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Welcome to the Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread. Talk about new episodes, old episodes, upcoming episodes, anime Pokégirls, sub releases, discuss, speculate, bitch and moan, etc., etc.
>NOT-SHIT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/#PocketMonstersXYSubbed
>Citronic Gear On's music rips:
http://pastebin.com/C2gkFb0g
>New Year Special/Pokémon XY&Z upcoming events trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm6Vpv6Wugo [Embed]
>Movie 19: Pokémon the Movie XY&Z 2016 [Jul 16th]
http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/
>Hoopa manga scanlation project
http://pastebin.com/rZCknkqp
Next episode:
>XY&Z09: Terminus Cave! The Mystery of Z is Set in Motion!! [Dec 24th]
Upcoming episodes:
>Uncover All Mysteries! The Pocket Monsters XY&Z Complete Overview Special!! [Dec 31st]
>Break [Jan 7th]
Shit people will ask:
>Is this season good? I haven't watched the anime in [x] years and-
Yes, it's fucking good, just start watching it already.
>Will Serena win da Ash?
Ask Bonnie about it.
>Muh subs when?
[PM] is subbing XY, but their releases can happen any time of the week.
>Muh dubs when?
December 19th, All Eyes on the Future!
Old thread:
>>24846780
XY&Z06 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_006_Welcome_to_the_Ninja_Village!_The_Legend_of_the_Hero_Gekkouga!![H264_720P][D165BFD7].mkv.torrent
XY&Z07 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=764656
XY&Z08 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=766744
NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS XY&Z09: TERMINUS CAVE! THE MYSTERY OF Z IS SET IN MOTION!! (DECEMBER 24TH)
>Squishy disappears in Terminus Cave! Satoshi and his friends chase after it, but then the Flare Gang show up to battle them!
>Also, there will be extravagant giveaways at the end of the episode!
>Summary:
>Satoshi and his friends decide to stop by "Terminus Cave". However, as they enter the cave, Squishy runs off for somewhere! The group hurries after it, and eventually find it deep in the cave, but then Squishy suddenly ends up disappearing! And then the Flare Gang show up...!
>Voice Cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Mayuki Makiguchi: Serena
>Yuki Kaji: Citron
>Mariya Ise: Eureka
>Megumi Sato: Dedenne
>Megumi Hayashibara: Musashi
>Shinichiro Miki: Kojiro
>Inuko Inuyama: Nyarth
>Yuji Ueda: Sonansu
>Hideaki Tezuka: Fleur-de-lis
>Tsuguo Mogami: Xerosicy
>Akane Fujita: Bara
>Rinko Natsuhi: Akebi
>Karin Nanami: Correa
>Sayuri Hara: Momiji
>Yuka Terasaki: Onbat
>Kensuke Sato: Rentorar
>Miyako Ito: Pumpjin
>Kenta Miyake: Livolt
>Noriko Shitaya: Yancham
>Hitomi Nabatame: Harimaron
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration
UPCOMING SHIT:
POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 12 (Dec 20th)
>Everyone Celebrates Rinka-chan's 16th Birthday, with 16 Pikachu, Pokémon Manzai Comedy, etc. / Battle: Hyadain VS a Television Viewer!
Uncover All Mysteries! The Pocket Monsters XY&Z Complete Overview Special!! (Dec 31st)
>A two hour special will be shown on New Year's Eve, Thursday December 31st! It's called the "Uncover All Mysteries! The Pocket Monsters XY&Z Complete Overview Special!!"
>Part 1: 6am-7am:
>We will show a double feature consisting of the Pocket Monsters XY special "The Strongest Mega Evolution Act IV", which holds the key to the new series, as well as episode 1 of "Pocket Monsters XY&Z", where all the mysteries begin!
>Part 2: 7am-7:55am:
>We will spend an hour looking back at the adventures that have take place in Pocket Monsters XY&Z so far, attempting to fully understand all the mysteries!
>What is the secret the never-before-seen legendary Pokémon Zygarde hides!?
>What is the mysterious phenomenon that only happens with Ash's Greninja!?
>What are the goals of Alan and the mysterious organization Team Flare, who stand in Ash and his friends' way!?
>If you watch this special, you'll get a through understanding of the highlights of the new series!
>As a special bonus, we'll also present upcoming developments of interest!
>Ash and Alan finally clash!!
>The evil organization Team Flare VS Team Rocket!!
>And Serena's Tripokalons!
>"Pocket Monsters XY&Z" will be filled with excitement next year as well!
>Don't miss Ash and friends' super thrilling adventures!
XY&Z - Satoshi (CV:Rica Matsumoto)
>HYPE!
http://www92.zippyshare.com/v/1gD8HDYz/file.html
Ash be like, "Mmm, Hawlucha. You know I love it when you eat my asshole."
>there are people itt right now who think Ash will get Charizard Y
>>24849090
>[Embed]
thread confirmed made by phonefag shitposting
report and ignore
>>24849123
Does it trigger anyone else that Serena's dress shows her bear shoulders with no bra straps? This is too lewd for a kids show.
>>24849152
Most fancy dresses come with built in bras.
>>24849124
Underrated post.
>>24849131
A mega Charizard Y and an Ashninja who is also at mega level.
Who is ready for some geekchic next week when Bonnie and Ash separate from Clemont and Serena!
>>24849177
Bonnie + Ash = best ship
Korrina cameo when?
>>24849190
Hopefully soon, it's time for the best XY girl to return.
>>24849177
They don't separate.
>>24849131
>there are people who think Ash would get a mega
delusional
>>24849200
but they do anon. Ash and Bonnie go after puni chan while Serena and Clemont tag team some flare members as always. Showing their synchronization and battling more than Ash and Serena.
>>24849131
If someone is getting zard Y i have the feeling it might be alain once he gets cured from the edginess
>>24849210
But they don't and instead are off-screen.
>>24849201
Dem spats
>>24849225
you know its always like that retard. Ash runs off to the main plot and Serena and Clemont team up to clean whats behind.
>>24849231
what about them?
>>24849239
The everything
>>24849235
Except it's not always like that retard especially when the only one that separates is puni-chan and Serena and Clemont don't even team up properly.
Bet the same person replying to all the b8 like retard made this thread.
>>24849248
but it is. watch the show once in a while and you'll see how much more often Serena and Clemont battle together than Ash and Serena in 99 episodes.
Master Post:
XY007: Serena is beta
XY013: Serena is beta
XY025: Serena is beta
XY026: Serena is beta
XY031: Serena is beta
XY040: Serena is beta
XY053: Serena is beta
XY059: Serena is beta
XY080: Serena is beta
XY084: Serena is beta
XY090: Serena is beta
On Serena's side of things there's no "being more open".
"Worried waifu" scenes don't mean much. Even Iris got a focus scene of worry for Ash in Episode N where she screamed his name out in distress.
Serena did not admit to wanting Ash in XY80. Her saying "I won't lose" does not imply "I want Ash to be mine."
For every 10 Serena hints you may get ONE thing from Ash and even that is questionable.
>>24849260
as long as it bring positive vibes for her XYZ appearance.
>>24849264
>Even Iris got a focus scene of worry for Ash in Episode N where she screamed his name out in distress.
Wait, what!?
>>24849264
You don't watch the show and you still are thinking that your opinion is important
Best Korrina picture
>>>/qa/377677
>>24849273
When Ash fell down a pit with N, Iris attempted to jump down but she was stopped by Juniper's father. She then looked down the hole, closed her eyes and screamed his name in distress.
>>24849288
I have seen better
>>24849288
You're right, just look at that cute and confident face.
saved
>>24849270
>Valerie
>Better than Dawn and Bonnie
Excuse me while I vomit.
>>24849323
>>24849327
Your vomit pleases me
>>24849324
Other girls have done it before. Serena isn't special. Her worry for him doesn't indicate love. If it did, we could say Dawn trying to run and help Ash from getting roasted by blaze Chimchar with Brock stopping her means Dawn loves Ash.
>>24849355
Welp, to shippers it does.
>>24849264
>literally wrong info and distorting info everywhere
>>24849297
>>24849324
one time vs Serena's constant?
>>24849375
>responding
are you retarded op?
>>24849324
>We will never gonna see Serena like this
Why live
>>24849375
How is it wrong info? Go back and watch the sub of The White Ruins! Satoshi VS N!!, and the episode where Ash battled Paul where Blaze first triggered. Both Iris and Dawn got focused worried scenes for Ash.
>>24849355
>one time with other girls vs Serena's constant
Go to sleep. You clearly know it's indicating love from Serena.
>>24849399
>Go to sleep.
Okay.
>>24849388
>if it repeats itself it means its love
why are shippers so fucking autistic? I've seen dumbshits even complaining about porn over this stupidity.
canon short hair korrina when?
Why are you retards getting mad about Pokéshipping. We all know Satoshi's only love is for the Pokémon Master title, which will never reciprocate his feelings on orders from Nintendo.
>>24849420
Its been a while that i have browsed these threads, was gonna ask regarding any new anime info, but i think its time to leave again
>>24849420
It's a known fact that Serena does love Ash. But the worry part doesn't indicate love. Only the spaghetti scenes do, which is always the same and never progressing.
>>24849420
It isn't because it repeats itself. If you're trying to shitpost this badly even you can't be that blind?
>stalebaiter
>Korrinashitter spamming the thread
What did we do to get this
>>24849438
>But the worry part doesn't indicate love. Only the spaghetti scenes do, which is always the same and never progressing.
Think you can imply any harder?
>>24849437
>post in /padt/
>expects anything good
SUMMON TAILSPAMMER
>>24849437
Just wait it out.
>>24849447
>acknowledges that is shitposting
>still replies to it
retard
>>24849483
Why is her top way too grey?
>>24849488
its all the sweat from her exercising.
>you will never taste her armpit
What you do with trainwrecks like these is just turn around and walk away.
Who are the other game characters that you want to see but have yet to make their appearance in the show?
I personally am still holding out for these two to appear and be supporting charactersand also Alain's target for disdainin the Flare arc.
>>24849457
There's nothing but the facts. And the facts are it's stagnated. Pic related.
>>24849483
She is a very sweaty girl. And I unapologetically fap to her sweat stinky spats.
>>24849488
obviously just another color
sometimes it feels like you would need to go as far as posting post illegal stuff to get the mods attention
>>24849503
Zinnia
>>24849526
go on...
>>24849504
she is in lovewith skating
>>24849526
Look at dem legs
>>24849555
protect and provide for it.
>>24849505
You haven't posted any facts. You never post facts.
>>24849565
>>24849586
food, shelter, dick. the essential.
>image.jpg
>>24849570
Who gives a shit?
enjoy the ride while it lasts
>>24849603
there is no need to be upset.
>>24849527
>implying any of those badges mean shit
>implying any Kanto badge is worth anything if it ain't from Post DP Pewter
So how would it lead into Alain teaching his Charizard ThunderPunch?
>>24849617
How would what lead into?
>>24849570
Is Serena closer to confessing than she was back in XY40?
>>24849624
>Is Serena closer to confessing than she was back in XY40
>>24849622
Where Alain got the seemingly convenient idea of getting Thunderpunch for his Charizard.
>yfw he was watching Ash and Greninja all along!
>>24849633
Just 2 years more
>>24849633
You're right the answer is no.
XY80 was not her admitting she wanted Ash. Serena would never admit it.
>thread is literally 35% Korinna spammer
looks like the kid is out for the weekend
>>24849640
Probably read it in a competitive pokemon battling magazine.
>>24849645
2 more years of what delusion or shitposting?
>>24849647
I'm curious, where do this came from?
>>24849640
he wants revenge against siebold
>>24849652
I rather prefer to have korrina spam than gore/slate/scat spam
>>24849664
>yfw he now wants to fight all the elite four and maybe even Diantha after defeating Malva
>yfw he starts with Seibold but stops after being ordered by Lysandre to get Ash
>>24849667
its all done by the same guy
>Alan gets best ending
>Ash gets nothing
>yfw
>>24849667
At least this is the kind of spam that doesn't get replies.
>>24849504
>Long blonde hair.
>Pale skin.
>Has hobbies related to fitness.
Truly near perfect.
did you seriously make a new thread because you can't handle the bantz?
>>24849674
I don't mind korrina at all
>>24849683
No wonder why they were way too shocked
TIERNO= SETH ROLLINS(A+PLAYER)
ASH= ROMAN REIGNS(BORING SHITSKIN WHO ALWAYS WINS)
CLEMONT= DEAN AMBROSE(REDDIT)
>>24849699
>I don't mind korrina at all
https://dreamscopeapp.com/editor
we're all gonna die
>>24849721
eventually
>over half the image limit already
>>24849624
>>24849646
So you're not actually posting facts and you're disregarding other important stuff. Good to know.
Star Wars is still fucking amazing
Pearl is best pair.
>>24849760
fight me nerds
>this thread and the previous one
It's like I'm watching everyone getting infected with AIDS, I'm outta here
>>24849748
One day the universe will collapse and destroy any trace of Korrina ever existing.
But the universe will be reborn, and in this incarnation Korrina will be born, and you'll be naught but a fictional character in her favorite TV show.
And she'll wonder if you'll last forever, even after she's gone.
http://strawpoll.me/6305201
>>24849779
>no korrinafags
>>24849754
>>24849769
But, what would Serena do with an Ash puppet?
>>24849779
>no guy who replies to bait option
>>24849787
Korrinafags couldn't made it in the last strawpoll to choose the 5 contenders for the award.
>>24849810
Because she's literally Bonnie.
>>24849689
Plus korrina is one of my favorites (I know she wasn't that great on the anime, but still)
Anyways, who is hyped for next week?
I just wanna see more of the TF scientists
>>24849842
Well, you're getting one in the next episode,with ceiling stone edges.
>>24849842
You seem too new to be familiar with this type of spam.
>>24849640
>Where Alain got the seemingly convenient idea of getting Thunderpunch for his Charizard.
Steel Wing sucked balls anyway and is probably what got replaced. He probably wanted a move that's SE against Water types because he learned his lesson from Siebold.
On a more meta reason, maybe they gave his moveset an overhaul and wanted to give Charizard an attack that uses its fists? They chose Dragon Claw, Flamethrower, Steel Wing and Blast burn because they looked visually different from one another. It's like how BW Ash had Slash, Wing Attack, Flamethrower and Dragon Tail since those attacks all use different body parts and look different from one another.
SoAsh-Greninjafor Pokken when?
>yfwthe player's avatar is forced to look like Ash before being able to utilize it
>>24849820
That's insulting, she is better than Bonnie.
>>24849853
If that bothers you so much then just hide and ignore
>>24849857
Thunder Punch Ora Ora.
If you can''t beat em join em
>>24849868
I want to fuck Ellena so bad..
>>24849893
>has Mega Sceptile in that battle
>is freaked out and even sweating
>Ash Greninja is in control of his power
>>24849887
Serena pls
>>24849916
>implying that was Serena
>>24849090
Holy shit, I might be late to the party but when frogadier was using the final water pulse against olympia, there's a translucent image of the ash-greninja behind him.
>>24849131
why wouldn't the star of the anime get a Mega?
he's getting one and there's nothing you can do about it. Only real question is which Mega is he getting?
>>24849926
Future Sight.
>>24849922
>not knowing that serena discovered the power of the pussy at xy64
Shit, GamblerClub has another PM Gals coming out 12/29. This time with Iris.
>>24849942
>implying she discovered it that late
>implying it didn't get cancelled out by the power of Satoshi
>>24849123
What's her feet smell?
>>24849961
SO HE ALREADY SAW HIS GAY FROG CURB STOMPED BY TIERNO BRELOOM?
>>24849980
>Implying it won't gonna be stomped by M-Fug on the league
>>24849995
fug
>>24849980
Tierno gets shat on by Noivern.
>>24850012
>NOISHIT BEING USEFUL
>NOISHIT BEATING ANYONE BESIDE TR
>NOISHIT DOING DAMAGE ON TIERNO'S POKEMON
YOU AMOURFAGS NEVER GET TIRED OF YOUR SHITPOSTING, DON'T YOU?
>>24850075
>>24850044
>posting worst pokegirl Corni
>;^)
Is this thread safe?
PUNI PUNI
>>24850215
Safe for what? I don't know why everyone left, there is no reason to stop talking about stuff.
>>24850218
>based director didn't update the ED with Mariya Ise's voice
>>24850238
That's actually Mariya Ise's voice all along, anon.
>>24850244
You don't even have to be an Amourshipper to know that, Serena is rated lower than Korrina after she got short hair. When Serena has long hair she they're about the same level.
>>24850245
It sounds too lewd to be her, especially when she talks to puni-chan
>>24850265
It is her, it is in the credits.
I miss Brock.
>>24850274
He will return at the rumble
>>24850274
What do you miss about him? I'm glad he is gone, the first two seasons was already enough.
>all this shitposting
>>24850305
>>24850305
>aryan girl touching a black guy
why is this allowed?
>>24850305
As long as it isn't focused too much around Lucario I think Korrina would be a nice addition to the team. Korrina, long hair Serena and Ash.
>>24850312
Take your forced gay bond and leave this thread please.
>>24850316
It isn't, thankfully Ash is Asian so they should be allowed to interact.
>245 posts
>140 images
sasuga cornifag
Why so much poopcommenting?
Thread ends with OP
Thread ends with Luffy
If you got lost, the old thread is the actual thread.
You should know where to find it.
>>24850600
That one's being shitposted by stale.
If anything, this thread would be the logical safe haven due to it being impossible to picdump here now.
I hope the price on hotpockets triples
what do you guys think about the force awakens?
>>24851037
6/10 at best.
>>24851037
Eh. Could be shit tier like the second prequel movie. Indifferent.
>>24851037
it was gr8
>>24851037
I love Star Wars, but I didn't like it. Kind of spoilers don't hover if you don't want to see:Rey ruined the movie for me by being a giant Mary Sue, the plot was A New Hope 2.0 and the twist/climax was handled very poorly especially since you could see it coming a mile away.6.5/10 because it did have some good moments.
is anyone still here what do you think about the upcoming XYZ10 and XYZ11?
>korrinafags in one thread
>valeriefags in the other
I'm gonna need two guns for this one.
>>24851381
hype hype hype
>>24851384
Stay here if you want, the inability to post pictures will at least prevent shitposting.
>>24851381
We haven't even gotten the episode titles yet, was that preview with Greninja Vs Sceptile/MegaZardX for 10/11? If so sure, but until we get new titles its hard to get super pumped.
>>24851432
>XY&Z10: Bonnie and Squishy! (Jan 14th)
>Bonnie is worried about both "it" and the fact that Bunnelby has been injured... what will she do?
>XY&Z11: Noibat and Floette! An Encounter in the Wind!! (Jan 21st)
>Noibat has ended up angering a Breloom. A passing Floette comes to the rescue, but...
>>24851454
Group separation?
The mods are gonna delete all of those no word picture posts, right?
>>24851454
>the fact that Bunnelby has been injured
Poor thing it just can't catch a break
So which one of you guys is going to buy Hoopa and rip it for us?
>>24851700
Nobody
>>24851037
>>24851097
>>24851150
>>24851215
>>24851284
You laughed at us.
How ironic, now, JJ Abrams, you have him. For years.
Wait what's going on why are there like 6 threads
>>24850033
Fuck off Tierno. Even Majin Buu could crush you in a Pokemon battle
Dear anons, please answer this carefully...
Which phrase has more substance shipping-wise? Serena's "I won't lose" from XY080 or Misty's "That boy is my burden" from movie 2000??
>>24853588
>Misty's "That boy is my burden" from movie 2000??
This one, the one from Serena sounds like it has nothing to do with shipping.
only people in their 20s know who misty is lol
>>24853572
Wouldn't Majin Buu just turn Tierno into candy and eat him?
>>24854419
That's the other option... Even Yajirobe would crush Tierno in a flash.
>>24853588
>>24853618
Gee, good job including context on everything.
>>24849131
Charizard X needs more love.
>there are pokemon dubs worse than the english one
>>24849131
>there are people who think Alain will get Mega Charizard Y
I just got here. Was there a discussion thread for "Hoopa and the Clash of Ages" while it was being shown on Cartoon Network USA three hours ago?
>>24849395
Heck, we hardly ever see Bonnie like this, which is such a waste of spandex.
>>24855290
Sorry.
>>24852696
Hikari dub voice makes me sick
>watch Hoopa movie dubbed instead of subbed even though /padt/ warned me countless times not to
>it was fuckin trash
>now I ruined my first impression of the movie and not even the sub can fix it even if I did watch it
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>24853588
With the context, Serena's less romantic because it makes her just a girl fighting over a boy.
>>24855329
>past bump limit
You lost. this thread wins
>>24849505
What was she meant to do in that situation? Admit to liking him in front of everyone? Have you ever asked someone out in a group situation like that, no because it would be weird to not do it one on one and a helluva lot less embaressing if you get rejected.
>>24853588
Serena is still fighting, but Misty has already won.
>>24855332
This thread has had 20 posts during the last 14 hours, anon. It was dead until a recent bump, most people don't even know it's here.
I TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR!!!
BUT IN THE END, IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER!!!
ONETHING
IDON'TKNOWWHY
IDOESN'TEVENMATTERHOWHARDITRY
Is here the gif of Nene shaking her ass?
>>24855346
Serena isn't fighting. She's just being beta and not making moves to win Ash.
>>24855346
Misty won Tracy.
>>24855447
That's gotten Ash's attention more than Macy and her not being beta did.
>>24855458
The ship can't go anywhere if Serena is beta and Ash is oblivious. Serena's reaction to people mentioning her feelings for Ash is the same everytime.
>>24855486
Serena tickles Ash funny. That's already moving the ship along.
Interesting.
Why the hell is anyone talking about progress, bonds and chemistry anyway when none of that exists in amour anyway to begin with.
>>24855501
Why the hell are you talking out your ass.
>>24855508
Ash's bond focus with Dawn > Ash's focus with Serena.
>>24855546
nah
>>24855638
Yeah, Ash/Serena is a pretty one-sided shallow relationship.
If ash wins against the justin bieber dude with charizard x, i will never ever wtach this shit again, he won against 2902820976 mega evolution + elite 4 in 1 run, ash is just a retarded fuckign shithead with a ugly naruto frog.
>>24855739
not one sided and not shallow
>>24854419
If a faggot like Vegetto kicked his ass while being a candy, wahy not Tierno?
>>24854431
Tierno sweeps Vados
>>24855759
>shota gets beaten by frog, gives ash a spare sceptilite
>flare arc leads ash to get char y vs char x
>mega training arc with korrina and gurkinn, gets heracronite
>same arc, clemont inherits limone's ampharos with ampharosite
>returns to kanto, gets pidgeot back and pidgeotite from gary
>>24855780
you would have to have never seen or read any kind of romantic plot to think it isn't.
>>24855759
XY Ash is John Cena, so he is going to win with an asspull, DEM, and shitty faggottery with the "bond" he has with the gay frog.
>>24855787
no but even you know that doesn't describe it
>>24855804
it does.
if you don't have a point of reference then you're in no position to dispute it.
>>24855825
point of reference of what other than serena liking ash and ash showing interest
>>24855838
ash doesn't show any interest, he just makes occasional friendly gestures that MAY be hints at interest, but they're way to vague to tell, it's pure speculation and wishful thinking. the last official source we had said "serena > ash: love?" and "ash > serena: friend." nothing has changed in how they interact since then.
it's shallow because it's nothing but serena being beta and ash being clueless. you don't see ash slowly getting attached to serena, wanting to do things with her, talk to her more, and you don't see serena opening up to ash more. it's shallow shipbait for a kid's show, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that, but don't exaggerate it to be more than it is.
>>24855868
DON'T BE TOO MEAN WITH THEM HAHAHAHA
AMOURFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
Amour in a nutshell
>>24855873
don't be that faggot.
amour isn't dead, it's just in limbo. i'm not saying people should abandon amour, i'm saying they shouldn't be satisfied with what we've seen so far, because it's basically nothing.
>>24855868
your talking about a source that happened 2 years before the whole story happened and interest not being that he invites someone along which is really more than anyone else can even claim
you say we dont see ash getting more attached to serena when he does things he normally wouldnt even do with serena
i didnt say its the best story but calling it that doesnt describe it either
>>24855825
>>24855868
>>24855873
>>24855881
>>24855884
You're all being that faggot. Yes,
>>24855780
>>24855804
>>24855838
>>24855899
that chucklefuck as well for even replying to bait.
Ash's best team vs the elite 4, who would win?
and why is it ash?
>>24855899
you said you've never even seen another romance subplot, so again, you don't have a point of reference. inscrutable "hints" and spaghetti don't amount to an interesting, substantial romance, they amount to shallow shipbaiting.
>>24855961
i never said that and i never implied it
>>24855978
>>24855804
>no but even you know that doesn't describe it
i told you why it's shallow. ash isn't showing gradual attraction to serena, and serena isn't taking steps to get closer to ash. they are still right where they started since he invited her to the group.
>>24855991
that no was for saying that no i have seen any other romance
ash has shown a small gradual attraction towards serena and serena even though she hasnt confessed she herself shows herself to be more open with ash
>>24856008
cite specific examples
>>24855961
>>24855978
>>24855991
>>24856008
>>24856018
All this samefagging
>>24856018
ash inviting her the talk he had with her at camp the present and the sudden compliment
>>24855787
>>24855825
>>24855868
>>24855884
>>24855961
>>24855991
>>24856018
Oh hey, it's the stealth Pearlfag that's so assmad he tries joining stalebaiter.
>>24856045
"gradual" implies progress. i said they made no progress since he invited her. he compliments clemont too, and had a similar talk with him early on. doesn't mean he's attracted to him. that's my point about these "hints" being way too vague to be considered progress.
also you didn't give any "shows herself to be more open with ash"
>>24856055
>mass quoting repeatedly
>calling me assmad
i'm sorry, are you upset that you can't actually contribute anything to the conversation?
i don't ship ash and dawn, i just said their interpersonal relationship was more developed than ash and serena, which is sad because i want to ship the latter.
>>24856063
the sudden compliment had nothing to do with anything and he compliments her looks the talk he had with clemont wasnt anything to him talking about himself in private with serena
clemont didnt have such a talk and ashs compliments to clemont have to do with what the situation is involved
serena grabs on to ash after the ordeal when no other girl does so and she out loud makes the yell of not losing
>>24856078
What conversation? It's literally you saying there's nothing for Ash and Serena when there is and being hellbent on saying there isn't. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you were samefagging the responses like the other guy said.
Don't you faggots ever get tired of arguing over the same shit every day?
I enjoy seeing Serena spill her spaghetti every now and then but I don't lose sleep over whether or not their ship has made any progress.
>>24856108It's a known shitposter talking to himself pretending to be multiple people, anon
>>24856117Either that or one's a shitposter and the other got caught in the bait.
>>24856108
The funny thing is, every other notable ships were the same thing. Girls just spilling spaghetti. This IS a kids show, expect something deep is foolish.
>>24856091
she just put her hands on his shoulders after he almost died. she never showed any reservations about touching him. letting him pull her hand, slapping his hand, pulling him out of the trash, nursing his foot. yelling to millefeui revealed nothing. none of that shows her being more direct with him, in general or about her feelings.
ash was encouraging her like he encourages everyone else, like shota, korrina, sanpei, even fucking nene and shauna. he only compliments her when she plays dressup or in the context of tripokalons. and telling her that he wants to be a pokemon master doesn't show attraction, it's not like he's a reserved guy.
this shit is way too trivial, and not different enough from how ash behaves with everyone else to be considered progress or a definitive sign of anything. fucking again, these vague, microscopic hints are not substance, they're shipbaiting, and you're falling for it.
>>24856124
Depends what "deep" really means.
>>24856124
>This IS a kids show
exactly, which is why people saying that it isn't shallow or one-sided are delusional.
>>24856131
This is Pokemon mainly aimed at children. Expecting something beyond young girls teased about their crushes, or admiring their crushes from afar is fucking stupid.
>>24856129
serena grabs on to ash after he almost died but its about how close she is to him at that time and her yelling out to millefeui isnt more open in general when she would normally stay quiet
him complimenting her wasnt him trying to encourage her if it were that he would have said something else and him talking with serena was both in private and him just starting to talk when people have to ask him before he talks
you call it trivial but the show gives it emphasis
>>24856137
but that's the thing, ash had a great interpersonal relationship with dawn, while with serena it seems distant. it makes amour a less believable ship despite being a canon ship.
>>24856136
>>24856137
Sure, talking about marriage and the use of "date" say hi.
Animation of Serena putting on the dressslowlyWHEN?
>>24856137
>>24856146
It'd be a whole lot easier if you just came out and said you're a Pearlfag.
>>24856158
After Ash tugs on the ribbongently.
The chemistry of Amour is fine, the actual problem is that Serena is far too beta to say anything and hasn't made any push to win him over. She instead mostly focuses on her goal, and her crush is a small side thing.
If Serena never makes a move on Ash, Ash will never know she loves him. It's as simple as that.
>>24856188
She's been winning him over just fine while her liking him ties to her goal and she'll get less beta as the story goes on.
Ash shows interest but he doesn't know she likes him.
>>24856144
>its about how close she is to him
arms length is not close. she literally grabbed him out of the trash before. again, she has never shown to be shy about being physically close to him. you are inferring growth where there isn't any.
>he would have said something else
it's a contest about how looks. she was worried about her dress and ash said she looked good. he's encouraging her.
>people have to ask him before he talks
you're just making shit up now. when has ash ever been the quiet or reserved type? he was just making conversation.
the show gives it emphasis because it's shipbaiting. it's pushing amour without actually progressing the relationship or giving it substance.
>>24856166
this would be easier if you actually had something substantial to add.
>>24856207
arms length face to face is close not completely close but close
if he were trying to encourage her he wouldnt be talking about her not to mention him keeping a straight face
its not made up if it isnt about pokemon or if people dont ask him he wont talk about himself
it has substance not to much but it has it
>>24856207
Sure, you first. You keep trying to say Ash and Dawn but that's the worst example to even use.
>>24856203
Why hasn't Serena attempted to hug or kiss Ash after 100 episodes? It's been 100 EPISODES.
>>24856255
>close
read the rest of the fucking sentence you mong
>wouldnt be talking about her ... straight face
fucking what
>wont talk about himself
it was about pokemon, or at least about being a pokemon master.
substance means getting closer to each other somehow. for ash it would be atrying to spend more time with her, do things with her, converse with her. this would display attraction, even if he didn't understand it. for serena it would be actively creating opportunities to spend time with ash, and at least hinting her feelings to ash, or trying to get him to open up.
that's progress. ash being nice or making friendly conversation, and serena blushing is not progress.
>started watching the anime from the beginning a few months ago
>10 episodes left before I finish DP
I feel like I should watch BW. I don't know, it feels like I might miss out on something.
>>24856270
worst how? they battled and talked all the time. you got a sense that they really understood and appreciated each other. whereas ash and serena's "dynamic" is basically inspiring each other from a distance occasionally.
>>24856292
i did read it and holding someone that close while being relieved isnt showing a bit more openness while everyone else doesnt do that
watch how he compliments her mong
it wasnt about pokemon it was about him and how he figured it all help him get better it doesnt become about being a master until serena asks him about his dream
he does do things with here and theyve shown that he does talk with her there is progress even if it is little
>>24856302
>>24856302
>they battled and talked all the time.
Yeah, they did that. Everyone does that except Serena and battling. Instead she tells Ash about battle spots like the Chateau.
>you got a sense that they really understood and appreciated each other.
You get the same with Ash and Serena.
>whereas ash and serena's "dynamic" is basically inspiring each other from a distance occasionally.
And they do this when they're in their time of need, showing how they see each other as a source of strength.
>>24856286
Because you save that for later.
>>24856309
>while everyone else doesnt do that
we're not talking about serena vs the rest, we're talking serena vs serena. she was physically close to him before. she was never shy about being close. it's like saying that ash matured because he selflessly rescues pokemon, when he's done that every fucking season. it's not progress if it's not change.
>watch how he compliments her
i'm starting to think you're legit autistic if you think being nice to someone = being attracted to them. there was nothing special about the way he complimented her, especially when it was right after a contest. if he randomly compliments her looks during their regular travels it would be something.
>until serena asks him
everything he said was about "helping him" become a pokemon master, he just specified it when she asked. again, it was just friendly conversation. honestly do you think if it was clemont who fell with him, he wouldn't talk about the summer camp with him? you are blowing it way out of proportion.
>>24856324
he talked with dawn way more. he bantered more. he engaged with her personally, instead of just talking about what's happening in the episode. serena being a GPS device is not chemistry.
you get it from one side. again, their dynamic is based on distance. besides the hint and spaghetti shit, they just yell "ganbatte!" and cheer from the sidelines. their dynamic is based on distance, not personal interaction. how the fuck do they expect to build a good relationship off that
>>24856336
have you seen serena when she tries helping ash back in the beginning vs that time the change is there
the anime makes it a point when hes just being nice and when it shows something and you might be too autistic to even notice not to mention a lot of times people ask him about it and that time wasnt one of them
he said it was all helping him for the kalos league and that nothing was a waste and hes talking about something personal which is his thoughts on his experiences if it were clemont that fell with him hed be talking about his inventions or the gym battle
>>24856286
Lost interest? Possibly..
(because, She realized that Her and Ash Ketchum would remain friends and nothing more than that).
>>24856360
>he talked with dawn way more.
A lot of the "way more" was
>instead of just talking about what's happening in the episode.
>he bantered more.
And Ash and Serena don't need to do that because it isn't a friendship deal.
>he engaged with her personally
He's done the same with Serena.
>you get it from one side. again, their dynamic is based on distance. besides the hint and spaghetti shit, they just yell "ganbatte!" and cheer from the sidelines. their dynamic is based on distance, not personal interaction. how the fuck do they expect to build a good relationship off that
Yeah, I mean the first gym battle wasn't Serena getting Ash back to speed and the minute his whole plan came crashing down he didn't drop the battle for a bit and turn to Serena all the while Serena gives him confidence when everyone else doubts him.
>>24856378
She isn't Misty and good job showing you don't watch the anime.
>>24856402
Watch it , All the time.
I watch it , around 8:00 AM.
>>24856402
Serena and Ash Ketchum will be friends forever and nothing more than that.
Friend Zone Forever
>>24856409
>>24856417
Friend Zone Forever is May, not Serena.
>>24856375
>back in the begining
where? what life or death situation was it? where exactly has serena displayed shyness about being close to him? give me specific examples.
>the anime makes a point when hes just being nice
he's always being nice. what fucking point does it make? how does it overtly distinguish it? it fucking doesn't. you are seeing shit because you want to see it, but ostensibly his behavior is the same. he encourages people, and complimenting serena's looks falls under that when her fucking goal revolves around it.
>talking about something personal
the kalos league, and nothing being a waste towards his goal, all relates to being a pokemon master. he's told fucking hundreds of people about his dreams, doesn't mean he's attracted to them. it wasn't that personal, he didn't reveal something major to her, it was just a context for polite conversation, and the fact that they literally had to be stuck together for him to converse with her at all just shows how impersonal their relationship is.
The Ash/Serena subplot is not anymore serious than the May/Drew subplot
>>24856429
And Serena too. Ash Ketchum will move on to the Region and leave Serena behind.
>>24856429
Ash Ketchum will move on to the Next Region on Poké-Earth and leave Serena behind.
>>24856455
Nah. He wants Serena to go with him.
>>24856445
True.
>>24856398
it's not a friendship deal OR a romance deal, at least from ash's side. they lack any kind of interpersonal dynamic. at least a friendship can believably lead to a romance, but ash and serena are more distant than any of them barring iris.
yes, the first fucking gym, before she even joined the group. and since then it not only hasn't developed, it's actually regressed. it's such a good dynamic to build their relationship on, but it's so sparse it barely matters anymore. and it still doesn't affect their interpersonal interactions, i.e. directly conversing or doing things with each other.
>>24856467
Nah. only in Serena dream.
Reminder that Serena wasn't referring to Ash in XY80 when she said "I won't lose!"
>>24856442
back when ash got knocked back in the kindergarten episode she tried helping him but was to slow meanwhile go to her rushing over to grab him
the anime makes it a point when it actually gives emphasis him complimenting her was completely aside from just encouraging her the next tripokalon has him just saying her performance was the greatest but it didnt give emphasis to it
he was also talking about himself not just the league not to mention he didnt even mention about being a master until serena asked as for context there was him talking about fennekin and other stuff plus theyve had other talks shown in other episodes
New thread up.
>>24856447
>>24856447
>>24856447
>>24856488
not even remotely comparable danger, and nothing do with being afraid of closeness.
it wasn't completely aside, the group was talking about her fixing her dress, and he said she looked good in it. again, if he complimented her outside a tripokalon context, or her dressing up, you would have some argument.
he was talking about himself in terms of his goal. helping his battling, the league, none of that is highly personal shit, it's shit he's told a million people. this was the most personal talk they had and it was fucking nothing. if this is the extent of their relationship then it's shallow even by the show's standards.
>>24856378
>>24856402
>>24856409
>>24856417
>>24856429
>>24856445
>>24856455
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>>24856476
Nice same fag bait-kun.
>>24856470
>it's not a friendship deal OR a romance deal, at least from ash's side. they lack any kind of interpersonal dynamic. at least a friendship can believably lead to a romance, but ash and serena are more distant than any of them barring iris.
Is this your belief, because Ash had banter with everyone but Serena, including Iris and he gets along with Serena well.
>yes, the first fucking gym, before she even joined the group. and since then it not only hasn't developed, it's actually regressed. it's such a good dynamic to build their relationship on, but it's so sparse it barely matters anymore. and it still doesn't affect their interpersonal interactions, i.e. directly conversing or doing things with each other.
They fucking interact and they get along well. Again, I'm just getting the impression that you're a Pearlfag in disguise.
>>24856513
>they interact and they get along well
yeah no shit, you can say the same about polite acquaintances, which is what this relationship feels like. they're not any closer in terms of amour nor friendship. it's a problem when the canon ship feels more distant than all the other girls.
i don't ship ash and dawn, i'm just using it as a standard for interpersonal relationships in the show, and ash and serena aren't meeting it, when they should be exceeding it.
>>24856521
They're constantly supporting each other and clearly mean a lot to each other, how is that "polite acquaintances"?
>>24856504
you asked about when she was afraid to grab him and i told you
it was completely aside because theyre talking about her herself not her looks or anything else not to mention he has complemented her outside of them much more than with others
him talking about how to help his battling and throwing it into talking with the league was personal because he doesnt go into detail about it hes told people about being a master but he doesnt go into it as much
i have to ask why do you keep moving the goalposts so much
>>24856521
>yeah no shit, you can say the same about polite acquaintances, which is what this relationship feels like. they're not any closer in terms of amour nor friendship. it's a problem when the canon ship feels more distant than all the other girls.
They support each other and they share a belief. That's as far opposite of "polite acquaintances" as you can get.
>i don't ship ash and dawn, i'm just using it as a standard for interpersonal relationships in the show, and ash and serena aren't meeting it, when they should be exceeding it.
That's still the worst example because that is as far away from a romance as you can get.
>>24856542
OK, thanks for letting me know.
>>24856523
because you don't have to be friends to wish good luck to someone or cheer for them. in ash's case, he'll risk his life to save someone when he doesn't even know them. so serena doesn't come across as a close friend, she comes across as someone ash travels with and treats nicely like everyone else.
>>24856524
she wasn't shy about grabbing him, she was afraid of danger. there was no danger after he safely landed with goodra.
they were talking about her dress, her dress is her fucking looks, holy shit. it fits completely in the conversation in a platonic way. again, it was serena being beta and ash being a clueless nice guy, that was not any kind of romantic intention or progress.
there was nothing highly personal about what he said, the extra bit about "everything for a reason" was to encourage serena as well, because that's what he does.
everything i'm arguing revolves around ash and serena lacking personal interaction, and even when they get more personal it's something as trivial as that.
>>24856569
>because you don't have to be friends to wish good luck to someone or cheer for them. in ash's case, he'll risk his life to save someone when he doesn't even know them. so serena doesn't come across as a close friend, she comes across as someone ash travels with and treats nicely like everyone else.
>they get their confidence from one another and they both try living by one belief
>he actually bothers helping her across even the smallest gap while leaving Clemont and Bonnie on their own
>treats like everyone else
Are you being fucking serious?
>>24856552
it's not far from a romance. it's not a romance because they don't have romantic feelings for each other, not because they lack interaction. a romance would actually be entirely believable based on that level of interaction and understanding.
"supporting each other" by cheering or words of encouragement doesn't require friendship. the far opposite of polite acquaintances are close friends who actively want to do things together, converse with each other about all sorts of things (not just current events), and make sacrifices for each other, like resolving disputes for each others' sake.
>>24856569
she wasnt paying attention to the danger
they were talking about the dress but ash wasnt talking about just the dress not to mention his behavior which wasnt him just saying it with a straight face
him saying that was personal especially when he doesnt say that and serena didnt even give out that something was bothering her until after he mentions his dream
you call it trivial even though it isnt and instead move goalposts
>>24856590
Amour is happening whether you believe it or not.
>>24856577
ash got confidence from serena literally twice. and you don't need to be friends to be inspired by someone or live by similar beliefs. serena admires ash, but it's completely one-sided.
wow, helping her across a stream one time, fucking full blown amour in here. he didn't help her when they were trekking up the mountain where they met goomy.
ash risked his life saving bonnie, and talonflame, and a random pangoro. does that mean he's attracted to them?
>>24856588
>it's not far from a romance. it's not a romance because they don't have romantic feelings for each other, not because they lack interaction. a romance would actually be entirely believable based on that level of interaction and understanding.
And you're still telling me you're not a closet Pearlfag? Ash and Serena interact well enough and they actually have romance undertones. Those interactions you talk about was used for a friendship basis, which is not what they're striving for.
>"supporting each other" by cheering or words of encouragement doesn't require friendship. the far opposite of polite acquaintances are close friends who actively want to do things together, converse with each other about all sorts of things (not just current events), and make sacrifices for each other, like resolving disputes for each others' sake.
They're literally using each other as a pillar of support while living by "not giving up until the end". Ash and Serena have been shown to converse about stuff and they resolve their problems because they have each other as a pillar.
>>24856621
It's happening.
Anyone have a screen cap of the green haired girl who had leafeon and glaceon that was in the current episode?
>>24856612
>ash got confidence from serena literally twice. and you don't need to be friends to be inspired by someone or live by similar beliefs. serena admires ash, but it's completely one-sided.
Well guess what, she knew him from the past, and she inspired him. She even reminded him of HIS belief. Second time Ash literally turn away from battle on his own to get inspired by her. The whole one-sided thing falls flat.
>wow, helping her across a stream one time, fucking full blown amour in here. he didn't help her when they were trekking up the mountain where they met goomy.
You clearly fucking know there are a good number of times he treats her differently. Walking regularly isn't one of those things.
>ash risked his life saving bonnie, and talonflame, and a random pangoro. does that mean he's attracted to them?
I never even said anything about this. I think that other nigger's right, you are just moving the goal posts.
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>>24856596
"she wasn't fast enough" isn't shyness. she was about to help him when he got up on his own. this is seriously the most grasping shit i've seen in these threads, and i've seen a lot.
>ash wasn't talking about just the dress
yes, he was talking about serena in the dress. he was encouraging her when everyone else was. telling someone they looked good in a fucking beauty contest is not flirting.
>straight face
this is not the face of romantic intent.
serena was the one who asked him if the fishing and pokevision mattered too, that's why he said everything matters. ash talking about his dreams is nothing as jarring as you're making it out to be.
how the fuck am i moving goalposts? you're the one who keeps diverging to shit that doesn't respond to my argument at all.
>mfw this thread
>>24856647
i said the admiration is one-sided. ash got inspired by serena's words twice, but he hasn't shown any particular reverence for her like she has for him.
he hasn't treated her in any way that goes beyond clueless protag that's nice to everyone. risking his life for people, and encouraging everyone, and being nice to everyone is further proof that serena doesn't get special treatment.
>>24856624
they're not interactions inherently "for a friendship basis," they are interactions to make the characters seem closer. friendship vs romance is based on feelings, but the closeness of that relationship depends on the level of interaction, and serena and ash lack interaction in any sense. even the phrase "well enough" evokes a friendly but not close relationship.
serena uses ash as a pillar of support. ash was inspired by serena twice in 100 episodes, and this wasn't enough to make him want to do things with her or talk to her more.
>>24856660
she wasnt fast enough even though when she ran up to him she was the fastest of the group
i never said he was flirting but shifting position is more telling that it was romantic intent than just keeping it straight like he had it
she asked that because he suddenly starts talking about the pokevision and how he didnt think it was a waste all the while talking about his personal thoughts on his dreams
the argument you have doesnt make sense when he actually do bond with her but you keep saying no then trying to come up to other conditions that i respond to then you change them again
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>>24856695
i keep having to bring up new points because you keep making up new stupid comparisons. serena almost touching ash's shoulder but him getting up first after falling and serena touching ash when he recovered from a near death skydive does not in any way indicate a change in her level of shyness or confidence. that is pure fucking grasping and you know it.
shifting his face to this >>24856660 is even more evidence that he was just being friendly. the artists are plenty good with expressions and that face is clearly conveying friendly encouragement.
he said that he hoped the pokevision turns out, and she agreed. he then related it to his battles, and the league. he was talking to her about battling and his goal. that is nothing personal for ash, that is not "opening up." that being the content of their most personal conversation only supports my argument about how impersonal they are.
>>24856693
>i said the admiration is one-sided. ash got inspired by serena's words twice, but he hasn't shown any particular reverence for her like she has for him.
You mean other that he tells Clemont he thinks she's strong?
>he hasn't treated her in any way that goes beyond clueless protag that's nice to everyone. risking his life for people, and encouraging everyone, and being nice to everyone is further proof that serena doesn't get special treatment.
Even though that's clearly wrong as he helps her across some small gaps, invites her, willingly agrees to go with what she wants without much arm twisting and what not.
>>24856725
i only bring these comparisons because you keep changing whatever it is you want to fit your categorization that then keeps changing and you get your explanations
shifting his face was him being more than friendly since him being friendly he wouldnt even shift it and the artists have nothing to do with is body language
he was talking about all that and the reason it is personal is because he doesnt go into it whenever he tells other people about that other than him wanting to be a pokemon master it doesnt even support your argument hes never even had this talk with anyone else
>>24856693
The phrase "well enough" is because they have to share screen time with two others. Even then they interact just fine. The only reason Ash and Dawn seem to have more is because Brock wasn't involved between them.
Serena uses Ash as a pillar of support and Ash being inspired in those two episodes clearly shows she's a pillar of support, then XY59 happens. They talk and a lot of shit they do they do it together.
>>24856750
>shifting his face was him being more than friendly since him being friendly he wouldnt even shift it and the artists have nothing to do with is body language
you know what, i'm just going to stop here because of how utterly stupid this comment is. i don't expect to convince retards like you, but anyone looking at this conversation probably gets my point by now.
>>24856726
yes, clemont was worried and ash told him not to. i didn't say he doesn't respect serena, i said "like she has for him," as in looking to his strength and wisdom to motivate herself. besides the two instances serena has not played into ash's motivation.
i already said inviting her was important, but the relationship hasn't progressed beyond that. the rest is not outside his normally nice demeanor.
>>24856764
xy59 didn't change a thing. it was the most insignificant "date" i've ever seen. yes, i understand it's a kid's show, but apparently some people don't, and think these moments are any indication of progress.
>>24856775
>yes, clemont was worried and ash told him not to. i didn't say he doesn't respect serena, i said "like she has for him," as in looking to his strength and wisdom to motivate herself. besides the two instances serena has not played into ash's motivation.
Those two instances are literally something that Ash has been using at a constant thing that were imparted to him because Serena reminded him. Those two instances have pretty much done more on Ash on a personal level than what else you've had others do.
>i already said inviting her was important, but the relationship hasn't progressed beyond that. the rest is not outside his normally nice demeanor.
Except that's clearly fucking wrong because those things he only bothers doing with Serena.
>>24856792
XY59 had Serena be marked as important to Ash. Something that's been shown twice already but in this case they were solidifying it.
That you don't like it is another story, but it doesn't mean it had no significance.
>>24856799
and yet you never see him thinking or even looking at serena outside of those instances, unlike her when she's picturing and quoting him. so you're only speculating that she's on his mind.
i said that the inspiration dynamic was the basis for their relationship, and then i said that it isn't developed enough because it's only briefly referenced a handful of times, and that it hasn't contributed to their interpersonal relationship.
>>24856775
you know what i mean about the artists im referring to body language and gestures yet you keep jumping to other tangents and you say you dont keep moving it
>>24856813
you're right, i don't like it, because he gave her some worthless scrap that he randomly got and had no one to give to, and this is supposed to mean something. that's not progress, it's the same old ash being a clueless nice guy and serena spilling spaghetti. that's what i mean by insignificant, it didn't change their interactions at all. progress would be if ash especially tried to get something for serena, or actually wanted to spend time with her rather than running off to do his own thing.
>>24856828
Even though he holds conversations and all-around there's a constant reminder of what would be the date episode?
It's referenced a handful of times because those are the times that they're having their problems. Otherwise they interact in a simple way but that in itself doesn't mean there hasn't been any interpersonal relationship or that it's bad.
>>24856831
artists draw the fucking body language and gestures. they drew ash making a friendly face, so it stands to fucking reason that he was being friendly. your other comment was that "he wouldn't change his face if he was being friendly," which is just baffling.
i didn't bother responding to the rest because you're just going in circles. i'm saying him talking about battles and shit is not that personal, and her touching his shoulder in that context is nothing when she had no reservations about touching him before, plus he almost fucking died there. these are not progress, the order of these actions could have been reversed with your earlier examples, and the relationship wouldn't look any different.
>>24856844
>because he gave her some worthless scrap that he randomly got and had no one to give to
He couldn't even get anything for his Pokemon and he had no need to even give it to someone.
>and this is supposed to mean something
It actually means something.
>it's the same old ash being a clueless nice guy
He clearly knew what he was doing. Just because he doesn't know Serena likes him doesn't mean he has no idea what he's doing.
>serena spilling spaghetti
That's normal.
>progress would be if ash especially tried to get something for serena, or actually wanted to spend time with her rather than running off to do his own thing.
He couldn't even get anything for his Pokemon.
>>24856858
see my earlier points about "shipbaiting." the ribbon references the date episode, but they're not any closer in their interactions. we're going back to my original point now, in that amour doesn't advance their relationship. ash doesn't appear to be more attracted to serena than he was at first, and serena isn't making any effort to get closer to ash. all it is is vague hints from ash and spaghetti from serena.
the amour moments would be enough if they at least had a level of interaction comparable to ash and dawn. those together would believably lead to a romance. but that's not happening, and neither is the above. so the moments alone amount to a superficial and overtly one-sided romance.
>>24856865
i know artists draw the body language and gestures and ash shifts his body and what he says is what makes it more than just being friendly
you say it wasnt personal but he wasnt just talking about battles but about his personal thoughts on what hes doing
her touching his shoulders isnt about having reservations but about how shes showing more affection
you say i go in circles but you have been doing this the whole time
>>24856891
i didn't say serena lacked affection for ash, i said she lacked confidence in getting closer to him. and i don't mean physically. they are on two different pages. for the relationship to advance, ash would have to display more attraction towards serena, and serena would have to make more effort to get closer to him. none of these moments are a sign of those things happening, or more specifically, these relations increasing from where they were at the start.
>>24856883
Their interactions are normal while it's known that Ash is interested in Serena and Serena likes Ash because there's the reference of the date episode.
Using Ash and Dawn is a terrible example because how they interacted they literally treated themselves like just friends, not to mention Brock got the shaft. Ash and Serena have to share with Clemont and Bonnie.
What's up with all the anime threads? It's been like this for days. Which one is the real one? Also amour closure when?
>>24856911
Step it up based director
>>24856904
see >>24856588 again. it's not about the nature of the interaction, it's about the level of interaction. ash clearly had a platonic attraction, but nonetheless an attraction to dawn based on how they interacted. like how you want to be friends with certain people. he doesn't clearly want to do things with serena.
>it's known that Ash is interested in Serena
no, it's speculation and wishful thinking. it's completely unclear, and all been done in a way that can be easily interpreted as platonic from ash's side, and hasn't progressed since he invited her. it'sshipbaiting.
>>24856911
>>24856919
>wanting based director to use Nisekoi
>>24856922
>see >>24856588 again. it's not about the nature of the interaction, it's about the level of interaction. ash clearly had a platonic attraction, but nonetheless an attraction to dawn based on how they interacted. like how you want to be friends with certain people. he doesn't clearly want to do things with serena.
What? They interact at normal levels while at the same time there's a nature of their interactions. He even willingly agrees to stuff he'd never even consider like going shopping for clothes.
>no, it's speculation and wishful thinking. it's completely unclear, and all been done in a way that can be easily interpreted as platonic from ash's side, and hasn't progressed since he invited her. it's shipbaiting.
Except it wasn't completely unclear. The interpretation of it is clearly set to be romantic.
>>24856925
no, it's unclear, because ash doesn't act any differently towards her. he's not any more affectionate, and he doesn't try to spend any more time with her. plus, he was giving her a thank you gift on pokechristmas, and it was basically a regift. so there is nothing inherently romantic about it, it was just presented in a superficially romantic way that doesn't actually change their dynamic.
he went shopping because he was hoping to find a gift for his pokemon.
>>24856953
>because ash doesn't act any differently towards her. he's not any more affectionate
He already acts and treats Serena differently from others
>and he doesn't try to spend any more time with her.
What does that have to do with anything when he spends time with her normally?
>plus, he was giving her a thank you gift on pokechristmas, and it was basically a regift.
That's the reason he gave because she asked, but he himself was acting nervous about it. Not to mention he couldn't even get a thing for his Pokemon.
>so there is nothing inherently romantic about it
Except there clearly was considering when Ash gave and how he was behaving.
>it was just presented in a superficially romantic way that doesn't actually change their dynamic.
The change there was to show that Serena is pretty important to him.
>he went shopping because he was hoping to find a gift for his pokemon.
What does this have to do with anything?
>>24856967
>What does this have to do with anything?
>>24856925
>He even willingly agrees to stuff he'd never even consider like going shopping for clothes.
he doesn't treat her differently enough to be clearly into her. being more polite to girls fits in with him being more mature in general. plus clemont takes care of bonnie.
wanting to spend more time with her, or clearly interacting with her more than with the others are just possible signs to show attraction, but they're not there. he got his pokemon the berries, which he actually put effort into. he just gave serena the spare thing he had on him.
things like the nose scratch aren't clear, they're just vague hints that could easily go either way, because the writers choose to keep it ambiguous. ash interacts with serena about as much as the other characters, and he does nice and selfless shit for them as well. so it's accurate to call the relationship superficial right now, when it's relegated to these "maybe" moments that don't change how they act around each other.
>>24857037
>>He even willingly agrees to stuff he'd never even consider like going shopping for clothes.
>>he went shopping because he was hoping to find a gift for his pokemon.
Do you actually read or are you just pulling shit.
>he doesn't treat her differently enough to be clearly into her. being more polite to girls fits in with him being more mature in general. plus clemont takes care of bonnie.
Except you know, he actually does. Not to mention he doesn't bother with Clemont either. Plus there's the record of his behavior with Serena vs. other main girls and when compared to Korrina.
>wanting to spend more time with her, or clearly interacting with her more than with the others are just possible signs to show attraction, but they're not there. he got his pokemon the berries, which he actually put effort into. he just gave serena the spare thing he had on him.
They show it often enough. He got his Pokemon berries because Serena was telling him that they're like him, so he should think what he'd like. He still had no reason whatsoever to give Serena the ribbon so him giving it because it was a spare makes no sense as the prize was for HIM, not the Pokemon.
>things like the nose scratch aren't clear, they're just vague hints that could easily go either way, because the writers choose to keep it ambiguous. ash interacts with serena about as much as the other characters, and he does nice and selfless shit for them as well. so it's accurate to call the relationship superficial right now, when it's relegated to these "maybe" moments that don't change how they act around each other.
They're pretty clear given the contexts of each scene where they occur. He interacts the same amounts he does with everyone else but even then you can see the moments where he treats Serena differently. What they did with XY59 is show that Serena is important to him. The fact that they both have each other as a pillar of support when everything goes bad is anything but superficial.
>>24856919
>chapter 199
This is why we can't have nice things
>>24856513
No. It's a fact. Ash Ketchum is going to leave Serena behind and go to the Next Region. Ash×Serena is pure Fanon.
>>24849090
>pocket monster
>non shit subs
ayy
>>24857639
>No. It's a fact. Ash Ketchum is going to leave Serena behind and go to the Next Region. Ash×Serena is pure Fanon.
>it's a thing in the anime
>Ash invites Serena with him
bait-kun go home
>it's a thing in the anime
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