Expansion has officially released, rev up those spoilers boys. Don't expect the expansion to be fully translated until several months from now.
Last thread: >>24900426
Game download pre-patched and ready to go in english (No expansion):
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ynnmmo4k9noe0cr/%E5%B9%BB%E6%83%B3%E4%BA%BA%E5%BD%A2%E6%BC%94%E8%88%9E.rar
If numbers are messed up you'll need to set your computer to japanese locale or use Locale Emulator (Sometimes just changing the applocale works, but not always):
https://mega.nz/#!q0lixKqI!n07oANzavBNSgGwWtm5Ezyuf9B0ifT36yi6Vmyi3kjo
Wiki: http://tpdp.supersanctuary.net/wiki/Main_Page
Puppetdex with a bit more utility than the wiki, have to download and use a spreadsheet viewer:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/ozuu2sf3ovitzux/tpdp_PuppetDex_1.91.xlsx
Short FAQ and misc links: http://pastebin.com/NyBVqHVy
Expansion trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS5N0_paQME
Scarlet Pettanko.
>>24914815
This is a safe zone for any and all waifus, please do not start a thread off with such rampant bullying.
>>24914815
i can't wait for more ai puppets to have nicknames
>>24914834
It might only be Remilia since she's the name rater and all.
Who's hyped for getting to battle your waifu?
I can't wait to completely destroyed by Raiko
>>24914922
Waifu and backup waifu are both already fights in the base game, here's to hoping for some cute facial expressions and post-game rematches.
So has Nether been confirmed to be less bad now
>>24914959
I don't think anyone's gotten far enough / done enough datamining to really say anything about how things are going to work out at at the new endgame / netplay.
>>24914922
I'm praying for buffs to my favorite. Big buffs. Otherwise I'll riot.
Let's all hope Kagerou gets a better moveset
>>24915012
What she really needs is not having all of her styles taking quad damage from two of the most common offensive types out there.
RaikoE is Sound/Illusion typing, base stats of 100/60/100/60/100/100
5 weaknesses doesn't seem very good for something so designed to be a wall.
>>24915032
Man that stat spread is wonky as hell.
The only thing that can remotely salvage that is if she's got some real damn good skills that she can use her speed to pre-empt with, otherwise that's a hell of a lot of stats being wasted on something that has no use for it.
>>24915032
where are you getting this info, out of curiosity?
So the meta is fast enough that Stealthy Stalagmites aren't relevant, r-right?
>>24915032
Derp, I mean 4.
Weak to Wind, Electric, Illusion, and Chaos, resists water, nether, light, dark, and fighting.
>>24915059
Yeah, those are legit unusable offense stats; base 60 offenses aren't salvagable even with Choice items. RIP RaikoE, unless stall somehow becomes viable. At least there's still RaikoP.
>>24915075
IRC channel.
>>24915091
Just about everything can learn the rapid spin equivalent.
wait
I HAVE TO REPLAY THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME IN THE EXPANSION?
FUCK
>>24915130
>Not enjoying an excuse to play through the game again
The entire game's getting reworked so at least it's gonna be a new experience.
>>24915130
They changed the scenario so yes.
>>24915111
I say this and then learn that she gets Revolving Illusion (i.e. Foul Play). So at least she can hit back with that.
Also gets a move that induces Shock (i.e. Heavy Paralysis; quarter speed and is always hit by enemy attacks).
>>24915139
>>24915141
download link where and when
any new OST?
>>24915149
I had a feeling that'd be the case, that stat spread is either utterly worthless or very powerful depending on the kinds of skills she gets and Hemo ain't the kind of guy to let it be garbage.
>>24915027
I'm hoping KanakoP gets a sizable power buff. She's not very good compared to her defense form, and defense form isn't particularly good to begin with.
Where's muh Miko
>>24915158
https://mega.nz/#!rJYS0bzZ!RLdd9fUoBFR_0QEeoT6ErgBbkAEOdf7ch2QeKYe0skY
You need to do something to play the expansion?
>Expansion came out
>I still never got around to getting my all S Reincarnated team to a high level in the original
Oh well. I'll just transfer my perfect Reimu.
>>24915139
I'm just waiting till the TLs can give word on if the main story got any significant changes before I play through the japanese, since I already beat the game in English.
>>24915209
Have a properly structured main game folder to install into. I had to do a fresh install and transfer my save over to do it.
>Hecatia base stats are 590
>She is the stronger windows era puppet
HEMO!!!
>>24915228
So the TL patch fucks the expansion install I'm guessing?
>>24915164
Yeah. First Aid Treatment, Revolving Illusion, the like, running off of 100/100/100 defenses and 100 speed. One of her abilities is Maintenance (i.e. Shed Skin), her other one is new and effect isn't known yet.
Might be useful as a defensive pivot if only because STAB Resolving Illusion is good, but 4 weaknesses to common attack types might ruin that. RaikoP has just 1 weakness and 3 resistances for reference (weak to Earth, resistant to water, sound, and nether), which is particularly good because having just 1 weakness (and not even a double-weakness at that!) seems to be much more difficult now that illusion types have Chaos types to deal with
>>24915263
Seems like the extra style is going to live or die by what types the most common puppets are.
It has potential though, a high speed mixed wall is pretty neat.
>>24915164
The same goes for every stat spread. I mean, just look at P. Rumia.
>>24915112
But does anyone use it? I'm looking through the usage stats at http://gensou-suwako.com/correct/URViewer/URrank.php, and I can't find anything that seems to translate to Smash Spin.
I can see it being useful to keep all those pesky Wind-types at bay, and there are some good puppets with Bind Trap to slow down the hyper-offense.
>>24915263
Speaking of Maintenance, it breaks my heart that there's no 2hu that plays like Scrafty in this.
>>24915312
If nobody uses traps then there's not any reason to use Spin either.
>>24915296
Well, yeah, can't argue with that.
But it's a lot more common to see a shit stat spread and it ends up not being a very good unit rather than seeing a great stat spread and it ends up not being a good unit.
>>24915284
She's weak to Wind, Illusion, Electric, and Chaos. The first three are all very common and the last will probably be very common specifically to prey upon the former two. I'm still pretty worried, but she still has her stellar P stance to fall back on anyways
>Clownpiece is red on one side and blue on the other
Neat.
>>24915349
They're actually pretty good about not just straight up mirroring sprites, i.e. Sagume's wing.
>>24915349
o shit that's cool
>>24915296
>Rumia will NEVER EVER have 100+ BP Spread attacks
At least there's Remilia.
Is there a collection of all the new info/changes so far yet anywhere>
>>24915192
hell fucking yes.I'll by it when I'm back from holiday stuff. I'd like to repay hemo in some way
>>24915032
you haven't heard anything about YukariE, have you?
>>24915405
This is what I'm most excited about myself. Going through the wiki theorycrafting is going to be fun.
But to answer your question: not yet
>>24915414
100/125/95/80/85/95, Illusion/(New Type).
She appears to have fallen victim to ShinkiS's curse of being too balanced in stats.
Oh, and here's the big one. RenkoE's stat spread:40/10/205/10/205/10
She is now Shuckle.
MaribelE's stat spread while I'm at it:
90/120/70/30/80/90.
So was Sariel buffed or nerfed in expansion?
>>24915328
Looking through the top 25 for usage and rating, only
- TokikoP (7.06% usage, of which 10.6% have the move)
- ChiyuriD (5,87% puppet usage, 41.6% move usage) use Stealth Trap, and only
- Parsee (5,47% puppet usage, 40.6% move usage) uses Bind Trap.
You're probably right that it's not common enough that people bother preparing for it.
>>24915484
SarielP is now Dark/(New Type), if that matters.
>>24915480
E? What does the E stand for? sorry, I haven't kept up with the expansion at all.
>>24915513
Extra; i.e. the new stance for each puppet.
>>24915513
Extra
>>24915480
Damn, both of those are pretty legit, especially with RenkoE's ability.
Any word on Remi / Momiji?
I can't catch Kogasa unless I free up a party slot. Other puppets will go to my box, but she just disappears.
>>24915480
>She appears to have fallen victim to ShinkiS's curse of being too balanced in stats.
fug. Well thanks for the info reformed smogfag. I'll use her anyways
>>24915533
that doesn't make any sense
>>24915588
I caught two Kogasas with a full party, and they weren't in my box. I caught one with 5 members and it went into my party.
>>24915595
Either the box is full and they went to the next box over or you are thinking they will end up in your first box though you left the box screen on a different page. Puppets will always go to the box you look at last in the puppet box unless that box itself is full. Try checking around.
DoremyP stats: 50/125/45/125/45/125.
Nether/Illusion typing, and SHE GETS STARVED SPIRIT
IT BEGINS
>>24915652
Actually, it's a glitch.
>>24915653
The power of smug.
>>24915653
that is one glass ass cannon. Looks neat aside from getting shat on by priority.
>>24915660
O, well I never had any issues with it but on that note I am playing the translated version. Kinda scary knowing I could be missing puppets now. I might have to order them and go down the book list.
>>24915678
Yeah. Gravity Blast (presumably) + Starving Spirit for STAB is absolutely nuts; only things that wouldn't be neutral to at least one of those would be steel/sound, void/light, or void/sound. Back that up with ridiculous speed and a stellar attack stat, and she's basically something you NEED priority to deal with.
This is why Sound now resists Nether; so things like this can exist.
>>24915701
Also they changed the layout of the Hakurei Mountain Cave, because the first time around being an un-navigable mess wasn't enough
>>24915710
It's not complete until you spend more time navigating the caves than you spend on the entire rest of the game.
>>24915713
Just fucking with you; the layout appears to be such that while there are still tons of paths, they all lead to the end.
There's also a new physical nether move that appears to be the equivalent to Pokemon's Shadow Force, but apparently without the immunity to attacks on the first turn that Shadow Force had.
So basically garbage.
>>24915710
I had an easier time with Hakurei than I did in fucking Hell.
Fuck that cat.
Oh god, apparently the Moriya Shrine is much more difficult.
Kanako has a Moody SuwakoS. With Nature Barrier.
Sanae has a DReimu with Invoke Deity and First Aid.
WELCOME TO HELL
>>24915660
I remember in older versions puppets would seemingly disappear. I'm guessing this got patched out?
also for those who want to play the expansion right now but can't afford shit and downloaded the stand alone version of the base game, you'll need to do the shit specified in this old post: https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S12872368#p12876936rip /jp/
>>24915874
awesome. Optional bosses should be rather ball-busting
I don't see any dark types in high usage. Is it just a shit type?
>>24915909
Not a shit type, it's just that nobody likes the dark-type 2hus.
>>24915886
I did that and it still didn't work.
>>24915909
In the base game, yeah, very much so. It's weak to two of the top three most common offense types in the game, only hits strong against some of the least commonly used types in netplay and resists almost nothing.
A puppet being dark type is almost always a bad thing.
>>24915886
Pretty sure the expansion does things differently than a patch
>>24915920
b-but i like remilia
>>24915936
Yes
You do
Somene has ripped out all the mew art and new face reactions? I need to power up my folder!
Anyone have RikaE's stat spread?
How many months for a translation
>>24916115
(New Type)/Steel
60/45/140/45/140/60.
She's a wall. I am sorry.
>>24916132
The team says 3-8 months
So how does Dream work? Is it still neutral against everything?
>>24916147
The expansion sure is bringing in an influx of really beefy mixed walls with nonexistent attack stats.
Maybe they're trying to make stall not completely impossible.
>>24916147
Sorry?
I mean, I can just use attack Rika and trick room anyway...
>>24916157
Yep. No strengths, weaknesses, resistances, or immunities.
>>24916161
Yeah. At least RaikoE has the game's equivalent to Foul Play so she's not completely impotent offensively.
Is anyone uploading the new extra style puppet typings and skills anywhere?
What are Yuyuko's?
And any new dream type attacks?
>>24915886
If I was further along in the game I could test it on puppets more likely to resist the string, but I went back to confirm I really did get the string on it just in case. It feels almost like it resisted it but played the wrong animation, but if that was the case it would be happening to everyone.
Would Sukuna and Elly on the same team be redundant?
>>24915936
Remi would probably be better without 4x weakness to Steel which is a massive priority type.
>>24915921
I installed to the same folder that contained the original game folder and had no issues
>>24916233
EYuyuko is Nether/Wind
80/135/85/60/75/105
Yes, she does get Midnight Apparition. One of her abilities is Inverse Reaction, the other is new.
Also for fun, WakasagiE
Water/Nature
120/40/70/145/70/35
Both abilities are new. BEWARE THE WAIFU
>>24916293
If you built Sukuna as a tank and Elly as a nuker then it'd be fine, you'd just have to have the rest of your team be able to deal with things that are good against steel.
>>24916298
Being a glass cannon with only 110 speed in a meta with a multitude of amazing 120+ speed puppets sure doesn't help either.
>>24916364
It keeps giving me garbage about temp files no matter where I put the original game folder.
>>24916391
I'm liking that Yuyuko spread. Also inverse reaction is a damn good ability. Assuming she gets actual moves she should be super solid.
EShinki
Dream (NO WEAKNESSES HERE)
105/70/120/110/75/120
Ability 1 is Surprise Tactics, Ability 2 is Projection
No comment.
>>24916459
That has potential.
Just a straight forward brute force bruiser, a stat spread like that can easily bully most things down through sheer stat advantage now that she's finally not wasting 50+ points on a second attack stat that she never uses.
>>24914922
Are all touhou battles confirmed?
Because I want to see my kappa's team.
>>24916459
I'm making a fog team.
>>24916459
no weaknesses is great, but I wonder how significant the loss of stab will be
outside of those concerns she looks pretty damn silly. That spread is stupid good.
>>24916505
She's already an extra post game boss in vanilla.
>>24916515
Really? I went back and she didn't have anything new to say...
Good news for nether fans: Poltergeist is a skill card move in the expansion. Nether types being deliberately crippled appears to have ended now that two types resist them.
Other old moves that got promoted to skill card status include Thunder Cut (i.e. BP 90 physical electric, 10% chance to boost speed), Ice Prison (i.e. Surf), and Backdraft (i.e. Flamethrower).
Oh, and AyaP lost Rush Attack in favor of the new physical fighting multi-hit move. AyaP actually nerfed?
>>24916637
Things sure are gonna get interesting once we get a fully comprehensive resource for all the new styles / changes.
Prepare all your theorycrafting autism, we're goin in deep boys.
>>24916666
I theorize that KokoroP will be dominate.
>>24916637
Oh, and Dancing Sword (BP80 Fighting focus, increased crit chance) and High Tone Crush (BP95 Sound focus, 10% chance to randomly lower a stat of the opponent)
Also as pennace for accidentally posting Sukuna instead of Raiko...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h27zvmfbpjphowe/dollPages.zip?dl=0
Enjoy seeing how blessed/ruined your waifu was by the extra stance!
How's YoumuE?
>>24916415
Sweet, I did build Sukuna tanky. Utsuho was my starter, so maybe something like:
SukunaD, EllyP, UtushoS, MurasaD, MamizouD and ??
>>24916706
Steel/Nature
Both abilities are new
95/50/100/105/120/50
Enjoy your slow bulky gardener
Oh yeah, here's one of note:
EFlandre
Chaos/Light
Ability 1 is new; it's a 20% boost to attack stats but makes her lose HP every turn
Ability 2 is Free Breathe
95/120/120/50/85/70
>>24916706
Grass/Nether with 2 new abilities and a slow tanky stat layout (95/50/100/105/120/50)
>>24916682
you're a pretty fucking cool guy Raiko anon
Also this does confirm that experience gain has been modified. For an example, looks like 80 cost puppets have gone from 700,000 exp@lvl100 -> 850,000. 120 cost went from 1,300,000 -> 1,150,000.
>>24916682
Oh boy here we go, time to start digging.
MomijiE is 80/95/130/55/115/20 nature steel, yet another mixed wall with minimal offenses. Man, they're really throwing these out everywhere.
RemiE is 90/60/100/115/75/100 poison water, that's some pretty goddamn solid bulky offense aside from the average types.
>>24916682
ClownpieceE is strange.
40 Speed with Up Tempo.
120 HP, 120 SpDef, but 35 FoDef
>>24916682
I haven't a clue what I'm looking for.
>>24916761
>>24916770
It was posted on the IRC.
Also posting bug meant I replied to Youmu-anon twice, oops.
Speaking of giant walls, EEiki is Chaos/Void type with 140/60/100/90/100/60 stats and 2 new abilities. Double-weakness to dark is kind of horrible for a wall though.
>>24916794
Yeah, I figured, too lazy to follow the IRC though. Staying active in this thread already takes up a bunch of my time as is.
Oh dear god.
There's an upgraded version of the dream fragment that's a 50% boost to ALL STATS (save for HP), that also functions as Native Grace (i.e. 2xEXP and PP gain) on top of that.Both it and the regular version are banned in online play.
whoa what the shit
YuugiE has a BST of 640. As for the downside: the ability Waster. Seems trivial compared to YukariP and SuikaP's downsides.
Anyways:
Wind/Steel
95
105
90
135
135
80
>>24916857
Goddamn, now that's some serious waifu power right there.
Even if that's post-game only that's still going to be disgustingly powerful and just demolish anything you haven't finished yet.
What about the regular dream fragment though, any confirmations on it yet? Wonder if my testing and speculations ended up being accurate.
>>24916857
Yo.
Where can you get that shit?
>>24916857
So it turns your waifu into Arceus, got it.
>>24916864
Fucking huge.
>>24916875
That appears to only be a 10% boost to all stats.
Also, KogasaE.
Water/Sound.85/120/70/50/100/55
Abilties are a new one and Metallurgy (i.e. immune to steel, if hit by steel gets boosted ATK)
She learns Manifest: Genbu.
SURPRISE SHE'S ACTUALLY A PHYSICAL GENBU SWEEPER
Looks like UtsuhoS was nerfed. Speed 100->90. HP +10
>>24916918
Sure can't say that's surprising.
>>24916907
Also she learns the game's equivalent of Curse. And a move that gives her +2 special defense if you really want to fuck with your opponents.
WELCOME TO WAIFU WARS
I got the boat and explored all of the magic forest, found the icy cave in middle of the lake (though I could only grab an item as an ice block was blocking my path) and went back and got a ton of items that require a boat to obtain.
Where do I go now?
>>24916956
Where Nitori told you to go, dork.
W-what about Komachi?
And I suppose I should also inquire as to the new toys formy real waifu[s]Mystia[/s] [s]Wriggle[/s] I'M A CONFUSED MAN
>>24916956
>ice cave
not that i can explore it either yet, but why did I not find this when i explored the lake
>>24916931
Apparently that's not the first time stuff like this has happened. Previous nerfs include stuff like making DReimu no longer be able to learn a OHKO move, and nerfing PNue's stats.
In the middle case, any previous examples that had it would keep it, but they would be illegal for online play. Presumably that'll happen for anything that could be learned by a puppet in the original game but not in the expansion if it got transferred over.
This means that what I said earlier was right:
AYAP WAS NERFED
>>24916983
It was kinda to the left so maybe you just missed it thinking it was part of the normal land?
>>24916964
I don't even remember who that is anon.
>>24916907
>inmune to steel
Well, duh, she is an ultimate blacksmith.
>>24917026
>>24916956
If I'm remembering correctly, go to the left of the misty lake and go up the river using your flashy new boat
>>24916918
How in the fuck was Utsuho OP?
>>24917006
Nerf over bans
Oh hey, a lot of the low-cost puppets had their stats adjusted in general, usually taking stats from their "bad offense" and putting them into areas that they would be useful in instead.
For an example, WakasagiP lost 20 ATK and got 10 speed and 10 HP.
ChenS lost 10 ATK, gained 5 SpATK and 5 Speed (so she now outspeeds FutoS).
God, having a high BST feels less and less useful when the lower ones tend to get more optimized stats and the good statboosting moves.KogasaA lost 10 ATK and gained 10 SpATK, which on something with Fairy Dance is scary as hell
>>24917049
135 SpAtk.
Ability to have 100% hit rate.
Move with 50% hit rate and 100 power that burns if it hits.
120 power Fighting move with 85% accuracy.
STAB knockoff.
It just works.
>>24917039
O yea, I remember what happened now. The NPC right before it say something about being careful and even recommend writing your will before going. So I decided to go out and explore and grab everything first. Somewhere between exploring the giant ass Magic Forest part 2 and just general backtracking I honestly forgot that area existed.
>>24917078
That's pretty good but it hardly seems out of line with some of the other high-end sweepers in the game.
Did she have a lot of bulk too or something?
>>24917148
Base 100 speed (i.e. hitting what in Pokemon is one of the most critical benchmarks in the game).
She's still a joke compared to the Fire/Fighting types that exist in actual Pokemon (Blaziken obviously, but even Infernape is ridiculous as well)
>>24914938
>backup waifu
>>24916147
Guys, I was wrong.
RikaE's one ability has it change form when it attacks (complete with sprite change), and she can change back only when using a certain move.
RikaE isn't a wall.
SHE'S FUCKING AEGISLASH EXCEPT DRIVING A FUCKING TANK
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES ABANDON THE GAME
>>24917378
Reveal to us this form.
>>24917378
NO. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
I AM NOT DEALING WITH THAT FUCKING THING ~AGAIN~. WHY WOULD YOU DECIDE THAT THIS GAME NEEDED AN EQUIVALENT TO THAT OVERPOWERED EMBODIMENT OF WHY I GAVE UP ON COMPETITIVE POKEMON PLAY IN GEN 6
I AM NOT DEALING WITH THE UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNTS OF BULLSHIT BRINGS TO THE TABLE
Let me put it like this. Smogon found that Giratina's Origin Form would be less degenerate in OU than Aegislash. The BST 680 Ghost/Dragon with 150/100/100 defenses, base 90 speed, and 120/120 offenses is LESS overpowered than Aegislash. Both of Giratina's forms see less usage in Ubers than it (it's ranked #15 in the usage charts for reference, which in a tier filled with overpowered bullshit is saying a lot)
That is the level of overpowered we are dealing with here. This is something stronger than a lot of things in Pokemon that were designed to break the game into pieces.
Fuck AyaP, THIS is supreme bullshit of the highest order. This is the sort of thing for which bans were designed to remove from the metagame. THIS is the sort of thing that deserves to die in a goddamn fire.
#BANAEGISLASH
>>24917410
Chaos/Steel (SPIN BLOCKER)
60/45/140/45/140/60
Ability is this game's equivalent to Pokemon's Stance Change.
Offenses presumably flip with defenses when in the offensive stance.
>>24917458
Justo bring RenkoE, BAM! No ability
>>24917458
This is a game where Moody is smalltime. I'm not too worried about it.
>590
Defense Hecatia looks pretty good.
Void
80
120
70
70
200
50
There are a bunch of new abilities for each form, so it's hard to tell which is the best.
>>24917458
Wait no hold on it's looking to be nowhere near as degenerate; the King's Shield equivalent only reduces damage rather than eliminates it entirely and it's unknown whether the sharp attack drop against contact moves is still present. Hopefully Protect doesn't flip her back like how it somehow didn't with Aegislash. She also appears to be lacking a LOT of what made Aegislash so stupid (no priority moves, unless that new one at 56 is a Chaos priority move, no set-up moves, nowhere near as good defensive typing [fire weak, earth weak, double weakness to fighting], doesn't look to have anywhere near as good type coverage...)
Sorry, I just had horrible flashbacks about how insanely bullshit Gen 6 competitive was. We already have stuff like SukunaD running around that eat this thing for lunch, I just panicked and assumed the worst.
>>24917600
Wow, it's like a physical Regice minus all the weaknesses that made Regice completely useless.
i'd like to ask anyone knowledgable on the subject, how did youmu get affected?
From what i read earlier her extra is slow but bulky. But what about P and S youmu? were there any significant changes to those?
>>24917655
+5 BST to stuff that doesn't matter.
Speed Youmu got a 50 base power 2 hit 90% accuracy fighting move.
>>24917748
so Syoumu finally got something that could count as a 100 power? neat. or am i thinking about that wrong?
How does the expansion work? It installs to its own folder and only launches if you have the original game installed?
>>24917761
She already had Brandish, and Overskill/Furious Recitation for Focus moves which are at/above 100 base power.
>>24917786
yep
So I downloaded the pre patched ready to go english link in the op's message, but when I launch it says game data invalid, do I need the do the locale stuff or is it something else?
>>24917838
It requires jap locale. A bunch of people use an emulator, but I just set my system to the locale. Most that does is change the \ in file paths into the yen symbol.
Postgame warning: The AI has learned to actually switch.
As in "they will switch in something that resists or is immune to the attack you probably are launching at the opposing puppet".Also the E3 rematches are much nastier this time around, which is saying a lot. They START in the low 90s this time around, you can't gap back out once you start, and it culminates in a level 100 that has full EVs in every single stat.
You can't outlevel it anymore. Welcome to hell.
>>24917887
>>24917900
don't even fucking start with this shit
>>24917893
Yeah, remember how a level 100 PAya with Straw Doll could rip most of the E3 to pieces (you'd need a switch for Tenshi, and even Transcend Form wasn't quite guaranteed to 1-shot Kokoro) and still wrecked most of Shinki's team?
NOT ANYMORE
>>24917887
>>24917918
You can solo the entire original game with a starter Miko (going speed) without grinding the wild or using any items mid-battle. A difficulty boost is very welcome.
Speaking of which, how have Light and Sound's type matchups changed, if at all?
>>24917788
really now? i looked through her moves a while back, but S youmu didn't seem to have any. then again, that was before the wiki was as complete as it is.
>>24918021
oh, brandish and overskill both do recoil damage. That explains their high damage.
I wasn't aware of furious recitation though, i need to get that.
>>24918007
Light is untouched.
Sound is now weak to Electric but resistant to Nether. Offensively it now is SE against the new type. Overall buff I would say.
Worth noting that endgame is unbelievably lower in level than it was originally; Shinki's Shinki is an absolutely insane 17 levels lower (i.e. final boss's ace is very high by champion standards, but isn't "I am Red if he was the champion" territory)
And most of what postgame has been explored so far is much lower in level to boot (mid-high 60s, save for the Letty fight (and even THAT is 20 levels lower than it was originally) and a fight against alevel 99 LilyAs previously mentioned, E3 rematches are even harder than in the original game.The level 99 Lily is wild.
>>24918042
Finally, something worth using a Fate thread on!
>>24918044You can't catch it even with a Fate thread for some reason. Guessing it's too springy to be contained?
>>24918042
Can you refight the Lily? Some higher level wild puppets would be really nice for grinding levels.
>>24918052
No it's a 1-shot.
Also it's normal style, 80 cost, and wild; even being 99 means it won't be that good for exp anyways.
Also Raiko fight in postgame confirmed, I can't wait to lose to her.
So, is there any new battle music in the expansion?
After all the times I've been tricked by Hobgoblin Nue post-game, I'm now grateful for team preview and that Zoroark is shit.
So what all do I need to do for the expansion?
Fighting Reimu on the moutain and it seem like her Suika puppet always take exactly half damage from my attacks. I look on the wikia and it doesn't seem to be an ability so I can only guess it is an item. What exactly is it and how can I overcome it?
>>24918188
grind more so you can deal more damage
>>24918188
If you're using spread attacks it may be Silver Hairpin, although that wouldn't quite half your damage.
Is there a proper installer for the original game floating around? The patched version from the OP doesn't seem to enable the expansion.
>>24918227
You can play the expansion using the original but you have to fiddle around and make a couple ini files to point it to the right place. There's a guide to do so linked earlier in the thread.
A lot of the extra styles seem to be bulky.
Extra Marisa is easily her bulkiest form for example sitting at
Chaos/Nature
100/50/90/140/90/55
>Extra Kanako
>100/100/80/75/130/95
>Wind/Fighting
>Metallurgy
Unless that last ability is really good or her level up moves are that good, RIP my hopes and dreams.
Has the new art been ripped out yet?
So what are stats for ESariel?
Has Letty Red being upgrade? she has now a rematch with everything at level 100?
>>24918042
So many upgrades, i guess it was the correct deccision to wait until the expansion is translated before playing the game.
>>24918333
Extra Sariel
Light/Nether
見極め or Sinister Spirit
90/70/110/120/80/110
>>24918381
>Light/Nether
Shit offensively, but that's a pretty amazing defensive typing with nice natural bulk. Good thing Dark-types are non-existent, all you need to do is watch out for Changeling, or Changeling out yourself before they can, since she has 110 Speed.
>>24918392
A recurring theme in the new puppets seem to be bulky attackers.
There's a few fast ones from what I've seen like Extra Reimu and Futo.
>>24917887
>Can't gap back
There'll be better places to grind, right?
How is Extra Elis like?
Extra Komachi has drunkard with 525 BP. Am I missing something or does she suck?
>>24918492
>drunkard
Well, she has canon big boobs after all, they have to get big from something.
>>24918492
She has another ability in the puppet list though.
>>24918535
>has another ability
>in a game where you can freely choose your mon ability (unless is the only one)
BULLSHIT, the point of abilities like drukard is cripple OP mons, why they would give t to her if you can freely change it?
>>24918535
Yeah, but it's in japanese, I assumed it'd be something like no ability because who'd give drunkard and the option to pick something else? Unless it's also something negative, in which case congrats to them for having this idea.
>>24918527
Probably just being about her lazying around but didn't want to make a new ability just for that.
>>24918535
I really want to know some of these abilities. Especially 西方の地脈, I have no idea what it is.
>>24918541
|name=Extra Komachi
|jname=こまち
|imagename=Komachi
|typen=2
|type1=Water
|type2=Chaos
|dexnum=275
|cost=110
|abilityn=2
|ability1=[[フラットスピード]]
|ability2=[[Drunkard]]
|lv100exp=1,070,000
|style1=[[Normal Komachi]]
|style2=[[Assist Komachi]]
|style3=[[Power Komachi]]
|lowdrops=80% Copper Coin, 20% Magical Fragment
|highdrops=80% Copper Coin, 20% Magical Fragment
}}
{| border="0"
|-
| colspan="2" |
{| class="wikitable" border="1" cellpadding="2" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 556px;"
|-
! scope="row" style="width: 54px;" | Dex Entry
| 小野塚小町の力を持つ人形。距離を操る程度の能力を持つ。何があってもマイペースに行動する。三途の川や その辺の道の距離を操っている。
|}
|-
| colspan="2" |
{| class="wikitable" border="1" cellpadding="2" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 556px;"
|-
! scope="col" style="width: 79px;" | HP
! scope="col" style="width: 79px;" | Fo.Att.
! scope="col" style="width: 79px;" | Fo.Def.
! scope="col" style="width: 79px;" | Sp.Att.
! scope="col" style="width: 79px;" | Sp.Def.
! scope="col" style="width: 79px;" | Speed
! scope="col" style="width: 82px;" | Total
|-
| style="text-align: center;" | 110
| style="text-align: center;" | 50
| style="text-align: center;" | 90
| style="text-align: center;" | 110
| style="text-align: center;" | 70
| style="text-align: center;" | 95
| style="text-align: center;" | 525
Man, when is the version of this expansion that has all this installation bullshit already done gonna be released
>>24918566
>フラットスピード
The internet translated it as flat speed for me.
>>24918566
>2 abilities
>one is useless shit nobody would have if they had the option
>and here they have the option
I don't undertand
>>24918579
Flat Speed sounds like its going to be a negative ability.
>>24918584
Well, it has to be extremely awful to be worse than losing every other turn.
>>24918584
>>24918588
Maybe it equalizes the enemy's speed to your own, so every turn is a flip of the coin speed tie, even against scarfed (belted in this game) puppets and such.
>>24918592
That makes sense with Komachi's "control the distance" ability and sounds useful compared to drunkard.
Who would win in a fist fight
>>24918631
Clownpiece because lunarian scum is so fucking afraid of "impurity" that he wont even touch her.
>>24918631
>>24918600
You know, I've always wondered who would win in a tussle-up between Dio, Alucard, and Remilia or Flandre.
>>24918042
>Most fights are lower level
Well that's the exact opposite of what I wanted, it was already so easy to unintentionally end up shitstomping everything in the base game.
Of course there could be other changes to warrant that kind of thing though, anyone here playing through it care to comment on how challenging it's been so far?
>>24918639
Moonman isn't afraid of getting stained with sublunarian blood though
>Power Shou got 145 Sp.att
Wow, I love it.
>>24918668
Yeah, the issue is that their weapons are designed to burn away impurity.
Clownpiece and her minions were completely immune to said weapons, proving yet again that Lunarians are inferior to the "impure" human scum.
This is why the Moon landings of 1969 had everyone come back alive: Because humanity > moon assholes.
>>24918955
But its a fist fight
Any info on Shingyoku? Did it got buffed? What about Extra?
>>24919063
>Assist
Void
85/50/75/90/170/45
>Defense
Void
85/90/170/50/75/45
>Extra
Chaos
Dark Night Form/After Move
125/60/70/100/90/70
Fun fact: SuwakoD doesn't learn the game's equivalent to Substitute.
>>24916907
Also fun fact: We now know what KogasaE's other ability is.
1.5x boost to ATK while Genbu is up.
SURPRISE
>>24919170
Have you guys found out what Komachi's other ability is?
>>24919170
Walls, weathers and terrains for days on all these extra styles.
The meta sure isn't looking to stay the same at this rate.
>>24919170
A recurring theme with the extra styles is that almost everyone decided to become a wall or a spread attacker.
Extra Reimu
Wind/Chaos
Mind's Eye/怪天虹
85/110/70/80/65/125
I think people will probably end up using this one over P Reimu but I doubt it can top D Reimu in usage.
By the way guys, we all know the entry animations change for each type.
Has anyone seen the ones for chaos and dream?
>>24919184
Basically the extra style completely changes how the base puppet works.
So Raiko went from a bulky but slow(ish in A) pivot in her P and A stances to out-and-out wall in her E stance with good speed but unusably bad offenses for instance.
Rika went from glass cannon with poor speed to Aegislash. Sukuna went from slow focus killing machine to a glass cannon. Marisa went from blazing fast sweeper to slow and bulky. ShinkiE finally focuses enough in stats to really take advantage of her BST 600 and gets no weaknesses, but has no usable STAB or any resistances to compensate.
And the typing is usually changed at least somewhat, if not entirely.
>>24919235
Futo went from a frail sweeper to another frail sweeper though.
>>24919248
Even then she's focused on focus rather than spread, and her typing is drastically different from her previous forms (Nether/Fighting)
>>24919257
Yeah, the only Extra so far that's close to the normal forms is probably Mokou.
I have a question.
How does the expansion works?
It`s like a patch or an entire new game? Can we transfer the puppets we already have in the fan-translated version to the fan-translated expansion once we get it?
So, i guess that like the vanilla game last year, touhoumon completely sold out in matter of hours at the comiket?
>>24918640
Depends on what part of the story Alucard's at.
>>24918640
>Implying they would fight.
Apparently when you fight Satori she uses your exact team, levels and all.
>>24919390
Ready up those six level 1 Renko teams.
>>24919390
Lead with a newly caught route 1 trash puppet, get your own puppet killed, send in another puppet and set up sounds like a fun strategy.
>>24919390
>6 suicidal Yoshikas with Nature barrier
>>24919390
What about Koshi? you can fight her after she literally sleeps with you?
>>24919436
Who?
>>24919087
What do its new abilities do?
>>24919479
Dark Night Form turns void attacks into dark attacks and deals 30% more damage, After Move makes all your attacks do 30% more damage if you attack after the enemy.
Where ard people finding all the new stats and stuff?
What's KokoroE's other ability? It's untranslated.
|ability1=[[Expert Body]]
|ability2=[[喪心舞]]
Oh god. Waifu bias CONFIRMED.
HecatiaE
Ability is "3 Forms, 1 Body", which works similarly to Aegislash's Stance Change except she has 3 forms: she has 1 form for focus, one form for spread, and one form for status, which she'll switch to when she uses that particular type of move. All of them are BST 590 and are completely different types.
The status form (her "base" one) is Nether/Chaos type.
60/85/150/85/150/60
The focus one is Earth/Nature type
60/150/140/60/10/100
The spread one is Light/Dark type
60/60/10/150/140/100
Levelup pool:
Yin Energy
Favorable Wind
Roar
Bellow
[New Move]
Doppelganger
Stone Heart
Invisible Heart
Retaliation
Sun's Protection
Black Hole
Stone Spike
Eye of Laplace
Tumble Plant
Star Flare
Moonbow
Peach Arrow Bow
Dark PreformanceShe's an Aegislash that changes types, isn't entirely glass when on the offensive on one side (although the other is worse than Deoxys-A), and when on the offensive is base 100 speed.
It's a more overpowered Aegislash, and I just finished getting over the horrible flashbacks that RikaE gave me. HEMO GODDAMNIT
>>24919489
Ah fuck I thought it was Chaos/Dark. That's a pretty long name for an ability. Ehh I guess it could be better but I'll take it, Darkilate might be cool if it helps a lot with its new typing, what's Chaos' type chart?
>>24919508
Aren't both offense forms weak to the opposing attack type though?
>>24919508
I thought Clownpiece was waifu. What are her stats?
>>24919519
I mentioned that; 60/10 on the other attack type is worse than DeoxysA in that regard, which considering DeoxysA is so fragile that it runs -Special Defense natures on account of -Defense natures leaving it open to being 1-shot by the BP20 Rapid Spin...
Do remember that Protect is a status move.
Is chaos the only new type? How good is it?
>>24919508
At least she's weak to Fighting in both her Focus and Spread forms, but she's scarily fast for those defensive stats.
HEMOOOOOO!
>>24919471
You know who! her name is......eh?
>>24919508
THE MADMAN! HE DID IT!
>>24919471
Green flandre
>>24919508
And resistances/weaknesses/immunities for each form.
Status form (Chaos/Nether) is immune to fighting and wind, resists Steel, Illusion, and Chaos, and is weak to Light, Dark, and Sound.
Focus (Earth/Nature) is immune to electric, resistant to earth and light, and weak to steel and fighting.
Spread (Light/Dark) has no immunities, has double-resistance to void, resists electric, sound, and nether, and is weak to steel and fighting.
Note how every weakness that one of her forms has is covered by another except for Dark.
>>24919553
#BANHECATIAE
>>24919559
>>24919559
Oh, and Status is also weak to Nether.
Note how the weaknesses for Focus and Spread are the same and how Status has resistance/immunity to said weaknesses.
>>24919508
Just going to say this.
People liked viewing Aegislash thanks to the way it worked as effectively a 60/150/150/150/60 Pokemon, which in BST terms ties it with fucking Arceus.
By that logic, HecatiaE would still be 60/150/150/150/150/60, but with the option of becoming 60/150/140/60/10/100 or 60/60/10/150/140/100, and with completely different types for each one. Also it has 4 STABs to fuck things over with.
It's Aegislash crossed with Deoxys. In actual Pokemon, that would be banned to Ubers in a heartbeat.Or maybe FROM Ubers
>>24919508
I told you he will do that. Bow to your queen faggots.
