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Who was kyle?
>>345281205
Nothing is stopping him from recreating Luna, Lagomorph and Kyle.
Also why is Delta's Quantum computer so much better than the one Sigma invented?
You all know that you are shitters, correct?
>>345281769
>Nothing is stopping him from recreating Luna, Lagomorph and Kyle.
They won't be the same.
>>345281836
We've gone off-topic.
Isn't it always going to be case with shifters that since they can keep moving around to different histories that they will at worst always achieve what they want? Like Dio being sent to stop the AB project (though Zero wanted it to succeed), wouldn't that be impossible to stop it since with shifters around they can keep trying an infinite number of times until they get one which succeeds? Like wise with stopping the Radical-6 plan, since they have infinite number of trials, it guarantees they will find at least one history which stops it. Which pretty much means shifters are hacks which can stop anything?
>>345281898
Think back on your path to this very moment.
>>345281864
well Kyle can shift
and Luna and Lagomorph are basically just like Sean so as long they exist in the quantum computer they exist in all timelines
Anyone got a link to the last thread?
Is Sean a shifter because the original Sean was a shifter or did Delta merely design him to be one? Who did Gab belong to?
>>345265225
999 = The Matrix
VLR = The Matrix Reloaded
ZTD = Matrix Revolutions
>>345282903
Sean is not technically a shifter, he's connected to the quantum computer which is connected to all the timelines.
Why bother with the poison segment? It was totally pointless.
>>345283387
Everything was pointless. Have sigma and phi shift like retards till thry all develop shifting powers.
>>345281401
G A B B U
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>>345283069
Matrix revolutions has at least a better ending.
Haven't been in one of these threads for a couple of days
Did young Sigma get to shift back to end game Sigma or is end game Sigma forever old Sigma?
>>345281401
Kyle SHIFTed to the wrong body.
>>345284014
I'd wager Old Sigma will remain in True End™ Sigma.
>>345284014
There is no young Sigma, that young Sigma goes and becomes Old Sigma and since this happens before the timelines start splitting he doesn't have any place to go back.
Old Sigma stays in the true ending
>>345284014
Team D didn't get epilogues for whatever reason, so we'll never know
Just finished the game.
Eric was the only good thing about it.
Post how you would have fixed it
>The revelation about there only being one ward comes like halfway through so we get actual dialogue between the teams
I hate that budget constrained this game so much
>>345285026
Why were his eyes purple
>>345285260
MyMOVESare... complex.
>>345285243
This meme is beatiful.
>>345283202
Then what was the blue spirit thing at the end?
>>345285260
You are all SHITTERs
>>345284965
Did that trick ever even mean anything?
To fix it I would:
>Zero is not a member of any team
>Remove alien machine
>Flow chart is now like VLR, no fragments
>10x as many puzzles
>Give Zero a motive that actually makes fucking sense
Sowhy did Delta specifically call himself "The Second Zero"?
He didn't have any direct involvement/relationship with Akane's Nonary Game.
>>345284965
Kyle is in the quantum computer
The Force Quit box actually does something unexpected and terrifying, it was the biggest mystery of the game and all that ended up happening was Diana blowing everyone up again
>>345285810
It was important because it let them all meet up, it gave Mira the ability to murder Junpei and most importantly it let Carlos travel back ten months.
Mostly it was just stupid because it felt like for all the weight it got it was relevant to, like, one piece of the plot. Mira being the killer was barely even a factor, Ace going insane and evil and murdering people was genuinely unexpected and terrifying and Dio murdering people and planting bombs actually had a huge impact on the story but Mira doesn't really seem like she has either one going for her
>>345285810
You couldn't understand his motives.
>>345286103
He's a "Mind Hacker". He apparently knew aboutAkanebeing Zero #1 despite not knowing who the fuck the8 billion killer terrorist is.
>>345286103
Rhizome-9 wasn't directly related to Akane's game but Lagomorph called himself Zero III anyway
>>345286315
exceptAkane worked alongside Sigma when developing Lagomorph- the AB project was spearheaded by her, Sigma just did all the lifting.
>>345286306
Well, he did create the first Nonary game, using Ace and Cradle as his proxy, so he would've known about Akane. The whole point of the terrorist is he is separate from the shifting world, so they don't know him. He could be literally anybody. Which is why the idea he is the other Carlos is so stupid.
>>345286562
Pretty sure everyone who has said that was joking
>>345283941
Debatable.
>>345285260
Zero Escape: Dancing All Night.
>>345287115
Zero Escape: Tournament FighterAce vs Dio would be fun.
>>345287008
Why do you think that?
>>345281401
The security guard, obviously.this will be the actual answer in the q&a
>>345287265
>REEE ONLY I CAN CAUSE JUNPEI'S DEATH
>>345284965
> Akane is not a participant but still has a big role
> Special files that act as side plot, explain Akane's thought process and how it broke her
> Twist using Sigma and Kyle swapping used to outsmart
> Less bootstraps
> Brother clones himself so he can be at multiple eras possible
>Delta literally couldn't see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch
>>345287395
There was just something about Revolutions that rubbed me the wrong way but it's been years; I might have to watch all of them again.
>>345286562
I already know that Carlos being the fanatic is only a meme theory, but I'm confused by some of your wording..
>Literally anybody
>Separate from the shifting world
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction? And does being a shifter inherently mean that they'd know him if he was...?
>>345284063
Why did Akane have to kill Cap'n Crunch?
Why not send a SHIFTER from the timeline in which the "terrorist" is caught and his identity is known to other timelines that don't know?
>>345288557
The metaphorical shifting world. He isn't an established or easily known character, but is a new element in the mythos that is mostly unknown. Slight misuse of literally, but if you understand what I meant by the separation, you should hopefully understand I mean anybody but the people we know.Sorry for the vague wording.
>>345288724
Cap'n Crunch never crunch-a-tized her.
If aksys changed claydolls to myrmidons for no other reason than it sounding off in the translation, then why the fuck didn't they give a better name to mind hack? I guess they not doing it give us the meme but it could have helped taking the ability more seriously.
>>345281401
When the fuck will that hack do a q/a and tell us what happen to kyle?
>>345290213
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>>345287836
Is that the one with the fucking dance party they had?
That part was fucking retarded.
>>345290213
Didn't the main localizer guy who did VLR leave? Uchi was talking about they had a million email exchanges where they asked him about every little thing for that game.
>>345290213
It shouldn't have a name at all.
>>345290213
>claydolls to myrmidons
for what purpouse
>>345290879
They just said it sounded less threatening than Myrmidons.
>>345290879
I think this was answered in a Q&A of VLR and the answer was along the lines of sounding bad for English speakers, they searched for an alternative and we got myrmidons.
Why was Betty such a cunt?
>>345291204
Her memes were ancient, it was time for her to go.
>>345291204
Not like Alex. What a polite robot.
Alright /v/, let's come up with a ZE All-Star 2D fighter. Cast your roster:
>Santa
Rushdown+zoner hybrid. Uses gun with 6 bullets per round, no reloads. Final bullet is unblockable.
>999 Clover
Uses axe, rekka character. Has good mixups.
>999 Akane
Plays like A.B.A. from Guilty Gear XXAC+R. Has to balance between June Mode (weak) and Zero Mode (strong).
>ZTD Akane
Uses chainsaw. Low mobility, but has good mix-ups+cross-ups, easy hit-confirms.
>Seven
Your typical grappler, I guess.
>Ace
Knife-user. Some of his normals have Special-like properties in that they cause chip dmg. His moves have high recovery but good startup and damage, making him able to punish misplays/whiffs. I'm thinking he's like Fritz from Akatsuki Blitzkampf.
>Dio
Rushdown with strong okizeme setups with his antimatter bombs, kinda like Millia Rage from GG.
>K
Not sure, I guess rushdown+grappler-like abilities? Like Bullet from BlazBlue.
>Carlos
Resident Shoto character, the Ryu of ZE. His 'fireballs' are actually just SHIFT auras that emanate from his masculinity.
Anything else to add, /v/?
>>345291967
>Kyle
Permanent invisibility
>>345291967
You need alternate costumes.
>>345291967
don't forget Phi's endless Rider kicks
>>345291204
i wanted to kick betty's ass
So what did Delta do after Q End 2, when it was just him and Diana in the Quantum Computer Room?
>>345291967
>no Shotgun and Choke Eric
>>345292550
Eric always got the shotgun.
>>345281769
124 years + TRANSPORTAH
>>345292907
I'm convinced Delta put some kind of magnetic implant in Eric's body that pulls shotguns towards him
I'm glad the animators took the time to have Eric do a gleeful murder jig.
>>345293046
Shotgun... Shotgun is my angel...
>>345295030
WHO KILLED SHOTGUN
What the fuck am I supposed to do in this robot room now that I've got the robots booted up.
Note 2 says White Red Blue but I ain't seeing that shit anywhere.
>>345295393
Did you press the button on the bomb thing?
>>345295602
Every time I've clicked it on Sigma and Phi go "DON'T TOUCH IT," but I just clicked on it again and this time it did something.
It's weird, I got enough repeat messages to think it was something else. Thanks though.
>>345295739
Same thing happened to me.
>Guy with a quantum computer doesn't know the identity of a terrorist
This didn't make much sense to me. The only way I could see it happening is if there was some major fuckery going on, like another power in the vein of MINDHACK. Like quantum invisibility or something. Or a guy having his own personal morphogenetic field that can't be accessed by anyone else, or perhaps doing his thinking in his own quantum computer. Or possibly, the mentioned terror attack only happens as the result of a SHIFT, so it's impossible to tell how it happens before it does
>tfw I can finally join the black bar generals
What a ride. Thank you based Uchikoshi
>>345296212
>Thank you
oh boy
What happened to the "you" character at the end of VLR?
Bliken or whatever it was?
>>345296212
important video for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>345296212
You know Vita has a screenshot function right?PlayStation button + Start
>>345296418
I think he said that it was never meant to be an actual character, more like a breaking the fourth wall moment where they tell you to buy the next game for some reason.
It's kind of bullshit, but that scene also came out of nowhere so maybe he did mean it that way. No Kyle seems like an actual dropped plot point though.
Crucial info for newcomers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfmeOqq9Ffw
>I was alone for three years
>So that's why the robots spouted memes
>>345296212
What is your opinion of the game?
What did you like and dislike about it?
How would you rate it compared to the other entries of the series?
>>345292118
kek
>>345296593
Best shitpost to come out of ZTD.
>>345292854
I guess Eric'll be a full zoner character, then.
Slightly unrelated, but I just finished Chapter 4 in DR. I know there are two more, but are they bigger or smaller than the other ones. Would it be accurate to say I'm two thirds through the game, or is that slightly off.
>>345297485
I think the last chapter is slightly bigger because of explanation of the plot than the others but for the most part, I think is safe to say that you already beat 2/3 of the game.
ZERO (ESCAPE) TIME DILEMMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B_y-mN_Y6E
So I'm out of "new" fragments to play
What should I do to unlock more? Play the "Bad Ends" for each of the branches too?
>>345298824
Did you let time run out when Eric askswho killed Mira?a lot of people miss that, myself included
>>345298824
>Play the "Bad Ends" for each of the branches too?
yes.
>>345298942
Yeah, that was the first thing I did in that scenario
>>345298824
Check on the timeline to see if all the execution icons are lit up. If you're missing one, re-do the votes to make it happen.
>>345298824
Yes, also watch all execution scenes, the buttons on the left should be lit up. The game remembers the last people each team voted for so if it still doesn't show you the ones you need to see after changing a vote, change the other teams' votes too.
>>345299097
I already double-backed to do all 4 of the executions.
>>345298824
Go to the global flowchart, if a questionmark is lit up you can play it
>>345297782
Have you got all the executions....?
>>345299146
What was the purpose of this? Once I got into the timelines I was kinda hoping the game would be audacious enough to switch up the post execution vote timelines for each combination, so I cleared out as much as possible before getting the execution views.
>Q-Team
>"Yo B, push this button to escape but the other two teams will die:
>Eric: Aaaaaah push the button I don't care if they die
>Knock him out, push the button
>Eric: Aaaah you pushed the button, murderer!
Listen here you little bitch.
>>345299361
This. Some of those things were hard as fuck to spot in my playthrough.
>>345298824
The answering no-one for Who Killed Mira should give you the password for a Door in a D-team fragment.
This game fucking sucked. There were so little puzzles and the story was a "muh paradoxes" wank. Last time I listen to /v/ about games.
>>345298731
>Diana: Wait, wait! ...wait, wait, WAIT, wait!...wait
>>345299650
>Last time I listen to /v/ about games.
Every thread, for every game. Sure as the sun will rise and fall.
>>345299650
>he played ZTD first
No one to blame but yourself, friendo
>>345299762
Prove me wrong, this is just flavour of the month shit. Series peaked with 999 and this was just awful.
>>345299650
>One less puzzle room than VLR. More than 999.
>Implying that every other game in the series wasn't about paradoxes
Nice b8 m8. If it wasn't such a dead thread, you'd be getting a lot of triggered fans right now
>>345299907
Series did peak with 999. This wasn't awful though
>>345284965
Instead of releasing R6 to kill one random unnamed terrorist who was going to kill everyone, make Brother an unmitigated villain (with no relation to D Team) who hates humanity. The Decision Game is his way of giving the world one last chance to not be destroyed.Zero will spare the world if Q team survives and can find it within themselves to cooperate despite being horribly dysfunctional, as a test of humanity's ability to coexist. Zero is posing as Q to observe Team Q personally. Change Sean's identity/background as necessary to fit this.
ZTD Sigma is Kyle all along and no one knows why, not even Kyle.Old Sigma's knowledge of the future (and his relationship with Diana in particular) would interfere with the plan, so Kyle needed to go in instead.
I feel like trying to change things and gain a new audience did more harm than good to this game.
I don't even know what the point of doing it was since these games are so story driven and this was intended to be the final game.
Even the rebranding in Japan doesn't seem like it majorly increased sales or anything.
>>345299912
VLR puzzles at least required some thinking, the puzzles in this game were so easy it felt just like busywork kept there to break the pace
>>345299912
The puzzles were way too easy, I could do them in my sleep.
>>345300056
The puzzles in VLR were too minigame-heavy IMO. Made them more fun sometimes but all in all just made it seem like a Layton game instead of a room escape. ZTD has the same problem, but there are more puzzles integrated into the rooms, which I enjoyed.
>>345300056
>>345300126
But that wasn't what you said. You talked about the quantity, not the quality. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your argument, something you failed to do with mine. They may be shit, I agree on that, but there was enough of them.Except for the lack of a Q room
>>345299912
Agreed, ZTD had plenty of puzzles. I think that the /v/ memers are forgetting this because there was no intro puzzle room and the final puzzle room was clearly cut from the ending sequence after the force quit boxes were opened.
>>345300212
Well, I really like the Layton games so it's probably why I didn't mind them
>>345300221
I was another guy just saying my opinion on the puzzles, my bad for not specifying it
>>345300310
Oh, and the Quantum Computer Room was very clearly intended to be a puzzle room but was also cut. Still enough puzzle rooms, but obviously cut content is always sad.
>>345300007
>Zero Time Dilemma is very serious noble story
>>345300221
In the case of a puzzle game quality and quantity aren't mutually exclusive. If you have average quality puzzles that can be beaten in little time, that will in turn make the quantity seem bad as well.
>>345299484
Watching the cut-scene between Q and Eric did not give me a password. On my Flow there is a lock between that cutscene and the segment immediately below it.
>>345300721
You need to play through Ambidex with C-team to unlock that fragment.
>>345300721
Right, they need to get the note from Carlos first
>>345300584
That's not true. They are still mutually exclusive. What you are forgetting is the difficulty of a puzzle is subjective. If the game had almost the same amount of puzzles as VLR but didn't last as long or wasn't as satisfying, that has nothing to do with the quantity and everything to do with the quality. What you're arguing is a cum-hoc fallacy.
>>345300721
Notice what is written on the door corner. Now rewatch D-2 end to get the information it hints at, and use that to open the Shower Room door
Anyone disgusted by the graphics of this game? Kinda ruined it for me how Diana's har kept clipping her shoulders all the time.
>>345300415
For a good portion of the game I was convinced that the Quantum Computer Dome would be the Q room of ZTD.
>>345301017
Well, I wasn't 'disgusted' but the game was certainly not pretty.
>>345301017
>When Eric crosses his arms and they clip into his shirt
>>345301045
>Quantum Computer Dome
>QCD
>no one reacts to this
>>345301017
Akane's hair always jumping around was distracting
>>345291967
Sigma plays like Ralf from KOF98 but his mounted punches super ends with him smacking them with his dick
>>345301017
>Akane's ponytail flipping the fuck out in one of the early cutscenes
why doesn't old sigma just gives the formula for the Axelavir so the pandemic is cured?
if is mission was just to stop radical-6 that would be enough
>>345301235
I...I never noticed that.
>>345301017
TheDiana trying to stop the bombending was literally at less than 5fps. I am really disappointed how this ended up looking.
>>345296647
Pretty much this.
"?" was the player, and Akane saying "go back to the mars test site" was Uchi saying "go buy the next game".
Kyle not appearing is a really, really big dropped plot point.
>>345301017
The running animation is fucking hilarious
>>345301235
Wasn't there something in VLR with that acronym?
>throwing a box to the chameleon system wil make it frizzle and stop working
>running a chainsaw through it wouldn't
Oh shit the transporter is a conceptual extension of the IG replicator
What the fuck did I just play?
Did we really just end with a Saturday morning cartoon villain and the power of friendship, then IMMEDIATELY JUMP TO AN EDGY "SHOOT ME, BUT THEN WHO'S THE REAL MONSTER" CUTSCENE, and then get no conclusion?
What the fuck?
What did I do to Uchi to deserve this?
>>345301417
>Diana's finger clipping through the trigger
>>345301867
What do you mean, when Akane uses it on the door? I think the system was only used in the main room and the healing room.
>>345302049
You demanded that he make a third game
>>345281898
This is my new favorite Zero Escape meme.
>>345302050
Thanks for the high res version Anon, do you have one of Diana drinking?
>>345301889
Except one was apparently based on huge scientific advancements, and the other one is literally ayyyyylmaos.
The only thing that made me madder than the fucking aliens wasBrother being adoptedcoming out of FUCKING NO WHERE.
Not even Kyle's part in ZTD made this mad.
The fuck?
>>345302108
when she uses it on the couch
http://www.strawpoll.me/10766646
Please vote, the fate of the franchise lies in this poll
>>345302250
Just blame it on Mind Hack
>>345302118
He had planned to make a third game while he was making the second. Fuck, he was working on the third game's story at the same time as the second game.
ZTD was supposed to be VLR: Part 2. It sure as fuck wasn't supposed to be this.
>>345302325
>HRT
We talking about hormone replacement treatment?
>>345302369
He was making a third game for his glorious nippon brethren. Once he realized that your gaijin ass was the only audience who cared he stopped giving a fuck
>>345302369
He stated the core story idea was meant to be this. But a lot of other things changed. Take that how you will.
>>345302325
>Eric with a shotgun
Hopefully he'd end my suffering quickly
SERIOUS QUESTION, SOMEWHAT SPOILERS, I NEEDHow the flying fuck did Junpei know to jump to the timeline where they didn't roll ones? He didn't even know he could SHIFT until like a minute before Akane suggested it, and all of sudden he has memories of a timeline he's never been in?
>>345302369
Yeah, if ZTD had been made back when it was supposed to, it would have been an entirely different beast
>>345302513
Yes
>>345302591
It's very... complex.
Is there anyway to get rid of the blue fast forward symbol when replaying a scene?
>>345302570
>He stated the core story idea was meant to be this. But a lot of other things changed. Take that how you will.
Considering the story was supposed to be from Sigma'sand at some points Kyle'sperspective, there's probably a lot more than just a few things that changed.
I can kind of buy thatBrother was always meant to be Sigma's child, but that would have went over way better if there was any real hints about it at all.
I also don't entirely buy Brother beinga benevolent antagonistwith everything that Akane knew of him.
Kyle is Carlos
>>345302591
this comic applies to many things in this game
>>345302740
Phi beingSigma and Diana's childwas probably bullshit pulled out of someone's ass, Phi clearly didn'thave red eyebrowsin VLR
So is Carlos a virgin?
>>345302945
That's Mira's pass.
>take 15 minutes explaining some psychological bullshit while trying to unchain dog
>dog still chained in the end
>shrodingo pussy
>SHIFT just werks
>go beyond mental mechanics and introduce aliens
10/10
>>345302591
To be fair, there's a lot of histories where they didn't roll ones. Not like it's hard to think of a scenario where they lost in the dice roll.
>>345302986
Oh yeah, you're right, oops, that was the one where he had the axe
Even though this game was a disappointment, I'm happy with the amount of great memes that was produced because of it.
>>345303014
>implying they were trying to unchain the dog
>>345302740
Yeah. It was only ever in preliminary stages he wanted Sigma, but regardless I agree for the most part. I think Brother being benevolent was also planned, but he didn't have any real hints about it. Just like him being Sigma's kid
>>345303014
They're not trying to unchain the dog.
>>345303034
I think that Anon's asking how he knew about the dice roll, because that's a completely different branch from where he was on.
TIME TO DECIDE
>>345303034
This anon's got it right >>345303286
It's something that specific Junpei had NEVER experienced, and he hadn't been shifting his memories over either.
>>345303286
Same reason Carlos knew about Junpei's head in the freezer in the poison timeline.
>>345303415
This was by far the best moment in the game.
>>345288724
Good question, what did he do to deserve this?
>>345303415
Sigma has a fucking hard-on for buttons.
I swear it's the only way he gets off.
>>345303415
>Diana's face is inching closer and closer to the button and twitching
No wonder Phi and Sigma were freaking out.
>>345303415
I honestly hated how in most of the choices the characters had to become the "Do it" and "Don't do it" advocates of the situation
>>345303464
Carlos SAW that.
Junpei had not been shifting or getting mindhacked, so he definitely didn't see that.
>>345303415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knLzNk0QeoQ
>>345298731
>Someone was so disappointed by the game that they created this
>>345302863
Yeah I didn't get that shit, as soon as the official colored art work of Phi was out everyone began theorizing that she wasSigma and Diana's kid, usually Uchikoshi is more subtle about this kind of shit, was kind of disappointed he just gave it away
So the credits attributed the graphics teams as different sections, each in game team were designed graphically by different people?
>>345303659
That was really retarded.
Sometimes they were just straight up out of character, like Junpei's "Kill everyone else because I need to fucking contradict what Akane's saying".
Other times it was just bad writing, like with Phi and Sigma.
>Yellow Button
>>Phi: "Don't kill everyone else, we should trust them"
>>Sigma: "Kill everyone else, I don't trust them"
>Antidote
>>Phi: "Don't trust anyone else"
>>Sigma: "Fuck you, we need to trust everyone else"
Who the fuck's body was Kyle in?
What the fuck happened to sending Alice and Clover physically back in time? And don't say it was about leaving them stranded in the bad timeline- because it was very explicit about sending them specifically physically back in time.
What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
WHERE the FUCK did 8 billion come from? Why the fuck does stopping the disease cause TWO BILLION more people to die?!
>>345303681
He didn't see it in that timeline.
Saying he saw it because he shifted implies that Carlos shifted from the axe timeline to the poison timeline, which makes no sense, since his consciousness is accounted for throughout the entire axe timeline from that point on, and we know they swap places when they shfit, so if he'd shifted at any point, a disoriented Carlos would have suddenly shown up. He DID shift to the axe timeline eventually, but that was well after getting that vision.
Carlos just saw a vision of Junpei's head from the morphogenetic field, the same way Junpei would have seen a vision of the dice.
>>345302863
I feel like this is the opposite. It was always planned, but changing the eyebrows was a bullshit way of foreshadowing it
>>345303935
>Who the fuck's body was Kyle in?
The snail
>What the fuck happened to sending Alice and Clover physically back in time? And don't say it was about leaving them stranded in the bad timeline- because it was very explicit about sending them specifically physically back in time.
Alice and Clover are shitters. This is a good thing
>What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
Nah
>WHERE the FUCK did 8 billion come from? Why the fuck does stopping the disease cause TWO BILLION more people to die?!
ISIS yo
>>345303976
Was it ever explained how people psychically saw images of other teams getting executed? There's no one around to transmit that information to the field.
>>345303415
Best part in the game
>>345303976
Except Junpei says he hasn't been able to access the Morphogenetic Field since 999, not even a minute before he says "JUMP TO THE DICE".
>>345303887
Blame the writer Uchikoshi was working with.
As for those Phi and Sigma scenes, those were different timelines weren't they? Carlos Probably didn't seem so trustworthy after killing Q-Team and Sigma just trusts Akane because he's been with her for decades.
>>345303935
>Who the fuck's body was Kyle in?
Sean.
>What the fuck happened to sending Alice and Clover physically back in time?
They had nothing to do with the test site, so even if they were sent back in time, it had nothing to do with the game. (And they were only abducted in the VLR timeline, so if they were sent back to any period of time, it would be the Radical-6 outbreak timeline, which sucks for them.
>What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
No idea what you're talking about, unless you mean Reverie syndrome. People still care, but the only cure is learning to SHIFT, like Maria.
>WHERE the FUCK did 8 billion come from? Why the fuck does stopping the disease cause TWO BILLION more people to die?!
One random person who the Radical-6 outbreak would have killed ends up somehow wiping out humanity. We have no idea who they are or how they do it.
>>345304095
The implication is that Delta is feeding them the memories.
>>345291967
>His 'fireballs' are actually just SHIFT auras that emanate from his masculinity
i need him to shift his masculinity in me if you know what i mean
>>345304315
Espers resonate with each other. Being near Carlos and Akane reawakened his powers.
>>345304095
There is one person. [?], aka the player. The one whose perspective we're looking through in the timelines where Zero is dead.
>>345303286
>>345303430
Fuck, you're right. My bad. Maybe he's been aware of it the whole time but never connected the dots until Akane mentioned it? At least he has previous experience with multiple timelines.
>>345303935
>Who the fuck's body was Kyle in?
Dropped plot point. Game was originally going to be from Sigma's point of view, and very likely Kyle's point of view at some point since he's the clone and all. But when Uchi got the mandate to make the game more appealing to newcomers, he went for three new characters, and Kyle fell by the wayside.
>What the fuck happened to sending Alice and Clover physically back in time? And don't say it was about leaving them stranded in the bad timeline- because it was very explicit about sending them specifically physically back in time.
Uchi hints at this on twitter. Basically the alien time machine will send them back.
https://twitter.com/Uchikoshi_Eng/status/751346867972083713
>What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
Dropped plot point from when Uchi had Brother getting ready to genocide the human race. One of the other two writers likely decided having a benevolent antagonist was a better idea, and so we ended up with... well, the super time travel squad.
>WHERE the FUCK did 8 billion come from? Why the fuck does stopping the disease cause TWO BILLION more people to die?!
This is actually legit explained.
Earth's population is 8 billion.
Radical 6 has a 75% mortality rate, and a 100% infection rate.
Nuclear holocaust was going to have a 100% mortality rate.
Radical-6 causes 6 billion people to die, leaving 2 billion alive (if one of the 6 billion was the fanatic terrorist that starts the nuclear holocaust).
Nuclear holocaust causes EVERYONE to die, so 8 billion people (6 billion from radical-6 + the 2 billion survivors would all die, not just the 6 billion).
>>345304464
>Espers resonate with each other. Being near Carlos and Akane reawakened his powers.
Except when SHIFTers suck other Espers' powers in VLR, like Junpei's and Clover's.
>There is one person. [?], aka the player. The one whose perspective we're looking through in the timelines where Zero is dead.
Well too bad I didn't see the execution before Carlos got his flashbacks. I thinks it's more likely someMind Hacking and quantum computer with cameras all over the bunker bullshit
>999
>psychics with special bonds can transmit information through the morphogenetic field
>if the situation is sufficiently dire this information can be transmitted through time
>teams of psychics are supposedly able to transmit information independently of each other
>VLR
>psychics are called "espers" now
>instead of transmitting information to other people their consciousnesses just leap to other timelines
>more powerful espers now usurp the strength of weaker ones
>ZTD
>espers are called "shifters" now
>shifters can now share their power and enable non-shifters to shift
>also shifting can be sufficiently simulated by a quantum computer
>also MINDHACKS
>>345304856
>Espers resonate
>Shifters suck esper's powers
>EXCEPT NO IT DOESN"T CAUSE NYAH
Seriously, there's so many contradictions, loose ends, and dropped points in this game it's actually funny.
>>345304908
>>shifters can now share their power and enable non-shifters to shift
I was following the game and trying my best to just lie down and accept it up until this point. I even took MINDHACKS (there are hints about Brother and mindreading in VLR) in with a straight face.
But magicing their powers onto non-shifting people is bullshit and uchi knows it.
>>345305136
Write SHIFT on that button.
>>345304464
>There is one person. [?], aka the player. The one whose perspective we're looking through in the timelines where Zero is dead.
That's not true. It's made pretty clear that the player is not a separate entity and that delta is the player avatar in the same way Sigma or Junpei were
>>345305281
>delta is the player avatar in the same way Sigma or Junpei were
But in 999 you're playing as Akane
>>345305281
Then who the hell are we playing as when Delta's dead?
>>345305405
Whoever Delta is mindhacking and looking into the other timeline through them
>>345304427
Are you that same Carlosfag that posts in every thread?
>>345305405
An alive Delta watching the events through some SHIFTers memories or through the quantum computer.
>>345305460
We're making choices when Delta is viewing an already occurred timeline?
>>345305460
Doesn't Delta specifically say he can't see into timelines he's dead in? Allegedly, he's just looking at security cameras, although that doesn't make sense either.
What if the fanatic was someone who played ZTD and wanted to erase all traces of its existence?
>>345305560
That's other characters making choices. You just decide which one to watch.
Dumb ideas on how I think it should have worked:
>Only a single timeline exists at any point
>Only ability available to Espers is to view alternative realities created after a person shifts
>Shifting and mind hacking are abilities only the "player" possesses
>The "player" is the one who causes the participant to make choices they wouldn't otherwise make
>Shifting only occurs when the persons life is in danger, and the player is viewing the game through their perspective
>>345305687
How are you deciding which one to watch? You're watching the one that's in your timeline - the only way Delta could ever get a choice about WHICH one to watch is either in the final timeline or the one with two Carlos's.
Where the fuck do Sigma and Phi jump to during their execution?
Phi is like "Sigma, let's jump!" and then I have no idea where they went.
>>345305560
>>345305563
In the other thread someone mentioned that the timelines where he's dead all have chance based decisions, so I guess he's not actually influencing their choices. He's just watching they're memories that they received from the other timelines
>>345305849
Oh that's easy.
They went to Dropped Plot Point #39.
>>345305732
VLR itself implied that Brother had mind reading powers, so that at least is a power that was always supposed to be available to Brother.
Mind hacking, on the other hand, is probably a way for Uchi to write himself out of some corner he fucked himself over in.
>>345305832
>You're watching the one that's in your timeline
He can still mind hack shifters from different timelines.
>one with two Carlos's.
That's every timeline.
To be clear, theyou watch everything from Zero's perspective twistis badly executed. I mean we clearly play the Diana, Carlos andSeanin the escape sections, but that doesn't mean that the player is an extra entity in the game like it was teased in VLR.
>>345306204
>He can still mind hack shifters from different timelines.
He can't though. He specifically says in the final end that the only reason he knows what happened in the other timelines is because they had shifted to his timeline.
He can hack people who shift TO his timeline FROM other timelines, but he can't hack people who are actually in a different timeline - his hacking powers are limited to people who are physically present in his timeline.
>>345306396
Well you could always argue that you're playing that Delta the whole time or that the game's inconsistent with who we are playing. [?] being part of the game in the same way it was teased is just wishful thinking.
>>345306396
Guy has a quantum computer that can send data to itself in the past. Just stream the camera feed. Delta's probably watching his own ZTD live stream on twitch with his glasses.
>>345306758
I never expected "?" to be a part of the game, that really just seemed like a "go buy the next game to continue the story" pitch.
But, the way the game played out, it's basically only possible at all is if we say we were looking at it from Delta's point of view as he was reading everyone's minds in CDQ-End-2.
Remembering this day in retrospect is just depressing.
https://youtu.be/JQE25TSZm1A
>>345306981
Yeah. I feel the pain
Anyone else get the feeling that Radical-6 and FBR were supposed to play a MUCH bigger role in the overall story?
I mean, the setup was perfect.
Free the Soul:
>Brother wants to kill all of humanity,
>FBR has a 100% mortality rate
>FBR doesn't destroy the physical planet or remaining ecosystem like nuclear war would
>If it's released at the same time as Radical-6 though, no one is hurt
Crash Keys:
>Akane/Sigma/Zero want to save humanity
>Radical-6 has a 75% mortality rate
>Radical-6 neutralizes FBR
>If it's released without FBR also infecting everyone, 6 billion people die
It really seems like at least a portion of the game was supposed to be for Brother to try and release FBR without Akane's team releasing Radical-6. Akane's team would meanwhile be trying to either release Radical-6 alongside FBR, or prevent FBR from being released at all. This would also allow Diana to be at least somewhat intelligent and make the logical (but unfortunately incorrect choice) to release Radical-6 in the VLR timeline in order to counteract the potentially released FBR (so that at LEAST 25% of people live), and the other timelines would represent the other possibilities that come from the (probably) different characters making a different choice.
INSTEAD, we got one decision game in Q-Team where the decision amounts to practically nothing, and Diana acting like a complete bumblefuck and bringing an infected Phi to a populated area for little to no reason - especially when they were guaranteed to get rescued, and could easily come back for her after they quarantined her.Fuck, even after Uchi decided to make Brother the good guy instead of the "assimilation villain", having the fanatical terrorist release FBR would have made more sense than randomly "starting a nuclear war"
>>345286306
I like the theory that he was just bullshitting about there being another terrorist who kills 8 billion people and that he's the real bad guy all along.
If Carlos shoots him, the cast has a (relatively) happy ending while they continue to look for a guy who's already dead.
If he doesn't shoot him, Radical-6 outbreak.
>>345307754
FBR doesn't exist, Anon. Unless it's something the terrorist uses to wipe out humanity.
>>345308061
I'm 100% ok with this.
>>345281205
>Sigma gets two redhead qt's and even makes one of his own
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>345307754
>Anyone else get the feeling that Radical-6 and FBR were supposed to play a MUCH bigger role in the overall story?
Radical-6 yes, FBR no. The whole setup was clearly a metaphor for why he plans to release R6although back then I still thought he wanted cleanse humanity or some shit that was teased in VLR
Also, Fanatic Bio R is aFaBRication
>>345308061
Yeah, it's a pretty bad theory but I suppose I'll add on something. If Delta really is a bad guy, then even if he's killed then something awful still should happen. What if the terrorist's emergence is only sparked by his death?
Too bad that in itself would make the most sense if the to-be fanatic was one of the participants (who're the most immediately influenced by the death), and it's hard to see it happening.I wish the game had more room for crack theories...
>>345308208
He deserves them
>>345307754
That would tie in with the probablity theme that it could work.
What would you pick
>ZE4 following directly on from ZTD
>New VN/puzzle series on Vita/DS
At this point I hope he abandons ZTD and writes something coherent for his next variation of the same ideas.
>>345309686
I want something new so I can enjoy a new setting and cast of characters, praising it as the best game everbefore inevitably being disappointed by its sequels.
>>345309686
1st choice: New VN/Puzzle series.
2nd choice: Re-do of ZTD, with ONLY Uchi as the writer.
ZE4 is just an awful idea.
>>345309786
New series ideally. The thing is that for me the set up of the ZE games is really fucking interesting. A group of people, in two of the cases, mysteriously kidnapped and forced to participate in a mysterious game for their freedom. I feel as though something short of this would not hold my interest as well as these games did.
I guess what I'm saying is I want more science fiction mystery shit, but I know it would feel kind of complacent after his work on ZE. So I'm not really sure what I want, I just hope whatever he works on next he has the time and money to actually make sure things turn out as he intended.
>>345309786
>>345310470
Obviously meant to reply here >>345309686
Best ZE waifu?
Luna is 2cute.
To anybody who doesn't understand the Delta twist, as was being discussed further up in the thread, I'mma try to explain it.
>The player is Delta, just like the player is Sigma or is Akane (and Jumpy a little bit) in the previous two games
>The player is not ? at all. He doesn't feature. Except in the abstract/real world. There is no ?(Blick Winkel) in ZTD's story
>Delta uses the cameras to view everything and Mindhacks to manipulate decisions.
>Most decisions, the Mindhacking isn't noticeable, because the characters already are leaning either way, so they assume they made the decision, as they likely would've.
>In some instances (The votes and the showers) the mind-hacking is noticeable though, because they wouldn't consider anything else
>In the timelines that Delta is dead he is viewing them through the quantum computer.
>The decisions in these timelines are an illusion, they are all based on probability or chance
>As a result, he isn't mind-hacking, but viewing the timelines they either succeed or fail in.
All that shit is stated or heavily implied in the game
In terms of the puzzle rooms, one can assume that they are like the ones in 999, where it is Akane (or in this game Delta) simultaneously solving them, and it just giving the illusion of us controlling the characters in this scenario. Evidence for this is the fact we also control Phi, not our perceived player character, in the incinerator. some dialogue in the puzzles hint at this.
It ism't perfect, but that's the way I perceive the Delta twist, at least in terms of how it effects gameplay
>>345310612
Phi no question m8.
So is it bad? Should I drop it and pretend the series ended with VLR?
>>345310869
not a good conclusion to the series but still a pretty good game on its own while you're playing it.
How did Carlos know about the door behind the portrait?
>>345310869
I don't know how one could finish VLR and not have an insatiable desire to experience more. It's several steps back in terms of quality compared to 999 and VLR, but is still an enjoyable experience.
>>345310869
Finish it for the memes.
>>345309686
A JRPG with characters of the cast of zero escape featuring time fuckery while they try to defeat the 8 billions man.
>>345310723
>The decisions in these timelines are an illusion, they are all based on probability or chance
No. For example, Delta is dead for Diana deciding between Sigma and Phi or Carlos in the AB game. There also more decisions like this.
>Most decisions, the Mindhacking isn't noticeable, because the characters already are leaning either way, so they assume they made the decision, as they likely would've.
Is it really mind hacking if they would have made the same decision either way? Why would he influence them then?
>In terms of the puzzle rooms, one can assume that they are like the ones in 999, where it is Akane (or in this game Delta) simultaneously solving them, and it just giving the illusion of us controlling the characters in this scenario
That's retarded. Why would he do that?
>Evidence for this is the fact we also control Phi, not our perceived player character, in the incinerator. some dialogue in the puzzles hint at this.
You mean in the timeline where he's dead?
I don't think he controls them throughout the whole game, he just uses mind hack to have them make decision they normally wouldn't do.
After finally getting the final cop-out ending, I kinda understand why this game's getting decent reviews. Uchi wasn't lying when he said this game is playable by people who are new to the series.
In fact, I would only recommend this game to people who have never played 999 or VLR.
First off, the game immediately comes off as some sort of psychological SCI-FI adventure, instead of a psychological murder mystery with sci-fi elements like the previous two. New players wouldn't notice the huge change in tone.
Some of the twists are still pretty mediocre, but if you haven't played 999 or VLR, I can imagine you'd think they were actually pretty good, like Sean beinga robot, Phi being Sigma's daughter, or Zero being Brother - there's no way to defend the "always out of camera's view" 10th player thing though. In fact, the ending and characters would actually all be pretty standard and acceptable if this were a standalone game. Newcomers don't have to watch Sigma get bastardized (since they never knew him for the sarcastic but total boss he could be), Akane just seems like she was always a sweet optimistic girl (instead of a cold calculating immortal bitch), Diana seems like a regular person in a shitty situation (instead of a bad version of Luna). Newcomers don't have the major hints about Brother being a genocidal maniac that we got in VLR, so when he turned out to be the good guy all along they could accept it without any major issue, since Brother to newcomers is just a name rather than a force. Newcomers also don't have to deal with all the missed plot points from VLR such as Kyle or the new Left clone.
I really hope he moves on from here though, and goes to work with a new company that doesn't impose insane budget restrictions, or vetoes scenes, or forces him to work with additional writers.
>>345310869
There's a pretty complex answer to your question, it can't be summed up with just one reason.
Seriously though, pretend 999 is a standalone game and VLR is VLR: Part 1, and that VLR: Part 2 never got or ever will be released. Then you can just look at ZTD as a "what-if" spin-off story.
>>345311465
Yeah. I was only thinking of the C-Team timeline, cause that's the one he states he was dead in. You're probably right. And I agree that he would only hack them when they wouldn't do otherwise, but I also see the implication that he hacks everything, if only because it gives more weight to the Carlos holding a gun decision at the end. We don't choose anymore, even if he chose everything. As far as the puzzle rooms go, I was mostly thinking about how it fits in the twist. I'm not quite sure how us playing as delta is explained in that, but then again, I find the explanation in 999 of us solving everything at the same time as Junpei slightly iffy.
>>345311940
>VLR is VLR: Part 1, and that VLR: Part 2 never got or ever will be released. Then you can just look at ZTD as a "what-if" spin-off story
Stop, let this meme die. Uchi has stated the core story is the same. While many aspects changed, what we got is still mainly his vision for VLR Part 2. It's understandable if you don't like it, but don't live in denial
>>345310723
Considering he's straight up dead in certain timelines that characters make decisions they would NEVER have made, that doesn't work so well.
The only way most of the game actually works is if we're looking at all the events from Delta's point of view in the Final Timeline, but even then certain mindhacks are just straight up plotholes (since all the characters must have experienced all those timelines, so we can't just say "he was looking at the quantum computer" as the timelines actually do exist).
Oh, and obviously ? is just Uchi telling the player via Akane to buy ZTD, no one with more than a few braincells thinks Uchi was seriously going to use ? as a character.
>>345312272
Name one timeline where that happens? Most mindhacks occur in timelines where he was alive. And the timelines he wasn't (and mayabe even all of them, though this contradicts his mindhack decisions), he states he saw through the quantum computer
>>345312272
>no one with more than a few braincells thinks Uchi was seriously going to use ? as a character.
It's not like he has done something like that before.
>>345302591
>How the flying fuck did Junpei know to jump to the timeline where they didn't roll ones?
He remembers a timeline where he didn't roll ones. That's the only way he knew.
> He didn't even know he could SHIFT until like a minute before Akane suggested it
I don't think that's entirely true. He must have shifted in 999 in order to get the best ending so he knows it's possible.
> all of sudden he has memories of a timeline he's never been in?
Sometimes they remember shit from a different timeline. It's been that way since 999 and VLR.
>>345312202
>Uchi has stated the core story is the same.
Where?
Like, an actual source would be great.
Also
>Single character perspective changed to multi-character perspective
>Mandated by Chunsoft to bring in new audience
>No Kyle, who was supposedly INTEGRAL to the mars mission as per VLR
>No Left Clone
>Literally aliens
etc.
I don't buy for a second that the majority of ZTD's story is even remotely similar to his initial vision he had while he created VLR.
If his initial vision actually included a randomly introduced fucking alien time travel machine, then he's just a fucking hack at this point.I don't even mind Brother being a good guy, but nearly every moral dilemma he was so proud of is done poorly or is inconsistent. The last decision is to whether or not to shift and kill the other yous, and it's supposed to be a hard decision, but every character sans Diana has done it countless times before without even a second thought, and then you get a bad end for choosing the morally acceptable option anyways
Can I play ZTD and still enjoy it without even having touched 999 or VLR?
Why isn't Kyle named Kappa?
>>345312851
Maybe, but why would you? You'd be spoiling yourself on two games which are much better. If you're PC only just wait for the HD ports.
>>345304908
You forgot aliens and cloning through timeline bullshit
>>345312895
Daddy doesn't love him, that's why he's not in this game either
>>345312851
>I want to skip the two amazing games that made fans foam at the over over this series to play the third game that people in this very thread are saying is the low point of the series
Fucking go ahead you braindead retard.
>>345312851
Yes you can.
In fact, you'll enjoy ZTD more if you haven't played 999 or VLR.
However, you'd get more enjoyment from playing 999 and VLR than playing ZTD at all.
>>345312996
Wasn't Kyle a clone of Sigma? There's no need to clone Sigma at all after the end of ZTD unless you got the stupid radical 6 ending where Akane has to start all over and redo VLR bullshit...
>>345312851
You can enjoy it, but there is no point to playing it. You would enjoy it the same way someone might enjoy the final season of Breaking Bad, or The Return of the King.
For some retarded reason parts of this fanbase, and reviewers especially, call VLR and ZTD new player friendly.
They are direct sequels to a story based visual novel/game.
999 is the best of the lot anyway.
>>345312851
Don't bother touching ZTD until you finish 999 and VLR. Or you'll hate yourself.
btw, they are porting 999 to pc and vita, so just wait for that.
>>345313097
Did you not play VLR?
We don't need to clone Sigma again - Kyle was supposed to have gotten sent back to the mars test site at the end of VLR.
But apparently he got lost and became a snail or some shit.
>>345313149
>Don't bother touching ZTD
I condensed the most important part of your post.
>>345313203
>But apparently he got lost
This must be why Sigma and Phi barely do anything, their plan hinged on Kyle showing up but he never did.
999 = A New Hope
VLR = Empire Strikes Back
ZTD = Return of the Jedi
>>345313274
>This must be why Sigma and Phi barely do anything, their plan hinged on Kyle showing up but he never did.
HOLY SHIT
THIS ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE
>>345313386
>>345313274
It explains Sigma's expression for most of the game
What I wouldn't give to have the old Junpei back...
>>345313379
>good, will always be some people's favorites
>generally regarded as the best of the three
>considered a disappointment but still relatively well received
Lots of trilogies actually follow this pattern. Though sometimes the "relatively well received" thing about the third part isn't true.
What third entries in trilogies were actually totally satisfying?
>>345313637
Abhorsen by Garth Nix
Though that's a book (and no longer a trilogy thanks to a recent prequel)
but who was termites?
>>345303824
I was wondering what that was about. It's a pretty weird way of crediting. The number of people was pretty big, and each list was structured pretty differently.
Maybe it was referring to different parts of the game, not the actual character teams? The "UI Design" credits were under Q-Team, for instance.
>>345312202
>core story has never changed
The entire plot hinges on a machine and a mechanic that has never been alluded to in any previous game, nor did it have any foreshadowing in the current game, and it was explained as "alien wizardry". Without this machine, the whole plot falls apart entirely.It also relies on the fact that the 67 year old Sigma who's spent years perfecting genetic cloning and sentient A.I. has absolutely NO idea how to set any specifics on the machine since it's too complex for him, but a random firefighter knows exactly how to set it to send himself to a very specific timeline. I mean, I can buy that Sigma spent 10 months analyzing it and figuring out HOW to use it the second time, but he just straight up says he has no idea how to work it the first time, and then all of a sudden Carlos is an expert.
There's not a lot of stuff I'll put past Uchi, but I really don't want to think he's this bad a writer.
>>345313637
Spiderman movies follow that to a fucking T.
>>345303935
>What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
I don't remember this
>>345313637
>>345314084
Nolan's Batman and Singer's (well the third one wasn't Singer) X-Men too.
I was laughing my ass off when Eric had a fucking grenade launcher in the Mexican standoff. Sorely disappointed that he didn't kill himself (and everyone else) after shooting it point-blank.
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>345314248
Brother had detected that there was tons of Toxicity in the morphogenic field, and that it had been going on for as long as humans were around, and that it was what was responsible for the wars and genocides around the world. He ended up deciding that the world needed to be cleansed, and was pretty going down the omnicidal route.
I'm pretty sure it was Dio that mentioned it in VLR, thought it may have been Akane. Either way, it was mentioned in VLR. And either way, Uchi seems to have changed Brother from his previous iteration to the one with more complex motives after input from his second writer.
>>345314349
Regarding the Q team standoff, at first it was one of my favorite scenes in the game. But the Q/Delta reveal retroactively ruined it for me. Mira and Eric definitely should have considered killing the blind, deaf old man in the wheel chair the obvious choice, but they don't even think about it until Sean shoots him
>>345314248
I think he's talking about pic related.
Also
>his teachings are too profound for ordinary people to understand
Sasuga Uchikoshi.
>>345312791
>>345314024
http://nintendoeverything.com/zero-escape-creator-on-origins-and-making-zero-time-dilemma-series-as-a-whole-more/
>When Uchikoshi was developing the second and third games simultaneously, he had the plot skeleton for the third game which was left intact, but the rest of the game became totally different.
The core story. I don't necessarily think that was part of it, but I do believe a benevolent Brother, the 8 billion terrorist and Siggy+Diana was endgame. And I feel like the transporter is alluded to in the Another Time ending when they mention a possible way to send Clover and Alice back, even if the form changed. But that is also strange considering the non-canonicity of the ending.
>>345314580
So are we just blaming everything that went wrong on the other writers?
Was there a reason that the transporters had to be alien? They could have just been a FTS science project or something
So why was no one curious that there were only 9 caricatures in the Study? Or that Q team's leader was Q, but Sean was making all the authoritative decisions?
>>345314735
No, part of the blame lies on the other writers, part of the blame lies at Chunsoft for madating a bigger audience, and most of it lies at Uchi's feet.
>>345314797
Because FTS didn't exist back then. The transporter needed to exist long before Delta founded his cult.
>>345304791
That's completely inaccurate. For one, there were already going to be three protagonists when the switch from Sigma to Diana happened. And making the game appealing to newcomers was Uchikoshi's idea, not a mandate. There's no evidence that changing the protagonist of Sigma's team was what resulting in Kyle not being acknowledged in the game. It hardly made a difference for most of the game, as the majority of the D-Team scenes had both Sigma and Diana around.
The transporter doesn't do anything to help the Clover and Alice stuck in the future, since it leaves them there and just makes copies to send to the past. And it results in an unsolved problem of there being two Clovers and two Alices in the past, which was mentioned and hinted to have some kind of solution (Schrodinger's cat!) that we never ended up hearing about.
The other two writers weren't responsible for the overall plot of the game. They were just relegated to writing C-Team and Q-Team's routes and the escape dialogue, under Uchikoshi's direction. The main story was all Uchikoshi.
Radical-6 didn't kill 6/8 because of some 75% mortality rate. Most of the 6 billion deaths were due to the resulting nuclear holocaust.
>>345314865
Because the game was deliberately misleading in order to have a twist for the sake of a twist.Promotional material straight up lied though, as some of it actually said that Q was an amnesic boy
>>345315010
>Promotional material straight up lied though
That's nothing new.
>>345314797
Those machines birthed Delta into 1904.
Free the Soul wasn't even a thing for another 20 some odd years.
>>345313965
please respond
>>345315240
What if the first thing they transported was the transporters
>Perceptive End
I feel like I just watched that arc of Hyouka where they make the cameraman the culprit.
>>345309686
I want Uchikoshi to return to his roots
>>345314723
>Uchikoshi changed Junpei's personality so they wouldn't have too many heroes of justice
>Then created another hero of justice
Okay Uchi
>>345314723
I buy the benevolent brother being a thing from the beginning. I'm not terribly fond of it, but it's not a bad idea at all.
The 8 billion terrorist definitely not, especially when they made such a fuss about brother sensing the morphogenic field was being poisoned. It really just seems like a quick threat they threw together when they realized they didn't have the budget to elaborate on a real threat. Especially when that "big threat" was already revealed at the end of C-Route instead of the final route.
Siggy + Diana was canon as of VLR. ZTD elaborated on it, but that's about it.
Saying "there's a solution to bring you guys back home" does not allude to "there's an alien piece of technology that Brother just happened to acquire that magically sends a copy of you to a timeline of your choice" except for in the absolute broadest sense ever - and in that same sense, it also alludes to Quark being a magical alien wizard that could have done the same thing by clicking his heels together.
No, the transporter is a very poorly written deus ex machina that Uchi either needed so that he could make brother into sigma's kid (which definitely does not seem like a core idea), or he actually planned it and has been getting someone else to ghost write for him for every other game he's ever written for, cause this is at a level of quality far below his usual work.
The religious fanatic is Spike Chunsoft, shutting down the Zero Escape universe unless Uchi makes the sequel hook of radical 6
>>345316116
https://twitter.com/Uchikoshi_Eng/status/751346867972083713
He also hinted on twitter that that hint was about the transporter, but deny it if you want. i feel like he had an elaborate backstory for it, but cut it and made it a mystery, which people assume is aliens.
>>345316116
Also, where is this the field is poisoned thing? It's only been appearing in the threads the past two days, and while I don't doubt it's true, I'm wondering if its being taken out of context
>>345316431
I don't think there was anything about the field being poisoned in particular. Just divorcing the soul from the body to cleanse it and bringing about a new form of humanity.
>>345316332
>which people assume is aliens
Zero literally says it's aliens.
You also left out the next two sentences from your quote:
"It’s because when he was writing the plot, he already knew what the outcome was going to be, so he might end up getting bored in writing the scenario. In order to avoid that, he had a suggestion to ‘surprise himself even more’, which resulted in the story getting changed."
So the only thing that's confirmed to have not changed is the barebones skeleton. Which is likely just that Brother was the good guy, because there is still fuck all for any foreshadowing regarding the alien transporters.
Uchi being coy on twitter about a fan's favourite character's fates can hardly be used as evidence, especially when he's straight up lied about his stories in the past when asked directly anyways.
>>345316550
>>345316431
"Brother realized humanity was being severely brainwashed and these contagious toxic thoughts were poisoning the morphogenetic field, like a cancerous consciousness."
That's a paraphrase of the quote. I'll try to find the exact one.
It's really not being taken out of context. Brother was being built up as a man who was going to cleanse the morphogenetic field in whatever way necessary.
>"What Aoi's been doing this whole time will be explained!"
>one throwaway line (in a note you might not even read) about him helping Akane
>>345317003
>"What Snake's been doing this whole time will be explained!"
>
>>345305256
Yeah, what was exactly the point of this part?
>>345317043
we got that in VLR
What exactly was the point of Delta going along with Q-team? It's not like he didn't have cameras and MAINDO HAKKU
>>345317445
are you fucking kidding?
it's in his second fucking answer.
http://virtueslastreward.com/qahome/
>Q2: "What happened to Snake/Light during the events of VLR? Did he search for Clover for 45 years, like how Junpei still searched for Akane?"
>Answer: "This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it."
Guess what was revealed about Snake in ZTD?
>>345317576
Nothing, because it wasn't within the scope of the game. Where would you recommend we get an exposition dump about what all the 999 characters did in the VLR timeline?
>>345317369
Just a throwback to everyone who noticed sigma's button fetish in VLR.
Dude gets off by pressing buttons.
>>345317654
So why did Uchi say he was going to reveal it if it wasn't within the scope of the game?
>>345317654
Not that anon, but they could've easily had Carlos ask "So, what happened a year ago?" and then "What happened to them after?"
>>345317729
Good question.
>>345317794
That would have just told us what Snake was doing between 999 and ZTD, which we already know from VLR. The question is asking what Snake did in the VLR timeline.
>>345316691
That's because Zero doesn't know what it is, and the first people to discuss it assumed it was aliens. The aliens are never definitively proven, and it's equally possible it's not aliens, especially considering it functions using the morphogenetic field.
I guess it comes down what you consider the barebones. For me, I would say that Brother, the son of Diana and Sigma, brother of Phi is working to a benevolent goal to unite the shitters against a greater threat. And I still believe that another time end, which hints at something being used to transport people back through time to give them a happy ending hints that some form of physical morphogentic transporter was slated for inclusion in the game, especially when a tweet, if tounge in cheek explains that the transporter is what that was referring too. I mean, aspects of that plot definitely changed, but that's what I would classify as the barebones, and believe was planned since VLR, and the game doesn't actively contradict that, so I choose to believe it.
>>345317729
Because plans changed numbnuts
>>345317540
Tweest
>>345317729
It's a really old Q&A right?
>>345317893
Would you have honestly wanted a complete digression into the 45 years of Snakes life where nothing related to the story happened. Because I sure as fuck wouldn't.
>>345318008
>promise your fans one thing
>don't deliver on the promise
>oh it's ok, it's just because the plans changed
Uchi apologists astound me.
>>345281907
You're smarter than this, right? If they only succeed once, it means that there are infinity -1 scenarios where their enemies succeed, and those timelines don't stop existing or anything.
>>345303503
He was part of the original Nonary game crew that experimented on Akane and the other psychic kids. He's as culpable as Ace, the Ninth Man, and the guy who was dressed in Snake's clothes.
Is Delta the senior citizen that Eric's mom jogged past every day? Did he mind hack her into avoiding that snail?
>>345318109
No one's asking for a twenty minute monologue on anything regarding Snake you mouthbreather.
We easily could have had a small quest note on the 999 and VLR characters that weren't mentioned. Fuck, we got one for 1904 Phi, we could certainly have had at least two fucking sentences on a completely out of the way quest note for Snake and Kyle.
>>345304334
The abductions for the AB game have already taken place by ZTD's timeline.
>>345318179
Nah. It's just those promises always seemed like a stock standard attempt to drum up hype for an uncertain sequel in order to ensure it's existence (and it worked). PlusI honestly don't give a fuck about what happened to Snake. His story was over in 999.
>>345318109
This nigga gets it
>>345318462
Oh, I'm bitter about Kyle, but a Snake quest note would be in no way relevant. If you really want it then here you go
>Snake searched for Clover during the apocalypse, but never found her
Happy?
>>345318614
No, and I'm still really mad about Kyle and the missing Left clone.
>>345313274
>>345313386
>>345313491
YOU FELLAS ARE ON TO SOMETHING HOREE SHEET
>>345318723
Fair enough. Those dropped plots I can at least get behind. I'm just baffled by people who get up in arms about what would've amounted to two sentences being cut because they weren't important
>>345313831
>tfw you meet someone on /v/ who's into the Old Kingdom trilogy
Feels good man, Garth Nix is such a great writer. Too bad that Sabriel movie is never getting made.
Also Mogget is best.
The transporter proves that there aren't infinite universes. If there were, the probability that it should always be recharging would be asymptotic to one.
>>345318452
Probably, and no
>>345318965
>two sentences being cut because they weren't important
Instead we got a great Q-Team fanfic.
>>345319058
Mogget is bae.
>>345319080
There are effectively infinite universes, in that whenever someone makes a choice, it creates a new universe.
There probably aren't infinite possiblities, though. There aren't just random timelines where crazy shit happens for no reason, it's all rooted in outcomes that could have happened. Not enough people know about the transporter and decided to use it for it to always be recharging.
>>345319080
And why would that be?
>>345318723
>missing Left clone
I don't remember anything about this, care to elaborate?
>>345319338
Uchikoshi said that Dio would appear in the third game, but that he's not the man we know. This was taken by most people to mean that we would be seeing Left or a Left clone.
>>345319238
I still haven't read Clariel and Across The Wall despite buying it a couple months back.
>wanna read, but forgotten most of the details from the original trilogy so I need to reread them again
>no time to reread the trilogy
Truly a Zero Time Dilemma™.
>>345319214
Yeah. I hate that, but it's relevant to the plot. Snake just isn't sorry, and no matter how much you like him that isn't going to change
>>345319451
>No Kyle or Left clones
>An entire team of literally whos and Carlos are there Because
I mean Sean and Carlos were good and Eric was fun and good for memes, but the lost opportunities are still so frustrating.
>>345318965
Akane:
>"Right now-in a manner of speaking-he has arrived at December 25th, 2028."
>"His consciousness has gone into a body from that time."
Akane:
>"Kyle is irreplaceable."
>"Do you really think [Sigma] would go back to the past and leave Kyle behind here?"
>"I know what I told the others... That Kyle was Doctor Klim's spare..."
>"But that was not his only purpose."
>"Kyle's consciousness is integral to what we are trying to accomplish."
>"This new mission begins on Christmas, and ends on New Year's Eve, 2028."
>"It's purpose will be to infiltrate the test facility and prevent the spread of the virus."
>"For this to happen, Kyle is absolutely necessary."
?:
>"And that is why he created him?"
Akane:
>"Yes."
?:
>"Kyle has gone back to 2028, to participate in this mission?"
Akane:
>"Correct."
I WILL NEVER NOT BE MAD.
>>345319451
Turns out, no form of Dio appeared. At all. Under any circumstance. Welcome to Uchi's wild ride.
>>345281205
Does Junpei ever kiss Akane?
>>345319451
Damn, that sucks. I was expecting Carlos or Sean to be left clones myself but that wasn't the case either obviously
>>345319684
I'm not happy about that either. But I just don't get the want for Snake. I like to think that Sean is a test run for Dio, but that's partly my denial kicking in.
>>345319598
>it's relevant to the plot
Nah, not really. The epilogue files are a nice bonus but not really relevant. D-Team didn't even get one.
>>345319058
>>345319238
>>345319586
Sabriel is the best book. I bought Clariel. It's absolutely terrible. Don't even bother reading it.
what if Kyle is Carlos with a with fake injected memories?
>>345319598
You're right.
What Lotus is doing is much more relevant. So glad we got actual spoken lines about her in the game.
>>345319684
>Turns out, no form of Dio appeared.
They mention Leftonce and not by name
>>345319684
If I just keep holding on to the theory that Kyle was in the Quantum Computer and we were playing as him one day I'll feel good about this game
>>345319812
I mean the characters are. I like to forget it because it doesn't have a bearing. Snake as a character in this game is a complete non-entity, so having one for him would be pointless.
>>345319903
The thing is, even if Snake got a line like that the fags wouldn't be happy because they wanna know what he did in the 45 year gap. That was never legitimately on the table and it wouldn't fit into the game at all.
>>345319720
Not on screen. They get married though.
Sigma fucks Diana in an alien replicating pod though.
>>345319780
>I like to think that Sean is a test run for Dio, but that's partly my denial kicking in.
Had Dio not been 100% FTS, and Sean not been a literal quantum computer, I could maybe see it.
As is, definitely not.
>>345320025
>That was never legitimately on the table
You just flip flopped from saying "it wouldn't fit in the story" to "plans change" to "uchi was actually just straight up lying when he said it".
At least stay consistent.
>>345319826
Clariel is terrible? Really? Why, were there retcons? Shit, is Clariel the ZTD of the Old Kingdom story?
BTW you read any of Nix's other books?This is now a Garth Nix thread
>>345320025
>so having one for him would be pointless
It would be greatfanservice.I don't even care about Snake.
>>345320321
See, I understand that. I just think a story shouldn't focus on fan service. I wouldn't hate it appearing i just don't see the point to it.
>>345320447
>a sentence or two on a quest card is focusing on fanservice
jesus, I'm pretty sure you just hate snake at this point.
Kyle, Luna, and the fucking rabbit at least got name dropped. Clover, Alice, Kyle, and Left all deserved at least a quest card. Every other player from 999 except the 9th man got a sentence, seven even got 3. How is giving a small nod to the most popular ZE character focusing on fanservice?
>>345320447
That's why a small file would have been perfectly fine. It's not too much work to write down some lines what your characters were doing in the VLR timeline. Nothing at all just feels really lazy, especially after the fans asked him about it many times.
>>345320025
He's not relevant to the plot that we ended up getting. But who can say that he was never going to be relevant? We already know that a lot of things changed from the original plans. Uchikoshi even said in a recent interview that he changed the story because he was bored with writing things that he had planned ahead of time. We also know that some things were changed by Uchikoshi to make the game easier to understand for new players, which could have included the promised expansion on Snake's actions.
The Q&A suggested that more about the apocalypse timeline would appear in the third game than there ended up being. Clover's circumstances and the oddly detailed new information about Snake in VLR also suggested that there was more to his story, and the Q&A supported that.
Could there be a secret ending we don't know about yet? :O
>>345320725
>>345320814
I literally don't care about him either way. I care more about people demanding he appear in the game.
>most popular ZE character
That's debatable.
Game has bigger problems than x character wasn't name dropped. Uchi could've said Snake recovered his eyesight, Sean turned into a real human bean, and it would still not be as much of an asspull as fanatic-san and ayylmaos.
This game ended up being Danganronpa levels of dumb.
>>345320976
Surely someone with decent coding knowledge would be able to dissect the PC release and end speculation.
>>345320976
No, you can easily look in the game files and read through the game scripts and images.
>>345321127
He's consistently ranked #1 in the US and Europe on all popularity polls.
I don't know how you could debate this.
>>345320976
No. What you see is what you get.
In this case, we got the "ALBERT WESKER'S SUPER TIME TRAVELING PALS SHOW: STARRING MR. ROBOT".
I'm not mad at Uchi. Just disappointed.
>>345321264
>Ranked #1 in one Us poll before the second game was released
>#4 in japan
>Still not relevant to the game
k
>>345320953
See, at this point, I'm 100% positive that even the basic story Uchi original had got changed, based on Akane's assertion that Kyle was "absolute necessary" to the plan's success.
He certainly wasn't absolutely necessary now, so there's a ton of shit that's been changed since his first drafts.
>>345321534
>Japan
You mean the country that doesn't buy the games, doesn't like the games, and the only country where any of the games are STILL unprofitable to this day?
Yeah. I didn't mention the 12 people that bought it in Japan for a reason.
>>345321621
He himself stated the barebones didn't change. It's weird the Kyle stuff and I'm bitter it was dropped, but considering Another Time was never 1000% canon I am curious as to how important he was planned to be
>>345321534
He was the top ranked of the male characters, though. He only placed behind Clover, June, and Lotus.
>>345321916
>Another Time was never 1000% canon
What do you mean by that?
>>345321990
It doesn't matter, he doesn't have any business in ZTD. I like Snake too, but his story ended in 999. We don't really need anymore on him than what we got in VLR. Write some fanfic if you're unsatisfied.
>>345321731
>There are less fans so they don't count
That's kinda elitists
>>345322005
Uchi has said it was just a teaser to get people wanting ZE3 and that the whole ? and by extension assumedly Kyle part was just to hype people and wasn't going to be included. I'm not sure how much I believe him though
>>345321990
Still had higher ranked charactersI like Snake also. I just enjoy triggering his fag followers
>>345285260
The dance floor is... simply funky
>>345322421
>simply
You dare use that word in relation to Mr. C O M P L E X?
>>345322187
>100% of 12 fans put snake in 4th place
>75% of 10000 fans put snake in 1st place
It's not that they don't count, it's that they couldn't matter less when we're asking about who's more popular.
>>345322421
I find humandancesfascinating
>>345322875
>12 fans
>Percentages pulled out of your arse
Stay mad Snakesucker. At least I got what I wanted in the game
>>345321731
About 40,000 people bought 999 in Japan. It got high critic and customer reviews, too. Japan's hatred of it is highly exaggerated.
>>345322187
>Uchi has said it was just a teaser to get people wanting ZE3
That's only partially true.
Uchi only said that regarding "?", not Another Time as a whole. He's made no other comment on that to my knowledge.
>>345323005
>I wanted aliens
Congratulations, now I understand Uchi's real fanbase.
>>345307754
FBR doesn't exist anon, he's putting his actions into context.
>>345323202
I didn't say that. I also got shit I didn't want. But the main things I did want were in the game. Keep using strawmen if it makes you feel good though
>>345323105
>https://twitter.com/uchikoshi_eng/status/433998278393217024
>"It was a commercial failure in Japan, with 27,762 copies sold in 2009 and an additional 11,891 in 2010, reaching a total of 39,653 copies sold."
No, Japan's hatred of it is very plain to see. It did poorly, and VLR did worse.
How is it that the Japanese version of VLR got Luna's model wrong but the localization got it right?
>>345320292
Clariel is just a terrible character. She whines all the time and is so self-centered. The climactic ending to the book happens within a couple of pages so it feels like it happened in an instant.
I read Keys to the Kingdom ages ago. The plot is confusing and super messy from what I remember.
>>345323441
>>https://twitter.com/uchikoshi_eng/status/433998278393217024
Just because it doesn't sell well doesn't mean they hate it. It's called a cult classic. Also, that is what ZTD has sold so far on a single platform worldwide. Just saying
So the true good end leftMiraalive
Even though shewas a fucking deranged serial killer who ripped hearts outs
>>345323704
Japan doesn't truly hate the series, they just see it as shovelware, since their VN market has always been oversaturated and ZE doesn't do much to stand out against it other than be violent, which they aren't terribly fond of.
It's certainly not a cult classic in Japan. It doesn't have a strong following, or fan demand, or strong word of mouth, or anything that even implies interest in the series. 40,000 is bad for lifetime sales in Japan, and ZTD is on it's way to abysmal sales in Japan as well (it'll do decent worldwide of course).
Japan just doesn't care for the series.
>>345324326
Yeah, but discounting their fans because there is less isn't cool.
I don't get why they don't like it though. It's better than most of the visual novel shit I've played
>>345324123
Did you not read the epilogue?
If you didn't, don't. It makes everything worse.Firstly, she turned herself in and got married to Eric while in jail.
Secondly, Sean shows up and breaks her out of jail by ripping down walls and beating up guards.
Thirdly, Sean's going to bring her to go back in time and stop little Mira from killing Eric's mother.
>>345324501
How do you get to the epilogue?
I just beat all three of these and feel empty as fuck, I need a new VN-ish series to play
Is Danganronpa any good or is it just weeb Ace Attorney
>>345324727
Beat the game, it's in the files.
>>345324727
They're in the archive in the menu
>>345324745
It's OK. Probably my least favourite out of the American VN trilogy (AA, ZE, DR). Worth a play though, probably
>>345324745
>Is Danganronpa any good
Yes
>is it just weeb Ace Attorney
Yes
>>345324429
>Yeah, but discounting their fans because there is less isn't cool.
I don't know if you're being serious or not. We were talking about character popularity. That's based on the number of people who like specific characters.
Japan's sales didn't even reach 40,000. That's not even 40,000 that played the game.
NA's almost reached 400,000. That's nearly 400,000 people that played the game. 10x the amount in Japan.
If 100% of Japan rated a character as something, but only 20% of NA rated a character as something else, the 20% from NA would represent more people than the 100% of Japan.
In a popularity contest, it's just based on the number of people who like a certain thing.
We can essentially ignore Japan, because whatever their preference is is irrelevant for the most popular character, since the majority of NA players preferred one, and even all of Japan liking a single character (which isn't the case) wouldn't have changed the top ranked characters.Very good bait, 10/10, I fell for it hook line and sinker
>>345324851
Oooh. Thanks.
>>345324745
It's good, but if you use weeb as a derogatory term, you might not like it
>>345324745
HOTEL DUSK
GO FUCKING PLAY HOTEL DUSK
IT WILL MAY YOU FEEL WAY FUCKING BETTER THAN THE POS THAT IS ZTD
(Last Window: The Secret of Cape West is also acceptable).
>>345324745
I've only played the first Ace Attorney, but in almost all the cases the murderer is either flat out told to you at the beginning of the case or doesn't show up until the 3rd day. Are all the games like this?
DR, on the other hand, feels like an actual whodunnit so I kind of prefer its cases, at the least.
>>345324946
Thanks. I do like Snake, and can understand why people like him. I just am happy with where he ended, and at the same time I'm happy he wasn't dragged into this and potentially ruined
>>345324954
Don't get too excited.
Here's the quick sypnosis:Q Team - see >>345324501
C Team - Carlos's sister recovers and is granted shitting powers, Junpei asks Akane to marry him, they postpone the wedding until after they catch the terrorist and invite Carlos and Aoi
D Team -
1904 Phi - She raised 2008 Phi for a bit
Snail Team - Fuck
>>345324745
>Is Danganronpa any good
It's ok, but the puzzles are not as rewarding as in ZE games and the story in no much better, anyway.
>>345324745
Check out Ever17 if you haven't, its basically proto-Zero Escape. Not really great until the "true route" though
Higurashi and Umineko are fucking great if you want to do a lot of theorizing and stuff
>>345325161
No. Not all the games are like that. Hell, Even the first game wasn't like that. But there is definitely less of that going foward
>>345325207
>I just am happy with where he ended, and at the same time I'm happy he wasn't dragged into this and potentially ruined
Fair enough, I didn't even consider the last part, and now I accept that it's for the best.
Overall I don't hate the game, I had fun and even enjoyed it - I just feel let down after all the things VLR built up.
I don't get why people are mad about a lack of D Team epilogue. We got the Sigma+Diana stuff, andconsidering Phi was basically a non-entity, that is pretty much D-Team with just those two
>>345325563
It just feels super out of place to give an epilogue to C-Team and Q-Team and not give one to D-Team.
I don't actually care for D-Team at all (Phi did nothing, Sigma got shittier, and Diana is basically a way worse Luna), but it's really weird that they didn't mention something about them.
>>345305136
No, family, it is like this
>>345325825
Yeah. Fair enough. I just assumed that was meant to be the epilogue for them. I can understand anger though.I was just shitposting to keep the thread bumpedPhi fags will always defend her against people giving it shit
>>345324745
Weeb AA with dumb characters.
>>345324946
Wait, where does 400,000 sales in America come from? That's about how much Zelda sells.
>>345326105
Zelda sells millions.
What is insideCarlos pants?
>>345326105
Zelda hasn't sold 400,000 since...
well fuck, since ever
>>345326105
Triforce heroes is like the lowest selling Zelda fucking ever, and it still broke 1.1 million
>>345284063
She didn't, Ace used his knowledge of the puzzles to get to the captain's room super early, kill him, reset the rooms, and then get back before anyone noticed.
I think.
>>345285260
SFM was a mistake
>>345326204
kyle and schrodinger's cat
Does anyone have the keep bullshit ting decision image?
I just got to the part where I saw what the other side of the door had, and I'm pretty sure I have to know by know what the number to the yellow door is, but I must've missed it
Any hints, help?
>>345325946
There's actually a fair chance that Sigma and Diana... don't end up together after the Coin Shift.
I mean, why would they? The only reason they ended up together in the VLR ending was cause Diana fucking loves the moon and cause 6 billion people to die, and they were literally the only people around in the Twins ending.
Sure they might have memories of it, but they also have memories of Diana shooting Sigma in the head or letting Phi burn up. None of means they have to stay together - or even that they want to stay together.
>>345326361
Clover actually kills him in the Knife ending.
>>345324745
they do world building and characterization better than ZE
story isn't as good, depending on who you ask, but it's still just as much of a ride
>>345326560
Keep playing, you haven't seen the number yet. It's really, really super obvious when you come across it.
Alternatively you could stop playing.
You'll receive about the same amount of satisfaction.
>>345326750
>world building and characterization better than ZE
you better just be talking about ZTD and maybe VLR, cause 999 blows DanGranpas out of the park in all those categories.
>>345290879
claydoll is an actual japanese term
>>345326234
Just counting U.S. sales, A Link Between Worlds sold about 280,000 in America over three weeks from launch and about 405,000 counting bundles. Even considering 999's sales over a longer period of time, reaching those kinds of sales numbers sounds kind of unrealistic. That's more than how much Ace Attorney sells lifetime in Japan.
>>345314865
They address the second part, in the begining when it seems like Eric is bullying Sean they're actually talking about having fucking hellen keller be their team captain
>>345326579
>Junpei spends 45 years looking for a childhood acquaintance
>proposes to her next time they meet
Diana x Sigma is happening.
>>345326425
I think that was made in MMD
>>345326995
>Sean isn't counted as a participant
>has a watch and gets knocked out
>has his photo on the wall while Q doesn't
They handled the twist pretty poorly
>>345326947
Anon, you're forgetting something extremely important.
When ALBW released, only about 30 million 3DS's had been sold.
When 999 released, there were 110+ million DS's sold. This was also the time when mobile gaming primarily happened on portable consoles and not mobile devices.
>>345327246
>Eric and Mira know that his name is actually Sean from the beginning of the game
>oh you just don't ever see them call him that, but they've been doing that the entire time :^)
FUCK YOU UCHI
>>345327557
They didn't know his name in the coin flip segment, I'm pretty sure. Which begs the question when the fuck did they learn his name?
>>345327842
It was written on Sean's underwear.
>tfw just spent an hour and a half of my life making this
where did it all go wrong?
>>345327246
>>345327557
>"Oh but you can easily see Q's shadows during a select few scenes, and Mira shoots an extra shot in one ending, and the computer announces Q's dead as Mira's killing Sean"
>Half the game is spent watching models twerk the fuck out and seeing just how badly lip syncing can be done, along with occasional sound glitches
It's a bad twist that actually added nothing anyways, since Delta sure as fuck didn't need to be there to begin with. The fucking graphics engine certainly didn't help at all - I saw the extra shadows, I just assumed they were glitches since I was also seeing Akane's hair twerk through both shoulders like it was trying to beat her, no one's lips ever matched their voices, and Diane was more jiggly than Mira
How to write a better twist than Uchi did
>Carlos is a clone of Left, sent to the future via the machine
>The machine can perfectly replicate the physical, but it can make errors on humans in regards to memories
>Most people become amnesiac entirely after emerging, and only potent SHIFTers seem to be able to maintain their sense of self
>Carlos has therefore forgotten who his family is, and Zero uses this to "adopt" his brother
>Carlos becomes the template for all Left clones, like Dio, but because Zero/Brother only has 20 months to "raise" them (10 months from their arrival to the machine powering up again, and 10 months from that point to their arrival), future clones tend to end up in a bad way, which explains Dio's womanizing
>He also used it on himself, and although he isn't a shifter, his ability to transmit thoughts and read minds is used by his older self to inform his younger self, and he has set up contingency Deltas every 50 or so years, which is why he has maintained his youth
and I aint even trying, I came up with this shit just fucking now
>>345327842
Probably when Sean asked them about creepy old man Q.
>>345328243
i laughed
good job anon
>>345328243
It'll go so wrong when you stop
>>345287265
POST YOUR MAINS
>>345328631
The Carlos thing is meh.
Brother sending himself back over and over so that he can communicate backwards is legit good though - way better than WHEELCHAIR MAN.
>>345291967
Sean: Low range and really telegraphed moves but incredibly tough and strong
Why did no one in the first end ask where Q was? They thought to ask where the child came from, but one thought to ask where the wheelchair bound man that is impossible to miss is?
>>345327482
Phantom Hourglass on the DS sold less. It sold 262,800 copies over one month from launch.
In any case, 400,000 is just too high a number to believe without a reliable source. That's about four times as much as Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney shipped in America.
Sleep with me anon...
Hurry up and sleep with me.
OR KILL ME ANON JUST KILL ME!
>>345298824
Did you get all possible outcomes for the revolver?
>>345329717
Weirded me out that they decided to fuck in the transporter pod. Doesn't look like it would be a comfortable experience at all
>>345329947
Sigma didn't want Kyle to see
why was he such a qt? I don't normally find child characters that likeable but I liked Sean a lot
>>345285260
Where is the source video?
>>345296593
His english voice is terrible.
>>345303014
Sean came back not for the dog, but for tue other human chainned inside
If Delta had to breed himself into existence, how does he even exist?
>>345330840
If Akane had to set up the nonary game to save herself then how does she even exist?
>>345331054
Did vlr have any glaring holes like this? I dont remember
>>345332132
Yes. Everyone was affected by radical-6 yet it shows quark, alice, phi, and sigma getting affected by radical-6. There's no reason or explanation as to why the effect would double up
>>345332132
Radical 6 outbreak occurs because Sigma goes to dcom to prevent outbreak but instead births the guy who caused outbreak
>>345333125
Truly a complex chain of events.
>>345330582
Kys
Who was the killer in knife ending in 999? I just kinda went straight to the safe ending and then true ending after I got knife as my first ending. I honestly can´t figure out who could be the killer
>>345333458
>>345333458
Ace, he was pretending to be dead IIRC.
>>345332132
these aren't holes, just time paradoxes that can somewhat be explained within the ZE world
>>345332824
It was mentioned a couple of times that "the effects get worse over time", but it does make the quite precise calculation regarding the effect somewhat pointless
>>345333125
that's vlr being affecter by ztd retroactively
>>345281205
>kill switch scene where Dianaremembers Phi is her daughterand just dive hugs her. I swear these aren't tears. I just have allergies. Thats what it is.
>>345333881
I felt like retconning Phi's hair colour cheapened the whole thing.
Why couldn't they just make her albino instead of going "yeah I'm actually ginger lol, you didn't notice Sigma? baka"
>>345333881
I bet Sigma felt like a huge creep for all the sexual harassment against his own daughter
>>345334714
>implying it didn't make him even harder
>>345314665
Eric does always go after Q in the stand off (he's directly behind Sean). Mira sees an opportunity to feel Eric's heart so she chooses him instead.
>>345313637
If we're talking vidya then MGS3 is usually considered the best
DMC3 also
though I guess neither of those series are actually trilogies.
Witcher 3 maybe?
