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>READ THE FAQ BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v_nlKX3uS7cBXlWI45HSZJHqNQ6hyeqSOg-W9wAP9T0/edit
>ToS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd
This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links.
>iCBT2 Details
- Server: Gabija
- FAQ for CBT2: https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/faqs-on-the-2nd-cbt/62971/
- EXP Rates, Drop Rates, and Client Version will all be based on the kCBT3 Client.
- Check your ping with the servers: http://cloudharmony.com/speedtest-latency-for-aws:ec2-us-east-1
>What is Tree of Savior?
Tree of Savior is a new action MMORPG with a lot of classes and cute hats. IMC Games have shown an interest in an international release, and has begun testing the game in various other languages, including English and Japanese, even whilst the Korean version is still in testing. The game is currently in the beta phase, and not fully released.
>What's changed since iCBT1?
Changes to Class Advancement and Skills: http://pastebin.com/gTbzuuV5
>iCBT2 Sign-Up (Closed): https://treeofsavior.com/
- If you were able to access iCBT1, you will automatically have access to iCBT2.
- All keys should have been distributed by now.
- If you did not get a key, fansites may be giving out extra keys.
>Current Beta Tests
kCBT3 (Extended) - On-going, no end date announced.
iCBT2 - October 27, 2015, 03:00 AM (EDT) ~ Thursday, November 25, 2015, 23:00 PM (EST)
>Official Translation Project - https://github.com/Treeofsavior/EnglishTranslation
Tree of Savior is somewhat unique in that the games translation is heavily supplemented by fan contributions provided at IMC's offical Github. Is this genius or laziness? It's both!
>Field Boss/F.O.E Timers
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xFW1ARQn3kmTiJqpojCmoXiHcJsBK0J85IXiToHicuc/edit#gid=0
first for ded game
noisy mineloader never
>>122574745
First for archers are shit
Everytime when i fight Ghesti in Chapel i get crash when she starts bullet shit.
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>>122574745
Who's that semen demon
>>122574907
You. You're the semen demon.
>>122574994
But I'm a 1.83m tall lad
>>122574901
I had the same problem with all bosses shooting bullets. Try to run as far away as you can when she starts that touhou attack, that helped me at least
To the guy who's asking for mineloader in zemnya.
Come now.
>>122575134
>touhou attack
What do you guys mean by that?
Is it better to put the first point as a new sorc into Salami ? I'm seeing a lot of fresh (127) sorcs staying afk with it summoned @ starving demon
So only Monks can solo-grind Demon Prison after they hit 160 right?
>>122575219
WHERE
>>122575346
4F, sorry. Near entrance.
Can Priests dual wield?
As in like, Mace mainhand Arde offhand for stupid high Blessing damage?
>>122575293
The bullet thingies!
>>122575335
I was doing it since like 150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjtq5in7zGw
though i highly doubt monk is the only class that can do it solo. any class with some HP potions will do it fine.
Can sorcerers can summon the mineloder and use the bullet hell spell to crash people?
>>122575090
cute
Wizard classes being forced to use a magic projectile attack regardless of the weapon they equip is fucking bullshit, especially since it seems that it's affected by ping.
>>122575520
I can sologrind there as a Krivis/Bokor just fine. It's just that people will most likely KS/invade the room because you're soloing. Not to mention party invites that delegate you as a healer to their party.
>>122575726
Why
>>122575726
Mineloader I believe is counted as a mutant type. So no.
Is the 130 DG shitty as it seems?
its not even remotly like the 90 DG, xp-wise
what about the drops
Zemnya Noisy Mineloader killed at 12:26PM, 4F.
>>122575870
I'll get him next time, thank you for your good work
>Mario respawns every 4 hours
>Pony respawns twice every 2 hours
Why is this allowed.
Apparently the FoE tracker has too many viewers and has switched to read only mode. That makes it considerably less useful.
>>122575074
It's okay, semen demon
so is an extra -14 damage worth 20 second longer uptime on guardian for a pelt-barb3?
On one hand, theres no reason to not just keep recasting level 1, on the other hand, -14 damage is basically nothing when you hit for thousands.
I am incredibly troubled by this insignificant problem
Guise how do I keep my Squire pole buffing shop open when logging off
Anyone here wants to go to lvl 90 dungeon on gabija?
>>122576186
Guardian's fucking garbage and you shouldn't even skill it to be quite honest.
what's the max lvl for the 130 dungeon before group xp gets killed?
Anyone wanna give a poor sorc a templeshooter card on garbija?
Any archers over 120 or so still think it was a good idea to take one or more ranks of Ranger?
I'm having a really hard time believing anything but Archer3 scales properly into later.
>>122576287
>>122576186
get the evasion attribute for it and just put 1 point in guardian
>>122576108
That's indeed a problem, and reddit invading doesn't help.
I have few ideas how to solve this.
>kindly ask people to only use edit view if they want to update timers or post memes, and use htmlview otherwise
>make a simple website which does this
>migrate to some other excel knockoff without such limit
>>122576428
One more
>create a form which might allow to submit times without editing (assuming the page still refreshes every minute in htmlview)
>>122575816
Do you have anyone >20 levels above you in the group?
That kills the exp
Are you between 130 and 135?
If so you are right at the worst part of an exp hump, right before a reset, that's why
>>122576393
>Archer3 scales properly
This meme. The only thing in Archer that's somewhat useful later is the skill that skewers enemies.
>>122576620
I don't understand why people go in with someone 20+ levels over the mobs. I got invited to a group with a 150 in. I did not take that invite.
>>122576686
it doesn't matter what their level is over the mobs
it's a 20 level difference between party members
Just to be sure, Magnum Opus is supposed to be usable only by alchemists, right?
Are there actually any realboyshere?
>>122576639
> multishot levels
> not useful
L O L
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>>122576827
Anon stop, you're making all my hard work to become alchemist feel worthless
>>122576639
The ONLY reason to get Archer3 is for Multishot levels
Stay quiet if you don't know shit about the matter at hand for fuck's sake
necroventer is up
>>122576639
But fulldraw is pretty shit. I think you're underestimating how strong against single targets 16(190 + str + weapon) can be. Fulldraw at most does 250? And SOMETIMES links enemies together? Sure, you can grab the def reduction attribute but you're debuffing two enemies then going on cooldown.
>>122576865I have a boyfriend sorry.
>>122576978
>implying multishot is that good
>>122577062
Full Draw level 7. That's all I'm going to say about it.
>>122574860
/thread
>>122577146
194 damage, two shot overheat, 12 second skewer duration.
I don't get it.
>>122577023
Play Archer more.
>>122577062
The def reduction of full draw only offsets the fact that damage is split between skewered targets before defense is applied. Hell, linkers can link their party together as a defensive ability, and it's called an offensive ability when archers do it? It's not a very good one.
>>122576620
oyy thanks SEMPAI
>>122577146
Heavy Shot level 6. Need I say more?
>>122576910
You do realize that def subtracts from each hit individually, right?
>>122577394
In the same way, doesn't blessing etc get applied to every hit?
>>122577380
>Complaining about only having 26 likes.
>When I only have 18.
>>122577478
>>122577394
And so does memedagger/memegun/etc.
That doesn't make it bad. 16 hits twice on a 17 second cooldown will literally never, ever be bad. Nothing scales into lategame like multishot.
>>122576393
the Ranger way is C1 and C3, never go C2 Ranger.
The only reason to get C1 Ranger is Barrage for ease of leveling (its like instant cast level 5 multishot *2) and Steady Aim with will add flat damage. I never use High Anchor (useless) and Critical Shot (SP issue and oblique is way better because it hits 2 targets).
The real question is, what is your R6 choice?
>>122577146
>>122577393
for non-archersquick tap will instant cast level 1 of the skills, excellent in pvp and tight situation
>>122577542
>32 likes andno kissu
Why live
>>122577642
First of all, thank you for an actually educated opinion. Out of curiousity, what level are you?
I'm crossed between rogue and schwarze reiter, but if I keep hearing negative shit about the latter it'll be rogue for sure. I like PVP a lot but I don't wanna be useless in parties.
OK I'm CryoPsycho, how do I mess with the botters? And what combos do I have?
>>122577843
>only 18 likesbut got them all through kissu sessions
CHIJO SAIKYOU NO KEN
>>122576256
Change character
>>122576865
I'm taken.
>>122578045
Show your total crit attack.
Did the patch break or fix anything? I haven't got on yet.
The king of Klaipeda (or whoever rules this shit) has now decreed a ban on kissing. Kissers are to be slammed with psychokinesis on sight.
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>>122578014
>TFW 18 likes butonly kissed 1 person
How I into hair.
>>122578171
My diev statues are pretty much 100% working now
Owl bug is still there but it's not a bad one
>>122578235
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN!
>>122576865
Depends on the reason for the question
>>122578281
How?
>tfw no likes
Does anyone know Sorc's boss cards' tierlists other than Temple Shooter?
I heard it was TS> Necroventer> Throneweaver?
>>122578564
>tfw 10 likes, 0 kisses and only two familiars
>enter a party for dugeoning
>this nigga is spamming the party's name on the party chat
I love brs
gabija cancer 01:02 pm
archon 01:07 pm
>>122578476
>62 SPR
>>122578615
Templeshooter > Cyclops = Chapparition > Necroventer > Throneweaver = Unknocker = Shadowgaler
>>122578524
Only you can see the hair change, the server rejects it.
>>122578807
Actually, put Spectre Monarch with Necro
>>122578281
Thanks for that, I've been looking for a black twintails pic for quite a while. Now I don't know if I should choose that puffy curly hair or twintails... What do you guys think?
>>122578778
i know. gonna restat soon. SPR was pretty nice before i got alchem pots
>>122578834
It doesn't. It only rejects colors which you haven't unlocked.
>>122577981
Respond
>>122578281
Are there any unique hairstyles available there?
>suddenly 4 viewers
What the fuck happened.
>>122579027
How do you even get Alchemist Potions/Pills? "Condensed" and "Stamina" have no results and "Potion" just gives that infuriating "too many results hurrr" message.
Do you just have to scream at Shout for an Alchemist and buy it directly from him?
>>122579042
So you can change hair 'styles'?
>>122579042
>was trying only with blue
Well I'm retarded, I didn't think of that possibility.
Did you beat me to the punch getting Alchemy to work too?
>>122579221
Search "hp pot" or "sp pot"
>>122579221
Concentrated HP or SP
I just loaded up the game after the update and I'm only getting ~20fps. Is there a reason for this? It's horrible, how do I fix it?
Why are you not building your harem yet, tosg?
>Cryokino combo closes the fucking game now
Guys. Help I think there was a mistake.
>>122579285
>Alchemy
I mean puzzlecraft
>>122579379
It's time to end this CBT.
>>122579310
>>122579320
Oooooh that explains everything, thanks. I guess no one is making the pills yet, then.
>>122579425
I tried to make a Big HP Potion. It worked.
>>122579235
I guess they'll enable this feature at the release.
>>122579589
I didn't try tincturing yet, only magnum opus.
>>122579382
>mfw everyone has more like than me
I been stuck in the single digits since beta started
>>122579382
Whats the problem?
Anyone 150+ on Zemyna wants to help me out? I got inside the dungeon and realized I put my potions in storage instead of taking out my stored ones instead, and if I leave the instance will be destroyed.
I need someone to pick up like, 100 potions and deliver them to me inside the 175 dungeon. Has to be someone under level 175 because you'll lose one daily entrance to this dungeon.
I'll pay for the trouble, too.
>>122579807
>chose the server no one other than derrit is on
>beg in our threads for people to play with
Fuck off already back to reddit you faggot
>>122579741
>likefags
who memeshooter hereIs there any reason to play this class outside PVP at all
Who's posting Karin in the spreadsheet?
Show yourself.
>>122579942
I posted that shes a shit because shes a shit.
Does anyone knows if the Archer attribute "Swift Step: Critical" works with Sapper traps?
How does one get ore like Titanium? Can alchemists smelt it from Titanium Ore?
I need it for science.
>>122580098
they recently changed it to missile only
so no
>>122578476
>Fire 229
>Ice 14
>Poison 45
>Dark 42
>>122579940
its costume is the only reason I took a circle in it
>>122580208
Oh no, I'm even more underpowered now?
Thanks anon.
is this forreals? can you get 107 int on this?
http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/141136/
>>122580208
>>122580287
Using swiftstep changes your status window crit rate though. Shouldn't that mean it applies to all actions?
>>122578807
>>122578954
thanks senpai
>>122580319
Why do you think Shout has people screaming they want to buy it 24/7?
>>122579940
It's cute.
I don't need any other reason and neither should you.
>>122580450
Maybe?
I can't actually remember where I read that change so maybe I'm wrong.
>>122580493
I play aboy.
>>122580098
Can sapper traps even crit?
>>122580098
Why are lolis so attractive
>>122580319
>>122580486
yes, but someone said that weapon doesn't exist in our version or something
>>122580605
yes
>>122580082
I'll cut you.
Okay I've written explanation of current issue with our spreadsheet.
Check Sheet37.
>>122579942
That's me of course, the mastermind.
>>122580891
Just try it.
Karen a shit
>>122581009
>dubfags
>>122581009
Who the fuck is Karen.
>>122581195
This a shit is karen
Dungeon level 130 sucks, why i'm such shitter holy shit
>that feel when all I want to do is be a thief without using crossbows.
>>122580936
Just make a google form that ties into it, done. Supposedly it's not that complicated.
What does locking items do?
>>122581425
Yeah I tried but can't get my head around it.
I believe there is a method to do it, but it's beyond me. I'll try asking google support for help.
What kind of drops can I get grinding Chapel Dungeon?
>people asking for muh tanker and dps on dungeons
>Just did the lvl 90 dungeon with a team of two sappers, a shitty healer, a hunter and a pyromancer
kek
>>122581845
T A L T
>>122579379
cryokino here, nothing hapenned. i've even fight the storage boss and no one crashed.
>>122582049
Guess it's just me.
>>122582272
Thats because of bullets she is shooting, not your skills
>>122580624
they have more reproductive cycles left in them and so are a wiser investment
>>122582272
IIRC Gesti has the bullet hell spell... so...
>>122582420
So I have to kill her before she shoots her bullets
>>122582045
is that it?
Where is the best location to go from 194-200
>>122582460
>>122582486
Is 2hu time crashing people after the patch?
wizard here guys. level 120. when should i start to care for physical damage reduction and start wearing plate armor?
>>122582486
see if you can set your ice shooty thing on and then click the close button before she does the bullet, check back after a minute
>>122582626
Yes, pretty consistently.
I just figured out that transforming into a cockatrice and using its fire breath will crash everyone around you. Have fun, fellow Druids!
If you kick someone from party inside instance, is that person instantly ejected from the map?
>tfw 5 levels from 200 but can't be bothered to do play anymore
>>122582803
What better way to clear out channel 1 and botters.
>>122582803
i need to see before/after pls
>>122582803
gud job fuck those fags
>>122583015
I'll try to record it later. It's really funny.
>>122582803
>Cockatrice fire breaths are even more dangerous now
FUCK YOU IMC
if this is similar case to 2hu, maybe it's caused by discrepancies between patch files and in-game files. Which could mean, fire breath was nerfed?
>>122580936
I like you.
>>122582803
Better crash those botters too and ruin their day
>>122578235
God bless Fedimian
>crash 30 seconds after the boss dies
Ebin.
>>122583205
what is 2hu?
2hand user? those are the cartar fags with concetration and blessing with collision damage attributes
>>122583583
wch 2hu wud you fuk
>>122583583
back to reddit
>>122583583
Crappy bullet hell time that some bosses have.
fuck you azhurel you piece of shit nigger cunt
>tfw even liking people makes me crash
This game is going full bully.
For hunter, should I go
archer 2 > hunter 3
or
archer > ranger > hunter 3
I feel like ranger would give me more AOE but less damage from crits, while archer 2 would give more consistent dps in exchange for kiting things around my pet more.
>>122580693
but this does
>All those people crashing
Has this started today? After the latest patch?
REMINDERS:
> archer never stops being worthless
> half of bosses are plate
> you can only dungeon 2 times a day every dungeon after the 90 dungeon
> sacrament doesn't help monks
> every class with cheatengine or any other memory editor is an alchemist
> 2 hand weapons will never be good
> schwarze reiter doesn't have a single good skill
> linker c2 exists
> ranger exists
> MEME SHOOTER EXISTS
> you can ice wall in town
> psychobully
> 99% of first 4 circle skills will be worthless except for buffing by 7th circle
> there are no cool male sprites in the archer or swordsman treeexcept fencer
> yet female rogue, female memeshooter, peltassta, thighlander, etc all exist
>two weeks ago economy crashed
>week ago, ipf crashed everyone's hopes
>this week, bosses crash players
>>122583810
wow dude, calm down, you need to a place to crash to mellow out?
ded game
>game gets patched
>game just crashes even more now
ebin
>>122582631
Never honey. Plate is for HP reasons only
>>122583583
Please kill yourself
Anyone know the awakening stats of Lumai Two-handed Sword?
>>122582631
this >>122584551
im 180+ and only used cloth. its fine
>>122575465
Yeah you can, it's pretty danke
>>122584616
7 Earth Attack
yes. many items have shit or low awakes
>>122582631
PvP
Stairway to Archery
Whenever you want to pad HP without investing in CON (Plate Mastery at 50 is 1.6k HP, every other piece of decent plate gives HP usually a combined value of 400 over body pieces)
Whenever you get a pair of Scale boots and awaken them
YOURE A PATCH NOW
YOURE A CRASH NOW
TOSBase says the mob I want to farm is in Arrow Path, but I can't find any information about where the fuck that is or how to get there. Anyone know?
>>122584856
>7 earth
>shit
>Bored of trying alts
>Go back to my thauma necro a bit
>Boss fight
>My skeletons become hostile entities i can't even target
This game is clearly ready for open beta.
Max attack, or critical rate for gems inside low level items? As an archer
>>122583838
archer 2.
But if you decide for ranger, anchoring is underwhelming, at least 1 in crit shot, max steady aim attribute asap (3pt req)
Where does Cafrisun spawn in Srautas Gorge?
>>122585369
I've had my sorc pet randomly start murdering my skeletons before. Fun game.
Is this a joke?
This is a joke, right?
>>122585662
Why would it?
Oh right, that wouldn't work in PvP. What are they thinking.
Okay, I am confident I found someone worse than me now.
if this person can get to rank 6, anyone can.
>>122580936
>Three is making a website which will do the same job as this doc does. Pretty simple in theory.
if you or someone else might actually do this, check out this old gw2 world boss timer site back when things were more manual.
https://web.archive.org/web/20131207034557/http://guildwarstemple.com/dragontimer/events.php?serverKey=102&langKey=en
you click the update button if the boss/event was done, then it starts counting down to the next spawn time
upvote/downvote buttons to counter trolling somewhat, if enough people downvoted the current timer it will indicate the timer might not be accurate
even better if you could somehow implement any of this into a spreadsheet
putting more levels in icewall increase the amount of hits it can take?
>>122585613
all the way right of the entrance I think, that's where I remember killing him at least
>>122585908
yes, it was a nerf to the Psycho Pressure combo because the old icewall used to have full health until they made it scale with the level.
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/so-thats-how-it-will-be-tos-is-the-ks-heaven/118475
>>122585662
The point is that the statue would normally be immune to teardown because it silences you. The attribute lets you use teardown anyways. I don't know if you can teardown anything or have to target the statue first though.
r8 tastes in haircuts for base classes.
mfw
>>122586182
It really needed to happen sooner
>>122585889
Wow this looks great.
I'll send a message to those guys and ask for source code.
>>122586163
All shit.
>>122585825
Any why exactly is quarrel shooter bad?
>>122584976
compared to some other awakes and on a 170 weapon.. that is really low
>>122586182
> rengar
>>122585825
> circle 3 memeshooter has more likes than you
>>122580529
the change was about steady aim u faggit
>>122585793
>>122586079
But what if this means a friendly austras koks, allowing you to get final use out of the statue by kicking it into someone's face?
I mean, normally you teardown your own shields.
Either way, that's circle 2 of both dievderby and quarrel shooter. I wonder if this attribute will ever see use this beta.
which Mission gives xp cards ?
and what lvl card at what charlvl ?
i really need a few more
>>122586071
>Some of these guys think they own everything just cuz they have a Temple Shooter + Fireball (and sometimes a higly trained Companion as well)... Basically, a full KS build.
Building damage is a full KS build guys
I'm 177 right now. I did every sub 180 zone quests I could find. Am I fucked and am I going to need to grind to get to 200 or do I just need to suck it up and do the 180+ zones at 177?
Also, what the fuck is up with wendigo searchers, lizardman mages and hallowventer shamans? Are there more mobs like those fuckers later on?
>>122586957
it's random
idk
>>122586038
Hm, so a c3 cryo c1 Psycho will be doing much more total damage than c3 psycho c1 cryo. thats fine, i guess. thx, anon
and i have another question about kinos: i have this telekinisis spell level 5. it usually does 3 hits but sometimes i've managed to do 4. there's a tricky to do that or ir just a bug?
>>122586071
ayy he got ks'd by a temple shooter
How does that even happen? By the time temple shooter's attack animation is finished I've already cleared the whole map twice over.
>>122587037
>need to ... do the 180+ zones at 177?
ofc
why would you not do all quests your-LvL+10 ?
>>122587136
I think it's just a bug, TK is such a messy move, I did 5 hits once at level 5.
This has happened 3 times in a row now on this boss.
How do I prevent this error?
>>122583583
>what is 2hu?
>>122587454
Speedrun.
What do koreans have that we don't?
>>122587454
Try going on window mode and click the X when she does the danmaku shit. After like 10 secs (?) click the 'no' button.
>>122587454
>do "maintenance"
>bosses now crash the game
holy shit how do you even fuck up your game this much? Also I guess you have to speedrun it or just fucking run when it bullet attacks but there's no warning really.
I could probably try to oneshot the boss for you if you want.
>>122583892
>archers can use this and memedagger
shieeeeet
I love my permanent army of big guys.
>>122587754
>you can just renew the camp
1 point wonder confirmed
>>122587754
>Effect
>AAAA
>AAA
Oh come on fucking really?
>>122583892
I read that as
>Holy attack, Batman!
Shieeet I don't have enough silver to try the camp. But it probably won't even work.
>>122587935
I laughed, I think I'm still 12 years old at heart.
>>122588162
>hacker
>doesn't have 30k
What are you doing nigger.
Gabija? I'll give you my money since I don't play anymore.
I'm player as a Ranger C2 right now and they actually feel alright, it's not broken as memelander/barb but the damage is kinda good. There is a lack of skills, sure, but I crit more often than my barb. Why does people complain about archer? I just don't understand.
>>122578615
Does Sorc's summon drains SP as quick as Psychic Pressure? I mean, it's a one time and "long CD" skill?
>>122581989
People are dumb, they ask for tank even on tenet dungeon.
>>122584065
> 2 hand weapons will never be good
>dragoon/musketeer will be shit
Guess I'm going Warlock then.
Or gay ninja.
>Physical Defense 10
but it doesn't give anything. more broken shit. thx IMC
What does Audra awaken into?
>>122587238
Stuff seems to hit way harder if it's much higher level than you are.
>>122588874
5 SPR
>tfw (for me) there isn't an attractive class
>no (sex/qt/powah) appeal
New classes when
>>122588748
>it's not broken as memelander/barb but the damage is kinda good
>Why does people complain about archer?
thats basically about it
>>122587768
Thanks a lot man, windowed mode worked.
>>122587657
I was going as fast as a C2 Priest could.
>>122587802
Thanks for the offer.
>>122589062
Actually better than I was expecting
>>122589067
>female sorc isn't pure sex
>>122589159
>>122587768
>fake closing fixes literally every bug
My fucking sides.
A level 5 XP card gives almost 50% at level 87
Is Naktis/its recipe in the game? I don't see anything on the market.
>>122589498
You never heard of the exp gaps, friend?
>>122589498
that`s low
xp resets at 86 and 136 and 186
>>122589498
>use level 5 exp card at level 85 with 99.8%
>instantly jump to 87
That felt really great.
>>122589615
Dropped by Necroventer, field boss of Legwyn map.
Quite a rare drop. I once camped that boss every 4 hours for 3 days straight. Not only did I not get Naktis, no one in the group did. Ended up buying it for 5m.
Then a friend got it.
>>122575816
I quit the game over this dungeon. 2 runs per day and then I play with a corsair who is dumb enough to have gone highlander 2 and crash the party with idiot stroke, jewing me out of most of one of my daily entries.
The R6 no lifer trophy isn't worth it.
>>122575816
I heard it drops Petamion.
That amulet recipe sells for 5m-8m on Zemnya.
>Highlander C2 68
>Barbtassta 66
>Cryokino 55
>Ranger C2 44
>Hoplite 53
What should I roll now?
Slut priest? Try harder on psychokino until sorc?
>>122589874
PIss off then
Bugged out while soloing the 175 dungeon boss. I could still kill him with normal attacks, but I missed out on the cube he drops.
>>122589615
Did you make a Nulis?
>>122589874
you know you can re-enter the dungeon if you crash ?
i had a few crashs at 130 dung but we finished each single run
>>122589306
That skirt is fuckin ugly.
Also, there is no appeal on that boobs.
Only the art is pure sex and even then Scout Master is way hotter.
Pic related would be really nice, tho.
>>122590006
You sound like me, I can't stick to a single character.
should I go Archer C2, Quarrel Shooter or ranger?
>>122590190
Sorceress should look like this
>>122590108
cool
>>122590518
Ranger if you plan to Ranger C3
Archer C2 otherwise
Bully all Quarrel Shooters
>>122590612
>big floopy witch hat
>sit down next to someone in the rain and it umbrellas the two of you
aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
IMC: One step forward two steps back
>>122590819
Oh god my heart
>>122590006
I'm
>Sorc 130
>Highlander C3 100
>Hoplite 60
>Pyrolinker 65
>Cyrokino 45
>Ranger C2 45
I'm rolling on a Priest now and autoattacking with Cafrisun set is pretty fun. I like seeing all the numbers pop up.
>>122590136
You can't go back if everyone crashes.
What's the best 1h spear?
>>122591546
>everyone
ohh k. didnt happend in my runs.
sometimes 3 or 4 ppl, but always at least 1 guy was left inside
>someone I've never met before sent me a friend request while I was afk
what?
>>122591752
Galatunis/Brandish.
Good luck finding either of them.
>>122591794
Maybe he wants some kisses
>log off with 0 friend requests
>log in with 9 friend requests
How to get armband?
>>122591848
Galatunis is from a retconned boss.
I saw Brandish in korea though.
>Defend objective quest
>Die
>They don't switch targets to attack the objective while I am dead
>Just wait out the duration
This fucking game.
>Kill 500 Hanamings for the black hair
>Get achievement
>Don't get the hair colour
anyone else have this problem?
Anyone for mec missions/hat quests? we need 1 more!
i don't suppose this set exists yet
http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/sets/6/
>can't Cross Guard with 2h spear
I just want to go Highlander/Barbarian for a total of 5 ranks, then get Dragoon, and be viable main-tank.
>>122592062
that sucks
you think they'll add them back at some point?
>>122592279
Can the objectives you're told to defend actually be destroyed? They never seem to have hp bars.
>>122592926
Sword pelt barb drag would be fine
Market keeps eating the potions I put up for sale, so.
I have 1700 lv5 SP pots on Laima. If anyone wants some, stop by in the next 30 minutes or so. I could do some free awakenings too if anyone wants those.After this I'm done with icbt, I'll see all of you in obt hell
>want to run 90 dungeon for exp
>nothing but people 110+ standing around or doing rushes
When do the people doing runs for exp get on?
>>122593061
But I want a 2-handed spear.
>>122592643
pls be on Laima
thanks for a fun run, mc-kun!
>>122593081
can alchemist make better stamina pills?
>>122593170
Oops, it's Gabija
>>122593201
They sure can
>>122593145
>2 hand spear
>Classes that use 2 hand sword
Anon...
>>122593145
>wants to use spear
>wants to go barb
make up your mind???
>>122593232
id buy some of those off ya
Oh speaking of which, how does Finestra + 2h Spear look like?
Can someone make a webm of using it, and attacking?
>>122593236
>>122593324
Uhh, all Highlander/Barbarian skills except for Cross Guard have no weapon restriction.
Has anybody managed to get xpadder working in game?
>>122593342
I don't have the time anymore, you'll have to find another alchemist. Sorry.
>>122593359
Isn't 2h spear only cataphract?
>>122593359
yeah but you need the mastery to use a spear, so you will be using 2h sword until rank 7 which is probably lvl 220+
>>122593483
Yeah.
I know few people went hoplite -> cata
>>122593569
And I want to make a Dragoon, which is rank 7 iirc. Don't really care about Spear that much until then.
>>122593670
If I end up getting my Hoplite to rank 6 my rank 6 will be cata just to be able to use the 3hit spears.
>>122592279
They can, and most do have hp bars, though idk how you can tab over to them to see, but some mobs have AoEs that will lightly graze it, side from that theyll never even look at whatever theyre supposed to be attacking.Besides stupid AI, someone probably complained it was too difficult
>>122593790
not dragoon?
>>122593046
Yes, they can, but you have to screw up really hard for it to happen.
Just got to 185. Just one more difficult level, and then EXP reset hits and it's a more or less smooth ride to 200.
>>122593846
meant to quote >>122593046
>>122592279
terrible mobs. terrible map.
i was kiting / running for my life at borders of that area the whole quest duration
>>122593884
>Dragoon
This guy is talking about iCBT2.
>I have to solve 8 captchas to post now
Holy shit.
>>122593884there is no dragoon in this beta
My main focus will be some dps cleric come release since support is a fucking joke.
Have they said anything about OB for the West?
>>122594049
>>122594096
oh, I see.
Yeah I guess that could work, Doppel has like 1 good skill so cataphract for that spear would be nice.
>>122592627
Worked fine for me.
>when you attach an amulet to a weapon it will be shown
neat
>>122594159
it starts next week
>bloodborne dlc
>fallout 4
>battlefront
>ToS beta
this beta needs to fucking end so i can do something else
>>122594194
Looks like shit on spears cause it doesn't connect properly.
>>122592627
Yep. Killed 529 of those fuckers for nothing.
fucking string amulet doesn't work on bosses
where the fuck do i need it if not on bosses
holy shit imc it's only like 8 seconds you could just make it less powerful in general
i just want to hold c the entire fight and be useful anyway
>>122594194
Too bad amulets no longer drop in Korea and will probably be removed from the game entirely.
Is there anything in the C2 or C3 Pelt that would warrant getting them, if I plan on going Squire later on the next beta. My only interest in them is the AoE taunt. Are any of their further skills any useful?
If not, I'll just get Barb2 so I can actually level to the point of becoming Squire.
>friendly duel a sorceress
>log off before one of us died
>relog
>she is friendly but her ice wall freezes me
nice game, good coding
also, it seems chat is buggy
the two empty chat bubbles were not empty before i change zone
>>122594863
C2/C3 pelt are crap. Skill that reduces your phys attack by 50% in exchange for a flat amount of block is retarded as fuck.
>>122593181
This party is giving me diabetes
>>122595073
I want my own harem too
>3rd crash in a row fighting Bramble
>5th character to go through there, never had any trouble
FUCK
anyone can suggest a cleric>c3 priest > monk build? and stat distribution ? i've seen so many comments and how to distribute stats and all are different so i dont know what to belive anymore, halp
>>122594814
Gooks disliked amulets they prefer simpler item enhancing. :^)
>>122595073
everytime I see screenshots of this or people doing it in game i just want to pk them. I just don't know why
>>122595281
>boy and girl kissing
>fag
You want the true homos to stay?
>>122595410
player kissing?
>>122595461
I want everyone to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior to save their immortal souls.
>>122595461
Yes.
I'm going Wiz>Cryo>??>Elementalist
Fill the gap
KCBT players, what are the korean server IP's?
Dagger and set with bless and sacrement
Pretty hilarious with just auto attacks
>>122595515
killing
Swordsman > Highlander C3 >Squire C2
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/3aelg3wmpp/
It looks alright in theory, but is it actually good?
Does TOSG Yay or Nay?
>>122595751
Don't tell me meme dagger triggers blessing twice.
>>122595968
it doesnt but it'll add to every damage instance you can stack
>>122595968
No, but the Cafrisun set does.
putting a blue gem on my memedagger will help me block some shit?
>>122595968
Nope but it enhances the fuck outa the other lines from the cafrisun set and sacrement and enchant fire
>>122595797
Highlander skills fall out much faster than Barbarian skills, and unlike Barbarians, you can't overskil las easily and consistently. You're better off getting Pelt1+Barb2 instead, like I plan on.
>Just want to grind
>Building furniture instead
>>122595797
Might be good since Squire has no combat skills and Highlander is easy to level.
I'm probably going to take one Pelt circle when I remake my Squire though.
>>122596158
Can't block with a dagger.
>>122595797
if you wanna 2h, I'd just do highlander 1 for the 2h attributes and the skirt.
>>122596183
is this set good for wizards?
>>122594863
all you need is pelt c1 to tank, go barb c2 > afterwards or maybe hop c2 > corsair/doppel
>>122596371
Yes, especially pyros with enchant fire.
Gives you 3 lines, snag a meme dagger and go to town blowing things up with just auto attack
>>122595751
This is even more ridiculous when you have concentrate.
With blessing, sacrament, cafrisun and dagger concentrate procs four times on each attack (no extra proc from dagger).
The numbers, they just keep flowing.
haha guys im lithuanian and its so cool to see lithuanian words pop up
for example naktis means night and nulis mean zero
if you need anything translated or just want to know what it means ask away
Has anyone on any server seen or acquired the Valia/Stunner Maces?
If so, could you please share with me where to obtain them. I already have the Monk Mace and I would love to get a red weapon that isn't the Toy Hammer on my monk before this ends. If not I can try and bumrush my Swordy to C6 and Cata 3 to use an Elements, if I ever drop one.
Help a brother out please.
>>122595073
I want to fuck that bokor
>>122596506
Yea, in my party theres a pyro -> thalmaturge, and 2 warriors
>>122596443
>pyro
>Gives you 3 lines....with auto attack
pyro skills are a lot better tho. its not a autoattack class
>>122595797
If you want to be a Squire, then you should take Peltasta so you bring more utility to parties with the AoE taunt.
And Barb/Hoplite > Highlander, so no point on taking it as it just falls off later on.
>>122595797
Yay
>>122596539
do ppl fap to gabija there?
i have a question: when i remove a gem from a weapon, is there any penaulty besides the gem level lost?
>>122596364
Yeah going 2hander, I wanted to try a DPS focus (that does boss damage too) with something to put at the end, nothing seemed interesting but the Squire.
>>122596223
I see, I thought highlander was the best for warrior DPS, I'll see what I can find.
I actually noticed that I over looked Doppelsoeldner, which has some abilities that I'm looking for.
Not sure if I should trade out. I kinda like Squire support like abilities.
What are we going to play now?
>>122596808
Dicks
>came to boss at 20% hp
>still get cube
Based.
>>122596756
ppl fap to Grita. shes best Waifu,
no other penalty besides -1 gem lvl
>>122596670
this is true, but there is some merit to wearing the cafrisun set just to get the extra auto attack damage when your skills are on CD, especially since defensive armor stats scale so terribly
>>122596756
gabija is just a girls name, the koreans just sexualised her
>>122596921
maybe, but there is better Pyro Armor
Ball , Ground , ect do so much dmg. i would not gear or stat for autoattacks
>>122596808
The korean test of course. You guys are already scavenging for an account, right? It took me half a day to get one.
>Be Cryomancer C3
>reach Mage Tower
>>122596808
I'm gonna hopefully draw some butts.
>>122597105
Both of you are not wrong though, the point is that with Cafrisun you still need a meme dagger while without Cafrisun there aren't other options that actually increase DPS like this.
>>122597196
Do you need a KSSN to get it?
>>122596808
Tree of Crashes
>>122597405
Yeah, probably.
But a korean borrowed me his alt account.
>>122597039
Did you see the (I believe) Romuva inspired cleric classes? At least I remember seeing their simble on representing Krivis, I believe
>>122596808
ToS until beta ends next week, then I have single player games to play/finish. After that I'll probably go play another grindy MMO until more ToS news
>>122597571
dude i got no clue about the game, never played it
all I can say that romuva is a religion which is kinda hippy tree loving shit and kirvis means axe.
>>122597802
What about Klaipeda?
What is the purpose of kissing in this game?
>>122597926
klaipeda is a city near the sea, we got ships and a nice beach its third biggest city I beleave, great place for vacation on summer loads of festivals
>>122597997
The same as liking.
>>122597926
City in Lithuania, used to be prussian/german before ww1 and known as Memel. Siauliai is also a city there, Vilna is obviously lithuania's capital
>>122588748
>Does Sorc's summon drains SP as quick as Psychic Pressure? I mean, it's a one time and "long CD" skill?
It drains 1% of your SP every 2-3s while they are out
>>122596630
that bokor is mine, sorry~
>>122595751
welcome to 2 weeks ago
>>122595317
priest3 is fucking awful unless you invest a ton of spirit, which isn't a bad idea as monk but you're better off going cleric>krivis>priest2 and stacking spirit and using crit rate gems. I have 6 dex, 235spr and 57 crit rate and when zalciai is down I have about 40% crit chance. Crit my autos for a total of 2k. Would be more if I was using str gear and crit attack gear.
The thing about monk is that they're not a dps class. No matter how good your gear gets or how good you are as a player or how much money you inject into your character, it'll still be shit compared to any decent build from the other 3 classes. You have to understand that before making a cleric with monk in mind: cleric tree classes are support classes. Unless they add ome major dps skills in rank 7-10, clerics are doomed to be support. Sure there's healing/buff/debuff/damage support hybridization, but in the end you're still in the group to support and you still kill shit way slower than a real DPS class does.
How does this work? The set adds an additional attack for every buff or something?
>>122598387
Doesnt make it any less fun senpai
>>122598554
was for
>>122595751
Is there a good place to farm green gems?
>>122598468
lol zaibas 15 does more dps than the majority of the rank 6 of other classes
>>122598663
It adds an additional line of damage with an earth element base. Any added damage such as the meme dagger's fire damage, will add onto it. Bless, and concentrate are also included in this.
>>122598468
>krivis sadhu druid
>not dps classes
yeah monk / priest falls off hard but that's just one build
>>122598554
It adds an extra attack line that does 12 damage. Any other elemental damage you have gets added to it too, and so does on hit effects like concentrate and blessing.
>>122596808
I'm gonna do a nice and long playthrough of FNV once this is over. It's gonna be a long wait for the OBT or release anyways.
>>122598468
im already c3 priest, getting close to next rank, and i know i wont be a full dps class, but i dont wanna be next to shit w/ my dmg besides being support, so monk is what i have in mind
I think I've only realised now that historical time is loosely passing as you progress into the circles. I mean you start as an archer and then you become a Schwazrer Reiter, a German reinassance unit that used pistols on horseback, then musketeer/canoneers. clerics bounce back and forward, but you usually start pagan and then become christian, Swordsman has some Roman Empire era shit, but Dragoons are from the 18th century, Alchemists in later circles etc. Where would be the end of that, somewhere before the Industrial Revolution? If so, what other classes could see some use?
>>122596808
Im gonna finish 100%ing Tales of Zestiria and new game plus a few times
Might even play through ToS again too. I fucking love tales of symphonia
>>122597105
well you can't fucking gear for spell damage so what else are you going to wear that gives comparable dps
>>122595317
I'm a cleric > priest 3 > monk and would suggest you don't go priest 3. Sacrament is useless unless you're auto attacking, but you won't be because double punch basically takes place of your auto, and the +170 dmg from blessing starts to show it's weakness at lvl 140+. I can kill the same mob in two double punches the same with or without blessing.
The only reason you should go Priest 3 > Monk is if you want Stone Skin. It makes you basically invincible against any melee physical class for 35 seconds (this is pvp of course.)
if you want a video of how it's going to look once you're in demon prison here you go. this is a full DEX monk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjtq5in7zGw
i will be most likely switching to krivis instead of priest come release. To be perfectly honest with you, all builds leading to monk are pretty shit.
>>122599013
Look at priests. You can go through 6 different religions as you class up to 6. Its pretty funny
>>122598554
[Your "normal" attack] + [Arde dagger bonus] + [Blessing/Concentrate bonus]
[Enchant Fire "fire" attack] + [Arde Dagger bonus] + [Blessing/Concentrate bonus]
[Sacrament "holy" attack] + [Arde Dagger bonus] + [Blessing/Concentrate bonus]
[Cafrisun "earth" attack] + [Arde Dagger bonus] + [Blessing/Concentrate bonus]
Per auto-attack
The jews did this
>>122599109
The best part about Monk is its sustainability. You can pretty much endlessly grind with minimal money investment. Just a few silvers for Stamina Pills. You may not have the greatest DPS out there, but you will outshine anyone in terms of being out in the field.
>>122599194
If only it worked with sadu auto attack
Hell, why doesnt it?
>>122598205
>known as Memel
>Meme
nice meme
>>122599024
Is Zestiria any good? I was thinking of getting it. Haven't really played a tales game since Symphonia and the old PS1 ones
If I'm C3 Cryo, what would be more useful to me next, Psychokino or Linker? I mainly want to be able to kill shit better in between my big cooldowns.
Does psychic pressure actually do damage on its own if you don't get interrupted?
>>122598717
zaibas is comparable to flame ground. Krivis don't have anything else while pyro gets fireball and and fire pillar.
>>122598841
>classes that cast 1-2 spells and then proceed to do pitiful damage for 30 seconds compared to real dps classes
>>122598975
in that case, monk is pretty good ya. It's a significant dps increase compared to priest, but don't expect miracles out of it.
>>122599620
>>classes that cast 1-2 spells and then proceed to do pitiful damage for 30 seconds compared to real dps classes
That's every dps class
if you're looking at just 1 circle...
krivis sadhu druid is ALWAYS doing something.
>>122599109
>6k+ dmg on the Harugals with each double punch
I wouldn't really call that shit damage.
>>122599545
Its pretty fun. Biggest issue i have with it is how fast they dump the first girl but otherwise, its pretty good. I like the rock paper scissors style of combat it has going for it and the back tracking content is quite a high amount. Lots of replay value too and the mages arent just stand in the back casters anymore, they can get into the fray if you learn their combos and what not. It makes for an interesting playthrough going as one of the casters. Storywise, its a tales game, through and through. But, the mc doesnt really make you wanna kill him every 5 seconds like luke but is kinda flat otherwise.
How do all archers here control their characters?
I've been testing with a gamepad, and a mouse/keyboard combination and simply clicking on the enemy you would like to target multiple times seems to be far more efficient and responsive then using a gamepad or any other alternative
Does the boss in DG 90 crash the game too?
>>122599829
mouse control or nothing for archer.
>>122599849
If he makes it to the touhou phase probably.
>>122599476
Because it's a skill, not an auto attack
>>122599804
Is there any actual endgame, loads of super bosses, extra dungeons, that sorta thing?
I really miss how much content all those older JRPGs had, I can't really think of anything that comes even remotely close to stuff like SO3 in the last 2 console generations
>>122599105
im not even full INT, maybe later
PyroC3
these Element Attacks each Fireball Tic, each Flame Ground Tick, each Firepillar Tic
and they add a bit more dmg. Pants gave +5x dmg instead of 45. Robe something 5x instead if 42. cant get better Gloves atm. i guess i just keep these
autoattacks suck
>>122600001
Tons and tons of super bosses. Pretty much one in each dungeon and every world zone. There are plenty of extra dungeons, some of which will give you keys to open boxes that will prolly stay locked to you through the whole game otherwise. There are also challenge dungeons where you get thrown into a chain battle as a single character and have to fight it out till the end for a strong accessory. Lots of backtracking value too with the zone seraphims and them buffing and adding to your hunting grounds for items. Crafting system is pretty neat too. Lets you mix and match bonuses on gear and level them up, and even evolve them eventually.
Its nothing like the piss easy and shallow amount of content like xilia, thats for sure.
>>122600103
You sure they add to spells?
>>122599893
I assume your referring to what I just said?
I seems slightly strange compared to other games that would be predominately 'tab' targeted and use of a mouse would be purely restricted to camera control, but in this case mouse control is essentially enemy focus
>>122600298
They do. The extra lines dont though
Anyone on gaba up for some killst- I mean prison grind?
>>122600298
i tested fireball and flameground with/without pants and robe.
as i wrote, they added a little more then the awake number.
5x instead of 4x.
for each single ball,ground,pillar Tic
and these skills hit a lot as Pyro3
>>122599829
Gamepad. I barely use my auto and Oblique got phased out since like C2.
>>122599620
well the thing is, im still confused as what stat to use, i've seen many diff combinations but idk what would be the best, i've seen str/con, str/dex, str/spr/dex, etc
>>122600475
>>122600103
i was about to make me full roxona, had most mats but then i found+tried these. fuk roxona or any other gear(for pyro,maybe others)
>>122600258
Nice, thanks for the info
I'll probably pick it up soon, gonna wait and see if it goes on sale for any of the black friday stuff first though
>>122600462
>>122600475
Sweet.
>>122600103
Will this game turn into "you don't have 4 armor pieces with element attack? well you're not coming with our group lol"
Having any of the armor attributes almost seems pointless now if the best element attack items end up something like plate/plate/leather/cloth where you don't even get the 3 type bonus.
They say avoid the bullets to avoid crash, what the hell
>>122599829
I started out with keyboard and just got used to it. Precise aiming is hard when there's a giant pack but I just pretend I'm doing something by auto-attacking while my skills are on cooldown.
You can also tab target but it's kind of useless for me because moving while auto-attacking makes you attack faster than if you were standing still.
This dude is bugged, right?
I can't finish the final quest where you have to "console" him, tehe~
>>122599829
gamepad because I'm a sucker for those old ps1 jrpgs
>>122599619
Not bad, anon. Made me laugh.
>>122600852
armor masteries were always shit, the only reason to wear armor is if they give you good damage bonuses or large scale stat bonuses like petamion
>>122599849
Done it several times today; No, he doesn't
>>122600852
well these are 3 Cloth.
and i had maxed cloth mastery last week before i know these.
it still gives +SP and i dont really need the 4 part Mag-Def bonus
dungeons , prison grind, ect is pretty easy. most ppl take anyone atm. i dont think stuff like that will be a requirement
>>122595797
i am doing exactly this. right now 145
Some tips here, crown is shit skill, no overheat, long CD, shit aoe
you should get at least 1pt in cross cut and skyliner. both of those skills have 2 charges, 2 hits and on a rather low CD. it help u farm and ks those stupid linkers.
C3 highlander is only ok with the extra lv of crosscut and skyliner. you will rarely use cartar in dungeon.
C3 skill are not particularly cool compare to class like cyro
But i like skull swing, the ignore defense debuff anon diss about is pretty cool and the duration on boss scales with level. With or without it could mean a 5k or 7k cri on cartar to Earth Archon. I dont know if highlanders are ok late game but i always get FOE loots even solo.
Pic related on the other hand is wagon wheel level shit except it has overheat. the translation is absolute garbage and doesnt do anything like that other than debuf stacking damage.
Also since u go with highlander, might as well take 1 point in thrust to get those leather man. because you cant use spear or piece attack. bash only need 3 to do its knock down.
>>122600547
>>122600987
If you use a mouse like a g600 however, you can use the 12 side buttons with your thumb and purely use WSAD for controls, essentially meaning you have control over every single enemy on the screen at one time and also having all your abilities
>>122600852
make barbarian 3
big hits dont care about minor damage bonuses
barbarian will save us all
>Mage Tower
>Grita is following me everywhere
>she keeps standing next to enemies
>can't click on anything but her
>>122601128
>>122599919
Thanks, I hope it doesn't too
fucking 2hu
>>122600852
Then you find a non retarded group and clear it while they're waiting outside looking for people.
What kind of defense do monsters have? Do they have the same as players? Cloth, leather, plate?
>>122600687
I'd suggest to get 10k health by the time you're done with prison grind and then just divide your stats between spr and dex something like 1str:1spr:2dex. You'd want a hell of a lot more spr if you went 1krivis because of how obnoxiously well zalciai scales with spr, but since you're priest3, the only scaling you get from spr is flat damage from reducing enemy armor. Just use rank 5 monstrance and deprotection zone and you and your party will do plenty of damage.
>>122601269
mate I don't care that much about efficiency, I just like holding a controller like I did years ago playing Valkyrie Profile, BOFIV amd vagrant Story in my old ass ps1
>>122601985
Is there a limit to how many times you can run a dungeon? Because I could go with you if you want and are on gabija
I just realized Hoplite can't mob for shit unless I'm using a sword.
What level should I be when I get out of the demon prison and use my cards.
Around 175?
How hard is the Level 90 dungeon anyway?
Why is peltasta the tank class? Isn't peltasta supposed to be a skirmisher? Where is Phrygian cap in the game?
>>122602495
Boring as fuck.
>>122602478
165~166
>>122602495
it isn't hard if you have a full team
>>122602397
bet you fell for the swordsman c2 meme
>>122602478
Yeah good luck with that
>>122602495
It's easy, don't even need a tank or healer to be honest. There's only a couple pulls that have caster/ranged mobs, most of them won't even get an attack off before they die.
>>122602551
>implying the game has tanks
peltasta is the shield dps
>>122602667
Nah I went for Highlander and I switch to swords when I mob so I kill all of them. Single targets and bosses is where Hoplite shines.
>>122602757
Stop memeing.
There are tanks in this game.
Rodelero is supposed to be the shield DPS.
>>122602587
>>122602679
I mean after using my cards.
>>122602150
Same type of stats as a player. Cloth, leather, plate, and ghost type armors, which are weak to Slash, Pierce, Strike, and Magic. Damage calculations are pretty simple, mostly adding and subtracting, and put your attack vs their defense, crit rate vs crit resist, accuracy vs evasion etc.
>>122602780
even worse
>>122602551
Why doesn't peltasta in-game wear a proper chiton to lewdly display his chest?
To fix archer controls using a pad, they need to implement a "strafe" button
>>122602947
Actually I realized it's because of my pet. Pets are so useless. It was pulling the mobs away from me and the server doesn't recognize it till after it tries to do a hit confirm.
>>122602812
depends how many you got and if you use them at 164,165,166
you should endup at 175-177 or so
do the math
www.tosbase.com/game/exp-tables/base/
Any healer still have runs left for 130 dungeon? Our healer suddenly left when we're already inside.
What's people's issue with archer controls? Just don't forget to turn off the target lock
>>122603243
>Pets are so useless
They aren't, people just aren't investing in them or even keeping around leveled up.
>>122603665
Mine is actually well invested in. It's level 38 now and I spent about 100k pumping its stats.
>>122603649
>You can't quickly choose enemies. Mouse mode is just so much comfier.
Last night I decided to go full meme and get the Cafrisun Set on my Monk.
My god were all those numbers fun but I was way too damn squishy at level 155. I was having to heal after every encounter no matter how trashy the mob.
>>122602292
There are and I'm onZemyna
If someone likes your character do you like them back?
even if it isn't true?
>psychokino 3
is this good?
>>122603761
That's literally nothing.
>>122603830
Mouse mode would be nice if you could actually use mouse hotkeys
>>122603859
Git gud
Or get ADHD jumping around.
>>122603830
I find pointing barrage a bit of a mess with mouse mode. Well, I haven't really tried much and just got used to kb
>>122603959
I'm 43 doing Tenet so yeah 38 pet is really fine there. I moved about 300k to my new character so I bought the pet early on.
>>122603873
I have a couple likes and I don't even know where they came from.
>>122603873
Why would you ever hate anyone?
>「BLUE ATTACK」 can crash your game
>you can press exit to prevent it
I wish this was intended, it's breaking the 4th wall in a really cool way. Maybe they'll make it a feature for some endgame boss?
>>122604023
I imagine it's like earthquake, it simply goes into the direction of the mouse arrow. It's actually nice once you get used to it since you don't have to keep repositioning your character. I always play archer/mage on mouse mode now.
>>122603986
I'm sure we'll have that soon, I just wonder what will be broken for it to be implemented.
>tfw entering mines as lvl 25 pyro
this is fun for the whole family.
>>122604051
You could have just leveled the pet on your old character then moved it over to carry your new one. Having a level 100+ pet in early game one shots a lot of stuff.
>>122604424
I didn't know you can move pets.
What to blow my funds on as a C3 Ranger? I already have an Arde Dagger.
>>122604738
a decent crossbow
upgrading said crossbow
Anyone on Gabija around 90 that wants to run the dungeon?
>finally get to the prison grind
>the 4 rooms are controlled by one sorc with a temple shitter one shooting every single spawn
so underpowered wiz needs buff now
>>122605041
Yeah, If I haven't reached my limit yet
>>122605172
Party 6941
>boss spends over half the duration of the fight being invulnerable with nothing you can do except wait for them to stop being invulnerable
WHY does ANYONE EVER think this shit is a good idea?
>>122604275
Not that anon but holy shit, Barrage does go in the direction your mouse is in. I'll fiddle around with the hotkeys later because having to press control+1/2/3/4/5 is retarded while you're using WASD to move.
>>122604738
Depends on what level you are and what bow you already have
>>122602905
>Damage calculations are pretty simple, mostly adding and subtracting, and put your attack vs their defense, crit rate vs crit resist, accuracy vs evasion etc
Isn't this pretty much the norm in most MMO/RPGs? A convoluted rock paper scissors game?
Fucking party leader suddenly changed party name to his twitch, fucking hell I don't want to be streamed
>>122600103
Man, what a piece of shit you wear, this gave me cancer.
>>122605724
Leave?
>>122605345
I can't enter your arty on my own, it's kanklis
>>122605724
This >>122605852 desu senpai
>>122605724
Are you Maware or Defoe?
Why are Varv Skin so expensive
>>122606429
beetleback recipe, very low drop rate
>>122606429
Beetleback shield.
>>122606429
Some half assed HP shield mixed with the abyssmally low droprate
>>122606382
Neither, its on a grind party
These fucking birds in demon prison, there's loke 5 of em now I think
Alright, remember when I said Deeds of Valor was sort of impractical.
I take that back, It's okay for grinding especially when mobs hit like a potato, However.
It might be worse than what we originally thought.
This is lv2 on a normal attack, and I don't know about you but that does not look like a 20% increase in attack to me.
Perhaps it only increases your weapon's attack? or maybe the non-critical portion of you damage?
Further testing is in order.
>>122585825
>>122586346
>>122586680
i don't know how he grind 3 cirlces of QS.
>>122605348
>use your 90s cooldown skills
>boss goes invulnerable before they hit
WHAT THE FUCK
Everytime those boss makes those Tuhuu bullet attack ripoffs the client crashes. Jesus Christ.
What are devs doing with their builds? They're pretty fucking disorganized when stuff like this pops up when it didn't prior to the maintenance.
>>122607846
Just don't get hit
>>122605645
There aren't really any multipliers or class modifiers and stuff like that. Everything is very linear, 1 point of STR/INT is 1 point of damage. ToS damage formula is just Attack + Skill Attack - Enemy Defense, with +50% damage for crits/weaknesses.
In many RPGs damage is not always obvious how it is determined, and people have to ask what the damage formula is.
Take Final Fantasy 10 for example. For physical attacks formula is Base Damage = [{(Stat^3 ÷ 32) + 32} x DmCon ÷16], then there is a damage reduction formula applied to that, Final Damage = Base Damage * {730 - (Def * 51 - Def^2 ÷ 11) ÷ 10} ÷ 730. There's also equipment and buff modifiers that affect that too.
>>122605645
No. In most games def reduces damage by percentage. In this game def/mdef is literally the number that is subtracted from physical damage. Skill damage is not based on your actual power, it just adds your power to the base skill damage. So it's basically like you just landed an autoattack and used the skill with no weapon/STR equipped right after. Most maths in this game are retarded like this. I thought they were placeholders at first, but now I'm concerned.
>>122607896
You don't need to get hit. You just have to see the boss doing it to crash the game.
>>122607846
>Tuhuu
I don't think that's how it is pronounced, senpai
>>122607919
Even pen & paper damage rolls are a lot more complex than the damage formula in this game. It's dumb.
>>122607547
Enemy armor? Doesn't boost crit damage?
>>122607919
How do they come up with such formulas?
>>122607547
20% extra on 2400 gives 2880, looks pretty in line considering mix-max damage
>>122607919
>>122607946
On the one hand I think it's interesting to see the gear optimization/balancing options that strictly additive damage formulas create. It really reminds me a lot of very old RPGs.
On the other hand, I doubt IMC actually knows how their own game works and I think they will continue to fail to reach any semblance of balance without a complete overhaul of combat.
>>122608142
D&D damage rolls can become ridiculously complex with over 20 different variables though.
Ok so I'm done with my support cleric I guess. Hit 177, out of cards, the only quests I have are in 180+ zones where every mob hits me for 1.8k. The 175 dungeon gives next to no xp and can only be ran twice a day. Grinding is painfully slow since there's absolutely no density anywhere in 165+ zones, so it'd take me like 3-4 hours a level and I have no intention of grinding solo as a fucking support cleric killing 1-2 mob at a time.
Anyways, my build: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/rw572j71i4/
I regret not going krivis for rank 2, since zaibas would've been useful early on. It's useles later on so I respec'd out of it. Priest 3 is only good with butt loads of spirit for Stone Skin, but my god is it good when you have high Spr. It's like 50-60% block for your whole party, trivializes dungeons. Priest1 is pretty worthless later on, but somewhat decent early on. Priest2 is extremely good since you get mass heal which will remain relevant at higher levels and you get revive which prevents getting 1 shot. Sacrament is obviously good damage but is starting to be less and less effective as a source of damage for myself and the dps I run with. Not much point to 300-400 extra damage when a Hoplite does 9k crit a crit per hit on Stabbing with 100% crit rate because of Zalciai. Aspersion is shit, the damage is laughable and the defense is almost entirely worthless, it's a waste of a buff slot. Resurrection/Revive are 1 point wonders, Exorcise is complete garbage because it gets resisted 75% of the time and if a mob resists it in a pack, it goes away and does no damage at all. Like I said earlier, stone skin is godly if you go pure support. If there's no buff purging in the higher ranks, support priest3 will be a huge thing in PvP.
For krivis, the torch is useless, zalciai is the best buff/debuff in the game right now if you're spr build, daino will be mandatory if higher ranks give more buffs and zaibas is a good nuke, but nothing extraordinary.
>first run of 90 dungeon as full str hoplite with fuckign swash buckling
>only die once to a pack of cocks instantly gibbing me
>get a memedagger
Well I can be dps now right?
>>122608357
Still, it kind of beats the purpose of it being a video game if you could quickly calculate everything by hand. They have fucking machines that can do countless calculations per second at their disposal to make things a lot more interesting and instead they choose to go with retarded dumbed down flawed formulae.
>>122607547
You'll get a more obvious difference if you have a stronger base to work with. Just need to get good gear, really.
Deeds already pushes me from just maiming some piles of mobs to outright killing them. It's one of a very rare breed of %-based buffs in this game, too, so it'll probably scale well into the high ranks. Plus, it's ballsy and bally isfun.
>>122608272
Skilled mathematicians, there are even programs where you can plot the function curves on a graphic too, it just depends on whatever the devs want the damage to be like, what would be the main source of increasing damage (armor, own stats, bufffs/debuffs, weaknesses…)
>>122608283
Skill says +10% attack per stack, not damage. So it should be applied to whatever you Attack stat is on your character before the +50% critical damage + crit attack stat.
Pressing enter on logging in just spams the button huh
>>122608285
>On the one hand I think it's interesting to see the gear optimization/balancing options that strictly additive damage formulas create
That's not possible in this game though, remember we have 500+ levels of content. It could maybe be doable if they weren't so ambitious at the cost of ruining everything.
The current system means stuff will barely scale later on, and ultimately multi-hit skills will be the best. Unless they decide to make R1-R6 classes extremely inferior to higher classes, which completely beats the purpose of having 80+ classes in the game. It's just so much simpler to make things scale and give this game proper damage calculations like in every MMORPG.
>>122602905
>>122605645
>>122607919
>>122608142
>>122608357
>>122608621
>>122608285
>>122607946
How does damage calculated in RO and Granado Espada?
>templar will have a setup skill like pardoner, alchemist, etc
>can only be cast at guild tower
>templar can purchase quests and other missions for his guild
>he can put those up for taking for his guildies
>succeeding in doing those grant XP for the templar and the guild, alongside rewards for players
>Taekwon Mission spells, one gives the whole guild bonus on certain mobs, the other give guild points for killing a specific boss
> guild recall and other neat guild based spells
>none of this will happen and we will probably get a swordsman who can make guilds and spam Level*Hits screenwide aoe spells with memedagger
>>122608873
That's what I mean. It's really stupid and bad, but it's stupid and bad in a unique way.
Obviously it should be changed, but it's interesting to work with as a player.
This must be some absolutely mad strategy to get people to stop playing the game, because I just can't imagine a company fucking up this horribly and this often purely by accident.
>>122609262
Beta extension and increased exp rates! Woooo!
>>122609120
This is how a melee hit is calculated in RO:
(([((({(STR + [STR/10]^2 + [DEX/5] + [LUK/5] + UpgradeBonus + ImpositioManus + ATKCards + rnd(min(DEX,ATK), ATK)*SizeModifier) * SkillModifiers * (1 - DEF/100) - VitDEF + BaneSkill + UpgradeDamage} + MasterySkill + WeaponryResearchSkill + EnvenomSkill) * ElementalModifier) + Enhancements) * DamageBonusModifiers * DamageReductionModifiers] * NumberOfMultiHits) - KyrieEleisonEffect) / NumberOfMultiHits
>>122605893
Oh sorry about that. I just finished. Maybe tommorow then.
>>122608664
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm liking it.
I'm just trying to figure out how it works, and I think >>122608756 got it right.
Went out to confirm it, and I came across something nice actually.
The moment you activate Deeds of Valor, you already have a 10% increase to attack; the first hit you take bumps it up to 20% and so on.
But yes, It only increases your Physical Attack stat. Since Critical Damage is a flat increase, the total damage doesn't add up.
>can't get pink hair because npc is bug
>>122609630
Just keep going on with the game and check back every now and then. He'll appear.
It seems really random and I was frustrated for the same reason for like three days.
>>122609120
Take Pokemon, for instance
>Damage = ((((2 * Level / 5 + 2) * AttackStat * AttackPower / DefenseStat) / 50) + 2) * STAB * Weakness/Resistance * RandomNumber / 100
Not that complicated but more than what IMC is using in ToS
>>122609262
The only saving grace in this game is the control style + overhead look and even then it's not that fun if you're playing anything but swordie.
>>122604265
>you can press exit to prevent it
What do you mean by exit, closing the entire game?
>>122609262
They fuck the game more whenever they try to fix something. We really have to fear Tuesday maintenances.
>3.4k crit
>2.4k crit
my archer have a long way to go to find those missing 1k crit damage.
how to farm mission to only get xp cards ? pls
i really need a few more
>>122609432
>beta extension
I would literally cum
>>122608493
Every bokor I've seen and talked to hated the class, everyone I've talked too about bokor hates the class. Not much else to say about this one.
Dievdirby is/was bugged to hell and back from what I heard, but the only good that looks good about is the 20% cooldown statue, which you only need circle in dievdirby to make good use out of. Rest of the skills aren't worth an extra 2 ranks. Needs an overhaul badly.
The few Sadhus I saw and partied with were far from impressive. Low killing speed compared to the real dps classes and little in the way of massive AoE spells makes it unappealing to me (and apparently to others since I stopped seeing Sadhus altogether after mage tower).
Paladin is a fairly decent "extra damage" option. Smite hits damn hard and you get to use it twice on a very low cooldown. Turn undead is extremely situational, the other 2 abilities are 100% worthless on their own; the 50sp on the regen aura is somewhat decent, but nothing ground shattering. Not sure how Conversion works, but that might be interesting to play around with.
Monk's another damage options, more damage than paladin but less utility. Still nowhere near what a real DPS does, but you can pump out SOME damage. Not sure if monk2 is worth it. Sure energy blast looks amazing, but it's a 1 minute cooldown.
I'll skip Pardoner since another anon talked about it already.
Druid has a good nuke/defensive utility, but the shapechange spells look pretty bad from all that I've seen.
Oracle is complete shit. Death Sentence doesn't work on bosses, Change: Win costs like 5 million to level up, change itself doesn't work half the time. Resetting and clairvoyance suck since they don't help with rare drops: you're better off killing shit faster than you are playing with these two spells.
Death Sentence doesn,t work on bosses, a simple scroll does what prophecy does but better and forecast isn,t needed if you don't suck.
>>122609958
kbetas seem fine though
Feels like the only time they're laughably incompetent is when they're doing something for us.
>>122609615
How long do the stacks last? Would a C2 or C3 Doppel be good with level 10/15 Deeds of Valor? That could reach 150% attack.
>>122608043
Actually Mineloader earlier didn't crash me, even hitting me with it.
The I was with a friend agains that status boss and we crashed, but only after ~10sec of the boss already 2hu-ing both of us
>>122609964
>bomb
>no aoe
I like seeing a bomb above my enemy too, it's a nice image
>>122610150
They might just have to push it back to a higher tier then, because it would be disgustingly overpowered.
Same with Double Pay earn.
>imc - we fuck your shit up
JUST
>>122609471
The whole appeal of building a character in RO was exploring the game to find something that fits your style and compare all of that through some mathematical notions and try to fit your stat distribution in a way that would get you the most bonuses possible by having the stat end on the correct multiple numbers not to waste points (after the extra stats from equipment/cards are applied).
It's hard to believe it's the same people who designed the current system. It looks more like a placeholder system, but I don't want to expect something that won't happen.
>>122608493
>zaibas
>useless
You took 1 rank
You need the 2 ranks of krivis for it to be the god killer it is.
But really you did this to yourself, that build is kill yourself levels of bad
>>122610057
Most of the skills in this game are ruined by shit ass cooldowns.
>>122610150
>>122610391
I'm betting the skill is just capped at five points like resurrection.
>>122607846
>>122610246
Second try.
I love bosses with race against the time mechanics!
Is Elder Rod the best rod simply because it can be awakened to have Fire Attack (like Arde Dagger's)?
>>122610057
>The few Sadhus I saw and partied with were far from impressive. Low killing speed compared to the real dps classes and little in the way of massive AoE spells makes it unappealing to me (and apparently to others since I stopped seeing Sadhus altogether after mage tower).
What the fuck sadhus were you looking at?
Ones that didn't boost their OOB?
Ones that didn't use possession?
Ones that didn't double up attacking with their spirit while attacking/buffing/healing with their body?
If you think that's a shit class then I don't know what to say
While it can't overkill, its damage potential is pretty fucking high, not brbarian, but easily 3k+ every .5s or so
>>122610391
It's 150% attack. It seems great, but attack itself is useless in this game, as skills don't scale off it. It's good for autoattacking, sure, but by the time you get that far (R8) everyone will have killer skills and enough of them to fill any cooldown gap anyway.
>>122610682
best or one of the best.
not because Fire, but because high elemental attack. ice,light,earth... would do the same thing
>>122610682
It's relatively cheap and easy to get ontop of that. It's just a super solid option all around
>>122610852
>skills don't scale off it
classic retard
>>122610982
Read the thread. Skills. Don't. Scale. Damage is autoattack damage+skill damage.
>>122610970
>>122610982
Thanks for the info! I know now what to save up for.
Did we ever come to a consensus on what AoE Attack/Defense Ratio actually does?
I still have no idea.
>>122611062
>autoattack damage
That's not a scaling?
>>122611062
you realize that means skills scale 1:1 off your attack right
you can't be this stupid
>>122611062
You might be retarded
>>122611112
I think it has to do with the limit of monsters you can hit within your attack area. Swordsman has the highest AoE attack ratio.
>>122609471
>>122610459
How does attribute calculated?
Let say i have base attack damage of 100 and my Lv4 skill damage is 100, and attribute damage of 10%. My total damage would be 220 (attribute*total) or 210(attribute*skill+base)?
>two dungeon runs eaten by Gensokyo
>follow suggestion to use windowed and X so I can't see the effect
>worksthe first time, but then the boss uses it again ten seconds later and it crashes before I even see one particle
Market items get eaten
Dungeon runs get eaten
My life gets eaten
Eaten eaten eaten
>>122611168
Jesus. My autoattack hits 100 and my skill damage is 1600. So I hit 1700. HOLY SHIT NICE SCALING. That's not fucking scaling, it's basic addition. It would be scaling if it dealt a percentage of your autoattack. So if skill damage is 800% of my atk, that's scaling. Again, this is like attacking an enemy, removing your weapon and attributes and using your skill right after.
>>122611350
It would be 220. Atribute multiplies on (base damage+skill damage).
Is Reflect Shield a useful skill for a wizard?
I'm level 37 and I've only used it like four times, but I have my pet basically one shotting anything that looks at me funny. So I haven't really gotten a good feel for it.
Is the blue hair achievement bugged? How come nobody has blue hair?
>>122611454
you are literally completely retarded
>have 100 atk
>multishot 15 does 1600 more damage
that's not even mentioning attributes fucking kill yourself you absolute retard
Halp
>>122611454
Grab a dictionary and look for the meaning of scaling, idiot.
>>122611645
You think this game is some kind of anime?
>>122611653
I'm not talking about multi-hit skills. I've already acknowledged in this thread that if the game is as it is all skills will be shit except for multihit ones. But that's not proper balancing either way, and the majority of your damage is still base skill damage.
>>122611062
He really is a retard.
>>122611627
It's pretty strong. At lv5 it reduces the damage you take by 25+Spr and deals that amount to the enemy, but most importantly it prevents you from getting interrupted during casts. It's probably the most useful thing you can get from Wizard C1.
>>122611887
and you are still completely retarded because the skill still do scale, stop using words you don't understand the meaning of if it's too complicated for you
>>122609471
>>122609743
>>122609120
>>122607919
>>122607946
How can I come up with something like this? I work as a VFX and 3D artist and just recently got into Unity and game development in general. I would like to try making a very basic damage system, problem is I haven't even touched a calculus book since highschool, where do I begin? I mean what kind of maths should I look into?
>>122611627
My most used skill from the wizard tree, hands down.
>>122610057
Conversion seems broken.
My converted mobs don't do anything other than moving a few centimeters from their original positions. No attacks, no following, nothing.
>>122611745
Discussing semantics is retarded and beyond the point. You understand the point, arguing whether or not the wording was the best is a good way to waste your time.
>>122611880
I think this game is 2hu
>>122612147
Well over half the shit in this game is broken, including basic player interaction. So yes, I would believe it.
>>122611993
Good grief, who fucking cares about the words? They don't scale in a traditional sense within the context of MMORPGs. The wording doesn't fucking matter, what matters is that it makes little difference for most skills. Call me retarded, but you're the idiot arguing for the sake of it.
>>122612001
I would suggest to start with pen and paper RPGs. You can further elaborate from that.
>>122612517
>skills literally scale
>no but they don't scale the same of game x so they don't scale
fucking kill yourself, go make some retarded posts of tos forums
>>122609964
Did you find out more information on their character to see what was so different?
>>122612690
I explained how they work. If you're too dull to understand and want to keep on arguing semantics, go fuck yourself. Quite the irony for you to mention tos forums when you're doing exactly as they do there, completely ignoring the point to address trivialities.
is this thing not in our client? http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/122106/
gives 115 holy dmg on awaken, nice low level memememelander
MOTHERFUCKING TOUHOU BULLETS ARE CLOSING THE FUCKING GAME THESE GOOKS ARE COMPLETE IMBECILES THEY CAN'T CODE FOR SHIT
>it's actually impossible to get through a dungeon or advance the main quest anymore
I think it goes without saying that kissing, cuteposting, and finding a suitable mate before the beta ends are the only things left to do now. Everyone get in.
I'm amazed at the amount of retards in shout talking like they are on 4chan or reddit. Lots of senpai, meme, even some keks and everyone is ironic as fuck all the time. I don't like this.
Wrathful harpeia in demon prison district 2? Go crash your game senpai.
How do you awaken things?
>>122612954
it's not semantics, you are literally retarded
there's no traditional way of scaling, every fucking game has different rules, you are just a complete dumbass
you didn't explain anything, everyone already knows how things work yet you are still here spouting retarded shit like "skills don't scale off atk" which is blatantly wrong information and you are trying to pass it off as "semantics"
kill
yourself
>>122612001
>I mean what kind of maths should I look into?
Calculus, but plotting these kind of more difficult functions is mostly done with the assistance of a computer. I think econometrics could also help you lad. I'm not an expert in neither of those, but I believe you have to know beforehand what will be relevant in it, the variables. For example in that pokemon formula I posted, level is important, so naturally a lvl 100 pikachu would do more damage than a lvl 50 one with everything else being the same, (the stats, move base attack defender's everything). You have to think how these things will scale and what would be nice to take in consideration in the formula.
>>122613014
It's like global chat in any game. Don't use it, toggle off the ticker at the top and forget it exists.
>>122612995
Will I get a kiss before the beta ends?
>>122612995
Nothing left to do but just grind mobs or funpost. The funny thing is that party chat is still fucking broken, too.
>>122613014
Gabija is the official plebbit, c.uckchan, and cripplechan server, what did you expect?
>>122613014
>paying attention to shout
I've turned that shit off since day 1
>>122613014
I miss when irony wasn't mainstream
>>122613124
>it's not semantics
>go look into a dictionary
>>122611062
>>122611454
>>122611887
>>122612517
>>122612954
Go be a retard somewhere else.
>>122613014
Gabija is literally the 4chan server. Normies are in the minority.
idk whats happening in this story but its getting intense.
i'm sure someone on here is following along with the story. is it any good?
>>122613014
4chan/reddit speak is low class in general anywhere everywhere
>>122613492
I don't think anyone is following it, anon.
>>122613492
Your meme broke.
>>122613492
>i'm sure someone on here is following along with the story. is it any good?
I want to fuck a goddess.
Any tips?
>>122613306
>implying that was me
not even mentioning how that guy is still right you are completely retarded and apparently 2+ people calling you out on it isn't enough
i'm glad people this stupid exist so i don't feel too bad about myself
>>122605724
Doesn't Twitch have rules or something? Can't you just type !!Twitch is forfaggots and then report his stream.
>>122613656
>i'm glad people this stupid exist so i don't feel too bad about myself
Glad that works for you.
I don't get how the damage for this skill is calculated. Zolem is plate whereas Claymore does prierce (what the fuck IMC) damage, so I believe this is neutral
>without meme dagger
crit first hit did 1200ish damage, second did 2500ish
>with meme dagger
2700 on the second crit hit (aka the actual explosion)
is collar bomb bugged? I swear to god over half the times it doesnt work
>>122613749
sick cumback m8
Does Cafrisun, memedaggers, blessing, and sacrament works on Sappers trap skills?
>>122613846
it is really a shitty skill, the concept is kinda nice though
>holding down ALT shows you items on the floor
shieeet
>>122613846
>>122613986
same like Rangers Time Bomb.
>>122613901
blessing and memedagger obviously
sacrament and cafrisun no because they're not autoattacks
Just got to sorc andthe SP drain problematic - I researched the passive 10 times, but I'm slowly running out of cash, potions don't help too much and I'm considering switching to a sage wall + eyestra.
Any other advice ?
>>122614064
why isn't this on by default
is there an option in the files somewhere I can turn that on?
Got my hands on this. I'll try it out and test results.
>>122614064
literally every RPG ever
>>122613797
What mob did you test it on?
>>122614263
Almost had me there, thought it was Brandish for a second.
>>122613846
You have to be really close to the target, have it targeted, facing it, and have no other mobs nearby. Then you only have like a 10% chance of it resisting.
>>122614337
Zolem
>>122613797
NICE CASH
>hit 161
>haven't seen a blue mob at all since leveling
>find 2 within a half hour of each other
>one of them was a Harugal
There is a god.
>>122614343
That would've been too good to be true.
what's the most meme class with their own buffs + equipment
as in character with the most additonal attack properties
>>122614161
Summons need to do at least 2-4x the damage and constantly use their boss skills without having to manually cast them while mounted to be worth it. I grind faster with fireballs than summons, and I've got a 5 star templeshooter card.
>>122614161
Having your summon up prevents you from having your SP recovering. Pretty useless when in battle since I don't think it affects how much you recover from potions.
Thing is, its actually better if you have LESS SP, since the way summons drain your SP is by 1% every 2-3 seconds. This way you can sustain your SP with potions.
Other than that you have to be kind of conservative of the skills you use along with having the summon you have up so you can sustain your SP.
>>122609964
they are archer c3 so its possible lv15 oblique, i'm archer c3 with +8 bone bow and full str lv 1 oblique 1 hits these mobs w/o a crit, so your damage seems pretty low
>>122614423
that's the cost to pay by being an archer
Anybody who is dangerously uncute who wants a free pair of Chubacabra ears on Gajiba? Since the beta is ending soon I might as well give away all these spares
>>122613492
>tfw cannot anal qt3.14 Gabija
>>122614709
Paladin?
>>122614724
>>122614749
My temple shooter already outdamages my autoattacks, and could probably speed up my exp gain if I could manage my SP better.
Shame I roasted my gems, that -SP could had been useful.
Thank you for the answers !
>>122614812
juset reset to full dex to try it, and my crits do less damage then my white with full str, 1700 crits vs 2k white with full str
>>122614263
It's doing less alright. Considerably. 650 damage average, 760 crits, while my Geras+Karacha do 750 normals and 1k crits. Of course, the Elements isn't improved, so maybe it'll be better once I refine and gem it.
>>122614337
I think I got it, it's exaclty what it says: 3x450+424 being roughly the 1682 non crit hit I got, but I didn't know the arde dagger attack was added after everything
>>122614423
I'm poor, each claymore costing 300 doesn't help at all
>2 channels
>lots of mobs untouched
I wish I can solo this demon prison grind but I can't. And the couple party I saw just ignore me.
Okay back to 1 channel now after crash. Fuck IMC.
>nine runs, still no dagger
Kill me
>>122613797
>>122614337
450 attack (
Skill: 300% + 424
Zolem's defense: 144
450*3 + 424 = 1774 - 144 = 1630
Crit = 2445 + 92 Critical Attack = 2537 total damage. Which is around the first 2500 you got.
Then meme dagger adds 153 to that, so 2653, which is close to 2700 (some extra from max attack).
When should I pop my lvl3 cards?
I'm lv 56 right now
>>122614896
I was supposed to ask earlier too but I just forgot. I've got 2 Glasses and about 6 doggy ears, if anyone wants them.
>>122615523
199
>>122615467
I had 21 runs till my first dagger, 35 runs total and only 1 meme dagger
>mfw people who got two daggers on two runs
>>122615523
When will this meme stop ?
I used all my cards up to the level 7 ones as soon I got them. Had no trouble, outside a little boring grind (2-3 hours) at 85 and 126, but that's about all
>>122614896
That's really nice of you. :3
>>122615651
>mfw people who got two daggers on two runs
I was one of those people.
But now I cannot seem to get another one no matter how hard I try.
>>122615505
>Crit = 2445
where this number come from?
>>122615505
They say this skill starts as garbage but gets good later on because it scales nicely.
>>122615695
It gets more out of hand every time. Soon people will be saving their level 1s.
>>122615505
Yeah, It's weird how simple the damage formula is. I still don't get where the 900ish (1200~1300ish on a crit, expected I guess) of the first hit comes from, maybe from the secondary attack?
>>122615702
there's no point of hoarding things when it all gets wiped in a week anyway, and there were people who gave out meme daggers here too, just doing my best to keep everyone cute
>>122615865
Critical hit = 1.5*base attack + crit attack.
>>122615865
1630x1.5
Are parties/dungeons working?
pls rspnd
>>122615651
I got 4 daggers in ~30 runs, gave away all of them.
>>122615467
You want it for yourself, right? I'll buy you one if you post your character!
>>122615959IMC will soon announce an extended closed beta and there won't be a wipe going in to the next closed betamy uncle works at imc pls believe me
>>122615885
>anon pls ! i soon grinded enough to hit 150 ! can i now use all my Lv1 card or will i screw up !?!?!
>>122616193
> parties
Yes
>dungeons
Kinda. They do work, but people's games have been crashing when a boss uses the pellet shooting attack
>>122616204
I'm onZemyna though.Don't mind me, I'll get one eventually
>>122616213
>the current state of this game
You should tell your uncle to stop fucking everything up.
>>122616213
>implying they care about us as much as they care about the Korean server
Okay everyone IS /cute/ here right
Like it's not just me
>>122615912
Is that 900 with or without meme dagger?
Because secondary attack is 294, which would be 882 without the added +424.
On critical it would be around 1300. Which exactly matches those numbers, but that is considering no meme dagger.
Then, if we consider that the extra damage (+424) is not applied, then we can assume that any extra damage will be ignored as well, and this would include meme dagger.
>>122616369
>Zemyna
Sorry anon. You'll get one soon I'm sure
>>122616412
I don't understand MMO design, but what is the reason why the Korean Server's and the International Servers game data aren't the exact same?
>>122616684
Of course, I just don't post about it every two minutes.
>>122616213
Even if they did, I'm sure they want a break to fix the server/client first.
lfg dungeon 90
>>122611928
dont forget it keeps you from getting 1 shot. Damage that would have killed you it leaves you out of health but alive
>>122616749
I'm a layman as well, so I'm not sure. I suspect they deliberately wanted to keep some things differently in our server still, such as the exp/drop rates, and that ended up triggering problems.
>>122613319
The retards can't comprehend that they're beloved autoattack doesn't have a damage attribute and will be SUBPAR and outdated in future patches.
>>122616983
I'm up for it if you're on Zemyna, my last run until reset
>>122617085
>they're
>>122616983
Make one of your colored parties, I'm sure people will rush to join you.
>>122617154
You
>>122616689
Wait, nvm. It has to be with meme dagger.
Because 882 (300% secondary attack) + 153 (meme dagger) = 1,035 - 144 (mob defense) = 891. Close to 900.
On crit = (882 - 144)*1.5 = 1107 + 153 = 1260. Between 1200 and 1300.
So only the extra damage is ignored.
>>122607946
I think this is a good system, it adds an extra dynamic to mutihit attacks or huge single hit attacks.
It could well be that multihit attacks do more damage in general as we see with the memedagger set stacking and multihits, but then you get some enemies with massive amounts of armor, and you need someone with big single hit attacks to damage them.
I like it because it can allow them to make a system where the build you have made is not strong in every situation, meaning you need diversity to overcome stuff. Imagine if there was a dungeon that had a bunch of high hitpoint low defense enemies that you needed high multihit dps to kill quickly, but right next to them were heavily armored low hitpoint things that those same characters only did like 1 damage per hit to?
its dynamic.
Is anyone playing a class with 300+ SPR?
>>122616689
I just got 1264 on a crit without the dagger, so (1264-92)/1.5 = 781. You also have to consider the 1.08 multiplier from the attribute I guess
>>122617237
Yeah, spot on.
>not a single thread about meme dagger in the feedback forums
Well, I guess everyone is happy with how it works then.
>>122617307
That makes no sense, the multihit with +every element will still hit harder because they will have +a gorillion element damage added on to their 1 damage hits, whereas the single big hit will just have whatever element damage added once to a relatively subpar hit.
>>122617437
There will be tons of threads about itwhen it gets fixed
anyone for demon prison 2 grind?
>>122617437
I wonder how overpowered they would be if we had percentage based skills or if the +153 added attack it gives came before the crit multiplier
So, did they extend the beta duration or..?
>>122617589
District 2 or 2nd prison?
>>122617540
>yfw it gets changed so it only affects your attacks with the memedagger itself
>>122613797
if you get arbalest and awaken it, you get some extra meme dmg
>>122617691
+1 week
>>122617697
2nd prison
I think I have to grind out the entirety of 182. Hold me.
>>122617437
well it's the only way some classes are viable so it's fine
>>122617708
Unless they change how +elemental damage works this won't happen. There are tons of +elemental damage effects on equipment that aren't weapons.
>>122617307
The issue is that it's insanely difficult to balance this to make things work like you've mentioned. And it's underwhelming not to see progress on your skills as you advance. This is one of the top complaints people have about the game.
Also, I've read somewhere that critical hits ignore defense like in Ragnarok, so as long as you have a high critical rate, multihits should win (I haven't tested this though). Critical is also a better form of scaling, because it will always be 50% on the final damage, and that gets even better with attributes, while weapon attack/str will always just add some flat damage like meme dagger.
It's just too complicated to manage things as they are, and IMC hasn't shown to be any competent to handle this so far.
>>122617437
it's not like the memedagger is unique or anything, it was just the only thing you could get at level 75 for FREE until Alchemist started Awakening things. There are plenty of higher level meme daggers too.
>>122617437
literally who cares about a level 90 item on a fucking 500 levels game lmao
Would this be a better system?
Okay I'm fucking retarded how do I do this quest? its saying to collect ice shit which I but I don't get why it says the essence is already summoned
>>122618072
Crit doesn't ignore defense at all.
>>122618159
That quest is bugged.
>>122618072
>while weapon attack/str will always just add some flat damage like meme dagger.
So meme dagger is like having a dagger with +150 STR? Nice.
>>122618289
Fucking christ
>>122617810
Gabija? If you have heals, I don't mind joining.
>>122618159
That's actually not the device you use. The device you use gets bugged and disappears from the server once someone uses it. That quest can only be done once per server restart.
>>122618304
yep, it's basically a free level 50 attribute Blessing, which you can also use while you have Blessing. God dammit are Meme Priests strong
1-3 Wugushi
4-6 Scout
7-9 Sapper
0 Quarrel Shooter
>>122618187
That's good to hear then. It worked nice in ragnarok but in this game that would be pretty broken.
Is it safe to put things on the market yet?
>>122618153
is this not the exact same system but with no cap?
no cap would be stupid
>>122618304
>So meme dagger is like having a dagger with +150 STR
not really, it just adds +153 to every damage you do after all calculations have been done.
>>122618072
>I've read somewhere that critical hits ignore defense like in Ragnarok
I guess it doesn't ignore def, considering the calculations an anon made some posts up there
>>122618159
I completely missed this quest. Those precious exp cards.
>>122618153
I dont know if it would be better but this is what i expected when i started the game
>>122618428
Rolling pain?
>>122618501
Yes, it's fixed.At the cost of breaking other things.
>>122618304
It's not like that at all, since +150 STR would actually be less damage than the elemental formula applied for the meme dagger.
They really put a lot of thought into this balance and itemization thing.
>>122618534
Its a mission from the Fedimian outpost not a normal quest in the area.
>>122617510
If you have an attack that does 300 damage 5 times, and an attack that does 1.5k damage a bunch of times
and have +200 element damage added, but the enemies have 400 armor, then the multihit will do only 500 damage, where the big hit will do 1.3k
>I fell asleep in my Demon Prison Grind group
I'm never going to make it to 200.
What do I do with necroventer cubes?
>>122618708
Open and enjoy your talt
>>122618153
I think there should be a limit. Other than that I love the system. This is how I thought the game would be at first.
>>122618505
I personally hate making alts, Having everything in one character would be great even if it means grinding for months.
Zemyna's Fedimian is ded.
>>122618698
Is this tested? I thought element was applied after all damage.
>>122618685
On that note does anyone have a list of the quests that give exp cards?
>>122618708
Open for meme dagger
Dulla up on ch 2
>>122618946
I only hate making alts because this game is fucking horrible for making alts because of how leveling/questing works.
>>122618946
I really enjoyed having everything on one character in FFXIV. That was a good two years.
>>122618153
Lets change it to "You can keep picking classes until rank whatever number is in the final version" and you have got a winner here.
That doesnt fix the problem that all the skills are flat damage instead of % based thou.
>>122619187
>peltasta + paladin
>tfw I'll never have an actual paladin
>>122619070
>dulla
>2 or 3 times crash at dulla cuz IMC fucked our shit up
no thx
>>122618946
the thing is it takes so long to get to level cap and the exp curve is so intense that realistically you would only get half of a rank out of it
>>122619098
PSO2 spoiled me on that matter too, even if I have to shell out a few dollars for the mags/trees.
>>122619070
Thanks mate, I know where to avoid now.
Why are parties still broken
>>122617959
they just need to add "on hit" poof problem fixed
>>122619187
They can still make drastic changes, right? Wasn't it like little more than a month ago when they allowed us to go back and get previous rank classes? Maybe they can still change things.
>>122619589
that depends, how are the koreans reacting to the current systems? maybe if they whined enough
So, already tried a good bunch of the swordsman and cleric classes. Since I'm not touching archer what's a good/fun wizard build to try?
>>122619589
But that was a simple yes/no change.
>>122619589
I dont know man, that seems like it would take just a little bit of coding to change, but an overhaul of how damage works on the skills of all classes seems more unlikely.
Doesnt mean that it cant happen though
anon, i will give free_Gem_Jobs andAwakesif you teach me the magical way to farm xp cards with missions. i really need them to hit 186
>>122618956
nothing has 400 armor. I was putting forward an idea on how to make it balanced with out being overly complicated. I dont know how added damage is calculated, but it doesnt matter because nothings armor is enough to totaly mitigate your base damage to the point it would start cutting into the elemental damage afterwards anyway.
Is there anything more useless than a 15multishot archer3?
anyone for 2nd demon prison? place looks pretty empty
>>122619589
I think it will happen eventually if this game doesn't die within the first year, but I doubt it will happen before release.
>>122620080
but thats a 16x damage multiplier
archer is the only base class worth taking to 3, and apart from cleric the only base class with skills that are actually not useless after a hundred levels or so.
>>122620036
Ah, I see what you mean now.
>>122620081
Ded gaem
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What are alchs charging for for pots/roasting/awakening? Curious what kind of dosh they're making. I'm also curious if the increasing number of alchs has caused undercutter games to set in yet.
>>122617085
>in future patches
Nigga, I play archer. My autoattack is so shit that I have a stat build centered around turning a skill into my autoattack. Future patches, sheeeeit.
What would be the best path for a Fencer?
1. Sword -> Highlander -> Barbarian C3 -> Fencer?
or
2. Sword -> Peltasta -> Barbarian C3 -> Fencer?
>>122620081
I think most people on this level range are quitting because they realized it's not easy and since we're in the last days they won't get close to the level cap.
>>122620301
always go peltasta1
always
its just not worth not doing italways
>>122619967
I'm working on figuring it out right now
>>122620256
Stop being so entitled.
Archers already got a significant STR buff.
>>122620394
Because of Based Swashbuckling and the Evasion Attribute of Guardian, huh?
Is it really that good?
>tfw you made 6m from grinding in demon prison for the past 2 days
oy vey
>>122620301
I think the consensus right now is that highlander is indeed crap and you always want to have swashbuckling for farming later.
>>122620431
Physical damage increased by 1. :^)
>>122620301
Highlander gives you nothing, don't bother with it.
>>122620527
It only took almost a month for the people here to stop bitching about how Highlanders are so amazing.
>>122620431
Pffffffffffffffft.
You're rusing me, right? The only thing that makes archers viable is level 15 multishot. There is a class tree revolving entirely around "if you did anything other than archer c3 enjoy being shit".
Meanwhile every other class has actual options.
>>122620527
what about for corsair
or is the sword c2 meme actually real
>>122620527
the only time you wouldn't want it is if you're making a 2h-only class, since weapon swapping removes the buff that lets you have more enemies aggro'd, making swashbuckling near useless.
>>122620673
>archer3
I love this meme
>>122620779
>>122620779
new cute girls
>>122620516
swashbuckling is the reason you do it
the evasion thing is just a way to not feel like you are wasting an entire circle on a single skill
On the upside your other pelt skills do help you get to level 75 so you can memedagger. Its better to use a +crit gem in a shield than a twohander once you take barbarian1, since twohanders are shit, and silver falchion exists.
Im currently doing just that, after having played a barblander before.
You will feel slightly weaker from about level 35 to barbarian2. But its still a hell of a lot better than leveling as any non sword class.
>>122613492
It's really hard to want to follow it with how absolute garbage the translation is and how poor the text is, but the actual plot itself is somewhat interesting. The amount of fucking times you get tricked into doing something for someone evil is kind of silly though, it's like at least once every 30 levels.
>>122620527
>>122620650
>>122620754
Alright then. I will test it a little bit. Thanks, anons.
>>122620806
Name one archer build that does better than archer c3 + anything. Go on, I'll wait.
>>122620745
The only reason s2 b2 c2 is so good is because it can capitalize off of the boosts from okay conc, high Frenzy and +element damage. Corsair gets fuck all from Highlander, why would you ever want it?
>>122620806
Quality criticism
>>122620847
Rexipher best historian.
>>122620824
Well, I am maining a Monk, but I want to make a Fencer just for the fancy suit and rapiers.
On that note, what is the general consensus for the path of a Rodelero?
>>122620853
try out different builds
>>122621185
i don't need 200+ icoins for that
>>122621110
Consensus is it's lackluster. Dps is lacking compared to other swordies and only shines in C3, the nice control skills don't work with bosses. Shield bash doesn't work in PvP. Slithering doesn't work at all. Targe Smash is great but needs very specific positioning to hit all mobs.
>>122621346
try out every build
After Mage Tower it tells me to go to Kateen Forest but I already cleared all those maps, what do?
Any of you cuties on Saule going Sorc and want some monster cards? I have a bunch on my abandoned Thaumaturge just rotting.
>>122613093
Suck an alchemist's girldick for it
>>122621616
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gR6EsXylYtBXN3yAMqGhHkv9urtKO_PNiyKeUuxcAhg/
check if you've done every map within recommended level.
>>122621391
Well, there goes my dream of destroying mobs with shields.
I miss the Paladin's Shield Chain.
>>122621616
just keep levelling, you'll get a new story quest pop up in your log eventually. I forgot what the actual lvl req was
>>122621981
So do I. It may be good in C3 though, but I don't think anyone had the patience to get there.
>>122622075
You know what? I will do it on release after finishing my Monk. May the shields be cleansed with the blood of the mobs.
>>122622220
I may give it a shot too. Good luck!
fuck you memelander
>>122622220
>>122622320
You'll get better AoE damage with barb or cata.
1h weapons have short reach (except spears), and rodel skills have low attack modifiers.
First hand impressions of rodel:
Targe smash damage is underwhelming compared to barb's AoE skills, but has 3 overheat uses.
Montano can be used with ANY WEAPON, and is basically a guaranteed stun and slow debuff.
Montano's ability to stun crowds is gimped by its 0 AoE ratio bonus.
Alternating Montano and Shield Shoving gives you a stun lock chain on mooks.
I only have C1, so I can't comment on Shield Bash/Shooting Star/High Kick, sorry.
Psychokino is horrible, even with Cryomancer it's squishy as hell and does shit damage
>>122620673
>Archer3 is the only viable path for archer
>level 15 multishot fuckery
>full SPR
This is usually what gets trotted out, including advice such as "use multishot as AOE."
It's fucking awful.
I am about finished testing my Elements spear.
Untouched, it was doing some 650 damage, with less than 800 crits. Using a full DEX build.
After refinining it to +5, and putting 1 lvl5 yellow gem(+crit attack) in it, damage went up to 750s, with 100 damage crit.
In other terms, it does about the same as my +7 Geras Spear, with 2x lvl4 yellow gems in it. I can still over-upgrade the Elements, and it has 2 more slots to put into.
it's an excellent 2h spear. Easily one of the best Orange Recipes, and the single best 2H spear. Save the Galin Spear for bosses.
I am out of money to finish enhancing it, but i'll most certainly put another 2x Lvl5 Yellow Gems in it, and maybe get it to +8 if I can. It'll cost several more millions, but it'll be worth it.
Till what level do I do the level 50 dungeon again? 65?
>>122623751
anywhere between 60 and 70
>>122618990
Its completely RNG as to what your reward is.
>>122619342
>yfw every time the server crashes a dullahan channel, he just respawns his jar right away
>>122623950
Ok so I'll just stay there then. Thanks.
>Do all my runs
>No dagger
>>122620417
>>122619967
Make party
Check quest
Abanond quest
Abandon party
Rinse repeat until exp cards
Karin is still a shit
>>122583838
I'd settle for hunter 2
Archer 2, Hunter 2, then Rogue, or Fletcher, or Wugu 2, don't go reiter, falconer is garbage too and you can't have 2 pets at the same time.
>>122624340
I don't get this, should't you accomplish the quest first before getting an EXP Card? if you abandoned it you wouldn't get a single EXP Card.
>>122624340
You can't get away with that for very long since you'll be offered the same reward each time you check a specific npc until you do that quest. Not all quests are made equally.
>>122624540
Missions work like dailies in this game. They are based on your party and what the reward given is, is 100% RNG. So remaking the party after seeing the reward swaps up the daily to the next possible outcome.
>>122624689
It should reroll everything every time you do a reset. Its all based on party ID
Poorly coded kusoge
>Cleric > Dievdirby
>Broke and doesn't work
>reroll Cleric > Priest > Monk
>Fucking sucks
>Reroll again to Cleric > Bokor
>Fucking sucks even worse
Should've just played memelander
>>122587935
they have better stats than normal zombies? or they're just cosmetic?
>>122596808
I'm playing Eloa
it isn't so bad
much more limited than this, but it's very casual to hit max level, it just released today so it's very active, and the pvp formats are more developed than ToS.
>>122625597
Isn't it also terrible with lag?
>>122623456Roast your gems
>>122623456
i dont play cata/war, can you tell me why galin is better for bosses?
What swordsman circle is the best to go only 1 circle of? (Excluding swordsman, peltasta and any rank 6 class)
>>122610057
>every bokor hated the class
What a load of bullshit I love my bokor, unique mechanics, badass grinding potential, and it was great against bosses but hexing is temporarily fucked.
My only complain is bwa kamiyan forcing you to keep the skill button pressed, so it becomes somewhat tiresome to grind for a couple of hours. As long as the choo choo damage scales and is viable at 250 the first 2 bokor circles are totally worth it.
Most people hate it because they expected the zombies to be some sort of auto botting mechanics, thankfully it isn't or we'd be infested by hordes of zombies in every zone just idling.
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