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>>144189606
first for rollan!
Can't wait for jezzail firing lines
At least people are complaining about unit and magic balance which isn't that hard to patch
>stop buying chosen
>instead, buy a shit-ton of norscan horse fucking shits and a million poison dogs
>sprinkle in some chariots
>zerg the enemy
MPfags, tell me how this certified WINNING Varg/Skaeling strat doesn't work.
> Tomb Kings still not announced
>>144189606
>Skaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNc242mbiUs
>>144189715
A single tank shuts it down
>>144189697
Hopefully patch soon, as you say that should be done relatively easy.
>>144189682
Best and most interesting faction
>>144189724
Cry cry more man-thing
TWW is the worst TW game ever
Because there is absolutely no way I could ever play a different TW game without getting bored shitless
All this magic, diverse units, monsters, fun main lords, factions that actually feel and play differently
CA has really fucked the whole brand now, I dont even want M3 anymore I just want more TWW
>4 stacks of chaos all with legendary lords show up at once
>Sigvald the Magnificent and his stack detach from scary bird n co.
>beat his army
>"CHAOS DEFEATED"
>the 3 stacks with Kholek Suneater, Archaon the Everchosen and bird man just vanish
WTF IS THIS SHIT SRS WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA
SPOOKY SCARY CHAOS OVER WITH A SHITTY STACK AGAINST A HALF STACK AND NOW THATS IT!
>>144189794
>I just want more TWW
There will be for the next 10 years!it was a 10 year plan CA talked about, right?
God tier units:
Greatswords
Black orcs
Demigryph knights (Halberds)
Quarrelers
Fell bats
Grudge throwers
High tier units:
Demigryph knights
Rock lobba
Halberdiers
Handgunners
Outriders (GL)
Longbeards
Goblin wolf riders
Savage boyz
Chaos warhounds/dire wolves
Crypt horrors
Miners (BC)
Steam tank
Spearmen
Mediocre units:
Swordsmen
Crossbowmen
Empire knights
Goblin wolf archers
Goblin spider riders
Goblin spider rider archers
Crossbowmen
Dwarf warriors
Ironbreakers
Doomdiver
Zombies
Skeleton spearmen
Grave guard
Cairn wraiths
Orc boyz
Big uns
Savage big uns
Thunderers
Black knights
Forsaken
Chaos marauders (great weapons)
Dragon ogres
Longbeards (GW)
Goblins
Orc arrer boyz
Arachnarok spider
Boar boyz big uns
Hellcannon
>>144189884
Low tier units:
Reiksguard
Pistoliers
Outriders
Spearmen (shields)
Great cannon
Mortar
Irondrakes (both)
Slayers
Hammerers
Miners
Cannon
Trolls
Chaos trolls
Night goblins (any form)
Goblin archers
Savage orc arrer boyz
Giant
Chaos Giant
Orc boar boyz (both)
Savage boar big uns
Hexwraiths
Black knights (lances)
Skeleton warriors
Grave guard (GW)
Crypt ghouls
Terrorgheist
Varghulf
Chaos marauders
Chaos warriors
Chaos warriors(GW)
Chosen (GW)
Chaos spawn
Chaos trolls (armoured)
Chaos warhounds (poison)
Dragon ogre shaggoth
Chaos knights
Marauder horsemen (both)
Oh shit what the fuck are you doing tier:
Luminark of Hysh
Helblaster Volley Gun
Helstorm Rocket Battery
Flame cannon
Organ gun
Gyrocopters (all shapes)
Goblin wolf chariot
Orc boar chariot
Vargheists
Crypt ghouls
Chosen
Chosen (halberds)
Chaos warriors (Halberds)
Chaos knights (lances)
Chaos chariot
Gorebeast Chariot
>>144189794
It's nice not having 1000 Spearman vs Spearman battles
ALSO BEASTMEN WHEN I WANT TO AMBUSH EMPIRE SHITS
>>144189794
>mfw I actually want to play every faction at least oncethe campaign is much shorter than in other games
tricked again
Can you defeat chaos in the game ?
>>144189884
>>144189964
This tier list is absolute rubbish and you should feel bad for making it
>>144189964
God tier lords and heroes:
Karl Franz (Deathclaw)
Azhag (skullmumcha)
Mannfred (Hellsteed, Zombie dragon)
Witch hunter
High tier lords and heroes:
Chaos sorcerer lord (death, Manticore)
Runesmith
Empire captain/paladin (barded warhorse/pegasus)
Balthasar Gelt (Imperial pegasus)
Chaos sorcerer lord (metal,Manticore)
Night goblin shaman
Vampire
Wight king (barded skeletal steed)
Louen (Beaquis)
Lord (Bretonnia, Hippogryph)
Mediocre tier lords and heroes
Lord (Imperial gryphon)
Warrior priest
Light wizard
Dwarf lord
Exalted hero (barded chaos steed)
Orc shaman
Warboss (Warboar)
Chaos sorcerer (metal, manticore)
Chaos sorcerer (Death, Metal, Chaos steed)
Kholek suneater
Low tier lords and heroes
Bright wizard
Thane
Ungrim Ironfist
Thorgrim grudgebearer
Celestial wizard
Damsel
Grimgor Ironhide
Goblin big boss (Giant spider)
Vampire lord
Oh shit what the fuck are you doing tier (lords and heroes edition):
Prince sigvald the magnificent
Archaon the everchosen
Master engineer
Chaos sorcerer lord (fire)
Goblin great shaman
Chaos sorcerer (Fire)
Banshee
Necromancer
Master necromancer
Heinrich Kemmler
>>144190016
yes, in fact, it's one of your main goals
>>144189794
This is the first TW where the faction pack dlcs are really exciting.
Its still too green and shallow right now to keep me absolutely engrossed, im anxious to see how much they improve with parts 2 and 3.
>>144190083
>>144189964
>>144189884
Please kill yourself, and never post that rubbish again
>>144189964
>Oh shit what the fuck are you doing tier:
>Vargheists
??
>>144189964
>Helblaster Volley Gun
>Organ gun
>Bad
Those are some shit opinions you got there
>>144189884
>>144189964
>>144190083
These aren't COMPLETELY inaccurate but it's also nowhere near completely accurate either. Basically, stop posting these fucking lists like it's some sort of agreed upon thing, people are only okay with tier lists when they're A) not shitting up the thread, B) actually generally agreed upon, C) fucking having a point for existing
>>144189884
>>144190083
STOP POSTING THIS SHIT IN EVERY GENERAL YOU AUTISTIC FAGGOT HOLY FUCK
>there's no orc boyz with spears
>goblins w/ spears are worthless
>>144190292
>>Helblaster Volley Gun
I actually agree on that one. A cannon does a better job.
Its really unfortunately because its my favorite artillery piece by far. Gonna have to mod it to be better.
>>144190342
orc boyz should be a mixed unit
>>144189964
>Luminark of Hysh
>Bad
15% physical immunity to troops near it is the complete opposite of bad.
>dwarf kin
>vampire
Being the bulwark against the largest and most endless chaos invasion I've experienced in this game has made the stunties love me.
>>144190450
orc boys in the tabletop have access to spears, so it would make sense
at the very least there should be a spear orc boy unit
>>144189842
>>144189842
this not happen to anyone else ?
>>144190470
It's a shame that wiping out all Empire, Bretonnia and Dwarves are part of being a vampire, cos we're all getting along really well. I mean, I'm corrupting half the planet which is basically slowly killing everyone, but we're all friends.
>>144190450
>>144190342
>>144190568
>orc boyz
>using spears
Not choppy enuf.
>>144190729
Orc halberds when
They're choppy and stabby at the same time
>>144190729
They already have those fucking gits who use bows.
>orc boyz
>no orc girlz
my soggy knee
How come some lords have really hard quest battles when most of them are piss easy?
>>144190898
Poor balance
>>144190882
I was disappointed when I found out Orcs in Fantasy are the same as 40k Orks. The thought of Orcs reproducing deep in the bowels of the world by some fucked up means (see Darkspawn in Dragon Age).
>>144189542
sort of yes, maybe not exactly like eliphas, but basically the way chaos guys sound in dow, its a decent mixture of angry with crazy
I wonder what the mini/historical campaign packs for Warhammer will be.
The rise of Sigmar/Nagash/Sotek, the War of the Beard and the Sundering are all pretty viable, after the relevant expansions obviously. Maybe Waaagh! Gorbad/Grom as well.
>>144191004
First vampire war when
>>144190898
Gelt got some good and challenging quest battles. Though your army comp has much to do with the difficulty.
>>144191039
Oh fug I forgot that.
>Based Vlad may be playable in your lifetime.
>>144190898
Well, they do vary quite a bit, what units you bring can make a big difference too though.
>>144190974
Skaven have that sort of thing going on.
I am dumb.
Should this be able to run total warhams on ultra with above 40fps? Currently going on high/medium and it get choppy with multi stack battles. Am I fucking up.
>>144191004
There's so much they could do for Warhammer. I'm hype.
>>144190082
I like how they put some incredibly cost efficient shit in the lower tiers
Like duh that early game unit isn't designed to compete with endgame shit
hurry up you gits, the waagh is getting ripped apart there
>>144191004
I would love to see The War of Eight Peaks, but I guess maybe it's too small an area to cover in a mini campaign.
There are so many great invasions of the Empire that would work though.
>>144191095
>>144191062
I'm doing gobbos and azhag's just seems insane for something that's unlocked at level 8
>>144190342
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
>>144190729
ITS CALLED A PIGSTIKKA YA FUGGIN GIT AND IMMA STIKA MA PIG IN YA
SUMMON
>>144191120
Nigga something is seriously wrong if you are not getting 60fps at minimum
>>144191264
I can't remember the details of that one.
The Grimgor one that takes place up near the Chaos Wastes was a bastard for me.Hellcannons and infantry at the top of a massive fucking hill, then cav reinforcements from all angles.
>>144191363
oh god help
What do I do, I don't know what could be slowing it down, ive never had this problem on previous pc's so Ive never looked into it.
>>144191281
U ZOGGIN WUT?!
>>144189794
Why the heavy sarcasm
>>144191438
Azhag's is chaos wastes against 3 stacks
I don't mind hard quest battles but let me take my own extra stacks up there
>>144191496
PIGSTIKKA YA GIT
YOU IZ NOT ORCY ENOUGH
>>144191682
Oh I remember now, lots of monsters and shit right?
I had a ton of Black Orcs for that one.
Kislev has just been released and one of these guys must lead your nation against the Chaos invaders, who do you pick?
How am I supposed to play campaign overworld in these games I suck
>>144191879
Young Putin
>very hard Empire run with ELECTROCUNT as my LL
>unite reikland no problem and grab Middenheim, sitting pretty and watching settlements grow for a few turns
>grab a trade deal with Kislev, Weissland and Stirland
>Nordland and Ostland just hate my guts (and what the fuck Karl's questline wants me to get a military alliance with Nordland, and they're -20 for great power (sitting only on reikland???) and -15 for aversion (???), along with most others just grumbling
>Brettonia's cool with me though
>confederate Stirland, get two castles and half an army out of the deal
>everybody hates me harder
>Vampire Counts declare war
>fucking bring it Manfred
>BTFO a few Vampire Cuck stacks, burn Essen and Talabecland keep as the Vamps had expanded there
>suddenly SKAELING DECLARES WAR
>four fucking three-gold chevron stacks lands on Middenheim's port and sieges it
>manage to keep Mannfred at bay with my understaffed stack keeping Talabecland keep as Karl rushes to save Middenheim
>all-out war ensues as the Skaelings keep sending armies, and Mannfred with his lesser vampire sluts barking at my door
>finally the thread unravels, start losing castles on both sides as agents keep hindering my armies to reinforce the sieges
>less income than I have in upkeep, despite getting a truly sexual trade agreement with the dwarfs for killing skellingtons
>my armies desert me because they're not getting paid enough to fight skeletrons and vikings
help
>>144191438
>>144191682
Mannfred's sword quest was so hilariously easy that the third wave of enemies ran away before getting within 500m of my guys. I guess goblins aren't so great against crypt horrors and scary vargheists. Still, most of my army was just skellington spearmans. There's no way they actually expect you to march all the way into the fucking badlands though, so I'm glad you can just teleport.
Finally understood why I have most fun playing Empire even though they are the most "boring" race in warhammer.
They are the only ones with:
>usable infantry
>usable archers
>usable artillery
>usable cavalry
Funny how after the flavor wears off it all boils to essentials.
>>144191973
Yeah vamps ones are piss easy
I don't think you could actually march there without dying of attrition
>>144192000
So just like goblins but really overpowered too?
>>144192038
>I don't think you could actually march there without dying of attrition
You could raid all the way there I guess but that would be fucking stupid
>>144191762
I'LL ZOGGIN STIK YA WIF ME CHOPPA YA GROT
>>144191879
Sergey for melee monster
Pyotr for campaign effects
>>144189884
>Fell bats
Elaborate.
>>144192000
>Funny how after the flavor wears off it all boils to essentials
>funny
It really isn't unexpected, isn't this the same thing fantasy fans use to pick apart the unit variety in historical games? It really just boils down to the few unit types that matter.
>>144191973
Goblins against Vampires really is fucking awful, I had to load an old save when I managed to provoke the VC in my Gobbo campaign.
>>144192000
You mean they're the only ones with all four?
>>144192000
Same thing as any fantasy game.There's a strong race with some disadvantage, a weak race with some advantage, a few specialized race, and then the humans which are completely middle of the road.
>>144192000
Dwarfs work the same way for me desu, never really needed cav to win my battles and I prefer not using it even if I have to.
>>144192305
I've never been big on cav in ancient Total Wars, don't know why. I just enjoy spamming massive lines of super heavy infantry and rolling the enemy up like a carpet.
>>144192178
The only ones that have decent units in all 4 categories.
Orcs have all 4 too, but most of time you're better off without the archers, unless you're fighting other orcs.
Chaos was my favorite race in Fantasy, but they are so boring to play in total warhammer. Just endless melee spam. You can get few hellcannons and chaos knights to make it less worse but it's still so tedious.
>tfw Arra Boyz are pretty good in sieges because they are shooty and choppy
>>144192305
Dwarfs have some big advantages that you don't get in historical total wars though.
I can't do without cav normally. My friend who I play co-op with never brings any, it drives me crazy sometimes.
>>144192527
Chaos would be fine if they actually had noticeably strong infantry
At the 25 minute mark, the moshpit ork squad decided to fight me.
Only to immediately flee, because my Vargheists somehow just drained Goregrim's morale in an instant.
Some quest requirements are fucking strange.
>>144189884
>>144189964
>>144190083
Master of keks. Did you put everything in randomly or are you that retarded ?
>>144192527
>>144192641
I've not played as Chaos yet, when I've faced them they don't really seem like the super elite army you'd expect on the table top though.
Balancing, or lack of it, around the stack limit is causing some strangeness I guess.
>>144192769
Yeah I think the issue is that everyone gets 20 units per army
A small elite unit like chaos warriors is never gonna work in total war because they'll naturally get flanked
>>144189884
>feel bats
???
>rocklobba
Doomdivers are better
>Chaos warhounds/dire wolves
Actually quite pricey for what they do
>Goblins
Trash. They are cheap like VC units, but will rout instantly.
>Chosen
Not THAT bad. move them one tier up.
fug, confederating with bloody spears may have been a mistake, I got all that clay above deathpass, but I will likely just lose it soon to rebellions and inevitable war declarations anyway, though I suppose Gunbad I can hold, since it has a gold mine and is a city so pretty much impossible for the AI to capture
but then again, if I didnt take it the Dwarves would have, and fuck those manlets, the only downside here is that I now discovered the vampire spookmeisters and I really dont want to fight them, yet
>Grimgor auto resolve
>he accounts for over 70% of my armies kills, some ridiculous shit like 600
>>144192831
The unit system fucks over shit troops too.
20 units of Goblins are all individually rubbish, you can't mob them up into a few big scary hordes that would take forever to get rid of.
>>144192615
Dwarves are actually kinda like a Roman legion in troop composition.
>>144193048
Complete with their nonextant cavalry.
>>144193037
zombies kinda work as shit troops since they're so spread out they never die and they don't rout thus they stay in combat forever
So you can use them to secure flanking attacks
>>144193071
It's fine, radious will add auxillary cav from the humans
>>144192582
Quarrelers too.
If the sieges weren't so terrible I'd almost feel bad about abusing the fuck out of them.
>>144193048
I only pop up above ground to attack settlements as Dwarfs. The underway battles just favour you so much, especially if you get that one with the massive dip in the middle of the road.
>>144193137
Does Radious add cav for the Romans in R2? It's like their only weakness so I could see him doing it.
>>144193037
Don't remember if it was 40k or fantasy but there was some rule that the orcs become unbreakable when they have high numbers of orcs alive.
Would love to see that in the game
>>144190716
VC are fun.
Marienburg and Talabecland, my "allies", are getting rekt by the rebellion caused by the corruption and I have high level banshees ready to breach wall before they attack.
Why are there no loot and raze option?
>>144192957
So, a regular tuesday.
>Can't recruit Greatswords
>Additional building required: Armoury
But I have an Armoury. I have many.
>>144193137
Can't wait for Dwarf Chaos Boar riders (Great halberds)
>>144193372
>WoC down in death pass
wut
>>144192957
Too bad you didn't get to witness any of his glory first hand.
>>144192641
>Born in Chaos Vastes
>Have to fight for your life from birth
>Extremely rough climate and fucking warp influence everywhere
>Veteran of a hundreds raids
>Get blessed by chaos gods, gain 5cm thick armor and superhuman strenght
>Get choosen by a god, become his champion, at this point you are no longer a human, weapon of the gods made manifest
>Get beten by some fag in frilly pants and stupid moustache
>>144190716
Do what vamps do best and backstab those folks
>>144193372
Archaon, Sigvald, Kholek and the Lord of change came knocking at Essen.
Rekt their ass then kholek and the lord of change managed to flee in the moutain. I let them go which is a good thing becase now they are shitting on the dwarf.
>>144191363
>2 gig gpu
>960 gtx
>falling for the 32 gig RAM meme
He is getting the preformance he deserves
Quick post musics for each race.
I need comfy VC music.
>orc campaign
>can only get infantry for now
>go west into savage orc lands
>oh they have lots of archers, easy
>they can fucking outrun me forever on the giant maps and just whittle me down
>can't even get cavalry at this stage
Ah yes this is fair
>>144191482
Your VRAM is way too low for modern games
Get a newer GPU
>>144193983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb7W_cikUp0
>>144194006
You can get cav at settlement tier two.
>>144194006
>intentionally go fight things you're not perpared to handle
>complain its not fair when you lose
>>144194006
Just get the goblin wolf riders, they're sanic fast, easy to get and cheap as fuck.
Jesus fucking christ, why can't I confedate these Top Knot assholes. Fuck them seriously.
>>144194309
Because you have to wait a number of turns between confederations
>>144194309
It might be better to leave them until after theChaos amphibious assault on the Badlands anyway.
>>144194363
How many turns?
>>144189965
man we are so few in numers...
who loves nice raping goats here? they are literally me
>shitting all over the place
>try to rape woman because I'm too ulgy to seduce them in the common way
>Steal the shit out of my roomates
>My old GF cucked me, so now I have horns.
>>144188621
Are they? Thought had less armor
>>144188614
Are crypt horrors good though?
How many turns is a campaign game on average?
I'm playing an Orc game on Legendary and am about to reach300although i only really have the empire left to deal with.
Mod to close Franz's visor when?
>>144193559
>stupid moustache
>being a pleb with shit taste
What's the best mod for Atilla that enhances the game without destroying balance and making it babby mode (lel radius)
Guys why does my new hard drive sound like a coffee maker sometimes.
>>144194629
How could he tell others to SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS then?
>>144194542
>Are crypt horrors good though?
They are the best monsters in the VC roster, they mince melee infantry.
>>144189794
Yup, totally agree. I'm actually looking forward to playing and conquering the Old World as every single faction. Before I would beat one, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe two factions then call it quits.
Somebody on /v/ just claimed that I should set the battle difficulty to normal on my hard campaign
Is it true that battle difficulty only gives the AI buffs and doesn't actually make it smarter?
Talking about warhammer
>>144194542
crypt horrors are fucking nice, so far they've been shredding whatever I send them into
greatsword graveguards have 13 less melee defence, 4 more charge bonus, and 2 less weapon strength, but obviously they have 26 armor piercing damage compared to normal ones 8. They also don't have shields, which for graveguards are the 50% ones, not 30% like most things have. Normal ones cost 83% as much upkeep as well. If you're going against anything with a decent amount of armor, greatswords are probably winners
>>144194704
install gentoo
>>144194770
Karl Franz can never be raped, he makes it very clear that THIS ACTION DOES NOT HAVE HIS CONSENT
Are there any mods that let you move the camera freely in legendary mode?
Because fuck that restriction, I want to watch explosions dammit.
>>144193559
>Born in Nordland
>Have to endure Chaos, Beastmen and Dark Elf raids from birth
>Ok climate but disease and Beastmen fucking everywhereand did I mention nightly Skaven raids and kidnappings?
>Veteran of hundreds battles
>Years upon years of training and equipment worth a minor village I stride forth with my Zweihander able to cleave through fully armored knights in two
>Get chosen by Elector Count to join his personal regiment. At this point I'm no longer a man, I'm a weapon of the Empire and the God Emperor Karl Franz
>Hack some dude with imaginary deamon crafted armor with no military knowledge apart from rape and pillage to mere pieces
>>144194650
>>144194650
>>144194650
Pls respond.
>>144195101
Total War: Warhammer playing as Greenskins
>>144194952
That is correct.
Doesn't mean you should automatically lower it though.
>>144194650
There really isnt one, although the AoC unit pack is fairly good, but thats for AoC.
>>144195043
>I stride forth with my Zweihander able to cleave through fully armored knights in two
And here comes another version of the katana pasta
How come orcs and goblins dont ride horses?
Its easier than taming the other beasts they keep.
Just got The Stuff of Legend
Vamps a literal SHIT.
>>144194952
Yes. Its a flat morale bonus to the AI, absolutely nothing else changes in the combat.
Game is balanced around normal so I would stick to it.
I heard higher difficulty in battle simply give you a flat leadership malus. What of it ? IT's not even a percentage ? If that's the case it means that factions with lower leadership ( VC and orcs mainly ) suffer the mosts from higher difficulty.
Can already imagine a unit of skelly crumbling before even engaging the ennemies.
>>144189680
rollan
>>144194363
Savage orc tribes are different from normal greenskins, so you can't confederate them as far as I can tell.
>>144195043
You mean
>Born in Averland
>Life is pretty good, farming and shit
>Get concripted
>Stand around in towns doing shit all
>Beastmen attack
>Accidentally survive a battle
>Get promoted
>Still able to kill half a ton of metal and spikes because CA are hacks
>>144192582
>puttin a choppah un de end uvva stabby stik
Note to self:
Never put pistoliers in melee
>>144194986
>istall gentoo
why? does that fix the issue?
>>144195286
Seriously, just morale? I assumed it was flat combat bonuses as well.
>>144195470
Never put them in your army
They're dogshit
>>144195212
Because you can feed Boars, Wolves and Squigs on Gobbos, dead enemies or whatever else you might happen to come across. Horses are a bit picky.
>>144195286
What!?
I've been drudging through Very Hard. There's no difference?!
>>144195427
That means you can stab and chop though. Pretty Morky...
>>144195304
No, it only buffs the enemies leadership
>>144192723
FORM A DEFENSIVE ALLIANCE WITH A FACTION THAT HATES YOU KARL.
>>144195212
Horses need grooming and shit
>>144195304
What I really hate is how you have a -4 Public Order modifier on your cities that just says 'Difficulty level' What!? That's not thematic at all, its just annoying.
And now I'm learning the AI doesn't have different tactics or anything, it just gives them a buff in battle.
What about strategically? Do they act any differently?
Gork or Mork?
>>144195304
>>144195516
>>144195581
This is the only reference to difficulty and the combat in the entire TWW database. I spend about 2 hours looking thoroughly through everything, I also looked through all the older games from what modders found and there has NEVER been any difference in combat other than morale buffs/debuffs. You can see it ingame as well when you mouse over the morale of your troops in a battle.
AI obviously refers to the AIs bonuses, player for the players debuffs. It stacks on very hard/legendary.
In terms of its gameplay effects it can be massive. For example, a unit of orc boys will beat a unit of dwarf warriors on normal, but get absolutely decimated on hard or very hard. Which totally fucks up the orcs early game against dwarfs.
>>144195479
It fixes all your issues.
>>144195304
>>144195640
It buffs enemy leadership
+5 on hard
+10 on very hard
>>144192723
>Some quest requirements are fucking strange.
As chaos it kept asking me to beat an army halfway across the map in 3 turns
>>144195721
They will declare war and stuff on you more often on harder difficulties
>>144195212
Because horses aren't orky. Boars have tusks, are violent, and eat anything. They're basically orcs on four legs with fur.Oh an yes, before any of you autists point out that orks are from 40k I know and you can eat a dick. The term still applies.
Goblins are too small to tame horses.
>>144195652
if you wipe that faction out you skip the quest
fuck Nordland, they get destroyed by Skaeling when Chaos starts anyway
>>144195721
There is a mod to remove that public order issue.
>What about strategically? Do they act any differently?
Technically, yes. The AI is 'smarter' in that it is more aggressive and will declare war on you if you are weak.
>>144195760
If you don't have a waagh get +4 over 3 turns
If you have a waagh get +3 over 4
>>144195721
They can field a lot more armies on the higher difficulties so they're more aggressive.
>>144194980
>>144194809
I though monstrous units where supposed to be shit?
>mince melee infantry.
what type of melee infantry? only low tier or also high tier.
>>144195760
Gork, you get 16 fightiness, for mork you only get 10
>>144196036
They both give 12 retard
>>144194952
I keep the game on base hard. Both the campaign and battle difficulties are set on hard, it feels the most balanced that way. Everything past that is just gaming the AI and why play at that point.
>>144196014
>I though monstrous units where supposed to be shit?
Stop listening to memers on /twg/ who think every unit but Demigryphs and Greatswords are worthless. They are very strong and can easilly take on high tier melee without anti-large
>>144196075
Do you not know what 4 over 3 turns means?
That's 4 times 3
Meanwhile mork only get 3 times 4
Gork gives you a whole 6 more
>Couldnt find where to build the goblin reserch bench thing.
Guess this WAAAGH is CHOPPA only
>Gitsnik quest
>Assassinate a Greenskin hero
>they are all already wiped out and it doesn't count the Savage Orc tribe as part of the faction
Fuck
>>144196172
almost all the people complaining about monsters seem to be using them as infantry rather than flanking troops
The fightiness boost from the Gork or Mork event choice is completely irrelevant.
>>144196014
/twg/ is retarded as fuck, ignore all posts on unit effectiveness/weakness here
>>144196260
It's your fault because of your shitty attitude to the game
>>144196189
Are you ok anon?
>>144196189
>what is reading comprehension?
4 x 3 = 12
3 x 4 = 12
>>144195921
Oh awesome. Which one?
>>144196014
Maybe in multiplayer battles they're not as efficient or effective or something, but they're perfectly fucking fine in single-player. They're only 168 upkeep per turn, so it's not like they're going to destroy an army of halberds or something, but they can definitely hold their own against elite troops. They're got armor piercing, so they're useful for fighting armored enemies which most of the stronger melee units are. Some of the units in this game are pretty shit, but ignore people who say shit like 'all the monsters in the game are fucking useless'.
>>144196412
wow anon learn your fucking times tables
>>144196364
The most retarded posts here are people complaining about how hard the Dwarf start is.
I'm not even sure what game they're playing.
>>144195921
>The AI is 'smarter' in that it is more aggressive and will declare war on you if you are weak.
That's mainly because they pull massive armies out of their ass.
>>144196426
no public order penalties from difficulty
Honestly the only nice thing from higher difficulties is the fact the AI has more armies and is more aggressive so you cant camp forever, all the other changes are rubbish.
>>144196457
(You)
>>144196382
wew lad it was something like turn 22 when I got to that part of the quest, I've never seen the other orcs wiped out so fast.
>>144196412
>Meanwhile mork only get 3 times 4
>Gork gives you a whole 6 more
Mork != Gork
>what is reading comprehension?
>>144196534
I don't have Warhammer but speaking from past experience the battle changes are garbage past hard too.
>get charged by germanic cavalry on legendary
>my testudo'd spearmen die instantly
>my ERE Armored Archers get fucking melted by WRE unarmored archers
Literal magic
I'm gonna play attilla
What's a good faction for a normal game of it before I start playing the silly dlc factions?
Post your best meme armies!
>>144196612
You know one of them lasts a turn longer right?
>>144196743
WRE legendary my man
>>144196743
Franks, lots of cav
Or Alans, they have lots of cav too
Or Huns, have some good cav
>>144196743
Franks or Ostrogoths (for migrators)
Huns are actually hard
WRE is watching your empire shrink
>>144196841
>Huns are actually hard
Is my memory faulty here, I'm sure I just spammed cav archers and it was a breeze.
>>144192723
>>144195652
Seriously. Quest mods can't come soon enough.
>>144189680
Get
>>144196260
It should progress to the next stage of the quest if all the greenskins tribes are gone
>>144197004
The battles aren't the hard part. Everyone going after you and hordes generally being shit on the tactical map is the problem.
>>144197004
Not everyone knows how to use cav archers, they have a rough start, and they are completely unable to settle which makes them weird.
>>144189680
rollan
inb4 chaos, no dlc for me
>>144189680
Rolling
>>144197194
Hordes are straight up faster than non-horde armies though right?
>>144197004
They're permahorde mode meaning no city defense abuse ever and everyone fucking hates your ass.
You don't have fort stance either.
>>144197262
I think all-cav armies in general are faster but you're forever fucking poor as a horde so you often can't afford it.
>>144196454
Monstrous infantry seems to act like shock infantry, very good on a charge and for breaking up formations. They're fast enough to act like less squishy cavalry, except for Vargheists which are squishy as fuck due to having no armour.
Can you completely wipe out the Varg and Skaeling factions? I'm playing as Vampire Counts and they razed every human city to the north, and they keep trying to hit my shit with full stacks while I slowly move north to test my theory but it's taking forever
Oh and the Empire somehow defeated the WoC
>>144197348
I think a good strat as a horde is you take a horde, stick them in the corner of the map away from everyone, and keep them in perma Encamp Stance and basically serve as your economic base.
>>144197425
I pretty much just stick vargheists on archers and missile cavalry, or use them to smash people from behind who are already losing a fight so they run away and my infantry can move around to flank other enemy units
>autoresolve this thinking it'd lose and then I could get fightiness up from reclaiming it with my actual army
>decisive win
lel
>>144197593
Kind of defeats the purpose of hordemode.
>>144197656
Maybe, but hey it works. That's really my biggest issue with playing any Hordes.
I like building up stuff. And Hordes just don't do that well. Mobile cities sound cool, until you realize they're really not.
>>144196260
then it just jumps to the next part of the quest unless it's bugged
Will they ever learn?
>>144193426
Need your amoury in same province as tier 3 melee recruitment building. , you've been fucking up
>>144197593
I just operated mine in pairs.
Burning cities are your economic base.
Do you agree with his points?
https://youtu.be/etCK4EkjyZw
Summary:
- Siege battles are shit
- Shogun 2 onwards feels too arcade like
- Battles end too quickly
- Multiplayer has been shafted
- Maps are tiny
- Campaign is arcade as fuck, prefers Med2
- Poor diplomacy etc
- Mentions RP, no connection to units, can't customize units, loved Shogun 2 Avatar mode
- Warhammer missed an opportunity by not focusing on MP and having unit painter/named units
- MP battles not options for night battles, snow battles etc
I think I got most.
>>144198109
Does this guy even play the campaigns?
>>144198109
tbqh I sort of understand not allowing named units on ranked battles
no excuse for matched combat tho
>>144198109
>- Shogun 2 onwards feels too arcade like
You know, this point always bugs me. People always say the series feels too "arcade" like.
When they've all played, more or less, the same unless you mod it a lot. I've barely changed playing since M2 or R1 and it still works just fine.
This also reminds me you can get a General with like 40HP in M2.
>>144198109
the the character customization in warhammer I'm really sad there's no avatar conquest like version, where you could level up your own unique lord and kit him out with unique weapons and shit.
>>144198109
>- Shogun 2 onwards feels too arcade like
>- Battles end too quickly
feel like these 2 points are the same thing.
Dogbert v Macedon
dis gonna be gud
>>144198109
>feels too arcade like
>Campaign is arcade as fuck
When I think of arcade, rhythm games, fighting games, light gun shooters and racing games come to mind mostly. The arcades I went to didn't have any turn based strategy or real time tactical games. Care to name a few and elaborate on what they're like so I can understand what you're trying to say?
>>144198291
>no excuse for matched combat tho
thought they removed that?
>>144198467
sorry, meant custom battles, the ones you choose the room
>>144198109
>- Siege battles are shit
Do people really dislike the new sieges that much? They're really simplified sure but the AI can't handle them for shit in older games. At least now they can attack/defend somewhat competently. A little anyway.
The racial siege engines are cool as shit too, especially the dwarf ones.
>>144198109
>Mentions RP, no connection to units, can't customize units, loved Shogun 2 Avatar mode
funny thing is I felt no connection to the units in Shogun 2. this was primarily in campaign though. i never played multiplayer.
also can some one here explain avatar mode to my? I never fully got what the deal with that was.
Do the unique buildings you can build as the empire provide their bonuses for units recruited everywhere or just in that province?
Pfeildorfs master swordsman school for example provides bonus experience to sword recruits. Is that just in that province?
>>144198690
Everything is just that province unless it says "factionwide"
>>144198303
Yeah I have to admit this is, so far, my biggest disappointment. I really loved Avatar Conquest in Shogun 2.
I don't see a point in playing throwaway, pointless multiplayer matches that don't even matter.
>>144198626
>funny thing is I felt no connection to the units in Shogun 2. this was primarily in campaign though. i never played multiplayer.
This
Infact I'd call Shogun 2 one of the worst offenders when it comes to feeling disconnected from your units, because there were so incredibly few different units that you were leading clone armies.
Warhammer actually does this really well I feel, you get a unit that performs exceptionally in a battle, you decide to change its name, and you form an emotional connection to it.
>>144198109
I like how arcade just means playable
>>144198465
I believe the word arcade is being used to compare MP battles/campaign game play to that of a typical arcade game. Short plays, simple mechanics, no depth, a jump in and play kind of game.
>>144198617
imo they're ok but iI would really like access to the whole city. or maybe make it a multi-tier fight where you have to take sections of the city until you reach the centre.
>>144198617
Their defending in sieges is worse than ever. Especially since standing on the wall seems to offer zero benefit against being shot with bows or crossbows.
I'll let you know what I think if the AI ever assaults one of my walled settlements.
>>144198109
>Warhammer missed an opportunity by not focusing on MP
lol no they didn't
Based Dogbert beat POM
>>144198346
and Prince of Manlets got fucked despite Empire
>>144198109
>Siege battles are shit
As in every TW game
>Battles end too quickly
That's true though.
>Maps are tiny
Except they aren't but why not lie a bit.
>Campaign is arcade as fuck, prefers Med2
>prefers Med2
opinion automatically discarded
>Poor diplomacy etc
Better than most TW games I've played so far.
>Mentions RP, no connection to units, can't customize units, loved Shogun 2 Avatar mode
>RP
>in a fucking TW
>+ a shitty MP "feature"
>Warhammer missed an opportunity by not focusing on MP and having unit painter/named units
>Multiplayer has been shafted
>MP battles not options for night battles, snow battles etc
>MP
kekekeke
How do I deal with the various dwarf factions as VC ? They always sneakily declare to me once my armies are away somewhere and raze one of my settlements in the same turn.
If I defeat them and raze theirs, it's just a matter of time before some other dwarf faction comes and resettles it and does the same kind of trick.
Am I supposed to genocide all dwarfs ?
>>144189680
Here we go
>>144198986
Genocide stunties. They're relatively easy to kill as VC because you have lots of speedy flying units .
>>144198986
Are you building walls in your settlements?
>>144198986
I just razed all of the settlements near me
If you do that they can't walk up to you without getting raided by greenskins because they've left their settlements with no army
If I delete buildings as a chaos horde will I get population back? Or at least decrease the pop cost of others?
