W I L L Y Edition
A thread for all vehicle simulation games: racing sims, flight sims, train sims, submarine sims, tank sims, anything else sims which do not have enough traffic to sustain their own independent generals.
Extra attention grabbing search terms for example welcome sims
/fsg/ /dcsg/ /fsxg/ /bmsg/ /shg/ /rofg/ /etsg/ /il2g/ /lfsg/ /tsg/
/fsg/ Steam Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flightsimgeneral
/fsg/ TeamSpeak:
ts.artificialanimation.com:7997
Or whatever is on the group's profile
BMS download links
https://mega.nz/#!0BlTkazA!VUwoKAzavtJ3qIUy7lEF8D8MFjbI_Si-r6nwC3wQZYQ
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/54569phfy8au7/BMS4.33_setup
http://www.e-haf.org/PublicFTP/320/BMS_4.33/Falcon_BMS_4.33_U1_Setup.zip
Planefag pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/Zb0U61in
Silent Hunter 3 pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/jNSvhFfY
Dangerous Waters pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/qvxk755r
FPSchazly's Dangerous Waters tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOSvzqNmdX71x2COOyM-p2qHIpRNOvpGQ
Repository of various aviation related material:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3EQDvufMNdeTUh4SE9WV0txa0E&usp=drive_web
>Example of welcome sims:
Falcon BMS
DCS World
Rise of Flight
IL-2
Combat Helo
Microsoft Flight Simulator
X-Plane
Euro truck sim
Assetto Corsa
rFactor 2
Live for Speed
SAM Simulator
Steel Beasts Pro
Steel Armor: Blaze of War
Enemy Engaged: Comanche vs Hokum
Silent Hunter
Train Simulator
Farming Simulator 2015
>Example of non-welcome games:
Arm* 3
Ac* Combat
W*r Thunder
World of ____
Previous sortie: >>144775858
>>145116737
First for cool planes.
>>145116737
first for gods plane
BMS ops WHEN
>>145116970
>Gods plane with gods NASCAR driver
Perfect
Blueflag OPS When?
>>145117108
DALE EARNHARDT DOONER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eda2LTRA1UU
>>145117634
>he takes 7.6G's like a boss and giggles like a school girl after
How do I SAM simulator
>>145117634
>you will never be that happy
>you will never have that much fun
>you will never get a thrill like that in your entire life
Are we back?
>>145121984
>Sukhoi putting spic-tier hydraulic suspensions in fucking fighters
Truly the russian Lockheed Martin.
>>145121984
>going that fast on the ramps
serves you right
>>145122134
Seems to be. I kept getting SSL failures for the last hour or so, it didn't want to let me post with the pass.
>>145123254
Oh I am not denying that i fucked up.
Hey is there a specific button or switch i have to press for the synthetic runway overlay to appear on the M2000 HUD in DCS?
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>>145128147
APP mode on the PCA and I think you have to have a waypoint set on the runway. I'm not exactly sure.
>>145128789
>God
>CCCP
Does openttd go here, or is this just for vehicle operation sims?
>>145129174
> /simg/ - Vehicle Simulation Games General
>>145129131
The Combined Community Codec Pack, more commonly referred to as the CCCP, is a collected archive of codecs (video compression filters) packed for Microsoft Windows, designed originally for the playback of anime fansubs.[2] The CCCP is developed and maintained by members of various fansubbing groups.
>>145129452
>The CCCP is developed and maintained by members of various fansubbing groups.
That explains the retarded five year plans and shit.
Servers woke up? Good.
Rather new to DCS, is the SU-27 dlc campaign worth the 10 dollarydoos?
>>145129615
I'm still missing how this is related to God's plane in anyway
>>145129757
>pretending this hard
>>145129704
I actually really liked it.
>>145129272
Ok, but it's a tycoon sim about vehicles, so does it belong or not?
>>145129704
From what I read it's the best payware DCS campaign.
>>145129881
>>145130109
Neat, thanks. Guess I know what i'm doing tonight.
>>145128789
>rocket pods
>a-a missiles
MULTI
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>arma 3 tanoa
>steel beasts 4.0 which includes based jews
>CMBS marines and vdv
what a time to be alive
is there an easy and obvious way I can upgrade my computer for better DCS performance or is it just
>my computer is shit
I'm wondering if it would be worth upgrading anything here or if my bottleneck is just the processor and I might as well start fresh
>>145134943
Start fresh, repurpose that PC as a web machine or something.
>>145134262
>>>CMBS marines and vdv
Woah really? Any screens yet?
>>145134943
Follow up question: what stats do you need for 60fps at 1080p in the mig21 in multiplayer?
>>145137230
>needing 60fps to absolutely tear ass in MP
Bend your mind into being an absolute air combat deity, and fps will no longer be a concern
>>145138426
I don't need 60, but if I am building a new machine, I wanted to use DCS as my reference point.
>>145138751
Why would you do that, it would be pretty asinine as DCS is an incredibly unoptimized mess, as far as I know it still runs on a single core in fucking 2016.
>>145139106
>DCS is a difficult game to run well on a system
>why would you want to use a poorly optimized and resource intensive game to design a future system
FUTURE PROOF
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It's not that hard to grasp f-a-m, DCS is the crysis of our day
>>145137230
Sims are filled with optimization issues so you're better off with a mid to high end rig, at least. I'd recommend an intel processor because a lot of vidya is meh to bad at handling more than 4 cores.
>I wanted to use DCS as my reference point
read the recommended specs and add a bit more of raw power to the mix
>>145139553
Are you genuinely retarded? Crysis was a benchmark because
1. it looked good
2. it required not only a beefy CPU but also a lot of graphical power.
DCS is bottlenecked by the CPU first and foremost, then storage devices, and also RAM.
>>145139893
Oh and for the record Crysis can run with decent FPS even on toasters if you play with potato settings, the same can't be said about DCS.
>>145139553
>crysis of our day
It could run well. But can eat more when asked to.
DCS eats everything, then shits out 2 FPS.
so what I've gathered from the comments so far is that none of you have 60fps. no need to be salty
>>145134262
what the fuck is CMBS
This is the first time I've heard of it and I googled it and it looks intredasting
I DID IT
I BOMBED SOGANLUG WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO LOITER FOR 5 SECONDS.
>>145141747
I can get 60fps in MP with most of the settings turned way low. Old ass Core i7 920, GTX560ti, 12GB of RAM. For whatever reason DCS seems really limited by non-sequential read speeds, adding a cheap SSD made a world of difference in performance.
>>145143948
good job buddy
>>145144009
Looks like we have similar specs. I used to have a GTX560ti and side-graded to my current card. I thought the SSD only helps with nevada---you also saw a boost on the caucuses?
>>145141747
I can actually get 40-60 FPS on max graphics if the situation is right, such when there's few things happening
Now if I'm in a situation where there's a large presence of objects it might dim down to 30-40 range
>>145144584
>small smoke puff
0 FPS
>>145144584
Also would like to not this is with TrackIR running. The shit in my case include 16GB RAM, X4 965 and a R9 380
>>145144719
Though then you have cases such as this were the game just straight up says "No fuck you enjoy your 15FPS" for the smallest of stuff. Also cases when the game had a memory leak before some patch fixed it and I couldn't play MP/large instant actions without the game freezing.
So basically, don't base a computer off of DCS specs.
>>145144269
Yeah SSD helped a lot, I was having major stuttering problems in multiplayer that are all but gone now. Also download the mod that removes tree shadows, it makes a massive difference.
I'm also running in Windowed fullscreen which eats a few FPS, and using Opentrack which eats up some CPU cycles. But overall this old rig is just fine, but none of my screenshots are ever going to be pretty.
>>145145992
>opentrack
you running the camera at it's lowest resolution?
Are you supposed to see the AoA lines like this or even CCIP lines outside the hud? Is this a glitch or 4th gen fuckary?
>>145146519
CRYSIS
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>>145146136
With the camera at 640x480 I can run with less software smoothing which makes it feel smoother.
>>145146717
placebo, wiki recommends 320x240
>>145146907
I'll give'r a go. I never noticed a difference in performance either way.
>>145148072
>>145146519
It's a glitch, anon.
Also;
>tfw having to engage two F-15s with only heaters after killing choppers and Su-25s with s530, always get killed by one while I focus on the other because my squadron mates are too retarded to be of any use in a dogfight
>one literally spent 4 lives just crashing his MiG-21 in stupid ways
comfiest plon
the fagot is actually a super nice plane to fly. I keep coming in way too slow on final and having to dump the throttle on to keep from stalling out. Below 350km/h she bleeds speed like crazy.
>>145153029
I love pressurization effects on it. Should be in every module.
>>145123254
>Going slow
>ever
if you aint wheeling the thing you aren't doing it right.
>>145154486
Is there anything other than just the usual hypoxia shit?
>>145154721
Sound effects of air ringing when changing pressure.
>10
>>145158236
>not going tot he obviously superior simWar Thunder
>>145158329
this
>>145141747
I can get around 100 FPS no problem, even flying close to the ground and near trees, but my system is a beast.
>>145129108
Waypoint on the runway, APP mode on the PCA, tuned to the ILS freq, on the glideslope and within 10nm are the requirements.
Check out chucks guide.
>10
What's this new 10 meme?
>>145162874
>Page 10
Thread is dying, anon
>>145162874
>What's this new 10 meme?
Why are so many new as fuck fags attracted to this particular thread
I bet it's because of the blueflag shitposting and not keeping our fresh memes to ourselves
Well done assholes
>>145165981
>m-muh sekrit club!!!
>>145166192
It's not about being a sekrit club, it's about trying to slow down the decrease of threadquality over time
>>145165494
>warrior
Why not take a screenshot of a a more shit tier IFV?
Oh wait, there isn't one in DCS
>Spend time creating new models for airfields, no one cares
>Guy recolours fucking building roofs, which is a 5min job, everyones sucking his dick
pretty salty desu.
Live broadcast of an airshow in the Netherlands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udayx7amRBU
>>145166939
Chill, it was just a fellow anon which makes skins presenting that particular huey skin.
>>145167902
FALKLANDS
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>>145167902
It was a joke, not like it matters.
>>145167845
>that accent
Makes me feel better about my own.
>>145167968
Damn right!
>>145168294
You're alright, Anon.
>>145165494
Grass when?
>>145167845
it's pretty good, that accent though
>Get IL-2 1946 on GOG because sale
>read that CUP mod is the way to go
>part one of the first module is 2,9GB large and takes 8+ hours to download
I guess I'll stick with DCS and BMS for now.
>>145168934
>takes 8 hours to download 3GB
Fuck off Aussie cunt.
Slovak Mig-29 is coming up.
Get in here miggers.
>>145169127
No their servers are shit
>>145169234
>giant tiger painted on the back
Fucking lmao. So tacky.
>>145170126
Just fucking torrent it.
>>145170227
>>145167845
Scrolling back and watching the apache display was cool.
LN posted this on kikebook.
>>145172414
What did he mean by this?
Is the show over?
>>145172414
>>145172562
I got it
>>145172681
Yes, but you can still look at the recording I think at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udayx7amRBU
>>145172414
>low resolution zoomed in view of HUD, canopy frame, and some basic instruments
>people are going fucking nuts over this
I knew the majority of DCS fans were gullible morons, but this is some next level shit. The hype alone is going to make LN so much money.
>>145173192
The textures do look shit, especially when compared with the MiG-21.
>don't worry, its just placeholder, my dear costumer :^)
>>145173192
I mean it shows that they have at least the start of a HUD and now a textured cockpit. It shows where they are with the F-14 cockpit. I'm not sure what you want or expect.
>>145172414
Did the F-14 HUD really use that generic futuristic font?
>>145173981
>I mean it shows that they have at least the start of a HUD and now a textured cockpit.
That's really nothing to get excited about, but people still eat this shit up. They've already decided to buy it based on hype and some basic bitch screenshots. The fucking module isn't even out yet.
>I'm not sure what you want or expect.
I don't want or expect anything at this point. I'm going to wait a while after it's released before I decide to buy it.
>>145175341
this is why games will forever be shit.
>>145175020
It's not the first time I've seen that kind of font on an F-14A's hud, so there's probably some merit to it.
I'm more interested in the scrolling Space Harrier display that's apparently supposed to be the most Hollywood, but actually real, artificial horizon ever.
>>145175628
>scrolling Space Harrier display
elaborate
>>145175916
https://youtu.be/2LX-e5ED6js?t=5m53s
About 6 minutes in. Strike Fighters has it too, but it's more colorful in there. It looked too ridiculous to be something that Strike Fighters just made up, so I looked into it some more and found out that it was a legit display.
>>145175628
>>145175916
>>145176257
Another screenshot from LN
>>145176856
Isn't that fucking overkill?
Surely there is more to it than just that right?
>>145177000
>Surely there is more to it than just that right?
More to what? That looks like an accurate depiction of the HUD and ADI to me.
>>145177309
the VDI, it's just a massive CRT monitor JUST for the horizontal attitude?
>>145179572
I might be getting it confused with the lower display but it *may* have several modes. RWR being one of them.
>DCS forgets all my binds when I've unplugged my stick
Just kill me now
>>145176257
Why do Germans and Brits allow saliva to pool in their mouths, and swish and smack it around when talking into mics?
>>145182425
So that idiots like you can ask stupid questions.
OPS
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Is anyone else's x52 slider jumpy? I wanted to use it for the zoom function, but it jumps a lot for anything but the minimum or maximum setting. Should I use one of the rotaries instead?
>>145183545
I have the 52 pro and yeah, the slider is spastic as fuck.
> Should I use one of the rotaries instead?
It's what I did. Set up a small deadzone in the middle though, because it can get twitchy at times when centered.
>>145183545
The slider is horrific, i use it as a button for the airbrake.
i use the top rotary for zooming in and out, it's the least jumpy for me, and i use the smaller rotary with the i button for zooming in screens and shit.
>>145183545
Set the user curve like a ladder. Problem solved.
>>145183545
I use the mouse wheel on the throttle for zoom and the thubstick for mouse like looking around.
>>145185524
Lel how?
My mousewheel wont register movement half the time.
>>145179748
Judging by >>145176257
It probably is also for displaying images from the visual ID camera under the nose which is a real system designed to allow the pilot to ID aircraft at long range.
>>145187694
Do the A & B have that feature?
>>145182221
It shouldn't do that, I can only assume you computer is assigning new device ids every time you replug them. Either way make sure you save your controls so that at least you can load them all again.
>>145153029
For me it's the opposite. thanks to the mig-21 I thought I just sucked completely at landings, but getting into another plane made me realize that the mig-21 just hates flying.
>>145189163
>but getting into another plane made me realize that the mig-21 just hates flying.
The Mig-21 loves flying. It hates flying slow or not in a straight path though.
>>145187759
Yes, the original design had IRST but was swapped out for the TV camera, the F-14D had both fitted.
Was trying to fly in formation with an L39. Bastard kept on engaging his air brakes, so I rammed him. Only one of us landed.
>>145183545
Fun fact:
Sooner or later ALL sensors, including throttle and stick, become as jumpy as that fucking slider
That's saitek quality for you
>>145191409
That's pots for you more like.
Happens with CH products too.
Also, somehow the X-52 actually seems to have a higher build quality than the X-55.
what does the big red dot on the right side of the mig21's radar when you've locked up a target mean? I assume friendly?
>>145193147
>what does the big red dot on the right side of the mig21's radar when you've locked up a target mean?
something to do with range I think
>I assume friendly?
no, the IFF symbology is the same as the modern russian planes.
>>145193147
When you lock something, you'll eventually get a tone. That's max range.
Get closer and you get red symbology, that RTR/Second pull etc. Shoot then.
IFF can only be done before you lock. Minus is enemies, equal sign is friendly.
Once they're locked you get no indication.
>>145192457
I don't know if it's brand loyalty or what else but I've seen tons of people saying "CH pots are really accurate and unbreakable".
So when will /wgg/ be resurrected and re-merged with /simg/?
>>145197580
>>145197580
>re-merged with /simg/?
Fucking never.
>>145197580
>>145196259
>"CH pots are really accurate and unbreakable"
Don't know, but I doubt it.
>>145189730
>not in a straight path though
I really gotta learn how to deal with those spins it loves to get into when I turn it a little bit more than it likes.
>>145189163
honestly any time I land anything fixed wing I tend to basically stall it right at the runway threshold. Fucked if I know why, but if I'm not following a specific landing profile I will drop airspeed as much as I can until I hit critical AoA, then land like that. Maybe I was a bush pilot in a former life and had to learn how to make minimum-length landings a lot or some shit.
>>145199965
You'd be better off (and spend less time fighting the plane) if you just learned how not to induce those spins.
Basically just be gentle with the stick.
>>145200303
but the mig21 isn't supposed to come in with a high AoA
>>145200795
hence why I'm shit at landing the fishbed
the fagot, though, doesn't have itty bitty lil wings, so it works.
>>145200303
Fly your approach speed then find a point on the runway and keep that point as still as you can. Then as the end of the runway goes beneath you, look at the end of the runway, go to idle power, and keep bringing the nose up to meet the end.
Using that technique you should theoretically be able to land any plane nicely.
>>145200521
I am gentle with it most of the time, but sometimes in the middle of a dogfight I pull a little bit too hard, and spin my way into the ground.
![2410ce1f14[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/l6ruyCv.jpg "2410ce1f14[1].jpg")
combined ops when
>>145201941
how the fuck do you use the FCS to get accurate hits
like every time I lase something it seems like my shot goes just over it, or fucking passes through it without causing any damage
>>145201283
You have to be patient, tovarisch.
MiG will make the turn, but only on its own time.
>>145202169
laze the target then laze the background.
but it's mostly dcs being broken shit.
Was Silent Hunter 5 any good? I can barely find any impressions since nobody wanted to use the shit Ubisoft DRM when it came out.
I loved Silent Hunter 3, and 4 was okay. Unfortunately, the voice-commander addons I used to use never worked on Windows 7 or higher. I miss yelling commands into my mic. :(
>>145144009
would adding an SSD help the huge drop in performance I get when I approach another plane <0.5 km? I feel like everything slows down to 5fps while it figures out what the plane is supposed to look like.
>>145202517
Not even mods could salvage SH5. Same can't be said about both SH3 and 4.
>>145202517
I never got super far into any of them, but my impression is that SH5 can be made serviceable. Grab a torrent of it somewhere to get around the DRM and give it a go. I'd be excited to hear what you find.
>>145200303
Stalling it on the threshold is risky, it'll give you the shortest roll out, but as long as you are not overweight you shouldn't need to.
The correct way to do it is find the appropriate pitch and then use your throttle to adjust AoA until you intercept the glide path and follow it down.
The glide slope is always 3 degrees so if you know your landing AoA, just subtract 3 to give you the correct pitch, then just use you throttle to follow the glide path (add power if you are under it, decrease power if you are over it).
>>145202560
You want to run DCS on an SSD anyway. Everyone who does notices a significant performance boost.
guys
guys
guys listen
F/A-18 Superhornet is on sale 60% off on GOG
Is the Ka-50 as fun as it looks? How often are you killed by things that you could have seen if there was an RWR?
>>145206695
A surprising amount of threats lase you first and set off the LWS.
It's not a run and gun attack helo like the hind, but it has a lot of stand-off killing power. It's missiles are very long range for helicopter ATGMs, so you can kill a lot of AA from outside it's range.
>>145207007
how often are you killed by fighters? can you operate in contested air space at all?
>>145207130
All helicopters are at the mercy of fighters, that's their lot in life.
>>145207230
is it true that when you hover fighter's radars can't pick you up?
>>145208160
No, you have big spinning rotor disks above you.
>>145208160
Sounds plausible because radars generally on pick up moving targets
>>145208160
Real life:
Helicopters are by far the easiest targets to detect because giant spinning rotor
DCS: As soon as your speed goes below a magical threshold you turn invisible
>>145208497
>DCS: As soon as your speed goes below a magical threshold you turn invisible
It just gets worse and worse doesn't it? God dammit ED.
>>145208497
>DCS: As soon as your speed goes below a magical threshold you turn invisible
This isn't the case though? Helos get locked and splashed all the time.
>>145208971
Not if you're slow and low
You have to be really slow though, to the point of almost hovering
>>145208450
They do generally pick up on moving targets. And, as a helicopter, by virtue of your method of lift generation, you're always a moving target- your rotor disc is turning insanely fast.
Now in reality you'd likely be able to hide amongst ground clutter to reduce the range at which you were visible to radar, but at the moment the only aircraft with any sort of ground reflections on radar only has -1.5deg scan elevation below the horizon, so you're probably not going to be sniffed out by a fishbed.
Are "Sims" allowed? Didn't see a /tsg/ on the catalog.
>>145209721
If you roleplay as a family of vehicles, maybe.
>>145209721
No. Get the fuck out and go eat your garbage elsewhere.
>>145209721
>Vehicle Simulation Games General
What part of "vehicle" do you not understand. Kill yourself.
>>145209426
>so you're probably not going to be sniffed out by a fishbed.
Man, most of the time even when I know where the helo is (I'm staring right at it) the goddamn Sapfir just refuses to pick it up. And att that point I might as well just do a gun run on it.
>>145209851
>>145209932
>>145210418
Okay, I'll go.
>>145209721
Though the sims may be a vehicle for your autism, no.
Doesn't Sims allow transgender characters now? You could create a sim that identifies as attack helicopter
>>145210840
No. But you can make a Sim of a certain gender and make them look like the other.
>>145208423
what about something like the F-35B?
>>145211719
Dies to strafing run while it sits parked on the airfield.
>>145208497
>>145208657
>>145209119
Because slow targets don't give a doppler shift, retards. Radar filter uses doppler to separate target signal from ground clutter. Guess what happens when you just just hover above ground.
>>145212791
Are you aware that the rotor is moving
>retards
please be bait
>>145212791
>inb4 only pretending
Army should still be using sabres desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5w2Mh6CyXo
historical bump
What is the Dark Souls of flight sims?
>>145215096
> Based around remembering patterns and executing accordingly
> People say it's hard but it's really not if you put any effort into it
Pretty much every full fidelity sim I guess
PULL UP
>>145217641
CмoÑ‚pи ÐКPAH
>>145217960
OППAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>145217960
The roosterland rangeban already got lifted?
>>145218197
I wouldn't know. There was a ban?
>>145218197
it lasted like 2 hours
>>145218349
Yeah, russia got rangebanned because of yesterday's DDoS.
>>145218420
Oh.
>>145218523
>Yeah, russia got rangebanned because of yesterday's DDoS.
I take it that DCS like the Arma series is extremely cpu and RAM intensive? Also I should install it on my SSD? I ask these questions because once the RX 480 comes out, I will be buying my first gay men rig in nearly five years. Thank you!
Also, is DCS going to be better optimized soon?
>>145218732
>SSD
For loading times I guess, otherwise I don't think I notice a difference
>better optimization
xD
If you have a somewhat decent rig DCS runs just fine on max settings even on 1440p
>>145218732
Yes, DCS is very CPU intensive.
>is DCS going to be better optimized soon?
That already happened when they switched to the new graphics engine in 1.5. It's not going to get any better.
>>145212973
But the Ka-50 has one rotor on top of the other spinning in opposite directions, so they clearly cancel each other out.
>>145221359
Also radars can't see more than 24 FPS, so if you spin the rotor fast enough it turns invisible
Ok, I have a situation here, I want to chill out with some GA, and I'm really torn between P3D v3 and X-Plane 10.
Have played Flight Simulator since I was, what, 7? but I want something non-combat related till Dovetail's Flight Sim comes out.
Which one and why, /simg/?Don't worry about shooting at shit, I'm pretty good on that part with BMS for OPS and Strike Fighters 2 for the fuck of it
A flight simulator is a device that artificially re-creates aircraft flight and the environment in which it flies, for pilot training, design, or other purposes. It includes replicating the equations that govern how aircraft fly, how they react to applications of flight controls, the effects of other aircraft systems, and how the aircraft reacts to external factors such as air density, turbulence, wind shear, cloud, precipitation, etc. Flight simulation is used for a variety of reasons, including flight training (mainly of pilots), the design and development of the aircraft itself, and research into aircraft characteristics and control handling qualities.
All of sudden the Mirage became complicated
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=168390
>>145228961
neato
too bad you'll never actually go on any flight long enough for INS error to be a major factor on the current DCS map
BLUEFLAG OPS NOW COME HELP DEFEND THE MOTHERLAND
WEWRAHHHHHHHHHHH
Are there any MiG-21 variants that
1: can go faster than mach 2 or 1300KM/H IAS
2: traded that piece of shit GSh-23 for an actually good gun?
Assuming a developer came along with the specific goal of expanding the 1st/2nd gen jet arena (from just the F-86/MiG-15), what aircraft would you guys want to see implemented?
>>145231996
BLUEFLAG OPS NOW FAGGOTS
>>145232031
F-104 Starfighter if that counts. I must go fast.
>>145232031
>tfw really like the idea of 1st gen jets but dislike how the f-86/Mig-15 look aesthetically
>>145232031
First of all: AD1. It'd print money at least as much as the Huey or the Hind.
>1st gen
The Meteor and Willy-262, maybe the P-80. That's it. I wouldn't be against the Vampire or the MiG-9 or He-162 but I wouldn't warmly receive them either. The Horten 229 can go fuck itself though.
>2nd gen
If I had to pick just two I'd say the Mirage 3 and MiG-17, but the former is already coming, so, I dunno, F9 Cougar or F3H?
>>145232452
>can easily reach mach 2
>equipped with radar and guided missiles
>2nd gen
Come again?
>>145232847
>not liking TOUBJETS
lame
Sea Vampire would be neat though, just to get a Bongistani plane in, and a carrier-capable early jet.
>>145232847
>f-86/Mig-15
>1st gen
>>145232031
2bh I rather have more late 2nd gen+ jets. I feel that gen 1 and early 2 is simply too primitive.
Example why you would want more Gen 1 and 2 fighters? Genuine question, not trying to get anybody angry
>>145232031
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fighter_generations
Which definition does people normally use? There's like 4 different definitions.
>>145233240
the aerospaceweb one
>>145232878
2nd generation fighters were all about that high speed interception meta. The Starfighter didn't carry any radar guided missiles either.
>>145233240
Pretty much everyone has his own definition of it. I like the Air Force Magazine one myself.
>>145233451
>The Starfighter didn't carry any radar guided missiles either.
Maybe the very first models, definitely not the souped up versions that were used outside of the US.
>>145233687
The Italian F-104S is the only Starfighter to ever carry a radar guided missile and that was a late addition. It's very difficult to find photos of F-104S's carrying Sparrows. I think I've only seen two or three.
If an F-104 was added to DCS it would either be a USAF F-104C, or the F-104G, which was the most common model by far. Neither carried radar guided air to air missiles.
The S is a tiny fraction of all Starfighters ever built, while the G was almost half.
>>145234219
>>145233959
>>145232452
>tfw starfighter never
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ZnVagY6Ok
>>145233451
Even then it could easily reach mach 2, which hardly makes of it a 2nd gen jet.
>take out the fagot against a mustang for shits and giggles
>dive in on it
>rake its tail with 23mm fire
>it snap rolls
>zoom out, climb back up, look back
>it's still fucking flying
>it proceeds to continuously keep its nose on me for about ten minutes until I get tired of DCS's shit AI damage modelling
>>145235203
Are you sure you actually hit it?
>>145235005
In that case, I'm curious what your definition of a 2nd generation fighter is then, because the F-104 was a contemporary to other 2nd gen fighters such as the F-102, F-105, and F-106 (which was also a mach 2 interceptor). Those are the kinds of planes I've always heard of when reading about 2nd generation fighters.
I haven't flown since the /fsg/ days and want to get back into some DCS, when do you regularly fly ops?
>>145235372
1st gen: WW2 shit, postwar shit with straight wings.
2nd gen: shit with swept wings and/or ranging radar.
3rd gen: shit that can break the speed of sound on straight level and/or equipped with search radar.
>>145235274
>explosions on the fuselage and tail section
>f2 view on it shows a shitload of bullet holes
>after action report showed 10 HEI and 2 AP hits
yep. DCS just doesn't have AI flight or damage models worth a motherfuck.
>>145235671
>explosions on the fuselage and tail section
They were merely training rounds tovarish )))))))))))))))))))
>after action report showed 10 HEI and 2 AP hits
Doesn't the MiG-15 suffer from the same "meme" as the P-51 and the F-86s, being that AP is just ball and HEI is just tracer rounds?
>>145235632
I mean you can just make up your own definitions if you want, but be aware that most people aren't going to understand what you're talking about if you use it when talking to others. What even falls under second generation for you? Even the F-100 could fly supersonic. It seems to me like you're trying to use 2nd generation to very specifically define post war Korean era fighters like the F-86, MiG-17, and not much else.
Once you start including things like radars and swept wings, it's hard to find a plane that wasn't also supersonic or capable of searching for targets. There's a lot of overlap with what you're calling 3rd generation.
>>145236789
That's actually AFM's definition of "generations", and I think that it's the one that makes the most sense. Because really, lumping the F-86 together with WW2 shit is just dumb.
>>145235632
What is the point of ranging without searching? It feels like searching is a far more useful function, and for radar to have evolved like that seems counter-intuitive to me.
>>145237356
Gun sights. Using a ranging radar to feed the exact range to a radar gunsight makes accurate gunnery easier.
>>145237356
>What is the point of ranging without searching
It makes gunsights much more accurate. Basically a crutch for shiters. Funfact: IIRC some pilots gave those sights monikers such as "ace maker".
>and for radar to have evolved like that seems counter-intuitive to me.
Lolno. A ranging radar is much simpler than a search radar with all that entails, and a search radar isn't that useful on a plane that operates from an area that has radars installed on the ground, because of GCI.
>>145237130
Reading the AFM definition on wiki makes it make a lot more sense, and I realize how subjective and arbitrary these definitions tend to be.
In the wild, I often hear the Air Force Magazine version because the 4, 4+ and 4++ definitions contain very important distinctions and most of what I read about in my day to day life is current events in the industry.
>>145233240
>MiG21 is so based it's in two generations at the same time.
Slava rossiya
Slavs mikoyan
>>145240817
a lot of aircraft are like that if you look at them hard enough. The F-14 can be considered a late 3rd gen fighter and an early 4th gen fighter.
So there's a flash sale on
Worth getting the M2000 and F-86?
>>145246461
M2000 is neato for modern-ish multirole fighter (in that it can bomb truck and carry rockets), but it's a WIP module and it shows in some areas.
F-86 is cool and really turny and fun to fly but there's not much in DCS for it- just the MiG-15 and T-55s and shit. The bad AI flight/damage modelling shows like crazy when you get into subsonic-only gunfighters like the Sabre (it has missiles available, but they're awful against a maneuvering target), and the Sabre also suffers from the same limpdick .50s that the P-51 does.
>>145246461
B A G U E T T E
Also because you'll probably get more use out of it MP wise.
>>145246870
>the Sabre also suffers from the same limpdick .50s that the P-51 does.
There's a mod that fixes that.
