Balance patch never edition
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Not even a necromancer could revive >>144189606
ELECTORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>144221349
tfw when you had a sex dream about protecting that smile
>>144221432
Row-row-rollan!
IF OUR PRINCE IS TO BECOME EMPERORMILITARY RULER OF ALL ELECTOR COUNTS
It would be cool if they added in logistics or supply lines for armies. Not that CA has the competence to make an AI that can deal with that.
Post music for factions
First for does this mod work without breaking the AI
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=695635084&searchtext=
Like does the AI still think it can get away with forced march fuckery and continue to try stupid shit that will now get it killed ruthlessly, or will it adapt to it and play cautiously?
PONTUS
I'll ask again: Any opinions on the "Proper Combat Mod"?
>>144221704
I use it, I like it. KAM does the combat for DeI and Fall of the eagles, so I trust his work.
Reminder, there are people who ACTUALLY think that unit balance only matters for single player.
so where is the anon that got the CA thing. Any further news?
>>144222043
theres no way those nigger could have figured out a contraption like that
Karl Franz dating simulator when. You've got the classical childhood friend route with Emmanuelle, a sultry vampiress trying to seduce him, the cute but timid and stuttering goblin girl, the headstrong tsundere dragon ogre girl with an electrified vagina, and of course, best ending,when Archaon takes off his helmet and turns out to be a cute girl that simply needs love.Oh and best route overall is the one where you bro it up with Gelt and he transmutates Deatclaw into a sexy chick.
what's the secret to an Orc campaign I keep getting raped within 20 turns. Fucking Dwarves keep shitting on my shit with a full stack, and my stack doesn't have enough shit to even go toe to toe with them since they are build to be so durable.
>>144222131
>niggers
Wow, you're retarded even by /pol/ standards.
Saw someone asking about possible VC lords and like a good nerd I whipped out my old VC codex.
Von Carstein: the base bloodline
Leader: Mannfred von Carstein
Necrarch: Necromancy specialists
Probable lord: Zacharias the Everliving
Blood Dragon: Melee and cavalry specialists
Possible Lord: Walach Harkon
Strigoi: Ghoul specialists
Possible lord: Vorag Bloodytooth
Lahmia: charm spells specialists
Possible lord: ???
Personally would love to see more families added. The fact that chaos undivided is the only chaos you get is really disappointing.
>>144222169
If you're Grimgor, just go bash 'is 'ead in.
If you're Azhag, just sit in Iron Rock and pray to Gork and Mork
>>144222043
>1177
>dress like cavemen and use technologies from 200BC
Don't want to be that /pol/ guy, but why do white civilisations were more advanced than any other until the XXth century?
>>144222131
It's probably MERCENARY ONAGERS all over again like in Attila
>>144222236
>Lahmia
>charm spells
muh penis goes doki
>>144221236
if you're looking for something vamps in medieval-style warfare/vc themed, check out underworld: rise of the lycans, it's a decent flick
>>144222138
whaat the fuck is wrong with 4chan
it really is, the asshole of the internet
>>144222095
>mounted birds beat demigod horsemen
>>144222169
Just use Grimgor and GET FIGHTIN
>http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_Warhammer_Panorama
What's the easter egg in this picture?
Bretonnian campaign when?
>>144222281
You're being that /pol/ guy, and also fucking dumb and wrong to boot.
>>144222281
You tell me
>>144222590
youtube address that doesn't work
>>144222590
Check the previous thread.
I hate umgi so god damn much
>>144222443
go back to 9gag kiddo
>>144222590
Bottom left corner near the door. OUR GUY got it and will be receiving prize tomorrow.
tfw you'll never put your stuntie in Joey
Just when I fucked up chaos and said, well this is piece of cake, Don't know if start a new campaing or just play a couple of turns with my 6 doomstacks of orcs... decided to spread them and attack diferent factions at once.
I got my arse kicked in 4 of 6 assaults, what the fucking fucks, this is like a complete new campaign now...
Also even regular warbosses seems better than azagh what the fug
>>144222663
>same leather armor for 800 years
what an odd army composition, what was that guy hoping for?
multiplayer is pretty fun, whenever neither you nor the enemy is a demigryph memester
ELECTRIC AUNTS
desu the ck2 warcraft mod was better than the tw game
>>144221651
>Greenskins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0uBU5ddX4U
are chosen too weak? I also feel like the end times are really underwhelming, bretonnia never sees any destruction as well.
>>144222708
They're your greatest allies my good merchant.
>>144222708
KEEPUM COMING
>>144222928
This is the problem with the Legendary Lords, literally all of them have this balance issue
VC
-Mannfred superior to Himmler in every way
Empire
-Korl Fronz superior to Gelt in every way
Dwarves
-Ungrim superior to Thorgrim in every way
Orcs
-Grimgor superior to Azhag in everyway
Chaos
-Archaon superior to Kholek in every way
etc etc
Are there any worthwhile balance mods out by now? Just minor fixes like nerfing Demigryphs and Greatswords or buffing Chosen and Blood Knights.
So what's the easter egg in that shitty panorama?
I found like 4 things that stick out but there's no "secret to the next step"
>>144222443
t. CA Dev
>>144221571
Actually? Cause I haven't seen that at all
>>144222591
>not "For the Lady!"Merci, my lord!
>>144222945
>same mix of chain, scale and the odd segmented metal armor for 1500+ years
Also,
>mistaking segmented, laquered metal plates for leather
>>144223098
Thorgrim has a slight advantage in that he can climb walls.
>>144223038
CHOSEN ARE FUCKING GREAT. PLAY SOME ACTUAL BATTLES AND NOT MEME MP BALANCE 1:1 MATCHUPS.
1:1 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BATTLES.
>>144222956
Multiplayer is fine as long as you kick Empire players that won't switch.
Everything else is at least playable against each other
>>144223156Radious
>>144223156
I use proper combat mod.
>>144221704
I did answer on the previous thread, but i trust his work too, even though I did not see a lot of difference besides slower movement (which I enjoyed a lot so i can see the feel of battle and my units).
>>144222138
>the cute but timid and stuttering goblin girl,
>gobbo
>cute
>timid
yeah right
So are Vampire Counts technically part of the Empire or not?
>>144223098
How the fuck is Ungrim better than Thorgrim. Also, Kholek is good at pushing and aoe melee attacks.
>>144223156
did they add blood knight dlc?
Finally vapmire units are useful senpai
>>144223228
in his highchair?
>>144223038
>>144223256
They're weak in an 8 on 8 line too, what's it matter?
They're shit, you're making your line weak by taking them. That's the reality. Take Great Weapons in this game or don't take infantry at all. The balance is fubar.
Great Weapon Chosen aren't cost efficient against Greatswords though, so be aware.
>>144223390
Yeah sorry, I should have remember to mention her orc friend, who is extroverted and likes physical activities but is a bit of an airhead.
>>144223424
Sylvania is part of the Empire
>>144223461
there is a mod but he's probably talking about black knights
>gobbos are responsible for both technology AND magic
>still lowly members of society
gobbo revolution when?
>>144223505
>Great Weapon Chosen aren't cost efficient against Greatswords though, so be aware.
This is a meme and it needs to fucking DIE.
>>144223173
check the previous thread
>a misworded youtube link
>linked to a video from Joey (deleted now)
>OUR GUY was the first to do whatever was in the video
>CA is contacting him tomorrow
end of story
>>144223564
ork will eat u
WE IZ BETTER THAN THEM
>>144223256
>pick chosen
>expect to melt through everything
>they don't
Good shit
So, halberds are armor piercing weapons.
What about glaives or naginata?
>>144221598
No chaos please
>>144223424
yes
>>144223564
A lot of the sorcerers manipulate the orks to their own ends
>>144223063
Will probably make one about my chaos campaign. That pic was about my current dwarf run where the humans treated me like shit and never accepted anything and now they get wiped out by chaos.
>>144223596
s-sorry.
nth for peaceful forest landscape
>>144223327
He buffed Greatswords
Juts fucking no.
>>144223564
>>144223280
>>144223327
Both of these are complete garbage, they even buff OP units like Greatswords even more.
>>144223632
Idk but Katanas pierced my heart when I first saw them.
>>144223424
Vlad's only real desire is to become a legitimate Elector Count
>>144223721
that's actually gorgeous. I didn't thought CA could surprise me so positively.
>>144223778
what exactly is their reasoning behind that?
>>144223808
Lolwut
>get Hellcannons
>they barely scratch enemy walls
Is is because it's not supposed to be used against structures, or are all altillery pieces that shit?
>>144223808
I'm completely new to war hammer but I'm reading all the backstory now that I can get but I didn't quite understood that: Is Vlad more of a good character or a bad one?
>>144223881
They actually know nothing about the game and just shit out mods as fast as possible for that mad e-cred.
>>144223958
Artillery in general is pretty weak.
>>144224000
He dindu nuffin. He a good boy.
>>144223881
Making the game more easy.
>>144224000
He's one of the rare exceptions of a very "good" vampire.
>>144224067
This, pretty much. That and they change stuff for no reason other than that more changes look better for users.
>>144224000
He's a good husband and leader
>>144223958
Walls are VERY sturdy in comparison to previous titles. Hell, I think the hellcannon is one of the more hard hitting artillery pieces when it comes to destroying walls.
,
>>144223808
Vlad's only desire is to get his waifu Isabella back
>>144224000
He was a power hungry and oppressive warmongerer, but people suck his non-functioning dick because he didn't kill his peasant vassals straight away.
WHY DO VAMPIRE CUNTS SUCK SO MUCH
VARGHULF VERSUS BASIC SWORDSMEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9lzMhEre1U
CRYPT HORRORS VS SWORDSMEN AND SPEARMEN (FAIL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JKoVx-SNmI
TERRORGHEIST (ANTI-LARGE) VERSUS ARACHNAROK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fL4e1BxJeM
VAMPS EAT ASS
PERIOD
BUFF WHEN?
>>144223742
>>144223778
Aside from the greatsword buff it does balance other things, like tower ranges, guns, useless artillery and makes battles little bit longer.
>>144222169
You can eliminate the dwarfs like immediately
That stops confederation
>>144224331
good old times
>>144223584
This is the same amount of cash for both armies, what do you not understand?
>>144224000
Vlad's a better person than half the leaders of the Empire and he's not even a person.
>>144224394
Calm down Konrad.
>>144224416
What a retard. Why is he testing the Varghulf against two units that are counters to it?
>>144224284
I didn't bother finishing that battle, but it took me like 60% of the ammunition from 2 Hellcannons to bring a single tower down. So I assume I wouldn't have gotten more than 1-2 breaches out of them?
And you can't really afford to sit around much since you already start within range of the towers. Although I guess with shields they aren't this much of a deal.
Lads, reminder that Konrad will be a surprise with the Blood Dragons flc.
Reminder that Konrad recruited the Blood Dragons into his armies by promising them a proppa waaagh
>>144224494
I miss having like 20 choices for faction
If it didn't really matter
Still no tomb kangz announced.
>>144224584
>VARGHULF COUNTERED BY MELEE (IT'S ANTI MELEE SPECIALIST) BASIC TIER UNITS
EPIC
SO WHAT IS THE VARGHULF SUPPOSED TO ATTACK? ARTILLERY? FLYERS? LMAO
VAMPIRE CUNTS NEED A BUFF ASAP
>>144224584
What's a Varghulf supposed to be good against?
>>144224537
>that comparison
If you have more units in one army then it has a significant advantage.
>>144221651
Empire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na_Zac23b5E
>>144221847
>>144223339
Thank you two for the answers (and for 3339, I did see your answer, but wanted more opinions). Gonna try it out.
>>144224416
wtf my varghulfs and terrorgheists are immortal
>>144224725
>>144224708
Anything infantry that's not anti-large? Besides, an actual battle is never going to be like that.
>>144224646
BUT I DON'T WANT KONRAD
>>144224584
What do some of you people not understand about Anti-Infantry or Anti-Large only meaning that the unit is better against them?
It doesn't say
>Shits on Large creatures worth triple the money
The balance in this game is illogical and trash
>>144223625
ahhh a fellow tribeget your daggers out boys
>>144223958
I don't remember if they have the "armour piercing" trait but walls, towers and gates have stupidly high armour.
Artillery doesn't necessarily have armour piercing for some reason so they can't hurt it, empire great cannons fuck up walls like it's nothing if you have a few of them.
>>144224881
BASIC SWORDSMEN AND SPEARMEN ARE "ANTI LARGE"
WOW, EMPIRE SO BALANCED
When will fucking empireshills fuck off aand die already?
i wish that the music from the trailers was also in the game, would have made the soundtrack a lot better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq6tInwYy8I
How in the hell do I play Vampire counts? The only useful units I have so far are Vargheists, Mannfred, and my Varghulf. Everything else fels like it exists just to die.
>>144224947
>posting an image from a gif
You deserve Pieter von Carstein
>>144224537
>killed almost twice as many models
>>144224947
Fuck, my gifs are broken.
>>144225079
reroll and play a better faction
VCs are the most underpowered faction in the game right now
Have a look at this video
>>144224416
Once you run up against an Empire/human army, you'll understand what I mean.
>>144224881
they won't understand this, not because they can't, but because they choose not to. Battles aren't decided by infantry scrumming it out in 1v1, they're won by sick cavalry plays and suebi fear balls.
Any understander already knows this and doesn't worry about such things.
>>144224416
>CRYPT HORRORS
flanking unit, not head on vs fucking spears
>VARGHULF VERSUS BASIC SWORDSMEN
vs two units of spears actually
>>144225065
Music as always in total war games these days is completely forgettable.
>>144225268
Did you miss the part where he sent the varghulf against swordsmen as well you FUCKIGN MONGOLOID
why is everyone having problem with VCs? i'm absolutely stomping everything in my path with grave guard and terrorgheists, everything gets replenished so fucking fast and corrupting land is super quick so i don't even have to stop
I normally play on normal. In my game the vampire cucks started taking over the lands of the minor counts so I stepped in. I fought a massive battle, about 1.5 stack of mine vs 3.5 stacks of his and ended up losing. I was able to expel the undead hoard the following turn since I had reinforcements coming. Now with the main undead army gone I'm just trolling into sylvania. But that huge battle was fun even though I lost. What difficulty does the AI pump out decent amounts of armies without getting ridiculous?
>>144224537
So the Chosen were surrounded and still carved up the Greatswords? Waoh, how fucking surprising that a rear charged army will lose eventually.
In an actual battle this does not happen if you pay attention and the Chosen will fuck them up.
>>144225079
Let's look at some of the postives of VCs.
>can recruit units just before a battle
>have 3 super cheap units that make excellent tarpits
>have the most powerful magic available
>have extreme mobility with a lot of their units
>have a lot of Fear and Terror traits
>have the only tier 5 flying unit
I genuinely don't understand how people can fail as the VCs. My current Legendary campaign is so piss easy I got bored of it within 30 turns because nothing could oppose me.
>fight 2 Empire stacks around turn 15
>I lose 90% of my units in the fight but still win
>next turn I have an entire army again while they have nothing
>>144225126
And lost hard, so what?
>>144224727
Which is why Chosen variants all suck? They're overpriced and not strong enough for what you pay to make them go even. Do you not know what cost efficiency is? Are you arguing something else? Because they are objectively not cost efficient.
>>144224682
Thank you for keeping us updated, you're doing Gods work anon.
>>144225386
People are buttblasted because VCs are underpowered in multiplayer, where your opponent snipes your general all the time.
Is cost efficiency the hot new meme?
>>144225365
Send in supporting units. Or more Vargulfs.
>>144224816
Playing on small unit size?
This game had no balance testing done so they didn't even think to make damage scale up with unit sizes for large monsters/explosions/magic. Vargulfs etc. hit for dick all on Large/Ultra and get poked more
>>144225556
Fear and terror mechanics are broken currently
>>144225691
this meme is not cost efficient
>>144225757
i play on ultra size
>multiplayer fags shitting up general as usual
Your butthurt is delicious.
>>144225272
MUH-FUCKING-THUNKA
>>144225576
>Do you not know what cost efficiency is?
Do you? If you set up these ridiculous scenarios where one side has several more units then of course one is going to pull ahead, especially on larger unit sizes. There's a reason why you're encouraged to make balanced army setups.
>>144224416
why are people so fucking dumb
It's not like vamps have infantry that never fucking dies or routs
It's not like you use this infantry to hold down troops whilst their monsters flank
Why can't you cunts understand the basic fucking tactic of an army?
>>144225691
Apparently. Because every battle is a 20 unit line against a 20 unit line. Just use all swordsmen desu.
If you lose just tell them at least you lost cost efficient. That'll show them.
What did they mean by this?
"I am here, mortal. And i bring your end. For Averheim will soon fall, and the rest of your pathetic cities will follow. All those that oppose me will die, and rise again as my puppets. The Undead fear nothing.
Where are thy allies? Hiding beneath the mountains? For the Dark is my realm, the grave, my throne!
Yet you have much to fear, for I am the true ruler of thy Empire. Thine brave corpses will make a fine addition to my army."
URKI
FUCKING
SHITS
>>144225079
Vargeists are terrible. Do not use them.
Squishy, don't actually deal damage like is implied, and get stuck in combat and can't leave. Their damage dealer attribute does nothing, and Frenzy adds a grand total of 4% charge bonus(what the fuck?) and 8 Melee Attack(what the fuck?)
VC is undertuned as fuck, your only option is Vargulf and Great Weapon Grave Guard spam. All of your units suck.
>>144225762
Proof?
>>144224416
The varghulf has healing
Why the fuck would you just leave it fighting until it routs/dies
You're supposed to go in and out like cavalry
>>144225676
I really, really hope they don't try to balance this game around multiplayer. I haven't touched TW multiplayer since we had the avatar campaign and in Arena.
I like that VC are encouraged to swamp the enemy with superior numbers.
>>144225079
>>144225556
People see the "unit has been wiped out!" flag and think that VC sucks. That the point of them. I can't seem to lose with them either. I lose 5-6 zombies every battle but I still when the battles, and I can insta rez more. The bats hae to be the best unit in the game, they seem to 1v1 and route any archer unit while being able to flank at any time. It is even easier to win vs races that feel feel sicne they seem to instantly route. Even when I want to spend big bucks for a professional army, grave guard wipe out the enemy front line.
The only problem with VC is that the auto resolve tells you the enemy has a huge advantage.
>>144225881
Thanks anon, made me chuckle
no more clowns
praise Mork for this sneaky stabbin
>>144225940
>playing Greenskins on Legendary
Kill me now. Every battle is a Phyrric Victory.
Modders cracked model exporting yet?
Can we set the load order in mods?
>>144226063
>hating on the makeup
What's wrong with you?
>>144225881
>If you lose just tell them at least you lost cost efficient.
Will nobody think of the shareholders? You devilish fiends.
>>144225556
>>144226035
yo it's quick match mp retards that are whining
That's why they keep bringing up cost which is fucking balanced around the settlement income a faction can get
>>144225745
It's weird how you Empirebabs have no concept that 1400 cost monstrous units should beat cheap sword filler.
>Just send in reinforcements
FUCK NO YOU DUMBFUCK, IT SHOULD WIN PERIOD.
>>144225386
GG+Var/Terrorgheist wrecks AI like nothing else yes but the campaign itself is a thorny path full of beginner traps, backstabbing shits and around 500 Empire agents. One wrong move or bad judgement could cost you everything.
Also the general and campaign skill trees for your LLs are worse than other factions.
>>144226246
Changing their names should work.
>>144226334
And the recruitment cost in the campaign is irrelevant anyway.
It's free money, right? It's not like they're gonna attack my shit a couple turns in.
>>144225879
MY FUCKING FRONTLINE MELEE SPECIALISTS SHOULDNT BE LOSING TO FUCKING TIER 1 UNITS YOU IDIOT
IMAGINE HOW BUTTBLASTED EMPIRE BABBIES WOULD BE IF THEIR DEMIGRYPH KNIGHTS LOST IN A FUCKING HEAD ON CHARGE AGAINST SOME SKELETON SPEARMEN
>>144226019
NO, I HAVE ACTUAL CAVALRY FOR THAT
HEXWRAITHS, BLACK KNIGHTS
Holy fuck these autists getting so triggered by MP balance is making my day
>start a Shogun 2 Darthmod campaign
>first battle as Tosa
>30 minutes later and units are now just shooting each other at extreme range and never routing
>both generals are dead but units never rout
>those that do come right back
>get bored and quit
>over 5000 losses on both sides
>Exit to Windows
Yea fuck Darth, Radious and all of those other fucking autists. Jesus. I just want to make the Emperor great again.
>Bretonnia won't get the Green Knight as a LL
why even live
>>144226338
Monsters aren't supposed to solo whole units by themselves. You just don't understand how a new unit type functions in the game. You wouldn't bitch about losing tier 3 cataphracts if you left them in extended combat by themselves, would you?
>>144226471
renegotiate
You should be able to remove the peace treaty and keep the gold offer
>>144226353
IS THAT A NIPPLE!?
>>144226572
I FUCKING WOULD IF CATAPHRACTS LOST TO FUCKING MILITIA LEVYS
>>144225863
The Chosen will always be outnumbered, how retarded are you?
You take two Chosen Great Weapons, they have 3 Greatswords. You take more Chosen Great Weapons, they end up with an even higher amount outnumbering you?
You waste your money on 1600 cost Chaos Cav, and they kill 4800 worth of your cav with a single 1400 Demigryph.
I can't tell if you're a mouth breathing retard or just a Empire shill desu.
look at these manlets
>>144226471
why didnt you just confederate with the red fangs?
>>144226063
disgusting
>>144226604
No it's a mole.
Guys, any opinion on conquer anywhere mod? Should I use it or not? Will it be weird conquering non human cities (as empire/VC) or its a must have mod?
How about its submod then (diplomacy, vassal, conferedate, etc). Anything needed or is this mod a waste of space?
PLEASE OPINE.
>>144226523
Honestly, twg feels like a fucking Dark Souls thread right now.
>WAAAAH WHY CANT I KILL PEOPLE
>WHAAAA WHY CANT I INVADE SOME SINGLE GUY WITH MY COOKIECUTTER BUILD
>WHY CANT I GRIEF
>WHY AM I NOT WINNING WHEN MOMMY SAID I AND ONLY I DESERVE IT
>>144226516
Varghulf is not a frontline melee specialist
And hexwraiths are not supposed to be used as standard cavalry dipshit, did you even read the unit card
>>144226683
Spearmen aren't militia levy's though. They're the very backbone of the Empire roster.
>>144226683
they do
>>144226548
>Brettonia will never get a fully fleshed out feudal system cranked up to eleven.
Why even be chivalrous?
>>144226753
Honestly it's not as good as it sounds like.
>>144226696
You realize no one else is talking about multiplayer, right? You can bring 19 chosen, and your enemy can bring 19 greatswords. You can bring another stack and use even more chosen.
>>144226753
If you want to use it, use it. I can't see the point really.
>>144226334
>total war mp
Whats the point? There are plenty of real strategy games to play. total war is about jerking of the massive cinematic battles and other cool shit in the campaign.
>>144226730
o okSauce pls
>>144226683
Well that happened all the time in Rome 2 to Cataphracts which gut stuck on levys.
>>144226753
Don't use it, the balance is not designed for it and campaigns are long enough
God tier units:
Greatswords
Black orcs
Demigryph knights (Halberds)
Quarrelers
Fell bats
Grudge throwers
High tier units:
Demigryph knights
Rock lobba
Halberdiers
Handgunners
Outriders (GL)
Longbeards
Goblin wolf riders
Savage boyz
Chaos warhounds/dire wolves
Crypt horrors
Miners (BC)
Steam tank
Spearmen
Mediocre units:
Swordsmen
Crossbowmen
Empire knights
Goblin wolf archers
Goblin spider riders
Goblin spider rider archers
Crossbowmen
Dwarf warriors
Ironbreakers
Doomdiver
Zombies
Skeleton spearmen
Grave guard
Cairn wraiths
Orc boyz
Big uns
Savage big uns
Thunderers
Black knights
Forsaken
Chaos marauders (great weapons)
Dragon ogres
Longbeards (GW)
Goblins
Orc arrer boyz
Arachnarok spider
Boar boyz big uns
Hellcannon
>>144226753
They're both a waste of time.
>>144226516
>FRONTLINE MELEE SPECIALISTS
they are not frontline, monsters are for flanking
>>144226019
I agree, but regeneration in general needs a buff. It only heals for something like 4 hp a second. For a monster with more than six thousand hp, it's not even a drop in a bucket.
Most fights last around 10 minutes with the first 2-3 minutes having the two lines walk to meet one another, so that leaves something like 5-7 minutes of actual fighting. During a period of 7 minutes, the Varghulf will heal for 1680 hp, which is nothing.
I think if they buffed regeneration or perhaps caused it to scale with unit size, the vamp monsters would be less useless, and pulling them from the fight to heal would actually be a useful tactic.
There's an idea, maybe boost regeneration out of combat, to make them more hit-and-run and less tank focused?
>>144225879
>This is what people actually believe
Vampire units poof out of existence when they route. When they're feeling uneasy, they start cooking themselves to make themselves lose faster.
You have no idea how VC morale works.
Also, it doesn't matter if monsters flank, not only will they be sandwiched in by whatever was being held back or by cav, but all that happens is they push into the unit because they're behind it and end up surrounded and die. Especially Vargeists.
Fuck off and actually die, shitter.
>>144226764
It's literally called a melee specialist in the unit recruitment guide you moron
Got bored of VC and want something completely different.
What next?
>>144226898
Yeah and tw's deliberately a game where micro won't make a massive difference
as a non-rts fan that's why I like it
>>144226935
Low tier units:
Reiksguard
Pistoliers
Outriders
Spearmen (shields)
Great cannon
Mortar
Irondrakes (both)
Slayers
Hammerers
Miners
Cannon
Trolls
Chaos trolls
Night goblins (any form)
Goblin archers
Savage orc arrer boyz
Giant
Chaos Giant
Orc boar boyz (both)
Savage boar big uns
Hexwraiths
Black knights (lances)
Skeleton warriors
Grave guard (GW)
Crypt ghouls
Terrorgheist
Varghulf
Chaos marauders
Chaos warriors
Chaos warriors(GW)
Chosen (GW)
Chaos spawn
Chaos trolls (armoured)
Chaos warhounds (poison)
Dragon ogre shaggoth
Chaos knights
Marauder horsemen (both)
Oh shit what the fuck are you doing tier:
Luminark of Hysh
Helblaster Volley Gun
Helstorm Rocket Battery
Flame cannon
Organ gun
Gyrocopters (all shapes)
Goblin wolf chariot
Orc boar chariot
Vargheists
Crypt ghouls
Chosen
Chosen (halberds)
Chaos warriors (Halberds)
Chaos knights (lances)
Chaos chariot
Gorebeast Chariot
>>144226884
>>144226929
Thank you, already halfway through my campaign and yes, it does stretch the campaign to unnecessary length (like this stupid orc rebels going out and taking over my town as empire).
I'd just use the submod then, unless you think vanilla diplomacy is the way to go?
>>144226935
>>144227076
What are you even basing this list on?
>>144226019
The Vargulf he's for 2hp a tick. Regeneration is worthless.
If you pull a Vargulf out it will cook itself.
You have never played VC please leave.
>>144227160
on baiting
>>144227076
>crypt ghouls lower than crypt horrors
ya na yer a cunt
lel
One of the loading screen "tips" told me about crypt ghouls saying that they are have armor piercing. They actually don't in game. Bad!
>>144227076
God tier lords and heroes:
Karl Franz (Deathclaw)
Azhag (skullmumcha)
Mannfred (Hellsteed, Zombie dragon)
Witch hunter
High tier lords and heroes:
Chaos sorcerer lord (death, Manticore)
Runesmith
Empire captain/paladin (barded warhorse/pegasus)
Balthasar Gelt (Imperial pegasus)
Chaos sorcerer lord (metal,Manticore)
Night goblin shaman
Vampire
Wight king (barded skeletal steed)
Louen (Beaquis)
Lord (Bretonnia, Hippogryph)
Mediocre tier lords and heroes
Lord (Imperial gryphon)
Warrior priest
Light wizard
Dwarf lord
Exalted hero (barded chaos steed)
Orc shaman
Warboss (Warboar)
Chaos sorcerer (metal, manticore)
Chaos sorcerer (Death, Metal, Chaos steed)
Kholek suneater
Low tier lords and heroes
Bright wizard
Thane
Ungrim Ironfist
Thorgrim grudgebearer
Celestial wizard
Damsel
Grimgor Ironhide
Goblin big boss (Giant spider)
Vampire lord
Oh shit what the fuck are you doing tier (lords and heroes edition):
Prince sigvald the magnificent
Archaon the everchosen
Master engineer
Chaos sorcerer lord (fire)
Goblin great shaman
Chaos sorcerer (Fire)
Banshee
Necromancer
Master necromancer
Heinrich Kemmler
WHAT THE FUCK ARE CA TEASING?
THE HIDDEN VIDEO LINK DOESN'T WORK.
WHAT IS IT?
ARGHH!!!
THEY TEASING BLOOD AND GORE DLC?
>>144227031
>You have no idea how VC morale works
You evidently don't, the crumbling threshold is way after any routing limit
Vampire Counts seriously need a nerf, I just played them in multiplayer and their fucking OP SKELETON SPEARMEN TORE UP MY 5 UNITS OF DEMIGRYPH KNIGHTS
THIS IS INSANE
>>144226898
There is no strategy game where you have an army of 4k+ vs. and army of 4k+
What do you not understand, autist?
>>144226172
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?731740-3d-modelers-REDOWNLOAD-THE-UU3D-EMPIRE-TW-(Variant-Rigid)-PLUGIN-TO-WORK-WITH-WARHAMMER-MODELS
>>144227183
Please watch Legend of Total Wars utterly cheeseshit VC campaign where he does NOTHING but fight with the Vargulf and Manfred for the first 5 videos.
>>144225079
early and mid tier units are pretty weak but once you get your grave guards with great weapons, hexwraiths, terrorgheists and varghulfs, you'll be fucking shit up; bats and vargheists help with ranged units
grave guards hold the line well and the rest are not only strong but cause terror too so a lot of units will simply rout soon after they begin fighting
and terrorgheists are damn near indestructible
>>144227248
One of us just won something is all. Their offices were closed when we got it so we will find out tomorrow.
>>144227248
what video link?
>>144226901artist:mizone
>>144227048
operative word being frontline in both my post and the one I replied to
Don't be a deliberately dense cunt
>>144227058
Empire, you have no reason not to use the best faction by miles.
>>144227248
You can bet it probably just a chaos dlc codeOr maybe a high king edition of the game?
>>144227292
Bretonnian men at arms would do the same thing.
>>144227383
They said the video was just a teaser that led somewhere else.
>>144227384
Check their twitter. They posted a panoramic screenshot with a secret URL on the right side city wall blended in. Its a youtube video but now unavailable. They said someone found it but it leads somewhere else.
>>144227367
I don't understand the point of mp. There is no skill involved, how can there be any competition? Might as well play competitive minecraft.
>>144227554
It lead to a picture of Joeys stuntie
>>144227367
You really never played sup com?
Just stop fucking talking then if you're that genre ignorant
>>144227378
I think those videos aren't canon for mp shitposters because they don't have the micro skill necessary to avoid combat
>couldn't play warhams yesterday because I was out of town for work
>that's cool, I could use a day off from the game anyway
>job extended thru tomorrow
>and probably Saturday too
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>144221598
ROLLIN ONA RIVER
You're at the refectory when these dawi come along and slap your girlfriend in the calf.
What do you do?
>>144227375
Now that's a good feeling.
So Proper Kislev mods soon? Proper Estalian mods?
>>144227378
>The campaign is easy as shit and the AI sucks
>>144227379
Hexwraiths and Cairn Wraiths are a complete trick, do not use them. They take 75% less damage and have 75% less health. They were designed by a fucking moron, you're not actually getting an ethereal unit.
>>144227610
Joey's a Gobbo m8
>chaos invasion and vargskaellig whack-a-mole shitfest starts
>lose will to continue campaign
Every time
>>144227240
>Low tier lords and heroes
>Grimgor
>>144227554
we saw the vid last thread
It was just gratz for finding us if you were first
>>144227554
They said what you would find in the panoramic screenshot would lead you somewhere else, which it did. The video description or something had something to contact, which one of us did, after which they took the video down, but the original person put up a mirror. They said they would contact him tomorrow because their officers are closed.
>>144221598
Gib manlets pls, I don't wanna play spoops until I get a new graphics card to play on ultra
>>144227515
Yah but are they fun? I felt VC had to turtle way too much.
>>144227554
It lead to a video of joey basically telling that person he was lucky and to email them at a certain address for a "special gift" that Craig is going to reveal to them tomorrow. An anon from here posted screencaps in the last thread since he was the first.
>>144227774
why is she such a cutie
>>144225272
>>144225849
Beddow is fucking shit and you know it
>>144227240
>Ungrim and Grimgor
>Low tier
>>144227604
>There is no skill involved
kek
>>144227920
way to fucking chunky and not in the good way
>>144227818
>>144227821
>>144227859
Okay. Thanks lads. Probably a Chaos code then :/
>inb4 he gets sent a code for the first DLC.
>>144227240
>>144227725
Cast Bjuna and tie them up with bats. That'll teach em.
