Defend this gen 7 fags.
>>25722330
Faggot.
>>25722330
Okay
http://pokemon.gamespress.com/releases/1942/new-pokmon-games-announced-via-pokmon-direct
>>25722350
>PR marketing nonsense
nah
>>25722330
Literally all of this was disected and disproven (or at least to the point of being too shaky to be used as any form of proof.)
Just give it up, it is gen 7. Enjoy your 10 minute long side quest in the postgame, if they even let you have that.
>>25722330
As much as I'd like the games to be Gen 6.5, I think with the introduction of the new languages kind of forces them to move on from XY and ORAS due to comparability issues. I'm sure if it wasn't for the 20th anniversary, GF would have made Z or whatever it would have been, but from a business perspective it doesn't make sense since 3rd versions always sell less and you wouldn't want sales to be lackluster on your 20th anniversary.
There's still hope that they make a Z Episode for the post game that deals with a return to Kalos and a Zygarde plot, but that's pure speculation and a bit of wishful thinking.
Masuda says he likes to surprise. So the chances of Sun and Moon being gen 7 games are low simply because it would be too obvious and expected.
>>25722330
Besides the fact that none of that even hints at a sequel and that you're grasping with the Zygarde thing?
>>25722330
Remember when Volcanion was a part of the proof for Gen 6.5?
And then it was just released as an event mon?
Are people really retarded enough to not expect AZ's Floette and the other Zygarde forms to simple be released between now and November?
>>25722330
>Gen 6 and Gen 6.5 fags still trying
>>25722432
>Literally all of this was disected and disproven
By no one mind you.
>>25722471
This is the more retarded opinion i ever saw
>>25722521
>other Zygarde formes
>when none of the games have data for them
yeah sure buddy
>>25722521
Only thousand arrows/waves are available, the formes are not. If the Zygarde formes were going to be released as gifts in the future, they would have been discovered ages ago.
>>25722414
>>25722456
>>25722471
Literally retards. Legitimately kill yourselves.
>>25722543
So I guess Grey version is happening? And were going to disregard whatever Masuda says?
>>25722521
Then show me the Grey version everyone was expecting.
>>25722545
>>25722547
Oh, well then that's different. The Zygarde thing sounds like the real big "this could still be gen 6" thing
>>25722573
What?
>>25722538
No, it literally was, in multiple threads. Lurk more faggot.
>>25722471
Yes, because ending a gen early has happened so often it's totally predictable.
Fucking. Reaching.
>>25722543
>>25722554
>Whatever Junichi Masuda says we have to take it with a grain of salt
>But if fan websites like Serebii and Bulbapedia say something, we have to take it as gospel
>>25722704
Autistic faggot
>>25722545
Remember all that game data for the ORAS megas in XY? Me neither.
>>25722330
Not gonna lie....this is actually really convincing. This is the first time I've considered this
But who's to say that it won't be gen 7 and still feature zygarde and shit, t could very well be gen 6 what gen 4 was to gen 3 (i.e. Gen 6 2.0)
>>25722414
>In the Direct, the first games of each generation were shown before Sun and Moon were revealed
>"I-It's all PR!"
It's a new generation, face it.
>>25722968
Because SM is a 20th anniversary special game. Of course it's going to showcase the previous games. But that doesn't mean gen 7.
>>25722973
>>25722973
>Of course it's going to showcase the previous games.
Source?
Honestly I really don't care, if its a new gen thats cool, if its 3rd 6th gen game but with new mons thats also cool
>>25723006
There is none. They are pulling nonsense out of their ass.
>>25722330
>Puts in the stuff about the Hiker and the new region
>Thinks that helps his case
Kek
>>25722330
>Serebii being clueless is evidence
what
>>25723006
The trailer itself.
Did you miss how 90% of it is shoving it in your face how it's the 20th anniversary of the games? And how the trailer itself was specifically announced on the 20th anniversary?
Contrast it with XY's announcemen trailer where it only focused on the new games and they actually showed new gameplay from the start.
>>25723020
This.
I couldn't give less of a fuck on what generation it is, I just don't want it to be bad.
>>25723044
>X/Y's announcement
>missing the huge leadup going through all the old gens
Get the fuck out underage.
>>25723044
>"I have no source, but it was strongly implied therefore it will happen."
Reminder that we will never get the Battle Frontier as DLC in ORAS even though it was strongly implied.
Also, as >>25723065 said they did the exact same thing as >>25722968 pointed out. Iwata went through each generation of games, mainly the first games of each respective one, and then revealed X&Y.
>>25723029
>tradeable item when bank doesn't support items
>new gens ever being this explicitly foreshadowed
It does support his case.
>>25723065
That was a part of the direct. Not the trailer.
>>25723101
>what's your source
>he's my source
>d-doesn't count!
It was never heavily implied ORAS would have BF DLC. The people who thought that were morons trying to save their shit remakes.
>>25723131
>It was never heavily implied ORAS would have BF DLC.
What is pic related then? A middle finger from Masuda?
>>25723131
Seriously? Thats your argument?
"Oh, here is this direct that is clearly intended to reveal and hype a new game, and it has the gen leadup separatedfrom the trailer"
"Oh, here is this other direct that is clearly intended to reveal and hype a new game, and it has the gen leadup in the trailer"
"They are clearly not the exact same thing anons!"
If you truly believe this, do us a favour, and be a hero.
What if kalos sequel, but in a different region with an expanded dex featuring Zygarde's forms?
>>25723131
The trailer was part of the Direct you bellend
>>25723327
Then it's still gen 7.
>>25723354
Doesn't have to be that way. You could see all the other 6.5 threadsor gen 7 threads because of people going rampant with reasoning there as well
>>25723514
New pokemon. New gen. It is so simple, and yet people ignore it.
People love their tinfoil too much to use common sense.
>>25723604
That's just a pattern, anon. Not only that, but Megas and forms are new Pokemon in code. Don't say "oh but the Pokedex doesn't classify them", because Indian elephants.
You really can't rely on patterns when S/M throws patterns out the window anyway if it's part of 6th gen or is 7th gen.
It's more of a drill instructor hat than a tinfoil hat.
>>25723677
What is this fucking indian elephants meme all about, seriously? I keep seeing it spewed out like it is actually meant to mean something.
And every unique Pokemon, minus forms and megas, have unique national dex entries. That isn't a pattern or coincidence, it is how the games fucking work.
>>25723677
Get AIDS cuntmonkey
>>25723706
Hoopa Unbound had a unique classification. Who's to say they can't extend further? ORAS lacked form compatibility with XY. Who's to say they can't expand further in the same gen?
You seem upset, anon.
>>25723706
Fine, if you find the thing that claims Indian elephants exist, that Wailord is lighter than Helium, states that a snail has a temperature of 18 thousand degrees F that would melt it through the ground but treats it like whatever, and even more is a reliable source, then by all means think that. I'm not stopping you.
>>25723748
Well my Primeape already has Pokerus, but thanks anyway for the concern.
>>25723354
It's still gen 6 if the compatibility and mechanics are the same.
>>25723677
Mega pokemon are a type of form... if they where classified as new pokemon, they WOULD have their own pokedex entry, dumbass. They are forms of already existing pokemon.
>>25723863
See >>25723803 because you like to rely on the Pokedex and not how the games actually interpret forms and megas themselves.
>>25723851
If it has new Pokemon, protagonist, and region, it is a new generation. Mechanics mean fucking nothing you cum chugger.
>>25723900
>Mechanics mean fucking nothing
Yes they do. Every new gen has new set of mechanics and compatibility.
>>25723910
Every new gen has a new protagonist, pokémon, and region.
SuMo has all of that. Fuck of denial fag.
>>25723174
>A middle finger from Masuda?
yep
>>25723892
The pokedex is there for a fucking reason. If mega pokemon where NEW pokemon, they would be be classified as it. They would have their own separate dex number and entru, and also wouldn't be a temporary thing only for battle. If Game Freak thought of mega Pokemon as new pokemon, they would have made it obvious. God, deoxys forms aren't separate pokemon, girantina's forms aren't, keldeo's isn't, hoopa's isn't. They are the same pokemon that has changed in physical appearance and function. That is it. They are not NEW or separate pokemon.
>>25723934
Everything of that could always change because it's just a simple pattern. We're already breaking one or two patters with S/M, depending on if it's 7th gen or part of 6th gen.
>>25723968
Just because the Pokedex says so doesn't mean that it's true, anon. I've seen Wailords submerged in water. What the games themselves think and say is more correct.
>>25723988
Get raped you fucking faggot.
>>25724022
You're doing that already :(
>>25723988
What the fuck does a wailord have to do with whether or not mega pokemon are new pokemon. Jfc, I can't believe I'm talking to a literal retard
>>25723851
Not this dipshit again
>>25724066
You're relying on something that's not really reliable at all.
>>25724102
Except new pokemon would ALSO have completely new names too, which megas do not
>>25724151
You're still using the Pokedex as a basis for your arguments, I use the game and how the game works for the basis of mine. Whatever, though.
>>25724166
You didn't make the game so you have no right to claim yourself an authority on that. Fuck off.
>>25724178
Of course I didn't make the games, but I know my fair amount of shit about the games and how the work so I think I'm in a reasonable position to say that.
>inb4 "oh you rom hack so fucking what that doesnt prove anything" other than you know, knowing how the game is built up, functions and the sorts
>>25724212
It means absolutely fuck all. Let's see your gamefreak employee badge and then you can start to be taken seriously.
>>25724212
>It means absolutely fuck all
You can believe that, but you're arguing that point against the game itself, not really me. I'm just telling you what the game itself is telling me.
>>25724243
>replying to myself
okay >>25724225 whatever
Every fucking one of you arguing about what generation Sun and Moon are going to be, you're fucking autists. Who gives a flying fuck what generation they are? Fucking retards, all of you.
>>25724166
The name of a pokemon has jack shit to do with the pokedex. I would believe the pokedex over your "I know it all" bullshit.
The pokedex is thereto explain what the pokemon are, the battle data has jack shit to do with a device describing pokemon and its forms, dumbass.
Also a new pokemon wouldn't temporarily appear just for battle, UNLESS IT IS A FORM OF AN ALREADY EXISTING POKEMON. Aka not a new pokemon.
>>25722330
>check out my region, you'll find out in due time!
Don't need to.
New region and new 'Mon is a new Generation by most people's standards.
Love the amount of times the picture contradicts itself
If we are basing the fact that SM are Gen 6 off the pentagon colours on perfect zygarde then that would mean that there would be anotjer game after Sun and Moon to represent the white Pentagon, but hurdurr there's only two pentagon slots left, not 3
Not to mention he put the hiker thing in the picture when New region = New gen
Nice way to get BTFO by your own picture
>>25724386
>New region = New gen
nope. And the white gem hexagon represents Zygarde.
>>25724397
Except it does
New region=NewMom,NewProfessor therefore new Gen
And source?
>>25724386
>Sun and Moon
>Eclipses are a thing
>Zygarde is green, but mostly black
>White color on its chest
>White
>Black
and then you remember Reshiram and Zekrom in the garden place in X/Y
>>25723803
You finally explained yourself, and now I can respond intelligently - you are focused on the contents of the entries themselves, which is NOT what I am getting at. The mere existence of the unique entries is all that matters - the dex entry itself could say something like "Grimer was recently discovered to primarily be made up of weapons grade plutonium and human excrement" and it wouldn't affect my point in the slightest.
Forms and megas are added as an addendum (form view) to existing dex entries. Forms and megas do not get unique dex numbers, dex entries, anything at all, just form view. To date, every new generation has added new Pokemon to the nationaldex, while forms and megas have only been addendums.
This is why "New Pokemon = new gen" works the best, it is also not invalidated by forms or megas, despite what 6.5 zombies want you to believe.
>>25724425
Okay, but Zygarde doesnt have a black Pentagon so there's no reason to assume the white one represent white version
>>25724477
>>Zygarde is green, but mostly black
>>25724487
But the Pentagons are supposed to represent version colours. There is no Black Pentagon. Stop Grasping at straws
>>25724507
I know that point is weak, but it's still something. Complete Zygarde could have been like brown or something.
>>25724212
Hello there, sperglord! Knowing how games are put together means jack fucking shit! I know plenty about how games are put together on the inside, and often that is simply for the convenience of organisation of data than anything at all to do with gameplay! If you were such an expert, you would know this! Get the fuck off this board!
Have a nice day!
(Can you feel the mocking? I really wasn't sure if I was getting it across strongly enough. But you are being mocked. Because you think your little jaunts through the game files equates to knowing literally anything. Hint: you know nothing and you look like a giant sperglord. Coming into an imageboard and spouting off about how much you know about the game files is a sign of autism. Go seek professional help.)
>>25724535
If you know how this game works, you could probably just end up knowing more than me. Disregard the fact that OR/AS are partially incompatible with X/Y because of added new stuff, such as megas. Also disregard that there's a difference in the BCH model versions, but you should have known these things already because you're already proving to be smarter than me by just saying you are.
>>25724601
I don't have to inspect the game files to know how developers structure files. And then theres you, claiming the file structure has literally anything to do with the information presented to the player.
You are an autistic faglord spergcheese and you shouldn't post things as fact, especially when you are flat-out wrong.
>>25724619
As an example: the GARCs and their contents, the way things are fucking structured make little to no sense in the way things are presented. Things related to the Pokedex are spread around, things related to audio are spread around and things related to everything models is thrown around.
The only thing that makes sense is the text strings, which are still randomly placed anyway.
>>25724658
This sounds very typical to me.
>>25724683
It kinda is, but we have no idea how they went about developing things and in what order they did. We know how it looks and functions, however.
>>25724386
White represents central kalos you dumb nut.
>>25724528
It's not weak, you did not explain that shit well.
>>25724212
Wow you are really fucking dumb. Yes, megas and forms are "different Pokemon" in code. Of course they are, that's how programming works. But Leech Seed and Toxic are not the same move in gen 1 just because they share the same internal counter.
What actually counts is whether the Pokemon are actually new in terms of the 'lore'.
New Pokemon with new pokedex entries == new gen.
Megas and forms != new gen.
>Thousand Arrows
Wait what now
>>25727257
>implying megas and forms are glitches
Was BW not a new gen because it was on the DS as well as DP?
>>25722330
>new pokemon
>new starters
>new region
>NONE OF THAT MATTERS BECAUSE OF SOME HIDDEN "PENTAGON VALUE"
>THE PENTAGON VALUE, THAT 99% OF PEOPLE WHO PLAY THE GAMES, IS WHAT REALLY DETERMINES THE GENERATIONS
[grasping at straws intensifies]
>>25722330
Thousand Arrows sounds like an event move. Wouldn't be the first time Gamefreak had something implemented into a game meant to be triggered by an event, only to have it never released.
yeah the surprise he made was that he skiped the third game no one expected that you idiots
>>25722330
You mean something unexpected like stopping an entire generation prematurely, not a third version or sequels, like most people were expecting?
>>25727565
yeah for the new gen 6 games, sun/moon
>>25722330
Why did you include that quote from the guy that talks about a new region? That implies an entirely new generation, you're going against yourself here.
>>25727672
>That implies an entirely new generation
No it doesn't
>>25727622
there's no such thing as stopping a generation prematurely. They plan things out, they don't just on a whim decide "OH SHIT GUYS LET'S DO NEXT GENERATION INSTEAD"
they had this planned at least while XY was in development, which is why the souvenir guy is there to foreshadow it. And if they had it planned while XY was in development, it makes no sense to put in Zygarde's signature moves and 2 extra pentagon slots if SM weren't 6th gen.
If it has a new title, it's a new generation.
>>25727816
You're right because we've gotten new regions during the same generation before. In fact every region is part of gen 1. I'm neutral to whether it's gen 6.5 or 7 and couldn't care less either way but some of you people arguing for 6.5 are just fucking retarded.
>>25722471
The surprise was announcing Sun and Moon when everyone and their mother expected Z or X2 and Y2 or XZ and YZ, whatever you want to call it.
>>25727845
Plans change, games get canceled, sometimes before announcement or development. We were all expecting Pokemon Z, but we got this instead.
No sequel games have ever changed name themes, no new pokemon with new pokedex numbers have been added mid generation, no half generation has ever happened.
It's Occam's razor, which is more likely? That a half-gen is introduced where new pokemon numbers are added, but the naming theme is completely changed and gamefreak is blatantly lying to use about this being a new gen in order to trick us for two months before they reveal their hand 6 months before the game comes out or..
Z got canceled, like a lot of games do
>>25729205
You're right because we've gotten new abilities in the middle of a generation before.
You're right because we've gotten new moves in the middle of a generation before.
You're right because we've got two new protagonists in the middle of a generation before.
You're right because we've got a new starting town in the middle of a generation before.
patterns change faggot. If ORAS could be a different region from XY and still be gen 6 so can Sun/Moon.
>b-but it's a remake
Does. Not. Matter. Especially when they still advertised it as new.
>>25729263
We've never gotten new pokedex numbers mid gen
We've never changed name theme mid gen
Yes, the fact that ORAS was a remake matters, it did not introduce a region, it reused one
We've never gotten a new, never before seen region mid gen, we've had areas added to old regions but not a completely new one
>>25729282
Exactly. Patterns change. I know it's scary anon, but you can handle it. You're a big boy now.
>>25729254
>Plans change, games get canceled, sometimes before announcement or development
For something like Pokemon? No they don't. You have to remember this is a fucking huge multimedia franchise and they don't just cancel games on the spot. It's obvious that they knew since XY's development they weren't doing Z. And making a forme for Zygarde involves marketing everywhere as evidenced by all the attention it's getting now. Masuda explicitly said he wanted to do unexpected titles and it's showing.
>It's Occam's razor, which is more likely?
Half gen because it allows them to make the games faster. They don't have to worry about new mechanics or changing the engine and they can just add more Pokemon and reuse a shit ton of assets. These games are ambitious because they're meant to celebrate the 20 years of the franchise.
>>25729263
If a new region goes for another "breaking the pattern" the only thing we have left is new Pokemon, and Magearna has already been announced. What defines a new generation if it's not a new region with brand new Pokemon then?
>>25729325
Mechanics and compatibility.
>>25729338
So... what you're saying is that we have 5 generations right now, and Johto was Gen 1.5 because it allowed trading via the time capsule? Interesting.
>>25729353
No. I swear you faggots just keep regurgitating this same flawed counterargument every thread without actually reading.
Mechanics AND compatibility. Gen 1 has a different set of mechanics from Gen 2. Gen 1 doesn't have Dark type, Steel type, or Sp.Atk/Def stats. And it's properly compatible with Gen 2 because it can only partially trade and it can't battle at all.
Gen 3 can only battle and trade with games within its gen. They all share mechanics.
Gen 4 can only battle and trade with games within its gen. They all share mechanics
And so on. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
>>25729317
>Only small franchises has canceled games
So how's life like being this retarded?
>Pokemon, a franchise famous for using the same formula over and over again, is gonna break every formula ever and do something that not only has never been done before but also doesn't make a lick of sense is more likely than a canceled game?
Top Kek
>>25729375
>So how's life like being this retarded?
Ask yourself that, not me.
>>Pokemon, a franchise famous for using the same formula over and over again, is gonna break every formula ever and do something that not only has never been done before but also doesn't make a lick of sense is more likely than a canceled game?
It's not a different formula. It's still a new game with new Pokemon. It's the same shit but they're just doing it sooner and more frequently now.
>>25729317
Man, Gen 5 breaks a few rules and some people think Gamefreak can and will break everything that entirely defines a generation.
>>25729384
A new game with new pokemon (not megas) is a new gen you retard. Them releasing a sequel game under a new naming theme is changing the formula you retard. Them releasing a half gen is breaking the formula you retard.
>>25729384
I bet people like you are going to think that we're still stuck in a same generation when it's actually an entirely new one if this keeps up.
>>25722973
>6.5'ers are this delusional
>>25729442
>entire trailer is fellating itself over muh 20 years of pokemon instead of the game itself
>delusional
>>25729448
>Count down of each gen and their release year ending in "2016" then Sun and Moon logo
>Nah it's gen 6.5, I ain't delusional
How much autism can there be in one board?
It's got a new naming theme, it's a new generation, there's no other criteria.
I'm desperately waiting for that footage next week, I can't stand to see much more of this bickering. Thanks Gamefreak, you sure know what you were doing by only giving us the titles.
>>25729437
By their logic Gen 2 is 1.5 and Gen 5 is actually 4.5.
>>25729488
So FRLG is gen 4
gotcha
>>25729501
see >>25729364
>>25729461
yes because the entire trailer is fellating itself over muh 20 years.
>>25729437
No because then it'll be obvious with the pentagons being used up and zygarde's forme actually being in a game.
>>25729411
No it's new mechanics that decide a new gen. The formula isn't changing just because a few labels are the same or different.
>>25729403
Not everything. The mechanics, compatibility, and most likely the graphics will still be the same.
>>25729518
>Fire RED
>Leaf GREEN
alright anon, sure thing, totally a new naming scheme
>>25729526
From RUBY and SAPPHIRE? Yes it's a different naming scheme.
>>25729531
Too bad it isn't a NEW naming scheme
You know, like I said
>>25729518
FRLG was not a new naming theme, just added words to old ones titles like all remakes
>New mechanics new gen
Then B2W2 was Gen 6
>>25729536
So Diamond and Pearl isn't a new gen because they're minerals like Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and thus not a new naming scheme
gotcha
>>25729546
>Then B2W2 was Gen 6
No because the mechanics are shared with BW. If they weren't it wouldn't be able to battle with BW.
>>25729552
B2W2 introduced several mechanics, what stops battle compatibility is new pokemon and move changes
>>25729565
>B2W2 introduced several mechanics
Not any that contradicted with BW. It's still compatible. So it's the same gen.
>>25729548
kek
Diamond and Pearl are new names, it's all that matters
>>25729574
You didn't say that, you said
>New Mechanics = New Gen
Which makes B2W2 new gen because new mechanics, don't move the goal posts
>>25729595
No I said >>25729364
>Mechanics AND compatibility
>don't move the goal posts
You first.
>>25729575
not according to you
>>25729625
Your autism is truly immense and saying "muh minerals" doesn't save you
Wasn't a game called Diamond/Pearl/Platinum before them, same as all other generations
Keep on keeping on, enjoy the new generation
How is the souvenir anymore significant from the train cart? Why does the souvenir have to come from gen 6/6.5 region?
>>25722471
It's too obvious that after gen 6 comes 7. Masuda jumping to Gen VIII confirmed.
If the game has new pokemon it's gen 7, you can't have a half generation. But if there aren't any new pokemon then it's gen 6. No matter how many pentagons you can find in the game will change this.
>>25723065
It all comes together
i made dis
>>25730273
The Japanese titles for XY and ORAS are also in 3D and look very similar, while the Sun and Moon titles are back to the pre-gen VI style.
>>25729229
Only patternfags believed that. I believed in gen 7 shortly after ORAS.
>>25730210
Which literally does not imply gen 6 or 7, it's a blanket statement that could apply to either. It does nothing to disprove the leadup clearly indicates a new gen.
I mean, if this was gen 6 they would have at lwast shown B2/W2 as a hint that they are continuing the story, but in a different way.
But they didn't. This is a new gen. You have no hope of being right, this is not 6 or 6.5. New gen.
>BW
>new gen game
>gameplay first shown on official site days after announcement
>XY
>new gen game
>gameplay first shwon in trailer day on announcement
>HGSS
>mid-gen game
>gameplay first shown on Pokemon Sunday show
>BW2
>mid-gen game
>gameplay first shown on Pokemon Sunday show
>ORAS
>mid-gen game
>gameplay first shown on Pokemon Sunday show
>SM
>gameplay first shown on Pokemon Sunday show
I'm seeing a pattern...
>>25733329
>>25733329
Oh shit, what was the case with Platinum?
>>25733329
You are assuming the footage wont be revealed officially before that.
And even then thats weak, they have done lots of inconsistent crap with their shows.
>>25723174
Obviously it's a nod to the Battle Frontier, and that it would exist later in the timeline. Not that they were going to do DLC.
>>25733697
The show's on the third, just a week away and Game Freak said they'll be talking about it a later date.
>And even then thats weak, they have done lots of inconsistent crap with their shows.
You can't use a pattern to say that another pattern is false and think you're on some higher ground, because well, you're still using a pattern as an argument.
Not that there's a problem with that, but you gotta think and take things into perspective. Could you find out what went down with Platinum and if gameplay was shown on Pokemon Sunday after the 'new gen game' reveals and how long time there was in-between these?
>>25723223
Genuine photo of heroes on /vp/
>>25723174
It's obvious that gen 7 will be a Hawaii themed region, and those island will connect to Hoenn and the Hoenn battle frontier.
>>25733809
well uh, I'm not sure if it's "obvious", but yeah I'd like that quite a bit!
hire this anon gamefreak, get on it
>>25733809
Uh, it's obviously Hawaii, but it's also more obviously gonna incorporate Kalos into it as well. We have no idea, yet I personally hope it is, if Battle Frontier is ever gonna be a thing. There's hope on it, yeah. It might not be in Hoenn or even Hoenn's BF, despite me wanting it to be, but it's just something you have to consider. Be skeptic for a reason.
Obviously the next region shall be very far south of Kalos, but still south to some degree, and be based off of Hawaii. However, it will combine both aspects of 6.5 and 7 in a great deal of hodgepodge.
We shall all be destroyed by this sound logic.
>>25733874
Battle Frontier will never be a thing any more because people don't have the time for it, according to Game Freak.
>>25733941
You might believe that, but it's nothing more than an assumption.
We have seen Sakurai levels of contradictions coming from them before.
>>25722471
Jesus christ lurk more you newfag. Sun and Moon WERE a surprise. Pokemon Z as the last gen 6 game was universally expected.
>>25734043
It being gen 7 is most likely the case, though he said surprises are to be inbound. The names of the games, the newly added mons and all could be part of that surprise, right? You really can't say you know the answer beforehand this time, because Masuda's surprising us either way.
>>25733874
Ok, Hawaii has been relatively obvious (there is room for debate) but how in the fuck is Kalos related in the slightest?
>>25734043
Not entirely universal. Some of us believed in gen 7 before Sun/Moon were discovered, and at the time we were called stupid.
I am still kekkíng
>>25734295
And you still are stupid
>>25734315
And you will pretend like you always believed, once it is revealed to be undeniably gen 7.
(Honestly it already has been, but you faggots keep asking for more, so you will get it.)
Inb4 it's never clarified and there's elements that point to both possibilities throughout the games
>>25734334
No I won't. Because it will be gen 6. Have fun getting btfo on Saturday.
>>25734385
You are as deep in denial as the average anti-vaxxer. And you will be moving the goalposts this Saturday, so call your buddies - moving the goalposts so much must have made you tired.
>>25722330
Datamining is unreliable.
>>25734273
Zygarde, but before you reply to be, please click on >>>>25723646 and read downwards from there. I bring up a lot of things and reasoning as to why Zygarde is already strongly related to the sun and the moon.hint: I'm not the anon claiming to have hard evidence beforehand, that's just a shitter I didn't really acknowledge
but yes, Hawaii and France had and have some interesting relationships between eachother, which I mention in that thread as well. Please go check it out, not that you need to but will save me from having to reply to you tomorrow.
>>25734334
Check out the thread and like, so many other threads where we discuss why it makes no sense for them to go gen 7 at this stage with this amount of potential. Literally everything people for gen 7 are giving as a point is "They trashed/gave up on the idea" or whatever word I'm looking for because my limited vocabulary memory fuck
A lot is just "well it's the same thing as Arceus LOL" which well, they still made Platinum.
>>25734412
Skepticism =/= denial.
I didn't make the connection between thousand arrows and waves referencing the moon and the sun, nice. I'm so conflicted right now between team 7 and team 6.5 desu
>>25734273
>>25734424
I guess if you want to add more to it, this new region would probably be south of Kalos just because if you've seen Southern France that's like Europe's Hawaii.
>>25734444
What confusing quads, there. Keep it up not being convinced by either, though.
>>25734491
While that's a bit true, there's that video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt2HMhA_Jk0
and if you find that ootq, people saying it's Hawaii have too much evidence to back up their claims. There's just too much Hawaii in everything that we have already, France having had interactions with Hawaii before also makes these things more believable.
>>25734424
Zygarde, EVEN IF the Fenrir theory is bang on the money, doesn't necessarily connect to Sun/Moon. For all anyone knows the cores are meant to come into play with day/night mechanics.People have just made a heroic leap of logic that doesn't really hold water.
As for gen 7, the evidence post Magearna all supports a new gen, while nothing since Magearna supports gen 6. Thats the real reason gen 7 is so easy to accept, because Gamefreak has tossed shit out without using it before, and they have very carefully not made any connections back to gen 6 in their SuMo info.
And skepticism is all well and good on it's own, but when you keep braying like a dying goat about "6 this and 6.5 that", its pretty clearly denial.
>>25734491
But there isn't any proof of anything so its all wild speculation. And wild speculation shouldn't even factor into a "which gen is it" discussion - leave that for the "which region is it" discussions.
>>25734529
No no, you misunderstood, I'm not saying it isn't Hawaii, what I'm saying is that it's probably south of Kalos even though the region itself would be based on Hawaii. I'm just giving a bit more of an addition to what's already believed although personally, this feels more like the Johto of Kalos, new gen but serving as a squeal to X/Y of sorts just how G/S were supposed to be for R/G/B.
Okay, what exactly are people expecting out of S/M? Third version? Gen 2-alike? Straight up new gen?
>>25734651
I am expecting a brand new start from scratch Gen, with no more old content than X/Y had.
>>25734651
New Pokemon (but probably less than 70)
Hawaii region
same graphics as XY/ORAS
same mechanics as XY/ORAS
can battle and trade with XY/ORAS as long as you take new shit out of your party just like ORAS players had to do with XY
Some story stuff involving Zygarde, probably post-game
A gen can't be half of a gen you fucking retards. Do you idiots even think before you type. Sun/Moon are gen 7, new Pokemon, but it will dedicate a part of the game to zygarde.
>>25734539
>For all anyone knows the cores are meant to come into play with day/night mechanics.
We do? That's news to me. That seems more like an assumption than anything else. I would like that, sure, but of course approach it with skepticism.
>As for gen 7, the evidence post Magearna all supports a new gen, while nothing since Magearna supports gen 6.
Tengen Hoopa Gurdurr LagaROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA. The evidence you're presenting is "new Pokemon equals a new generation", which is true until this point, but is still just a pattern. If you're gonna go into the depth of it and say that compatibility has to do with the generation because of Johto, you're counting OR/AS as generation 7.
>but when you keep braying like a dying goat about "6 this and 6.5 that"
Yes, I am clearly very invested in the idea that these are a set of entries in the 6th generation, I'm pretty clear in my head about everything on this. I advice people not to dig too deep into it, because well, the less "BTFO'd" people there are the less shitty the board becomes. I'm not really trying to convince people it is part of 6th gendespite it probably seems like that due to how much I write and argue about it, but rather invoke thoughts of skepticism. I encourage people to do some thinking for themselves based of things we have, not patterns to be observed.
>>25734651
What B2/W2 did, but oh so much more. If they pull that off, but regardless of what it actually is because every new game can; be the best games to date. Base the story and lore on what XY/ORAS has and it's pretty crystal clear they're gonna be the best games with story.
>>25734609
Ah, I see your point now. I'm running low on timeto sleep for schoolso I'm not gonna write a responseright now at least
>>25734692
>>>/p/aralleluniverses
A generation is a generation, you can't say it's only a half.
Why are people so insistent on games just for Zygarde and co, when they can still resolve that without being in Kalos at all. Don't believe me? Regigigas. That is all.
>>25734733
I give zero shits about compatibility, because I know if they ever made and incompatible game minus new pokemon it would still get lumped into the last existing gen, and not be a gen of it's own.
As for New pokemon = New gen, its literally THE pattern. Without it 90% of all patterns people talk about would simply not exist when talking about different gens.
I mean, think about it for a minute - we see new Pokemon months before new mechanics, every single time, but it is always labeled a new gen before new mechanics are known. Why is that? No-one is clairvoyant, they can't magically know there will be new mechanics. Even with assumptions, it is the Pokemon that are the primary indicator, and that has always been the solid truth of the matter.
>>25734692
>>25734757
>>25722330
>serebii is proof
is /vp/ really that retarded?
>>25734791
Of course they are, they've been shills since the beginning.
>>25734733
I'm not even trying to parallel universe meme, thinking a generation can be half is retarded
>>25734786
OR/AS literally introduces new Pokemon, which is partially why they weren't compatible. The pattern is that a new generation brings new Pokemon, not the other way around.
Don't go be like "b-but the Pokedex says megas and forms aren't new Pokemon" because they literally are from every angle except from their names, designs they are based off of and that they are strictly related to battles/contests. Without me knowing that it was, if you told me that Absol got an evolution and showed me Mega Absol, even by just showing me the game filesand of course the tools to read the various files within the XY/ORAS romfs, I wouldn't really doubt it at all. It's like people don't think Black/White Kyurem are basically entirely new Pokemon from what Kyurem is.
>>25734808
It's a label people throw at it and it's flawed, but what's behind it is not. Saying 6.5 now is more of a reason for others to say how absolutely retarded it is, because you are right; 6.5 doesn't make much sense hence the status as a label. I'd rather not use it because it's almost used as a tool for falseflaggers and promotional for 7th gen bandwagoners by people who say "6.5".
>>25722913
Why do you think you can't battle between X/Y with ORAS if you have new megas? You're proving his point. The only ones were Mega Latios and Latias but that's because they were meant for some event BS but decided to scrap it because they felt it more fitting to be in ORAS.
>>25734900
Do megas or forms appear with their own numbers in the nationaldex? No, they don't. They are not pokemon, they are forms of old pokemon. The are quite literally the exact same pokemon with a form change. The way the are displayed in the dex, the way they are named, everything about this is directly parallel to forms.
Non-form pokemon all get unique numbers and unique descriptions. If a pokemon lacks these then it is likely a form of something else. (They could potentially add something that breaks this rule, but megas clearly do not.)
>>25734900
Your argument is flawed. If they are not considered in any form of the canon to be different species of Pokemon, then they aren't new Pokemon. If they were new Pokemon, they would've been treated as such, and not as form changes.
>>25734915
Scrap, that's the word I was fucking looking for. Fucking damn.
Anyway, we don't really know. OR/AS were developed partially alongside X/Y. We don't know when the M. Latis were being made and if such an event was planned for X/Y or the future two games, as indicated by the datamining which discovered only two more games after OR/AS can feature with the pentagons.
We have almost no clue about what's been going on behind the scenes.
>>25734944
Read the second line, dude.
>>25734965
>the canon
>different species
Yeah because different species = new mon and not the other way around, right? You gotta realize my argument is in the context of the games themselves, not some arbitrary canon. I know "canon" is also what the Pokedex says, but that's still arbitrary; it's not what the games themselves show from the inside. It's deeper than just the goddamn canon. Read my argument without jumping to the Pokedex or any other "canon" and you'll see my point more clearly.
>>25734965
There is a lot of uncertainty on what counts as a different species in pokemon. A lot of totally unrelated things have the same classification. There are pokemon that are listed separately, but are the opposing gender of another pokemon. Even the matter that pokemon are born as their base form instead of keeping their current state. What exactly constitutes a separate species for pokemon anyway? Are they all counted as one species?
>>25735029
>
How about you stop being autistic and actually read what I said? Megas aren't treated like separate pokemon, therefore they literally aren't.
>>25735031
Good point, but like gender specific mons aren't in the exact the same case as with forms and megas. That's just something I personally feel. You bring up a good question, though.
>>25735041
Detach the word and meaning of Mega Evolutions from the actual megas. Here's the kicker, they were still introduced. Are they new Pokemon or are they not?
Megas are a label on specific Pokemon getting new designs + a certain battle mechanic associated with them. Take what is "Mega" about them and you just have a regular new evolution, which is in your standards classified as a new species.
>>25735071
Nah, Megas are technically powered formes. It's silly to argue they're new species.
>>25735071
Literally everything you just said applies to forms, barring the 1 per team mega limit. Megas are literally just forms.
>>25735098
>>25735100
Well, if you wanna put it that way, yeah. This might seem a bit stupid and like "you're just making up an argument because we exposed you gur durr" but nah, think that if you want.
Forms are also inherently new Pokemon. You can apply the same concept of removing the connection the megas from what they're based on to forms. Remove the concept of it being a form and you're here with a new Pokemon, simplified for your understanding.
>>25735100
>Megas are literally just forms
Except for Megas not existing and breaking compatibility in previous games of the same gen. Exactly like new Pokemon if SM is gen 6.
>>25735135
Just like forms you incomprehensible retard
>>25735126
Again I refer you to the nationaldex, which is nice enough to clearly label forms and megas as non-unique pokemon.
>>25735135
And forms break compatibility too nutsack. Older games cannot have those forms exist any more than they could have megas exist. It doesn't mean they are new pokemon, they are just forms of pokemon that break compatibility.
>>25735161
See >>25735126, did you not?
>>25735173
New Pokemon are new pokedex numbers Jesus christ
>>25735195
This. If it doesn't get a unique number, it isn't a unique pokemon.
>>25735169
>>25735161
>And forms break compatibility too nutsack
No they don't. You can still battle Rotom-W with DP players. But you can't battle M-Swampert with XY players. ORAS is the FIRST time where formes straight up don't work with previous games.
I swear gen 7 fags are newfags who weren't even around during pre-ORAS when there was a huge debate about whether or not there'd be new Megas because of this.
>>25735219
>ohnoes, they did something different later!
And I bet you that if they had any forms with no data existing in X/Y they wouldn't have worked either.
Also, the rotom etc argument is flawed, because only a PORTION of it works. It is isn't compatibility if it is only half-compatible.
>>25735236
>they wouldn't have worked either.
But they DON'T you retard.
>Also, the rotom etc argument is flawed,
No it isn't. Rotom's formes can battle with DP. Megas can't battle with XY. There's nothing to debate here.
>>25735253
Having never bothered to look into it, Hoopa unbound doesn't work vs X/Y? In that case your entire argument is invalidated, and it simply supports the mega = forms argument, as they behave the same as each other in this gen.
>>25735169
>>25735195
>>25735204
Again, you're arguing about something that only holds arbitrary things for conveniences, just like they are with forms. The Pokedex is exactly as it can be observed, a convenient encyclopedia. It even displays very inaccurate information, such as lighter-than-helium-Wailord as one of the more absurd examples.
>>25735169
>And forms break compatibility too nutsack.
Only the ones that have no stat changes, besides both Kyurem forms becauseHINT: they were planned so fucking far ahead to be a thing, can't really explain it another way. Spiky-Eared Pichu is an extremely weird one on the other side of the same argument, as it's not supported in even future games. All that aside, there's a modern day example in OR/AS: the Cosplay Pikachu which is fully compatible with X/Y, outside of that it will display as a regular female Pikachu in X/Y. Non-stat changing forms are the only ones that make sense to be called the same species, of course, because I'm making the arguments in your standards.
>>25735219
>You can still battle Rotom-W with DP players.
This was only a typing change, right? If so, Platinum has a way of "retyping" it while battling with D/P to correspond with the older games' logic. If we get retypings in S/M and if it's 6th gen, it'll probably work the same way if GF thinks of implementing that kind of compatibility.
>>25735236
>because only a PORTION of it works.
I'd like to hear more on that, because I'm only really experienced with how 6th gen works and not really any other than 3rd gen. What were the limitations of Rotom then?
Wait for the 3rd of April, faggots.
All what we know for sure about SM, is that we know nothing.
>>25735307
I want to clarify something quickly: Rotoms typing only changed in gen 5, meaning that Plat was not having to change the types. Gen 5 made large changes to Rotom forms.
But the sprites not displaying is a clear sign of lacking compatibility, and the fact that the pokemon (rotom especially) had to be reverted for online play was a clear sign of incompatibility.
And about the dex? The information in the entries is unimportant. The existence of those entries is. Go take a good look at the ORAS dex, and you will see forms and megas added to existing entries in the appearance/cry view.
>>25722560
What the fuck are you on about anon? You keep yelling "SHOW ME THE GREY VERSION!" at people saying SM is gen7
People are just desperate for something different to happen, but I think they are calling for the wrong different, since all the options that everyone presents is the same thing to me. The same old game with the same old 8 gyms and league and the same old villain team. At this point, it doesn't matter if there's new pokemon or not, it's all the same. It's just that it gives us something different to look at.
>>25735449
Regardless of how disappointing is, new is new, better than just old old old. I know which I would rather have (hint, new is better than nothing.)
>>25735449
>"Pokemon is always the same its the cod of nintendo!"
Kill yourself.
How do you expect to catch them all with that attitude?
>>25735371
Ah gen 5 changed Rotom types.
Then it makes it simpler. Forms were introduced in gen 4, then. It makes it comparable to Black/White Kyurem. You can apply what's going on there to Rotom, I've explained how they're different from Kyurem and new mons. They weren't in B/W, you know.
>The information in the entries is unimportant. The existence of those entries is. Go take a good look at the ORAS dex, and you will see forms and megas added to existing entries in the appearance/cry view.
The Pokedex is a convenient tool for presenting the player with information. It has no relevance to how things function outside of being in the game. The Pokedex isn't the one to define anything, someone has to have written all information down and because real experienced game developers have done it, it's gonna be done as conveniently as possible. They succeed in that, in my eyes.
Anyway, I'm gonna make a quick picture to show you what I'm saying with megas and forms.
>>25735393
Leave that guy be, he's a retard.
>>25735488
For the record, I don't. Go ahead and cry mods, I don't care. If you can't handle it, you're clearly the maladjusted one and not me.
>>25735499
Deoxys had different forms for each game (minus Ruby and sapphire where only the normal one existed).
Also Unown had forms ever since Generation 2.
>>25735499
Ok, assuming we can disregard the Pokedex for the bulk of things, how exactly do you explain megas being in the appearance/cry tab of existing mons? Hell, even in the lore they don't call it a new species at any point. You are grasping at straws.
>>25735499
There's been a number of dialogs describing the dex as being what records the information and not the player.
>>25735510
Deoxys, same as Kyurem and Rotom. Stats and visual changes, being compatible with older games, outside of the visual aspect. How they can do stat changes has to do with the way the mons are structured and the data is presented. I have no further knowledge on that.
Unown, just a visual thing. Aren't Unown based on what IVs they hold and in result what HP types they have?
>>25735523
I explain it by saying that's what megas are. Yes; that's what megas are. Now, this is the image I was talking about making, pic related.
>>25735550
Well holy shit is it inaccurate. Regardless, you can't rely on it to say if something is entirely new or not. You can't say "Shaymin Sky form isn't new because it's a form", because it is new because again it wasn't in D/P. Even if it's not new to the Pokedex or species, it's still new.
>>25735672
Remember that pic related is JUST an example. Avoided repeating myself by using Absol and went with Torchic line instead.
>>25735672
That image is all well and good, only it would still be called forms because it literally reverts back, a trait well known to forms.
Evolutions are a permanent thing, which is why there was a massive "literally digimon" bitchfest when megas were revealed.
>>25735698
As I said, that's a mechanic associated with Mega Evolution.
>>25735672
>that image
Yes, IF it had its own name, its own dex entry, its own cry, etc, and it was a permanent evolution and not a temporary form assumed during battle, it would be its own pokemon. But it's not, because those ifs aren't true.
>>25735718
It is also a mechanic associated with forms.
>>25735738
I know you're being super pressuring on the formes here that are also explained by the image, but okay then explain; Such as? I know Hoopa reverts after 3 days and Giratina reverts after taking away the held orb, but that's it for what I know.
No arguing about "trading them to an older game", because that's not where your argument is planted; it is with the Pokedex and its legitimacy.
>>25735735
The point of the image is that you can remove everything that makes a Mega Evolution a Mega Evolution and everything associated with it and it will still be a new mon in everyone's minds. I only tried to fill a hole where it wouldn't be like "oh then it's a form because similarities" and shit, but that complaint came right after your post. It is the same exact argument anyway, the image would explain it with. We don't have anything else that I can connect it to other than a regular evolution. Oh, I know. We could just have it be a seperate new species, which would still be "a new species", and that is exactly what it would be regardless if it's seperate or a regular evolution.
>>25735831
And I could make the case that Womadam's forms are different Pokemon and that Burmy actually has 4 different evolutions. Hell, it would even be more justified than saying Megas are different Pokemon because at least Wormadam's forms are permanent. But Wormadams forms still are not different Pokemon, because they share a name, dex number, cry, etc.
>>25735831
The thing about forms versus evolutions is that there is ALWAYS a way to revert a form to it's original form (unless alternate forms are the original, like Wormadam etc.) Evolutions are permanent and irreversible, which means mega evolutions can only be counted as forms.
>removing these things that make mega forms would make them evolutions instead
And I could say Raichu could evolve from Dedenne, but just saying they could change that doesn't make it true. Forms and megas are identical barring the limit 1 per battle limit.
Seriously, other than the 1 per battle limit, what makes them functionally different to forms?
>>25735878
damn anon, at it with the dex again
Fucking hell what is it that you don't get?
Okay, whatever. Be convinced that Black and White Kyurem are NOT BRAND NEW POKÉMON. That's literally what you're arguing.
>>25735906
>The thing about forms versus evolutions
Retard, you're the one who's even arguing the fact that Megas are basically just forms. When I allude to that you start trying to debunk your own standard?
I give up for now, it's almost 1am and I think I've proven enough.
>Seriously, other than the 1 per battle limit, what makes them functionally different to forms?
Them being megas, retard.
>And I could say Raichu could evolve from Dedenne, but just saying they could change that doesn't make it true.
Saying that megas don't exist isn't true.
Saying that Dedenne is still a new species is true.
fucking hell guys
whatever goodnight
>>25735957
>>Seriously, other than the 1 per battle limit, what makes them functionally different to forms?
>Them being megas, retard.
It's late and I can't fucking read.
Nothing outside of both the mechanics of megas and the 1 per battle limit makes forms different from megas.
>>25735965
Literally stop using literal mspaint, you're really bad at it and can't get what the fuck you're getting at that makes it gen 7. "It's scrapped" is a thing you guys spout continously over and fucking over again when in reality it's a fucking assumption
>>25735957
The Kyurem forms aren't new pokemon, they are forms. They even literally revert back, just like forms.
Also you have done NOTHING to disprove megas = forms. You just randomly started saying "if we remove this shit, then they can't be called forms", which makes zero sense.
>they are named something different, therefore the identical mechanics mean nothing
Sure, I mean, they are almost 100% identical in every single way, but they clearly can't be forms based off a name.
>saying megas don't exist doesn't make it true
But calling them forms is accurate because that is what they literally are.
You don't even follow your own train of thought FFS.
Again, they put in Regigigas and expanded the lore without it still being gen 3.
>>25736011
>Nothing outside of both the mechanics of megas and the 1 per battle limit makes forms different from megas
Considering the mechanics of megas is literally parallel to forms in every single way except the limit of 1, it seems like we agree.
>>25735965
okay read through it now because sidebyside
The ONLy legitimate point is the text in green
There's a possibility there, but no proof of such
>>25736049
I said fuck off, fine if you want to believe that if they introduced 6th gen with nothing but mega evolutions that it means "No New Pokémon were made" because that's quite retarded
fucking even Zygarde forms aren't even new to you, why didn't you just tell us before X/Y were even out know-it-all?
>>25736073
>mechanics of megas is literally parallel to forms
Forms aren't battle-only. Forms aren't reverted after battle. Forms don't always have stat changes. Forms don't always require held items to become them. As a result, most forms can more than freely revert back on your personal demand. Forms aren't mechanically parallel to megas. They are in every other aspect, though.
There is no difference between a gen 6.5 and a gen 7. If it adds new pokemon, it's a new generation. If megearna isn't available in XY or ORAS but is Sun and Moon, it's a new generation.
Calling it 6.5 is just needlessly complicating an incredibly simple generational step.
>>25735957
>>25736011
>>25736127
Anon, your entire argument is "if we change some things about Megas then they count as new Pokemon". Keyword : If. Your entire argument is just "if". If you can't understand why that's retarded then you're just beyond saving.
I could say my fucking dick was a pokemon if I changed some of its characteristics but that still wouldn't make it true.
>>25736187
My entire argument is that if you REMOVE EVERYTHING about megas, they're still new Pokemon. Mega is just a label for a set of mechanics and a relationship to an older Pokemon.only older because no gen 6 megas as of yet
>>25736127
I have been saying forms aren't new pokemon since back in DPPt. So people would have known this for a long time if they cared at all. Which they don't.
>Forms aren't battle only
So? Forms only matter in battle. Not to mention there are Pokemon that would normally only change during battle, like Zen mode Darmanitan.
Now, what you are missing is that mechanically forms change a base pokemon to another version of itself, with whatever preset stats/abilities/moves that entails, just like megas. And even megas aren't exempt from exemptions if you consider primal reversion to be a type of mega evolution (literally just another battle-only form.)
Your whole argument is built on the idea that they aren't the same thing, and in every way that matters, they are identical. You are literally arguing semantics when the game mechanics speak volumes.
>>25736216
Megas are just formes that are disturbed more liberally. They obvious aren't new pokemon because they share a name with an existing Pokemon and do not have their own Pokedex entry.
They are new designs but not new Pokemon.
>>25736216
My entire argument is that if you REMOVE EVERYTHING about evolutions, they are just forms. Evolution is just a label for a set of mechanics and a relationship to an older pokemon.Oh look, it works both ways.
>>25736216
Once again, "if". That does not make it true. Everything else in the game - its lore, its mechanics, etc tell us that they are not new pokemon; that megas are essentially just forms. That beats your hypothetical "if" statements by a mile.
>>25736231
>I have been saying forms aren't new pokemon since back in DPPt.
Deoxys?
That's the last you're gonna hear from me on this
I've given up on trying to convince you that the Pokedex can't define what's dictionary definition of 'new' and not
>>25736256
>>25736268
>>25736270
what the fucck ever .. ! goodnight don't bother replying anymore
>>25736286
Deoxys forms was never new, it just fucking transformed. New means it never existed in any form previously.
>what the fucck ever
Babbie got sick of the constant BTFO's.
>>25736312
>>25736327
Guess what? It's the same time for me here. What are you, 12? Is it bedtime? kek
>>25736340
No, I have goddamn work to do. I don't want to exhaust myself on arguing with autists who can't think objectively.
I just can't bother with that anymore. I don't have this fluxx thing or whatever because I don't like having my screen turn piss yellow for prolonged monitor viewing with less eye strain. Yeah, I'm tired and so what? "BTFO XD" isn't an argument and I'm saying why it isn't right now. Believe me or not, whatever.
>>25736388
How about you just go to bed instead of trying to justify yourself to a bunch of anonymous nobodies on the internet?
>>25736388
It is okay that others do not think mega pokemon are new pokemon and you do, but please stop trying to pretend your argument is any more valid, you've yet to convince people so this is probably just something you'll have to agree to disagree on
>>25736388
You are the one not thinking objectively. The game literally supports everything I have said, while you sit in a corner and go "b-but... waaaah" every time we counter any of your pathetic leaps of logic.
You have no proof that megas aren't the same as forms in the nationaldex, you have no proof that the nationaldex isn't valid, and you have no way of refuting that new nationaldex entries means a new gen.
>>25736388
>I don't want to exhaust myself on arguing with autists who can't think objectively
>he says when his entire argument is made up of subjective hypotheticals
>>25730273
>gen 6 would be one of the shortest
>when only 2 gens have more games
>when only 3 gens are longer time-wise
>>25736422
it's gonna sound retarded but whatever at this point, you don't even know me
I argue a lot with people when I know they are wrong. When they don't bring up good, factual, objective reasoning for their argument. Such as "boohoo any% speedruns are cheating..!!!" and such stupid fucking shit as that, because they're morally challenged.
I've had one of my friends tell me he noticed I fucking hate and will school people for being ignorant, this is even not typical at all for my personality type. I just fucking hate misinformation and previously mentioned shit.
>>25736449
whatever you say
>>25736463
dig up the romfs for the games and it supports everything i say
>>25736468
refer to above
>>25736492
Internal game structure does not equal intended information given to players. It is literally irrelevant.
Also, I find it incredibly ironic that you are saying we are wrong when YOU are using hypotheticals as though they are proof. Just own up, you are a sperglord who can't back down because you have a superiority complex.
At least I would have the balls to back down if you had a shred of evidence.
>>25736534
We'll just see on the 3rd, right.
