ITT: Things that need to happen
>Dragon Dance Garchomp
>Nasty Plot Gengar
>Knock Off Tyranitar
>Shell Smash Blastoise
>Slack Off Snorlax
>Inner Strength: a physical version of Hidden Power
>Stealth Rock triggering Weakness Policy
>>26823273
Sing Pidgeot
>>26823273
Female only Goodra
>>26823351
this
/thread
/board
/internet
OP's death.
Retcon of Gale Wings.
Removal of genies.
>>26823559
>Removal of genies.
this even more than >>26823530
i love you and i would suck your cock right now
>>26823559
What's wrong with Gale Wings?
>>26823644
it basically garuntees an instant win
>>26823644
>120 base power +1 priority
>Priority healing
>What wrong with it?
>>26823273
Dark Void Sableye
>>26823273
DD Garchomp shouldn't happen
It gives Zygarde a reason to exist
>>26823644
Oh boy.
Gale Wings has become THE centralizing point of the Singles metagame. I will point out, before anyone claims otherwise, that Talonflame is not overpowered. There ARE counters to Talonflame, obviously. But it IS overcentralizing. It offers far too much power for far too little investment, making it an easy choice for any team, and requiring that every team, even those WITHOUT a Talonflame, carries:
>Stealth Rocks
>Something that can tank two BBs and return a OHKO
>not too many Flying weak mons
Or risk losing several Pokemon to the single easiest revenge killer in the entire metagame. Again, "easy" does not equate to "overpowered," but it does offer far too much for far too little.
Talonflame's easy access power has eliminated a massive amount of Flying-weak Pokemon from the metagame. BL reads like a Who's Who of "Talonflame invalidates this Pokemon's existence."
Even at relatively low base Attack; a 120 BP priority move with an excellent typing, a priority healing move, and BOTH of these coming off a superb Speed stat that makes it so even OTHER priority +1 moves are unlikely to go first make Gale Wings a complete and utter mistake.
Also I'm a Bugfag and Talonflame triggers me.
>>26823783
>Also I'm a Bugfag and Talonflame triggers me.
That's the only reason why you think Gale Wings is overcentralizing. A Pokemon tha tis A rank on the viability ranking doesn't deserve to be banned.
Talonflame is a good mon, but it was VASTLY overhyped for a long time. It is actually better in doubles than it is in singles.
>>26823783
See it's just that everyone runs stealth rocks. Without rocks, I think there would be a M-Charizard X+Talonflame banbeing a bugfag and a Fightingfag is suffering
>>26823273
why is that pepe wearing Blue's jacket
>>26823916
*not a ban, but discussion
>>26823273
Earth Power Typhlosion
>>26823875
Again, I'm not claiming that Talonflame is overpowered. It is quite easily countered by a number of things, hence its lower-than-expected viability ranking. It's not nearly so bad as Gen 4 Garchomp, to the point that there's a "4drag2mag" style meta revolving around the bird. But it is undeniable that Talonflame offers entirely too much power against SEVERAL Pokemon. One single Pokemon should not invalidate an entire type.
The ability Justified needs to negate Dark types moves along with give the boost that it already does.
Only a handful of Pokemon have it so I don't really see it being abused unless its against something like a Yveltal, but in that case you deserve to get fucked by Justified.
>>26823273
>physical version of hidden power
>in a game where Earthquake, Stone Edge, Superpower and the like are learned by literally everything
Name 5 physical mons who would even fucking want that who aren't Talonflame
Sucker Punch Tyranitar
It'd be pretty great
>>26824244
I'm sure there are pokemon that would want to run a physical Ice, Fire, or Electric move for coverage. Being able to get a physical hit on something with 4x Ice or Fire weakness would help out
>>26823916
>being a bugfag and a Fightingfag is suffering
I have to lay down rocks repeatedly and also use T-wave a lot to catch that shitbirb off guard but the satisfaction of knocking it out with Machamp or Conkeldurr is fucking priceless
>>26823916
>be a Bugfag and Fightingfag
>gen 6 nerfs both with Birb and Fairies
FUCKING GAMEFRICK
>>26823273
>ITT: Things that should never happen
>>26824244
>Stone Miss
nigga...
>>26823735
tfw no Dragon Rush Zygarde just because of his shitty Mega
>>26824244
Every Physical grass type thats not Venusaur
Most ghost-types
Anything thats sorely lacking in Coverage
Dragons that dont learn Poison Jab (Which is admittedly like none, and the ones that dont have Iron Head/Tail)
>>26824244
scizor
>>26824291
How's that fat barney reptile thing going to surprise attack anything?
>>26824632
Why the fuck would a Dragon be able to learn Poison Jab?
The only reason you would think this up because you're assblasted from fairies or some shit.
>physical hidden power
Don't be so mean to Natural Gift.
It's sure to come back in the gen 4 remakes.
>>26824659
Haxorus greets you warmly
>>26824659
Because most dragons are covered in sharp things.
Other dragons learn Iron Head/Tail like I said but these two specifically get Poison Jab too
Mach Punch Heracross
>>26824709
>Sharp things means Poison
???
>>26824744
>implying poison jab specifically requires the ability to create poison and not just the ability to stab something
>>26824744
Anything that learns toxic and has the ability to jab can theoretically learn poison jab.
>>26824788
>The target is stabbed with a tentacle or arm steeped in poison. This may also poison the target.
I'd say it does. You don't poison things just by stabing them
>>26823273
>>Inner Strength: a physical version of Hidden Power
I'd actually like this.
>>26824788
Every Pokemon creates fucking poison anyway, they all learn toxic.
>>26824735
Be fucking happy with your mega that already has tons of power and needs twave intimidate to even be taken down without talonflame
>>26823273
>gale wings Skarmory
>metal burst on Wobbuffet
>prankster Smeargle
>shadow tag Chandelure
>sucker punch Tyranitar
>>26824632
>Every Physical grass type thats not Venusaur
So that's Tangrowth, Ferrothorn and Breloom, none of which have a need for that since the former 2 are support mons and the latter hits everything between Bullet Seed, mach Punch and Rock Tomb. Abomasnow doesn't need it, Virizion doesn't need it, Sawsbuck, Trevenant and Torterra don't. The only thing that would benefit from this is Leafeon
>Most ghost-types
Golurk and Aegislash don't need it, Dusknoir gets plenty of coverage already and is still a PU shitmon so a 60 BP coverage move won't help it, especially since it doesn't even get a decent physical ghost move. Sableye's attacking stats are equal but there's no reason for it to use anything but knock off. A Bulk Up set might be good in the same way that Calm mind was popular but this discussion isn't about whether it should learn bulk up or not. That leaves Banette
>Anything thats sorely lacking in Coverage
vague non-answer
you named 2/5, good job
Arcanine with Earthquake
>>26825044
Not that guy, but I can easily give you more. Azumarill and Landorus-t would both like a way to get past Ferrothorn that doesn't come with the stat drops of superpower. Bisharp doesn't necessarily need coverage moves, but it would appreciate the option of running one to surprise a usual check. Scizor would absolutely love getting a technician-boosted attack of any type it chooses. Fire to hit Ferrothorn or Skarmory, ground for Heatran, whatever.
>>26823273
>Inner Strength: a physical version of Hidden Power
Stop this. The tradeoff between special attackers and physical attackers is that everyone has access to swords dance while fucking nobody gets nasty plot. Special attackers get hidden power, but physical gets higher power reliable accuracy moves.
>>26824655
Like this
>>26823783
>Talon is overcentralizing
>Clef isn't
Git gud.
Head Smash Bagon
>>26823273
>Eviolite ceases to exist
>stallfags forced to actually battle
>>26825361
does anyone have the mega slap version ?
>>26824811
Listen son, if you can punch things and freeze them or set your fist on fire, you can poison things by stabbing them. And Id be hard pressed to find a Fighting-type that DOESNT learn it. Most of the Muskedeers do, even.
>>26824958
>Shadow Tag Chandelure
>not mentioning Volt Absorb Zapdos
>>26825044
>vague
Should I just give you a list of Pokemon in RU and below?
>>26826101
yes
>>26826118
Okay then;
Any pokemon below UU could make use out of a Physical hidden power except the dedicated Special attackers.
Literally all of them.
>>26826129
it doesn't do anything for tyrantrum, flygon, granbull, stingulor, tangrowth, sneasel, scrafty, dugtrio, rhyperior or braviary
>>26824607
>Mega
>>26824244
Kyurem Black
A decent special rock move that's not limited to 10 pokemon.
A decent physical rock move with 100% accuracy.
>>26823273
boomburst gardevoir. boomburst salamence. extremespeed kangaskhan.
icicle crash, ice shard, earthquake, volt tackle kyurem black
>>26823783
I have a dugtrio with focus sash that would smoke talonflame
some of you guys need to understand that just because your teams suck, doesn't mean the metagame is broken.
My cloister would rek a Talonflame too, as would my weavil which also has focus sash
>>26827026
Cool, can dugtrio do anything else reliably?
Also stone edge can still miss....
>>26827056(me)
Also there's no real way your Weavile is taking down a standard Brave birb
>>26825950
>>26827076
right i fucked up on that, but you see my point
talonflame aint bad, but i prefer charizard in my team. priority will just compel your opponent to sacrifice to take you out if theyre any good, or counter it with a trapper. you can't just decide shit is overpowered because someone makes it the tip of their sword on their team and you arent ready for it
Dugtrio is just a solid pokemon. I used to have life orb to make his earthquake into a ridiculous last resort chipper, but ive found hes strong enough to go without boosts and keep focus sash to prepare for sweepers.
>>26827026
Did you even read his post? Also, having two Pokemon whose main strategy revolves around your opponent not having any sort of entry hazard, residual damage or priority doesn't strike me as anything remotely resembling a good idea.
>>26827151
Dugtrio is a bro. Arena trap catches me off guard a bit sometimes. When you need a focus sash to counter a Pokemon isn't that a little messed up?all of your suggestions
>>26823273
>Rapid Spin Scolipede
>Quiver Dance Flygon
>Fly Yanmega
>Electric/Poison Eelektross (or Mega)
>>26823273
Shell smash would save samurott
>>26827026
All of those can only revenge kill. None of them can switch into a talonflame.
>>26823273
>x4 and x1/4 weaknesses and resistances become x3 and x1/3
>stealth rock does half damage
>Electric, Poison and Psychic type combos with eachother. Seriously, why hasn't this happened yet?
>>26823559
>genies finally removed
>>26827217
What the fuck did I just read
>Removal of genies.
This
>>26827215
This. It's the whole problem
>>26827192
why would it be messed up? pokemon is like chess. sometimes you designate a motherfucker to die just to get a specific hit in that saves your ass.
>>26827215
and?
>>26823519
yes
>>26827230
If the typing weaknesses were lessened for dual types. Everything would immediately become more viable, and the offensive lean that we have right now would be lessened somewhat.
Make SR worse.
I just want Eelektross to be Electric/Poison 2bh
>>26827215
also Suicune could switch into a talonflame
get good
>>26827275
my dick can switch into talonflame
>>26827252
Designating 1/6 of your team just to take out a Pokemon, that can only realistically brought in if another Pokemon does before it isn't very balanced anon.
Because you can't switch in on it, something has to take a hit before it, making sure you're one check is at 100%
>>26827290
prolly cant handle my shiny charizard tho can it?
>>26827303
Literally not designating anything. I just choose superior pokemon to fight with
>>26827057
here it is... "the team"
>>26827252
>You send out dugtrio
>talonflame used BRAVE BIRD
>dugtrio held on to his focus sash
>Talonflame used BRAVE BIRD
>dugtrio fainted
Alternatively
>Switch into dugtrio
>stealth rock fucks your sash
>Talonflame used BRAVE BIRB
>duggy fainted
>>26827326
Well can you switch in on Talonflame from a random Pokemon like Gengar for example?
No because it breaks your focus sash. Something need to die before you can kill it and use your focus sash, and that's if they DONT have hazards up too
>>26827348
oh you're still hung up on sacrificing pokemon? damn you will NEVER be good.
either way suicune can probably switch in raw. brave bird isn't shit.
>>26827370
.....?
How are you supposed to use dugtrio then?
Brave birds not great against Suicine, but suicune is too scared of too many other things for OU in reality
>>26826379
you're cancer
>>26827414
I'm literally just telling you how to counter talonflame with a random team i made before even visiting /vp/.
I got here and you guys are talking like he's so big and bad, but he's worse than charizard. I have more problems against an aerodactyl
you are literally angry that a pokemon OHKOs too easily. fucking adapt instead.
>>26827252
Sacrificing a pokemon every single time to take out a single pokemon is not good playing.
Saccing is a last resort, not the first option and only option you think off to take care of a talonflame.
>>26827474
I would rather sacrifice dugtrio than risk scaring him away with suicune and not getting the kill.
you guys are really lackluster if im being perfectly honest with you.
>>26827472
How do you use dugrio. Name an example situation. You said it would smoke Talonflame >>26827026
That's all I'm asking
>>26827472
There's plenty of pokemon that counter talonflame. You're just not naming them.
Fucking dugtrio, lmao.
>>26827487
Or you can use any of the pokemon that can actually deal with Talonflame consistently while not being shit insteading of insisting on saccing something regularly. Listen to yourself, faggot.
Regigigas having a good ability/not being complete shit
>>26827506
What OU Pokemon can consistently deal with Talonflame? If you get a 2+ from swords dance Suicine is long gone
Especially since you can't burn the fucker
>>26827493
ok lets say he kills one of my pokemon, dugtrio comes in, focus sash does its business and a simple earthquake is the revenge kill.
If there are traps present, I've simply fucked up. How am i going to get stealth rocked when I have gengar and dugtrio? I'm the fucking stealth rocker. fuck outta here.
>>26827506
are you seriously considering constructing your team to beat one pokemon? one pokmemon you don't know if you're going to face when you battle?
I gave you a scenario where I can trash talonflame with my every day team. fuck off. he's not shit.
>>26827552
meant stone edge
please god dont go autistic on me for internet argument victory points
>>26827539
slowbro, heatran, rotom, stingulor, rhyperior, tyranitar
>>26827552
>You need a Pokemon to die to bring in your specific revenge killer
That's not a hard counter. I also have no idea what's you are talking about with hazards. You lose dugtrio if your oppent has hazards up pervious and your team doesn't have a spinner or defogger from what I saw
>>26827515
Also this
>>26827539
Zapdos, Rotom-W, Mega Manetric, Heatran, Slowbro, Mega Slowbro, Hippowdon.
There's a few lower tier pokemon that deal with it well too. Rhyperior is the biggest example.
>>26827552
Talonflame beats Suicide if Talonflame has taunt, you dumb nigger.
You don't need to build a team around countering it, retard. There's plenty of single pokemon that can handle it easily. Pokemon that are useful at handling other situations outside of talonflame which your pokemon can't even handle lamo.
>>26827595
name a SINGLE situation my godlike fucking champions (>>26827057) can't handle
I swear on me mum I will fookin rek u
>>26827326
It's your first fucking day on /vp/? No wonder you sound retarded
Endeavor Shedinja
>>26827619
>cant counter my champions
>resort to internet pride battle where you talk shit to people in the hopes youre older and have more 'cred'
sweet
>>26827607
252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Dugtrio: 429-505 (213.4 - 251.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If an hazards, Dugtrio's sash can't do shit. Dugtrio can't even trap Talonflame with Arena Trap.
252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard: 210-247 (70.7 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 259-306 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Weavile: 404-476 (143.7 - 169.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 187-222 (47.5 - 56.4%) -- 32% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
As for Suicune, it's the best option you have, but specially defensive taunt Talonflame still beats it. Suicune can't 2HKO with scald.
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Talonflame: 144-170 (40.1 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Talonflame can proceed to Bulk Up in his face.
>>26827642
I mean it's a team you "just made up" and it's your first day on vp sounds a little suspicious. Have you played it on showdown yet?
>>26827675
Have you made a team before? Also curious to what charizard you're running (Mega X is my best guess)
>>26827668
Not him, but who really runs choice band Talonflame
>>26827700
Mega Y with solar beam
>>26827675
where's your team, buddy?
>>26827721
It used to be a lot more popular at the start of XY. True hardly anyone uses it anymore, but I still see it occasionally. Something like 10-15% of the Talonflames I see in 1600+.
>>26823273
I can play this game too OP
>Ice beam keldeo
>Brave bird/Head smash areodactyl
>Ice stealth rock variant.
>sucker punch tyrantiar
>high jump kick talonflame
>focus blast pidgeot
>fiery dance lilligant
>Brave bird and hurricane landorus
>Ice beam and hurricane thundurus
>volt switch tornadus
>thunderbolt greninja
>V-Create serperior
>>26827735Im an NU guys....
I got tired of stall
>Yungoos gets Retaliate
>its evo has pretty good Attack and Speed
>switch in to revenge kill on a sweeper
>Choice Banded, STAB, Retaliate
>enemy could either lose their sweeper or switch into their wall and have the attack boosted even further by Stake-Out
>Yungoos' evo suddenly becomes the best revenge killer in the meta game
>>26827768
>hits like an anemic ethiopian teenage girl if it isn't revenge killing
Just give it Return or Double Edge.
>>26827668
I believe I already made a post stating hazards fuck me. But I'll take it.
If you HAPPEN to make a hazard-centric talonflame teambuild AND are fortunate enough to set it up on me during our fight without me doing shit about it, then you're fucking me, and I lose.
not likely, but it is my weakness.
As far as overpowered though? Nah. I'm not threatened by it enough.
>>26827783
Why not both? Give it Life Orb instead of Choice Band and run Retaliate, Return, and two other moves.
>>26827787
I never made the claim it's overpowered. Just that your team sucks at dealing with it.
>hazard centric
Nigga. It is not "hazard centric" to just stick fucking stealth rock on a skarmory or the thirty billion pokemon that learn stealth rock.
And I sincerely doubt your charizard has Defog, so once any hazard goes down, you're not getting rid of them.
Fucking hell. "Hazard centric" has to be the dumbest thing I've heard someone say. As sticking stealth rock on a Chansey or Hippowdon completely solidifies a team as a "hazard centric" team. It's a turn of momentum to set up stealth rocks. I truly, truly doubt no one has ever set up rocks in your face before.
>>26827739
Yeah, when I did OU I never really got passed 1600, I was stuck around 1400-1500 I'm not great but I have a decent understanding of the game
>>26827813
Hey you really seem to know your shit, I want to get back into OU because I've been getting high on NU and little cup.
I've been thinking about making my team around weakness policy Dragonite, is that viable still? I remeber it being pretty well in XY. Got any good partners for a core?
solar beam
flamethrower
focus blast
defog
lmao
>>26823273
Head Smash Geodude
Head Smash Rhyhorn
Head Smash Onix
Head Smash Nosepass
Head Smash Aerodactylit fucking learns Iron Head naturally why the fucking fuck doesn't it fucking get fucking Head Smash, fuck
Stealth Rocks removed from the game
>>26827880
>taking 50% damage just to clean rocks
Now I can confidently say you're a retard
>>26827897
>get me to 50%
>get swept by flamethrower/solar beam
nice try, though.
>>26827896
Fuck that.
Stealth Rocks learned exclusively by Rock-type Pokemon.
>>26827842
Eh, weakness policy dragonite is still as memey as it always was. Sometimes it works, but overall, it's still very obvious and the switch is incredibly broadcast. Classic dragonite builds offer you a lot more in higher rankings. It's fine for climbing through the retard mine fields I guess.
Most popular dragonite core I see is with MDiancie and Mew after some guy did a big write up about it, iirc. I haven't used it myself, but it's a great core from the games I've had against it.
>>26827919
ttar and terrakion on every team
Scizor/Gliscor learncrab hammer.
Also a steel type status called Rust. Decreases enemy evasion and does damage comparable to Infestation. However, as a trade-off, the status is eliminated if the afflicted opponent switches out.
>>26827957
Both have seven weaknessesand Tyranitar is best Pokemonso it's okay.
>yfw Terrakion hasn't even been OU in years
>>26827915
>charizard Y
>sweeping
Not with Talonflame anon
>>26824632
Haxorus has poison jab. With the right IV's and a choice scarf it's pretty good.
>>26827915
>Flamethrower/Solar Beam
One Brave Bird would do 71% of max health MINIMUM. Charizard would be KO before flamethrower or Solar Beam could think about connecting. Even if you switched in on a Talonflame who was going to use Roost you wouldn't be able to 2HKO it before it 2HKO you.
Someone do the math on that for me. I'm on mobile right now.
>>26830600
>sweep team until talon flame
>switch to suicune
>he has to switch, or get scald to death
Simple
>>26830654
Scald wouldn't 2HKO before Talonflame could 2HKO.
>>26830600
>Stealth Rock triggering Weakness Policy
+2 252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame in Sun: 348-409 (117.1 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Without Weakness Policy
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame in Sun: 174-205 (58.5 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 211-249 (71 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Weakness Policy ChazY Flamethrower would one shot Talonflame. Fuck all that would do for Charizard since Talonflame still kills you before you can do anything.
>>26830688
my suicune has rest and sleep talk. im good.
Talonflame is fucked.
>>26830719
> MEGA charizard y
> holding weakness policy
breh...
>>26830732
Not sure if bait.
>>26830719
Definitely bait.
>>26830765
how many times do you think you can use brave bird in a row?
you people think this shit is invincible. I swear
>>26830773
What is Roost?
>>26830779
sorry, not enough. ill win that breakdown every time.
super effective scald vs roost, lmao.
>>26823783
It isn't necessarily Gale Wings that makes it good though; I've accidentally played with a Flame Body Talonflame and gone three or four games before noticing, because 126 base speed is enough that, apart from other priority or trick room, the +1 priority very rarely matters.
The problem is that it's much faster than any other Brave Bird user other than Crobat, and gets a secondary typing that covers flying's resistances well.
>>26830819
126 is literally 1 point off my weavile, but gale wings is important, cause i rely on false slap. with that single point advantage in speed, talonflame renders my priority weavile pointless
>>26830801
It's a 3HKO with Scald. Minimum. No questions asked. That's assuming you get the drop on him. Switching in on a brave bird with the pebbles active ( no team in the current meta doest have a hazard setter leading unless they are you or retarded) is gonna hurt. Then there is no guarantee sleep talk will pick scald unless you only have 3 moves and then it's still 50/50.
>>26827668
>Makes a post about 252 atk tflame.
>Proceeds to use calcs showing that the only way that tflame can survive a scald from suicune is 252hp/252+sdef
God damn /vp/. Git fucking Gud.
>>26830879
>It's a 3HKO with Scald.
total bs
Bonemerang hitting flying types
>>26830885
I specifically mentioned that Suicune is a viable pokemon against Talonflame, but it gets absolutely shat on by the specially defensive taunt set, which it fucking does.
>>26830919
As for Suicune, it's the best option you have, but specially defensive taunt Talonflame still beats it. Suicune can't 2HKO with scald.
0 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Talonflame: 144-170 (40.1 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Talonflame uses Bulk Up on its free turns. Suicine can't rest because of Taunt. Please shut up, you dumb nigger.
Specially defensive talonflame is one of the most common talonflame sets. Honestly neck yourself.
>>26830965
That's if he can get past my dugtrios stealth rock, which he is 4x weak to.
clown.
i swear you are like a born loser. no imagination. very sad.
>>26830979
>a talonflame with absolutely zero defog support on his team
Hey by the way, if your dugtrio switched in at some point to set rocks, then it probably took entry hazard damage which broke the focus sash since your shit team does not have a defogger despite having multiple crippling rock weaknesses. Oh wait, your x4 rock weak weakness policy charizard has defog, lmao. It's gonna have a lot of healthy switch in opportunities for sure.
>>26831001
dugtrio leads
try and stop me, bitch. youre literally wrong every time lmao. youre playing chinese checkers while im playing 3d chess
>>26831014
Your team blows in general so chill out
>>26831014
The infamous leading dugtrio that only sets rocks, can't set up on defensive leads because it has no set up outside of rocks so the arena trap goes to waste, has a 50/50 chance of being outright killed by what it traps because it's not controlling what it's coming in on.
So again, your dugtrio sets rocks and you're forced to switch out because dugtrio can't touch their Landorus-T that's currently swords dancing in its face.
You are absolutely ignorant of the concept of momentum.
>youre playing chinese checkers while im playing 3d chess
You haven't posted a single calc. A single realistic situation. Your garbage might work on the playground or in battlespot but please, please try it anywhere above 1400. No, anywhere above even lobotomy level 1300s.
>>26831066
I will resign to the idea that if you want to beat me, you have to use gay pokemon like Landorus-T and Talonflame together on the same team
still a victory in my book
haha
Was it worth it, /vp/? Did you gain some small satisfaction of arguing with a brick wall?
I think you wasted your time, you're as pathetic as he is.
>>26831179
A brick wall?
Let me guess, Landorus and Talonflame just HAPPEN to be your team, right? You use them all the time?
lmao
I'd bet a billion of my own dollars that you don't use either.
I don't understand that in the era of many physical mons with great abilities, Cofagrigus is not more employed.
It even has access to toxic spikes and can't be rapid spin'd.
>>26823273
Thank God you'll never be in charge of making the games.
>>26831324
No recovery besides Pain Split.
That's it.
>>26831192
Either this is
Not knowing the meta: the Post
Or
Super bait to the max: the Post.
>>26823273
Fiery Dance Lilligant
>>26824244
Sandslash, Marowak, Klinklang, Excadrill, M-Altaria.
>>26831324
If it learned Recover it'd be amazing, but no, it doesn't.
And here is the story of most steel and ghost types.
Take your pain split and love it.
>Sp. Attack version of Swords Dance
>Poison (not toxic) cuts Sp. Attack in half
Extreme speed Salamance
Flamerthrower Greninja
Bravebird Landerous
>>26824498
>Water and fire will never get nerfed
>>26824744
Fangs and stingers you dip
>>26824958
>Shadowtag Chandelure
Chandelure doesn't have the bulk or speed to back this up :_:
>>26827196
>not poison\dark
>things that need to happen
I want a grass gym in SM, and in that gym I want a youngster who uses a sudowoodo. When you beat him he should be shocked to learn that it's not a grass type.
>>26823875
Yeah the complainer forgot to mention priority team doubling speed. Tailwind the shit! Talonflame is a great mon.
>>26831942
>Water gym
>Trainer has Stunfisk Dragonair and Malimar
>They're not water
>>26831827
You're wrong, anon.
I'd wager that Chandelure would be overpowered with Shadow Tag.
Remember that Gothitelle is the reason Shadow Tag was banned, and it's a shitmon without it. Chandelure is at least UU without it, and can reliably run more sets than just trapping.
Let's compare Gothitelle and Chandelure.
- Gothitelle's biggest advantages are its better bulk, less weaknesses, Tickle, Thunder wave and PSYSHOCK.
- Chandelure's biggest advantages are its higher Speed, its HUGE immediate power, much better offensive typing, Will O Wisp and two type immunities.
- Both can run a ScarfTrick set to cripple walls, and Chandelure's speed means little here.
- Both can run a Calm Mind/Rest set, with Tickle/Will o Wisp to cripple physical attackers. Chandelure loses to Fire-types, Gothitelle probably loses to Swords Dancers. They each have a niche here.
+6 Psyshock does around 70% to Chansey, while +6 Flamethrower only does approximately 41-50%, so you need to Burn it to smash through Chansey as Chandelure. On the other hand, Psyshock is then stopped by physical walls, so Chandelure wins this one.
>>26823948
This
>>26823273
Quiver dance Roserade. If that cheap knockoff Lilligant gets it why not the original?
