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How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, March 19th:
1279 – A Mongolian victory at the Battle of Yamen ends the Song dynasty in China.
1649 – The House of Commons of England passes an act abolishing the House of Lords, declaring it "useless and dangerous to the people of England".
1853 – The Taiping reform movement occupies and makes Nanjing its capital until 1864.
1920 – The United States Senate rejects the Treaty of Versailles for the second time (the first time was on November 19, 1919).
1941 – World War II: The 99th Pursuit Squadron also known as the Tuskegee Airmen, the first all-black unit of the US Army Air Corps, is activated.


>News
HOI4 DD 48
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hearts-of-iron-iv-48th-development-diary-11th-of-march-2016.913075/

EU4 DD 17/03
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-development-diary-17th-march-2016.914124/


>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/

# Archive
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# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76

>>EU4 - BDSM
http://pastebin.com/vYbnKvK2

>>[CK2 - 2.4.5] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - 7 Years v0.1
http://pastebin.com/tsPsr70u

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.3.2 - 14/03/2016
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.5
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V7
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV

>>[V2] Many Houses Divided - v 0.0.1.1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jso7qa1c4ystej7/MHD.rar

>>[HoI3] YAMDaM v0.54
http://www.mediafire.com/download/md4tzqe2gg6stfv/

Old Thread >>135686658
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.
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>>135759703
thanks
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What do I pick, /gsg/?
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Just got V2 from the archive with HPM, is there any reason why my zoom and scroll are so clunky or is this how it's always been?

Like in ck2 it decelerates when you put your mouse off the edge but here its instant.
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>>135760250
do it
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nth for paradrones
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>>135760250
c-cancel
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>>135760250
The Axis is our future, duh.
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how does the craftsman assimilation trick work? i am not memeing you, i keep hearing about it but could never understand what the hell it is. does it only work with hpm?
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how does the craftsman assimilation trick work? i am not memeing you, i keep hearing about it but could never understand what the hell it is. does it only work with hpm?
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>>135760583
Lad, I explained it in the last thread.
And no, it's an exploit that works with every version of Vic 2, as no mods fixes those type of bugs.

>>135760760
>memes
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how does the craftsman assimilation trick work? i am not memeing you, i keep hearing about it but could never understand what the hell it is. does it only work with napoopan?
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how does the craftsman assimilation trick work? i am not memeing you, i keep hearing about it but could never understand what the hell it is. does it only work with visegradmod?
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>>135760067
>FAG
?
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>>135760308
It's how it always been in V2.

>>135758382
Depends on the nation you are playing India is the Hindu project for the subcontinent, so usually you can only form it as a Hindu nation. If you country is a self claimed Empire - like Sikhs or the Mughals, then you also can't flip. I will probably change it so you can form India most of the times and as any nation in the subcontinent, but doing so would change state religion to Hindu.

>>135759940
Yeah, it's a bit of a problem because the US changed so much through the period. As a quickfix I will probably make the event that spreads CSA cores increase conservative/reactionary ideology and bring down party loyalty a little bit.
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>>135761091
FrAnce Germany
Dont ask
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>>135761219
its France And Germany lad
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>>135760836
say that i play with japan and i have annexed korea. if i want koreans to assimilate, i would have to build factories in all korea, artificially create unemployment in japan to make the japanese move to korea, and then by promoting craftsmen at korea the assimilation would increase greatly. is that right?
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>>135761156
See >>135759232.

>>135759960
Taking the territory of IRL East Germany would make Poland-Lithuania look pretty swell. And you could always puppet Czechoslovakia.
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>>135761219
Could also be a french holy roman emperor tbqh
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>>135761445
whad da fug
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>>135760002
AUTISM
U
T
I
S
M

At least I'm going out tonight to drink and hit on sluts in vain
Fuck you
I really do hate you
It's become so irrational at this point but I don't even care
We probably aren't all that different, you and I
Except I'm better looking
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>>135760271
Except it literally can't conquer another region until it becomes a GP, and it can't become a GP until it conquers another region.

So how the fuck is switzerland ever supposed to do anything? Even in NNM it only had a 0.00001% chance of doing something, and HPM decided that was too much and needed to be 0%.
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>>135761569
Occitania/Occitan is part of the cultures minimod. You need the new versions to use it though.
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>>135760067
Even better, though, if you really want it to look as legit as possible, use a darker shade of blue for the centre shield, something closer to the French Kingdom CoA blue. But that's a minor detail, it looks cool as it is.
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>tfw Stellaris won't have truly alien cultures
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>>135760002
27th for meme venice
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>>135762005
What is truly alien? We've never met aliens.
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>>135761738
Couldn't I McGyver it into the game by copying the stuff needed into the files already in my HPM folder? What exactly would make it incompatible with my version? Something added by the update?
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>>135762260
>
ayy
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>>135762260

imagine if a normal person saw /gsg/ with no prior knowledge
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>>135762005
wut do you mean bruv?
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>>135761625
post face
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>>135761674
>neutral landlocked country doesn't abandon its neutrality for no reason because neutrality was a pretty big fucking deal for it
>wow railroading
ok then, whatever floats your boat
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>>135761650
But I've actually encountered HPMIDF calling me Rob for the fact I even dared to meme about HPM and Victoria.
I would love to like HPM, but it's a good mod that has the most awful fans. You can't say a negative word about it or you'll get at least 3 (you)s calling you Rob or a different shitposter.
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Is there any grand strat where I can play Turkey and support isis?
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>>135762562
>judging a product for its fanbase alone
Grow some balls.
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>>135762562
I thought calling people rob was a meme
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>>135762562
Blame Rob. He's literally poisoned the thread and there is no place for gsg to be discussed civilly. The fact that he still comes back every few days to shitpost (like with this switzerland GP bullshit) just means that the thread will never be safe.
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>>135761738
Would it be possible to implement some sort of decrease in Yankees in territories and later implementing the Homestead Act, which speeds up the Yankee assimilation in the territory and thus admittance as states,? Because right now it's just way too fast
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>>135762562
>meme about something
>get memed back
>wow these people are awful
WEW
>i don't like something because of the alleged fanbase in a place
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW
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meme
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>>135760321
>>135760349
>>135760395
Am considering modding in more people for the cabinet though. There were quite a few in the movie that I can use. Probably will change name back to United Kingdom or go for a new one like Union of Britain. 'Norsefire England' sounds as bad as 'Nazi Germany'.
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Multiplayer when
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>>135762562
Just play Robmod. It's literally a better mod and Rob actually listens to suggestions. HPMtards are this butthurt over the fact that people play anything other than HPM because they are entirely insecure.
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>>135762479
nyet
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>>135763072
common rob your not fooling anyone. No one likes your shitty mod.
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>>135762289
No, there are new files. The game doesn't let you AFAIK, it will just fuck up your save.

>>135762760
Theoretically, yes. The problem with this is that it opens up for the assimilation bug - states with 30+% bureaucrats/soldiers/intellectuals
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>>135763031
>>135763072
Fuck off back to your steamgroup
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>>135762469
>we will never encounter an alien civilization which considers slavery to be normal
>except social progress turned exploitation into Duty to Protect
>understanding of war change from competition to survive or win, into competition to dominate, surrender is commonplace
>you will never end up with a fuckload of PoWs and a civilization that wants to submit to you
>you will never face anti-slavery sentiment back home and leave them
>this won't lead to resentment among the culture shocked alien people, creating anti- and pro- human sides locked in civil war
>you will never be informed that the pro-human side won
>you will never be informed that an alien species has used retro-viral engineering to become genetically compatible with yours
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>>135762681
I mean, I like HPM, I pretty much only play it these days besides meme mods like Legacy of Slovenia. It's a good mod, but its fans are still awful.

>>135762693
It is a meme, but when you're called Rob for the thousandth time it gets boring.

>>135762793
I never use memes. All my criticism is thought out thoroughly before posting.
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>>135763072
Nice false flag to try to prove your own point
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>>135763278
There is no steam group
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>>135761782
Like this? could you post your flags in 93x64? they get blurry when i crop them
Also rate communist flag
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And so it begins
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>tfw want to create my own custom nation in single player but I don't want to buy 4000 fucking DLCs

End me.
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Which of the Caucasian states should I play as?

http://poal.me/iuxcag
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>>135763364
> for the fact I even dared to meme about HPM and Victoria.
You memed people, they memed you back and you are calling people that memed you back the awful people
The irony

>inb4 I dindu nuffin, I was a good boy
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>>135762989
Doesn't the movie focus on England only, with the rest of the world (and I assume, Scotland and Wales and Ireland) destroyed by some apocalypse or another?
Can't remember if that's the same in the comics.
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>>135763457
You mean these, right? 1/2
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>>135763410
Those people are long gone, only Kojak (Rob's lapdog) remained
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>>135763267
Could you add province effects that slow down assimilation rates, until the Homestead Act or decisions related to the Indian wars?
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>>135763561
Circassia, they have their own unit pack.
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>>135763770
Yes, thanks a lot
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>>135763601
And that's what I'm calling HPMIDF. I have never in my life memed people (okay maybe outside of HPM discussions), all my criticism I backed by historical sources.
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>>135763267
Hey, I really like that event where if Transvaal OR Oranje occupies SA they unite it under boer rule, but I think you should really make it so it also unites under Boer rule if one or the other occupies it.

E.G: Traansvaal occupies Capetown, Khoisa, etcetera and Oranje occupies Natalia, Xhosa, etcetera.

Because currently if they win the Boer wars and completely occupy SA they get nothing, as both nations can't have the event fire.

I just woke up, does any of this make sense?
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>>135763267
You remember that reddit thread that was linked on here about a bug with the way slaves worked making slave-state economies awful? Have you fixed that or was that the way it was supposed to be?
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>>135763457
>>135763770
>>135763869
2/2
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>>135763462
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!WZZFXDyT!yyb25ZuLdLs0B8vhoKS3LA
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>>135763770
>gerfrance
DELETE THIS
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>>135763267
How would I go about playing a Spain game without all the Carlist/Christino rebellions constantly? I tried firing the event to end it, but Christinos are still around.
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>>135763626
Yes but it's essentially the UK with Scottish, Welsh and Irish cultures being put under the Anglo-Saxon one, hence England Prevails etc. Officially they still called the place Britain.
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>>135763410
Nice photoshop there friend
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>>135764057

Anon can I suck your dick?
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>>135764045
Thank you very much, once again
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>>135764421
No problem.
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>>135764410
no but you can read the Op
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>>135763896
You just admitted you did dindu
If you meme people expect to get memed on
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>>135763317
>>we will never encounter an alien civilization which considers slavery to be normal
>>except social progress turned exploitation into Duty to Protect
>>understanding of war change from competition to survive or win, into competition to dominate, surrender is commonplace
>>you will never end up with a fuckload of PoWs and a civilization that wants to submit to you

just play Europa Universalis Rome
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>>135764521
>bringing up historical sources to argue for a feature's inclusion in a historical mod in memeing

t. HPMIDF
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>>135764467
do you need help with any flag?
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>>135764521
But I really did dundu. Can't you believe me just for one second? I thought so highly of /gsg/ posters.
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REEEEEE MULTIPLAYER WHEN
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>>135764742
>admitted he memed
>memed just last thread
>get memed back
>I dindu nuffin
yeah this is going in circles, no sense in trying to use logic in niggers
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>>135764675
Well, now that I think of it, I don't really need help with MAKING flags themselves. Usually that's the easy part. What I do sometimes need help with from time to time is with the coming up with ideas and information for making flags.

For example, I have no idea what to do with the Toucoleour Empire. I remember last year I tried to tackle it and I researched a bit but found no useable information or symbols about it. So if you happen to find anything I could use to make flags, I'll be grateful. Don't worry too much about it though, there's no urgency.
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This + Quebec, Ontario, South Africa, Australia
Belarus will either be part of Ukraine or RK poland
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>>135764891
I never admitted I memed in the last thread. Come on lad, give a drunk man some slack, were all friends here after all.
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>>135763267
Can you change the way the Irish work, please? When they're released they should be released as a British satellite state, and crucially, a constitutional monarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Free_State
Then, Northern Ireland should opt out of it to rejoin the UK, almost instantaneously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Free_State#Northern_Ireland_.22opts_out.22
Then there should be the civil war, between pro treaty and anti treaty forces, if the pro treaty forces win Ireland lose their cores on NI and remain a British puppet, if anti-treaty forces win they should become an independent republic and keep their cores on NI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Civil_War

I know you probably think this is unimportant, but seeing a stable Ireland as a puppet of the UK, with NI every game is an insult to history.
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I really hate people that denounce their warcrimes and their memes
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>>135765002
Make Poland gross.
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This is probably only going to reveal my retardation, but how do you nuke shit in DH? I have a nuke but I don't see the mission for my strat or tac bombers.
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>>135765002
>Quebec, Ontario
Mein penis
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>>135765269
t. armenian
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>>135765348
You have to attach the nuke to the strat bomber first. It works like a brigade.
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>>135765396
t. Kojak pretending to be Adus pretending to be Rob pretending to be HPM pretending to be Mediafire guy pretending to be Poopan pretending to be Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley pretending to be Codreanu pretending to be Emperor Hirohito pretending to be AFP Guy pretending to be Johan pretending to be that one guy who posted his Rule the Waves game and got banned pretending to be Bhutan pretending to be By the Grace of God, We, NN, Emperor and Autocrat of All Russia, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod; Tsar of Kazan, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Poland, Tsar of Siberia, Tsar of Chersonese Taurian, Tsar of Georgia; Lord of Pskov and Grand Prince of Smolensk, Lithuania, Volhynia, Podolia, Finland; Prince of Estland, Livland, Courland, Semigalia, Samogitia, Belostok, Karelia, Tver, Yugorsky land, Perm, Vyatka, Bolgar and others; Lord and Grand Prince of Nizhny Nogorod, Chernigov, Ryazan, Polotsk, Rostov, Yaroslavl, Belozersk, Udorsky land, Obdorsk, Kondia, Vitebsk, Mstislav, and all of the northern countries Master; and Lord of Iberia, Kartli, and Kabardia lands and Armenian provinces; Circassian and Mountainous Princes and their Hereditary Lord and Owner; Lord of Turkestan; Norwegian Heir; Duke of Schleswig-Holstein, Stormarn, Dithmarschen, and Oldenburg, and others, and others, and others Tsar Nikolai II pretending to be me.
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>>135763461
It's that sort of game then

Fucking hell
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>>135765394
Something like this
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>>135765348
You can also attach it to rockets if you have researched the tech needed.
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What's the smallest nation that you can still do something with in vicky without blobbing, lads?
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>>135765574
Please continue posting. Nobody ever posts HoI3
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>>135765710
Bhutan
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>>135765479
>t. Mjana
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>>135765656
>you will never live in a world where Berlin isn't renamed Kitchener
>you will never live in a world where Kingston is renamed Kaiserton
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>>135765892
I already have a decision to rename Australia
I could make one for South africa and Canada too
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Can someone explain why elective monarchy is so popular in CK2 or is my game just being weird? Almost every kingdom is elective monarchy and I constantly have vassals making factions for elective monarchy, in fact the only reason I became Basileus of Byzantines is because I got elected and then changed the succession.
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>>135765206
Ireland losing their cores on NI is more ahistorical, historically the pro-treaty side won the civil war but Ireland kept claims on NI until 1998.
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>>135765710
Probably a Latin American nation like Uruguay, Costa Rica or the Dominican Republic
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>>135765452
Thanks senpai, gonna show those dirty monarchists the power of syndicalism. :^)
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>>135764996
could you make a Wettin Imperial Germany, or a Habsburg Italy flag?
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>>135765206
Britian already has an option to annex Northern Ireland and puppet Ireland after the Irish War of Independence.
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>>135765892
56 Kaserton
50 Lorbeerberg
37 Kitchener
55 - Neu Berlin
48 Nord Baar Kreis
54 Sud Baar Kreis
66 Waldsbut
68 Neu Freidrichshafen/ Freidrichsburg/ Fritzburg
69 - Wolfenstein/Leonberg
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>>135766115
I hope you added Kaisermania

In Canada the only thing I can think of are Kingston being Kaiserton (is Kingston a province or is it just Toronto?)
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>>135766861
I added it twice
for some reason...
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>>135766219
The treaty allowed Northern Ireland to remove itself, effectively killing the cores, later sinn fein governments maintained they had a "core" there but the pro treaty forces were completely for NI seceding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish_Treaty#Content
>Northern Ireland (which had been created earlier by the Government of Ireland Act) would have the option of withdrawing from the Irish Free State within one month of the Treaty coming into effect.
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How the hell do I survive as Tibet on EU4? All the Indian fucks from Nepal to Bengal gang up on me before I even have the chance to unify the Tibetan Highlands.
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>>135766774
Does Ireland have a civil war in the event of that happening between pro treaty and anti-treaty forces?
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>>135765206
Speaking of Ireland, there should be an option for a great power that has poor relations with the UK to support the Irish.

Historically, the Germans sent guns to Ireland during the Easter Rising, but the shipment was intercepted by the Royal Navy.
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How do I get people to migrate to the colonies in vanilla Vic 2? (with the expansions)
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>>135767059
pls make it black and white for consistency's sake
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>>135767064
Remove straits
Add Mountains
>>135767273
all right
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>>135767248
I don't really know about that as Germany was fully at war with Britain during the time, but maybe an event like the "encourage pan arabism" for the Ottomans, in the event someone is at war with them?
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HPMeme if you're still here, there's an event which lets you take the "trinket healthcare" reform, which is neat, except that the event can fire even if you don't meet the tech requirement for trinket healthcare.
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>>135767064
They had no choice, it was either that or 'immediate and terrible war'. The IRA was running out of supplies.

Michael Collins did not support Ireland losing 'cores' on NI any more than Phillipe Petain supported France losing 'cores' on Alsace-Lorraine in 1940.

>>135767234
No.
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>>135767642
Unrelated, and don't know if it's HPM, but I had an event that forced me to chose between acceptable pensions or acceptable minimum wages. I had none of these reforms at all, jumped from none to next to last.
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>>135767256
Research education techs, pass the transport penalty reforms (if HPM). And if all that fails close your factories.
You could always get occupied, but that's not really worth it.
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>>135765574
>it's a Nazi Germany single-handedly eliminates Communism episode
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>>135768219
oh man love me some of that
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>>135768219
Isn't that a good thing if you're playing USA? It actually gives you some challenge?
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>>135768398
desu I was hoping for the USSR to survive so we could squeeze Germany between ourselves like IRL but then I was reminded that the USSR never survives in HPP
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>>135768675
>wanting to give up based Eastern Europe to the commies
But Anon, that's perfidious as fuck.
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>>135768820
Well he is playing USA.
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>>135768170
thanks family
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>>135768982
B-but USA wanted to liberate us, right? We got betrayed only because of Churchill being a coward.

>>135769002
No problem, lad.
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>Tfw we want to play Stellaris as a group, maybe with the lads from /gsg/
>But if we do that then everyone will want to be Human
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>>135768219
If this was true considering Germanys area
of 137,903 mi2 and the soviet unions area of 8.65 million sq there would be 62 Germany's.
http://www.germany.travel/en/ms/german-originality/made-in-germany/german-inventions/german-inventions.html
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>>135769387
Roosevelt would have probably given away all of Europe to the Reds if he hadn't died off. He was crazy trusting of the Sovs.

I don't think Truman cared about anything outside of the US, based president.
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>>135760836
>>135761493
pls respond
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>>135765002
>groβ ukraine
>that fucking bulgaria
kys
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>>135761493
Yes, that's correct. Also having encouraging pops that only Japanese (for literacy reasons) can promote to also does help.
And sorry for not responding earlier, I haven't seen your post.
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*plomps down into thread after a long day*

AAAHHH me lads so what's goin on here today
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>>135770129
fuck off and die
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>>135770129
WILHELM, this is your grandmother; the motherfucking Queen of England. Now listen to me you little cunt, wot wot wots all this eh about you walking up and down these fine folk with your cock out? What did the good doctor say boy about the devils handshake by jove, first you go blind, then your unmentionables go black, ejaculate pure lice and plague, then the whole sordid mess drops right off. Luckily my dear prince Albert though afflicted with this vile and unsumptious condition cannot affect thy queen for my vagina is huge and royal good heavens.

But listen to me you little shit if Benjamin Disraeli mentions once more of your frequent aquaintance with Rosy Palms and her five sisters I, befitting this great nation of fish and chips will throw you in a Black Maria and send you to fucking Australia. Try waxing your moustache with an indigenous spear up your arse you lame-armed little cunt. Ooohhhh good heavens I have gone right red in the face I 'ave, so ashamed I am to have such dissapointement in me life :;( Oh well, off to tottenham courts for a day at the races and a pint of gin eh guv ;)
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>>135770276
this is a map discussion forum not a fucking dating site you degenerates
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>>135770514
deport them and fuck off from middle east?..
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>>135763819
I could but it could create undesirable pluralities, as well as forcing the minimum date for entry too much.

I think removing yankees is better. In any case, that isn't really a priority or a concern.

>>135763974
I don't think that because they won the war against the british the other boer nations, which were determined in being independent, would just join up. I think they can already anyway.
So I will leave it as it is.

>>135764009
I remember but I never opened it. Can't be arsed.
I check the files and everything is working as it should AFAIK.

>>135764169
The event also needs a flag from the decision, so there's no way to cheat it IIRC. If you say you did it all legit and they still kept firing, then I need to fix it.

>>135765206
I can't promise I will do it any time soon as I have other stuff down the line but sure.
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I'm off to cook some pasta in the microwave, wish me luck guys.
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>>135771148
Stick some aliuminum foil in there to make sure it heats things evenly
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Does anybody know what happens to the profit a factory earns once its internal coffers are full in V2?
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>>135769562
I'll be cats
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>>135771095
Since I think It's worth checking out I'll copy and paste it here

TL;DR: it's a because of a bug caused by 2 "output" tags that should be "throughput" tags in the game files.
While tinkering with my own custom version of HPM, I happened upon something interesting. This is in Victoria 2's production_types.txt at the start of the RGO section, and it's pretty much identical across all Victoria 2 mods:
RGO_template_farmers = {
owner =
{
poptype = aristocrats
effect = output
}

employees = {
{
poptype = farmers
effect = throughput
amount = 1
}
{
poptype = slaves
effect = output
amount = 1
}
}

type = rgo
workforce = 40000
}

RGO_template_labourers = {
owner =
{
poptype = aristocrats
effect = output
}

employees = {
{
poptype = labourers
effect = throughput
amount = 1
}
{
poptype = slaves
effect = output
amount = 1
}
}

type = rgo
workforce = 40000
}

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>>135771492
Now, what do these sections mean? Well, they're templates for how RGOs work in Victoria 2: the owner section details the RGO's owner POP and what effect the owner POP has on the RGO (in vanilla, aristocrats improve output), while the employees section details all possible employee types for the RGO and their effects on the RGO. Notice something strange for the slaves entries? That's right, instead of affecting throughput, i.e. like craftsmen for factories, slaves affect output, i.e. like clerks for factories: the efficiency of slaves depends on the throughput generated by the main POP type (farmer or laborer), instead of slaves acting as an actual, alternative POP type.
Needless to say this needs to be changed when striving for historical accuracy; it'd be nice if this were forwarded to the devs as well for integrating into 3.04 (my Paradox forum account has issues). I've uploaded a mini-mod here that contains a fixed version of 3.04 beta's production_types.txt file and nothing else; I can't remember if that file was changed from 3.03 to 3.04, but it should probably work fine for 3.03. Regardless, I'm hoping all the developers of major mods apply the fix, as it's literally just changing two "output" tags to two "throughput" tags.
Two screenshots of my modded HPM comparing world cotton production before (top) and after (bottom) I applied my fix, nothing else was changed between the two screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/W9ONC

Part 2/2
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>>135771492
>>135771658
Reported for spam.
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I want to play a Count to Duke to King campaign in Crusader Kings 2, can someone suggest a good country and starting period to do it in?

I'm looking at France in 1066 but holy shit is everything ruled by a handful of dukes.
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>>135771658
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gda81g4lku2d7sm/SlavePatch_Minimod.zip?dl=0
Minimod link in question
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>>135771983
Last Karling
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>>135771983
1066 scenario, HRE, start as a Hohenstauffen count in Swabia or a Hasburg count in Aargau, the idea is to become as powerful as those houses were historically.
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>>135771492
Already fixed in Vickymod a while back.

t. rob
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>>135771983
find the most shitty count in the HRE, under the shittiest duke, and work your way up.

For fun, invade some shithole like Hungary. Foreign rulers always win.
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>>135772517
This lol

HPM a shit
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>>135771095
Regarding Ireland, Britain already has an option to annex Northern Ireland and puppet Ireland after the Irish War of Independence, although there's no event chain for the Irish Civil War.

Also, could you implement a decision or event for a great power with poor relations with the UK to support Ireland? Historically, the Germans sent guns to the Irish during the Easter Rising, but the shipment was intercepted by the Royal Navy.
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>>135769618

Truman still didn't listen to Patton. We could have put the commies down before 1950 if Patton had his way.
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>>135772517
>>135772687
>exactly 90 seconds of difference
You didn't even try m8, I still like you, Rob.
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>>135771983
>Count to Duke to King

Don't start in France, forcing elective monarchy would make it too easy since HRE will beat the shit out of your king every few years.
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>>135766721
>Habsburg Italy flag
Done.
>Wettin Imperial Germany
Will have to give it some more thought.
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4chan on the left, reddit on the right
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>>135772687
th
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>>135772824
Thanks bruv
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>>135773101
No problem. I really need to play MP with you someday.
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>>135773376
I would play MP if I could get my checksum to match.
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>>135773101
Fuck off Robin.
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>>135773376
>>135773480
speaking of which MULTIPLAYER WHEN REEEEEE
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>>135772517
>>135772687
>>135772824
>>135773101
>>135773376
>>135773480
Fuck off back to your steamgroup
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>>135773546
Fuck off Alpha, no one likes you.
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>>135768219
sounds like a good episode
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>>135771095
Hey, I asked you about the Danubian Federation accepting cultures that declined the formation in the last thread. Would it be possible to implement some way to accept them, or at least some way to influence whether they accept or not? Some luck is fine but its annoying having no control or way to get around something so important.
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I want to conquer Formosa, Fengtian and Heilongjiang prior to westernizing as Shogunate Japan. How feasible is this? While Formosa seems easy enough, seeing as it's an island and lacks Qing cores, I'm unsure about the other two.
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>>135773628
I'm not the one who get's 5 "fuck offs" every time i post :)
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>>135773902
fuck off
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>>135773902
Well sorry, neither am I. And on top of that I'm not an avatarfagging faggot.
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>>135773843
Why would they even do that? the Tokugawa Shogunate was isolationist until Perry arrived, and they only had trade with China, why would they invade anyone and much less a country friendly to them? the more feasible thing I think they might do is trying to imitate Nobunaga and invade Korea.
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>>135774171
>Playing for historical accuracy

Literally why? Just pick up a book you fucking fatass
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>>135774007
Hello unHPM!

>>135774073
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-qftDlSww
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>>135774341
>Fuck Off Rob
But I'm not Rob. It's pretty delusional to call every Anon who disagrees with you "Rob", you know?
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zzzzzzz...
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>>135772517
>Already fixed in Vickymod a while back.
Actually rob, according to the last date modified from the files, you fixed it after this same anon reported it to HPM
So you are basically trying to take credit for something a redditor found out and that HPM didn't correct because he doesn't go to reddit, unlike you

That's why no one likes you rob. Trying to steal shit from other people and claim "I did it first" is characteristic of an awful human being
A redditor did it a long time ago, before you, and reported it in his HPM games to reddit then reported here to HPM and then you stole it

btw I compared to the old vickymod version, from march 10th and it wasn't there so it really proves you got it from the redditor
nice to see you mooching off your fixes even from the redditors reporting bugs to HPM, it's real classy
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>>135774581
t. Ben Carson
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>>135771492
>>135771658
I did the tests and he's absolutely right. Sorry I didn't pay the deserved attention to this or the guy, I will fix it.

>>135773745
Someone asked me this a while ago. I'd like to do something about it but deciding when a pop would or not accept something is more complicated since we are dealing with nationalism and a lot of variables. So I will see what I can do.
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>>135774662
t. reddit
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>>135774528
Sure thing Robin.
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Can someone post the current 1836 hpm map? On my phone and need it
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>>135774917
Man, how autistic do you have to be to literally call everyone other than you "Rob" Because as apparent of that poll that's been posted a few days ago no one likes you and everyone thinks alpha is a forced meme.

>>135774961
You mean the F12 one or the province map?
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>>135774801
that big square Frame mod doesn't work, it crashes when selecting armies
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>>135774801
Nah HPM its cool
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>>135775231
Both would be ideal lad
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>>135775231
>what is incognito window

Fuck off Robin, so obvious you spammed votes on that poal.
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>>135774647
The best thing is its not even a bug. Thats how slaves are supposed to work.
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>>135775450
>literally not a single vote for "no"
Yeah, sure, it's cheating.
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>>135774647
In a free market it is better to have competition (such as between rob and HPM) rather than one product (or mod in this case) dominating the market.
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>>135775640
>competition
Only the steamgroup shitters play robmod though
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>>135774647
>>135772517
>rob caught cheating and lying again
WEEEWWW rob, just like mp huh ?
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>>135775640
Applies to grand strategy games and paradox internet in general
>>
rob here
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>>135774801
>So I will see what I can do.

Cheers HPM.
>>
1-3 Assyricums
4-6 Natal to South Africums
7-9 Central Americums
0 Sleep
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>>135775410
Here you go, lad. Anything else while I still have Vicky open?
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>>135767078
Please respond
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>>135774801
Can you do something about the incorporate Albania into Yugoslavia giving that one Greek province a core? It's really annoying since I only want them to contain the Albania region, and nothing Greek
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>>135772517
>>135774647
If you thought rob couldn't sink any lower, you are wrong
He didn't even put the change in his pastebin in the hopes no would notice him stealing from the people who play hpm, which he loathes so much
>>
vote
>Poal.me/673smt
>Poal.me/673smt
>Poal.me/673smt
>Poal.me/673smt
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How can I keep my militancy down when westernizing as Shogunate Japan?
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>>135773902

fuck off
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>>135777695
2/2 Also, what are the best conquests research-wise?
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>>135776217
>australia with jagged borders

whhyyyyyy that doesn't even make sense
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>>135767815
It doesn't matter if the people still officially wanted the land back, they signed it away, some in Germany want the eastern territories back but it was signed away.

Infact, some in Ireland today still want NI back, but it was signed away so Ireland no longer has cores there, it was not until article 2 and 3, in 1937, after the game ends that Ireland claimed Northern Ireland was part of Ireland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_2_and_3_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

So the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921 should denounce cores and then they get them back in 1937, after the game ends.
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>>135776513
Now I get why everyone hates the guy
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>>135778247
The French signed the Treaty of Frankfurt giving Alsace-Lorriane to Germany after the Franco-Prussian War, but they still kept cores on it.
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>>135775347
You are probably playing with a wrong patch/version combination. Big Square Frame is for 3.04 V7 onwards is for 3.04 only, if you are playing with 3.03 you need older versions.

>>135776487
The albanian/greek cores are always a pain. I considered doing a Republic of Northern Epirus tag just to stop them from fucking with each other so much, but that wouldn't fix Albania.
Anyway I can exclude that one core province from the decision, sure.
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>>135779043
Is it still coming out today, lad?
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>>135779147
>calling HPM lad
GET OUT
OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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>>135779240
Something wrong with that, lad?
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>>135774961
Here you go.
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>>135779713
>tfw the pacific will never be one massive combined tile
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>>135779019
That was different, that was them signing away territory, the Anglo-Irish treaty was about them recognising the Northern Irish right to self determination, then they fought a war over it and the pro treaty forces won.

So Ireland officially renounced their claim on NI and said they could have self determination, where as in France they just signed away territory to end the war, they never renounced the land or were forced to.
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>>135779713
PNW A SHIT
A SHIIIIIT
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>>135777695
Do it as fast as you can and ignore militancy
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>>135774647
wew

You seem really butthurt over saying I had already fixed something, which I did.

>>135776513
If I put every minor fix in there just to make the changelog look long and impressive, no one would read it. If its something that most people won't notice and that can't be explained in a short sentence, it doesn't need to go in the changelog.
>>
I just saw the 6th Arabian civil war between the Nedj and al-Rashid emirates. Neither one can afford to maintain any army whatsoever and so they just sit around doing nothing until they sign a white peace every time.
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>>135778635
Here lad so you don't forget it
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>>135779147
Well I'm tired and it's getting late so I don't know. I will try.
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>>135778635
>>135776513
>>135775497
>>135775840
>>135773585
>>135780245
>HPM samefagging this hard to defend his mod
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>>135778951
North west of Naples
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>>135780376
Will you add a legitimiste French tag?
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>>135780424
https://youtu.be/h_-qftDlSww
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>>135780039
Nice try trying to evade it
>I did first in my mod
>that's not what I was trying to say when you showed everyone that I'm still stealing stuff from the people I loath without even crediting them

>>135780424
>steals shit
>gets called on it
>get made fun of
>s-s-s-stop samefagging
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>>135779147
>>135780376
Is what coming out today? A new HPM version?
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>>135780684
>people seriously think that game fixes are intellectual property or something

OK HPM, this is enough.
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>>135780515
Hello Cuckgate
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>>135780376
France shouldn't be able to claim the left bank of the Rhine until Nappy III comes to power. One of the principle reasons the Bourbons were allowed to rule again was through them specifically not claiming anything other than their current borders, part of why Nappy won the election was that he'd officially renounce this policy.
>>
is the east vs. west in the archive any good?
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>>135779896
a shit, you say? does this trip your trigger?
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>>135780089
I like to think there's some guerilla warfare happening there that lasts for decades, where villages from both sides get raided and small forces engage eachother in the desert with no organization, outdated weapons and average leaders, making these engagements action movie-tier battles between few hundreds of Beduins that could easily pass as a free-for-all deathmatch.
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>>135780684
>redditor reports a bug
>its somehow stealing if any mod other than HPM fixes the bug because the redditor was using HPM
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>>135780837
>tries to claim he did it first
>second time ina month he tries to do this
>second time he gets called on it
>f-f-fixes are not intellectual property it's not like it's dishonest to try and take credit for doing it first and not crediting the people who really did or shitposting about a mod and literally stealing every fix from the modder or the people who play the mod
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>>135780376
go to bed you lovely french lady
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>>135781110
He did, literally, fix it first. And he only said "already fixed", didn't take credit for anything.

Holy shit you HPMtards are ridiculous.
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>>135780515
That's actually not that far from Perugia

Hey would you mind if I added you on steam? I would love to have someone to play some gsg with
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>>135779043
I'm playing on 3.04 with the latest version v8, it should work
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>>135781052
>redditor reports a bug
>rob try to claim he did it first
>taking bugs from the people he hate: the HPM players
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>>135781181
>french
I think I figured it out

He used the British spelling of "arse" here, >>135771095
combined with the fact he's on a Western European timezone all signs point to him being a top lad
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>>135781014
I don't get it.

It's a shit because the region map is so shitty.
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>>135781234
>claims he already fixed something
>no one was talking about him
He was obviously trying to say "I did this first" even though he's trying to take credit for some shit he didn't even do
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Hello niggers! How are you faggots doing this pathetically little shit day?
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>>135781398
She's an Anglo-Indian living in Belgium for work.
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>>135781473
>he was obviously trying to say something he didn't say, but I wanted him to say it so I could pretend to "beat" him in an internet arguement and show my loyalty towards m'HPM like the good cuck I am.
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>>135781583
with her Kurdish gf
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>>135781398
He is Brazilian
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Latin America mini-mod for HPM when
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>>135781657
>people discussing about a fix posted on reddit a few days ago here
>out of the blue guys comes out and says "I already did this a while ago"
>it wasn't about him at all
>he proceeds to samefag and bash a third party
>I'm not trying to say I did it first, I just jumped in a conversation of someone I loath to say I did it

Yeah right
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>>135780376
About the carlists/christinos, I edited the event to end them and made sure the carlism_pacified flag was triggered, but they continued to organize and fire. I'm not really sure how Vicky 2 is coded, but looking through the rebel files it doesn't look like the code you added would stop them, since other modifiers can still trigger them. Again it could be a result of my shitty programming skills but I'd recommend testing it yourself sometime.
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>>135781858
desu he probably went back in time to be brazilian like he always do to steal rob shit while he isn't janitoring the thread or leading his international organization to keep rob down
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>>135782117
kek
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>>135781876
But HPM already has enough South American events.
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>>135782117
HPM inc
headquarters in Rio
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>>135781876
I want an in-depth Paraguayan genocide simulator.
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>>135781731
And Entre Riosan dog.
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I'm from Buenos Aires and I say HPM is the best!
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>>135782743
t. ALPHA
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>>135782862
t. rob
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>>135782282
>biggest war of South America isn't even mentioned
>second biggest war of South America is completely random
>Patagonians all united and with doubtable pop numbers
>abstract yet random colonization events/decisions
>lack of historical secessionist movements
>enough
There's a huge amount of stuff that could be added in, famalam
>>
>>135782920
>>lack of historical secessionist movements
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>>135782905
>I guessed it right
All of my keks.
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>>135782920
He could just add back the Paraguay War event from NNM until he makes his own but no, its not enough detailed for him, rather for wait for the """""""""""""""""""flavor phase""""""""""""""""""" for a few more years
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>>135779873
Did Ireland ever actually renounce their claims before 1998? (emphasis on 'renounce' not just sign away)

I get your point though, although there should be a decision to re-add those cores if Ireland is freed from British control.

Also, the British dismantlement event would have to be edited so that Ireland would get their cores and NI back.
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>>135783020
Someone posts a young Aryan male? It's ALPHA.
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>>135783019
>what is the Confederation of Equator
Also there's the Bear Flag and Riogrande revolt for Mexico, the first not existing at all and the second hardly ever happening. The Mapuches should also be their own nation and have their own culture.
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>>135783417
Nah, if it's a male with a particular expression you can be pretty sure it's alpha.
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Reminder to join the official /gsg/ Discord https://discord.gg/0sK89npiaqpJ5k9l
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>>135784127
Kill yourself.
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>>135783364
Well the Irish free state never had any claim to renounce, the treaty was signed and with that NI was never an integral part of their territory or considered to be there's at all.

A really bloaty, but more accurate way to do it would be to have "Éire" start with cores all over Ireland, then in 1921 the Irish free state, a separate tag, is released with cores on the 26 counties, with Éire maintaining it's core on Northern Ireland.

Ironically the Irish free state was little more than a British puppet, it was governed in the same way as the isle of man until the statue of Westminster and even then it didn't achieve full independence, it wasn't until the new constitution in 1937 that they claimed, quote, "The national territory consists of the whole island of Ireland, its islands and the territorial seas.", so if Ireland is unpuppeted before the end game they should get their cores back, but that's highly unlikely without player interference.
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>>135784235
what the fuck is this
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>>135784351
pure cancer, probably
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>>135784235
for real thouh we should get an actual /gsg/ one
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>>135784735
I dunno.
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>>135784235
But that's not a /gsg/ discord channel.
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>>135784735
>fucking transparency up
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yo flagman can you fix this one or make an original one, it looks like shit in game
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torpedoed a cvl today. feels good, man
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>>135785340
I fugged my gf today.
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also intercepted another cvl. allies din do so gut

>>135785413
you dont have a gf. post pics
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>>135785340
for some reason i instinctively went cross eyed to look at that
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>>135785413
That's not fair
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>>135785531
>posting personal pics on 4chan
Nah lad, I'm smarter than that.

>>135785568
Life is not fair.
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the situation in the dutch east indies..i wonder if hoi4 will ever be this good of a game
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Remember to always interrupt Jewish business, brothers.
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its time to retire task force z for repairs
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>>135785340
>>135785531
>>135785758
>>135786005

wot gaem
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>>135786005
>>135785531
>>135785340
wrong thread
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>>135785758
>hexes
i can guarantee you it will be
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>Be Greek in 1270, Crusader Kings 2 with HiP
>King of Epirus, King of Morea, King of Africa, have around 21k troops in provinces I initially thought way too small to support that kinda pop
>Average out around 26 Stewardship for the past five rulers, can own 11 provinces and making oodles of cash
>Thessaly in Great Vlachia somehow gets flipped to ownership by the King of Jerusalem, some blind fuck married to the Byzantine Empress
>Declare war, full-siege Thessaly

>Byzantine Empress shows up with 12k troops, smash that aside and get 100% warscore
>Decide to indulge in some MISCHIEF
>destroy their 5k remnants, and the 2k they managed to sneak onto Arcadia
>Destroy the 8k Jerusalem sent
>Wipe out 560 troops from Jerusalem
>Declare peace

Last I saw, the Byzantine Empire was getting invaded by the Latins and Jerusalem had a Tyranny war.

That's what you get for messing with my land.
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>>135786123
naw
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>>135786106
the greatest ww2 game, unless you are looking for EU: WW2 ala HoI4, which most of you are
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>Go on that discord
>Trying to talk with my fellow memers
>It's not even a /gsg/ server
>Make a fool out of myself talking to someone with a Fox avatar
Got out as soon as I realized what was wrong.
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>>135786461
of course, hoi3 isn't too bad
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>>135786552
I just asked if it's the /gsg/ discord. Try to get some social skills m8.
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>>135786704
I did, I was doing alright.
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>Official /gsg/ discord
Lad
What
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So how the fuck do I install mods if I'm not using EU IV on steam?
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>Play Maya
>Conquer Ykatan and take all reforms
>take 5 3 7 in tech and exploration idea group and spam colonies to get westernisation spots faster
>after 60 years only Portugal arrives and that faggot only colonizes Caribbean. Turns out he conquered Castilia
>after another 50 years Tyron at last starts colonizing brazil
>get to him and reform fait, start westernising
>With reform faith i only got 11 military tech, while portugal has 15
>It declares war because it can and no one will help me.
>His stack of 12/2/0 wipes my 16/4/20
>He demands third of my empire
What do?
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>>135786791
more steamgruppe shit anon, pay it no mind
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>>135786836
lol u r dum
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I think I got everything I wanted, the only remaining question is how productive should slaves be. More than farmers? Less? Same thing?
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>>135786552
>Guy comes in
>Asks if is this the official /gsg/ discord
>Leaves while saying Y'all niggas are boring
You're fucking autistic lad.
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>>135787037
More of course. Farmers don't get beaten if they don't meet the production quotas.
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>>135786836
Reddit pic
>>135786704
Reddit social skills
>>135786461
Reddit game
>>135786250
Reddit green text
>>135786552
Reddit anime
>>135785771
Reddit meme
>>135785756
Reddit self consciousness
>>135785568
Reddit jpg
>>135785559
Reddit instincts
>>135785413
Reddit bragging
>>135785120
Reddit idiocy

Thanks, /u/big_benis_in_my_anus.
>>
partido
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>>135787037
less. they eat your profits...literally.
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>>135786461
what game is it
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>>135787037
More.
Whip > wage.
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>>135787319
my cunt: the game
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>>135787082
But Ieft saying "good luck with your discussion". I simply don't want to join a discord full of people I don't know talking about shit I don't know nothing about.
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>>135787018

ye
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>>135787319
let me see.

bfy(dot)tw/4qER
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>>135787319

War in the Pacific: Admiral edition
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>>135787223
>>135787437
To play the devil's advocate: the book I found claim they were more productive but less efficient. We can't have the distinction in game but they did fuck shit up on purpose.

>>135787301
But they don't get wages, which supposedly made them cheaper. Slavery was profitable.
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Anyone interested in an actual /gsg/ discord server?
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>>135787037
>wage fag
>gets paid the same regardless of whether he picks 1 ball of cotton or 100
>slave
>gets whipped if he doesn't meet his quota

Look at the Congo, was that profitable?
Also, you should add an event that makes some Congolese farmers slaves and transfers the law of the land to "freedom of womb" for whoever owns it, at the cost of some infamy.
It really is retarded to claim what went on wasn't slavery, see pic related.
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>>135787793
but less profitable than sharecropping ala post-civil war
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Building an industry in Spain is fucking annoying.
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>>135787823
Yes, as long as I'm a mod. Iactually left one discord channel because mods were anadultered cunts there.
t. Lad
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>>135787823
>Anyone interested with chatting over 80 autist memers
I don't know lad, are you
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>>135787793
There's a reason the south kept slavery as long as it did, and no, it wasn't just "muh kkk"
>>
Okay, how do I into mid-game Venice in CKII?

I start out great, become the Serene Republic after I throw 2 merc armies at the first crusade and get granted the land... and the the Byzantine Empire REEEEs at me, declares war, and then I get my ass kicked, because they can raise more armies than I can hire mercs.

What do?
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>>135788131
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
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>>135788279

I don't get it...
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join up lads
https://discord.gg/0tjeeNJ437HuAsGZ
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>>135785559
You've been looking at stereoscopic porn too much.
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>>135788564
>...
Off you go, lad.
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>>135788564
>asking for ebin help
>blog posting
>"what do" rather than ironic "wat do" spelling
Tell tale signs of a redditor.
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>>135787894
Probably due to the increased of costs of slaves.

The problem is, it's a fucking long discussion and I'm not sure there's a definitive answer. The economist says
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/09/economic-history-2
>Robert Fogel and Stanley Engerman made the most famous contribution to the debate. Their book, Time on the Cross, suggested that slavery in the American South was a lucrative enterprise for plantation owners. The authors reckoned that slaves were treated pretty well. And this meant that they were productive.

>>135787867
Well the Congo was profitable because it was purely exploitation. Slaves are not only something to exploit, they are goods. They have value so you lose money if you cut both hands of a slave. Since Congo had a lot of people and you didn't buy any of them, they really didn't care about them. It wasn't an investment.
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>Play first game of Vicky II
>Brazil
>Make farms better
>Money pours in
>Conquer Argentina with France
>Conquer Uraguay and Paraguay
>UK and USA declare war on me
>France joins them
>Feel Betrayed
>Surrender
>Can't build army and everyone in the world is declaring war on me
>Communist Rebels everywhere
>Rage Quit

What did I do wrong?
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>>135788772
>>Brazil
There
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>>135788698
I think you should perhaps make slave produce more than farmers just for the fun of it. I mean, if they are worse off than farmers, why would anyone take the mil/con damage of keeping slavery around?
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>>135788687
>>135788659

What? Holy shit? Are you people seriously that fucking autistic?
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>>135787793

Wouldn't it simply make sense gameplay/mechanics wise to make them at least somewhat more efficient, this would make the world market to have more basic resources in the beginning without making the eternal oversupply economy collapse any earlier really (as there won't be that many slaves around in late-game unless the player has a huge empire with Slavery Allowed)
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>>135788698
Well I would recommend what you do is add another rung to the slavery ladder "de facto", between freedom of womb and outlawed, it would be good for situations like the Congo and if Russia/Austria took the " enslave the serfs" decision for incidents where slavery wasn't officially referenced but it was the case.

Either that or just give the CFS puppet freedom of womb. Either way it needs to be acknowledged as slavery.
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>>135789020
You just keep incriminating yourself further tbvqh.
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Pearl Harbor wasn't too bad.
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>>135789020
"..." Is one step before "xDxD", lad. It's best for all of us you fuck off.
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>>135789487
Tora Tora Tora
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>>135789020
Don't listen to those militant autists lad, I still like you.
And to be honest if you're running out of money as Venice you're doing something wrong.
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>>135788976
>>135789042
Yes, I agree with you both and I'm more inclined to do that. How much more productive is another question.

The problem is, slavery shouldn't be inherently more profitable, always.
>John Elliott Cairnes, an economist, reckoned that slavery stifled economic growth in the South. Cairnes argued that reluctant workers depleted soils more quickly. In addition, scientific agriculture was impossible. Reluctant slaves, with little interest in learning, had no interest in using new farming techniques. And this meant that Southern farms lost competitiveness to their Northern counterparts.

Unfortunately, I can't do that. Inventions don't differentiate between the productivity of a slave and a farmer.

I can only do that with the tractors RGO spread.
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>>135789581
t. samefag
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>>135789661
Or just leave as it is and increase the value. Its clearly how Paradox intended and not a bug.
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>>135789681
But I'm not. You could quote those two post and I could post a screenshot proving it.
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>>135789873
If Paradox intended it, it's probably wrong.
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>>135789898
>defending ledditors
Then it's even worse, lad. Shame on you, facilitating their invasion.
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>>135789873

though the whole point of modding in Paradox games is to fix retarded shit they intended the game to have
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>>135789661
Could you put a discovery malus on the relevant inventions while not abolished?
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>>135789953
Eh, I think he's a cool lad. I'm sure he will assimilate.
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>>135790070
...? Really...? You think I'm cool...? xDxD How do I upvoted this comment?
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>>135790070
abos dont assimilate
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>>135790070
>thinking a flood of immigrants 'assimilate'

living in a gated white community, it seems.
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>>135790070
only a redditor would blindly believe in the benefits of immigration and trust that assimilation is a certainty
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>>135790181
>false flagging to make the Venice lad look bad
Kill yourself.

>>135790276
No, I actually live in a country people don't migrate to.
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>>135789929
>>135790007
I like the idea that slaves give bonus instead of giving you the same shit as farmers
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>>135788627
is this gonna go on to the op?
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>>135790070
>cool
>not based
You're one of the fucking reddit plebs too, aren't you?
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>>135790031
I could but then you fuck the northern farmers, for example. Stuff like Cotton Gin should make slaves more profitable but they shouldn't drive tractors and shit. The 50% tractors give is significative and I can make it take more time in slave states, same thing for distribution channels, which would then be a 100% advantage of free states over slave states but you still have stuff like mechanized fishing boats giving slaves an advantage over free states for no reason.

Oh well, I will leave this for when I wake up. I'm too tired. Good night /gsg/.
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>>135790460
It might, it might also die out like the IRC did or become a cancerous fuckfest like the steamgroup did.

The future of /gsg/ is yours to decide anons, join now
https://discord.gg/0tjeeNJ437HuAsGZ
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discord is shit i see no reason to use it
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>>135790804
I'm too old for new-fangled shit like discord...in my day all we had were vent or TS
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>>135790804
what server was the IRC channel on?
>>
>>135791145
rizon iirc
>>
Vote on the reddit invasion, me lads.
http://poal.me/nzc5po
http://poal.me/nzc5po
http://poal.me/nzc5po
>>
why are all my HPM flags totally fucked?
>>
>>135791565
You installed a new version without deleting the cache of an old one, do it
>>
/gsg/ is very much like Greece. All of its population shares the same genes as Reddit, just like Greeks are pretty much the same race as the Turks
>>
>>135791672
my mod folder was totally empty
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>>135792073
not talking about your mod folder, you cache in my documents/victoria 2/hpm
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>>135791997
Actually that's not true, most of us don't go to reddit but you faggots think you're that fucking brilliant that everyone simply must go there, the truth it you're just admitting you go there. You're probably the top contributor on /r/cuckolding
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>>135792169
I actually never posted on reddit, as I could never be arsed to make an account. I'm just trying to harvest (you)s.
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>>135792367
if you are interest in (you)'s you are definitely a karma-whore. wink wink
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So I've recently gotten out of the hospital and I think I'm gonna pick back up work on another 7 years. I can confirm its compatible with the latest vicky patch. Expect an update within the next few days to finish up the new world's initial events before I get stated on Europe's.

Anyone have any interesting alt history ideas for Africa/China/Japan?

just posting this so I can show lad the map
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>>135792496
>>135792367
Serious question, me lads. Why not fuck off to /r/paradoxplaza, where you're welcome? You idiots keep throwing epic fits out us using racist epithets in casual conversation, despite the fact we have always done that. Equally, you keep misusing our memes and the subtle dialectic misplacements make you stick out as the faggots you truly are, so why not just leave? Go back to your homeland, where you belong?
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>>135792639
>hospital
What happened m8
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>>135792130
thanks lad, i forgot games even put stuff in non-install directories
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>>135792639
Why would the French let the British keep so much of North America? And wouldn't the UK losing the 7 years war piss off the colonists even more? Not only did they lose the war, but they'd also get those tax hikes to help pay for it, which helped trigger the American Revolution.
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>>135791997
REMOVE KARMA
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>>135792639
>British win war in OTL
>take every French colony in NA
>French win war in your time line
>British keep all their possessions
Simply epic, my man.
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>>135792639
What's going on with the Ottomans?
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>>135786840
console yesman
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>>135792878
>>135792992
status quo ante bellum in North America, the thirteen colonies were too populous for the French to have any hope of winning there or controlling the colonies but they won in Europe and Asia so at the peace table both sides decided to ignore North America.. My reasoning for why the USA aren't independent at the start is that the French are strong enough that the colonists fear annexation though and so they're sticking with the devil they know for now.

Besides do you guys want an even blobbier France?

>>135793159
Austrian revolutionaries kicked their ass super hard and redraw the Balkans as puppet states, then after the coalition put down the revolution they split them amongst eachother as spherelings, the Ottomans are still relatively stable in the muslim world.

>>135792742
I end up there every few months it seems like, not trying to blogpost though, I'm OK now.
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>>135793768
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
>>
Does anyone know of any games that take you from the ancient period up until the current?
>>
>>135794426
Empire Earth
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>>135794426
civ :^)
>>
>>135794426
rise of nations
>>
Any one else playing Project Augustus now that its released

(btw, please preorder stellaris)
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>>135793865
>Besides do you guys want an even blobbier France?
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>>135795065
why the fuck would i ever order that shit?
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>>135795334
to unlock the platypus meme race plus flag customisation
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>>135794590
>>135794768
>>135794819
Thanks
I guess what I should have phrased it better
I am looking for a grand strategy game.
I just got done playing EU4 for the first time and am kinda hooked.

So are there any grand strategy games that have a fairly extended time period?
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>>135795550
spore
>>
Just mods, and bad ones at that. You can do a mega campaign by finishing one game and converting the save to the next one though, CK2 to EUIV even has an official converter so you can go from Charlemagne to Napoleon, then to WWII with Victoria 2.
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>>135795550
spore t.bh pham
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>>135796354
I fucking hate these reddit plebs who don't understand our memes.
>inb4 I've been here since 1999
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>>135795678
>>135796060

I was really disappointed with that game but thanks.

>>135795690

Awesome suggestion. I guess im getting CK2.
>>
when did you realize that paradox games are generic crap, gsg?
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>>135796718
When did you realise this isn't your fucking home, go back to >>>/r/eu4?
>>
How does one get into these kind of games? I just got Victoria II 2 days ago, but i have no idea what to do. I already played the tutorials, and saw a couple of videos, but it still looks kind of complex. Any tips or something for a dumbass trying to get into gsg? I'm kind of dumb, and i haven't played strategy games (I've played a couple of RTS, but no these kind of strategy)
>>
>>135797120
This LP will give you all the info you'll need to play Vicky.

http://lparchive.org/Victoria-II/
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>>135797120
If you think vick2 is complex, you are dumb as a rock with spergs
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>>135796907
For the Glory was the high water mark of the EU series.
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>>135797267
Yes, i already now that, but that's not helping to answer my question.

>>135797236
Thanks! I'm checking it out right now,
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>>135797470
Do you prefer /r/cuckold or /r/stellaris?
>>
Is it worth downgrading to pre-Conclave in CK2?
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>>135797801
https://youtu(dot)be/EeAi5SOwWsA?t=104
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>>135798006
>"Upgrading" in the first place

Thanks for inviting this trash into our home, big benis.
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>>135798357
Take that as a yes then.

Should I download all of HIP, or just Somewhat More Historical?
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>>135799203
>cheating
You're the best, big benis.
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Wew.

Annex Genoa and suddenly everyone is angry at you

Hoping Poland and Spain come to my help when the coalition declares war
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>>135799710
How is that cheating?
>>
>>135799964
f-fuck off..
t-thanks benis..
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>>135800559
Y-you're welcome?
>>
Is CK2 still fucked?
>>
Has anyone ever attempted to make a V2 mod that is based on a different world? Not a different timeline but an actual different world. There are Game of Thrones and Warhammer mods for CK2. Is there anything like that for V2?
>>
BENIS :D DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>
In the HPM files, does anyone know where I can find the system extermination events?
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Constant crises in West Macedonia result in ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except for completely resetting my flashpoint progress in Bosnia every time.

But I noticed that the UK is backing the Ottomans despite being allied with the Greeks. What the fuck?
>>
>>135792639
>Anyone have any interesting alt history ideas for Africa/China/Japan?
Tell me about the alt.Liberia.

Also, for Japan I've had this alt history idea about them being annexed by Netherlands in the 1600s and partially converted to Catholicism. The game starts with the Shogunate and Christian Japan at civil war with each other and both revolting from Netherlands, who owns only Edo in Japan.
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>>135802397
Dude, why didn't you ask an hour ago? He's back at the hospital in three different pieces.
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>>135802397
Why would they own Edo and not Kyoto?
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>>135802397
How THE FUCK would the Netherlands conquer Japan? In the 1600s of all time.

Seriously, just fuck off back to >>>/r/eu4.
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>>135802527
>Why would they own Edo and not Kyoto?
They used to own all of Japan but got pushed back there. I'm not too attached to Edo being Netherlands' last stand. I just thought it interesting for them to be with the Emperor.
>>
Is he retarded?

https://www.reddit.com/user/BIG_BENIS_IN_MY_ANUS
>>
>>135802651
You aren't making these thread better by acting like this, you know?
>>
>>135802930
>>>/r/eddit
>>
>>135802896
>I just thought it interesting for them to be with the Emperor.
Then what the fuck are they doing half-way across the country from his palace?
>>
>>135792639
I think the US and Louisiana should be independent, but the US should have significant French minorities where they border Louisiana.

As for Asia, it wouldn't hurt to give the East indies back to the Netherlands, and maybe an event to give France the ability to take Guangzhou-wan and Indochina the same way the UK can take Hong Kong
>>
>>135803026
>>135802930
>>135802896
>hurr durr, us redditors are seriously improving this shit show but that's fine, maybe you have some growing up to do
Fuck off. You have completely obliterated OUR culture with your fucking fag posts and now you blame me for telling you to go back. Everybody on pre-invasion /gsg/ knew the Netherlands couldn't invade and annex Japan in the 17th century, but you faggots play so much eu4 with it's incessant "curflic jurpun xDxD" meme that you fucking lunatics actually believe they would accept annexation by a European power in the 17th century, solely because every nip was now magically a catholic.

This fucking shit, this shit is why I hate you all and want you all to stay on reddit, you know nothing of history, you know nothing of /gsg/ and you know nothing outside of your heavily moderated little SJW hugbox designed for literal homosexuals like yourself. Kill yourself.
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>>135803498
SCRUMP SCRUMP SCRUMP

t.rob
>>
What mods do I need to play eu4 lades
>>
>>135803674
>>135803717
FUCK YOU FUCKING MEME MISUNDERSTANDING CUNTS, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FUCKING FORUM, DO WE REALLY NEED TO CALL ANOTHER FUCKING INVASION OF /R/PARDOXPLAZA TO RID OUR GENERAL OF THIS GREAT EVIL? I'M WARNING YOIU MENETH IF YOU DO NOT FUCK OFF RIGHT NOW THEN SHIT IS ABOUT TO GO FUCKING DOWN
>>
>>135803498
And, pre-invasion you would have just called me an idiot and not gone on this tirade about a boogeyman I have no relation to.
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>>135803674
doin it wrong desu
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>>135803930
Yeah, well maybe you should have thought about that before you pitched a shit post invasion.
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>>135803986
No, it's my meme now

SCRUMP SCRUMP SCRUMP
>>
Noble Waggler, if you're out there, we need you now.
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>>135804056
You are the one shitposting right now. You are posting without content.
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>>135804342
>hey guise look what my urbenk cadalac jaypen did in the 1600s, they only went and surrendered their entire country to the Netherlands without a fight xDxD
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>>135804342
SCRUMP SCRUMP SCRUMP
>>
Do I need a legit copy of Vic2 to play multiplayer? Where's a good place to find multiplayer games?
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>>135802397
I have stuff for liberia in already, any non-slave state with provinces in the americas can found it with changed province names based on culture and a different primary culture depending on what africans you have, I actually really like the decision. There's a similar one for Sierra Leone too.

As for Japan, I like the idea of Kurishitan Daimyos, I'll think on it

>>135803274
The USA and the war of independence needs a lot of work, they definitely shouldn't stay British unless a lot of work is done maintaining a hold on the colony, but I'm not just gonna put them there at the start.
Part of the backstory (and a part I'm totally willing to change as I'm not too fond of it) is during the Austrian revolution Britain sided with Austria to spite France and used its naval superiority to go around swiping Dutch colonies. So I could rework that. I'm not sure entirely how though, I don't want to just give it back to the Netherlands as ultimately I want as few "just like vanilla" areas of the map as possible, I just need some good possible historical alternatives to what would have happened in the region.
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>>135802397
Realistically Japan would have become a great power at least on par if not above contemporary European powers and gone on to dominate East Asia had they not gone full isolationist. The idea of them being annexed by a colonial detachment like the Aztecs or Incas is a complete fantasy.
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>>135804786
hey this is all well and good but why isnt Japan catholic and owned by the Netherlands xDxD
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>>135804989
actually japan would be fine with accepting Dutch rule because they were catholic
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>>135804989
>>135805036
Annexed outright by a colonial detachment isn't realistic, but if Christianity got more popular support then a sengoku era that never really ended, fuelled by religious divisions and the Europeans getting involved in some way is possible. Christianity was suppressed in the first place (and the Portuguese kicked out and replaced by the Dutch) because the Dutch convinced the Shogun that Catholicism was a tool of Spanish conquest and there was a bit of a track record to prove it in Mexico and the Philippines, the threat was real enough that the Japanese acted on it.
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>>135804786
How does the war of independence happen?
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>>135805358
actually and ive bought all the EU4 DLCs so trust me on this catholic Japan is not only historically accurate but the fact it didnt happen in real life is wrong
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I'm playing CK2 as a Slavic Pagan tribe. Early start in CK2+, with a shattered world for more !!FUN!!. I need a mod to make reforming the Slavic faith a little less onerous, because in vanilla the holy sites you need to reform it are scattered to the far corners of Slavdom, some literally in seperate de jure empires. This is in stark contrast to the Baltic and Nordic pagans, whose holy sites (and thus reformation potential) are all in the same general area and can be gained through the normal process of forming your de jure kingdom.

Can you help me out /gsg/?
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It's happening, lads.
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>>135804786
How about do you go forming Germany? Can you go full German Federation on everyone's ass with Austria or something or is it just the same as vanilla?
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>>135805906
All me
t. serbia
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>>135805380
As of right now the only thing in it is if the British ban slavery (by decision, they have the slavery debate modifier) then the dixies secede as the CSA and go to war, it was the last thing I did before releasing the alpha version that's in the OP right now.

I'm open for input on any specific courses it could take, all I'm really sure about now is I want a range of possible outcomes and I want to simulate how divided the colonies were over independence and loyalism.

>>135806000
Europe is almost entirely untouched right now in terms of events and decisions, Germany is pretty much Vanilla. Prussia is weaker and Austria has a strong liberal tradition (that's being barely kept under wraps by an unpopular monarchy) so there's definitely some stuff I can do there.
Also, how's this sound for Asia? Japan is essentially Sengoku Jidai still, divided into warring states in two rough spheres of Influence, the Portuguese Faction of mostly Christian Daimyos in the south centred around Osaka and the Dutch faction of Shinto and Budhist Daimyos in the north centred around Edo. The Dutch and Portuguese would have varying levels of involvement that could potentially lead to colonies on the ground if a faction isn't strong enough to stop them by the 1870's or so but would mostly be supporting their sphere with arms, technology and trade.

And in Indonesia British intervention weakened the Dutch enough that a native empire has been able to spring up and start Srivijayaing its way through the islands, powerful expansionist unciv in the region with French, British and Dutch trade posts eyeing it hungrily.
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>Yugoslav Pan-Nationalists rise up in Serbia, the strongest South Slavic country
>not in the Ottoman Empire, which is occupying most of Yugoslavia
Thanks Johan
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>>135807125
>>135807125
Just think of them as fascists/irredentists.
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>Serbia has no right to rule Southern Serbia and its 51% Serbian population
Thanks Johan
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>>135808083
>Ottoman liberation movement
>Turkish terrorists kicking up a fuss about Serbian imperialism
maximum kek
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The state of Europe at the turn of the century.
>Germany hasn't formed
>France and Austria getting cucked by Italy in World War 2
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>>135808358
>grossnetherlandiums
How/why?
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>>135808358
>vanilla
You should be playing HPM.
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>>135808358
The netherlands is pointing at crimea, what does it mean?
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>>135808358

>Spanish metastatic colonial cancer spread
>that North German - Danish border

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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>>135808467
This is my first game in I don't even know how long. I don't know which mods are good right now.

>>135808573
Prediction for next stage of IRL Crimean crisis.

>>135808751
Africa is a clusterfuck, as always.
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>>135808914
>I don't know which mods are good right now.
HPM. Download it as soon as you finish this.
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I've taken Formosa from the Qing as Shogunate Japan and I want to take Fengtian and Heilongjiang in a second war. How should I go about doing so? They have naval superiority, but I have the imported firearms and artillery reforms.
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>>135808976
What does that stand for?
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>>135809145
Hip Player Mod
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>>135809145
Hysterical Pony Mod
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>>135808573
>>135808914
>Prediction for next stage of IRL Crimean crisis.
It seems to be pointing more towards Transnistria/Moldova.
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>>135809145
Historical Play Mod

download it
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Can I stop the UK from annexing Lagos from Oyo by sphereing them?
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Fascism was invented in Canada and at some point the French became Communist.
What a wonderful world this is.
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>>135809564
Just annex the UK, problem solved.
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>>135810102
>haha le funny meme suggestions xDxD
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
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>great war never ends and is fucking the economy
>decide to intervene to end it and invade the US
>eternal anglo and me nuke the clappers
>finally fucking money
>literally 1 month later Germany attacks the UK for Schleswig
>great war
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>i'm hostile to you because i want 100 of your provinces
>but i'm not going to "buy" them from you even for 0 gold.
What.
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>>135809564

they can pick the second option that declares war on the UK if they're sphered by someone else, not sure if they'll call their sphere master in though (and you can't obviously intervene due to having a war goal already)

easier to just annex Oyo yourself t b h lad senpai
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>>135810778
Seriously why can't you just go back to /r/eu4? We don't want you here.
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>>135810846
Thanks m8, figured that's what I'd have to do but thought it'd be better to ask anyway just in case.
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seriously?
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>>135811334
Oh, thank God it's just ironic.
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>>135811334
mfw this happens
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>Italy the "Great Power"
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>>135812114
Everything's coming up Communist.
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Are there any mods that make America in Vicky2 not so event spammy? every 2 goddamn days you get spammed with some slavery shit that pauses the game.
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Behold the power of Totalism, comrades!

:^)
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>>135812114
>>135812232
you really should be playing hpm
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One decade to go and Europe is looking hideous.
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>>135813097
this is the reason you should be playing hpm
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>>135813097
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>>135813097
Why no expanding?
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>>135813612
My only opportunity was a crisis in South Serbia.
Other than that I've been too weak to take even my own cores back, much less any other land. I focused on industry and prestige instead of military because I didn't want to be poor.
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>>135813726
No stronk Russian big brother to help you out?
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91.72% of Serbia is fascist, so I will do the democratic thing and turn the country into a dictatorship.

>>135814327
I kept looking for a good opportunity to declare war but I couldn't handle it if Austria joined in on Turkey's side. I was trying to exploit flashpoints but once every other year or so there'd be a crisis in West Macedonia, nothing would happen, and by the time it was over all the tension in Bosnia would be reset. It also took a while for Russia to sphere me and they wouldn't accept an alliance before that.
I'll definitely be more aggressive next time I play Serbia.
Currently the Ottomans and I are both in Italy's sphere so I have no options whatsoever.
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This unit model kind of looks like it's wearing a track suit.
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>>135814683
>I'll definitely be more aggressive next time I play Serbia.

make sure you use HPM
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Finally done with this game. Never did a whole game in one sitting before.
Here's Europe at the end.
France is Communist, Sweden is Communist, Britain is Democratic, Greece is Fascist, and I'm Fascist. Everyone else is some kind of constitutional monarchy.

>>135814932
Chill, anon. I'll check it out.
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>>135815152
Final state of the world.
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>>135815152
good, hpm will stop those shitty borders from happening.
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I want to play Russia in Vicky 2 and turn it into the superpower it was always destined to be, but I can't be fucked reorganizing their autistic military.
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>>135776513
>lowered life rating by 5
Shouldn't that happen to all western countries to simulate them reaching stage 3 or 4 of their demographic transition?
Though I'm not entirely sure this all happened in V2's time period.
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>>135792639
for africa have the mali empire still existing but have it start with lots of separatist conflicts
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>tfw no encirclement mechanics
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>>135815590
What are you looking for anon, different army composition?
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i am fucked right?
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>>135818582
yes, you're playing a shit game
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>>135818582
nice imgur filename, reddit. Now kill yourself.
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rip germaniums ;_;
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>>135818783
>Germans defending Poles
Believable worlds.
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>>135819215
and italians turning germany's war around
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>>135819307
>Taking Austria
What the fug, anon.
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>>135819215
>"""historical""" projection mod
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>>135819359
It's just another redditor who wants to post an EU4 blob but thinks playing V2 makes him some kind of intellectual.
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>>135819215
It could have happened had Germany won WW1, they did create a Polish puppet state after all.
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>holy war on one of my duchies
>let AI siege up to 95% war score
>convert to attacker's religion
>>
hello you underage faggots
tell me some good mods for victoria 2
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>>135819683
unHPM
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>>135819741
thanks
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>>135819683
HPM and anyone who tells you otherwise is probably a member of a known shitposter group who have made it their mission to destroy the mod. Report and ignore them. There's a lot of evidence of all the shit they've tried to do here. I can post it if you want.
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>>135819481
>there is one way and one way only to play this fucking game
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>>135819683
Caleb's Political Titles
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>>135819938
1-2 EU4

3-4 Vicky 2

5-6 Hoi3

7-9 /gsg/ chooses

tell me which country to play as and what to do
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>>135819683
The Imperialist Adventures of Srbja and Friends.
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>>135820014
There's only one way to play it properly, reddit. Are you upset that you didn't get the hugbox you were expecting?
>>
Reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with blobbing.
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>>135820330
this
ignore the fucktards that whine about how you enjoy the game
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>>135820062
If you're going to play EU4, then don't post it here since no one is interested.

>>135820368
It's one thing to enjoy your game, it's entirely another to shitpost it here. Also nice samefag
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R8 my arab empire
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>>135820418
[autism intensifies]
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>>135820468
>Mecca was sacked by the sect’s leader Abū-Tāhir Al-Jannābī,[1] outraging the Muslim world, particularly with their theft of the Black Stone and desecration of the Zamzam Well with corpses during the Hajj season of 930 CE.
pretty edgy religion
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>>135820418
>samefag
are you literally retarded

and no
im going to play hoi3 anyways
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>tfw the comfy days of pre-Old Gods ck2 will never return
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does anyone have a black ice (hoi3) barbarossa save?

i dont want to play all the way through 1941 and just wanna start from barbarossa and have fun

thanks
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>>135820418
>If you're going to play EU4, then don't post it here since no one is interested.

I'm more interested in seeing EU4 than a faggot like you whining. Fuck off to 8gsg.
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>>135819481
maybe he's going for roman borders
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>>135821153
kill yourself, beta. stop trying to force yourself as a meme.
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Can any of you offer me any advice on forming Germany as Austria in HPM?
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>>135821351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-qftDlSww
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i'm going to try play prussia by my goal isn't to form germany
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vic 2 from archive doesn't save settings
wtf?
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>>135821693
>>135821747
reddit
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>>135821917
reddit
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here are my grobprussanium goals
>>135821917
t. reddit
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took my first territorial goals, i'm now building up to attack either austria or russia
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>>135822346
No lad, you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to unite all of Kleinceutschland without changing tags. That's the only proper way to stay as Prussia all game.
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>>135822980
well, my goal is to have the other german states as vassals
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>>135822959
Why are you cropping? And why the fuck are you not using your NFs?
>>
Any flagbros about?
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>>135823053
because he's from reddit and wants validation from /gsg/
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>>135823049
Yeah, that's not the same. And to be honest, if you were to annex them I think savescumming would be justifiable.
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>>135823053
because it says the file is too big to post here uncropped
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>>135823152
Then save it as a .jpg
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>>135823152
>974x540
>877kb
You wont hit the filesize limit so you're obviously lying.
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>>135823142
go back to /r/paradoxplaza kiddo and play casual kings 2 and pretend to be "DEUS VULT ayy lmao i am crusader" and let the big boys do the serious business and build our großgermaniums
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>>135823228
I think he looks at the .bmp that vicky saves(which is like 4MB).

>>135823152
open in irfanview, hit S, enter, you've got your screen
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>>135823320
trying way too hard.
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>>135823396
i don't even know how to play vic2, i've only played hoi3 before
>>
Dead general.
I blame ironic shitposting.
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>Load up Vic2
>Spend 20 minutes choosing a country on the main menu
>Load up game, spend half an hour drawing battleplans for endgame borders and colonies
>Begin losing a war in the 1840s
>Quit
Y-yeah I love this game too.
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>>135824691
>losing a war against the AI that isn't you as a secondary European power vs three Great Powers
laughing at you to be honest
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Here we go.
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>>135793865
>spoiler
Feel free to blogpost anytime you want, lad.
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>>135824786
I was the Dutch and I invaded Belgium after carefully planning endgame borders and both the UK and France intervened, but ally Prussia was invaded by Austria so they didn't do jack shit
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>>135824895
Babby's first large war?
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>>135825090
Very nice, impressive, yes.
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>>135824976
Belgium inevitably becomes a GP since they have a rather large industry at the start of the game. At that point, they will likely break all their sphere-relations and likely alliances.
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>>135778057

>claiming the shitty useless territory in the middle

Come on now mate, don't be a cunt about it.
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>>135824976
Maybe you shouldn't try setting abstract, meaningless "eng game borders" so you can shitpost on /gsg/ and just go with the situations that develop in the game
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>>135824598
I blame you
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WE
WUZ
TUNISIANS
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shoiYDp7EEA

dont seems bad.
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>>135760335

That's not a paradrone. That's just a fucking liberal
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>>135826976
>liberal
Oh look, Americans woke up.
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does defcon count as /gsg/?
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>>135827090
No, it's a wargame.
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>>135760335
actually you can include the rashiduns, some arab game company made a strategy game set during the rise of islam and you could literally kill important islamic figures but it was allowed

this is just idiot liberal
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>>135827090
Retards basically wont accept anything that isnt from paradox.
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>>135827090
sure, feel free to post it

>>135827193
so is HoI
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>>135827090
No, because this is boards.4chan.org/r/paradoxplaza.
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Playing as the USSR, might give the ol' coup treatment to a few countries to gain some friends. Which nations should I stage a coup in, /gsg/?
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who will win?
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>>135827473
Poland and France
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>>135827473
Why don''t you stage a coup in fucking reddit seeing as you love it so much pinko bastard
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>>135827545
The world.
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Anyone got some fun non gs games?
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>>135827473
Turkey is a decent coup choice.
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>>135827719
Stalker
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>>135826748
wtf.
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>>135827545
America always wins
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>>135827719
Endless Space and Endless Legend are pretty fun, as is Sins of A Solar Empire.
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>>135827719
Neptunia.
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>>135827752
Finished Call of Pripyat a month ago
good game
>>135827796
is Endless Legend a 4x?
>>135827828
>Neptunia
I am not a pedophile
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>>135827719
I like wargames. Graviteam tactics: Mius front and War in the East are pretty fun for me.
>>
>>135827828

fuck off james.
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>>135827854
>Finished Call of Pripyat a month ago
Then you're in for a ride once you discover mods.
>>
>>135827854
>is Endless Legend a 4x?
Yeah. Same devs as Endless Space so if you've played one it's pretty easy to get into the other.
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/gsg/ won the autism war
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>>135827924
I got some mods from ModDB and the stalker general
Ended up playing with a few weapon and HD mods
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>>135827854
>thinking Neptunia has anything to do with paedophilia
Found the SJW, fuck off back to tumblr.
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>>135828069

What game
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>>135828134
No, not at all
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>>135828161
defcon
here's a free download: https://mega.nz/#!VwM1BQBa!7SLRqo92paFPJM4KOBzMde9MzRtAJmcUGEtLszaYjeI
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>>135828069
>that many survivors
Seems like shitty WW3.

>>135828095
Well, the fun starts once you get into the slav mods that actually add content besides weapons.
>>
>watching mare nostrum
>that liege invasion of britain.
I take it all back, calais strait is the single greatest addition to the game.
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>>135828278
well it was a autism war

btw, is stalker good? i don't get what its about. is it a zombie game or something?
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>>135828393
>zombie
I suppose slavs could be considered zombies
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>>135828218
Glad to see we agree then.
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>>135828393
It's definitely a good game. It's about weird shit happening in Chernobyl many years after the catastrophe. You mostly fight with humans and mutants and it's not really about survival.
If you want to play it grab ShoC from game repacks on /sg/. Don't buy it as none of that money goes to the original devs.

>>135828452
hue
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rate my fascist multicultural empire
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>>135828251

Thanks anon, Looks cozy as fuck.
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>>135828531
Who owns that Cyprus?
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>>135828393
>is stalker good
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>>135828531
>DNSAP
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>>135828393

Stalker is really good. Some suggest to play it vanilla first, but honestly if you decide to try it out I would make a point of getting one of the less-invasive mods and playing that way.
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>>135759895
Is CK2+ good or is it reddit?
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>>135828531
Should've conquer Romania and Serbia.

>>135828618
Cyprus.
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>>135828798
Yeah, installing ZRP on your first playthrough is definitely a good idea. I just didn't wanna bother him with mods as vanilla ShoC is still pretty stable.
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>>135828618
cyprus
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>>135828903
>Should've conquer Romania and Serbia.
why would you want more shitskins?
>>
>>135828798
>>135828627
>>135828529
what is the best stalker to start with?
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>>135828874
It has some features I actually really like, one in particular being a system where you can give your relatives and other people Estates, which give them an income and makes them Lords, so instead of always bitching for counties you can give them Estates.instead. Generally speaking it's sort of meme though.
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>>135828874

CK2 is what you make of it, honestly, but that could be said about any of the Paradox games. You have to set your own goals and try to find something interesting in the narrative the game supplies. If you're not into it enough to fill in the blanks with the bits of storytelling the game provides, you probably won't enjoy it. None of the game's mechanics are particularly interesting/revolutionary, the appeal is from letting yourself and the game co-op in telling a story about a medieval dynasty.
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>>135829114
He's talking about a mod, Anon
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>>135829037
Chronologically. ShoC>CS>CoP
Play ShoC and CS with ZRP and SRP respectively. They make the game more stable.
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>>135828529
>ShoC from game repacks on /sg/
all I find on /sg/ are mods, bug fixes and the like
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>>135829037
Either Shadow of Chernobyl, or Call of Pripyat, do not touch Clear Sky, it's shit.
Also make sure you got a version with slav voices and english subtitles, it's important for immurshuns
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>>135829114
learn to read Johan
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>>135829136

yeah i didn't even see the +

I feel dumb.
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>>135829179
Yeah, I guess it can get confusing.
https://mega.nz/#F!Ql5CSLxb!gNkfqg-xAUfYezLuMaFtYQ!B1wSERpJ
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rate my territorial ambitions/progress as japan.

Imgur because >album

http://imgur.com/a/i9fNV
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>Playing Persia
>Thinking of attacking either GB or Russia
>Both are allied to eachother and both are allied to Germany

E P I C

Isn't there supposed to be a 1 GP ally limit?
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>>135829897
not after 1880/1890
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>>135829772
If you're going to blob into the USA might as well blob into China, why take only Hainan?
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>>135760335

>Muslim
>Liberal Democrat
>UK
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>>135829772
Blobbing too much outside of Asia.

Go for this but actually succeed more in China
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>>135829970
>>135829995
>not being able to take states from China without Mass Politics even as Japan. I don't know if it's a bug or what the hell is going on. I have Revolution & Counterrevolution, the Berlin Congress has fired etc etc...
Thus, the limited Chinese expansion is more due to time constraints than anything else. Hainan can be taken as a treaty port, right? The American expansion is mostly because of memeing, I might drop it in favor of more expansion in Indonesia for an easier game I suppose.
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>>135828531
>Ukraine exists
0/10
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>>135830404
t. cyka
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Are the Conclave and Horse Lord jew packs for CKII any good?
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>>135830568
t.xoxol
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>>135830568
I'm not cyka. And dont insult me anymore, pls.
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>>135830607
I guess it's not that bad once you disable the infamy. Download it from the OP and decide for yourself.
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>>135830646
t.мocкaль
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>>135830791
>>
>>135830912
t. sosacher
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>>135830756
No, fuck you cyka
>>
>>135831167
Not cyka.
>>
>>135831232
cyka
>>
>>135831232
бля yceчeны
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>>135831437
Hey Alpha
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>>135831443
speak human pls
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>>135831437
thats my screenshot faggot
i made it to mock you ß
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>>135831482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-qftDlSww
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CЛABA PAБOЧE-КPECTЬЯHCКOЙ КPACHOЙ APMИИ!
УPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
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>>135830568
>>135830646
>>135830756
>>135830791
>>135830912
>>135830965
>>135831167
>>135831232
>>135831298
>>135831437
>>135831443
Exchange of arguments of the highest quality between members of the most valuable European nations.
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>>135831669
>>
>>135831747
O kurwa.
>>
>>135831850
No siema.
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>>135831765
He would be happy to kill several bourgeoise bitches.
>>
I have enough clergymen, bureaucrats and soldiers. What do I do with my NFs now? Craftsmen until 1936 with clerks once in a while?
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>>135831543
Fak off Robin
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>>135832013
Capitalists until 0.1%, then craftsmen/clerks

landowners and artisans for maximum memeing
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>>135831747
Dont be so rude, Ahmed.
>>
>>135831945
Eh, lets not shit up /gsg/ even more. Lets keep this in english.

>>135832013
Once you have above 50% literacy encourage clerks for that factory efficiency and research point bonus.
>>
>>135832184
But don't you need a lot of craftsmen with your clerks? Does a factory with 10K clerk produces anything or does it improve the efficiency of 0 by a fuckload to 0?
>>
>>135832304
Yeah, you should preferably keep something like max 5:1 ratio of craftsmen to clerks.
>>
>>135766131
because vassals like it, as they get the chance to become the big ruler. So rulers adopt it as it increases their reputation
>>
If I convert from CK2 to EU4, is Prussian culture baltic or germanic?
>>
>>135833037
slavic
>>
>>135833037
Syrian
>>
>>135832304
Craftsmen will promote on their own with literacy and usually faster than clerks even with the national focus, you never have to worry about having too many clerks, stop after you hit 4% nationwide for the research bonus cap so you can switch to craftsmen for more industry score though.
>>
>>135833037
anglo
>>
>>135833216
>>135833113
AHAHAHAHAH FUCKING EPIC GUYS! sO trolLEd
>>
>>135833362
t.prussian germany player
>>135831876
>>
>>135833037
turkish
>>135833362
t. butthurt hans
>>
>>135833510
you missed the "Hail Germania" part
pretty good tho
>>
>>135833640
Yeah, it would have meant deleting the kids face, which I felt would ruin it. Plus SA is vaguely related to SA, germanic, anyway.
>>
>>135833510
Nice one.
>>
>>135833510
epic
>>
>>135833510
10/10
>>
>>135833510
>>
t.janny
>>
>>135833640
>>135833735
>>135833706
>>135833808
>>135833932
>>135833946
Post it again pls
>>
>>135834439
>cheating
>>
Did it get deleted straight away again?
Why do some people hate fun?
>>
>>135834439
>not using 4chanX
Wew laddo.
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Seriously, how the fuck do you play Iberia in HPM? I get to around 1836 then HPM declares war to not let me form and my ally, whether it be AFPG or Cobra, either refuses to join or peaces me out of the war as soon as the map loads, resulting in a game over.
Of course, if I ally with Rob I get absolutely nothing done because he's a shitty fucking memer who never wants to help me reclaim my cores from HPM.
What's the point of playing a nation if it doesn't exists, ¿to be swallowed by HPM's big sticky arguments 0 years into the game? Is the only way to form Iberia in Vicky to release it from one of the mods holding its cores?
>>
>>135834902
epic
>>
>>135834902
t. bobo
>>
>>135834902
eric
>>135835076
banned
>>
>>135834708
>cheating
>>
>>135835152
I think you're taking this meme a wee bit too far, m8.
>>
Reminder to check out our discord server if you feel like chatting
https://discord.gg/0tjeeNJ437HuAsGZ
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So, what's fun in EU? It would seem to have the least focus out of the Paradox games. I figure I might play around with the HRE, might try to conquer Jerusalem with The Knights. Overall though, I really don't know what makes the game stand out. Seems sort of bleh.
>>
who the fuck is bobo
>>
test
>>
>>135835398
EU is about making the grossest germaniums you could ever make. only PLEBS don't understand the appeal of GROSSDEUSLTAND
>>
>>135835486
did it work
>>
Are all Rus-ians honourary people of colour or are Belarussians and The Ukrainians Aryan?
>>
>>135835672
Ukrainians are aryans, poles, russians and belorussians are subhumans

t.bandera
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reminder that having fun is a bannable offence.
>>
>>135827048
>Resentful Liberal Democrat
>Calling him a Liberal means you're American
>Me replying to a 2.5 hour old post
wew tbqh
>>
>>135835804
this one was quite shitty desu
>>
>>135835578
yes
hot pockets didn't ban me
yet
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>>135835672
Belarussians are the whitest of them desu
Russians are a mongol slav mix
Ukrainians are a tataro-khazar-slav mix
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>>135835940
I thought that symbol was related to the Rurik Dynasty

Did Johan lie to me again
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Here's another one, me lads.
>>
>>135836127
>Did Johan lie to me again
do you even have to ask
>>
>>135836127
You are such a dummy anon...
>>
>>135836164
>>135835804
These are awful, step it up
>>
>>135760250
Heil Sutler
>>
>>135836508
I thought mine was funny. I was the reddit one btw.
>>
>>135836508
fuck off robin
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>>135836548
>Takes out Israel
>Shows Current Year Canadian next to Israeli flag
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Why don't you autists want to play MP?
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>Haven't played EU4 in ages
>Oh new launcher
>Hit Launch
>No error no anything game just CTDs

Ah okay good work here johan. Must be a new feature.
>>
>>135836783
fuck off back to your steamgroup
>>
>>135836783
but i do
>>
Reminder of Europe's true national borders.
>>
>>135836823
It actually is a new "feature". They were too lazy to fix a bug so they just made the game crash.
>>
>>135836882
I do as well but these lowlifes (>>135836881) always crawl out of the woodworks when you talk about it
>>
>>135836985

Nice job having even a basic concept of where Czechoslovakia is.
>>
>>135837313
t. newfag
>>
>>135836985
Do one for the whole earth now.
>>
New Thread
>>135837401
>>135837401
>>135837401
>>
Day One DLC confirmed for stelarris from german amazon listing

pre order now to get your "human diversity pack" to make sure your leader portraits include all the races of mankind.

Im sure everyone here will be buying this, yes?
>>
>>135837003
How does anyone even play this shit anymore? also 20 Euros for like 4 new mechanics? Fuck you johan.

No wonder /gsg/ is vicky 2 general now.
>>
>>135837463
where are the proofs?
>>
>>135835804
>>135836164
poorly memed
>>
>>135838579
>>135835901
>>135836508

Stop samefagging Robin you faggot
>>
>>135767059
>1852
>nietzsche burg
>>
>>135836164
I like the France one, but this one is lacking.
>>
>>135836985
fuck off moron
>>
>>135793865
he was "sick"

>aka drug addict
>>
>>135839789
Actually a schizophrenic.
>>
ALLLLUUAAHHHAA!!!!
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>>135743650
>>135743650
>>135743650
>>135743650
>>135743650

Real new thread
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>>135836985
>lesser transylvania
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