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Learn to CADC Edition

Previous Thread: >>135835805

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/5aUvHT7j

>What is Pokken Tournament?
Pokken Tournament is a game made by Namco Bandai that is a blend of Tekken and action-fighting games like the Naruto Shippuden series made by the same developer.


>So what are the basics?
You have three basic attack buttons: Weak, Strong, and Pokemon Attack.
Using certain button combinations you can use Counter Attacks or Grabs which can counter attack moves or grab a blocking/shielding opponent respectively.
These form a triangle:
Counters beat Basic Attacks, Grabs beat Counters, and Basic Attacks beat Grabs. Guarding protects against everything but grabs, but certain attacks will do a small amount of damage even through guard.
In Field Mode your weak attacks are typically projectiles and strong attacks are typically melee attacks that track/home. In Duel Mode, weak attacks and strong attacks are both typically melee and not tracking.


>Field Mode and Duel Mode? What is this?
Field Mode is the initial stage of combat where you may move your pokemon freely, and Duel Mode is the second stage of combat that is more akin to other fighting games where you fight on a 2D playing field. Doing enough damage, using certain attacks, or grabbing your opponent will shift play between these different combat stages.


>How do I play online? What is a VS code?
After completing the initial menu tutorial and picking a partner pokemon, pick Online Battle from the main menu / world map.
VS codes are basically passwords.


>I have the game and this chick's voice is making my ears hurt
Luckily for you, Japanese voices are a menu option.


>What are some resources I can check out?
http://www.serebii.net/pokken/pokemon.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokken/modes.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokken/
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pokken+tournament+tutorial
http://kuroganehammer.com/Pokken
http://pastebin.com/5aUvHT7j


>OP Pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/kTLxTp9F
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STATS AFFECTING RANKED CONFIRMED:

http://pokkenarena.boards.net/thread/827/points-possibly-affecting-online-ranked
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Anyone playing?
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Champ time
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>when the burst attack leaves them with 5hp
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Let's start a VS code
Does "vgptg" sound good?
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>>135892374
Sounds good to me. Lets put it in the next OP if the next maker remembers
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>constipated
>playin ranked matches on the toilet

I love the gamepad.
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>>135892287
>Some faggot posted this thing on Reddit!
Literally no one else is checking this out. Why is everyone taking this one guys word?
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>play close-range against zoner
>tellur town (autumn)
kill me now
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>>135892287
>still no proof
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So who are the most and least played Pokemon? I always like to play the least played characters in Fighting Games and master them so I can be a special snowflake
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thick braixen please
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dead thread, dead game, dead competition
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Battle stage: Magikarp Festival
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whats everybodys favorite meme
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>>135892530
Well I guess that's one good thing about losing it will make you shit your pants in rage.
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>>135892784
>wanting to be hipster garbage
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>>135893086
zoners other than suicune being good
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>>135893086
Tier
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>>135893086
Libre being OP
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so suicune is the best character in the game right? I know this because I saw a shofu vid where he fought a suicune and didn't block anything
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>>135893086
chandelure's laser catching you right as you try to jump
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>>135893086
Tierfags and Waifufags
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So, it's known that Pikachu has a mechanic similar to EWGF, but Libre has that as well.
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I can't get past the unresponsive-y feeling of button combinations. When the combo instructions say "X.X" is there a delay between the button presses, or is the second button press supposed to be immediate?
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>>135892916
What is this supposed to represent?
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that suicune champ is on the sfv pro tour now
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Diglett is just so fascinating.
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What's the coolest Burst Attack?
Hardmode: No PikaLibre
What's the best victory animation?
What's the best intro animation?
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>>135893086
Tiers don't exist and will never exist
Karenfags, so to speak
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Reminder to check out the movelist for your character, you could learn something you didn't know. I didn't know about most of Weavile's counter pierces or that the dive kick could be angled.
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>>135894094
>What's the coolest Burst Attack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzHE5q1NGa4
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>>135894094
>Hardmode: No PikaLibre
C'mon man.
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>>135893704
Basically, forget everything you know about fightan inputs. Nothing really gets picky or difficult with timing, so just hitting X again after the first attack from hitting X is done will do it.
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>>135894330
>forget everything you know about fightan inputs
fuck. This and holding back while in duel phase is fucking me pretty hard.
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>>135894094
Machamp no stando
Weavile camera grab or Machamp pushups
Braixen fixing its' hair
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>>135894240
Where's this from?
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Just beat the final final league and was messing around with new clothes. R8?

Also post trainers.
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>>135893793
who
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>>135894535
>anon has never done free training
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>>135894094
Tie between Mewtwo's stupid fucking anime-tier PEIRCE THE HEAVENS bullshit or Machamp's ORAORAORA.
Gengar swimming around in the ground is best victory animaton, it's so goddamn smug.
Weavile grabbing the camera.
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Why are there no gengar mains? And how do you get good with a character that doesn't win by button mash like gengar????
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>>135894604
I see you're buying Moon Version
An excellent choice.
*tips fedora*
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>>135895047
use shadow ball lots and then Mega Gengar one shots everything
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>>135894752
Just tell me where I can find the movelist
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>>135895047
His whole game is poking and waiting for burst mode in my experience.
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>>135895269
Just press start, jesus.
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>fight 2 Chandelure and braixen players both with over 80% W/L
>mfw I can CADC and combo properly
>tfw I can literally see them panic mashing counters and overheat when thier "plan" isin't working

Based pika
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>>135892307
IS
ANYONE
PLAYING
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Trying to compile a character archtype list, help me out anons, I don't play every character

Zoners:
Braix
Suicune
Chandy
Gardevoir

Zone Breakers:
Pikalibre
Garchomp
Mewtwo
Bait and Punish:
Charizard
Machamp
Blazekin


Thats all I have for now, based on what i see online and who I play, only done 34 matches though so its definitely not perfect
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How was the Pokken tournament at Final Round?
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>>135895795
I am
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>play chandy in single player
>mash A
>now have shadow mewtwo and mewtwo

The AI in this game sucks, holy shit.
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>>135894604
>lonely one
>that mask
>that cape
>black
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>>135895959
GOOD
PASSWORD IS PTG01
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Well I just maxed out Braixen's level and I'm getting used to playing as her now. Though I still get chain locked sometimes. I'm going to try out Weavile again. Hopefully it works.
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>>135895837
jap suicune wins lol
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>>135895837
the japanese suicune go1 won
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Guys I want to gift someone Pokken but I don't have a Wii U atm, can I get european e-shop cards online anywhere or am I better off buying them in stores?
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>>135895837
fine but it seemed like some of them didn't really know what they where doing
Pikachu and Weavile went far because they have good counters and combos but Suicune took it because people can't stop spam
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>>135895837
A japanese dude (go1) who plays games that aren't trash took it free despite having played it for maybe all of five seconds
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Anyone have a VOD of the stream or any Suicune tips of their own? I'd like to play a zoner but I feel like Braixen just isn't going to cut it at higher level play.
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What are Machamp combos

Every launcher he has isn't a combo (even though his light launcher is a follow up from two lights???) so he can be mashed out of them
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>>135895256
>>135895270
I want to main him but I suck so damn bad. Is anybody up for one Gengar mirror match?
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>>135894604
Okay.

No, /ptg/ isn't my name, I just set it to that for the shot
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>>135892916
>Battle Stage: Neos City
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>>135896540
he isn't very hard just synergy focus and roll them into a wall then use your burst and win
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So what exactly does garchomp's high stance do? Is it just super armour or can you crit using it?
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>>135896539
go look in the combo tutorial
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>>135894604
Everyone screaming Asriel in the Twitch Plays stream was extremely satisfying.
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Who's your main in
Pokken
Smash
Street fighter
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>>135896720
I did, they're all shitty "launcher->midair Y" corner combos, and one of them even suggest to use Back X->X even though it doesn't combo.
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>>135897167
>Libre
>Ryu
>Depends on the game, but if we're talking 5 it's a mixup between Ken and Ryu
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Holy shit, this game is infuriating. EVERYTHING in this game feels unsafe! You can't ever attack because everyone is always constantly blocking forever or countering! The second you go in for a grab, that's when they throw out their attacks. There's no such thing as a neutral game for you to gather yourself and test things out, because everything is constantly shitting out ridiculous amounts of damage! It's completely bonkers!
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>>135897167
>Pokkén
Gengar, but I like Machamp too
>Smash
lol
>Street Fighter
Laura until DLC drops
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>>135897167
Libre
Peach (melee)
Cammy (five)
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>when they use latios in field phase
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>>135897359
>EVERYTHING in this game feels unsafe!

Solution: pick weavile/pika
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>>135897359
just wait for them to whiff their attacks instead
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>>135897454
>When they use Fennekin in the Field phase
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>>135896478
>who plays games that aren't trash
he is literally known as the poverty god when he comes over here because he plays a bunch of kusoge
His showing in SFV was impressive tho
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>>135896540
If you still want to gengar mirrior match I'm game. Need some practice with him anyways. What VS code do you want if you're still up for it
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I get my ass fucked 1000 times over against nacho libre every fucking time, even against CPUs, how do I git gud against these never ending combo faggots?
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>>135897608
Not sure how that helps....
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>>135897167
Braixen
Puff
I don't play street fighter
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>>135897676
He plays games that are trash too (as proven by his showing in Pokken) but he is more than capable in plenty of games that aren't
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>>135894604
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>>135897167
Libre
Luigi
Blanka, haven't touched SF since 2.
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>>135897167
>Gengar
>Captain Falcon
I guessing you mean sfv
>Vega
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>>135897167
Charizard
Charizard
Guile
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If some of you care about tiers so much how come you just don't check the leaderboards everyday and come to a conclusion from there?
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Need combo videos starring my green nigga
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POST EM
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>>135897167
>Chanelure
>Fox
>Akuma
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>>135897167
Charizard
Samus
Elena/Laura

They all have radically different playstyles, but I love them like my children.
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How much do the skill points matter? Trying to figure out if I should be dumping entirely into attack or have everything be even.
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>>135897167
Garchomp
Villager
Mika
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>>135892871
This.

Dumb game, really, and it was doomed from the start.
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>>135897678
yeah let's do it but i'm not sure how vs codes work
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>>135897167
Garchomp
Pac-Meme
Bison
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>>135897167
Braixen
Sonic
Don't play Street Fighter
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>>135898202
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is this game kusoge?
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how are you supposed to beat Shadow Mewtwo
it basically supers for free on round three and I get left with less than half health as I have to chip away at his 3k
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>>135898493
Go to friendly match and enter the code in the box
I'll be using 71716 for the code becuase I can't come up with anything better
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>So many people online with shit connection causing the game to jank up
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What are the baby-tier things you need to know
CADC, of course, but anything else?
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>>135898819
Shield the burst, nigga.
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>>135897167
Lucario
Ganon
Bison,Ken,Gief
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>>135898754
absolutely
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>>135897167
Gardevoir
Luigi
don't play
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>>135898819
Use the Jirachi support on R3
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>>135898863
Matchups
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>>135898923
what is not kusoge?
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>>135892287
The fact that people aren't sure whether or not stats affect online shows how little they actually matter.

If they do affect it, then it clearly makes no difference.
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>>135898863
Going in high stance in duel phase does different shit for different characters, i.e slowly generates meter, slowly regenerates health, Machamp and Garchomp ignore weak attacks in high stance, etc

Most characters low stance weak attacks are plus a billion on block or hit so low weak into grab works a hell of a lot online

Ending a combo in the corner bounces your opponent off the wall back to midscreen but generates a fuckton of meter for you and does 30 damage to them.
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>>135897167
Machamp

Bowser

Birdie
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>>135886846
>plebbitors being retarded and cowardly as usual
Nothing to see here.
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>Slow as fuck
>Projectile fighter
>Tries to jump between being a 2D fighter and an arena fighter but lacks most of what makes either good
>No neutral whatsoever
>No sense of mix-ups
>Block button
>Already dead in arcades
Music's good though
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http://strawpoll.me/7140358
http://strawpoll.me/7140358
http://strawpoll.me/7140358
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>>135899383
>chomp

Really? Chomp hasn't given me trouble at all.

I'm surprised Suicune, Braixen or Chandy aren't on this list.
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>>135899383
>made a most annoying character poll without Chandelure or Suicune
nigga you fucked up
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Finally got ma boi to lvl100. Thinking of trying out either Machamp or Pikalibre. Machamp because he looks fun as fuck, Libre because was originally planning on him being muh secondary. But which will give me the edge in ranked? Been getting absolutely destroyed on there all day.
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>>135899345
Only 2 of these are true.
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>>135899649
Libre if you wanna win

Machamp if you wanna flex
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>>135899649
>putting SP in anything but attack
top jej
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>>135897167
Duck Hunt

Chandelure

Karas & Roll
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>>135899649
Libre is really, really good, so probably him.
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>>135897167
Blaziken
Ike
Ken/Ibuki
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>>135899649
Machamp's fundamentally flawed, a fraction of the cast can low profile his counter attack so you're forced to come up with some esoteric strategy around the RPS system.
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What is S.Mewtwos eye thing supposed to do? The back A
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>>135899856
I feel like something cool could be done by maxing support
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>>135899809
>>135899865
Alright, Lucha time it is.

>>135899856
Don't stats only affect offline?
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>>135898825
damn got destroyed tell me when you want to stop
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Gengar mains? Tips? I'm just about to pick up the game and I plan to main Gengar unless I really dislike his playstyle. Any BnB combos, basic knowledge, etc. that I should know?
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>>135900136
Stats affect offline, and single player if you don't disable them.
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>>135900136
They don't affect online, they only affect local when you turn them on and single player.
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>>135899968
>free training
>pause menu
>move list
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>>135898202
Shout me out if y'all ran into me. I would have had a MUCH better W/L but I hopped straight online day 1 midnight and I was fighting people who had the game early.
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>>135900136
>Don't stats only affect offline?
jury is still in session on this issue but it seems like stats do affect online play, although it is miniscule. We're talking only +7 points of damage with attack utterly maxed
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>>135898007
>Smash charizard
muh nigguh
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>>135900345
I did. All it says is it "changes properties"
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>>135900262
>>135900336
>>135900423
Ah, okay then. What kind of stats should I be looking into Pikalibre then? And do any specific assist help him in particular? Still trying to figure out how to incorporate them properly.
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>>135900576
It doesn't matter at all and you can respec them at your convenience. Just put them all into attack.
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>>135900205
Thanks for the fun matches but I need to go. GGs dude
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>>135900692
Alright, guess I'm going all out. Cheers anon.
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Will we end up like /ssbg/, /mk8g/, and /ink/ with all of there name fagging?
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>>135897167
Machamp
Kirby
Karin
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>>135901430
Unfortunately, It's pretty likely.
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>>135897167
Gengar
Jiggly in melee/Ryu in 4
Laura
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>>135901430
Eh, the worst that could happen to /ptg/ is it gets /ink/'s level of waifufagging
Luckily, this isn't /vp/ so the Gardfags won't infest the place.
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>>135897167
>don't have it yet but I'd play mewtwo
>Melee: Fox and Falco (Marth for matches I don't like)
>ssbb: meta knight
>ssb4: mario
>Ken and Ibuki
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>>135901430
I thought /ink/ stayed away from all the namefagging?
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>When you curbstomp somone round 1 in a mirror match and they disconnect
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This general would be more popular if the game had more waifus.

Lopunny DLC will save /ptg/.
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>nothing but spammy faggots today
>these randoms literally do nothing but spam to win now
I love this game, but if this is what it has already come to, I'm gonna start getting bored fast. I've already started having to spam just for my wins now and it sucks. No idea how fags can have fun like this, it's so mindless
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>>135897167
Most likely Blaziken, getting the game soon
R.O.B.
If I played it, then I'd SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN SHORYUKEN
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So I did the spinning diagonally into the air attack as Garchomp by doing Counter attack and then trying for a grab right away.

How the hell do you do this move on the fly? The training mode only mentions holding X for 50 years.
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>>135903192
reminder that kids probably play this game too
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>>135903417
you doublemap
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>>135903417
Hold X rather than tap it when comboing, then release it when you need to.
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i-is it wise to wait evo before dropping money on this? I don't waste money buying a casual game with no future
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where are you nerds all playing right now
sick of pubs
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>>135897167
Pokken: Don't have it yet, but gonna try out Shadow Mewtwo as soon as possible.
Smash: Mewtwo.
SF: Necalli.
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>>135904037
>>135892374
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>>135903174
Fuck off furfag I already have my hands full with libre and Braixen

Although this thing would be actually a decent pick since it uses some fighting moves
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>>135897167
Mewtwo
Mewtwo
dont play SF, no mewtwo
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>>135897167
Street Fighter is dead
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>>135903192
>ranked online
>C bracket
>literally filled to the brim with suicune,braixen and chandelure
>all have 80+ w/l from fighting people who can't deal with that shit
>have to slog through their tactic but convincingly beat them
>after a few wins just shut the game off

I feel ya. Its not fun and it makes me mad that the only reason I don't have a high W/L and a higher rank was because I picked a non stupid pokemon.
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so does this game have any footsies or is it all RPS?
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>>135903978
It's gonna have a future, TPCi is gonna push it as hard as they want.

Kind of like Smash, they'll force it into every FGC event. Honestly it's looking like it'll do okay so far.

It's really on you if you want to drop the cash on it or not.
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>>135897167
Either Braixen or Garchomp
Cloud, Ike
SF is dum
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>>135904870
Not really. Some characters have something similar but it really just string pressure,zoning,AAs,Punishes and RPS
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What does /ptg/ listen to when tearing it up with your main?
Pic related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzPHzIAlhKE
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>>135904870
In Field Phase there's not really any footsies.

In Duel Phase I get away with playing footsies a lot more. It's more projectile based than most fighters for sure, but nothing awful.
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>>135899649
>Him

Pikalibre is the only character in the game 100% confirmed to be female.
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>>135905183
Ultra Miami 2016

when that's over I dunno, probably the game soundtrack since I like it
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>>135905183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFjE5A4UAJI
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So what's the verdict on the Mewtwo's? I've heard some people say they have potential, and others say they both suck because of their gauge consumption.
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>>135904825
It's almost as if a good chunk of pokken's playerbase transitioned from another spamfest.
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>>135905183
YEAH YEAH OOOOOH OOOH
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>>135905113
I like the mental aspect of it, field phase is almost entirely "THE ATTACK TRIANGLE" and CADC then dual mode is footsies until you land a hit, then its how hard you can combo
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>>135905183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUkSi6TFrPE

Or anything really energetic really. Gets me pumped up and shit.
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>>135905018
what's tcpi?
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>>135905183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3soskkvYBgM
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>>135905584
Pokemon Company
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>>135905584
You must be 18 or older to post on this site.
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>>135905183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzUHaRsxFzg
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So what kind of playstyle is Chomp?

He looks really cool, but I don't know what he's supposed to be.
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>>135892137
Does CADC really defeat zoning this hard or something?

>>135903192
>>135904825
Spamming projectile is pretty much how zoning work. You gotta deal with it.
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>>135905183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
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>>135906072
See >>135905864

He's the Brock Lesnar of Pokken.
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>>135905246
>>135905542
I don't feel like dual mode footsies are really footsies. There is no spacing with normals, There is not much hit confirming especially with that gay ass lag and buffer and limbs don't have special properties like upper body/lower body invul it all ties to the RPS. You can make it work though. Me coming from a traditional fighter background lets me apply some of the tactics.


>>135905397
The sad thing is link is not even good but the pokemon I listed are all decent.
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What does miracle eye do besides drain some of your own HP?
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>>135905183
>Tree Raptor
>XCX
Are you LITERALLY me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwebAhgpnxw
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>>135906373
No, it's not really footsies at all. I come from SF as well, and you can't really play SF footsies like you can Pokken footsies.

It's really the closest thing you have to footsies, you're right that you can make it work though. There's no poking with normals, but just kind of walking back and forth and feeling eachother's range is a good idea.
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>>135906407
It changes certain projectiles but I'm not sure which fully yet. I know Side Y in field phase is one of them, turns them into barriers.
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>>135904346
but nobody's playing
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>>135906407
afaik it changes side y into barriers in field phase and expands the pillar of forward y in duel phase
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>>135906640
Exactly. Same here. SF and KoF background but I'm a fan of pokemon.

>>135906204
>Spamming projectile is pretty much how zoning work. You gotta deal with it.

You don't know what zoning means.
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>>135906801
yes there is
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>>135905183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vJn0IikkQ
For the Egyptian feeling.
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>>135906871
How can they zone beside using a lot of projectiles?
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>>135905183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4FrQBxLwTM
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>>135906571
ahahaha, good taste nigga.
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>people that do nothing but block as soon as you activate synergy mode

free grabs for days
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>>135906979
Long range pokes.
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>>135907110
What?
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Should we have a general vs code that we use for matchmaking on here?

Like just /ptg/ or something?
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>>135907198
see
>>135892374
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>>135907170
Normals that have good frames and long range.
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>>135907271
not him but do we just do anyone, vs code, vgptg?
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>>135907170
Any character with a gameplan focusing on keeping the opponent in a certain range is zoning.
Claw Vega is a zoner but doesn't have projectiles for exemple.
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>>135905183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5dSw_VHz9M
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Pokken's biggest mistake was not enabling gc controller support.
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>>135907426
yeah
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>>135906979
Each projectile has properties weaknesses and advantages. Zoning is basically keeping the opponents at bay using keeping those properties in mind. Just throwing shit out is predictable and only works on people that don't know what they are doing. It makes you predictable and easy to punish. I literally won games with pika's air X in field mode from people who just spam shit.

>>135907110
Ignore this guy
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>>135907426
yeah
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>>135907480
>Ignore this guy

You can ignore me lol I just saw >>135907431 it doesn't apply to pokken but its correct.
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>Styling on someone during their rankup match
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What's a good support to use with Machamp?
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>>135907431
Yeah, but characters who rely on projectile for zoning has to spam those projectile.
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hey traditional fighters players do you like the game? Be honest
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>>135907436
>Zinogre
Good taste my man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMFuH9Uh_Yk
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>>135907952
Diglet.
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>>135907431
>Claw Vega is a zoner, but he has no projectiles

Y'know, I never thought of this.
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>>135908129
no
but i haven't liked a fighting game since vsav came out
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>that fucking ass rape-age in my first match
Oh my, i really need to learn how to deal with chandelure's flames
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So how do friendly lobbies work? You can make a vs code with the "anyone" option and anyone can hop into that room and face each other randomly?
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>>135904870
>so does this game have any footsies

Absolutely. Fiield mode weavile depends on them, and septile does in general
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How do I git gud with Lucario, any specific imputs I should be looking to use more often than others?
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To the guy using the VS code with the grovile, gengare, and chandelure, thanks for the fun matches my man
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>>135907972
Not especially. Spamming would imply you're just throwing them nilly willy with no adaptation whatsoever, like a Fire Blast spamming Braixen who completely falls apart the second someone focus attack through it, while other would try to spice it up with anti airs / air to air or even baiting punishes with the broom air dashes. Chandelure has her own long limbs and ranged command grab for mid-range pressure, Suicune has the ice wall for shielding and okizeme etc.

Spamming only sorta works at a certain level but you can't really just roll your head on the gamepad and expect it to work against competent players.
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SHADOW NIGGER IS FUCKING CHEAP ASS CHARACTER WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD FUCKING CHOICE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Quick, post Lucha combos
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>>135908513
>first match was vs Chandulure
I'm so sorry
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>>135908626
Inputs? Well, there is the big button on the Wii U that looks like a C with a dash in the middle of it.
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>2 hours of playing with friends and we give it a 5/10

probably will return it soon
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>mfw the AI has no idea how to deal with Fire Blast so I blew through the story mode in sanic speed

Even Shadow Mewtwo was a chump, if only I'd realized sooner.
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>>135908786
I would tell you that counters do half his health but I'm going to assume you knew that already
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Is it just me, or is Charizard absolutely fucking atrocious?
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>>135909060
Oh trust me anon I know
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>>135909243
Atrocious to play as or against?
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>>135908626
Away and Y is good in field phase. It's a counter and it knocks down your opponent when you get into Duel Phase. Giving you the upper hand.
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>>135893086
tierlists litterally don't matter
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>>135909025
This, but I only use it as a last resort if things are getting hairy.
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>>135908715
Same. I was mostly just trying to learn the gengar and sceptile, but Braixen is a bitch to fight when the ranged options aren't any good. Guess I'll be heading back to the lab to rerun through Sceptiles moves at least. I couldn't remember some of his moves like detect.
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>>135908731
Maybe, Most of the time as Gardevoir I often use Beam/Calm Mind > Psychic in duel phase and in field phase magical leaf and the triple-disk attack thing. But it's quite obvious I need to be less mindless against people who actually has a clue on how to deal with it.
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>>135904393
>I already have my hands full with libre and Braixen
Then just use your feet, go all in on that sucker.
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>when you mistime a combo and lose to your opponent's retaliation

Imma get gud one day
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>>135909317

Do you seriously have to ask?
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Pikachu libre bnbs where
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Can I replay Green League to refight Dark Mewtwo?
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Whats some good tactics for mewtwo? I just picked him up
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>>135909898
No but once you beat the game you can redo the final fight.
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