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Heyo dis be da pmdg where we's talks about da gaymes and uh posten them there rescue mails and such...
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>>24717097
I didn't have that happen at all.
Maybe you just got unlucky?
post
>hours
>pokemon recruited
>chapter (if not postgame)
>>24717109
Maybe. Oh well, curse fucking destroyed him so it's whatever.
>>24717111
>41 hours
>462/720
>Epilogue
>tfw parnter is shivering from fear before going into the ghost dungeon
>tfw partner just shakes in place if you run away from them too fast
almost died from a fucking heart attack. i wish i could have hugged her.
>>24717111
>54 hours
>551/720
>>24717111
>48 hours
>646 recruited
i don't want it to end
>Can we talk about Water Sport?
wooper you dirty scoundrel
>>24717137
too lewd
First for the wonderful, splendid, illustrious, magnanimous, irreproachable, fantastic Vice Principal Watchog. For this thread, let's ponder what it is that makes him so perfect
>>24717142
That's not Ampharos.
>>24717137
>defeat Octillery in a Challenge battle
>"Wow, you're strong! Can I wrap my tentacles around you?"
>>24717137
>tfw the wooper is implied to be very young
>but is like level 40
>>24717143
After his intro in Serene Village I expected him to be another stronk but incompetent type that has to be babysat by his advisor like Wigglytuff, but I'm at Chapter 14 right now and Ampharos really surprised me with just how much he has his shit together
>tfw the pokemon you were going to pick regardless of how good they are ended up being great anyway
it's a good life
>>24717155
He's the chief for a reason
>>24717155
I just wishyou played as him during the part with everyone stoned. He's still the GOAT leader
>>24717156
You too huh? I can actually use my starter in the postgame now
>>24717156
Of course, even got him as my quiz Pokemon the first time. Everyone knows Totodile is the best water starter. Too bad I can't give him Sheer Force and make him RIP AND TEAR everyone apart with his jaws
Guys, what TM's should I pick up from confragrius for Oshawott / Chespin?
Icebeam for type coverage?
>brings Tyranitar along because him being a high level would help with the final? post-game story dungeon
>forget that his innate ability creates sandstorms
>WELP
>forced to use a blast seed on him and not revive
sorry bro.
>>24717161
I wanted to get Ampharos chapter there too, it's not like he sat around during that time either, guy was busy.
>>24717170>that ice cold burn in the ruins
fucking based
>>24717166
I tried bulldoze out but it was too inaccurate/weak for me, so I dropped it. Chespin doesn't get much use out of Cofag's TMs.
Which is fine because vine whip, pin missile and rollout are more than enough for the story, then you can get move tutor stuff from Hawlucha in the postgame.
Would rather have had Munchlax as a starter again instead of Riolu. Little shit gets too much attention. Plus then I could use Snorlax whenever I want instead of these fucking breaks. Pokeflute when?
>>24717166
I'd say Ice Beam for Osha, maybe Sludge Bomb for Chespin if you don't already have 4 OP moves.
Stock up on Reviver Seeds if you haven't already and you're still in the story portion of the game.
Post favorite minor NPCs
>That Ursaring/Teddiursa family or friends or whatever their relationship was
>Teddiursa wants to evolve soon and be tough like Ursaring
>Ursaring thinks he's fugly and wants Teddiursa to stay cute
>>24717194
Shelmet being a thirsty motherfuck
>>24717149
>>24717137
>wooper is actually a middle-aged adult who's into baby play
>>24717221
>pokemon using everstones for ageplay purposes
>>24717221
Wooper actually just got into a stash of Joy Seeds and vitamins
>>24717226
>joy seeds magically cause aging
>>24717194
>Sawsbuck not knowing Amaura's name
>Cofagrius being GLORIOUS
>>24717194
>sudowoodo's pseudohouse and him accidentally letting slip that it's a monster house before desperately trying to convince you otherwise
>>24717194Post-game Krookodile.Falling in love with Miltank.
this school stuff is really annoying, please tell me it ends soon anons
>>24717249
maybe
>>24717249
hard to say without knowing how far into it you are, friendo
>>24717249
It ends right after you make the choice ofkilling your partner or nuking Serene Village
>>24717244
>miltank wanting everyone to drink moo-moo milk
>>24717194
Miltank's anger issues
i wish more games did stuff like the whole school part of this game
>>24717284
>i wish more games spent the first third of the game and 4/8 bosses in a slow-moving school setting that barely contributes to the plot
>and then immediately afterwards ramped up the pacing into overdrive with everything happening at once
nah
The school was cute, but all it really served as was an overly-long tutorial. If you wanted to keep the school part, you'd need to either speed it way up or slow the rest of the game way down. The latter of which the game could probably have benefited a bit from, really. Two or three short side story arcs with a few references back to the main plot would have worked wonders to make the Expedition Society more important-feeling.
>>24717284
I don't. Leaving Serene is like being let off the leashand then realising you've just swapped one leash for another
>>24717307
that doesnt even make sense dude
>>24717297
>Slowing the rest of the game down
The amount of plot that's dumped on you during Primeval Forest-Credits kind of dulled any emotional impact. Was too busy thinking 'wait, why is that...oh, yeah, that's it' to get caught up in the feels or whatever. That shit needed to be spread out a bit more.
>>24717320
Yes it does
You're forced to sit through cutscenes and go through story dungeons at set intervals
You literally cannot do whatever the fuck you want until postgame
>>24717339
not really a leash dude, thats just the game
>>24717344
>what is a metaphor
is earthquake good in PMD?
>>24717351
?
every pmd game has sections where you cant go do rescue missions and are forced to do a story mission. its nothing new to the series
>at 430 or so recruited mons
>almost no will to play anymore since leveling is so slow
>if you're not at ___ level you can't recruit guys
>to get to that level you need at least 2 good level motivated guys and preferably an Unown
>chance of that happening is low as fuck
>>24717344
>this part of the game is like a leash, and then you swap that leash for another leash!
>lol dude thats just the game
No shit.
>>24717353
Yes, but I think it hits allies that aren't immune to it, so be careful how you use it
>>24717357
>game has you do a story mission
>wow thats a leash!
you are one stupid mother fucker
>>24717354
I think the difference here is supposed to be that in this game you cannot choose to wait to go on the expeditions or whatever and just do your own missions. You do what the game wants whenever it says to do it. It's not the same as like when you're on the run in the first game and are going through a dungeon gauntlet. It's time where you are in town but the game is not letting you do what you want, you MUST advance the story.
>Barrage Hyper Beam
it's like i'm really 7 again
>>24717363
in rescue team, you are forced to leave when you are being chased, and you cant do anything else until like 5 dungeons
theres no difference at all
>>24717362
In the other games you got to postpone doing the missions as long as you wanted. This one doesn't let you do that. That's a leash.
>>24717367
Yeah, in that one instance. There have always been dungeon gauntlets in these games, that's not new. They usually warn you, as well. The difference is that in this game, the whole fucking thing is a dungeon gauntlet, you are never free to progress the story at your own pace. It goes "Story - day - day - story", and you don't get the option to take a filler day in there.
In PMD, before I go do a story mission outside of a dungeon gauntlet, I can spend literally 1000000 days doing whatever I want before I have to actually do the mission. In SMD, I never have that freedom. That's why it's a leash.
There are dungeon gauntlets, yeah, like on the way to Lively Town in this game. They aren't the same thing as what this entire game does.
Anyone wanna be a pal
>>24717433
what dungeon?
>>24717435
Sunny spot hill
do you ever get your real partner back?
>>24717447
sorry, i'd do it if i didn't just suddenly get hit with a wall of sleepiness
>>24717176
>somebody saved this
t-thanks.
>>24717453
anyone else?
>>24717465
I'll try.
>>24717465
I gotcha. Be there in a minute.
>>24717471
you're the best!
>>24717472
>>24717471
nevermind then, i'll leave it to you
>>24717473
What floor?
>>24717495
8th floor
>>24717497
Alright, just checkin.
>>24717497
Here you go.
>>24717513
Thanks alot pal
>This motherfucker has three multi-hit moves, two of which are ranged.
Based Heracross
I fucked up big-time. Serpintine Trail floor 1.
I'm probably under leveled, but those flying and rock types hit me like a truck.
Running Charmander and Riolu. I just need to get to floor 5.
The new team system sucks, I just wanted to hang out withMawileall the time.
>>24717513
also this is for you
>>24717519
I'm on it.
Reposting because I didnt know I was in the wrong thread. Forgive me.
I've only played the game for a couple of hours.
They sent me on a mission to help an Axew fight a Salamence. And it was tough as 'fuck' with Axew dying immediately, and most of my parters too.
Luckily I fucking destroyed his ass with Flinch and Confusion spam.
Was I even 'meant' to do this mission!? They literally handed me a level 50 Salemence to use at the beginning of the game when I'm still level 13.
Another Question, whens the earliest I get a Snover or Abomasnow to play as? Want to make one my main after the game's over.
I just got my Expedition Badge stuff.
When is the earliest I can recruit Scraggy? Is everything random?
>>24717524
Thanks for the Reviver!
>>24717531
That mission is basically a tutorial. I had a couple tries on it before I figured out that just using wands and blast seeds cheesed the hell out of it. Also helped that I got a first hit burn on it.
>>24717531
The mission is there to make you realise you need stuff other than damage output sometimes. Best way to beat salamence is using wands.
>>24717530
Here you are.
>>24717550
>>24717544
I had only 3 wands and one blast seed. Axew always died first move and basically had Chansey Double Edge to victory since my Ice Fang did shit damage.
>>24717551
>>24717551
Thanks Anon. Man, this is embarrassing. I've survived worse but man did I flatline.
>in Abyssal Badlands
>surrounded
>Magninute Sandshrews everywhere
>moves miss three times in a row
>use all my reviver seeds in the first 3 floors
What the fuck is accuracy in this game? I was just using Energy Ball, not Fissure. No one was buffed and I had no debuffs, one Sand Attack is way worse than any other status in this game. Is there any items that help mitigate this or should I just start using Swift and the like?
>>24717603
Accuracy is tied to speed
Get a mon with Shock Wave
>>24717353
Ask that Vibrava in dungeon after he kills everyone and evolves to make it stronger.
So how is Evolution treated in this game?
Looks like you only get 1 of every Pokemon, judging from the Connection Orb thing. So if you get a say Caterpie to be your friend, evolve him into a Butterfree, youll get 2 Butterfree (one from Connecting to from missions, and one from evolving the Caterpie) in the end with no way to get a second Caterpie? Or does recruiting eventually come back?
I just want a list of a perfect 720.
>>24717610
>accuracy is tied to speed
AT LAST I TRULY SEE
goddamnit Celebi
>>24717614
i think you only get one of each specieswith an exception
>>24717614
1 of each, if you evolve a Pokemon you can't get a replacement. So if you evolved the Caterpie, the Caterpie in the Connection Orb turns into Butterfree, since it's the same individual creature.
>>24717610
What the fuck.
What sense does that even make?
I really thought it was over, but now you've gotta capture Mew as well? Fuck dude, you must really have a death wish.
>>24717551
YOUR REVIVER SEED SAVED MY ENTIRE MISSION THANK YOU
>>24717627
If you're too slow your attacks are easy to dodge, duh. Also, the attack's personal accuracy stat matters too. So slow Rock-types trying to use Stone Edge are super fucked.
>rotom gets hit by a gust trap
>get flung through several walls to the bottom of the map
okay
>>24717628
Fuck man, what a ride.
>Arcanine keeps disappearing
Fffffuck you. I thought as long as it wasn't ridiculously over-leveled it would stick around. It's at a lower level than my starter.
>Snorlax can't move because of hunger
>fat fuck just wanted an apple
>>24717638
>mfw I first realized that ghosts can walk through walls
These Pokémon are super motivated!
>Stunfisk
>Spewpa
>Garbodor
No thanks.
Did anyone saveAmpharos vibrating?
>>24717610
Well I know what my Chespin is going to get with all these proteins.
>>24717671
You don't even have to use them for them to disappear. The new system is retarded
are there any learnsets posted yet? curious what roserade gets, also if kingdra learns draco meteor by level up
>>24717765
They follow the ORAS learnsets iirc. Kingdra learns Draco Meteor via Hawlucha, and it costs a heft 10k.
>>24717781
shit. it still works as a room-clearer in this game, right?
>>24717765
It's ORAS learnsetsfucking Water Shuriken Accelgor
>>24717781
>>24717793
so roserade doesn't get anything beyond what she starts out with+remembers? that sucks.
>>24717738
Drain punch, right
>tapping B opens the inventory immediately
I sure wish I knew this somewhere about 25 hours ago.
>Armaldo reminiscing about Wigglytuff
I'm loving these callbacks.
>mfw ghosts going through walls deplete belly now
>>24717824tapping L switches the leader
>>24717785
Yup, I'm saving up cash to use it in combination with Resilient Looplet. Money's hard to come by in this game even in postgame.
>>24717836
That's always happened.
i want to fuck mawile
>>24717846
>Money's hard to come by in this game even in postgame.
GOLD BARS
O
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B
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>>24717853
I want to bully shelmet!
>>24717863
I want to bullyWatchog
>>24717852
oh, oops. now you can tell i never used a ghost type in the older games.
>>24717856
No way, vitamins are far more important
How the fuck are you supposed to beat the Sand Dune of Spirit dungeon at lvl 25. Fucking hell.
>>24717887git gud
>>24717885
Amen to that, mah african american brethren.
>>24717098
>Still not including PSMD being better than the previous games in the OP
You fucked up
>>24717169
>Not toughing it out with your bro because he's still useful
>Not using a Weather Looplet
Pussy
>>24717887
Bring a hundred wands, orbs and reviver seeds and make a run for the stairs while avoiding every enemy. Use illlumination orbs, guiding wands and pure seeds to get to the stairs as fast as possible.
>>24717619
holy SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
The original crew is here
Where's dialga and dusknoir? Do they appear?
>>24717925Dusknoir is connected to both Grovyle and Dialga in the orb.
>>24717906
Why seed bomb over vine whip? Doesn't seed bomb just hit the tile in front of you?
>>24717906
PMD is the only game I've played where you can still have fun cheesing through it with OP stats
JESUS CHRIST THIS IS ACTUALLY A THING
>>24717939
The fuck? Did you use 200 calciums or something?
>>24717945Non-pokemon hijacking pokemon seems to be a thing in this game.
>>24717956
The mushroom is the Pokemon, not the insect.
thank you based safeguard
clutched the fuck out of Darkrai
>>24717950
100 or so, each vitamin boosts 2 of the stat so save up those gold bars, and don't forget your water looplet.
>>24717906
Don't act like we haven't forgotten about you starving your roided up Chespin to death because you're poor
>>24717956
>>24717945
>>24717965
This has always been the case with Paras/Parasect
So does Krookodile likeMilotic
>>24717965
>>24717945
>he was so desperate to avoid his inevitable fate he tried to pawn the parasitic shrooms off on children
>>24717979
No itsMiltank
>mfw Trubbish gets on the Motivated Pokemon Team
>mfw I have 16 Plain Seeds
>>24717971
Wait I don't see the significance of the Water Looplet. So if I get throw things endlessly does it make it more powerful when I throw it with high stats?
>>24717973
But it's worth it!
>>24718011
>arrange team in a line
>throw vitamins and levelup shit through the line
>everyone gets the effect
What if this game added a post-game DLC that added new stories and connecting with Shiny Pokemon?
>>24718021
How many times can you do that? Does your item get depleted?
>>24718021
So even the person throwing it gets it?
>>24718029
I wouldn't mind.
This is the only game where I actually want DLC.
what is the strongest healing move in the game? Preferably something that can target teammates, so no Rest and stuff like that.
>>24718030
The item sails off into the neverending abyss because it continues going through walls until it leaves the map
>>24718035
No
i went through this stupid dungeon and all i got wasa banana
Uhh, guys?
>>24718069
Sunkern is fucking terrifying in this game.
>>24718030
Your item eventually gets depleted, but it passes through teammates so that they both get the boost.
Keep in mind however that it's totally possible for the item to "miss," and that's pretty shitty.
>>24718049
Synthesis heals every ally in the room. Not sure if the healed amount is 50% of your own health or if it's calculated for each individual pokemon though.
>>24717714
Stunfisk is actually good in this game, he learns Discharge and Muddy Water. I like using him because I enjoy having a fuck ugly pokemon destroy everything.
Holy shit it's possible for enemies to do an alliance too
Is there a quest that's guaranteed to give a water looplet? I have a ton of stat boosters I want to use.
>>24718105
Cobalion.
>>24718105
It's from the dungeon with Cobalion in.
So is it recommended to upgrade my stats first before I use the Water Looplet trick to give stats to the other members?
Ampharos is z bit of a dick for not telling most of the expedition society they were going on a trip to fight Entei. I mean it was smart but could have gotten you and your partner killed had they not gone super saiy...... Oh shit Ampharos is Goku.
>>24718106
>>24718108
Fuck. How terrifying is the dungeon?
>>24718118
Assemble a team with yourself, partner and a third you don't give a shit about, use the third to throw
>>24718120
They weren't on a trip to fight Entei. Entei's just a faggot.
>>24718122
I beat it before theVoidlands.
You just gotta be determined.
buizel is cute
>>24718136
I want tomake sweet platonic love withBuizel.
>>24718142
Y-you can't do such things with a senpai!
who /this theme/ here???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQNUP9cblc
>>24718126
Entei is great shut up
What's the best charizard moves?
Unsure about flamethrower after range nerf.
>>24718149
I am still trying to figure what I am supposed to feel when I listen to this song. It is a bit sad and happy at the same time so in the end I end up feeling melancholic.
>>24718155
he's a big nerd and my husbando could beat him up
I only now got a good look at the dinner scene.
Are... Are all the dishes made of apples?
>Rayquaza
>Sunkern
bye everyone
![rhyperior_by_drunk_tropius-d7bk9y7[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/id0d9KI.png "rhyperior by drunk tropius-d7bk9y7[1]")
you have 10 seconds to name a better teammate than rhyperior
>STAB drill run to back you up from the rear
>STAB earthquake (or earth power if you're a pussy) to clear the room
>STAB cock blast to fuck up individual targets
>STAB rock MOTHERFUCKING wrecker
>can learn a buttload of long-reaching elemental attacks to fill out your party's coverage
>balk as fuck, solid rock makes SE attacks tickle
there is literally no reason not to run this badass
>>24718237
not cute ergo garbage
>>24718237
>not mentioning shoedrip
>Shedinja has more than 1 HP
>Still has Wonder Guard
I-Is it worth it?
Do you just have to talk with the shopkeepers a lot for them to join you, or do you need to use their services as well?
>>24718226
Those aren't any regular apples, those are Perfect Apples
>>24718251
Literally only good for fightingMewtwo.
>>24718251
Yeah just use all your +hp items like Sitrus Berries on him, he can eventually become invincible
I've only ranked up once, and am only as far asThe expedition society going on an adventure together. If it happens more than once, this is the first time.Am I not far enough for dungeons to give gold bars or am I just not exploring enough? I have 7 of them and two came from boxes. The other 5 were fromranking up to normal rank
do all HP-affecting stuff not affect bosses? since Endeavor/Quarter Wand didn't work, i assume Pain Split wouldn't either
>>24718272
you just gotta be lucky with sparkling tiles, i guess
>>24718301
Payback Emera worked against the Poliwag in the Poliwrath Brothers fight.
Am I just not understanding how Excavation Looplet works? Is it supposed to make more sparkle tiles appear in dungeons? Make them more visible? I just don't see any difference since equipping it.
>oh goddammit it's the explorers skuntank, maybe i'll be able to beat up team skull at least
>koffing requests that i come to his secret base
>aw yeah this is gonna be the kind where i fight his allies, yeah
>standard monster house
Why did they even fucking bother
They could have just died in brine cave
>>24718343
>wanting to beat up the only good characters in Explorers
Why are the legendary doges fucking assholes? Especially Raikou?
>>24718381
Keep playing and you'll see.
thank you anon who mentioned Curse does 576 damage to Mewtwo, used that strat and beat him rather easily... unlike Regigigas (but then again i wasn't really prepared lol)
>>24718332
Am I the only one with this issue? Been asking for 3 threads now. Surely someone knows or has noticed its effects.
>>24718005
Wait do plain seeds actually do something besides waste space?
>>24718426
Use Recycle on them and they turn into a different item.
I've never played a mystery dungeon game and I've been hearing how good this one is. I've looked into the starters you can play as but can you play as any other pokemon later? Or are you stuck with the one you pick.
Ssh baby ssh, post your preset teams. I just have one at the moment, Rotom-W/Victini/Minccino. Got tm's, just need levels.
>>24718432
You can only bring the starters to story dungeons, but you'll get guests that help you there. Outside of the story, you can use any Pokemon you recruit and freely change leaders mid-dungeon.
>>24718426
If you have them in your bag while in a dungeon with a Pokemon that has the move Recycle, it will change the seeds into something else.
>>24718432
You can play as literally any Pokemon you recruit.
The only thing is you're forced to use your starter/partner in the plot-related dungeons. Other than that, anything goes.
are there 99f dungeons in this game
>>24718446I know the one with Arceus is 99 floors.
>>24718351
I don't see what that has to do with fightingWigglytuff
Alright, here is a guide for Secret Bases that I'm sure will help a lot of people who are unaware of what they are getting into.
Checklist:
1. A Guiding Wand
2. Common Sense
3. Good Judgement
Alright, Step 1: Who's base is it?
Is it an inherently evil-looking or mischievous Pokemon? Then it's probably a monster house.
Step 2: Where are the stairs? This is where the guide wand comes in. If the stairs are in an extremely large room, then it's a monster house. Are the stairs in a small room? Then you are in for many friendships and good times.
Hope this helped.
Is it possible to switch to a new main pokemon in the postgame? Or will they just keep being busy every few dungeons?
>>24718462
additionally, just to be safe: if the stairs is in a small room, get there, leave someone next to the stairs and go visit the secret base. if it's a monster house, just switch to the teammate you left behind.
Just finished the game last night. Did they have M. Night Shamalayan right the plot or something? GOAT final boss fight though.
>>24718473
Stairs have to be in the monster house secret base in order for it to work. Therefore, if the base doesn't have stairs, then it's safe.
how long did it take you to find roserade and give her gallade's letter? she didn't show up until the epilogue for me.
>>24718462
here's a better guide
1) bring a petrify orb
2) do whatever the fuck you want
>>24718488
>enemy used uproar!
>pokemons are no longer petrified!
>mfw I realizedeach Pokemon in your party has their own Belly stat, and if your leader is hungry you can just switch to someone with a full belly
>>24718484
Untrue. I've experienced at least two where the stairs were outside of the secret base, though I believe they were no further than the next room over. Maybe the key is just being close by.
Can some kind soul rescue me?
I'm always too stingy with healing myself.
This has been answered to death already but are there references to the past games like Rescuers and Explorers?
If so, do Pokemon like Dialga remember that it was nearly screwed over by Temporal Tower shenanigans, etc?
If you could go the PMD world as any Pokemon, who would you choose?
>>24718538
Noivern, hands down.
>>24717945
>Do you believe in two minds working as one?
>Me or moi...?
>Who's controlling this body? Hahaha!I think they're fucking with us
Okay so what is the point of the Water Looplet? I never really throw items anyway.
>>24718538
Chespin, Shinx, Cinccino, or Emolga. I honestly couldn't decide.
Do you think we'll get a bunch of remixes of the final boss track like we did explorers? Music is already 10/10, though.
>>24718538
drifloon
>spend my days traveling by drifting lazily on the wind
>can fly and phase through walls
>unburden turns any mon into a demigod
>above average in cuteness
>>24718538
Sandslash or Quilava tbqh.
>>24718549
you can use it to throw stat boosters through two teammates
>>24718538
Still chespin
>>24718533
where you at
>>24718537
probably, haven't gotten to the point where i encounter Dialga
>All these post game Emeras
Jesus christ, and I thought Type Bulldozer was broken.
>>24718533
On it
>>24718571
8F of sheer mountain range
So why do they give you a level 50 so early?
What would you rate SMD?
I give it an honest 10/10. This shit is making me feel like a little kid again senpai. So fucking awesome.
>>24718422
It makes them appear somewhere in the range of 50-100% more, I've gotten 4 sparkle tiles in a single room before
Tfw I have all the time in the world to play psmd
>Work at the airport parking lot
>Shift is always 12:00-7:30 am
>No one comes through at that time of night
>I literally get paid to sit in a cozy booth
>Boss is okay with playing vidya
>Some employees even bring their tv and ps4 for the over night shift
This is gonna be a good time.
>>24718586
It's a solid 8/10. Plot could use some work, and so could the post-game and Pokemon recruitment mechanics. That aside, It's a great improvement over Gates and I'd highly recommend it to any fans of the series who were burnt by GtI.
>>24718590
Ah ok, thank you. Probably just a streak of bad luck then.
>>24717194
This GLORIOUS motherfucker
>>24718600
It depends on the dungeon, some of the easy ones barely have any sparkle tiles in them
you will definitely notice it in the harder dungeons
>>24717194
*pant* *pant*
>>24717925
Nigga Dialga appears during the main story just like every other legendary
>>24718572
have you seen Better Odds and Ally Reviver? shit's goddamn broken lmao
probably Better Odds + OHKO moves or Confusion Guard + Barrage + Outrage is like up there lol
just got to the part whereyou fight entei and temporarily evolve
how much more of the main story is there? like how many dungeons?
zangoose has a cute butt
>>24718590
>>24718599
I'd say 7/10 rather than 8/10, but considering I skipped Gates after trying the demo, I wasn't expecting for the next game to go full-throttle in the complete opposite direction. The plot needs work, the setting needs work, and the recruitment mechanics really feel weird and disconnected (pun not intended but helps to illustrate my point) from the rest of the setting, but if you're into a fuck-your-ass-hard roguelike it's a good time.
>>24718538
Snorlax
>big so no confusion I'm a kid
>someone I don't like fucking with me I can Mega Punch them aside
>STAB Body Slam
>gimmick is being a giant sleeping fatass
>bunch of people fucking with me I just release an earthquake and fuck them up
>>24718647
A lot. there are22 chapterstotal.
>>24718647
about a third of it is left, but most of the game's content is in the postgame. The main story only takes about 20 hours, but the postgame can take 40+
>>24718486
Fore me she was literally a few feet away in the cafe
>>24718660
Much appreciated
>>24718608
Same.
So qt.
>>24718488
Doesn't always work. Some Pokemon will shrug Petrification off due to their ability. Then your teammates attack said Pokemon and then attack everything else under the sun.
My Treecko is lv 20 and im just starting to find gold bars.
Should I just get the energy ball tm now or will I be learning it via level up any time soon?
>Spawn into a dungeon.
>Large room.
>Safe guard followed by earthquake instantly, wipe before I can get a hit in.
Fair and balanced.
>>24718707
Your fault for not carrying orbs.
Finally beat postgame.
I have trust issues now.
>>24718715
Trust nobody.Not even yourself.
>>24717098
Not reading the thread to avoid spoilers
Can anyone tell me how does this game hold up to the very first one (the only other one I played.)
>>24718701
If it uses OR/AS move sets you won't get it for another 30 levels. Use this code for a free tm 45QSPHF4
>>24718720
>very first one
You mean Rescue Team? This game is leagues better.
So what're the clouds above water continent?
>>24718713
Different anon here.
Part of me wants to say that you're right, since carrying orbs and using the Look Around function would make some sense, but part of me also understands where the anon's coming from, since my first instinct in dungeons is to walk around a little and get my bearings that way. It's why the Golem and Magnitude in the Electric Wasteland keep fucking me over, because I often spawn in big rooms with one or two Golem in them and I get buttfucked almost immediately. Plus, I don't have many orbs, so I don't want to use them so freely, and grinding orbs sounds like a test of patience.
I really wish they had zoomed the camera out more compared to Gates. Like, I get the game's 3D now and maybe zooming the camera out would require lower details to keep it running smoothly, but zooming it in close feels like the wrong way to go about things.
The Perfect Apple mentions that it increases Belly capacity. Is this a permanent effect, or just until the end of a dungeon?
>>24718721
Woah thanks! is there more wonder mail???
Is it alright to wand cheese my way through mystery jungle at level 26, or will it unleash a storyline that I will be drastically under-leveled to do?
>>24718772
http://pastebin.com/BhaBVj73
>>24718772
http://www.cpokemon.com/2015/11/24/todas-las-contrasenas-wonder-mail-de-pokemon-super-mystery-dungeon/
Have fun spending 30 minutes typing this shit in
>>24718778
Go for it, the game prioritizes item usage over levels.
>>24717194
All the minor NPCs in Lively Town are pretty cool.
>>24718781
Thanks, time to abuse the hell out of guiding wands, petrifies, and stay aways, then.
>>24718781
Damn I dont want to ruin the game by over using these.
I'll probably steer clear until I reach the epilogue.
What level should I be in to take on the Sand Dune of Spirits level, the one with Xatu?
>>24718808
Mid-high 20s is fine, just remember ITEMS exist, and they will HELP you.
>tfw trying to get the treasure from world tree
>Chesping, Froakie, Mew, Hoopa
>Hoopa faints
>Mew faints
>Froakie faints
>start panicking
>barely make it to the treasure with the use of my wands
Post game really is intense. Fucking hell, last few floors were constant monster houses and I spent it all running for my life.
>>24718808
If you bring petrify wands, guiding wands, and stay away wands, your level doesn't matter, you can get through it without risking it by fighting anyone.
Who else is just running through every town each day to get new connections?
>>24718834
Guilty
So do you get doubles of the starters you picked? If I went with Totodile/Chespin for example, is there another Totodile and Chespin you can recruit at all? Or do you really lose access to the base forms if you decide to evolve?
Are stat increases set per level or are they random?
>>24718851
Yes, there's another copy of your starter/partner that acts like a generic.
The benefit of using your starter/partner over them is that they're never busy, unlike the generics which will go away for certain days.
>>24718834
I'm doing it and hating myself for it
>>24718834
Oh, yeah. just hit 360.
>>24718851
No, you can encounter more of some of the base stages. I think some even have more than just a double.If you evolve all of them, though, then of course you do
>>24718751
End of Dungeon. It's +50 to max. Hard cap on belly size is 200, btw.
>>24718723
Thanks
>>24718874
welp, then that's kinda useless.
Well I just got destroyed by the monster house in the rotom mission. Apparently Enemies can evolve now? a Wishcash started one shotting me with magnitude
>Two Castforms in the same big room
>One has Rain Dance the other has Hail
>Each step I take they keep using those moves and changing the weather
>>24718971
If an enemy KO's one of your Pokemon (including escorts) and you cannot revive them, they evolve.
Wait until you start running into Vibrava...
>>24718971
Enemies can evolve in dungeons since GtI.
>>24718874
>>24718751
Is there a way for a permanent Belly increase?
I guess I'll ask here.
Does anyone know if there is going to be a Black Friday or Cyber Monday deal for Super Mystery Dungeon? I know its pretty new so its not likely to have a deal but I figured why not look so I can save a couple bucks.
>>24718991
Vibrava and Shelgon, man. Fucking dragons.
So /vp/, how much money do you take with you into a dungeon in case you run into Kekleon?
>>24719000
Don't count on it
>>24719031
>not stealing from him
>>24718996
Maybe Golden Apple, haven't tried it
>>24719000
>Nintendo games ever going on sale
>>24718991
I wish I knew that sooner because I could have revived them,I just didn't want to until I got out of there.
>I want to talk about the preciousness of having friends.
Empoleon confirmed for Ike.
>>24719053
>le "i fight for my friends!" smash meme
fuck off back to /v/
Rate the final boss music
Super > Sky > Gates > Rescue Team
>>24719061
Holy shit nigger did you really get assblasted so hard by that
>>24719064
Switch Gates and Rescue Team and you've got mine.
>>24719064
Gates > Super > Sky > Rescue Team
>>24719064
Sky > Super > Rescue Team > Gates
Is Sky worth going back to if I already played Time?
Oh wow you even get double expedition points from bringing motivated Pokemon, I thought it was only exp at first.
>>24719064
Super > Sky > Gates > Rescue Team
I honestly didn't think they could outdo Dialga's Fight to the Finish. I was thoroughly impressed.
>>24719103
Sky is literally Time + Darkness + More.
>>24719093
>gates that low
didn't know it was possible to have shit taste like that
>>24719103
Special Episode 5 is pretty fucking good.
>>24719064
Gates Phase 2>Super phase 1>Sky>gates 1>Super 2>Rescue
Super phase 2 seems a bit confused and lacking direction. Still, all of them are great except maybe Rescue Team's
>>24719103
eh not really, it has a lot more content but you would have to go through 30 hours of the same shit first
>>24719111
Nigga, it's just not as empowering and catchy as the others.
>>24719043
>tfw getting a set of pokemon games for $15 each on black friday
I wonder if any of the old humans and partners are mentioned..
>>24719124
If anything, it's the catchiest. It's got a nice beat, especially at the start. Are you sure you've heard it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiDtza06wgE
So I just started and there's this part where they ask you to tell your partner if they're annoying or not and I swore I said she wasn't but they're going on about how she feels bad because i told her she was annoying
Did I hit the wrong thing or is that just part of the narrative?
>>24718851
>So do you get doubles
>>24719122
>
>>24719133
I played Gates on release. It just doesn't stick to me.
OPINIONS, MAN.
>RT
>pick different mon to control for postgame
>the main character basically gets evicted and has to fuck off to some field/river/swamp
>he just wanted to hang out with his partner
Surely they just do offscreen
>>24719145
Welcome to PMD.
>>24719151
I punch your opinion.
Why were the story dungeons so small? The ones in Rescue Team got huge by the end and gave it an extra challenge with item management.
>>24719166
Because it's so much harder just to clear two floors.
>>24719166
You truly want to go through 20 floors of
>Vibrava used Earthquake!
Does Lapras reference anything from Explorers? Or is there a different Lapras that does that?
>>24719103
From someone who wasn't all that big on Explorers, the special episodes are by far the best part of the game.
>>24719067
it's a fucking stupid meme; ike only says that like once in fire emblem: path of radiance.
I know this game series isn't the bestbut it ended up my favorite video game series and I always get more excited for new PMD games than other games. Do I have shit taste?
I need to know before I bother downloading it:
Is SPMD worth it?
>>24719040
Can confirm it doesn't work. Ate it on a full belly, increased my cap to 150. Finished dungeon, went to a new dungeon and it was back at 100.
>>24719173
Chill.
>>24719103
The only thing I dislike about sky is there not being a special episode where you don't lose your memory. Would be better than 5.
>>24719146
Hah! Shit
>Got Gates for a cheap price to tide me over until Super comes out in Europe.
You guys told me it was shit. I'm actually liking it so far. The pokemon sure repeat a lot, but I think the paradise feature, v-wave and move levelling helps break the samey gameplay the series has. Also had a stronger first half story wise compared to Explorers since the cast of characters is smaller, and as a result, more focused. Just got called by Munna to meet her. I'm guessing this is when the story really kicks off, right?
>>24719177I'm the same way anon. I'd take a good PMD game over a main series game any day.
>>24719178
>downloading
>>24719153
Wait, was Shinx really a starter option in Explorer?
I honestly don't remember.
>>24718858
So I can keep my cute scarf AND whoop out the expanded moveset when I need to? Nice.
>>24719192
It's not shit, it's just worse than the other games.I enjoy it a lot anyways, shit's weird
>>24719202
Only in Sky
>>24719202
Shinx is the only starter u dummy.
>>24719178
Depends. Are you more into the dungeon-crawling, powergamey side of the roguelike genre, foregoing the quality of the story and setting for a more traditional, painfully punishing Mystery Dungeon experience? Then yeah, you'll probably enjoy this game.
Are you more into the Pokemon side of things, like nicknaming, creating a close-knit team, and generally feeling like a real part of a Pokemon community that has some actual stakes and setup to it, and while you enjoy the roguelike gameplay, you'd rather not have it be too painful? Then no, probably not.
>>24719199
not him but
>eshop
>>24719196Yeah, these games really scratch an itch for me
>>24719203
>So I can keep my cute scarfit disappears after you get your partner back in the epilogue
Fuck off Cofagrigus, I know you're in this thread. I'm not parting with the Jew gold.
>>24719204
To be honest, I'm enjoying it more than Rescue Team, mostly because everything Rescue Team did, Explorers did better. Gates, while weaker than Explorers, does offer me things Explorers doesn't.
>>24719217
KILLING SELF
>>24719222I like Rescue Team more than Explorers, not for the story or scale, but because there are less minor annoyances
>>24719217That actually made me sad. They were cute.
>>24719210
So if I liked EoS for the combat and exploration more than the story, I'll like it?
>>24719177
Sky is the best pokemon gameif not my favorite game period, if the guides i've done are anything to go by
I like how evolution is more a matter of taste, and if you want to never evolve, you can play just fine without doing that, since most of my favorites are unevolved
Can you cheese those dungeons that you need a mission escort to open the door for the stairs to a new dungeon? Like with a tunnel wand or a rotom phasing through the wall
>>24719222
That's kind of the weird thing about Gates, to me anyway. The gameplay was stripped down enough to make me feel bored, and the story's first impressions are what made me not buy it at all, but the actual side-stuff, the things Chunsoft did that weren't part of the dungeon-crawling, were actually really cool. Building up your Paradise, the V-wave and all that business were really interesting additions, especially Paradise - building and customizing your own base felt like the natural direction to go in for the series, since it's kind of a perfect fit. You always end up with a base anyway, so why not allow the player to customize what the base is and does in accordance with their playstyle?
The problem with that... being that the crawling itself was so stripped down that playstyles didn't actually matter too much anymore, lol. It's really too bad, because if they'd just added the base-customization and other stuff and left the core parts of Explorers untouched (except make it take less gummis to get IQ skills obviously), Gates probably would have been hugely successful.
Alright, I am sick of dying.
Where do I grind?
>>24719243
If Sky had a few of the adjustments the super has, I can easily see in destroying every other mystery dungeon.
>Add L opening a move selection
>Add Emera-like items
>Let you freely choose team members
>Ease of sharing qr codes
>Going to Island of Isolation with Shedinja, Spiritomb, and Sableye all in their 30's
>Cheese it with Curse and Heal Block
>>24719238
Well I guess that also depends, but yes, you may like it. Did you prefer EoS' difficulty curve and progression of stuff like levels, IQ and things? Because Super does away with most of that in favor of lower stats, slower leveling and generally a heavier focus on using items and situation avoidance rather than a long-term sense of progression. Your characters in Super never get all that much stronger unless you buy tons of statups with gold bars; the game's a lot more about testing your skill and ability to guide your weak, wetpaper Pokemon through dungeons where everything can take you out in two to three hits.
>>24719260
Get together Ampharos and whatever other high level mons you have, go to a harder dungeon on Pelliper Island, and start fighting. Be sure to get Discharge.
>>24719262
If you tap X twice in Sky you go right to move selection. Not as fast as it is now, but still. The other stuff, yeah those would be neat to have, lord knows taking a pic of the password gets time consuming.
>>24719253
Coming from someone who thinks the core gameplay of PMD is just serviceable as opposed to good, some of the stuff they stripped away I didn't mind much. IQ was super grindy and belly didn't add much except for 'bring a couple of apples,' but the features outside the dungeons themselves were good distractions from gameplay I never got too much into anyway.
Also helps that I went in with low expectations. It's flawed, but pretty solid.
Story also has the strongest first half of the first three PMDs (though weaker than the special episodes), which is solely down to the characters outside the main two getting some much needed attention. Didn't like the guild outside of Sky's episodes. It's a bit corny, but it's working well enough so far, and the partner's very likeable if a little bland.
Though like I said, I went in expecting it to be a bleh game, so it's probably why I'm being kind to it.
Has anyone actually done Meowth's dungeon filming thing? What the fuck can you do with that?
>>24719283
It's pretty self explanatory, anon.
I wish there were rare wands with unlimited uses with cooldown.
Something like 3 uses per every X moves.
idk I just want the same sensation as finding a rare cool sword in a dungeon crawler.
>>24719286
What ELSE can you do with it, I mean.
anyone in the mood for being helpful, its thanksgiving after all.
also if you have any game tips in general other than item spam that would be great
>>24719293
Nothing, I guess? It's a side feature.
>>24719170
>>24719170
Guys?
>>24719274
A cool project would be getting mystery dungeon fans in vp together to make a list of improvements and implementing them to a romhacked version of sky that we can play together with.
>>24719295
Item spam has always been the way to beat PMD without trying.
>>24719267
So they literally took out the best parts and chucked in 3 times as much of the worst aspects?
>>24719303
>PMD
>romhack
I hope you enjoy everything crashing if you get 1 thing wrong
They are not made to be easily modifiable
>>24719308
It'sfun
Got the game opening day, but haven't been able to play through the whole game yet. Just got to the part where my partner and Ihead off to Lively Town. How much of the main story do I have left?
>>24719324
Wow dude, you are fucking way far behind.
>>24719324
You're around halfway there.
>>24719324
About 60%
>>24719327
Sorry for having work like a real human being
>>24719329
>>24719332
thanks m80s
>>24719315
Then make one from the ground up ;>
>if only making games was that straight forward
I did spend a good chunk of my life making a shitty pokemon mmo (just like everyone else who had rpg maker) :p
What's with the shining Pokemon in the connection orb? I can see a Beartic in one of these shining spots but I don't get the importance of this.
>>24719278
Fair enough, hah. I was very, very unkind to Gates back during its release, but as the years have gone by I've come to appreciate it as a flawed game with some good ideas.
For me I've always found the gameplay in Explorers to be the closest to perfect that the series has gotten, and the flaws it does have are minor ones that could have easily been fixed. IQ was really grindy in Explorers due to the increased EXP curve, while Rescue Team had a much more sensible IQ curve that they should have stayed with, and while I've never been the type to recruit 'em all, increasing the recruit rate as a whole would have been nice for those who do prefer it. Belly is something I've never minded, simply because I'm used to it in other roguelikes (Crawl, for instance) and I've never had troubles with it. It might not add much aside from "bring a couple apples", but I think Super and Etrian's solution of "let you switch leaders and they all have their own Bellies" makes much more sense as a way to tweak it. Gates feels too simplistic for me by comparison, and Super's a great roguelike, but I feel like it's so much of a roguelike that it undermines the rest of the game.
I think Gates' story is pretty good, but for me it feels less nuanced than Explorers, both in terms of dialogue and in terms of some other things. Like, the partner meeting you and immediately opening up about their dream has always bugged me, since Explorers had the partner be reserved and only open up after you help them in Beach Cave, which is more common sense-ible. Alongside other things that went on during the demo, I never got my attention really grabbed. Plus, fair warning for you, it's going to get cornier. Expect a lot of blatant, unsubtle hammering-in of the theme of the game, particularly during the end. It got kind of tiring when I watched a playthrough, and I mean tired-despite-just-watching.
I do wanna play it now that I beat Super, though.
Just stole from Kecleon for the first time in this game, probably wasn't worth it but losing two reviver seeds didn't hurt me much. Expected to make a clean escape after eating the pure seed but I got surrounded by three of them instantly.
>>24719334
Ive played this game at work more than at home. Thank arceus for my boring ass job.
>>24719345
Also, uh, sorry for the long-ass post. Have a picture.
>>24719337
You know what? I could.I'm very experienced with Game Maker: Studio and own the Professional edition, and I can compose music
I'd just need art assets. And if I could, I'd want to try to work in 3D, even though I haven't done much in that area, and don't think there's anything for 3D animations in GM:S yet.It'd never get finished, probably.
>>24719304
oh i know, in darkness every boss was a joke because the x-eye seed existed.
For this one though, I'm having more difficulty going through the dungeon than the actual boss fights. I'm wondering if maybe I'm too low level, but It takes forever to level up, or maybe it's scaled or something idk..
>4 sparkles
>1 sitrus berry
>3 gold bars
Hey, the looplet's paying off
>>24719340
They unlock new dungeons when you beat their mission.
>>24719345
Explorers's problem as a story was the characters. The plot was tighter than Gates from what I can tell, but I found it hard to get too invested since I can't point to any character and say 'That's a great character.'
Again, Special episodes fix this.
Gates partner was always pretty upbeat and open, but I thought the scene where he opens up why he felt as though he had to be that way was pretty good. Kind of disappointing that he already went through his development before the game even began, because if he didn't, he'd be by far the best partner of the first 3 games.
Also,Shit just got real. When can I kick this treacherous backstabbing bitch in the face? The dramatic dungeon music and being forced to be on your own for the first time in a story mission is delicious.
>>24719386
It wasnt just the characters, it was the dialouge as well
Its like they made the characters for toddlers
>Heart Lake
Jesus christ i'm on floor 17/29, all out of apples, and the layout is driving me nuts. I hate the long hallway layout with a burning passion
>>24719410
How did you even get that far?
>>24719386Soon enough
>>24719361
Im really good at not finishing games!
Not trying to derail the thread but if you want to hit me up for future projects, go ahead. I'd love to do a pokemon fan game. :^)
http://sky-burial.deviantart.com/
>>24719412
Pure luck. The game tosses me an apple every now and again. Plus wands have been helpful
>>24719417
Are you sure you'd want to do 8+ animations each of 721 pokemon, plus portraits? :^) Seriously, that's the biggest problem with making a PMD fan game.
>>24719407
As opposed to the Wigglytuff guild just spouting verbal tics over and over again?
Gates's main dialogue problem is how it parrots everything to hell and back. Instead of saying 'I want to see the Great Glacier, want to come with me?' 'Sure, let's go!' it says something like
'You see that? That's the great Glacier. I want to go to the Great Glacier'
'What? You want to go to the Great Glacier?'
'Yes, I want to go to the great Glacier. Do you want to go to the Great Glacier?'
'Do I want to go to the Great Glacier? Of course I want to go to the Great Glacier!'
'Let's all go to the Great Glacier!'
Terrible word efficiency. You could cut half the words out and still get the same message across to the player.
>>24719352
This is the best.
>>24719386
That... huh. Actually, a few other folks I know on other sites have discussed this recently too, and that actually seems to be the big make-or-break point. One person outright loathes the Explorers story (!?) because of the slow start and the fact that she didn't find any of the characters likeable. Somehow.
I think for me it's simply the feeling of being a part of the guild and slowly getting to know different facets and things that helped me enjoy it. None of the guildmates are too-super-rounded (SEs aside), but their interactions are a lot of fun and help endear me to them. And you do get a little moment with all of them: Loudred and Diglett get the sentry duty, Bidoof of course is recurring, Sunflora and Chimecho cheer you up after Apple Woods, Croagunk in general is pretty snide if you take the time to talk to him, etc. And, well, Wigglytuff and Chatot need no introduction.
Plus, since the gameplay never holds you back in a lot of ways, you don't start to get irritated with them. That's what killed Super for me: I liked the Village (a lot, actually), but it took so long to join the Society and actually get involved with the main plot that I stopped liking the Village because of how much time I was stuck there.
>>24719407
What? That's crazy talk, anon, if anything it's the dialogue in Gates and Super that feels less honed. There are glimmers of things here and there, and certain moments are really funny (Shelmet hitting on Audino, for instance), but overall the dialogue in Gates and Super feels much more rounded off and less 'crisp', if that makes sense.
![tumblr_n70jfanPjA1re1qkwo1_500[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/GENxQFR.png "tumblr n70jfanPjA1re1qkwo1 500[1]")
>about to attempt lake of enlightenment with a motivated team
wish me luck
>>24719417
>>24719444
Forgot to add,that, plus I have my own video game project I'm procrastinating
What's the best stat booster to spend my gold bars on?
>>24719469
Vitamins for important stats.
>>24719461
I get you man, I make a living doing contract work for small games. The struggle to work on personal/fan work is real.
What's the difference between a shining apple and a non-shining one?
>>24719479
shining sells for more in kecleon shop, but other than that nothing.
>get second rainbow TM from red box
>Rain Dance
>mfw
>>24719479
Sell the fresh ones for 100 gold each
>>24719454
Oh, and I mean rounded off and less crisp in terms of personality. It might not be for everyone, but Wigglytuff's Guild spouting catchphrases helped to establish their personalities, and the rest of their dialogue during story events and whenever you just talked to them when they were wandering around helped to make them feel more interesting to me.
>>24719445
This thing about Gates also stands, too. Combine it with the slow text speed and you have a big pain on your hands.
>>24719477
Still, I'd actually start on one if I had the art assets to do so.tileset rips from previous games are terrible and I wouldn't use them
>>24719469
git buff
>>24719476
Are the cookies and doughnuts and shit that unreliable?
>>24719491
+1 to stats as opposed to +2, it only pays off if you bought a cookie and got 2 or 3 stats up
>"Revive the fainted Omanyte!"
>It fainted right next to an apple
>>24719454
What would have made Explorers's story drastically better and indisputably the best in the series is if the guild felt more like characters instead of all this gimmicky 'yup yups' and 'hey heys!' and, most importantly, if the guild actually did more.
There was only two instances where a guild member joined you in a dungeon. There should have been much, much more of that. Maybe we can learn more about them if a guild member or two went with you on most of the story mission to really make it feel like a team effort, not to mention seeing how they fight and stuff also adds to a character in PMD. Instead, they just kind of stood there and didn't do much at all, and when you spend over half the game with them, it's a huge problem.
Starting to realise the irony of essentially saying 'These characters are weak, therefore, we should see more of them.'
>>24719497
Alright thanks. Just have to figure out what stats to boost
>>24719503
Granted, the candies can boost HP, which vitamins can't.
>all those connection lines from the gastrodon mission
fug
>>24719445
Son i was talking about skys dialouge being trash
Alright so I tried rescuing myself using alakazam, t-tar, and salamence and got curb stomped.
Are dungeons in this game scaled now? cuz i was able to make it farther with my regular lvl 20 team than a bunch of 50s
>>24719454
Dude the fucking dialouge in explorers is literally "i evil i destroy world unga"
"No bunga i good i no scared i save world"
"Wow hunga i wan apple now dunga give apple now"
Its a fucking joke, take off your god damned nostalgia googles
Theres not even a single good character in the explorer games outside of dusknoir
Fucking Shadow the Hedgehog had better characters like holy shit man
>>24719295
On it
>>24719527
Where's my DAMN fourth perfect apple, Chatot?!
>>24719527
>being this mad
postan them cheat codes. For Camelot!
http://pastebin.com/WRCppL2D
>>24719531
appreciate it very much
>>24719502
Ironic it might be, but there's no denying that you're right. I love Explorers to bits - maybe too much; it helped me through a dark time so I have a 'little' bias - but I can definitely say that if the characters had done more with you, then I think they would have come off better in the main game. Bidoof's Wish, Sunflora and Loudred, and the Graduation test were good ways to do that, but of course only one of those actually happened in the maingame, and it was postgame.
I mean, I know the main focus is the partner's development in self-confidence and all, but there wasn't anything stopping Bidoof from coming along with you for Drowzee (he did get thrown for a loop when you just ran out on him, but still). Or, like, a guild member could have gone with you into the Foggy Forest. That really would have helped to clinch things together, yeah.
Gates and Super did fix that, of course, but Super is... flawed, and for Gates I think the weaker focus hampered it. Though to be honest, I kind of preferred the gimmicky heyheys and yupyups to Gates' characters. Not that Gates' charas are bad, not at all, but the whole "most of the town is a dick" thing puts me off of them. I know "everyone let's stop being dicks" is part of the whole story, and being put off by them is the point, but it still... put me off.
>>24719527
>>24719538
LIKE TAKING A PERFECT APPLE FROM A BABY
WHICH IS FINE BY ME
>the protein missed
Anything I can do to prevent this?
>splash actually does something in this game
OH FUCK
>>24719554
Not unless y-
Wait a second, can you do Water Looplet WITH Lock-On?
>>24719546
Bidoof was excellent in his episode. Kind of wish he was the partner instead since there was a couple of times I thought 'I'm an alien with amnesia here in a foreign body. I've got way more reason to be afraid, so man up would you?!' Whereas Bidoof's perseverance in spite of not being very good really endeared me, especially when it culminated with facing off against Jirachi.
Gates seems to forget 'show, don't tell' a lot. I'm fine with the 'everyone's a dick, let's stop them from being dicks' story, even if it's kind of a corny set up, but they really aren't showing it to well. Post Town just seems to go how a normal town does - some good guys, some assholes, mostly in between. Doesn't seem like a place that needs to be cheered up all that much. For it to work, they'd pretty much need to make the majority of the population criminals or something like that.Also, he's just as cute as he is in Pokemon Amie. Too early to judge, but he's like Grovyle if he had a personality.
>>24719554
Couldn't you theoretically spam an accuracy-boosting move like Hone Claws before throwing the vitamins? I haven't tried it myself, but I was going to do it the next time I get huge considering the time I missed BOTH starters with a Calcium.
>>24719583
>>24719565
Bumping because i'm curious to know if this shit works
What's after rank Gold?
>>24719578
I like Bidoof a lot, especially since his perseverance is really reflected in gameplay. It's really easy to faint as him (his whole episode plays sorta like Super, actually), but just like he does, you gotta persevere and eventually you will be able to clear Star Cave, which is nice.
For me I think the partner is great on their own anyway, but like I said, it helped me through a dark time. The Partner was a lot like me when I played through it, so in a sense 'we' both helped each other through our development. Replaying Sky earlier this year and seeing a lot of little development touches shown really helped cinch it for me, too.
That's kind of what I understand about Gates too, really. You're not the first person to mention the show-don't-tell thing, and you're right in that when I actually wandered around Demo Post Town, it seemed... pretty bog-standard. Like, the construcion-Urrs were twerps, and Scraggy was a twerp (but how did he even take the stones without us noticing? Like, did we keep them in a bag we don't see on the 3d models? Did the partner just carry them and drop them (and if so how dumb must he be to not notice he dropped them)), but overall the townsmons seemed mostly normal. It really doesn't seem like it's in all that much trouble, and I think that... actually, that might be the real reason I was put off. I remember thinking clearly to myself "this town seems really basic" when I played, even though I was told that it was a "dick" place. The mixed messages made it hard to really get invested in either the town or what the town was supposed to be.
I think saying he's Grovyle with a personality is a little harsh, but then again, I'vewritten fics including Grovylebefore, so maybe I need to keep playing my Sky replay and double-check. Hyd is a really great character for sure, though, arguably one of the most endearing to me.
>>24719603
Serebii
Holy fuck I did it, I cleared Heart Lake. This is obviously just a warning of the hell i'll have to go through later.
>>24718538
Probably flygon
>Can fly
>Has hands
>Motherfucking dragon
>>24719603
Gold-er
>>24719655
Nice
>hahaha... you came all this way just to take my lightning?
raikou pls
Fuck I just got my ass handed to me by Regigiggas
>>24719578
>>24719619
I can't say I remember anything about the populace intended to be dicks; I thought it was about despair pervading everyone's hearts, and it seemed reasonably bleak before you and your partner came to turn everyone around. Scraggy and company being assholes seemed more one expression of the bleakness, not the model for what was fueling the plot.
>"Tauros is on this floor. It's pumped!"
>one attack later
>"Tauros is running for the stairs. Don't let it get away!"
This fucking game, man.
>>24719619
Grovyle was mostly pretty stoic, a little less so in the special episode. It's a pet peeve of mine since if a character doesn't show much emotional investment in what he's/she's doing, then how am I supposed to? Exceptions are made for characters that have a really good reason to have little/no emotion such as Data from Star Trek TNG being an android. Writing was good enough when he showed up for me to forgive it though.>Writing ficsI tried that too. Did a 'remix', of a lack of a better term, of Explorers's story. It's shite, but I had fun with it when I wanted to do something that felt constructive without actually putting any pressure on myself.
If you played Super, how does the plot compare? I heard it was a bit of a hybrid between Explorers and Gates with the first parts being even slower than the other games while the ending is a bit overloaded with plot points, but otherwise pretty good. Is that a fair comment?
I see Shaymin in the cafe every day, and he never wants to join me
>>24719674
The story is pretty good and has a lot of good ideas, but has a lot of plot holes.
>>24719699
It's their most ambitious plot to date. Its high points were the highest in the series, but its lows are pretty low. The partner reflects this - the best developed character in PMD by far, but lets just say that if I was siding with Pancham when he was heckling him, something has went horribly wrong.
>>24719665
I was the one who brought up "everyone is a dick here", so that was probably a bit of a generalization on my part. Still, even if it was supposed to be "everyone's mostly resigned themselves and unhappy", it... didn't really feel like that at all, not even during the demo when I played it.
>>24719674
I'm actually trying to get said Future Trio in Super right now (and getting miserably frustrated each time Whismur doesn't have a connection open yet).
I think calling Grovyle stoic is pretty true enough, but he has a few other traits that are arguable but I tend to think they're well enough. He tends to be stoic, but also reserved; his whole deal is that he doesn't tell anyone what's going on, so he clearly prefers to keep to himself, and he's like that even when you get kidnapped through time, generally being very curt and even kind of rude (but understandably) to you and the partner. It's only when push comes to shove that he actually opens up. Combine that with his Special Episode and I think he ended up well-rounded.
Super's story... well, now that I've calmed down enough to not rant about it, you spend half the game in Serene Village having a lot of gameplay stuff restricted from you, and you only join the Society, start gaining rank points, and actually start investigating the stoned legendaries after the halfway mark. The first half loses momentum after Chapter 6 and from there to Chapter 11 is kind of a drag, and the rest of the game kind of rushes itself and doesn't show enough to set up the scope it wants to. It's still perfectly serviceable, just not great. That's why I like the Big Reveal so much.
It's only after the Big Reveal, with another minor twist during the game's future-gauntlet-equivalent, that everything starts to go off the rails. The logistics get a lot fuzzier, the most uninteresting villain gets introduced, and the spectacle ramps up to try and mask those issues. 3/4 of Super is fine, the last 1/4 is eh.
Am I making a mistake by taking the stairs as soon as I find them instead of searching the rest of the floor?
>Grovyle and Celebi
Wait, does this game take place in Explorer's new future?
>Jirachi is a He
>Celebi is a He
c'mon
>>24719734
Well I mean, they changed history already. Do you see a paralyzed planet anymore?
>>24719734
It's never explained. I like to think that they just got Steins;Gate'd over to the good timeline where the player and partner were (along with the Sableye), so in that case probably?
>>24719739
There's two Celebi you can recruit, anon.
>>24718586
>10
Fuck no. I'd barely give it a 7
7.5 with better usability
8.5 with good writing
9 with a better alternative to the connection
Long thread is long.
>>24719734
I like to think it does. Some of the pokemon from explorer's talk like it's the future. Like how Rampardos talks about how it used to run a box opening shop and how Chansey says it used to run a day care. It's been so long since I've played Rescue Team that I can't even remember most of the teams so if they talk like it's the future I wouldn't notice. I'm sure there were more examples from Explorer's characters though.
>>24718586
8/10, sky getting a 9.5 from meI don't hand out 10's
>>24718586
8.5 for me.
>>24719734
So the bad future isn't actually that far into the future?
either that or pokemon don't die by old age
>>24719720
Different anon, but I'd agree with you. The pacing is really bad even for PMD games. The run up to the finale and the finale itself did something I thought that pokemon would never do - having the plot be overly convoluted and overloaded. I barely had time to feel anything because there was so much plot twists thrown at you. The ending especially fell flat on its arse when at the moment that was supposed to make you feel misty eyed, it threw a bunch of plot at you that made be go 'huh? Ok, if that's the case then...' instead of all misty eyed like at the end of Explorers and Gates.
>>24718586
I'll give it an 8, I think I might be too burned out from playing way too many roguelikes in my lifetime, otherwise it probably would be higher
>>24719637
thankyou mail
>>24719756
Whiscash, Alakazam, Tyranitar and Charizard came over from Rescue TeamGengar didn't which upsets me to no end
>You can rescue yourself
What
Why
>>24718586
7. By comparison, Sky and Gates are also a 7, Rescue team's a 5
>Why's Gates that high?
Story was the best (Sloppy plot but the best character set up) and I thought the stuff they added in partially made up for the lack of content.
>ally reviver
>better odds
>type bulldozer
>awakening
I like how this game can make you feel like an overpowered monster even without grinding 100 hours for stat drinks
Is there literally any point to the 2/3 gold bar stat boost items? I tried the 3 gold bar one once and it boosted 2 of my stats by 1.. a 1 gold bar vitamin does too.
>>24719769
Wait seriously Gengar doesn't? Does Gardevoir at least?
>>24718538
I'd love to go to the PMD world as an Emolga. Cute as hell, electric type AND flying? Sign me the fuck up.
>>24719778
>grinding 100 hours for stat drinks
you get enough gold just from raking up
>>24719589
just threw like 9 items with water looplet + lock-on, haven't missed yet
>>24719781
Gardevoir of Rescue? No
Gardevoir of Explorers? Yes
>>24719769
I only remembered team ACT because after connecting with them, I talked to Tyranitar in the cafe and it says it's from team ACT. I do remember now that Whiscash mentions how it used to run a pond or something. I completely forgot about Gengar and Gardevoir. I should check out a RT emulator.
>>24719769
And Absol and Ninetales.Can you be sure?
>>24719783
>implying i've used or purchased any stat drinks
>This scene
Sweet Jesus fuck!
>>24719787
aw shit man
>>24719797
fuck man the first time I played Gates this made me so upset.
>see this giant 7x18 kekleon shop
>get hyped as fuck because it's the first time for me seeing anything other than 3x3
>only sells max elixers and a shitty seed
JUST
>>24719800
nvm i just missed lmao
>>24719806
did the effect wear off?
>>24719804
Hey you should totally steal, if you recruit Kecleon you can steamroll the entire game
>>24719807
Lock-On wears off after several turns. i missed twice (once me, once my partner) out of like 28 items but i dunno what are the rates.
>>24719797
Only scene that matched that on how shockingly horrifying that was isRevelation Mountains shenanigans.
>>24719790
Can you remind me what explorers Gardevoir even does?
>>24719823
Be the only useful member of Team Charm. Lopunny sucks ass and has Klutz, and Medicham kills herself with Jump Kick
Is there a better bro than Emolga from Gates? I think not.
>>24719841
Ampharos is a leader and less of a bro
>Dusknoir has a Monster House
Haha good luck, i'm behind a hundred pure seeds
>no one in these threads talking about how badass Mawile was
why
She's a goddess
>>24719835
This guy stands up to your annoying ass partner. He is a true hero of justice.
>>24719854
Literally did one thing
>>24719854
Too good for the worldSo she left it
>>24719847
You can be both.
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I was playing as Articuno in Zero Isle South B56F, then got one-shot ko'd by an electric move. If anybody could help me then I'd appreciate it.
What is the benefit of evolving Pokemon?
If I evolve some Pokemon I will have 2 of the same Pokemon.
Are their stats different or the same?
>>24719856
>annoying
>>24719856
Am I the only person that wasn't annoyed by my partner?
>>24719870
probably nobody's going to go all the way down to 56F
>>24719870
Aw shit man, it's time to finally head back!
>>24719879
>implying i wont
>>24719871
4 wordsThreeWayBraixenParty
>>24719879
casual
>>24719831
You know you can just use a Lucha token to change the ability right?
>>24719891
I was referring to their Special Episode where they had both
>>24719878
Super is the only mystery dungeon game where I actually like the character's personalities, including the partner. I like every character this time around.
>>24719866
You can, but Emolga was more of a good bro.
>Pushes Dunsparce into the portal with you and gives up his own spot on the expedition so Dunsparce stops feeling like garbage
>>24719893
Ohhh, I'm sorry. Forgive me, it's been a while since I played Sky.
>>24719880
Thanks man, send me the A-OK mail when you're finished.
>>24719912
>was actually quicksaved on floor 46 last time i played
You're lucky i dont have any attachment to this run from a few months ago.
>kill a teammate while berserking in mega form
>ally reviver immediately picks them back up
Anybody got the link to that HD audio rip from a day or two ago?
>>24719952
https://www.reddit.com/r/MysteryDungeon/comments/3lhzc4/ultrahq_ost_rip/
To the guy waiting on a rescue in Sky, it'll take awhile, because i'm going to finish this dungeon, and run out to return something
What level should I be to fight any Legendaries?
Should I replace the Psybeam that i've been leveling up til now with Psyshock on my MC Braixen?
>>24720002
Why not use both?
>>24720002
>getting rid of range
>do a fight mission for Pangoro
>target is a Pyroar
>referred to the Pyroar as a male
>get to the Pyroar
>female
nice one
>>24720002
I actually just ran into the same problem (excluding the evolution bit). I decided to scrap Echoed Voice for Psyshock, so my current moveset is Ember/Psybeam/Overheat/Psyshock.
>>24720005
The other slots I have Fire Pledge which has proven to be useful, Flamethrower, and Light Screen which i'm unsure whether or not I should get rid of.
>>24720013
How do the pledges work in mystery dungeon?
>>24720018
Just like they do in-game, though this time you use them in Alliances.
>>24720018
They take their bonus effect in Alliance Attacks.
>>24720025
>>24720024
So it's a room wide slowing/damage effect/increased secondary effect? That sounds pretty good.
i'm basically softlocked in SPMD and have to reset, what are the most broken starters+partners
>>24720054
u wot
>>24719881
>tfw use Fennekin player
>find Espurr way more endearing than the partner
>partner disappears
>evolve into Braixen
>evolve Espurr into Meowstic
>go on adventures togetherand completely ignore postgame plot to revive partnerlesbian catfox is growing on me
>>24720054
Quill me and Furrykin
>>24720054
define softlocked
also, people've been saying that chespin's pretty good
>>24720073
It is, having rollout is fucking madeven if the accuracy feels like shit now
>>24720071
Couldn't you not evolve story NPCs?
>>24720084
chespin's loaded even aside from rollout
>>24720088
I have no idea, but somehow I managed to get fMeow in my team, so maybe I got them mixed up
In which case I have bigger things to worry about
>500,000 exp off a motivated team
I have so many gold bars that I have no idea what to do.
Might as well sell some to learn some moves.
>>24720109
Buy vitains.
throw them throw your team with the water looplet.
>>24720121
what
>>24720123
vitamins.
the stat boosting items.
>>24720128
i meant what at the second part
Cofagrigus is the one who sells the water looplet, right? Is there a condition that needs to be met for him to sell them?
>>24720138
No, cobalion
>>24720133
Water looplet let's it pierce, applying the items to two people.
>>24720138
You get the water looplet by beating Cobalion
>>24720140
Ah, shit. Gonna go slap a friend, and get with Cobalion after that.
>>24720142
cool.
how many vitamins can i use on one pokemon?
what dungeon do you find mewtwo in? and what continent is it on?
>>24720162
You'll know when you get it
>>24720166
I got it a long time ago, but I can't remember either and now I can't find it again
So in Super and Gates, do the max stats go higher than 255, what's the relevance of IQs in those games?
>>24720179
in super they cap at 255
dunno about gates
>>24720176
Mist
>Hvae to go visit Xatu
>Been postponing it to catch up on some dungeons
>Fine, let's get this over with
>Mfw Fire Types everywhere
>Mfw Grass type
>Mfw it's solo
>MfwFUCKING HOOPA KEEPS TELEPORTING ME NEAR THEM
So what's a good starter? I'm in the mood to replay the story
Good lord, what can you do in Sand Dune of Spirits? I rolled a Snivy and he's getting one/two-shot by everything, and the Pupitars have Shed Skin so petrify does jack.
>>24720229
hi me
>>24720229
I was in the same boat, just avoid fights altogether, use shit tons of wands
>>24720232
>He also rolled a Snivy
Hello to you too, me
NEW THREAD
>>24720235
>>24720235
>>24720235
>>24720235
>>24720236
Same for me, it didn't treat Treeko well. I just spammed the stayaway wands
>>24720232
just go faff around leveling up your designated 3rd and recruiting more guys until you're strong enough to just bulldoze right through everything in sand dune. that's probably the easiest way to do it.
Am I the only who found Bellsprout in Rescue Team to be the most caring out of all the NPCs in the post game? He actually acknowledges you for finding Chansey, while others like Alakazam doesn't give a fuck about you earning the Lucario rank or clearing Purity Forest.
>>24720229
I started with the fox as my MC, and with everything having Flash Fire I could barely do anything, the Houndooms fucked me over and made me restart more than once.
Anyway, you can spam wands and avoid fights as much as you can. Or if you really wanna restart, I've heard Chespin makes a godly MC since he gets rollout early and Totodile is pretty good.
>>24719334
>mfw I'm on Thanksgiving Break from college and gave availability for every day this week but only got scheduled for the weekend
>mfw I'm not a real human being
>>24720232
I had no trouble with Snivy. I had fed him about 500 proteins throughout the story so vine whip was one shotting everything, especially with growth
>>24719870
I got you!
Check the new thread for your password, if you aren't already there
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