>One week till 6.5 faggots get BTFO
>One more week of starter leaks
Fuck, this week is going to be long. What are you guys expecting to see next weekend?
Also post yfw you're reacting to Japs losing their shit
>"OOOOH KAWAII"
Gen 7 fags will get BTFO when the footage looks the same as XY and ORAS
>mrw gen 6.5 fags get btfo
>>25721014
>>25721063
The only people who's about to get fucked the fuck up are you two for blinding believing in Gen 7.
How will gen 6.5 fags move the goalposts this week?
>>25721063
Ten bucks says that people bitch that the next fire starter isn't a furry fox waifu.
>>25721014
>One week till 6.5 and 7 faggots get BTFO and Sun&Moon are confirmed gen 8.1
>>25721083
What could possibly top Braixen?
>>25721014
>implying they're gonna show anything other than 15 seconds of running in the grass and a city that reveals absolutely nothing
>>25721083
hmm idk about that, but if it's as well designed as Braixen then I wouldn't have a problem
I wonder what the starters will be based on.
Fire is always Zodiac. The unused Zodiac animals so far are: Tiger, Rabbit, Snake, Horse, Sheep, and Ox. (Is Emboar supposed to be a pig or an ox?) A Fire type tiger Pokemon could be really cool.
Grass is prehistoric animals, and Water is sea creatures, which are a lot more broad. What are you all hoping to see?
>>25721045
That wouldn't really mean anything when you consider Black & White reused sprites from Gen IV and kept the same style for their new sprites.
TFW no gen 6.5
>>25721172
>Is Emboar supposed to be a pig or an ox?
A boar, hence the name.
>>25721180
>That wouldn't really mean anything
Yes it would. Gen 5 reused sprites, BUT LOOK AT THE ENTIRE FUCKING REST OF THE BATTLE SCENE and tell me it looks the same as gen 4. It's immediately recognizable that they changed the aesthetic for a new gen both in battle and in the overworld. If the SM footage looks the same aesthetically as XY and ORAS it's over for gen 7 fags.
>>25721172
Typloshion isn't a Rat.
Delphox isnt a Dog.
>>25721195
Its Japanese name is Enbuoh, literally Flame Pig King.
It's a pig.
>>25721219
ya they are deal with it nerd lmoa
>>25721206
A new Pokémon generation is determined by one thing, new Pokémon. We've already got an officially revealed new Pokémon and an unfinished CG model of another.
>>25721220
Boar, pig, whatever. Point is, its def not an ox.
>>25721219
>fire mouse pokemon
>not a mouse
>>25721239
>A new Pokémon generation is determined by one thing, new Pokémon
No. It's determined by new mechanics and compatibility. And if the mechanics are the same the graphics will probably be the same too.
>>25721282
We have different ideas of "gens"
I define it by starters and region. So far every new gen has done that
>>25721014
When's CoroCoro again?
>>25721172
I hope for fire we get fire/electric tiger, water a water/ice newt (and no not char line salamander). And a grass/psychic triceratops.
>>25721298
And I define it by new mechanics and compatibility. So far every new gen has done that.
>>25721307
>yfw it's called Ceratopsi
Hey guys what does gen 6.5 mean exactly?
6.5= 50 new pokes and half of what gen 7 will add?
>>25721349
There is no such thing as "6.5" just dismiss them, as they don't have any sense.
>>25721349
it means they think sun and moon will be like B2/W2 and be a continuation of the XY story, instead of a new generation.
>>25721349
Same mechanics
Can battle and trade with XY and ORAS
Same graphics
Still uses the pentagon
>>25721312
Not him but:
Your definition is random
No new gen hasn't had new Pokemon.
Are you actually a gen 6.5er?
>>25721355
Oh ok
>>25721383
Not him but:
Your definition is random
No new gen hasn't had new mechanics and compatibility
Are you actually a gen 7er?
>>25721312
B2W2 introduced new breeding mechanics, ORAS introduced DexNav.
Neither of those are new gens.
New gens are defined by new Pokemon and a new region.
>>25721413
No, they're defined by new mechanics and compatibility. BW2 has different breeding features, but the mechanics are still shared with BW and they're compatible with battling and trading. Same with ORAS. Individual single player shit doesn't matter as long as it still shares overall generation mechanics and can battle and trade with other games of the same generation.
>>25721148
It would still be our first bit of gameplay when we otherwise know nothing at all, why complain?
>>25721394
What were the new mechanics that Gens 3, 4, and 5 introduced?
And why would a franchise about collectable monsters be defined by game mechanics and not by new collectable monsters?
>>25721268
Going by base forms Charmander is a Salamander, not a dragon, and Fennekin remains a gaping flaw in your autism patterns
>>25721431
Then ORAS is a new generation by your definition.
>>25721312
Fucking retarded, it's based on new pokemon
>>25721413
Also, Crystal introduced Battle Tower and its variants became a staple of the series.
Not a new gen.
>>25721439
>What were the new mechanics that Gens 3, 4, and 5 introduced?
>gen 3
natures, abilities, entire fucking structure of the game is changed
>gen 4
phys/special split
>gen 5
no ??? type, sleep counter bullshit
also add all the various move effect changes each gen has. You really don't know shit about Pokemon do you?
>And why would a franchise about collectable monsters be defined by game mechanics
Gee wiz, why would a generation of GAMES be defined by GAME mechanics?
>>25721450
No it isn't because it can trade and battle with XY.
>>25721462
Fucking retarded, it's based on new mechanics
>>25721431
>ORAS megas cannot battle with X/Y
Joke's on you, fucker.
Your autistic reasoning does not work.
>>25721491
But it can still battle with XY. Same compatibility.
>6.5
Face it, this will eternally be a meme for Gen 7.
Even though we already have proof that it isn't Gen 6.5 there's still a majority of people who think it isn't Gen 7. No one truly knows what makes a "new gen" as you all just throw around ideas and reasons for why it isn't gen 7 and why it isn't gen 6.5.
It's a new generation of Pokemon games.
6.5 is not the same number as 6 and it isn't the same number as 7. It's a different number, meaning that no matter what "gen" this is it will be the new generation. Whether you label it 6.5 or 7 doesn't matter, it will still be new to all of us
Reminder that if SM has the same pentagon system it's gen 6.
>>25721479
>You really don't know shit about Pokemon do you?
>No it isn't because it can trade and battle with XY.
I'll just leave you to figure out the rest of that
>Gee wiz, why would a generation of GAMES be defined by GAME mechanics?
Are you blind in addition to being retarded?
It is a franchise. GameFreak is essentially a subsidiary of Nintendo and THE POKEMON COMPANY.
Pokken Tournament, Pokemon Center stores, TCG, spin off games, plushies, anime, a fucking theme park the list goes on. Do you really think a "generation" of Pokemon would be defined by simple game mechanics? You can't actually be this dense.
>>25721512
Oh shit, that's what defines a generation.
Our bad.
Guys, the pentagon system has always defined generations of Pokemon. Not the Pokemon themselves.
>>25721512
>Implying GF HAS to use the pentagon system
>>25721497
Gen 2 can battle with Gen 1, your point?
>>25721528
>I'll just leave you to figure out the rest of that
There's nothing else to figure out.
>Do you really think a "generation" of Pokemon would be defined by simple game mechanics?
Yes, because the generation moniker only really applies to the main games. The side games do their own bullshit and it doesn't matter what generation they're a part of. By this logic do you count Gale as Darkness as a gen 4 game just because it has two gen 4 Pokemon even though it's only compatible with gen 3 games? See the problem here?
>>25721564
>Gen 2 can battle with Gen 1, your point?
No it can't.
Again, you fags don't know anything about Pokemon, do you? Underagefags need to leave.
>>25721551
No one implied that. But IF they use it then it's gen 6.
>>25721546
In this case it is.
>>25721566
I don't understand your logic and I don't think I ever will.
It doesn't really matter how we define it as fans though because generations are a fan term.
We're getting new Pokemon games with new Pokemon - that's what matters.
>>25721014
>One week
Yet I have the footage. Dubs unlocks gif, trips a webm, quads the video.
>>25721580
>In this case it is.
I thought it was game mechanics and literally nothing else that defined the whole of Pokemon.
>>25721431
>>25721497
ORAS can battle and trade with XY just like GS could trade and battle with RBY, that doesn't mean shit.
In my opinion, new Pokemon and new main region are usually the important points in defining a new gen, they're what set apart a new game from a remake/third version.
However, even if SM have (some) new pokemon and a different region but it's an extension of XY in a meaningful way, I think it can be considered part of the Kalos generation
>>25721627
If the mechanics are the same, it will be able to battle and trade with XY and ORAS. And if it can battle and trade with XY and ORAS, there's no reason for it not to use the pentagon.
>>25721449
Foxes are dogs though. After a couple generations of selective breeding they look like this even.
>mfw gen 6.5 faggots get BTFO.
>>25721645
>just like GS could trade and battle with RBY
>and battle
No, fuck off. Get your facts straight.
For the third time: underagefags need to leave
>>25721662
>mfw gen 7 faggots get BTFO
>>25721580
The keyword is "it". Sure they can use the system itself, but they don't have to use the other slots.
>In this case it is.
Really? Source? I didn't know it was confirmed that Sun and Moon was going to use it
>>25721647
The could keep the mechanics exactly the same, introduce new Pokemon, and not use the pentagon system. Mechanics do not define Pokemon or new generations - new games with new regions and new Pokemon are the three things necessary. Why do you find that so hard to understand?
Pokemon Colosseum had new mechanics (shadow Pokemon) but it was not a new generation.
>>25721282
For other franchises maybe but for Pokémon it's always been about a new batch of Pokémon to catch. As for compatibility by your own argument Gold and Silver weren't Gen 2 because you could trade Pokémon over to Gen 1 games as long as they were from the original 151 and only had moves available in those games.
>>25721675
>>25721479
>>25721566
I'm pretty sure SM wouldn't be able to fight XY unless they get a massive update to recognize the new pokemon, which they didn't do for ORAS.
Okay except for the fact you couldn't use those 2 new pokemon in any way.
>>25721676
>but they don't have to use the other slots.
Then it won't be the same system.
>Really? Source? I didn't know it was confirmed that Sun and Moon was going to use it
IF faggot. IF.
>>25721686
>Mechanics do not define Pokemon or new generations
Yes they do. This is how it's been for 20 years.
>Why do you find that so hard to understand?
Because splitting by mechanics makes more sense.
>Pokemon Colosseum had new mechanics (shadow Pokemon) but it was not a new generation.
Pokemon XD had new Pokemon (Bonsly and Munchlax) but it was not a new generation.
Side. games. don't. count. you. retard.
>>25721691
It's always been about mechanics. Were you not paying attention in ORAS when they added a fuck ton of shit mid-gen? They can do the same with Pokemon. If a game is the exact same thing as gen 6, adding 1 new Pokemon doesn't make it not gen 6.
>>25721172
>Fire is always Zodiac.
nice meme, stopped reading there.
>>25721675
>he thinks gen 6.5 is a thing
>>25721713
If ORAS worked without updates then so can SM.
>>25721439
>What were the new mechanics that Gens 3, 4, and 5 introduced?
holy shit are you thirteen
>>25721662
>he thinks gen 7 is a thing
>>25721666
They could only trade pokemon form the first 151, but yeah.
>>25721479
So now random 4chan anons get the say on what consitutes a new generation even tho 99.99% (stat pulled of my ass) of the fanbase has always counted a new generation as a new batch of NEW pokemon and a new fucking region?
>>25721737
It's not just some dumb theory, Fire starters are actually based on the zodiac.
>>25721580
So imagine if we always get your shitty pentagon from now on. There would never ever be a new generation you gigantic dense faggot.
>>25721728
>Then it won't be the same system
Using other slots in the same blue pentagon system, is the same system faggot.
>>25721728
>Yes they do. This is how it's been for 20 years.
No it hasn't idiot. New Pokemon define Pokemon. New Pokemon define the franchise. New Pokemon define new gens. How dense can you be? Unless you're a troll in which case 7/10 - bretty good bait
>Because splitting by mechanics makes more sense.
It doesn't matter what "sense" it makes to you. The whole of the Pokemon community, save for yourself, recognizes that new Pokemon in a new region in a new handheld game means a new generation. They always tease new Pokemon like Bonsely and Munchlax before the generation is revealed. Don't be stupid man.
>>25721769
>he fanbase has always counted a new generation as a new batch of NEW pokemon and a new fucking region?
The fanbase won't count it as a new generation when they see that none of the fucking mechanics have changed it can trade/battle with XY and ORAS. People only think it's a new generation now because of the marketing and they're ASSUMING there will be more new shit. But there won't. And it will be labelled gen 6 by the end of the year.
>>25721788
>So imagine if we always get your shitty pentagon from now on.
Not possible. XY and ORAS only have exactly 2 more slots that work with the pentagons system. If they don't use the same slots then it's not the same system.
>gen 6.5
>>25721762
>Pokemon
>new generations
Pick one amirite?
>>25721752
There's a difference from new megas to new pokemon. Unless the SM players use XY pokemon only, then sure they can fight, which would make the games stupid.
>gen 7
>>25721100
Pretty much anything, Braixen and its line were the worst fire starters since Torchic.
>>25721372
>>25721363
>>25721349
>>25721355
6.5 fag here.
For me, it means:
New Pokemon and new megas
But no new starters
Region and plot is an extension of Kalos/XY
>>25721653
I think canine is a more accurate term. Both, dogs and foxes are canines.
They've never made half a generation and they never will because it wouldn't make sense. New region? New Pokemon? New protagonists? New generation. Even if it's going to have many similarities with XY it won't be gen 6.5. The previous games also had many similarities and they were always new generations. Tell me, what exactly do you think half a generation would be? Only a certain amount of Pokemon? Only one new mechanic? Well, shit! Won't you look at that? That's exactly what a full new generation would be!
6.5 fags, explain your autism to me please. I'd like to know what I'm missing out on to not understand this.
>>25721822
>not liking Braixen line
>not liking Torchic line
Such shit taste
>>25721822
>Blaziken is popular so i must hate it to be cool.
Nice b8 m8.
>>25721815
>There's a difference from new megas to new pokemon.
No there isn't.
Megas are a new thing that only a new game has that doesn't exist in XY with different types and different abilities
New Pokemon are a new thing that only a new game has that doesn't exist in XY with different types and different abilities
The consequence is the fucking same. If they can make you remove megas and new moves from your party to battle XY and ORAS they can do the same with new Pokemon in SM.
>>25721799
There are no "other slots." It's only the two.
>>25721803
>No it hasn't idiot. New Pokemon define Pokemon. New Pokemon define the franchise. New Pokemon define new gens. How dense can you be? Unless you're a troll in which case 7/10 - bretty good bait
No, new mechanics decide generation. Other media isn't concerned with what generation something is.
>save yourself
Nope
>>25721854
In his defense Delphox is heinously homely and Combuskin is almost literally a penis.
That being said Braixen a qt and Blaziken is fine. Maybe he's just upset because the two afformentioned got into Pokken but his favorite fire starter didn't.
>>25721799
So if the new pokemon use the pentagon it makes them gen 6 automatically or is there something else they need to prove gen 7?
>>25721840
Same mechanics, same compatibility.
People are taking the "gen 6.5" thing too literally. It would still technically be gen 6 but people are calling it gen 6.5 because it encapsulates the idea that it has traits of an old gen (mechanics/compatibility) and traits typically in a new gen (new Pokemon).
>>25721861
>No, new mechanics decide generation. Other media isn't concerned with what generation something is.
Oh...ok...
When did GF or The Pokemon Company announce this?
And was it on their weekly Pokemon talk show or was it during the airing of the decades long anime or was it through a Nintendo direct hosted at one of their many real life Pokemon stores? Or was the news included with one of their mobile games. Oh wait, those things don't exist because Pokemon is not a franchise but a simple set of games defined by you and your "logic".
I really hope they reveal any new starter pokemon, I was believing in gen 6.5 until they said a whole new generation, but whatever. If they reveal new starter pokemon then it means new gen.
>>25721728
Except it won't be one Pokémon, it'll be several.
>>25721896
>When did GF or The Pokemon Company announce this?
Never. And they don't need to. "Generation" is a fan made distinction in the first place.
>Oh wait, those things don't exist because Pokemon is not a franchise but a simple set of games defined by you and your "logic".
No, my logic is that whatever generation something is irrelevant with other media. They stuck Ho-oh in the first episode of the fucking anime like it was a gen 1 Pokemon even though it's a gen 2 Pokemon. Other media doesn't fucking care about generations.
>>25721908
I know it'll be several. But that's the thing about you gen 7 fags. You can't even make a specific number for how many new Pokemon counts as a new generation. That's why judging by mechanics and compatibility is better.
>>25721840
>They've never made half a generation and they never will
Both gen 6.5 and 7 faggots are retarded simply because you both are using this logic against each other.
>they've never made half a gen ever!
>they've never made a new game mid gen ever!
You're both using the same pattern based arguments that you can't argue against no matter which side you're on because they're both based on shit that's never happened.
Seriously both groups are the single most retarded groups ever to hit /vp/, more retarded than genwunners, more retarded than Hoennfags, more retarded than sinnohbabbies, more retarded than anti-faries and more retarded than gen war inciting faggots.
>>25721067
Top. Fucking. Kek. Bruh.
>>25721861
>The consequence is the fucking same. If they can make you remove megas and new moves from your party to battle XY and ORAS they can do the same with new Pokemon in SM.
This is what I'm talking about, why bother to do this when you can only send them to the new games instead and get more cash.
>>25721933
You could ask the same thing about ORAS. People will already be motivated to buy the new games from the new Pokemon the same way people were motivated to get ORAS because of new megas.
>>25721921
And yet you're in here typing volumes with the rest of us. Welcome to the ricefields motherfucker.
>>25721933
>This is what I'm talking about, why bother to do this when you can only send them to the new games instead and get more cash.
Want the new content, buy the game.
Simple they don't need to do anything else and ORAS being the best selling remakes yet shows that.
>>25721282
Every time there has been new pokemon revealed (note, not forms, which have always been blatant) people instantly referred to the game with them featuring (coregame, not spin-offs) as a new gen. Every time.
Mechanics are usually the last things known, but we know a new gen LONG before the mechanics are known. It has always been like that, and t always will be. This 6.5 faggotry has no possible chance of being true without them patching X/Y/OR/AS and we all know they will never patch them (in fact if they were planning on patching them they probably would have announced it when they announced the Bank update.)
So 6.5'ers WILL get BTFO, and the 7 believers will be validated.
It will be GLORIOUS.
>>25721965
>So 6.5'ers WILL get BTFO, and the 7 believers will be validated.
So what if they can connect and battle like oras and XY?
>>25721965
>>25721965
>muh patterns
Nope. It'll be gen 6. They added new abilities, moves, and megas to ORAS. Now they will add new Pokemon to SM. Gen 7 fags will be the BTFO ones.
>>25721920
Except mechanics have been added for every game in the series. Sometimes they're major, sometimes they're minor but every main game in the series introduces a mechanic.
Yes new mechanics are part of the package of a new generation but the defining feature is new Pokémon. The reason there isn't a specific number is because there isn't one.
>>25721861
>There are no "other slots." It's only the two.
They can't create new ones?
>>25722014
>Except mechanics have been added for every game in the series
But the compatibility is still the same. That's why I said AND compatibility. Multiplayer mechanics are the ones that matter.
>The reason there isn't a specific number is because there isn't one.
No it's because gen 7 fags can't get their shit together.
>>25722019
No because XY and ORAS only have two and they're not going to patch XY with every fucking new game release. You should already know how GF feels about patches.
>>25722014
Please learn the difference between features and mechanics.
>>25722035
>But the compatibility is still the same. That's why I said AND compatibility. Multiplayer mechanics are the ones that matter.
Except the entire point of Pokémon Bank is to make future generations more compatible.
>>25722209
I'm not talking about Bank.
>>25721807
The fanbase can and will call a set of new pokemon as a new gen regardless of mechanics, with the only possible fucking exception being they patch X/Y/OR/AS. That id the only way it could still be considered gen 6, and it will never fucking happen.
Never ever.
Get it through your head - mechanics have never defined a gen. Pokemon always have. That is why people always, always, ALWAYS used a revealed new Pokemon as a sign a new gen is one the way. No one has ever given half a flying fuck about mechanics.
>>25722246
This exactly.
It's always been, oh shit Zorua, Zoroark?
We new gen up in here!
Not, oh they've just announced new abilities in the new game with new Pokemon in it in a new region. It is finally officially comfirmed that this is a new generation of Pokemon.
>>25721978
That won't change anything unless they patch XYORAS to be compatible. New nationaldex entries will be all the proof anyone needs if there is no compatibility patch.
>>25721653
>foxes selectively bred to look like dogs look like dogs
Wow how amazing
And I suppose Tanuki are raccoons because they look like raccoons?
>>25722035
>No because XY and ORAS only have two and they're not going to patch XY with every fucking new game release. You should already know how GF feels about patches.
Yoy do realise that this is the exact reason why 6.5 cannot possibly exist right? If they don't patch XYORAS to be compatible with SuMo (and you just admitted you dowthink they will) then it will forever and always be known as gen 7. We literally win no matrer what.
>>25722382
They don't need to patch anything faggotron. It'll be handled the same way as ORAS.
>>25722329
>That won't change anything unless they patch XYORAS to be compatible.
They don't have to patch it though just bar the new pokemon like they did megas in ORAS
>>25722388
>>25722390
If they don't patch it, the fanbase will just default to calling it gen 7. The only faglords that seem to think otherwise are you desperate as fuck 6.5'ers, and your opinions will not matter at all.
This isn't a hard concept to grasp. You are going to lose no matter what you do.
>>25722477
>If they don't patch it, the fanbase will just default to calling it gen 7
No it won't. Just wait a year and see for yourself.
>>25722477
>If they don't patch it, the fanbase will just default to calling it gen 7.
Does that confirm ORAS for gen 7?
>>25722484
Yes it will happen, in fact the fanbase is ALREADY calling it fen 7, or hasn't that sunk into your tiny faglord brain yet?
>>25722494
There were no new Pokemon. Maybe you should actually pay attention to the gen 7 people for once, you might learn something.
>>25722563
>Yes it will happen, in fact the fanbase is ALREADY calling it fen 7,
because people are assuming too much. Once we get more info people will call it gen 6.
>>25721014
>he thinks gen 6.5 faggots can ever be BTFO
Their entire argument involves redefining the term "generation" at will, nothing they reveal will ever convince them they're wrong.
>>25722563
Not them but not many people are calling it either 6 or 7 at this current point in time.
>>25722591
>Their entire argument involves redefining the term "generation" at will
No one's redefining anything.
>>25722591
>Their entire argument involves redefining the term "generation" at will
>implying both aren't doing that
>implying there's a set definition for generation anyway
It's a fan term it can be what anyone wants in any case neither party is wrong in their definitions.
In any case, with GF changing things up like this I'd say it's time to abandon any previous notions of generations.
>>25722571
The more Pokemon revealed, the more of a habit it will become. They won't backpedal without a patch, and that won't happen. It's very simple to understand mob mentality.
>>25722608
Actually more and more are thanks to Joe repeatedly stating it. And when gens are a fan term, theres no fucking way he will backpedal without massive pushback, and no-one but VP will bother pushing back, so the conclusion is clear as day.
>>25721833
>colossal fag here
Ftfy
>>25722613
>New Pokemon has been the standard since gens were a thing
>trying to say LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE
>not redefining
Learn. English. Motherfucker.
>>25722636
One group is moving the goalposts repeatedly (6.5'ers), while the ones standing behind the original definition haven't had to change anything they have said, at all. It has always been new pokemon in a core game = new gen. Always. We haven't had to change a fucking thing.
>>25722646
>Actually more and more are thanks to Joe repeatedly stating it.
Word of the wise, actually pay attention to Joe once in a while after stating it as a new gen he started to become sceptical of it which is why there's a question mark on the gen 7 category. Also it was made sometime after his initial claims.
>>25722673
>>New Pokemon has been the standard since gens were a thing
So has new mechanics.
>>25722696
No, new mechanics simply happened to exist. But even your faggot "conditions" could be broken and it would still be a new gen, which can't be said for Pokemon. They could break literally every single one of your made up conditions and have a tiny handful of new Pokemon, and it would still be a new gen. You are just too blind to see that.
>>25722774
>No, new mechanics simply happened to exist
No, new Pokemon simply happened to exist
>>25722774
>No, new mechanics simply happened to exist
You what?
The game is based around these mechanics and you think that they just "happened"?
Are you retarded or something?
gen 6.5 faggots should get the fuck back to /v/ where their autism belongs
>>25722673
>implying there is an original definition
You are doing exactly the same thing that 6.5'ers are doing. You are using your personal idea of what constitutes a generation, calling it a law and using it to conclude S/M are gen 7.
>>25722636
Gamefreak has used the term generations, so it's official now.
>>25722785
You have got to be fucking kidding me. Literally. You cannot be this advanced level of stupid.
So let's get this straight: in your tiny faglord mind, if they make a new Pokemon game that has no new Pokemon, and can't battle and trade because of some arbitrary addition they made, exclusive to that version, it would be a new gen? Even if it was literally a rehash of an old game, down to the tiniest details, except that one new tiny mechanic that has literally nothing to do with Pokemon themselves, but broke compatibility, it would still be a new gen? ARE YOU REALLY THIS FUCKING RETARDED? A new gen simply does no exist without new pokemon. End of story.
Oh almighty faglord, take your fagatronics and kung-fag back to the magical land of Fagtopia and join your fellow fags and get the fuck out of this board.
Or if you want, you can have a fagectomy and join the rest of us smart people and accept gen 7.
It's going to be a continuation of gen 6 no matter what term you coin it. Only retards like Verlisify think it's gen 7.
>>25722800
No, but you cleaely are. New mechanics get added to keep the games fresh and alter game balance. Those things wouldn't exist if not for new Pokemon.
>>25722803
I am not implying anything. Literally every non-retarded person ever has used new pokemon = new gen ever since G/S. You are just wilfully ignoring that stone cold immutable FACT because you are a moron.
>>25722858
The only way it continues gen 6 is if it is a sequel, and that would still make it gen 7. Reminder, because you faggots are dumb as bricks, new pokemon = new gen. End of story, there is no reason to discuss it.
New Region+New Pokemon=New generation
it's always been this way.
>>25722883
It's just the other half of gen 6. They're going to throw us a curve ball.
>>25721014
>One week till 6.5 faggots get BTFO
>Implying anything will change
I'd bet that Sun and Moon will be in a super awkward position, with Southern Kalos being the region and parts of Northern Kalos being visited in the main storyline and the rest in the postgame.
There will be new Pokemon but only ~50, maybe new starters but maybe just new Megas for the Kalos starters.
The engine will be almost exactly the same as XYORAS both in-battle and out.
Zygarde will feature prominently, as well as possibly Team Flare.
The close ties to XY, the same engine, the same region albeit expanded, and the new Pokemon together with XY amounting to about one regular generation will leave /vp/ and the community as a whole completely unable to decide whether they should count it as 6.5 or 7 with no end in sight.
The problem will only get worse in whatever gen comes after, where everyone will be arguing whether to call it Gen 7 or Gen 8.
>>25722901
Only if they patch XYORAS, otherwise it is still a new gen.
>>25722901
Legitimately thinking that is a possibility. I sincerely hope someone you love dearly gets gang raped.
>>25721206
>LOOK AT THE ENTIRE FUCKING REST OF THE BATTLE SCENE
the green background is just the gen 4 one except that it moves and it's a mix between 2D and 3D, the "battle circles" are just awful looking
>>25722904
Gen 1 and Gen 2 are separate. By that reasoning, the thing you described would still be Gen7, just a really disappointing one.
>>25722922
I love you anon
>>25722929
Exactly this. Anyone who thinks otherwise is autistic.
>>25722926
still different
prepare to be BTFO next week my friend
>>25721063
>STILL thinking it's gen 7
>>25721172
I would say water is actually based on animals that are amphibious in nature-not to imply amphibians, mind, but just that they tend to be marine animals that can also walk around on land
>>25722948
Jokes on you. I fucking love rape.
>>25722993
>still thinking it is anything but gen 7
Faglord detected.
>>25722922
>a person on the internet has a theory about a future Pokemon game that I disagree with
>someone they love should get raped
Jesus christ, why is this such a big deal? Anyone who is this strongly on either side of the argument is a moron. Just calm down and wait until we get more info, no need to fly into a sperg rage.
>>25722929
The Gen 7 advocates will use that reasoning and they will have a pretty good point.
The Gen 6.5 advocates will point out that BW2 had new towns in the old region, new formes albeit no new Pokemon, and a plot that involves the last legendary from the previous game - Kyurem in that case, Zygarde quite possibly in this one. They'll say "It's the same thing as BW2, only they split up the Pokedex" and they'll have a bit of a point as well.
>>25722868
Wow, you are so retarded that you reply to my comment doing EXACTLY the thing I said you were doing, and you don't even realize you did it. You don't get to define what a generation is. You don't get to define what others have been calling a generation. Generations are not a real object, so any fan definition of generation is subjective. The only fact about a generation is that Gamefreak decides what it is. And so far, Gamefreak hasn't told us what a generation is.
For me new starters would make it a new gen.
>one week
IT'S BEEN
>>25723062
Sperglord
>>25723074
THREE THOUSAND YEARS
>>25723062
You are mixing up personal opinion and public opinion. PUBLIC OPINION is that new pokemon = new generation, land history doesn't lie, that is how it has been SINCE GEN 2.
Get this through your fucking tiny skull. I am not the one coming to the table with half-formed theories and fever-dreams. Poll the entire community and the answer will be fucking overwhelming in favour of new pokemon = new gen, and literally everyone knows it, including you, because even you are not THAT fucking stupid.
Even if you manage to change the definition in the future, that means jack fucking shit right now, because everyone knows the ACCEPTED (read carefully dickhead) definition is new pokes = new gen. A handful of faglords on an imageboard do not outweigh the overwhelming majority.
>>25723048
This is Kalos if you don't accept that it's gen 6.5, what's wrong with you?
>>25723225
Prove it is in Kalos. Oh, you can't? Damn shame that.
>>25723160
You must have a cesspool for a brain. Read this carefully: YOU DON'T GET TO DEFINE WHAT A GENERATION IS. You can call it public opinion or whatever you want, run as many polls as you want, that won't make your definition any more valid. Yours is just an argumentum ad populum. Gamefreak defines what a generation is, not you.
>>25723265
Then you don't get to call it 6.5 dickbreath
>>25723137
SINCE YOU LOOKED AT ME
A simple question to all of you "6.5"-people out there: What kind of thing(s) would GF need to show you to make you accept that it's gen 7?
>>25723265
Gamefreak literally already has. Go look at the ORAS dex. They also seprate the gens by Pokemon (although there may be minor details we don't know.)
And if Gamefreak opts not to share how they define generations, it falls to public opinion to fill in the gaps. Which is exactly what public opinion has done ever since Gold and Silver.
Get over yourself, really. Your version of reality doesn't fit, go cry about it.
>>25721085
> still not believing in the supreme theory of Gen Zero
everyone who thinks something will happen in 1 week will have their dreams crushed. The earliest corocoro leaks is in 2 weeks.
>>25723452
A showcasing of S/M are on April 3rd, I heard.
>>25721512
wtf is pentagon?
>>25721172
How do the prehistoric grass thing apply to Torterra, Serperior and Chesnaught?
>look mom! I trolled them again by saying I think 6.5 is real!
>>25723477
Oh shit, sweet.
>>25723504
>look mom! I posted the meme where I imply I say "look mom!", proceeding to sound like a retard ironically just to try get my point across without actually making any points and making the others who have such a viewpoint as my ironic retard version of the viewpoint look like a fool, with the added effects of making myself feel like a more intellectual person
>>25721301
It officially comes out on the 15th of every month but it always leaks around the 10th or the 11th
>>25723560
lol salty 6.5-fag?
>>25723243
>>25723580
Yeah, because I'm sure as hell tired of people not even trying to post something that'll lead up to a nice and civilized discussion and instead go out of their way to be retards and do nothing but shitpost. You're kinda the reason these threads don't go away, so you're not in a position to complain as much as you do.
>>25723600
Yes faglord. Prove it is Kalos. Prove, without a doubt, that SuMo takes place in Kalos, without jumping to conclusions or using hearsay as evidence.
Do that and I swear I will convert and spread 6.5 gospel.
>>25723243
Zygarde is connected to Kalos and has XY/SM's colors on its chest in Perfect form. Else, things lean towards Hawaii, but that doesn't mean it can't be both. It most likely is both because of these things.
>>25723646
I said without jumping to conclusions. Saying the colours have any relevance to SuMo is a massive leap.
Try again.
>>25723661
Fine, say hello to Fenrir, which Zygarde 10% is based off of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir
>Fenrir is the father of the wolves Sköll and Hati Hróðvitnisson
>In Norse mythology, Sköll is a warg that chases the horses Árvakr and Alsviðr, that drag the chariot which contains the sun (Sól) through the sky every day, trying to eat her. Sköll has a brother, Hati, who chases Máni, the moon.
Same as above, but I'll include Hati's description as well
>In Norse mythology, Hati Hróðvitnisson is a warg, wolf that according to Gylfaginning chases the Moon across the night sky, just as the wolf Sköll chases the Sun during the day, until the time of Ragnarök when they will swallow these heavenly bodies, after which Fenrir will break free from his bonds and kill Odin. Hatí is possibly alluded to in Völuspá as "moon-snatcher"
Ok, let me, the one person here with a brain, explain things. Gen 7 will be Gen 7, it will use the remaining two Pentagons, but it will not be Gen 6. How does this work? For starters, New Pokemon = New Gen. Mechanics don't mean a thing. This doesn't make ORAS Gen 7 because there aren't any new Pokemon, so whoever had that idea is stupid. Mega's aren't new pokemon, because they only exist in battle. Now, on to the Mechanics, and why they don't really mean shit. Following obvious logic, X/Y is RYB Re-imagined. That would make S/M GSC Re-imagined, correct? Now, did they not have the Time Capsule Mechanic? This allowed you to trade with Gen one games while maintaining the Gen 2 Status of GSC, correct? Why has no one realized this yet? Simple, you're all stupid when hyped. Logical process? Stop being hyped. Get your heads outta your asses, and you might have seen this. The other two pentagons are for S/M, but it will still be Gen 7. Time Capsule. Also, Gen 1 ReReleases can be used with Pokemon Bank, so it seems only fitting. The Time Capsule allowed you to trade, but only Pokemon that could exist within those games, and only with moves that could exist in them. Logic, it's astounding, isn't it?
>>25723369
You'll never get a straight answer 6.5 faggots will always find a way to say it's not 7.
They are as intelligent as holocaust deniers. Fucking autists.
>>25723771
Maybe so, but at least I have a valid point? If this were proven true, then wouldn't it make sense?
>>25723481
R u dumb ? Torterra is like an anklyosaurus.serperior n chess idk
>>25721014
>"OOOOH KAWAII"
At least use hiragana you fucking faggot.
>>25723789
No because 6.5 is invalid.
>>25723369
New startersbut that's not THE solid conclusion and therefore, new mechanics such as the ones that made X/Y different from B/W.
>>25723729
And where is it stated that Zygarde 10% is based off Fenrir? I never saw anything official stating that. Or anything stating that a Pokemon version of Fenrir would stick to real world lore, for that matter.
Stop. Jumping. To. Conclusions.
>>25723839
If you actually looked up norse mythology, you would probably know.
>>25723832
Wrong.
New Pokemon, region, and protagonists make it a new generation. Mechanics mean shit all, you dumb fuck.
>>25721014
>mfw nothing changes and they keep twisting words to fit their definitions and giving tinfoil hat evidence or they pretend they always supported the gen 7 theory to begin with
>>25723816
Don't act superior you fucking weaboo
Besides, if you can use Pokemon Bank already to transfer pokemon from various places to Sun and Moon, then why not just have a Time Capsule Mechanic anyways? They're literally stuck in a position where they have to have Backwards Compatibility in gen 7. We have to have Bank, but if we can send pokemon like , oh, idk, Zigzagoon, from Sun/Moon to bank, and then from Bank to XY, or ORAS, then why not just have a Time Capsule Mechanic. It'd still be Gen 7, because Pokemon from S/M couldn't be put in Gen 6 games, but pokemon from Gen 1-6, with moves from 1-6, could easily travel between them.
>>25723850
Faggot. Your research means fucking nothing. It's not official so kill yourself quickly.
>>25723852
Okay, OR/AS are gen 7 then. Actually, it would be like gen 12 or something stupidly high because of formes as well.
>>25723850
I REPEAT. Where in POKEMON LORE is any of that stated you HUMONGOUS FAGGOT.
Stop. Jumping. To. Conclusions.
>>25723819
I'm not talking about Myths here, I'm talking about Gen 7, with simple Backwards Compatibility. Gen 6.5 is stupid, but 7 with Time Capsule and Bank is logical.
>>25723884
Where in Pokemon lore is it stated that Kalos is based off of France?
>>25723878
Forms and megas are NOT NEW POKEMON. Only pokemon that have nationaldex entries are considered pokemon, everything else is an extension of an existing pokemon.
>>25723878
Forms and Mega's aren't New Pokemon.
Agreed.
>>25723839
>>25723884
You seem upset. Zydoge is fenrir, anon. I know it's difficult for your retarded brain to connect two and two, but I assure you that it is the truth.
>>25723899
It isn't. The only reason people think that is the layout added to the hints Masuda dropped.
None of the fan theories have any goddamn basis in proof. This is what I have been trying to tell you.
Would gen 6.5 loyalists still deny gen 7 if we got new starters and like 100 or more new Pokemon?
>>25723923
It doesn't matter if it is or isn't what it is based off. What matrers is if it has any relevance at all. Without TPCi or Gamefreak explicitly saying Zydoge is Fenrir, it means literally nothing.
>>25723906
>>25723908
>>25723677
>>25723924
So yeah, obviously that means Hoenn isn't based off of Kyushu because it doesn't say so in the lore.
>>25723923
NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE.
Keep denying it all you won't. Won't change how wrong you are.
>>25721349
Generations are just a fan made term to mean new starters/new region.
Also this >>25721512
>>25721546
During the direct, they mention the Pokemon from RBY couldn't be moved to ORAS/XY directly only Sun/Moon, rather than not mentioning it at all.
>>25723944
>>25723952
Failing to see things past face value is a common trait of autism and aspergers. Are you autistic, anon?
Zydoge is fenrir, get over it.
>>25723957
If generations are just fan made stop defending 6.5.
You can't say it's not 7 and gens don't exist and still defend something as astoundingly autistic as 6.5
>>25723969
Except you're fucking wrong.
At face value you have the IQ of dirt. There is no poked ex entry on zydoge to support your claim. No developer commentary.
Kill yourself.
>>25723936
Yes, they've started damage control already
>M-MUH TRADE COMPATABILITY
>>25724005
>Wailord lighter than Helium
>Indian elephants exist
>other things that don't make sense
Yeah I'd like to believe the Pokedex too, anon, but it's just not a reliable source for that in my eyes.
>>25723936
Yep. They'll keep changing their definitions so it'll fit their deluded wishes until they decide to give up and hide. I'm just glad to see more and more people are picking up on the gen 7 side of things so eventually they'll become an outcasted minority
>>25724048
And your own observations are any more reliable? No. You're just wrong. Dead wrong.
Show me your Ph.D. in anything related to Norse mythology and then you can make claims. Until then keep sucking dick fag.
>>25724068
I don't need a Ph.D. in anything to read books and articles, anon. Try it yourself, it's kinda easy to just read things. Go to the library or look things up online if you're feeling a tad bit lazy.
>>25724005
>actually confirming that you are a sperg
Holy shit this is hilarious. End yourself.
Zygarde is fenrir even though your fucked up thought processes can't see it, sperg.
Also
>listening to the Pokedex
You really are an idiot. See? There's an Undertale reference for you. I gave it to you because I knew you would understand it with your aspergers and all.
>>25724106
uh, we're seemingly arguing the same point, anon
>>25724087
Listen carefully. One anon is trying to say that, in the POKEMON UNIVERSE, Zygarde 10% has a clear relation to Sun and Moon.
However, there is no official confirmation that Zydoge is Fenrir, based off Fenrir, or even a Fenrir counterpart. WITHIN THE LORE, it is nothing more than a form of Zygarde. To add to that, even in headcanon, there is nothing to suggest that Fenrir in the Pokemon universe would have the same lore connections as the real world counterpart.
Do you understand yet? This is about presenting fucking PROOF, not headcanon fan theory trash. And there IS NO PROOF that Zygarde is connected to Sun and Moon.
>>25724218
There's tons of proof. You just can't see it past that Gamefreak shows directly to you because of your mental condition. Maybe if you weren't such a sperg you could reason properly.
It's absolutely confirmed that Zydoge is Fenrir, even if you're too much of a blind idiot spergbaby to see it.
>>25723625
>>25723243
>>25723048
>>25721063
this fucking guy
>>25723936
Yes even if gf says This is a new generation of Pokemon games, 6.5 faggots will just say that gf is wrong and they are using a wrong definition of generation.
Mechanics is something you just must have because duh its a new game, but what makes it a different generation are characters, starters, new pokemon entries in the pokedex and regions.
Oras characters are not new, starters are not new, the region is not new.
>>25724239
>>25724218
Okay, let's look at what Zygarde is based off of; Nidhogg and Jörmungandr.
>In Norse mythology, Níðhöggr is adragonwho gnaws at a root of the world tree, Yggdrasil.
Not really related to what's going on below, but that's the basis of what also Xerneas and Yveltal are based on; the deer and eagle located at Yggdrasil.
>In Norse mythology, Jörmungandr (Old Norse: Jǫrmungandr, often written as Jormungand, or Jörmungand and also known as the Midgard Serpent, or World Serpent, is a sea serpent, the middle child of the giantess Angrboða and Loki.
>Loki
>In Norse mythology, Loki (/ˈlɒkJ/) Anglicized (/ˈloʊki/), Loptr, or Hveðrungr is a god or jötunn (or both). Loki is the son of Fárbauti and Laufey, and the brother of Helblindi and Býleistr.
>>>By the jötunn Angrboða, Loki is the father of Hel, the wolf Fenrir, and the world serpent Jörmungandr.
>Father of Hel and the wolf Fenrir, as well as Jörmungandr which is themiddlechild
>Fenrir
I can't explain much about Hel, but in a weird connection, we can conclude that that Complete Zygarde is basically Loki, which has "children" which are Zygarde 10%; Fenrir and 50%; Jörmungandrwhich again is also based off of Niddhog, but that's not related to this exact piece. I'd call this a theory and you should too, but it's convincing as fuck because how X/Y exist and the exact tie-ins the lore gives us to norse mythology.
>>25723814
> R u dumb?
> answers 1/3 of the post
Fucking retarded.
>>25724467
Oh, forgot that Bulbapedia sums up some other stuff as well.
>Zygarde 50% Forme's appearance is based on a serpent in the shape of the letter Z. It may also draw inspiration from the sea serpent Jörmungandr and the dragon Níðhöggr. According to the Prose Edda, Jörmungandr is a child of Loki who was tossed into the great ocean that encircles Midgard by Odin. The serpent grew so large that he was able to surround the earth and grasp his own tail. As a result, he received the name of the Midgard Serpent or the World Serpent. When Jörmungandr lets go of his tail, the world will end. Níðhöggr is the dragon from the Poetic Edda which resides at the bottom of the world tree Yggdrasill and gnaws at its roots. Níðhöggr is identified as both a dragon and a serpent in the Skáldskaparmál section of the Prose Edda. The patterns spread across Zygarde 50% Forme's body are very similar to ribose and deoxyribose molecules. Its tail's shape is possibly based on base pair codons, the essential building blocks of the DNA double helix.
>>25724478
>Bulbapedia
>>25724492
It draws from other sources regarding this. It's perfectly acceptable, but if you don't view it as such, just go and read up what I gathered in the post that the post you're quoting quotes to.
>>25724239
Bulbapedia isn't proof. You have no proof. You have FAN THEORIES. Fan theories, understand?
You. Have. Zero. Proof.
I agree that the fan theory is likely close to the mark, but it is nothing more than an unverified theory.
>>25724585
but then you have things that are so heavily implied that it's what Game Freak are basing their major story based box legendaries on, so heavily that there's no denying that they absolutely are. You can't say it's just a fan theory that Kanto's based off of real life Kanto. Regardless of the name, everything else fits.
If Bulbapedia lists something that indicates something that Game Freak themselves hint so strongly at, don't use Bulbapedia as a scapegoat to say it's invalid.
>>25724632
If GF hasn't stated it, it doesn't matter how many hints there are.
>>25721449
>implying gamefreak has to abide by your logic
who cares what you think
Even if Zygarde does play a big part in Sun and Moon, that wouldn't make this gen 6.
>>25724640
you're retarded dude. let go.
>>25724640
From that we know that
Kanto's not based off of Kanto.
Johto's not based off of Kansai.
Hoenn's not based off of Kyushu.
Sinnoh's not based off of Hokkaido.
Unova's not based off of anything related to USA.
Kalos is not based off of any part of France.
Literally anything that's based off of a concept isn't based off of that concept unless stated otherwise by Game Freak.
It makes so much sense that Game Freak are the only ones to have a say in what something's based on, despite the obvious things that are not only hinted at but are the only things and scenarios that work.
>>25724632
It doesn't matter how blatant shit is. Remember how blatant shanghai seemed? And then it fucking wasn't.
Only trust official sources for official info. Respect that fan theories are fan theories. And when someone asks for FUCKING PROOF, don't bring in fan theories acting like they are the gospel falling out of GF's ass.
There is no proof of Zygarde being connected to Sun/Moon. At all.
>>25724715
You are literally arguing for no other reason than to prove a point. Xerneas and Yveltal are based on Norse mythology.
>>25724640
just stop replying to bait i guess
>>25724724
I'm the one who wrote >>25724467 and >>25724478, I know what they are based off of.
>>25724717
Proof? Yeah I'd like to see proof that it isn't. If what I wrote isn't proof enough with being directly connected to Zygarde 10%; Fenrir, who is the father to the wolves that basically ate the sun and the moon, isn't proof enough for you then I don't know what is.
Else, see >>25724715 if you're so into the mindset that "theories are wrong by default and only Game Freak can shed light on it to reveal it's true".
>>25724717
Also, a nice reminder to watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTSGiZfIhU
There's even more to the lore outside of just what Zygarde is based off of.
oh i didn't mean to overwhelm the thread :c
I like having genwars for gens that aren't even out
>>25725018
but the gen is out
Either SM is gen 6 or it is gen 7.
Gen 6.5 is the dumbest shit ever. Half generetion never existed and never will.
>>25725253
6.5 is basically just a label on a 6th gen game. Why people started to say this, I don't know. I would assume because of Magearna being revealded as well as everything with Tengen Hoopa Gurdurr Laga
