began evaporating.
>>1105444
Trips for truth.
Can't wait for a president Sawant, so we can have Sawant threads
>>1105124
He has free trade deals in china you scrub.
>>1102743
>reddit the thread
You gotta go back
>>1104095
Zero substance, only vague feels. Yep, it's Bernie alright.
>>1104954
>I can't take responsibility for the people who voted for me
>Now let me tell you why you need to elect me PRESIDENT
Senile old fart.
>>1105437
Sometimes I wish I could live in la la land.
Tuesday is gonna be great.
>>1105444
So your point is that your candidate doesn't know what he is talking about?
Here lies two options, either Sanders is an idiot, or you just can't handle the truth and need to rationalize anyway you can?
>>1105437
>Being this delusional
>Filtered
>>1105296
Some things I agree with paying taxes for, eg. roads, sewage systems etc.
But pretty much everything else the government shouldn't touch, they're just too fucking awful at it. And it certainly shouldn't tell private businesses what they can do.
>>1105468
>>reddit the thread
>mostly Trump supporters
>>1105532
The best part is that even without superdelegates Bernie is still the loser.
Literally a meme candidate.
Trumples won't be laughing when Trump pulls in under 30% of the popular vote nationally when hillary wins 60% of the woman and 90% of the minority vote
>>1105508
Considering republicans spent 8 years calling Obama a socialist when he's a pretty strict constitutionalist is pretty vindicating of this fact.
Literally call yourself whatever, it doesn't matter.
Socalist polled better with the demographic sanders was appealing to; it doesn't matter if it specifically defines him as a person.
Most people in the US actually thinks a president has significant sway and can influence massive policy changes like "Free College" or building a wall.
It doesn't work like that at all. No matter who gets elected, its going to be business as usual. Presidents only influence change 5-10+ years down the line after they leave office. That's the whole point of obamacare, setting the foundation for some sort of socialized medicine in the united states, finally.
Why are you idiots wasting your time. Bernie sandman already lost. The super delegates have already made up there mind.
>>1105532
This is still their intent, I know. But Bernie has had a closer lead on Hillary than Cruz ever did on Trump. She still hasn't reached the number.
Do I really need to repeat myself though? (I'll sage) Hillary is looking worse by the day with this indictment stuff. Even if they drop it or shuffle it away, it's going to hurt her in the remaining states and Bernie stands to keep sweeping them. He's going to the convention where a small group of people will have to do the math and decide for us all if we have Bernie or Hillary. If she's losing in polls now, they'll have to go with Bernie. Unless they're corrupt too. There IS still a chance.
>>1105550
She might not pull that in a general election. The stats don't look good.
>>1105579
Oooo, you scared now.
;-(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAJ_74tDZzU
>>1102758
>socdem who has worked with Democrats for years
>communist
>communists wasting time and energy voting in bourgeois elections
>>1105517
>don't touch my Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan
it looks like the trump supporters are infiltrated by the people they hate.
>>1103773
too fucking right
>>1105726
Elaborate your point or don't post.
>>1105726
Pretty sure that anon was referencing Trump's speed policy against big businesses. I don't know about government having NO influence it's a good thing either. You don't want companies destroying smaller companies. No competition, no reason to make the service or good better or have low prices. I don't think the government should rape the big companies either.
>>1105870
>You don't want companies destroying smaller companies. No competition, no reason to make the service or good better or have low prices.
Uh, competition will always occur if a service can either offer better services or the same services for cheaper. If companies are being destroyed it's because they have no place, if they did they would be succeeding.
The only thing the government should do in regards to private businesses are enforce they are held to signed contracts and prevent them breaking the laws that affect any citizen, eg. they can't start killing people.
>>1105883
>if a service
if a business*
Feel the bern!
>>1104095
>>1105488
>>1104174
>tfw Bernie was the only shot we had at a descent candidate this run
>cant even win the nominee
>still trying
bern victim is the most pathetic
>>1103773
If you're not voting for a capitalist then you're seriously fucking up
>>1105883
Because everyone uses comcast because it's the most innovative and efficient company.
The terms you'll want to google before you reply to this are natural monopolies and tragedy of the commons.
>>1102743
>>1104577
>How is socialism in any way a threat to democracy?
Because democracy cannot exist in a society in which private property and private enterprise do not exist.
>>1104680
>sanders is a socialist.
No, he is not.
>>1105508
>So your point is that your candidate doesn't know what he is talking about?
Yes.
>Here lies two options, either Sanders is an idiot, or you just can't handle the truth and need to rationalize anyway you can?
He is an idiot, yes. However, I have always preferred incompetent good over competent evil.
>>1106201
Well it's a good thing Sanders is a capitalist, then. Can't wait to vote for him on the 7th, even if he won't win.
>>1102743
>>1106354
>>1106359
>>1106354
>that forced cackle
It's killing me
>>1106366
Eh, I've never been on board with these sorts of (usually gendered) criticisms of her voice or appearance. I mean, hell, MY laugh kind of sounds like hers sometimes.
No, the main reason I oppose Hillary Clinton is because she was on the board of directors for Walmart, and because of her paid private speeches to Goldmann-Sachs. She has absolutely zero credibility as an economic progressive.
>>1106362
>>1106373
>>1106374
>>1106377
Holy fuck there are so many typos on this thread.
It's painful how many Trump supporters are in here.
>>1106380
Now I'm going to post three webms from each of the three candidates who were in the race at the start of the primary process. The subject is Bashar Al-Assad.
>>1106383
>>1106386
>>1106388
One last serious webm, then it's bird time.
>>1106400
By which I mean it's bed time, because apparently the two webms I made of the bird incident are both just slightly too big to post. I guess I'll reencode them later.
>>1102758
I got 99% on my political science final dude
>>1103773
>not voting for a capitalist
>>1103773
>not knowing the history of socialism
pleb 14 year old redditor?
yeah everyone lets vote the warmongering jew into office, theres no way we cant totally fuck this up and become even more enslaved to israel than we already are LOL!!!!!
>>1106321
>No, he is not.
Not anyone you've been talking to but you can't call this an argument or even a semi-reasonable response. I know it sounds cool and super-smart to give short, poignantly pompous retorts but you just sound like an asshole honestly. You basically said "No you're wrong, I'm right". Makes me hate you bernfags even more.
>>1105488
>>1102758
as opposed to Trump's complete lack of policy? Bernie literally has a plan beyond "muh feels" while Trump's rhetoric is nothing BUT fucking feels you useless fucking moutbreathers. I'm so tired of you conservative fucking retards going "WAAHHH people aren't white??? WAAHHHH I he said happy holidays instead of christmas!! WAAAAHHHHHH I want people to DIE if they can't afford things, I deserve THEIR things" like a bunch of whiny little monsters mad that mommy wants you to share and then you turn right the fuck around and act like it's the liberals who are feelers. Patriotism and nationality and identity and all that bullshit are nothing but fucking feelings.
>>1105454
Son, do you even know what trade deals are?
>>1102743
>be 2016
>democrats have elected Stalin wannabe
>republicans have elected Mussolini wannabe who supports leftist legislation
>the libertarians, supposedly the liberty-loving people of America, have elected an authoritarian as well
We've earned whatever grisly end meets us in the next 10 years. Ron Paul, forgive us
>>1102743
>>1107795
Like what? So far all I've heard about Bernie's policies is "I'm lazy and the government should take care of me" and fucking weeeeeeed duuuuuuude
>>1107771
Well, I AM right. He's not a socialist.
He believes in private property.
He believes in private enterprise.
Therefore, he is not a socialist. QE fucking D.
When even nature is rooting for you, nothing can stop you.
>>1102743
If you are actually supporting this senile socialist piece of shit then I hope you and your entire family dies a painful death.
>>1108256
That's really pathetic man
>americans shouting "commie!" at a social democrat
I guess taking the step towards becoming a proper developed country feels a bit awkward for you. Just take your time America, and join the rest of us when you feel ready.
oh woe if America would go the same way and become a social democratic nation like England, Germany, France or Sweden.
Truly horrible, communist nightmares, those...
I am eastern european and socialism is fucking cancer regardless of whether it presents itself as communism or social democracy.
Literally the only reason why i cheer for that old senile jew to stay in the race is to fuck up Shillary's chances of winning the presidency (which tbqh are already pretty low)
America needs Trump.
sanders is going to lose you guys are delusional
I hope you're ready to lick Clinton's bean or vote for based Trump
>>1108296
I dont think there are people that genuinely believe that sanders ever stood a chance mate.
Not even americans are stupid enough to elect a communist into the office.
>>1108295
Socialists are delusional and won't even listen to people who lived in socialist states. Just like how if you explain why communism is shit in and is proved by history they try to claim that none of these communist countries were actually communist.
>>1102743
What is this guy's appeal?
>False promises
>Wants to bring back communism
>Looks like a wrinkly testicle
At least Trump is funny and Hillary represents all evil, what does this guy have and why hasn't he dropped out?
>>1108300
At this point I'm willing to believe he's a trump supporter trying to crash the Democratic Party with no survivors.
>>1107795
lol it's the opposite. Sanders plan is to raise taxes, because that's what everyone wants right?
>>1108303
Would explain the behavior of his supporters
>>1108296
>based
>a fucking oompa loompa that got his head shaved on fucking WWE
>thinks vaccinations cause autism and that global warming is a myth perpetrated by the Chinese
>backed out of debating Bernie after several millions were offered to support a charity if the debate went through
>flip flops more often than fucking hillary 'gibsmedat vote' clinton
you're more delusional than the bernouts in this thread
>>1104629
Norwegian here, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Please stop using us as an example.
>>1102758
>you guys have 0 (ZERO) poltical, economic or historical knowledge.
>absolutely no respect or regard for american values, beliefs, culture, way of life.
I bet you can't tell the difference between social democracy, democratic socialism or socialism.
Americans have 0 understanding of basic political economy - you included.
>>1108298
Yes, socialism is bad.
>pillage the movement for ideas over and over
We truly live in a capitalist society.
>capitalism is inherently amoral, thus power always flows to the state in an attempt to control it
All of us and our land are absolutely free.
>anti-trust laws, competition laws
Where democracy and the will of the people reign supreme.
>failure to contain capitalism will result in rampant government corruption as corporations attempt to rig the game in their favour
A system that is natural, and beautiful.
>competition is not a sustainable long-term model, which is why monopolies arise, we long for each other and security
That will keep going forever and ever.
>automation will render menial labour obsolete, it will happen in your lifetime, and depending who will benefit from this, there may be violence
Life is beautiful without communism or socialism.
>it will never go away, it will keep haunting capitalism until it dies
>>1104950
This man can't defend the mic from escapes zoo animals then how can he protect the US
>>1105224
are you a fucktard or an asswipe?
>>1107795
found the non-white
>>1109402
>someone disagrees with me
>therefore they must be a member of one of the races I want to exterminate
>>1109402
Its fine to be non-white. Its how you act is all that matters. He's not wrong, patriotism and "national identity" are matters of opinion and shouldn't be part of one's political platform. Especially when you have barely anything else to offer, and blame practically everything on either the Mexicans or the Chinese.
As long as I don't have Nazis patrolling the streets I'm fine. Ditto for Feminazis.
>>1104531
One of my all time favorite wbms
>>1106359
Bernie's spilling his spaghetti
>>1109411
It's not about genocide, it's just that we can't get a white male Republican into office anymore thanks to demographic changes.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-liberal-millennial-revolution/470826/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341066/Whites-soon-minority-American-children-age-5.html
>>1104581
one of the most capitalistic economies in the world and thriving because of it?
>>1105624
because the dem primaries are proportional you retarded namefag. The same reason he has zero chance of catching up in delegates.
>>1109556
Um, okay?
The problem isn't that they're white males. The problem is that they are republicans.
Not counting 2004 (when we were in the midst of the collective stupidity and mass panic that was the "war on terror"), a republican hasn't won the popular vote for the presidency since 1988.
It has very little to do with demographic change, and much more to do with the country's spiritual evolution away from the southern protestant barbarism of the 1870s and towards the western european liberalism of the 1960s. We are rejecting your candidates because of their ideology, not their race.
>>1109715
Like the article is saying, the fact that millennials have never been so diverse before has everything to do with this shift.
Trump is one of the most progressive candidates the Republican party has ever had, but his position on immigration makes him literally Hitler.
>>1109715
>We are rejecting your candidates because of their ideology, not their race.
meanwhile, everywhere liberals gather and discuss ideology
>WHITE MALES ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN THE FUCKING UNIVERSE AND NEED TO BE ENDED
>FUCK EVERYTHING ANY WHITE MALE HAS EVER DONE
do you think anyone actually believes your horseshit? not to mention the smug description of the west's shift to the left as "spiritual evolution". hurr more people agree with me now so obviously society is more advanced
>>1109385
kek sure thing comrade
Daily reminder that not even niggers are stupid enough to for that old senile communist fart
MAGA 2016
>>1109715
>western european liberalism of the 1960s
mfw burgerclaps are literally so retarded that they dont even realise that classical european liberalism is essentially libertarianism and thus much better represented by republicans than democrats
>>1105946
sauce ? dont know how to search this
>>1109945
I'm not sure what country you're imagining but America's republican party doesn't even agree that a smaller government or less taxes are better than bigger and more anymore. The only things uniting the current republican party in the US are ultra-nationalism, authoritarianism, and xenophobia and if we're looking for an example of that in Europe's history I can think of a pretty big one and I wouldn't exactly describe it as "libertarian."
>>1109972
>this fucking cuck
>>1109972
That could be true, but even if smaller government formed the tiniest part of republican principles, it would still be miles closer to actual liberalism than democrats have ever been (or given recent developments will ever get)
>>1109972
also, ignoring that you do not have single proof for any of these claims :
>ultra-nationalism
As if that was bad.
>authoritarianism
As if democrats the left wasn't essentially pushing for totalitarian state.
>xenophobia
Xenophobia could be designed as hate of foreigners. One could argue whether the left's hate of native population isnt much worse.
>>1109972
>borders are racist
>>1109889
Maybe it's the fact that I'm a white male, but whenever I go to these "liberal gatherings" where we discuss ideology, I have never heard a single person saying any of the shit you people claim we say.
Conservatives can't win arguments unless they strawman their opponents. To hear them tell it, every single liberal is a 14 year old radical feminist from Tumblr.
>>1109945
I am perfectly aware of the distinction between modern american liberalism and classical european liberalism. I was referring to the former, not the latter, and you are being a pedant by insisting that only the latter is a valid usage of the term. Language evolves, retard.
Also, lol at thinking republicans want small government libertarianism. They're a bunch of big government totalitarians.
>>1110011
>They're a bunch of big government totalitarians
Same as democrats then.
>>1110011
Modern liberalism is just a buzzword for autoritarian socialism so fuck yes i think that classical liberalism is the true liberalism.
Taking socialism and calling it liberalism wont change what it is, much like chopping your dick off with a meat cleaver wont make you woman either.
>>1110012
The question is not whether someone is a democrat or a republican. Most democrats are just republicans in disguise. The question is who funds them, and who their friends are.
Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors for Walmart, and has received campaign contributions from Goldmann-Sachs and other big banks. She will therefore use the power of government to benefit her friends at Walmart and Goldmann-Sachs.
Bernie Sanders, by contrast, will use the power of government to benefit the PEOPLE, by instituting a single payer healthcare system (which, by the way, will actually SAVE taxpayer money, since Medicare is allowed to negotiate prices, and thus pays on the order of 10 times less for medical goods and services than for-profit insurance companies), by instituting tuition-free public higher education (which, again, will save taxpayers money because it will presumably give the government the authority, as with Medicare, to audit and negotiate, and thus drive down tuition prices generally), by slashing funding to our engorged military industrial complex, and by ending policies of mass incarceration and deportation that have bloated and militarized our criminal justice system in a way which has cost us billions.
So who's the liberal? Who's the one who will actually save us money and shrink the cost of government? Not Clinton. Not the neocons.
>>1110015
>Modern liberalism is just a buzzword for autoritarian socialism
Oh look, another idiot who doesn't know what "socialism" means.
There isn't a single elected democrat in the entire goddamned country who doesn't believe in private property and private enterprise. Therefore not a single one of them is a socialist. Not a single fucking one. Not even Sanders.
Conservatives grow ever more desperate by the day, calling everyone left and right a socialist.
>>1110026
>Not even Sanders.
Sanders literally described himself as one fampai.
And dont come at me with that 'but he's a DEMOCRATIC socialist' nonsense.
Would calling myself democratic fascist or democratic national socialist magically make me trustable and electable?
>>1110027
>Sanders literally described himself as one fampai.
And he's wrong.
He is misusing the term.
As I have REPEATEDLY said throughout this thread.
>And dont come at me with that 'but he's a DEMOCRATIC socialist' nonsense.
He's not even a democratic socialist either.
He's just a social democrat.
>>1110029
Deluded left loves to claim that Trump's policies are literally how Hitler started and enforcing law and protecting national borders will lead to extermination camps.
What they forgot is that increasing the government role by what appears to be well meant social programs is actually how many communist regimes (Czechoslovakia comes to mind) started. Where are the chants that Sanders is literally Stalin?
>>1110032
Well I personally never compared Trump to Hitler, so there's no need to respond to my post on this. You're diverting the argument away from the point at hand.
>>1110026
>ending policies of mass incarceration and deportation that have bloated and militarized our criminal justice system in a way which has cost us billions.
Fuck yeah lets abolish the prison system alltogether, all the tyronee dindu nuffings are victims of the evil justice sytem that are being kept down by the raciss pigs, letting them roam free is literally the only good thing we can do.
>>1110035
>Fuck yeah lets abolish the prison system alltogether
Yet more strawmanning by desperate conservatives.
Can't argue against a policy position? Mischaracterize it as an extreme hyperbolized version of itself, and then argue against the now distorted and indefensible caricature! When you control what your opponents say, you win every debate!
>>1110034
All I am saying is that by allowing government to expand their role in everyday lives might be setting a dangerous precedent that has already existed through the eastern europe. Again bringing up Czechoslovakia because while in any other eastern european country communsits got to power through coup's or soviet influence, it was the only country that elected them into power.
And social democrats played a vital role in letting them take the power bit by bit by brutally crushing any resistance to government collectivization programs as nazi sympathisers and former collaborants.
>>1110037
>All I am saying is that by allowing government to expand their role in everyday lives might be setting a dangerous precedent that has already existed through the eastern europe.
It went wrong in eastern Europe because eastern Europe is shitty.
It worked fine in western Europe, because western Europe is not shitty.
I believe America is not shitty.
>>1110039
The single reason why western europe did not share fate of socialism is that, despite the left's best efforts and your greatest wishes, right wing and conservative parties did exist and did limit the endless expansion of government's role in everyday lives.
Look at France. It was the coalition of centre and right parties that prevented the insane levels of nationalization that communists and social democrats advocated.
>>1110048
Actually, the reason why western Europe did not share the fate of socialism is because they didn't elect socialists. They elected social democrats. The happy medium that brought them prosperity.
Czechoslovakia elected literal socialists. The people they elected didn't just say, "Hey, we'll give you a single payer healthcare system!" They said, "We'll give you a single payer healthcare system, oh, and also a socialist fucking state, in which private property and private enterprise do not exist."
As I have said, time and time again, there are no elected (or electable) socialists in the United States of America. We will not share the dismal fate of Czechoslovakia.
>>1110051
>The happy medium that brought them prosperity.
No, America defending them against the Soviets for 50 years brought them prosperity.
Why would anybody not want to vote for Bernie? Blows my mind.
>>1104870
this tbqh
>>1110048
Semi socialist nations. They own property. BTW NONE of these European nations would be able to afford their huge entitlements without the American taxpayer paying for their defense. Which we wont be doing anymore.
>>1110117
Maybe I don't want to be forced by gunpoint to pay for others peoples shit? EH maybe that?
>>1110767
You are always forced to do that. Enjoy living in a country with taxes.
>>1110794
So let's just add to it?
>>1110797
Why not? You pay for people's shit, people pay for your shit if needed.
>>1105946
I love how fitting the music is to it
glorious
>>1110803
Sweet so I'll just go on welfare and be a neet! Fuck work
>>1102743
I hope he wins otherwise I have to vote for Donald Trump
>>1104981
yeaaa-...awww
>>1106404
this one?
>>1104840
>viciously meme their enemies out of existence
kys
>>1105118
Pulled it out my ass: The post
Testing If I'm unbanned
>>1109402
i'm half white so I half like trump
>>1102758
/thread
Also Bernie has about the same chance of becoming president of the US as me. At this point he is a meme that won't die.
>>1104006
>Socialism fails in every nation.
>WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP TRYING IT!
>>1104941
Trump supporters chants: USA, TEAMWORK
Leftist chants: FUCK YOU, FUCK TRUMP WAHHH
Typical.
>>1111333
teamwork? sounds like dirty commiespeak to me
Can't wait to vote for Sanders on the 7th, feeling the Bern.
>>1111333
Triple threes, must be true.
>>1111245
No, you are nothing. Despite how hard the challenge is he does have a chance, even if it's remote. You will always be nothing.
>>1109385
Commie scum pls go
>>1110912
Why not Jill Stein?
She's super kawaii.
>>1111696
Oh my god, her 2012 campaign ad is the most hilarious thing I've ever seen in my entire life. My sides are in fucking orbit right now.
>>1110039
>It went wrong in eastern Europe because eastern Europe is shitty
That sure doesn't sound like racism or anything, you racist.
>>1111728
I was referring to their history of socialism and popular support for socialism, as well as overall political and economic factors that led to the failure of such systems, not their race (which, by the way, is just white, so I'm not sure how saying eastern Europe is shitty while western Europe is not shitty is somehow racist).
>>1111620
Bold words, i can only assume you say them out of realization of your own situation because you know nothing about mine. His chance is zero and you can take that to the bank.
>>1112149
Yeah it sure wasn't the germans dragging them into two world wars with the russians that devastated those countries for decades. Not the mention that they had to face ottomans and mongols for centuries, which again left most countries in flames every 50 years while western europe enjoyed a completely sheltered position, especially the brits and the best naval connections which made them a shitton of money from america. india and asia, yep, it was because they didn't follow your autistic ideas that you just made up, fucking retard.
Jews are just white, how is calling jews money grabbing parasites racist.
>>1109314
this shit is always so stupid are we not supposed to be in a democracy where citizens have an equal say
>>1111709
>when you have to make a commercial with $6
>>1102758
>hurr he's a communist xD look mom i posted it again
>bernie sanders thread!
>fills up with angry trump chumps
i am so surprised
>>1112213
>yep, it was because they didn't follow your autistic ideas that you just made up, fucking retard.
Except that I don't disagree with anything else you just said. It was historical and economic factors, exactly like you're describing. What's your fucking point, dipshit?
look at all these triggered trumpbots
#bernieorbust
>>1104581
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
re you fucking serious right now motherfucker
they're our neighbors and they have the least lefties elected
your post is 10x funnier to a southamerican
>>1112800
>don't post on my thread
you got cucked
>>1109957
It's Soviet Union anthem.
>>1112800
They're white men feeling threatened by multiculturalism, nothing new.
>>1102743
>>1113653
kek
>>1113653
Why haven't I see this one before? His fucking face.
>>1113653
Gold.
>>1106321
>Hurr durr Socialism = Communism
