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/wfg/ OP pastebin, if its not like this one report it and make a proper one: http://pastebin.com/tprkwQYr
Nice job linking the old thread.
Threadly reminder that wanting to impregnate Nezha is perfectly normal.
So will Zhuge replace Attica for Thunderbolt spam builds?
>>135451628
you forgot your meds op
nezha impregnation
>>135451851
slimy froggy ivara footjob
>>135451853
>using thunderbolt
Should I forma Drakgoon or wait and build Hek and forma it?
>>135451761
Do you really want to go back to that mess?
I said this last thread but it got ignored by the console shitpost. I got an Ember P Set for 450p. Did I do well?
>>135452137
>he doesn't know
>>135451628
Previous ded: >>135402912
nth forstealthrework never, and getting the goddamn infestation off my fucking liset
>>135452147
Throw the drakgoon out the airlock like the piece of shit that it is. For one day it will smash into a corpus ship and snap off an antenna and that will be the most damage it will ever do.
>>135452147
>forma
>drakgoon
Threadly teminder that Nezha is a manly man and that imagining him as a femboy is tumblr tier nonsense
oh boy, my launcher is fucking up since the hotfix
sure hope i miss my daily bonuses while i want 2 weeks for them to fix this shit
Is any part of the Unairu / Madurai school good? Been very dissapointed with Madurai's Chimera Breath so far
>>135452183
memeing about it won't magically make it good
Is this dng?
>>135452647
Madurai is dumpster-tier all the way through.
>>135452802
And Unairu is even worse.
>Fixed the Zhuge being listed as Alarming when it should be Silent.
Ok so they fucked up
>Fixed Archwing Mods having no affect.
they REALLY fucked up kek
PANIC
ANICP
NICPA
ANICP
PANIC
Is there something wrong with playing on console ?
red pill me on Nezha
why is it shit?
>>135453303
Yes.
>>135453303
Nope. I play on both and the PS4 players are actually more friendly. PC community is filled with shitters that think they're good.
>>135453474
what ?
>>135453447
>"I hate going FAST" the post
>>135452326
>>135452354
I read on some dumb tier list that it was a top tier gun because of it's innate punchthrough, but even when charged that doesn't seem to work at all. I've shot it fully charged into a group and it only killed 1 dude.
Obviously I shouldn't trust tier-lists, but does anyone have any advice for what damage numbers I should be looking for in unmodded weapons? It's easy enough to get a hold of what is and isn't a good crit/status chance, but I can't seem to quantify damage in my retarded brain.
Is anybody else unable to complete a mission without the game crashing and it pulling up the "hardware failure" page?
>>135453303
nothing wrong
you are just playing some updates behind
Farming 3 days now for Fang P Handle. Farming 10 days now for Heavy Caliber. 10 quick spy missions a day for Ivara for 20 days. Why am I still trying?I'm sure someone out there has had it worse. Surely.
>>135453648
the game has been fucking melting for weeks
my launcher won't even function correctly
>>135453621
It's good on paper, shit in practice.
>>135453303
>>135451628
What's behind the door senpaiI'm spooked
>>135453537
The irony here is just off the charts
>>135453303
>>135453537
>what's wrong with playing on console?
>>135454619
>>135454589
>>135454473
>>135454314
>>135454019
>>135453474
>>135453303
MEEEEEEEEEEMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
>>135454619
Stop forcing this shitty meme.
Instead, force Ember's cock down my throat.
>>135452719
Sure, it's a shit mod, but it's fun as hell.
Use every rate of fire, mutlishot, magazine size, and reload speed mod you can possibly fit on an Attica (or Zhuge in this case because it has a higher rate of fire) and point-to-explode.
Bonus points for mirage or ivara.
>>135454861
I didnt even use a shitty anime tumblr type reaction image, i just think that someone who plays on a hardware that is targeted at 8 year olds calling the PC community toxic is ironic.
>>135454861
Who wants to roleplay with me ?
i am Nezha and you are Ivara
>>135455435
Okay but I am the one with a cock.
>>135454893
Concealed Explosives exists.
>higher proc chance
>better multishots / fire rate
>doesn't turn your primary weapon slot useless
>>135455435
do you want a footjob
>>135455547
Not this guy but i want ember to give me a footjob
>>135454861
>outdated toaster
>Why is it wrong to be playing on one
Do people expect sets to come with extra shit like orokin cells too?
>>135455545
Oh, right, I forgot about Concealed Explosives.
Note to self: Grind for it
>>135455651
You mean your pc ?
>>135455908
>y-your pc is a toaster
I'm not the one on the console bud.
>>135455769
Get Hikou Prime too for maximum explosion spam. It's cheap as fuck if you're too lazy to farm it.
how is 300p for a glaive bp?
>>135456259
It's a good deal. You should take it.
Seems like the focus bonus pickups are crashing my game about a minute after it wears off. Not sure what's going on, but the game counts it as a hardware failure.
Reminder thatmany times, when missions change objectives like making you kill 200 nigs, you can just go to extraction and finish the mission. I have tried that at least 5 times and it worked
>>135454382
bretty gud but you could replace those labels as well, with shit like disconnects, russian hosts and edgelords
>>135456259
warframe.market
There's two whole sets for less than 300p.
>>135456463
selling
>Increased overall ambient lighting across various tilesets to help improve the quality of character lighting.
... th-thanks DE
What the fuck is going on in the Orbiter?
is it possible to take a 0 rank warframe to draco and walk out with maxed rank in 4rounds?
>>135456975
When will people who are too stupid to lurk for more than 10 minutes stop posting this shit?
>>135457002
definitely, if your team is optimal and not retarded
>>135457045
when you stop bitching about literally everything, that's when.
>>135457045
thanks anon, y-you too
>>135457128
hard to believe, I did 4 rounds with 0 rank sayn and just one weapon and got this. will having good teammates really make a difference?
>zhuge is better than attica in every way except 25 points of damage
Powercreeped?
>>135456975
REVOKE THE FRAILTIES OF FLESH
LET US IN
>>135457364
your teammates should be should be an EV, an RJ, and a buffer (rhino, etc)
your team should cap only two towers (preferably C and D) and buffer should neutralize A as necessary
if everything goes right it will take just one round to 0-30 the only weapon you have equipped, two rounds to 0-30 two weapons, and three to 0-30 your frame
>>135457805
Attica is better for the standard build cause of low multiplier. Zhuge is made for crit builds. It's probably the perfect weapon for Artemis Ivara since the mods are exactly right while still remaining silent for when you don't want to use Artemis.
Legit question.
Is Darvo ever not shit with his sales? Last time I saw him he was selling a Skana for 20p, and if he ever has a good deal, he's sold out.
>>135452580
that's nonsense
nehza is canonically so metrosexual he fucked manly women and made certain she would enjoy it
>>135458270
One time he sold starter frames cheaper than buying slots. There was also those cheap formas but that got eaten up fast.
>>135457870
okay that makes sense. ty
>tfw taking 12 inches of baddragon horse cock into your rectum and imagining it as Ember's
>>135456975
your unused warframes have been occupying themselves. something about a ninja twister game Loki looted out of a strange orokin void cache he found while fussing around the ship
sadly there were some complications with some plastic bits, ember and nehza. I'm sure you understand they may need alimony.
a lot of it.
>>135457364
You might want to also remove the Sentinel weapon, I think. Or I might just be paranoid about muh affinity.
Having a team that knows what they are doing is the priority for optimal round efficiency in Draco.
Post frogs.
>>135458270
>>135458669
He had the Itzal once for what everyone agreed was a really good price.
>>135458842
>baddragon
>not getting an uber dragon dildo to pretend it's Chroma's
>>135455730
>>135459220
no, you can't even trade those.
ayy lmao
>>135459074
FROGS
>>135459074
tiger frog reporting in
>>135458842
What is that feel? I can't imagine it being anything other than extreme self loathing.
>>135459698
The self loathing comes after the ejaculation.
Before is like being fucked in the ass by a horse dildo.
Feel great, ass on fire, dick on fire, milking your prostate, a flood of ecstasy rushes through your body, you orgasm, another flood, you sit on the dildo for a good 30 seconds, you pull it out of you, then you realize what you just did and it's either self loathing for the next two hours or you accept what you did and do it again.
>using rhino's ferite armor
>with galantine
hnnnngggg
>>135459438
>buying alt helmet
>Reminder that you're causing the infestations because your ship is a vector of infection
>>135460367
but I didn't buy it
>>135457002
what is draco ?
>>135458967
>mfw that the infected are born from Nezha's numerous pregnancies
>Lephantis came from Nezha's fertile boypussy
>>135460880
But the warframes are infested, if that's the case Nezha would have had to have given birth to himself
>>135460479
What is Google?
>>135461078
A search system
>>135461000
It's my understanding that infested just kind of vomit up some shit onto the ground and it releases spores which make the area inhospitable to non-infested and also make more infested niggas.
Anyway, I wonder when we'll find out what's behind door number 2.
>>135461078
BABY DON'T SEARCH ME
>>135461078
An artificial intelligence designed to amuse visitors with information about information about information about information about
>>135461282
0DON'T SEARCH ME
>>135461404
NO MORE
>>135453771
It took a dude in my clan close to 300 flawless solo Spys before he got his first Ivara piece.I got all of her within 20 runs total.
did DE nerfed Loki Switch Teleport and Decoy?? i can't use them on Spy Mission
>>135461968
No, I've been using it just fine. I know this because I've been doing fucking Spy missions nonstop for hours.
>>135461968
They made it so you can't teleport into walls.
rip sleek
>>135453303
I play on PC, but if I was a console player, my biggest concern would be... what the fuck do I do when the Xbox 361 or the PS5 comes out? Warframe is something you play for the long-term. Even if you stick with your old console plugged in, you face the risk of the game being ded.
Pretty much any laptop these days can run Warframe anyway, so I just don't see why you'd bother.
The infested are just the Flood from Halo, except badly explained.
>>135453771
Just buy Heavy Caliber. I bought mine for like 10p
>Primed Chamber is worth up to 50k plat
What in the fuck
>>135462301
The Flood from Halo are just the Tyranids from 40k, but with silly voices.
![1cd5f0aa249cba9234b581a38d110d6f[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tZhVixE.jpg "1cd5f0aa249cba9234b581a38d110d6f[1].jpg")
>starting to grind formae
>dunno what to use it on
>don't like any frame enough for formae itKinda thinkin' 'bout Ember. All her abilities are usable. 1 can buff, 2 can boost damage, 3 is an oh-shit, and 4 is a suppression I enjoy. I'd rather her be electric themed than fire.Pic unrelated.
>>135462351
The Tyranids are just F̟̬͕E͏̬̩̲͔E̝͔D̳̫͕ ̳̙̰̞͔̼ͅT̻̫̤̠̙̻̬͜H̩̗̲̦È̻̱͇̙̰ ͉̳̙̻͚̱H̟̟̦̦̦̪I̩̥̗V̫͘E҉͎M̧̩̺̬̖̺̹I̧̟͍̯N҉̞D̜̫̼̻ͅ
>>135462469
Volt's 1 has the same augment, 2 and 3 buff, 4 wipes corpus maps.
No reason to not have both, but prioritize potatoes over forma first. You use forma for other things too, and they can be annoying to get once you run out.
>>135462351
The Nids from 40k are just the Zerg from Starcraft, but with no moderately attractive chicks.
>The new Warframe got leaked.
>It's fucking credit/gold themed and all of her abilities revolve around coins/credits in honor of Saint Patrick's Day
Is this an April Fool's joke
What sort of numbers does one have to achieve before a weapon is viable for Post-DEAC?
>>135462948
tonkor dmg
>>135462923
Wait what
when did it happen ?
Nezha hit the gym
Is atomos gud? How is it compared to sonicor since I can't trust tier-lists
>>135462991
>who's a sissy now, huh? HUH?
>>135462641
I also like volt. I hardly use his 2 though unless I'm melee rushing assholes, and I never use his 4, like, ever.
I find myself using Valkyr due to her raw stats. I only use her 2, 1 is okay for mobility and 3 is pointless for me, 4 for healing but I have a Furis for that.
So it's either 1 of those 3...
Any idea what the fuck is going on?
Doing a defense mission and the cryopod's health keeps dropping rapidly. No enemies are spawning either.
>>135463294
look at the map
>>135463294
check the map genius
>>135463387
>>135463423
Yeah, noticed it after I posted.
I'm retarded.
How do you work this room? There's stuff underneath but the elevator doesn't work.
I know I posted earlier and have now outed myself as a shitter.
>>135463294
Hydroid?
>>135463294
>Any idea what the fuck is going on?
yeah
you are legitimately fucking stupid
>>135463294
rhino players
>>135463294
this is actually funny
>>135463454
Fuck
>>135463018
Atomos is great, better for massive crows than single target. But its still a pretty decent weapon to keep and potato. especially if you mod it for blast.
>>135463294
The only thing more dense than you is your own Iron Skin.
>>135463602
There isn't an elevator, it's a misplaced crate you can explode with a ground slam with a good melee.
>>135463294
>Tfw the infestation will finally kill your potato self
how do i git gud with loki
i die too much and my decoy and invis a shit
>>135464072
Never stop moving, and add quick thinking to your build.
>>135459074
Based frogs
What the fuck is this thingignore my oxygen and time
>>135459586
>heart
nice
I did the same
shit looks cute as fuck
>>135464765
Scan it, fuccboi. You do carry scanners, don't you?It's actually an "important" questline if you scan that fucker.
>>135464765
sentient scout, starts one of the quests if you scan it
How does DE manage to keep their fanbase with all of these fucktarded decisions? It looks like they are actually trying to kill the game.
>Say they are looking to reduce the grind for the player base
>add a resource that is timegated
>create the perfect system to shit out unbalanced weapons
>nerf anything that turns out good, ignore everything else
>same with mods
>buying anything from the store is literally a scam
>ignore and silence and complaints from the community under the pretense of 'devbashing'
How the fuck are they staying afloat?
>>135464160
>wasting a slot for quick thinking on loki
>>135465179
Our community manager does her job well.
>>135465179
Honestly, the main reason I even like the game is because you never have to buy anything. It's super easy to jew money since there's no retarded ass player marketplace ruining the jew tactics. I started playing less than a month ago and I've already amassed 1k plat without spending any money on the game. It helps that the gameplay is fun.
>>135465395
megan is better
>>135465610
i'll believe it when megan bleeds for us.
>>135465881
that's just a skidmark from her fart m8
>step into the spooky red mist
>ember disappears
>step back out
>she's missing her body
It's like something out of a creepypasta
>forma alert
>juggs spawns
>two people down
>invis to revive
>other player up playing fuccboi stands on top of me
>we both die
>host migration failed
>>135465179
It's kinda the only game that you can be a magical space-ninja that sprints through levels, shooting and swording shit to death while being arguly stylish as fuck or at the very least very fappable.
has anyone tried excal's blind mod with covert lethality
Ok so I haven't played the game in months. I log in and get into a match and some guy playing as Loki has a kid in purple spandex pop out of him and shoots a laser beam from his chest across the room.
WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED
>>135466580
Second Dream quest. Basically the answer to what in warframe.
>>135466580
Either a dev or some kid hacking.
>>135458842
>tfw knees so weak after intense anal masturbation session that you literally collapse onto the floor in a spasm
>>135466410
If you wanna 1shot lv130 enemy, either use CL, or use Radiant Finish with any melee weapon of your choice. Using both is just wasting slot.
>>135466580
before U18
>warframe are controlled by energy
after U18 and getting bought out by a chink inc
>warfame are controlled by energy of a growth stunned little faggot potato children from the moon
>>135467578
>Elaborating on the story is bad
>>135467578
We have to start somewhere, right?
>>135467839
>>135467852
Ok
now do 2nd dream and right after watch Evangelion
>>135467578
Actually, it was hinted at in Ember Prime's and Rhino Prime's codex entries, along with Ordis lines such as "Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
>>135467852
Didn't mean to quote.
I did it boys
>>135451628
http://pastebin.com/Mftv9RXK
op copy pasta updated for 18.6
but i see someone else is doing it now so just yell at them to update theirs then
>>135468956
what do you want, a medal
What's the best sidearm and why is Nukor?
>>135469025
>http://pastebin.com/Mftv9RXK
>News/Satire: http://www.tennoclocknews.com/
Nice try faggot.
>>135469358
:^)
THEY NERFED DRACO
>>135469924
What are you talking about you shitter
>>135469924
I think they did. I'm running it now and it's feeling a bit, underwhelming in comparison to it's usual clusterfuck..
>>135470016
enemy spawns reduced
>>135469924
Excalibur rj doesn't hit anything anymore
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/626152-cant-make-broken-war-requirements-changed/
>>135471001
wat de fug
>>135471001
they're adding the parts to the next sortie season
>Have to avoid focus powerups like the plague
>One spawns on me or I accidentally pick one up
>Game crashes a minute after the timer runs out
Fuck.
>>135469358
you sound like a faggot
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/49ulk4/tennoclocknewscom/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmMM7T11TB8
>tenno cock news
you're more of a faggot than listfaggot
>>135471001
>two blades, despite it only having one
>if it's not a repeatable reward, you can only get one a season and have to wait until the next season/trade for it
Good job DE.
No formas yet. How retarded am I?
Roast me
>>135473268
Drop the entire right side, get power drift to get the 145% cap
>>135473268
>rush
SHE CAN MAKE FUCKING PORTALS FOR FUCK SAKE
>Fast deflection, redirection and vigor
If you have the enemies down you don't need to worry about surviving
>>135473463
>not using the DELETE THIS build with the new mods
>roast me
>>>/r/eddit
>>135473571
Don't have power drift yet, unfortunately. Will put it on when I get it, though.
Right now, I'm just working with what I have.
>>135473590
>implying I own argon scope
>>135473268
This is what I use but i'm sure it'll be a lot better with primed mods
>>135473707
>implying I'm talking about argon scope
>>135473707
argon scope is a must on pretty much everythingand when I say pretty much everything I mean tonkor
>>135473768
primed continuity is really all that you'd swap out for though.
>>135473773
I cant read what is deleted
>>135473768
Man, the third Madurai slot on this thing is REALLY fucking me over. I assume that's what you have to use one of the formas for.
>>135474248
It's a mod from the shadow debt and its not a golden rare mod.
It has nothing to do with increasing damage per shot
figure it out
>>135464765
>mfw standing around shiny corpses waiting for the blue faggot to spawn
>this retard found one by accident and didn't scan it
How the fuck do I find oculysts?
>>135474484
By doing grineer sealab shit, retard
>>135474468
>>135473768
pic was for this. Nice build. get them prime mods and you will become a god.
>Everything I have is maxed
>Sliver away from MR 5
Kill me
>>135474748
Go buy a lex for credits
r8 my edgeconclave pvp is very fun
>smokey on one side, ordis' refrigerator mold on the other
>liset eventually just falls apart
>i stand there apathetically staring at this series of events
what is ordis just found some infested puppy or some shitor maybe we're finally getting our infested frame
>>135474748
Clear out some starchart nodes, that also gives mastery xp
>>135475147
All warframes are infested, it's just the closet you store them in when they're not in use.
Guess they decided to strip naked and walk around suitless have have hot infested orgies.
Building my first sentinel.
Is Carrier a good choice?
>>135475386
Carrier is wonderful, it's practically all you need.
>>135475386
Yes
what is the best fist/sparring weapon?
I wanna be the god hand
How are people Ssooo bad at spy missions, I just want to do a couple of lex runs and people have been fucking up everytime. Is anyone here willing to help a brother out and go fast?Ign: Cptkornflake
>>135475657
Obex is best. Put in crit mods and be a beast.
>>135475713
How does the other sparring weapon stack up with it?
sleek is back?
>>135475675
You'd be faster if you weren't a shitter and just soloed it ;^)
>>135476301
>Doing 3 vaults is faster than doing 1
Lol
>>135476370
>Not doing Spy missions with Loki and earning millions of affinity.
Instant level 30 weapons. Well, just about.
>>135476370
You can easily solo a full spy in ~4 minutes. I find it less annoying to just solo and not deal with other people fucking up.
wtf is this?
>spent all my cryotic on trinity p parts
>dont even have her blueprint
>cant make Chinese crossbow
shit
>>135476718
>he got captured by the Grustrag
>>135476718
honka honka
>tfw your head will never be crushed by Ember's thick thighs.
Why even live, Anons?
>>135476718
Sick tramp stamp
>>135476718
you got tagged and bagged by the gringos 3
>>135476863
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+i+screenshot
>>135476718
Fuck I didn't know you get the wear the emblem.
I need to get trapped.
>>135474484
They will spawn on Tyl Regor every time.
>>135477153
it's what happens when you open doc and paste a picture from copy I happens sometimes and you forget the recrop the picture. since you made a file you might as well download it right click it and press edit. redirects straight into mspaint.
anything to log in for? is there finally a guro-themed gothic lolita frame to pander to me? or should I keep playing real video games instead and let the fat/fart/firechickendick fetishists have their thing
>>135475386
The only other one worth using is Helios, and he's probably a ways off for you if you're just building your first.
>>135477415
>>135475580
>>135475581
Nice, nice.
Thanks dudes.
>>135477163
You do 50% damage to grineer if you have it on
>tfw warframe's spawning mechanics make the tactic of bottlenecking essentially impossible
I just want sniping to be viable
>>135477485
no problem. pub shitters with ash and posterboy.
>>135462948
It needs to 1 shot anything up to lvl40
>All these Vauban alerts lately
Booben Prime soon?
>>135477748
nope
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/626187-server-issues-again/
Good job DE
>>135477529
>warframe
>sniping
>stealth
>anything tactical
the game's setting and content have so much potential, but it will never be anything but a poor man's horde killing spree pachinko simulator and an engine in which to go fast through poorly and unintentionally designed obstacle courses - the poor as fuck spawning mechanics are merely one symptom of the true underlying problem, which is a high-level anti-player sentiment (more specifically, anti-anything that circumvents or speeds up the grind and bypasses the obtuse intended monetary model) and the tendency to only attack highly visible "problems" with the game and only when they endanger the potential for new playersand whalesto pick up the game and possibly buy plat
>>135477748
>no helmet
HELMET WHERE
is the tranny cutting itself still the best DEAC walkby?
>>135477820
EMBER'S
FUTA
COCK
LEAKING PRECUM FROM BEING FISTED
>>135477940
ember works pretty damn well, especially in void missions where you can run a high-strength high-range build and just keep getting fueled by traps
>>135477820
voted for PMscott4PTHC
>>135477820
You didn't lock the answers.
>tfw can't sellCollision Force
>only thing valuable I can part with nowadays
>>135475774
The only other sparring weapon is Kogake, everything else is considered Fists. Fists have better actual attacks, but sparring has better quick-attacks. If you plan on having your gun equipped and you're okay without channeling, pick up the Sparrings.
Comparatively, Kokage has 5% less crit chance (25%->20%) and 10% slower swings (1.0->0.9), and doesn't have the sexy punch shockwaves, but does 40% more damage (25->35).
I like the Obex more if only for the shockwaves. But do whatever you wish, they're both cheap and you can easily try out both before formae and potato.
Ordis, what did you do?
