Tinystation Edition
LAST TIME ON /ss13g/
>shitposting as usual
>greentext
>possible walk animation by slavs, is spess kill?
>nobody reads these anyway
>minerals
>What is Space Station 13?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHH1vfY6HTA [Embed]
http://pastebin.com/VNcX2Quc
>New player guide
http://ss13.pomf.se/wiki/index.php/The_Basics
http://ss13.pomf.se/wiki/index.php/General_Help
>BYOND client
http://byond.com/download/build/LATEST/
>Pomf Serbian, main /vg/station server, running a vote script to change maps at round end.
byond://ss13.undo.it:7777
>Test server
byond://ss13.nexisonline.net:1336
>Public server list
http://byond.com/games/exadv1/spacestation13
>Forum, ban list and logs for vgstation
http://ss13.pomf.se/forum/
http://ss13.pomf.se/index.php/bans
http://ss13.undo.it/logs/
>How do I connect to the servers?
Hit the cogwheel in the upper right corner of the BYOND hub and pick "Open Location"
>Map renders collection: updated nightly
http://ss13.nexisonline.net/img/map-renders/
>Coderbus, here!
https://github.com/d3athrow/vgstation13
@rizon #coderbus @rizon #vgstation
>SS13 booru for all your SS13 images!
http://ss13.booru.org/
>How To Install BYOND: The Video Tutorial: The Movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iWiZwv9f1o [Embed]
>Nostalgia
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/ss13g/
OP Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/wa9fnYbg
First for minerals are awesome.
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YOU FUCKED UP
YOU FUCKED UP
YOU FUCKED UP
YOU FUCKED UP
Repostan because new bread.
>raging mages
>go stealth wizard
>entire time dead chat whines about me being stealth
>keeps crying I'm playing like traitor with jaunt
>one whiner gets picked as next wizard
>dies in few minutes
>continues whining about me going stealth
>few other wizards get picked and all die soon after arrival
>the same guy whining gets picked second time
>he dies again moments after arrival
>keeps whining I'm stealth
ayy lmao
It's like being wizard shuts down their higher brain functions. ME WIZARD, ME KILL OR DIE
>>124883635
Who here likes minerals?
*raisespick*
4th for vox
>>124883782
Judging by the last thread, everyone likes minerals
>>124883782
Minerals arepretty
>>124883791
The Jarjar Binks of races.
>>124884224
where's his blanket?
>>124884224
Turning vox into chickens is so much fun.
>>124884287
Sith lords?
With the mineral posting last thread:
Theres a real nice cluster of olivine in some exposed early carboniferous rocks near by. But the area is a national land mark. No one ever walks down in the hollows, plus it'll fall into the sea or get worn away eventually.... not sure whether to take it.
New asteroid rock colour when?
>>124883520
I READ THEM EVERY TIME
Your efforts don't go to waste anon!
>>124880212
spoonfeed me i don't get this
>>124885240
nukeops round
one of them goes stealthy and integrates into the crew
bartender shift clicks them and sees jackboots and prescription glasses
queue accurate guess followed by apathy in the name of alcohol
>>124885359
Ban assdad for doing nothing about the newcops when
>>124885620
i dont know the actual situation, just what i got from the post
>>124885670
banbanbaan
>>124885359
THAT TOOK ME A WHILE.
The Bartender Vox was the Nukeops? I saved his life!
>>124885765
bartender wasn't the bartender assumed the person he examined was a nukeop being stealthy
>>124885765
No, one of the assistants at the bar was
Ban assdad for being assdad when
>>124884961
Don't take it, anon.
National Parks are for everyone to enjoy.
>>124885873
The bartend was Kyahi.
Khloe was the assistant who said the thing. There were only three of us.
I...
I don't get it.It's likely meant just to confuse anyway.
How is wearing Jackbooks and glasses suspicious? I need those to see!
>>124886156
well seems ive just helped confuse things then, my job here is done.
>>124884961
You do realize that would be a federal offense, right?
>"What are you in for?"
>"I stole some fed owned rocks."
>"Nice. Meth or bling?"
>"Olivine."
>"The fuck is that shit?"
>>124886225
Pomf socachachachaha said if I exploit my way to centcomm he'll ban me.
If he bans me will you unban me please thankyou.
>>124887258
>he
>>124886156
Only sec and newcops start with jackboots. And sec would be wearing their HUD sunglasses.
>>124887275
good meme attempt but sochacumbox is a cute boy
>>124887258
>he
>>124886156
>>124887357
You know you can get jackboots from a hacked shoe vendor or by hacking into the arrivals sec checkpoint, right? I know we're a light RP server, but jeez, try to reign in your meta-gaming a little bit mate.
>>124887214
>federal
not american, there are no laws forbidding taking it. Its just an emotional issue, I'd just feel bad taking something from a site people visit. So, on the one hand I want it on the other I don't want to rob others of seeing it. Not that it would be the first time, since I take fossils regularly. I'm conflicted and Off Topic. Please disregard this.
>>124887258
>he
lel
>>124887483
>I'm not from the country in which I'm currently breaking their laws so that means I can't get in trouble
I'm not sure your logic checks out on this one
>>124887449
pomf I want to go to centcomm
it beckons to me
>>124887681
I think what he meant was the laws where he's at on taking things from federal lands is a lot more lax than murka
>>124887814
They have national parks outside of america?
And it's legal to take shit from them?
>>124887923
Why is burgerpants the best secondary undertale character
No wait I don't want to start an undertale discussion
>>124887978
why would you make that post then you fucking undermeme shitposter?
>>124887978
nailed the core demographic
>>124887483
Here in America, you can get a mining claim on a small area of our MASSIVE swaths of government land stolen from the Indians for as low as $200(depending on claim size) and pay the same amount every year as a maintenance fee to keep your claim active and dig away at it to your heart's content.
>>124888021
Why would you respond then you fucking autistic shitposter?
>>124887474
>military boots
>WAAH STOP METAGAMING
retard
>>124888079
guess that explains why there were people who literally lived at the diamond crater in arkansas
>>124888606
>There are 19 States where you may locate mining claims or sites. These States are: Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.
>New Mexico
Elim can stake a mining claim and get all of the minerals. As long as it isn't already taken, or in a wildlife preserve, national park, or reservation.
>songs you play while greytiding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZrAYxWPN6c
>>124890047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP2u4wJcnS0
>whole round goes fine
>shuttle called
>people trapped in the brig
>better go rescue them!
>murdered for being a good samaritan
The flesh is weak
That end of round music when everything went to shit had me jamming as I shocked doors left and right and killed people.
>be plant botanist
>work together with human botanist
>he inevitably kills himself with weed420kush
>plant the seeds of greentide
>diona population triples before we leave due to singularity
>all dionas escape, lots of dead humans
It's good to be green.
>>124890173
And plant life out preserved both flesh and rust.
That was a chill changeling round
Ai was constantly being destracted. Managed to convince the captain to give me all her shit then proceeded to slowly ensure my victory
Also helped other changeling with his objectives
Wonder why the chef gave up linging, I think he could not bring himself to eat people
>>124890135
You the CE vox?
I was going to eat the Warden but then you showed up
Your ass was grass Chef
And I was gunna wear it
>>124888574
>person wearing an item that is available on the station for any crew (assuming the machines have been hacked or not).
>LOL THEY MUST BE A NUKE OPS.
>>124890265
Yeah, I was trying to bust security out in time for the shuttle but I didn't have the door wire memorized because I was good that round
>>124890334
I always add the wires to my notes so I have them handy. It comes in excellent hand
>>124890334
> Oldman Nelson stepping out into space as the shuttle literally leaves the moment he tries to get in
I was laughing my ass off at him trying to get through the multiple bolted doors and then failing with half a second left to safety.
>>124890135
>whole round quiet, people not dying
>chill holobeach party
>WHEN SUDDENLY
>SINGULOOSE
>ROGUE AI
>SHOCKED DOORS
10/6 it was okay
Goodbye eternal party summer beach, you were the funnest thing of all
What was that last song playing last round anyway. I know it's from Hotline Miami 2 but I forget the actual name of the song.
>>124890905
Run
>>124890047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI91eOD3JFY
Maybe I should turn antag back on.
I haven't felt like greytiding in a long, long, LONG time, but now I do.
>>124890047
What else but this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcRyjkYdDxM
>>124890047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuaW5IzbnUc
>>124890314
>check crew manifest on pda
>not on manifest
wow that was hard
>>124892592
Maybe they're just a new cop and not yet added
>>124890314
But the only ways to obtain them are from said vendor (which has to be hacked).
I wouldn't fault somebody for calling me nukeop when wearing sunglasses, jackboots and turtleneck
>>124892592
I mean, that's a fine and valid jump, it's just jumping to the conclusion over the fact that they're wearing a certain boots or not that irks me.
>>124892901
waaah, how come he's using common sense
fucking metagamers!
>>124893225
Again, they're a legitimately acquirable piece of clothing. How is it common sense to automatically assume that because of that fact they're nuke ops?
>>124893225
More like "this guy is wearing combat boots, he must be a special agent out to kill us all"
>>124893545
if it's not common sense, why was he correct?
check mate roleplay fags
>round is taking a long time
>decide to learn how to hack
>disable all the safeties on the MULE
>cant figure out how to put shit in it
>send it somewhere empty to see what it does
>get bored watching stand in front of it to see how much damage it does
>critted instantly
>someone drags me to medbay, rings the doorbell and leaves
>changeling picks me up then has his way with me and leaves my used goods in a locker
>>124894226
Always hack them for speed. Disable load safeties and ride it into restricted areas (drag your sprite ontop of it).
Really they are somewhat obsolete with mailing, but fun (especially as antagonistic when you order a whole bunch of them)
What is a good profession to learn during low pop? I felt cargo was mostly useless because people rarely ever ordered shit.
>>124894076
Because there's every chance it could have been some assistant who hacked the machine/broke into the sec checkpoint and stole their own boots?
>>124894829
Scientist, engineering or atmos, mechanic and xenobotany. Maybe medbay but you won't have many patients during lowpop.
>>124894923
a simple search would clear any confusion
do your duty and report any suspicious deviations from NT approved uniforms to your local security officer
you might just save the station
>>124894923
He didn't even do anything, probably precisely because it would have been called meatgame.
>>124894829
Any job where having lots of problems demanding your attention on highpop usually restricts you from learning.
>>124894829
Anything that doesn't require people:
>R&D
>Bomb Making
>Telescience
>Virology
>Genetics
>Xenobio
>Xenobot
>Xenoarch
Although if you're currently at a cargo-level of skill, maybe learn chemistry instead. Try to memorize the most basic chemicals for pills. Inaprovaline and Antitoxin are the basis of a ton of common chems.
>Carbon+Oxy+Sugar = Inaprovaline
>Nitrogen+Potassium+Silicon = Antitox
>Inaprov + Carbon = Bicaridine
>Inaprov + Cryptobiolin = Spaceacillin
>Inaprov + Ethanol + Oxygen = Tramadol
>Inaprov + Antitox = Tricordrazine
>Antitox + Radium = Hyronalin
>Antitox + Chlorine + Nitrogen = Alkysine
>Antitox + Carbon + Oxygen = Ethyloxrezine
>Antitox + Carbon + Water = Inacusiate
There are other useful chems too, these are JUST the ones that branch off of those two chemicals.
Question for anyone whos played goon.
Anyone know a user for Something other than qgp and rotting?
I had no idea blob could evoluate so fast.
>late join engineer to learn how to engy
>5 minutes later DA BLOB
>everyone asking me to help kill the blob but I have no clue what im doing
>read on the wiki to get welder tools from engineering vending machines
>fail to hack but a guy walks by and gives me a gun
>go to fight the blob but get instantly dunked
>guy tries to save me but I dc as I see him get overtaken
>log back in and its all ogre
Im so sorry I let you down family
>>124898021
>>124898021
how to fight blob as an engineer:
1. set up the power
2. take as many emitters and containment fields as you can
3. use the emitters to kill the blob and slow its advance with c-fields.
Unless it's too late and it has already claimed a quarter of the station. Then you're screwed.
>>124883520
>>124853426
>Nobody ever asks me for shit when I'm in sci despite pdas having been invented five hundred and 85 years ago
>See people bitching in-thread about how they didn't get stuff
Well fuck you faggots too.
>>124898619
>Unless it's too late and it has already claimed a quarter of the station. Then you're screwed.
Then you release the singularity :^)
>>124898021
You were fucked, there's no way you were going to learn about emitters in time to find a good spot and not get wrecked
Intro to blob
>Heads: Code red immediately
>Sec: Immediately empty the armory and distribute guns
>Engineering: Make sure you have your insulated gloves, load up on cables and grab an emitter, drag near the blob but a safe distance from it. Pull up floor tiles and create wires leading to where you want to put the emitter connected to the rest of the grid. Wrench down emitter. Weld it in place. Turn it on. If you can aim this at a blob core it will almost guarantee the kill, but usually you'll just have to settle for burning a line through a random junk of blob.
>Cargo: Order emitters, electrical maintenance crates, weapons crates, and energy weapon crates. If QM, get spare suits from mining outpost while waiting
>Miners: Get back Uranium as fast as possible for AEGs, speed is key
>Science: Switch borgs to combat module after code red, focus on making AEGs. While waiting on both of these things, pull out oxygen canisters from toxins storage so people can fill their internals (engineering busy with emitters) and grab a suit/magboots from research outpost.
>Botany: Grow Poppy, distribute to people fighting the blob
>Medbay: Focus on dex plus and bicaridine for front-line fighters. Make sure paramedics are standing by with bandages to immediately patch up anyone who gets hit.
Everyone else
>Do not use bombs to fight blob
>Do not try flamethrowers/fires of any kind
>Stay on HELP intent. Any click on blob is always an attack, and HELP will prevent you from pushing people into blob or congesting hallways
>Always stay diagonal from a blob piece
>Do not move toward a place that the blob's attention is focused. Unless you have multiple AEGs, it is going to move toward you faster than you can kill it. Instead, work with other people or chip away at it from another angle while it's distracted by the main attack.
>Poppies heal brute damage
>>124894497
>tfw hop comes though the head meeting office
>Turn off cham proj and stick him
>Feed him 350u of sleep toxin, put on his clothes, then move him into the HoP maint locker through the windoor
>Impersonate the HoP and do tator shit
>One-human antimov the clown
>Giving all access in return for head jumpers
>Riding hacked mules, jumping off, stunning people and dragging them in the way of the mule
>Shooting lasertag guns to shuck suspicion
>tfw everyone is raging at the "HoP" while I use his good name to be a faggot,
>>124898673
I didn't get these notions after one bad round friend. I got them after a year and a half of playing ss13.
Scientists are likely to outright ignore requests for supplies because they're all working on their own shit.
>Nobody ever asks me for shit when I'm in sci despite pdas having been invented five hundred and 85 years ago
I'm usually busy running a whole department. Should I ask the engineers to turn on power too?
Well. Lets just hope no one gets sick today because science is only going to do their job if they're asked politely.
..or we could just rely on mechanics to do their damn job.
>>124898892
>>Engineering: Make sure you have your insulated gloves, load up on cables and grab an emitter, drag near the blob but a safe distance from it. Pull up floor tiles and create wires leading to where you want to put the emitter connected to the rest of the grid. Wrench down emitter. Weld it in place. Turn it on. If you can aim this at a blob core it will almost guarantee the kill, but usually you'll just have to settle for burning a line through a random junk of blob.
JUST as long as someone sets up power.
I've seen horrifying things.
>>124898926
Well excuse me if I get sick of seeing an untouched open locker of med shit in the lobby. If someone expresses interest in getting it, then I don't mind taking a break as soon as I can and getting it for them. But I'm done wasting time on shit that isn't getting used. If you can't take the time to copy paste a supply request to 5 pdas, then get fucked you entitled whiny cunt.
>>124899005
I'd rather just get mechanics to do the job you're unwilling to do.
>>124899056
Well considering it's not my job then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't mind going above and beyond my job description if someone asks but I'm not going to waste my time on shit nobody asked for and only rarely uses.
But hey, you shitpost about how those mechanics don't do all those things for you even when there's no mechanics right? Right? Oh that's right, you don't because you an ignorant fucking twat.
Here is how you kill a blob effortlessly.
>construct a big arrangement of emitters focused into one powerful beam with prisms, like you'd use for feeding supermatter
>place a teleporter beacon in the path of the powerful beam
>set a teleporter to that beacon and take a hand teleporter
>go to the blob and get below/above/to the side of its core in such a way that the beam will hit it
>activate hand tele so the powerful beam comes through
There's nothing the blob can do about it, he can't kill the emitters because they are far away and he can't go through the portal. He just dies. You move away and make new portal if he comes near.
This is a good tactic in general, an 'orbital cannon' you can call down against your enemies. Fun to do as traitor when you get your enemies into maintenance. Or as captain fighting nuke team. If engineers set up strong emitter beam for feeding supermatter place telebeacon in it for this purpose.
>>124899167
Well that didn't take long. We've gone from "I'd always do that" to "It's not my job".
Why would anyone want to depend on research when people who are willing to do their jobs are as snooty as you, and there's an alternative that is dependable?
It's not like I just woke up one day and said nuuu fuck you scientists you're all gay! This is years of scientists being lazy pricks that didn't want anything to do with RnD past getting the research they wanted for their personal projects. Which is fine as long as they sync.
So I can either ask a mechanic to get me the shit I need (and some of them you can actually depend on to do it without being told to do their jobs).. or I can deal with (at best) you. Who thinks they are literally Jesus Christ sent down from above because you're working instead of printing guns and fucking off.
Scientist is just an assistant with a lab coat.
>>124894076
>>124893225
assfag permabanned when?
>>124899348
>Nobody in the slot
>Snooty
:^)
>>124899308
>How to kill a blab
>Make bamb
>Teleport bam
>Boom bam
>Teleport in with your satchel of guns
>pewpewpew
>Can you smel-el-el-lel
>>124899348
Do you blame chemistry because there's no imidazoline in the smartfridge when there's no chemists? No. there's no chemists there to do it. You have nobody to be salty at. Do you curse at doctors and geneticists who don't need it? No. Because you wouldn't expect it cause they're just getting the basics they need for their job before handling all the other shit they want to do. But if you ask, you'll often find one that will. Ya'll fucking sacks of shit with a massive attitude problem and mechanics can't get removed soon enough.
>>124899432
>wow I didn't set up power because you didn't ask
>wow I didn't clone you because you didn't ask
>wow I didn't stop a murderer because you didn't ask
>wow I didn't mine you minerals because you didn't ask
>wow I didn't upgrade your machines and print you trauma kits because you didn't ask
???
>>124899713
>mechanics do their job without needing to be asked
>wow remove when
jealous af someone does your job you weren't going to do
>>124899713
With no chemists i will bitch at other doctors for bad fridge inventory
>>124899759
How can you be so fucking stupid that you don't see that everything you do is what someone dedicated to doing rnd is supposed to do. All it took was an alt-title for people to do upgrades more often and you can't fucking see it. You can't see how you're just a shitty rnd clone. You can't see past your salt cause you didn't get stuff from the no researchers playing that shift and unsurprisingly, when you didn't talk to anyone else, you didn't get any. What a fucking surprise. :^)
Isn't the mechanic a RP job? You wouldn't expect a chemist to know how to construct the machines he uses, and you wouldn't expect the scientists who do bleeding edge research on a research station to go around fixing shit that breaksuntil they have everything researched and nothing to do that is, and the engineers are responsible for power and breaches and shit and need to pass by R&D for the boards anyways.
On a low RP server like /vg/ the mechanic is sort of redundant, but in a hard RP server like bay it'd make sense
>>124900473
On hard RP it was still the engineers job. They were expected to be adults who could handle talking to other human beings. They'd get a pda back when the parts were ready then go make the machine. In our low rp, you either ordered the parts and assembled it yourself or rnd went and made it for you.
bump for shitpostan
>>124900473
I think of RP jobs as jobs that involve entertaining the crew (bartender, mime, clown, librarian, chaplain outside of vamp/cult).
>>124900473
>>124903026
What about IAA? What do they contribute to?
>>124903349
IAA handles special interaction with centcomm, so basically he's the secular chaplain, yeah.
>Good access
>Can call shuttle/ERT via fax if the heads are dead/compromised
>Can sometimes get special items ordered from Centcomm if you're persuasive
Stuff I've seen IAAs order:
>Tank of corn oil
>Destination taggers
>Go-karts
etc
>>124903026
>Not making the chaplain sec and beating every criminal in the head until they confess
>Innocents naturally reach hundreds of brain damage
>Even after release, they're harmless now
>>124883773
actually that was just troy
>>124903487
Can you talk to the IAA from centcomm z-level through some way?
I wanna make the most of exploiting into centcomm
>>124900473
>until they have everything researched and nothing to do that is
This is just an excuse for shitty scientists. Once I max research, I go on a fucking upgrading spree upgrading everything I find, which is made incredibly easy with the rapid part exchanger. Screwdriver click screwdriver, move on to the next machine.
>>124903487
Secular chaplain is a good way to describe them.
>>124905935
Secular equivalents of cult and vampires for IAAs to be useful for fighting when?
>>124907638
shitcurity and condoms.
>>124899308
I just go right at the blob with my mech, works ebery tiem
That was actually a pretty relaxing round. Not what I was expecting when the other heads promoted me to captain.
Can someone explain the space magic behind autolathes shitting out full industrial welders?
>>124908741
>explaining space magic
come on now nigga
>>124908741
How about shitting out intricate electronic devices capable of replicating any known mineral with just metal and glass?
But yea, fuel is just too much!11
>>124908741
How about devices with infinite paint? Or perhaps infinite pipes?I'm still salty that regular welders lost fuel.
>>124909081
>>124908983
Could we at least explain it in some silly way like
"IT UTILIZES BLUE SPACE TO STEAL MATERIALS FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE. THAT PIPE YOU JUST MADE? COULD'VE BEEN PART OF SOME SPACE ALIEN'S PLUMBING."
>>124908741
Oh oh oh, how about making gunpowder ammunition? Is that ok?
>>124908741
How about shitting out a device that makes motherfucking piece of cardboard or paper for the same low low METAL AND GLASS cost of an entire new airlock or a bar of phazon?
>>124908741
HOW ABOUT A DEVICE THAT SHITS OUT OTHER DEVICES THAT SHITS OUT OTHER DEVICES THAT SHITS OUT OTHER DEVICES AD INFINITUM
How about machines that literally generate nutrition out of electricity?
>>124909525
How about you eat shit
>>124908741
why do all vending machines come with pre loaded items that are only vendable when you manipulate the wires?
why do pipe networks work without pumping mechanisms?
who designs handcuffs so bad even the janitor knows how to escape out of them?
why is the entire premise of the game plasma being the new oil and yet nobody spends time researching it and optimizing its applications?
and that is just off the top of my head. Don't get me started on medicine or chemistry.
>>124898892
>Miners: Get back Uranium as fast as possible for AEGs, speed is key
>Science: Switch borgs to combat module after code red, focus on making AEGs. While waiting on both of these things, pull out oxygen canisters from toxins storage so people can fill their internals (engineering busy with emitters) and grab a suit/magboots from research outpost.
Also, grab the solid plasma from the research outpost and some of the gold from the vault for plasma cutters if you can't find any on the roid. Your AEGs will still need time to self-charge, and while they're dry you'll need a better backup weapon than a welding tool.
And unlike welding tools, plasma cutters don't require refuelling, cut through walls and reinforced walls quickly, and won't ignite plasma in the air if that becomes an issue.
>>124899509
Bombs don't do dick to blobs anymore. IEDs, yes. Bombs, no.
>>124900007
>thinking alt titles are worth jack shit
What are we, Bay? Nobody pays attention to alt titles, they're worthless.
>>124899509
>find core
>teleport super matter crystal to telescience
>teleport super matter crystal to blob core
>???
>>124910436
>not having one of the scientists do xenoarch focusing on getting xray guns
They wreck blobs, and are fairly common.
>>124910639
>they're worthless
Tcomms tech gives comms/turret access. So not entirely useless.
Why does Tcomms even have turrets
You can just.. walk by them
>>124908458
>wake up
>shitposting in the thread between mechanics and scientists
>i'll play some spess
>can't decide between mechanic, miner, and xenoarch
>pick miner but not enough people in research to keep up with my output
>get xenoarch access from you
>take extra time to carefully excavate dig sites instead of just going in willy fucking nilly like usual
>second dig site had a hover pod
>this is the sound of my heart breaking
>challenge myself to drive this fucker all the way to robotics
>it has the slowest move speed in the game
>its slower than a diona
>finally get it to robotics after 5 minutes
>sleep on my backpack at the holodeck with you
>>124905657
Congratulations, you're an exception to the rule with too much time on your hands. Meanwhile, all the other scientists are doing the other shit Science offers.
Alt titles and the mechanic position do nothing to change a key fact of RND: its boring, repetitive, and little more than checking off boxes on a list. If you want people to do research, you must make it fun in and of itself in the same way that (for example) Toxins is fun, and also make its products more useful to the scientists themselves.
So. How do we make RnD fun? We could try scrapping the DA and require actual experimentation with different items to research them. It's research after all, so there ought to be some way to tinker with different items to make new ones.
>>124910947
Its basically to make noise while someone is inside.they can also break the monitors
>>124898892
>>Miners: Get back Uranium as fast as possible for AEGs, speed is key
>>124910436
>>124910776
yall niggas know the shuttles don't move during blob right
I feel like someones going to get cute and say telesci but telesci is rarely on point.
>>124911021
I'm all for scrapping the DA flowchart bullshit in favor of something.. else.
>>124910776
Problem is that you first need a war site available and then dig the gun up in time. And then hope it's not one of the ones that doesn't recharge.
>>124909525
All engines but the PAC/superpac/Mrspacman removed when?
>>124910550
It clears blob walls out of the way so you waste less shots on useless shit. Also harder for it to wall rush you since it needs multiple tries to make it.
>>124910642
It doesn't move so it wont touch it and blob cores aren't affected by explosions
>>124910776
Like the other guy said, quarantine a shit.
>>124910947
To make a murder trap
>>124911021
Only when you have an explosive collar put on your neck irl and are forced to do said research yourself any time serb is below 30 players or it kills you for making us have to deal with that shit in lowpop.
>>124910642
In fact, if you vent the room, it shouldn't get much energy and will instead kill anyone who can see you with rads and hallucinations.
>>124911324
>do rnd so other jobs get easier waaaah
nothing rnd produces is anything other than a quality of life asset. even medical burn packs and trauma kits are not essential.
Tinkering with weapons and components to improve fire rate, damage, material efficiency, build time. seems like a neat idea.
>>124911112
As am I.
Most of the other major servers that I know of (Bay, Goon, TG, d20, and Paradise) all seem to have this same system though, so we'll either need to find one that doesn't and see how their system works or got through the complex process of making a new one from scratch.
>>124911753
I can confirm that Bay has the same system, just a different flowchart. Weird how their mining is different but research is still same fucking shit.
>>124911229
>>124911570
Teleporting a supermatter crystal worked before. The core just popped in a sea of green.
>>124911794
>their mining is different
How?
>>124911806
Oh neat as heck. Thanks man
>>124911836
Alloys. Steel needs iron (hematite) and coal (raw carbon) for example.
>>124911836
Lot less ore on the roid, no monsters, different ores.
>>124911753
What about that token system somebody mentioned?
Do your job, get tokens, redeem tokens at a vendor to get advanced tools you'd normally get from the Protolathe.
>>124911936
Sounds nice, would require a MASSIVE rewrite and >idea guys coding anything
>>124883520
>>124911936
I can see it now
>Everyone upset at R&D because they keep spending their tokens on cool shit they can use and not new drills for mining etc
>>124912398
And it would be impractical if you needed an item from it quickly but the part of the station where you would do the job required for the tokens was destroyed or inaccessible. Plus, that would work better as part of a job objective system in general- why should science alone get cool shit for completing those objectives? Having everyone on a similar system would make all departments more motivated to do their work.
What RnD needs is something as engaging and interactive (relatively speaking) as the other science departments, but not so complex that it won't be able to make stuff like advanced trauma kits until nearly an hour into the round.
>>124912582
That also wouldn't really work in the long run.
>Most departments now get cool shit, except for Security because the only way the game can score their performance is through antag kills, minor kills like carp and major kills like changelings blah blah, but for everything else they do you need a human to determine if they did a good job or not and if they deserve to receive tokens.
>>124912398
>We hoard the tokens in the RD's locker
>ALL the tokens
>Crew begin to raid us
>We're bucking corpses into chairs to block laser fire
>Eventually they breach us
>Our last man threatens to push the button
>They shoot him
>Science is vaporized
But at least they didn't git their damn dirty hands on our tokens.
>>124912398
>>124912582
I'm thinking more of a vending machine type deal where you put your tokens earned through job objectives and get an item to enhance your job experience.
Medical vendor would have surgical tools and advanced kits/beakers, sec would get AEGs and assault rifles, mining vendor has ddrills, etc.
Do your job, get tokens for completing job objectives, get cool shit related to your job.
>>124912848
And how would the game evaluate Sec? Like I said >>124912835 here, the only way their performance can be judged by the game is through antag kills. Everything else is context and needs a human to determine if they did good.
>>124911836
They have several ore types that you have to properly smelt together to get the resulting material instead of just shoving it into the smelter and it shitting out everything.
They also have a large mining drill you set up, using a mining device you can find which parts of the asteroid have good bits in it, then you wrench it on the floor and it drills.
You go and collect it every now and then, and change its battery.
Dunno if someone else already posted it but I think there are still some keks to be had
Some nigger posted actual CP on the Lifeweb forums because he thought that was the kind of community the game had and Randy either turned the servers over to Interpol or said "alright fuck this" and left. For some odd reason the game servers are still up, or were from the last I heard. I'm not going to try connecting in case the gubberment is monitoring activity and looking for asses to kick. I really don't need a baton up the ass, hemorrhoids and such.
>>124913115
I actually kind of like this but not the smelting part, I don't want to play fucking Dwarf Fortress I'm in spess.
>>124912949
maybe by the amount of people arrested or something like that?
but that would be easy for sec to abuse by arresting each other or the same person over and over unless they had something like a minute long cooldown before it could count another person or some shit like that
>>124912949
>no bwoinks
>doing a good job so far sec, here, have some tokens
>>124913259
That's a shitty system because it simply wouldn't do anything without admins.
>>124913160
Well when you can rape just about anything in game it's not too hard to imagine it'd draw the wrong crowd.
Shame about the CP, but if randy fucked off maybe we can finally make use of his code.
>>124913115
>You go and collect it every now and then, and change its battery.
Since there aren't any monsters to fight or anything, what are you supposed to do in the meantime?
>>124913315
Maybe Admins hand out the tokens personally.Good Boy Tokens
>>124913406
I don't think BYOND sends code to the player anymore.
You would need someone to sneak into his Vodka Shack while he's in jail to get the code proper.
Unless you mean people playing the game a lot to guess how the code works.
>>124913469
Nope. Gives admins more shit to do and the system wouldn't work in general, not for any department.
How do you hand the tokens to? The entire department? Because let's say one guy wires 55% of a solar and the other guy does 45%, who gets the tokens? Do you get tokens just from placing fucking coils near the solar? Etc etc.
This problem will occur within every single department and would just swamp admins because they suddenly have to be omni-scient/omni-present.
>>124913464
That's pretty much it. Set the drill down, go mine something else, I think they might have hidden rooms like we do?
They probably ARRPEE in the meantime, that's pretty much their server, isn't it?
>>124913464
Push down the other miner and rape him into quivering jelly on the airless asteroid.
>>124913545
Figured he stashed it on a repo somewhere, though if he's in the gulag it'd be tough to figure out how to get ahold of it.
Is lifeweb up at least? I managed to play it all of one time, looked fun.
>>124913464
Race the other miner for the hardsuit
Fight to the death in mining outpost storage for the hardsuit
Stuff guy's corpse somewhere on the asteroid
>>124913406
I only started playing in July and the quality of the community was taking a dive but it was massively better before this shit happened. If what people who played when it got an English release are to be believed the community policed itself and fucked shitters up, forcing them out.
Then, much like here, the people who got the boot developed god complexes and acted like retards on the forums, which attracted real retards. One of the last rounds I played I walked in on two cerbs fucking a squire boy, one of them being his father, and the guy playing the squire said something to the effect of this "being his initiation" in LOOC.
>>124912582
Oh, anyway, I think I have an idea that we might be able to work with. I found this feature on the TGstation wiki, and with a bit of tweaking it might be capable of taking the place of the current research system.
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/E.X.P.E.R.I-MENTOR
Not only could it be used for "conventional" research with a tech tree, but it would encourage further tinkering by adding the possibility of creating unique items as a byproduct of the experimentation process. Plus, the randomness factor of it will ensure RnD can't be reduced to a checklist.
>>124913750
Don't bother, it isn't worth it. The community has turned into deathmatching faggots that will kill you for not being in their "meta clan" and spam LOOC taunting you rather than attempt to RP, which is what the game was fucking for initially.
>>124913867
Again this shouldn't be a science only thing because scientists just end up getting cool shit for themselves or hoarding the stuff they get, never telling the other departments they ever got it.
>>124913772
I remember everyone being trapped at the train station, door to the castle had no power. Things slowly descended into madness, people hurling themselves into the track, started worshiping the train.
Near the end of it we had to fight off a vampire by hand and toss it into the oncoming train car, got intense fast.
>>124913917
>With the loss of their leader the server has turned into a tribal wasteland
Spooky
>>124914029
>Wants the benefits of the hard labor of another
vgstation is dying.
>>124914029
>Miner: "D-Did you guys find anything cool for mining yet?"
>Scientist testing a diamond drill of holding that sucks up ore that it reveals on a reinforced glass window: "Sorry, couldn't hear you over the sound of doing science. No, nothing for mining just yet."
Tinystation when?
>>124914285
>diamond drill of holding
FUND IT
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>>124914302
MICROstation when? >Each department is a 2 by 3 block
Or how about SEPARATEDstation? Each department is its own small space station
>>124914618
Atmosia has declared war on Custodia!
>>124914285
>spend time making something
>miner comes up
>GIMME GIMME GIMME
stop being leeches, once something is tinkered mechanics can make it.
>>124914867
>once something is tinkered mechanics can make it
No it won't, you science fucks are just going to hide your toys.
>>124914029
Technically, one could do the same thing with the current system- that's more of a player issue than anything else.
Plus, the device itself has a low chance of malfunctioning, which tends to do very bad things to anyone nearby. For example, instead of upgrading an item it might release a pulse of radiation. Or start a fire. Or upgrade the item by sucking the life force out of everyone nearby to do so. Or teleporting Ian to itself for no apparent reason.
It wouldn't be !!SCIENCE!! without taking a few risks, right?
>>124913867
Porting is for the weak
>>124914285
Basically this
Scientists will be too busy flying through space using their Portable Atmos Bubble that projects a warm atmospheric bubble around the wearer so they can be in space but not be exposed to vacuum then phasing through walls with their Portable Phase Shifter.
>>124915150
Assuming they could even get lucky enough to make those. Bear in mind that you don't get to choose the exact results of how the item gets upgraded, and the code for the thing suggests making something that over-the-top may not even be possible.
Here's the code for it for anyone who understands it. If someone can break down exactly what it can do, that would be nice.
https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/blob/master/code/modules/research/experimentor.dm
>>124915439
We're not going to port shit. That system sucks balls anyway.
>>124915524
I was suggesting using it as a template, or at least as a potential alternative to current RnD.
If you have any better ideas, go ahead and post them. Just about anything would be an improvement to the current RnD system at this point.
Just a reminder, the science departments job is research. Every other departments job is maintaining the station for the science team.
>>124916004
Exactly this, i'm not even sure why the other departments are needed.
It's like a vault. The only people who truly matter are the science team, but the other departments gets antsy and end up ruining fucking EVERYTHING and hating on the scientists for DOING THEIR JOBS.
End scientist shaming.
>>124916004
>>124916208
My little Scientist-kun couldn't be this delusional right?
>>124916268
They're the department that gets all the cool toys and sits in research shooting open locked weapon cases.
They are this delusional.
>>124916425
Scientists are hilarious to observe though.
>Scientist invents some kind of gun
>Wants to test it at the firing range
>HoS agrees, lets him into the firing range
>With one blast he shoots a whole straight through the firing range causing him to get sucked into space
>The one thing he managed to mumble was "W-W-WORTH IT"
>SS13
>Utilizing Moonbase Alpha's voice chat
>Scientists get to play with their research toys
>everyone else is jelly
Should have chosen to a scientist. Its literally a research station. Why the fuck would to toss useful shit to every no-body who comes knocking? So they can play cowboys in the halls or on the roid?
>>124916732
>not having text2speech software installed and hearing spess with everyone's text narrated by Microsoft Sam
>>124916732
Everyone sounds like Stephen Hawking right? That shit was priceless. HOLLER HOLLER GET $. BRBRBRBRBRBR.
In SS13 it would be even more priceless. "I DIN DU NUFFIN, I DIN DU NUFFIN" "ADMIN HELP IM BEING GRIFF"
>>124916732
>>124916865
There was some server that did this, can't remember which.
>>124916936
So it can be done
THIS MUST BECOME A FEATURE, but give it a toggle obviously
are we done pretending the protolathe has anything except assault rifles, advanced eguns, bags of holding, NVGs, ablative, hookshot, and diamond mining drills
>>124916865
Wouldn't it get annoying to hear [Common], [Engineering] etc constantly?
>>124917040
You forgot rapid exchange device.
>>124917040
are you done powergaming?
If so, yes.
>>124917090
who gives a shit about other departments? that's the mechanic's job
>>124917140
>Not even upgrading the machines in R&D itself
>Waiting on a mechanic
kek
>>124916859
Big talk for the Miner's bitch.
>>124917527
Yeah because posting some silly image is much better right? :^) Stepped on your toes didn't I?
>>124916618
>>124916425
wait what?
Did the science system change since i've been banned? Can you make RNG and research based experimental tech shit now?
>>124917793
No
Guy 1 was talking about science on Bay
>>124916936
New Eden did.
Had pitches and 'accents' too, it sounded terrible but it was funny to listen to, got obnoxious after a while though.
>>124917591
>responding to shitposting with shitposting
Well he was a bit right, you are faggot.
inb4 y-you too!
>At science, asking for some stuff
>Captain arrives
>His named Blood Darkshadow
>Throws a teleporter beacon into RnD behind the scientist at the counter
>/me teleports behind you
>Teleports behind the scientist with a hand tele
10/10 captain
Sorry Angel.
>>124918950
Y-You too!
>>124918990
Thanks lad.
>>124913545
byond never sends the code to the client, only art and sound assets along with whatever you may need for browser based things
>>124917523
>Not mining and smelting yourself
Do you even lowpop?
>Be Roboticist
>There is the edge captain and I think I saw a justice owl
>I'am getting bored, it's time to step up my gimmick game
>PRAISE THE MACHINE GODS
>Later a brain of a terrorist arrives and gets into an edge contest with the Captain
>the Captain wins, and leaves
>I want to borg it but I am having fun spouting nonsense about THE MACHINE GODS
>He dosent believe me and start mocking my religion
>I say I will not borg him until he says "Praise THE MACHINE GODS"
>He mocks me more and I try praying to show him the truth
>nothing
>I try to sacrifice him but the saw is not doing the trick
>It escalates to me trying to kill him in a mech
>and still failing
>I need to go afk soon
>I take his brain out and start throwing it around the room in a fit of rage, until the captain came and took the brain
>after hearing the last insult I suicided in my office
>8/10 would suicide again
Nobody's actually going to be able to come up with a replacement for the RnD system that everyone can agree on using, are they?
>>124921060
Was a shame you had to leave, we ended up bringing a bunch of combat drone boards to robotics just a little afterwards. He insisted his banter had bested you.
>>124894076
( I always read everything )
The thing is he wasn't right. I /was/ just an assistant.
Now I'm kind of thankful he didn't act on it!
( Aside from the bickering I'm seeing it, I thought it was fun. Of course there'd be misidentifications during stress! )
>>124921590
well, no one will code it.
Reading some stuff, plus the blob rounds happening has got me wondering. Would temp guns get to heat work on it like normal eguns? Or for that matter can temp guns heat things or do they only cool?
I'm curious to see how long it'll be before Assdad gets banned. He fits every criterium for it, none of the players like or support him, he's almost precisely just TermedClepe 2.0.
>>124922628
That's because he is termed ban evading for the third time now
>>124921590
What's wrong with the RnD system?
>>124923270
A retarded 6 year old can do it
241st for IPCs never
>>124923445
Pomf did say no.
Which is interesting because he let skelememes in and birdshits.
At least he removed the skeletons.
>>124923270
It's boring.
>>124923539
Every time I see "___ is boring" it's talking about a system that no one who actually plays on the server wants to see changed.
If a poll was started to see if anyone wanted xenoarch/rnd/xenobio/virology changed, the votes would heavily favor no change.
>>124924087
Are you retarded? That is literally the reason. You can max research levels BLIND it's that fucking easy. 3x mech syringe gun, atmospheric analyzer, 2x high capacity power cell etc
>>124924087
>if anyone wanted xenoarch
Yeah all of 3 people that play it.
>>124924628
There's a lot more than 3 of us that play it you pessimistic faggot.
>>124924087
I think most people would agree that some systems like genetics and virology are extremely reliant on Rng and turn into a waiting game more than anything. While other systems like RnD are completely outside of any kind of randomness and just turn boring as a result of always being the same thing.
The ideal system seems to be a way to always have results of some kind, but for those results to be random. So no more waiting for 10 minutes for you virus to mutate, or injecting the same SE 5 times in a row because hulk has a 5% to proc.
>>124924805
http://strawpoll.me/6229196
Lets see how many people anonymously say they do
>>124905204
Not just me, other were talking like that as well.
>>124924805
Shut up Jakob, go play with your waifumachines somewhere else.
>>124924957
>Jakob
>calling anyone a faggot
he's pure
>>124922628
I didn't have any problem with him until I saw him put the nuke disk inside a box with 5 mousetrap polyacid grenades.
And the very next round upload waifu laws to the AI.
>>124924987
Fuck off Jakob, you fag
>>124925027
He barely escaped a permaban once, and even that seemed to be more on a technicality than anything else. I'm sure the next time he goes too far he won't be so lucky.
