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I liked ZTD a lot. The ending is a bit unusual but most stuff can be explained if we think about it.
What do you guys think?
Is the PSTV compatibility patch available yet? I got this game yesterday and it was a known issue back on June 28th.
>>344282498
in a week or so
>>344283014
Give me a source. I need this. I need to know.
>>344281952
>most stuff can be explained if we think about it.
That's true of every story ever written.
If the story had been presented in a more detached way as if it was meant to be a puzzle to crack then it would have been fair to leave hanging threads and stuff like that. ZTD's plot is too reliant on drama and suspense to leave so much stuff unaddressed.
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>344281952
Diana wasn't anything like Luna
>>344286670
>Diana ended up being a dumb bitch
Well, that was disappointing.
This thread has now been mindhacked to be the next thread.
>>344286616
>>344286887
>>344287010
>>344286670
Luna was Diana without flaws. She had to be the perfect robo-waifu after all.
>>344286670
That's because Diana was an actual human being and Luna was a robot made to fill the hole she left in Sigma's heart
>>344281952
I wasn't strongly disappointed like everyone here seems to, just slightly underwhelmed by what could be a really great story if they gave it more room to breath. But memes here are absolutely brutal, love it.
ZE is sexist as fuck. All the girls end up being manipulative bitches.
>>344286670
Luna wasn't programmed to be a slut.
>>344288837
Luna acted more like a believable human being than Diana did.
>>344288837
>made to fill the 18 inch deep hole with Sigma's 18 inch long rod
FTFY
>>344281952
I enjoyed it a lot. The game went full retard starting withDelta's reveal, but I don't have any complaints with anything before that.
What do you guys think about the Sleeping Beauty paradox?
>>344288837
>>344289202
I don't even remember Diana being timid, or saying she loved nature. Seems like Sigma added extra stuff in there
>>344289884
He also implemented some major facial correction.
someone post "THE FUCK"
Was it a mistake to not show anything of their time together at Dcom?
Mind hack confirmed better meme
>>344290261
They showed how Phi hugged Diana<3
>>344290406
That's unbalanced. It doesn't account for other wordings, like "my motivations are complex."
HOW THE FUCK DO I GET ALL THE QUEST FILES?
THIS FUCKING SHIT GAME DON'T TELL ME HOW MANY I GOT
>>344290615
no one here says motivations, the meme is "complex motives" or "my motives are complex"
>>344290656
by looking in all the rooms :)
>>344290715
the results are inconsistent anyhow.
To get a proper result you'd have to do
>Results of phrases involving "Mind, Hack"
>Results of phrases involving "Complex, Motive, Motives"
>>344290656
There's one in the study a lot of people seem to keep missing because it's unnecessary. I don't think I got it. You should easily find all the others
>>344290801
Oh, and >", Mindhack"
Uchi confirmed that the Transport was moved to the moon
>>344291072
what a fucking asspull
>lol we'll just scan copies of everyone and send them to happy ZTD timeline
>>344290801
>>344290894
you forgot mindhaxxx
Don't look this spoilerHah, I succesfully mindhacked you. How shift to another history three seconds earlier or get fucked.
>>344291965
DELTAAAAAAAAAAA
>>344291072
How did Delta even load up the transporter on a fucking truck? Isn't it too huge to fit?
>>344290834
Erm so what room here do you think i missed some from?
>>344292351
The ward IS the truck.
>>344291072
Zero himself said he moved everything in Payoff 2, but that's not what the guy's asking, Uchi.
Goddammit.
>>344292454
Change the sort method first.
as much as I'll shit on the game, it had some heavy-hitting moments, namely the Stranded Pair and all of VLR ending
>Junpei desperately reaching out to Akane saying that he'll never forget her after being injected with a full dose of the memory drug
>>344292564
Oh thanks i can guess which ones now .
anyone feel like Morphogenetic Sorrow and Blue Bird Lamentation were overplayed in ZTD? Kinda lessened their significance. I was, however, a tad disappointed that Morphogenetic Sorrow didn't play during the true end credits
>let's bring babies to this world that will die of starvation within a week
>>344281952
someone add some jack daniels to luna's hand and a black eye and it'll perfect
>>344292460
The D in Dcom stands for Delivery.
>>344293087
what do you expect from Diana "Oops, there goes 6 Billion people"
Stream in 4 hours
>>344293087
That's why I didn't like the hope of two ending. Tons of awkward dialogue on top of all that.
>>344293087
being born and dying is better than not being born at all.
At least thanks to ayyliens they were able to be faxed to another history and live there.
>>344291072
In the True Ending Delta says that he moved all the machines including the quantum computer and the Transport, in trucks.
That's when Delta is accused of conspiracy and murder by the 3 teams.
Thoughts on Eric?
>>344293852
He's bullshit.
>>344293852
Was he autistic?
>>344293852
retarded
oblivious to the fact that Mira isn't interested in him
impulsive and resorts to violence quickly
/v/ incarnate
>tfw no secret ending where Seven infiltrates the facility and saves everyone
>>344293697
>copy of me gets to live a happy life
Nah, fuck that.
Guys, I'm going to SHIFT to a world where ZTD doesn't suck, wish me luck
I missed a lot of symbolism in the game due to playing through it really late at night, what did you guys make of the symbolism in the puzzles/decisions/latin phrases
also, what did he mean by this?
The only good twist in the story was the hidden member. If you rewatch all the Q-team scenes you can get hints of him.
>>344280971
>uhh... some DS game with a doctor who-esque pen...
late to that thread but it's Time Hollow
>>344294746
>no joke ending where Delta literally meant it by "not a single person has died" as a bunch of cars containing:
-the three guys from the second Nonary Game that Ace murdered
-Alice's father
-Eric's mom
-Akane's parents
-the original Sean
-hell, even the taxi driver and the surgeon
show up, and everyone has a grand ol' party at Eric's ice cream shop.
>>344295042
>also, what did he mean by this?
Does it matter if the game turned out different than he planned?
>>344295064
>the only good twist is the most pointless one
>>344295064
can you post some examples? I was suspicious after seeing the X door as opposed to the 9 door, but I didn't notice anything about the hidden member while playing
>>344295105
I wouldn't have minded a joke ending after what we got
>>344295105
Crap, forgot Eric's little bro and all of Mira's other kills as the Heart Ripper.
There, NOW everyone has their party.Fuck Eric's dad, it's entirely his fault he dumped Chris's corpse in the lake.
>>344295212
That was in March 2016. The game was all but done by that time.
Mira is definitely the hottest character in the series.
Should have been raped
>>344294853
that copy of you is still you
>>344293697
>being born and dying is better than not being born at all.
w h a t
>>344295314
There is a leddit thread with all the hints.
>>344295212
He originally planned to be the playable char of D team but changed his mind and made it Diana
>>344295571
You wouldn't understand, it's too complex.
>>344295442
No, it's a copy of me. Only way it would be me is if I could shift and take over her body.
>>344295341
Confirmed for havingzerotaste
>>344295212
>>344295649
Fuck forgot a word like an idiot
He originally planned Sigma to be the leader of D team but later changed it to Diana.
>>344295316
I wanted to see more resolution to Eric's tragic story, but I guess we can't get everything we want
>>344295649
planned who to be D leader?
>>344295760
Sigma.
>>344295442
no, it's not. come on, this is babby's first transporter problem
>>344295754
why was this? I'm kinda glad it was all new characters to be team leaders
>>344295981
Q2 - "So, I heard originally that you were planning to have ZTD follow Sigma as the main character, but with what we've seen recently, you decided to switch to three main characters. Why did you switch to three main characters, and how will this switch impact the game that you wrote?"
"So, during initial planning stages for Zero Time Dilemma before it was "Zero Time Dilemma", we had always planned to have three characters, but one of them we wanted to be Sigma initially. But, when we thought about it, it's kinda unfair to new players that aren't familiar with the series, because Sigma, y'know, spoilers, is from the future - well, his brain or consciousness is -"
"Yeah, uh, it's a big loop in VLR."
"Yeah, so he already knows what happens, and if you're the player following this character around who already knows, like, the plot, kind of, it's not very engaging for the player and kind of unfair."
"Kind of a detachment from the character."
"Yeah, so with the new cast, Diana knows as little as the player does, so you're on the same page."
We need an edit of this image.
>>344295726
Lotus is no way near as hot us Mira.
Mira actually has curves with big titties and duck sucking lips.
Lotus is a twig with titts.
>>344295664
there would be a version of you appearing in another history who would remember being faxed and brought to a new history.
>>344296209
Official ZE women tier :
Waifu tier : Luna, Diana
Cool sis tier : Phi
Potential psycho tier : Clover, Akane
Big Boobed Bitch Tier : Lotus, Alice, Mira
was his entire existence a joke?
>>344296350
You know that pressing the button is actually the better option right?
If you don't Mira kills whole D-team and escapes, leaving only Delta & Sean alive.
By pressing the button, you rid the world of a dangerous serial killer.
>>344296449
I liked Phi and Akane the best and thought Diana wasn't all that great, but hey that's just me
>>344296406
Meanwhile I'd be dying of starvation like a retard.
Go me!
>>344286670
That's because Diana is a broken girl after beingbeaten and raped repeatedly by her ex-husband
>>344291072
>and Quark be happy in the ZTD timeline
>and Quark
fuck this faggot
Quark is already living a happy life with his alcoholic Grandpa
>>344296465
Basically.
>>344296669
Quark is the terrorist.
His name is the clue, the smallest particle you'd find in a bomb.
>>344296610
I really liked Phi in VLR but I felt like she didn't really do much in ZTD at all.
Same deal with Akane. For someone who is all cold and cunning she really didn't do much aside from go crazy whenever Junpei died.
>>344296209
Lotus is the very picture of beauty.
>>344296656
>2028
>feminism already won
>dumb ho still find excuses to play the victim
>>344293087
You think they have a full abortion kit down there or something?
>>344296642
why wouldn't you be on the body of the one that was sent to another history?
>>344296765
I agree with you on both counts
Phi was wasted potential honestly, and I expected more scheming and less violent revenge murder from Akane
>>344296449
>ranking mira with those 2 shits
She was like one of the only characters who didn't bitch in the game.
>>344296761
Then Radical-6 obviously didn't do its job.
>>344293852
Autistic beta nu-male cuckold faggot
>>344296851
Because I'm not the copy? Duh.
>>344296802
>liking bony bitches over curves
i only played 999 and loved it
but i'm not buying 3ds/vita just to play zero escape and zero time dilemma (altho i'm almost tempted to)
ports to pc when or 3ds emulator when?
>>344296872
at least the more emotional scenes between her and Junpei and Akane were cute. Her only purpose was to BTFO people who thought Akane didn't care about Junpei any more and randomly bring up philosophy
>>344297042
VLR is coming to Steam, 999 as well.
>junpei said that q-team has a handicap
>tfw i thought he meant mentally handicap
>tfw i thought he was talking about Eric
I legitimately thought that Eric was retarded at one point. I can't be the only one, right?
>>344297042
there's going to be pc ports for 999 and VLR, and ZTD is out on steam of course
>>344297014
>liking badly drawn anatomy
>>344297042
The second game is called Virtues Last Reward. The series is called Zero Escape.
999 and VLR were recently confirmed for getting ports (not confirmed PC, but very likely), just wait for those.
>>344296954
The copy is you.
Their memories are yours. Their body are yours, and there's a consciousness still alive in that body.
A consciousness that would wake up and leave from the export ports, wondering if the process worked. Why wouldn't you be that consciousness instead of the one left behind?
>>344293852
>C Team
>Two veteran lovers and a compassionate firefighter who can SHIFT
>D Team
>Mother, father, and daughter
>Q Team
>Eric plus 3 people bent on killing him
>Eric presumably is the only one in the group being injected with drugs
>While the people in the other teams can all SHIFT, the only power Eric has is to access the morphogenic field in order to find the nearest shotgun
Eric is the real hero of this story
>>344297263
Not him, but Lotus ribcage is a mess there.
>>344297047
The quasi-proposal scene, some of the death scenes, and the VLR scene were all great. I'll admit that Junpei and Akane are at the core of ZE to me, so all those scenes made me pretty happy
>>344281952
>most stuff can be explained if we think about it.
What happened to transported Carlos in the timeline where they won the coin toss?
>>344297042
Zero Time Dilemma is already out on steam.
Anyone else think that when Carlos was raping akane it was Kyle or ? taking him over?
Infact where the fuck were any of them?
I also hate this shit where
>we were the good guys originally
>>344297385
>tfw you can't SHIFT into the timeline where you and your childhood oneitis end up together
>>344297121
>>344297148
>>344297307
oh good to know i'm pleasantly surprised
>>344297342
I felt pretty bad for him after learning his story and seeing how badly it fucked him up. I wish he got some kind of development that didn't swing back into retardation 2 minutes later, but oh well
>>344293852
he's a dumb fucking idiot. To think I was expecting him to be a mastermind cold blooded sociopath by the art. Never again am I going to make guesses about characters based on their appearance alone
>>344297524
they explain that it was a way to disable the bracelets discreetly without making it obvious to Zero
>>344297323
Because I'm the original. I'd be standing in front of the teleporter like a retard wondering why the transporter didn't work, meanwhile copy-san would go "yay! It worked" and live a happy life.
>>344297548
>'thanks Sean for believing in the fact that im not a full blown retard'
>goes full retard 20 seconds later
fucking Eric
>>344297524
no, because he was seriously just pretending. It was a way to avoid Zero hearing them out, when he climbed on top of her he whispered her to go get the cards in the trasporter room
>>344297471
Delta owns the transporter, so he killed the duplicate in every timeline he's not needed, since he would probably appear at the free the soul HQ.
>>344297323
Because atomic data doesn't include the original consciousness, just a literal copy from an exact brain reconstruction.
Sigma even waxes as much after he uses it and you view the scenes coming out of the import pods.
This would mean you could SHIFT to your displaced copy, though.
>>344291072
Except that doesn't fix anything and they can't actually live in the good timeline, just a copy of them. In fact doing so would be pointless because those copies wouldn't even be guaranteed to live in the timeline, they'd have to transport to before ZTD happens, meaning that'd only a small set of themselves would live in the good timeline, with the rest still living in a shit timeline except even worse because now they actually have to live through the apocalypse.
Does anyone have the angry sigma picture that's mostly his eyes and eyebrows?
Foxy Grandpa > Marty McFly > CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
>>344297971
So? it's the same for all VLR characters.
We knew from the start they were stuck there, just that they created another timeline where a version of them could live a cool life.
>>344297764
That can't happen because Carlos came out before the timelines branched. He'd need to detain Carlos until he's sure which timeline it is, and by that point the game is already happening.
>>344297323
No matter how many times you fax something, you still retain the original. There isn't some sort of 50/50 chance where you might get the original.
Hints about Sean/Q
>When the Crash Keys twitter account was revealing the images of the participants of the decision game, they never revealed Sean
FUCK
>>344298118
>CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
He's too happy when things go right bro
>>344297373
Mira looks like she doesn't even have bones, she doesn't have bodily curves, and her legs don't make any sense if you try to look at them for more than a second.
>>344298118
His fucking trot and victory celebration is too good, too pure. Also the Monty Hall room was top tier Jumpy and Carlos manliness.
>>344298224
yeah, I was kind of joking with that, but for quite a few parts of the game he's edgy af
granted I was using the English audio, which probably didn't help with that
Phis new outfit was glorious. Didn't dig the reddish eyebrows but those were at least explained
>>344298162
You're right,
well then he stations one of the Left clones near the entrance of the bunker and when duplicate Carlos arrives after the game has started, Delta tells the Left clone whether to kill him or not, so duplicate Carlos is only allowed to barge in the timeline Delta wants.
>>344298454
But the game never even starts in the timeline where they win the coin toss.
The only reason Q has no portrait is because he is le-complex-motives man?
>>344298797
It's part of the Q/Sean twist
>>344298713
Well then as soon as they win the coin toss, Delta orders the other Carlos to be killed.
It's not that complicated.
>>344298234
Yeah, her legs are a mess, especially the left one, but I don't see anything wrong with her top half.
The pose is awkward as fuck tho, she should be sitting or leaning against something.
doesn't his Biker analogy still hold truth? I mean, the true end is accomplished by sending many alternate versions of themselves to a gruesome death and they're basically just enabling one happy existence out of many (like with the dice problem)
not saying they're morally wrong, it's just something to think about (and the point of the *second to* last decision game)
>>344298896
>Delta orders the other Carlos to be killed.
That seems to go against Delta's established reasoning seeing as he chews out the participants for completely disregarding other timelines versions of themselves.
>>344298914
It's not just that the pose is awkward, her left leg should be bending somewhat. As it stands in that image, it looks like the legs are of different length.
>>344298896
I can't really accept your theory without any proof.
>>344299032
No. Especially since the VLR timeline will never change after what happened at the bunker.
>>344299129
Well the real answer : we don't know so all we can do is make a hypothesis.
Alternatively, the other Carlos lives, he joins up the group after the ending and they go drinking together.
while it obviously didn't play out on screen, what would you have done, shoot delta or leave him alive? I would have done the latter because there's really no point in killing him and he arguably helped save the world
>>344299617
I believe Carlos would never shoot him desu
Any explanations for the aliens?
Sean is a qt
really though, probably my favorite english VA and I liked him a lot more then I thought I would
>>344299617
The interesting part is that he says the fate of the world depends on this decision .
So killing him or not determines whether the fanatic can be stopped.
>>344299617
kill him because he tricked me, he's way too smug and he's fucking old so he needs to die.
>>344299032
What if the events of VLR were always in the good timeline, but everybody involved either didn't know or made sure that they didn't know?
The whole AB Program was on the moon and nobody communicated with Earth or perceived whether Radical 6 broke out or not.
It's a Schrödinger's Cat thing where the Earth is both fine and fucked before they come back and observe it, so if they make sure that there's a reason for it to be fine and then return to Earth, it will be fine.
I just talked out of my ass and there are like 10 holes in this theory, but maybe we could make it work.
>>344299765
same thing with All-Ice I guess, just another weird unexplained element
>>344299765
Watch the history channel.
>>344299617
Don't shoot. Technically Delta hasn't commit any crimes in that timeline. At the end he has saved humanity.
>>344299617
Don't shoot because he did nothing wrong.
>>344299765
Clover pointed out to Sigma there were metroids in the treatment pod room, but Sigma naively thought they were jellyfishes.
For all PSTV (>>344282498) anons playing ZTD, the patch is now live. https://twitter.com/aksysgames/status/751460412361625600
>>344299884
how would that mesh with Tenmyouji and Quark's memories?
>>344299916
He killed Alice's dad, along with many other kidnapped researchers, which seems to have been conveniently forgotten.
>>344300023
THEY WERE IN ON IT THE ENTIRE TIME
>Aoi doesn't even show up in the shitty epilogue files
Why, Uchi?
>>344300140
I'm not sure how much of the info from VLR on Free the Soul is even true at this point
>>344299895
All-Ice is just Alice who got sent back to Ancient Egypt via the transporter
>>344300280
bravo Uchi
>>344300140
>yfw he Transported them so that he can still say "See, not a single person has died!"
>>344300280
I wouldn't put it past Uchi. Maybe Ace was in it too.
Gotta keep BW motivated.
>>344299617
Shoot himin the foot. He can go hobble his way to his top surgeons and fix that shit.
>>344300659
He'll just mind hack Eric to carry him to his wheelchair.
I also just finished it, and rather enjoyed myself.
Some lingering questions, though:
>Did they just run out of money and couldn't renderthe epilogues for Carlos, Akane & Junpei, and Eric/Mira/Sean?
>Why the fuck didn'tSigma/Phi/Diana get an epilogue, especially since they've gotta have the absolute most confusing one since Sigma and Phi's consciousnesses aren't time appropriate.
>WhenDelta is telling Akane she should attend the FtS meeting on April 12, and we know she goes, is that how she gets the full structure for the AB game? She says the AB project must succeed right after knocking out Junpei, but it seems like it must have been planned by Delta as well since his "true goal" was to have everyone survive all along.
>Why the fuck doesMira get off SO easy? Plus, in the epilogue, Mira using the transporter to stop herself from becoming a serial killer would completely erase literally everything that happens in the series, which is the point I guess, but still
>Who the hell isthe guy from the epilogue of VLR, who occupies K's body?
And, while I really thinklol alien transporteris a lame deus ex machina, at least they use it to fill literally all of the plot holes.
Alsothe Q reveal made me so fucking mad, but I think it was ultimately better executed than the Sigma reveal in VLR.
>>344296839
Sigma's got pretty good fists.
>>344300763
What's wrong with the Sigma reveal in VLR?
It's hinted several times through the game.
>>344300763
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>>344300454
AYO
>>344300873
Not really. He can't even figth a bitch in high heels.
what's their married life like anyway?
if the ending was like this the game would've been a strong 5/7
>>344301135
Hey Jumpy, I'm bored, can we organize another nonary game?
Sure Kanny, but can I be Zero this time?
oki :)
>>344299768
Should I... take my clothes off?
>>344301191
>tfw no Gab is controlled by Kyle twist
>>344300763
I hate to say this but I just fucking knew there was something up with the player's pov. Uchi loves that shit. During the Mexican standoff, when I shotDelta, I wasn't surprised at all. I only had the VLR ending at that time and from there it was obvious who the mastermind was. I'm not joking when I say that the best twist in the game for me isthere's only one ward. That's it. I'm happy for Junpei and Akane who got closure but that's it. FML
>>344301135
Akane ditching Junpei every time anything wrong happens.
>fuck this timeline and fuck this Jumpy.
>>344301324
Gab should have been Zero.
The plague doctor mask should just come off to reveal Gab happily barking away about snails and life being unfair
>>344296169
Tried my best, fám.
>>344301590
>Carlos had no recourse but to SHIFT out of there.
I'm fucking dead
>>344301135
Sad and sexless
>>344301590
HOLY KEK
>>344300924
Oh, nothing was wrong, but I think it was less airtight than Q's reveal. There had to be a lot of reasons why Sigma didn't realize he had a cyborg eye, or never see a reflection prior to that point.
Meanwhile I was so convinced that the Q reveal was total bullshit that I had to go back and look because I was 100% sure theythey specifically addressed Sean as Q multiple times, but they never did.
>>344301590
THIS ONE
THIS ONE IS THE BEST HOLY SHIT
>>344302065
The thing is: they never said that Sean was Q in the game, but in the trailer they did
None of the ZTD puzzle rooms really captured the same atmosphere as the Library or VLR's garden area imo
>>344301590
>Go play something your speed. A baby game like Danganronpa
>>344302065
They actually explained in an interview that Sigma programmed his fake eyes to give false sensations when he touched his face so he wouldn't realize he had a cyborg eye.
It's very far fetched, I admit.
>>344302216
library is a fucking shit escape room anyway, simple as fuck
>>344302296
IT'S
COMPLEX
>>344302296
>>344302420
I meant fake arms not eyes.
>>344302296
That was just an explanation that the localization editor, Ben Bateman, came up with, not the actual writers.
>>344302206
I'm willing to let that slide. Even without the trailers, you're clearly led to believe that Sean is Q, because his image is the one used for Q-Team.
>mfw ZTD has created a new batch of Zero Escape memes
Why are fags acting like they saved the world already? They still haven't and probably won't find the fag who's gonna trigger all the humans dying.
>>344302065
>Sigma's reveal
>less airtight than Q's reveal
Are you fucking kidding me? Sigma's reveal only relies on one person (him) being retarded, which is understandable given he's drugged and infected with a disease that slows down your brain processing to 1/√ 6.
Q's reveal relies on every other character being retarded and the game outright lying to you by making him invisible numerous times, not to mention that it's never explained why he even needed to be in the game.
>kept track of all my thoughts/observations while playing
>first start playing Q-Team
>"Lotus and Alice didn’t really bother me all that much despite the fact that both of them wound up being 'fap bait with one specific skill that comes in handy once', but something about Mira makes me really uncomfortable."
>"Not sure if it’s the art style, the fact that she’s exclusively paired up with a child and her shitty boyfriend, or that fact that her attitude thus far suggests she is aware of her status as fap bait and just kind of has no passion for anything in life."
>mfw the very first fragment I with them was Triangle, and the very first result I got was the Crossbow Ending
>>344301590
This kind of shit is why I'm still here
I need more memes like holy shit i'm crying
>>344302729
Unless I missed something myself, they never show a wideshot where the only way to not show Q would require literally deleting him from the picture. I could be wrong, but the game doesn't lie.
I thought it did, which is why I was so mad at first.
>not to mention that it's never explained why he even needed to be in the game.
He was part of the experiment at Dcom, the reason being that they may very well eventually send handicapped people to Mars and they'd want to test is people would continue to help care for them. Why wouldn't he have been a part of the decision game?
>>344303257
>He was part of the experiment at Dcom
Why did he need to be in that either? The thing was run by Free The Soul anyway.
>>344302727Implying that won't be the in the next game to milk more money and also implying it won't being Akane and Junpei's kid because they have to suffer more and no happy ending for them :^).I'd be okay with the happy end though because they are cute together.
>>344301135
An awkward and slow revelation that they have zero chemistry as adults and only feel connected whenever they're in high-tension situations (like the Nonary Game).They try to keep Carlos away because whenever he's around, they question their marriage vows
>>344303382
Ain't it obvious he's enjoying the shit out of this game, of course he wanna participate.
>>344302727
Delta gave Carlos a gun because he knew that humanity was saved no matter what.
This junpei was far better than that punk ass bitch in 999.
But for protags sake.
Carlos= Sigma(VLR) >>>>>>>Junpei(999)
>>344303257
>He was part of the experiment at Dcom
But why? I'm sure could come up with a different excuse if he wanted too. Heck, he could make Sean pretend to be handicapped.
>they never show a wideshod
They do.
And more important of all, they're never scared of Zero punishing them for Sean voting instead of Q.
They should at least try to carry the deaf blind old man's and make him select the teams.
I'm getting turned on by Akane's stockings
>>344303257
Q is in trapped in the library escape section with the rest of Q team and no matter what you do you can never see him, which is complete bullshit.
>>344303843
those and phi's pants
can anyone post "YOUR DECISION IS MADE", I'm making a shitty edit
>>344303878
How did he get up the stairs? That's what I want to know. They fired a grenade from upstairs and they wouldn't have done it if there was a crippled old fuck in a wheelchair down there.
>>344304029
You know the door of that room is not locked so maybe they just put him out of the room for that moment.
For what fucking purpose did Uchi drop Kyle and ?
There's no way he forgot and it seems like such a big thing to just say "lol let's not do it"
>>344303878
Well obviously not during the puzzle section. You can never see anyone during the puzzle section except during very specific cutscenes, like Sean in the moving chair or Diana/Sigma in the incinerator chair.
>>344303702
>They do.
Where? I'm genuinely curious, I'd like to see for myself before I shelf the game.
>>344303664
It's funny how Diana and Sean are usually just ignored as protagonists even though they almost have the same screentime and perhaps even the same narrative weight as Carlos.
Multiple protaganists were a mistake, weren't they?
Anyone have the edit of this comic but with Delta and Sigma?
>>344304190
>Multiple protaganists were a mistake, weren't they?
No. Carlos is just so much more interesting than Diana and Seanand sexier.
>>344304318
Thank you.
>>344303878
This is what got me about the twist.
It *technically* works and they can pretty easily say "lol he was never in the shot see look here his silhouette" but VLR's twist worked because it made sense in the framework of the game. Like there's never a situation where it feels unnatural that you can't see Sigma's face, because the whole game is built around his perspective, so it's mindblowing that it was literally right under our noses.
With Delta you have to accept that despite all of these third person cameras and apparent wide shots (maybe C and D Team got them but not Q, I dunno the game is like 20 hours long), often shifting multiple times in a single scene, the most we ever see of him is a silhouette because he's just really good at staying out of camera angles or whatever. And the whole Q = Delta thing is a little hard to swallow too. When did Eric and Mira learn Sean's name and how come they never directly used it until that scene? And just..... I don't fucking know.
>>344304190
I dunno, I thought they all had a fairly good presence and I really liked Sean
I will agree that Carlos had the most "protagonist" feel, which isn't a bad thing
Have a baby in isolation with, Chop into pieces, Marry after SHIFTing into different bodies, Cuck
>>344304190
Because Diana doesn't do anything besides be a slut and Sean is walking exposition
>>344304380
I did think it was funny how nearly goddamn everyone was like "Oh look at this big American HERO of JUSTICE"
>>344303878
You're right. You can see Mira and Eric's models standing around but not Q's. I'm such an idiot for not realizing this.
What the hell was the writer thinking when he put Carlos as the "protagonist" when all he did throughout the game was screaming "MARIA"?
seriously tho he was such a bland character
>>344304668
>diana
>slut
She's submissive as fuck, not a slut. She just lets men walk all over her.
>>344304730
Ironic a shitpostin... Etc...
behold, my shitty unfinished edit
>>344304730
>he doesn't love Carlos and want to handle his hose
Leave
>ZTD memery begins to overtake /v/
>>344304014
>>344304380Your replied with my own edit. Nice coincidence
To be fair, I would've preferred that there'd be no teams and it just naturally follows that in this, there should only be one protagonist.
I like the idea that the character interactions always be mixed up rather than set into a mold.
>yfw
>>344304124
Who fucking knows. I kept expecting a big twist with it but it never happened
Tbh I could have forgiven everything else about ZTD if the ending had been good but it honestly just felt like such a letdown. Like the big climax of the whole franchise is just Delta talking at you, then the shelter starts to explode so everyone holds hands and warps back to the beginning and Delta talks at you some more.
I expected there to be something big with Kyle and ? or with the terrorist. Instead I just got generic open we totally didn't run out of money ending. And that's supposed to cap off this whole three-game decades-long time bending struggle for the fate of humanity. Come on, Uchi, you used to be better than that.
>>344305034
Pretty fitting considering Sigma and McCheese share a VA
>>344294853
it's literally the Q Reality decision. i'm guessing you went with complete death the first time
>>344305063
I thought it was genuinely touching, but I couldn't believe Sigma and Diana didn't realize it when they sent the babies back, especially since I think Sigma said "to 2009" and not 1904.
Also wish that Phi hadn't stopped dying her eyebrows, because I was almost immediately suspicious when I noticed that, and once she said she was a natural redhead it was all but confirmed in my head.
>>344304190
Carlos was the one to receive the gun at the end.
This concludes he was the real protag.
>>344305063
How does Phi know?
I understand Diana and Sigma knowing
I think the fragment system was cool at first and in theory but just ended up with me feeling kinda confused and a bit lost with all the timeline jumping, and less satisfactory than how VLR did it
maybe I'm just Eric-level retarded though, whatever
>>344305538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQfY47pFNs
>>344305063
That actually made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. That OST really helped make that scene.
>>344304730
You do know that Diana and Sean were protagonists too.
Diana's even the star (or star) of the Japanese and art book covers.
>>344301324
>who killed Mira?
>write Gab
>tfw no plot twist of Gab actually being the killer
>>344305538
She seemed to have had a hunch or something back in Dcom, when she asked Diana to give her a hug. And then again right before she gets incinerated.
What I want to know is why Diana felt so strongly for Sigma that she killed herself in the incinerator. Guilt would be one thing, but she specifically says "Please wait for me, Sigma"
OH SHIT
>>344305063
I wanna watch this on YouTube, what's the name of the sequence? Bad ending, good ending, mid game, where does this happen. I don't own the game so I'm curious.
>>344305886
I really think it was just guilt, and I think she would've said "please wait for me, ***" regardless of what person it was she killed
>>344305771
Woops, I meant to take out that "(or star)".
My editing skills are shitty...
>>344305063
and then they never talk about being family again, even in other timelines...
>>344305960
It's not an ending at all, but it happens en route the the true ending. I think it's "FQB - D-Team"
>>344305943
HE'S TOO FAST
Danganronpa's hope's peak academy conclusion will actually be better than this garbage.
>>344305886
She got hots from him from the moment they met.
>>344305960
Force Quit Ending
To get the whole feeling see:
>Trash Disposal (all 3 decisions)
>Transport Room
>D2 Ending
>Force Quit Box D-Team
Can someone edit this but with Dianna and the revolver?
>>344306030
Snails > Termites
>Amazon finally gave me a delivery date for the watch edition
ITS HABBEING GUISE
>>344305063
Where did Phi jump from? Or is there like family-specific zones of the morphogenic field to pull information from?
>>344306085
Well because the only two things that happen after that is the FQB ending and MY MOTIVES ARE COMPLEX ending.
>>344306159
No. DR3 maybe if it can maintain the quality 2 set, but not that shitty anime series no one wants.
>>344306208
You're right and I'm sad that you're right, anon.
>>344306197
>>344306095
Thank you lads.
>>344305771
The cover of the art book is really nice. Sad, the character designs are all so great and then lol budget so we get this PS2 looking shit
Speaking of which, anyone with the Steam version want to upload the artbook and OST for us console plebs? Can't find em anywhere
>>344293086
It did play during the true end credits though. It just wasn't a very memorable remix. Neither was the piano version used throughout the game.
>>344306030
ZTD Sigma didn't particularly seem like a super-intelligent 67-year old who would talk at length about termites
>>344304914
use this one instead
>>344306324
Pfft no one wants that shitty 3rd game with characters no one literally gives a fuck about.
The anime is what everyone wants now.
>>344306482
thanks m8
>>344306503
>characters no one literally gives a fuck about
No one cared about the DR2 cast before it was released and it ended up surpassing the cast from the first game by miles. I doubt DR3 will be that special, but it's not hard to beat the completely mediocre cast of the first game - where really only Tranny and Moralfag stuck out as anything good.
If Uchi ever continues Zero Escape, I really hope he starts with an entirely fresh cast of characters and only keeps the Zero/Bracelets element. We've pretty much wrapped up the story for the characters from 1-3 and I'd like to see what he can do with an entirely new storyline
>become posioned
>going to die
>get offered a bottle
>50/50 chance it's either antidote or poison
In what situation would you hesitate to drink? Literally going to die anyways.
>things that made you legitimately mad
I'M not the one who's colorblind Clover you fucking bitch
>>344306729
Starring Kyle and ?
>>344306461
I'd personally attribute that to the fact that, after such a long isolation, he meets back up with Phi and Diana, both of whom he only ever really interacted with when his mind was young, and even though he was focused on preventing Radical-6, he was probably really happy to be with two people who meant a lot to him, even before the family reveal.
>>344306826
Maria
>>344306729
Am I the only one who wants a completely grounded game without crazy plot twists, masterplans, or scifi elements? Just a bunch of people stuck in a game, and played completely straight.
>>344306159
>Implying that Danganronpas never had shit endings
>Implying that the last anime was good
>Implying that new anime will be anything but waifu-pandering considering the last news about certain characters
Is there a named OST download?
The one I have is just <number>.mp3
>>344301065
Mira had an unfair sneak attack advantage where she got to stab Sigma in the stomach.
>>344306159
>DUDE JUNKO LMAO
>>344306956
>carlos in the same pose as koksal baba
P O T T E R Y
>>344306792
Complex motivations
>>344306975
That wasn't a question dipshit. I want to know what happened to ? and Kyle
>>344306979
I can sympathize, but all that shit has been a huge part of the series the whole way through so I'm not sure we'd ever get that
>>344301590
Thanks anon I had a good laugh
>>344306979
Yup
>>344306729
>and they're now motivates to stop the bad gut
>wrapped the story
Imagine if ever movie/book ended qs soon as they find out something bad will happen.
>b-but they can stop it because they know it will happen!
>They don't know when, where it will happen, or who is the bad guy, but I'm sure they will be just fine. THE END.
>>344297342
You're forgetting Eric's uncanny ability to detect bullshit
Fuck, Kill, Marry,Betray
>>344299916
>Technically Delta hasn't commit any crimes in that timeline. At the end he has saved humanity.
He either has done both or neither.
If you consider he has done nothing wrong, that's because he has done nothing except doing the coin toss in that timeline.
You can't assume he saves shit as long as you don't also accept that he has done terrible crap to the characters.
>>344306946
Is this official prologue stuff or just some fanfiction?
>>344307331
Official prologue from the booklet
>>344306979
I thought that was what I was getting out of 999 and I felt like the ending with DUDE YOU CAN TALK TO PAST AKANE NOW LMAO was pretty stupid and anticlimactic desu
>>344306729
He should drop the time travel shenanigans because they're easily the weakest parts of the games.
>>344307305
Marry junpei betrai carlos fuck sigma kill eric
>>344307331
official from the premium booklet
>>344307305
marry sigma, fuck junpei, betray carlos, kill eric
>>344306985
Say what you want but DR2's ending was better than this underwhelming shit
>>344307425
I completely agree and that's exactly the way I felt when I got the true ending of 999, way back before VLR was even announced.
English of JP voices?
>>344307305
Fuck Carlos
Marry Sigma
Kill Eric
Betray Grumpy Junpei
>>344305771
wait
why is Snake's hair brown
>>344307468
I didn't mind the time travel via SHIFT, but what really bummed the everyloving fuck out of me the minute it appeared was the existence of aliens and a transporter device that just so happens to fix everything. I kept hoping it was going to be a fake out like All Ice and it was just some kind of simulation, like what was happening in Sean's happy ending, but once I realized that was the only possible way for Junpei and Akane to make it to the VLR timeline, I was resigned to it.
>>344307514
>>344307586
>betray Carlos
>>344307321
He is still the leader of a cult and a murderer unless e transported all te kidnapped people to 2028 .
>>344307106
someone edit a fucking knife or fire axe into his hand
The Delta reveal was for Sean's sake, to see if he could compile all the info from many timelines in an efficient manner.
His inability to deliberate fast enough on the final Decision Game made Delta disappoint.
Damn someone needs to find the timeline where akane (I think) Says "We have only 4 minutes and 30 seconds... no 20 seconds"
>>344307706
my thoughts exactly, as soon as I saw the transporter I knew it would be a plot-hole fixing device and a huge part of whatever tweeeeests were going on
>>344307528
Where can i read the rest?
>>344305538
>>344305886
Phi is constantly unintentionally using her jumping powers to gain information from other timelines, it's not a stretch for her to suddenly know things.
It's a shame that power is never used for anything useful in this game.
>>344307719
Was he responsible for the kidnappings, or was that Ace and Co. for the purpose of morphogenetic field experiments?
I'm genuinely asking, I can't remember if the first Nonary Game was explained to have been under the direct supervision of Free the Soul or was just tangentially involved.
>>344307867
I think that's the Infirmary logic game with the antidote vials.
>>344307305
Sean, Junpei, Carlos,SigmaSigma's grief sustains me. So good.
>>344307305
Fuck 2nd Carlos
Kill Eric
Betray Junpei
Marry Carlos
...I'm hopeless, I know.
>>344307712
At the last FMK, someone used the same exact image in reply to everyone cucking Junpei.
Interesting?
>>344307979
If Akane's murderboner was correct, it was all on Ace and his gang.
YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF THE NEXT ZE GAME
YOU MAY CHOOSE ONE [1] CHARACTER FROM THE PREVIOUS GAMES TO RETURN IN SOME FORM
YOU MAY CHOOSE THE SETTING
AND YOU MAY CHOOSE THE MECHANICS OF THE GAME (decision, digital root, AB, etc.)
so what'll it be?
>>344299617
Well, he's zero but it seems that what he did was technically right and nobody died and maybe saved the world. I'd rather shoot Mira since she is a serial killer and nobody seems to care.
I don't quite understand why or how Delta knows so much about the future and how is he so old yet healthy.
>>344307606
At least Delta's complex motivations make sence in grand scheme of things, he's just not as fleshed out as he should be.AI Junko's masterplan was a mess from start to finish and FUTURE chants from remnants of despair were cringe as fuck. I think I would be more fond of this game if I just dropped it after
Chiaki's execution.
>>344308472
>VLR Clover
>Dcom Bunker
>AB game
I'm going to make the worst ZE game ever and it's just that easy.
>>344307606
>>344308568
Dangling Grandpa can't really disappoint me with its retarded ending and story because it's impossible to take those games seriously. Still love them of course
...I heard about it, but I just got done with that pretend rape scene and...??
>"You're, well, to be blunt you're hot"
>"We may be stuck in this shelter for a while...you know what that means, right?"
>Carlos calling Junpei a neanderthal
>Him still having that cocky voice as he compliments Jumpy on his punches
>The goddamned way he acts afterwards
What the fuck, while I'm cool with Carlos as he is I kind've wish he showed off his (fake) asshole persona more. It was ridiculously entertaining and kind've hot...or maybe I'm just depraved or something.
>>344307979
I think he kidnapped and killed Alice' father.
>>344308472
Ace busts out of prison only to be kidnapped again and forced to participate in another decision game hosted byevil fanatic second Carlos.
Set in an underwater amusement park.
>>344309132
>Second Carlos
Is there a meme I'm not aware of? I only just finished the game like an hour ago.
>>344309115
It's ok, anon. We're all gay for Carlos here.
>>344308140
Wait i found it, it was phi. Requesting snoop dogg edited version of this.
>>344308918
That's a start but how about
>Have the best characters from both previous games come back and then split them up so they never interact
>Put it in a generic underground bomb shelter visually nearly indistinguishable from Rhizome-9
>Split everyone into teams of three so half the characters never talk to each other
>Drop the mechanics altogether and just give them a bunch of stupid challenges based on chance where everyone dies at the end anyway
>Reuse the same twist from VLR/Ever17 but make it even shittier
>Make it end with the power of friendship, nobody dying and the psychopathic serial killer seeing the error of their murderous ways and going to the police
Then I think you've got it
>>344309115
>mfw that entire sequence
I could not, for the fucking life of me, figure out anything that was happening. For a moment I thought they were going to have a threesome behind the bar.The explanation actually makes perfect sense.
>>344309325
There are 2 Carlos in every timeline.one is the terrorist /rapist
>>344309325
carlos went back to save junpei and akane, before the game, before the desicions, before the branching of the timelines. he is just like phi and delta, there'll always be two of them. i mean always in the sense of ztd always.
>>344309325
Carlos used the teleporter to send himself 10 months before the game started... well from what we know about how the teleport works, that means there's two Carlos living in the world in each timeline, starting from the time he teleported back to.
.../v/, one thing I don't get is how Phi being born with SHIFTing abilities was considered such a "special" thing by Delta.
Is it just being born with it, rather than it manifesting later in life, that's the special part or something? I mean, Carlos's ability to SHIFT is already far better than hers and he literally is just a fireman so it's not even a big deal.
>>344309115
>kind've
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>344309115
Carlos plans are the best
>think think think
>moves to the side
>thinks for about an hour
>guess I'll rape Akane
>>344309447
Really? When he started the act he already had a grin that was even more smug than usual so I knew there was some kind of jig going on
>every time this track plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eWaxTNbPJk
>>344309617
Timeline Hack is pretty rare
>>344309132
Goddamned, it makes me unreasonably happy to see people on the stupid "2nd Carlos is the fanatic" boat with me...even if it's just a meme rather than a real theory.
>>344309463
>>344309551
>>344309572
>implying Complex Man doesn't kill all the others and just let live the one needed for the VLR ending
>>344309551
>>344309572
Gotcha, thanks anons.
When is the Q&A where Uchi will avoid all the game's flaws and get utterly roasted?
>>344309784
but carlos doesn't die when he is killed
I never would've imagined Carlos being a good guy after seeing his smug face on the art work
>>344309784
you think that can stop his genius?
>>344308472
Set it in an abandoned Siberian military base with nine nuclear warheads
They have nine hours to find the codes to disarm them or they will go off and destroy the facility
The protagonist is an amnesiac, he eventually begins to remember the codes between timelines as they find them and at the climax we learn he is the terrorist and his mind was wiped and he was placed in the base because he was the only person capable of disarming them
The plot twist is that there are two Zeroes, Kyle is one and we learn he has spent thousands of years ageless drifting through time and space attempting to find a timeline where they can trap and stop the plan of the terrorist while saving everyone in the base along with the second Zero, his friendCOCO YAGAMI
I'm not sure why they felt it was morally bad to SHIFT. If they're SHIFTers, then when they get kicked out of their current state from another version of their consciousness that chooses to SHIFT, they can just SHIFT again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel
>>344309908
Makes him the perfect terrorist. Delta can't stop Carlos no matter what.
>>344309883
Probably a few months out.
Honestly, though. For all the games flaws (and I can see from the thread there are plenty), I still enjoyed the ride. I get why the general reaction I've seen outside of /v/ has been "good, but 999/VLR are better".
>>344310086
good point, surprised that was never brought up ingame
>>344310101
but what aboout muh mind hacks deus ex machina
>>344310086
maybe the stronger shifter always wins. ZTD Carlos can shift with fireman Carlos, but not the other way around.
>>344309883
PLACE YOUR BETS ON HOW HE WILL EXPLAIN KYLE AND ??? AWAY
>He only had the ability to travel along the same timeline so he could only be in the ones that lead to VLR future and he ended up being second Carlos
>>344310086
In most cases they SHIFT to literal seconds before dying, so there's not a whole lot of time to get your bearings and SHIFT to safety.
>>344310086
I suppose the moral could also be viewed as "is it morally just to place someone into a situation of grave danger without their knowledge, and then force them to make the decision to place someone else into that situation without their knowledge".
Which is more wordy and less impactful than "dooming another version of yourself to die", but still.
>>344309920
I dunno, I was convinced he was a good guy
I never thought that Uchi would make the Left-looking bastard actually be evil--it just would be trite.
>>344310305
Carlos can just keep shifting to a timeline where Delta chocked on a dick an come up wit crazy plans.
>>344310198
if I played all three games on my own and never talked about them with other people, ztd would be the most forgettable. the jokes and these 10 days of constant threads has made this game memorable.
>mfw Eric's backstory slowly got more and more fucked up
Is Carlos the strongest video game protagonist? He literally can't die.
Why do ZTD animations and models look worse than VLR's?
>>344309132
The twist regarding the location is it's right in Disneyland and the participants can't see anyone else because of mind-altering drugs. It's never explained why they could not touch them.
>>344310437
This is the franchise where the murderer literally ended up being the snarky asshole who betrays at every opportunity and backstabs everyone in the game even before he starts killing them
Are you really that surprised
>>344307920
the premium booklet, duh.
it's on your steam installation folder
>>344310583
The absolute madman
>>344310594
Because the budget was 6 tacos and a hamburger
>>344310583
Finally.
A protag that looks like me AND shares my name. I'm happy to be alive!
>>344309694
heiwa... desune
>>344310594
Cause the last time they needed to make like five animations for each character, not 10 hour movie
>>344310783
Not him but
UPLOAD FUCKING WHERE
Bought it on 3DS so I could play it on a trip and now everyone is talking about this fuckin booklet. Is it just a PDF? Can someone just slap it on MEGA for the less fortunate among us?
I don't understand the 2nd Carlos. Didn't that just happened in one timeline?
>>344310959
Well considering ZTD's cinematics suck maybe they should've just stuck with the VN style.
>>344310594
They really wanted to go with a big cinematic feel and didn't want to just do portraits and occasional six second clips of choppy animation, but clearly didn't have the budget to make it work they way it should've.
I can at least appreciate the sentiment.
>>344310783
I bought the 3ds edition for the watch so im sure i wont have the booklet
>>344310721
Surprised? Carlos's character turned out exactly how I expected it to be. I'm not sure what you're referring to.
>>344307867
Pretty sure its Phi who says that during D-1 timeline, after D Team have retreated to the lounge away from the bomb
>>344310372
>kyle is gab
>? is delta
>>344311062
but todays audience doesnt like to read
>>344307528
Lmao, this is hilarious.
I am sure Junpei is the only one that suffered kek
>kyle gets his consciousness back in time too far
>ended up being placed in a soulless baby
>1904, shits fucked, prodded by scientists
>angry, confused
>>344310583
Is that his power?
>>344311029
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZeroEscape/comments/4r903l/spoilers_all_full_text_ztd_prequel_from_the_art/
>>344311038
it's the same as delta and phi, they and carlos were both sent to before the desicion game, hence no branching timelines.
>>344311175
>succesfull VN all around
>p-people just hate to read!
So was Delta/Zero actually a nazi? Since he was born/found in Germany and they had that alien technology during the Third Reich
>>344311128
My bad, when you said the Left looking bastard I thought you meant Delta and how the big villain is literally the most stereotypically evil looking motherfucker ever.
I honestly thought Carlos was gonna be Sigma's son, after the foreshadowing on the VLR cover I saw how it looked like he and Sigma had a similar scar and figured that had to be it
Does anyone have a pic of carlos with that smug bloody fave saying shoot me?
>Tfw my gamestop still hasn't gotten my SE preorder in
Is there an official statement or something? This is annoying
>>344311354
I can't be bothered to search for the interview/whatever where uchikoshi said it. But yeah - VNs are niche because most people cant be bothered to read long text passages. It's a shame for people who actually like to read, but that's how it is
>>344311419
Nazis weren't complex enough for him
What the fuck was up with his eyes?
I was so hyped when they revealed this art. God damn it
One hour left.
hitbox tv/Blick-Winkel
>>344311649
>What the fuck was up with his eyes?
How do you make someone look evil? Just give him a mustache or weird eyes.
>>344311773
Why does Sigma and Carlos look like they have huge scars?
>>344310086
>If they're SHIFTers, then when they get kicked out of their current state from another version of their consciousness that chooses to SHIFT, they can just SHIFT again.
See Mira's kill spree after D-Team's Drink Antidote branch. VLR Sigma SHIFTs into shanked Sigma and dies right there because "my SHIFT connection's been cut".
>>344311062
It wouldn't work with "ZERO IS A CAMERA" plot twist, and sometimes cinematic approach worked very well I think. If only they had resources of the likes of telltale, it would be a significantly better game.
Literally shounen shit ending.
Atleast shitronpa actually has characters permanently dead.
Does Junpei know what he's in for by hooking up with the ultimate rusemistress? She probably makes grocery shopping into some convoluted plan to save the universe
>there was an extra person all along!
The idea wasn't retarded but the execution was. There were plenty of times where a guy in a wheelchair would've been spotted or even mentioned at some point (going up the stairs to fire the grenade for example) and yet he isn't.
Another thing is that blood gushing virus. I figured that it would come into play given how comical Akane and Carlos's deaths were when they got cut in the neck but nope never mentioned outside of the biolab.
>>344311773
>jumpy still wearing his leather jacket
>>344310852
I'm going to marry anon!
>>344311864
they are all VLR Sigma
>>344312029
>mfw "If we work together we can accomplish anything"
>When Mira is a serial killing psychopath and Eric is a spineless violent retard
>>344312158
No budget for a jacket.
Looking back, I'm really disappointed the teams only got together at 75% in the game.
I would've loved to see more Sigma/Akane interactions for instance.
>>344312181
Gotta love the 3DS version
>people on here are still pretending that this game is the worst thing ever made
>in reality the game is actually pretty good all things considered
Never change /v/
>>344311963
Where?
>>344312114
>blood gushing virus
lmao
Fanatic Bio R
FanaticBioR
FaBRication
>>344311864
>VLR Sigma SHIFTs into shanked Sigma and dies right there
I was under the impression that was still Old Sigma
>>344312208
They are all Old Sigma
>>344312029
Why would you expect any different when the two previous games' true endings also resulted in everyone being alive at the end?
>>344312114
Fanatic Bio R was an analogy for the religious terrorist that wipes out humanity
Radical 6 = 75% (6 billion)
FBR = 100% (8 billion)
>>344312321
>FaBRication
Is memory awful or something because I thought that the right choice was to inject yourself.
>>344312303
this, the game is perfect and the best entry in the franchise.
if the retard tha always posts the same picture says so it must be true
>>344312303
It would be good if it wasn't billed as the finale to the series
We will never have a chance to see these characters interact again outside of the weak bullshit with literally no character development here, or another conclusion to the story besides this one and that fucking sucks
>>344312303
We are mostly in an agreement that it's good, but it's impossible not to be disappointed in the ending and some other stuff. I liked it all things considered
Im suprise zero actuallylet Sean out in the ending despite he is a robot with a large head and probably cannot blend into any society.
>>344312114
The door of the study was open. They just left Delta outside the room when they used the rocket launcher.
>>344312386
Old Sigma = VLR Sigma
>>344312303
http://www.strawpoll.me/10670353/r
>Sigma doesn't end up being the godlike desperate savior of the human race he spent 45 years becoming
He is the best character along with Akane in terms of power and
At the end of VLR he was a train going at maximum speed
>teamed up with Akane to save the world
>did things because they were necessary to be done, no complex motives
>driven by hope for a better world
Yet when ZTD starts he's mr arms crossed reserved mcgee. Instead of SHIFTing around from the start to abuse the facility, we only hear about his mission in passing.
>"yeh, me and phi came from the future to stop this madman"
>proceeds to mostly do nothing until shit is already fucked
Does anyone knows the sales of ZTD?
>>344312543
He says it himself, the choice doesn't matter right there in the moment. It's just supposed to foreshadow Zero's plan and how obviously Radical-6 is the right answer (unless you take the chance on FBR/the terrorist not being real or coming to fruition like in the Final End).
>>344311458
It's cool.
I assumed that Carlos would just be a regular guy with no connection to Free the Soul. Nonetheless, I still liked to think that he actually was related to Brother or Left but was unaware of it and had lived a normal life (or a lie). Would've made for a fun character arc.
>>344312659
Yeah, sure, after 45 years.
I wanna take advantage of Akane!
>>344312730
absolutely terrible in japan
then again the budget was minuscule
I'd say alright on steam since they get a bigger part of the money
>>344312792
but the Sigma at the start of the game is the VLR Sigma that shifted back
Rank the killers from each game: Ace, Dio and Mira
>>344312720
He was freaking out during the prologue before he realized telling everyone about his mission from the future was a bad idea and would just get him locked up for being a crazy person
>>344312681
I'm hard pressed to argue with those results, that feels like a pretty accurate spread of people who'd be interested enough in the game to answer a poll on it.
>>344312634
Then explain the standoff. Delta was behind Sean and (seemingly) unharmed despite the grenade landing only a few feet in front of him. There's no way they'd have time to move him.
>>344312937
Uh, no.
What the hell are you talking about? They mention time and time again that it's and old mind in a young body.
>>344312842
I think we can all agree on this. Carlos and Delta are amazing sources for memes
Why do Japanese suck at series finales?
Just look at Kojima and how he botched MGSV
The only series I can think of that had a decent finale was the AA Trilogy
Why didn't they just go to a timeline where the religious extremist decided to play shitty VNs instead of starting the apocalypse?
>>344312965
he can move himself
After lurking these threads is pretty clear that the people that really like this game are new to the series and are the kind of retards that only hang around to spout memes like this >>344312842
>>344312543
inject - either Diana blows the shelter up or Mira kills everyone and escapes
don't inject - either Diana blows the shelter up or team q blows up Mira prompting her to inject someone with radical 6 before they escape (this would happen even if Diana's the one to fail to deactivate the bomb)
either way it's bad
>>344312771
There are so many missed opportunities with the character arcs honestly
I wanted to see Eric realize his value as a person and that Mira treats him like dirt, then when she tries to kill Sean and escape he protects him and she's genuinely confused and freaked out because she doesnt understand human emotions/the consequences of her murders and she thinks that he wants Sean to die so that they can both escape so she has no idea what's going on when he protects Sean or something like that
Would have given Eric some actual development as a person and would have made her a sympathetic character without downplaying the fact that she murdered like 20 people
>>344312386
45-years-of-prep Sigma, whoops.
>>344312548
I never even said it's fucking perfect, Jesus Christ.
>>344313047
In those timelines, Zero Escape doesn't exist
>>344312303
You're right, the game is good despite
the animations and voice acting being subpar
dropping parts of the previous game (Kyle and ?) completely
the alien technology out of nowhere that will fix any timeline issues that might arise
the poorly handled twist
the anticlimatic ending both in execution and lack of information other than muh complex motives
>>344313135
fucking this, his backstory was spread out well and I just wanted to see him find some way to stop being an annoying dipshit
>>344312793
That's tasteless, anon.
Have this tasteless pic.
>>344313037
Carlos is pretty fantastic too.
>>344313036
is this bait? did you even play VLR?
>>344312950
>locked in a cage with two other people
>two other groups locked in a cage
>mysterious man with coin
>PROCEED TO SAY NOTHING ABOUT BROTHER OR FTS OR RADICAL-6 OUTBREAK
In a situation like that, where everyone wants answers, it doesn't seem unreasonable to drop it all on them, especially when Phi and Akane AND Delta can confirm it.
>>344313257
pretty much, it's good despite that
>>344312616
2029 robotics may have gone a long way.
>>344313063
Yeah I'm sure the blind and deaf old man would be able to maneuver himself away from a grenade he had no way of knowing was launched.
>>344312938
Ace went from selfless friendly guy to insane terrifying psychopath quicker than anything and so many of his scenes are still the best in the game (plus Clover with the axe ending was god-tier too)
Some of the VLR sequences were frightening when everyone is dying one by one and you and Phi are trying to figure it out but Dio was just a bitch
Mira is terrible and never feels all that frightening except in the one D-Team ending and at the end she gets a free pass because lol morphogenetic field made her not a total psycho
>>344312730
Less than half of 999's and VLR's first week sales in Japan. About 10,000 on Steam worldwide. US sales are unknown.
>>344313336
Did you? What the hell do you even mean with "VLR Sigma" ?
It's the Sigma that did VLR, shifted back to the past, got all lonely for 45 years on the moon, and then shifted back to to ZTD.
That's the Sigma we're seeing in ZTD. So yes, in a sense, it is VLR Sigma.
yada yada story was okay, characterization was okay, music was decent, puzzles were eh, character development/interactions were pretty good, mystery and intrigue were top notch
explanation and resolution... fucking shit. absolute ass-garbage hamfisted stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid.
In retrospect, what is your opinion on each game in the series?
Sean was probably going to be Left before the story got fucked by muh new audience. Would explain Uchikoshi's remark about Dio being in the game but not in the way we'd think, and why Delta would give enough of a shit about him to devote part of his plan to him.
>>344313404
he isn't blind and deaf
>>344313386
I was being sarcastic. The game was average at best and a terrible end to the series.
>>344312303
I think it's nearly as great as other games in the series, just rough on many edges due to budget of ten-month supply of dog food. But memes here are on another level
>>344313317
>we will never get to make this decision
Damn you, Uchi
>>344313336
First Sigma -> Forced to future by Old Sigma's jump
Old Sigma -> ZTD, then is forced to the future future by First Sigma's jump to start moonbase
First Sigma -> creates moonbase and VLR, is now Old Sigma
Repeat
Each Sigma in the game is the Sigma that teleports back after creating the moonbase in VLR.
>>344313257
>the animations
The game is on a tight budget, you know.
>voice acting being subpar
That's called an opinion.
I agree with most of your other points, though.
I think most people like it because is the first one they were able to solve without guides considering how much people suck at puzzles
>>344313505
999: 9/10 story (alice, seven's memory), 4/10 gameplay
VLR: 9/10 story (sequel bait), 8/10 gameplay (BEEP BEEP BEEP)
ZTD: 8/10 story (sequel bait when there's no sequel, no kyle, no ?), 9.5/10 gameplay (WHERE'S MY FINAL PUZZLE ROOM UCHI)
>>344313602
No shit, everyone was told that he was. Wouldn't it raise questions if he just starts wheeling himself away from danger? Mira and Eric didn't say anything about the old man in any way at all. That he died as well, that he wheeled himself, or that they needed to/had moved him.
Worst puzzle:
The heart
>>344313756
I was hyped for the q room to end all q rooms, but the last 2 hours were basically only cutscenes
I'm a bit peeved
>>344313863
Its gotta be the flower puzzle.
>its the invert surrounding tiles puzzle!
>BUT NOW THERE'S THREE POSSIBLE STATES
just end it senpai
>>344313575
Instead now Sean was just some random super genius kid that Delta knew
>>344313863
fuck me I shouldn't have had as hard a time with that one as I did
>>344313863
My only complaint with the puzzles was that some of them felt really disconnected in the steps taken to solve the room as a whole. There was also at least two instances where something in the room had changed without any indication. I can't remember what they were but I remember being clueless for 10 minutes until I resorted to examining everything again only to find that something was different for whatever reason.
>>344313575
Yeah that was fucking bullshit
>The game is supposed to be for the fans
Then why did you drop all these fucking plot points like Kyle and Dio and ? for no reason and why do the characters never talk outside of their shitty pre-established groups
>Well it's also for new fans too
THEN WHY IS THE WHOLE THING BASED ON A CONFLICT FROM THE LAST GAME THAT ONLY EVER GETS BROUGHT UP LIKE ONCE
>>344313505
999 was a great standalone game but introduced all the supernatural morphogenetic field shit too suddenly (I mean they talk about it theoretically for the whole game then Junpei somehow remembers the number wow spooky and ten minutes later he's fucking talking with ten year old Akane through spacetime) and it made the ending really wonky
VLR has some rough patches (LOL THE ENDING) and the characters aren't as good but when it shines it REALLY fuckin shines and the AB Game is still the best game of all of them
ZTD is a clusterfuck with some really amazing scenes and ideas mixed in that technically ends it on an airtight note at the expense of actual character motivation and development and sensible plot twists
>>344313715
Going full cinematic was the stupidest thing they could have done if they were on a tight budget. They could have made a passable game with a more modest presentation.
>>344313863
No, it's the cube in the Infirmary locker with its bullshit restricted camera.
>>344313863
Why were the pieces so goddamn light-colored
It made my eyes hurt
>>344307305
Fuck Junpei / Marry Carlos / Betray Sigma / Kill Eric is the only acceptable answer here.
>>344314142
Can someone explain this "top 10 anime battles" meme?
>>344313863
The 3D cube in the rec room that you couldn't rotate properly was fucking bullshit
Hate to be with the bandwagon of everyone being nitpicky about this game, but what happened to the puzzles?
There were many that were literally the same thing but with a different skin (rotate the 3D object so that the pictures line up, fit all the items in the box).
I get that it's on a budget but you know something's wrong when even I can beat the game without a guide.
ZTD's flawed nature is understandable considering the budget restraints and how narrowly it got made in the first place, just a shame that it wasn't made under better circumstances
>>344314265
It's just that YT video with stupid images photoshopped in for the icon
>>344314218
>Fuck Junpei
>Betray Sigma
t. Clover
>>344314335
>it's the budget's fault
Nice spacegoat. Just accept Uchikoshi fucked up
New thread where, we're on page 6
>>344313812
sure it would raise questions, and it did raise questions 2 seconds after the branch ended.
>>344313863
>place the shapes so x's hit the x marks
Literally just start with the largest shapes and put them in the only spots they fit in. Probably the easiest puzzles in the series.
>>344313756
>9.5/10 gameplay
I'm curious as to why you think this
>>344312965
Sean was defending Delta, not himself, and Eric blow two of them with one grenade. Look at picrelated, there is second cloud of smoke.
>>344314295
puzzles are too videogamey, they wanted more of a cinematic experience this time
like the telltale games where the "puzzles" are now just no existent
>>344313863
That roulette where you had to input 4 letters. Fuck any anagram when english isn't your native language.
>>344314390
>It's just that YT video with stupid images photoshopped in for the icon
That's really unfunny.
>>344313575
And, most importantly, it would provide some meaning to why were lead to believe in the promo materials that Sean was Q.
>>344314508
There are no x's in the heart puzzle.
ZTD stream starting in 20 minutes
hitbox / blick-winkel
>>344313715
How is everything a cutscene cheaper than the VN format?
>>344314554
It's a good thing they didn't explode and there is no blood splatter
>>344314582
>having troubles with a 4 letter anagram where the word in question is directly related to the place that you're inserting it
>>344313863
In memory.
>>344314591
I never said it was.
>>344314582
>decode the password wrong
>get "MILF"
>this can't be right
>it isn't
>>344314451
Nah, the third of the game he actually wrote himself is pretty good.
>>344314692
No lie, rigging models is cheaper than drawing individual sprites for every animation.
It's part of the reason why Ace Attorney did the same.
>>344314142
Stop making me sad, Jesus Christ.
Do you realize how much better the story would be if their target wasn't for people who are new to the series?
I blame Japan for not buying VLR. This shit wouldn't have happened if they didn't have a stick up their ass about how the game isn't filled with fanservice.
>>344314718
>>344313863
>people actually had problems with this
How does it feel to be bad at puzzles?
>>344314582
Don't excuse native language for inability to read, anon.
Jag hade inga problem med det.
And you shouldn't have had any issues either.
>>344314906
At least give it to the fucking flower puzzle, that shit wasn't even a puzzle, just tedious.
>>344313135
Yeah, while I'm cool with thinking about the game's failings the lack of character development is the one thing that bothers me.
This may not just apply to this, but it's almost like the game was cut short by 15 hours or something.
Carlos's background doesn't even fit into the snail or VLR shit whatsoever, unlike everyone else, and this is weird considering how he's as close to a main protag as we got.
>>344314978
>flower puzzle
I pressed random buttons until I got it to work, I still don't understand it to this day.
>>344315163
Apparently, the center piece you press moves 2 bits (wilt-bud-bloom) and anything in a + pattern around moves 1 bit (wilt-bud)
>>344314523
puzzles were excellent, at least to me because I'm not a huge moron
flowchart was very useful, fragments let you have control over what to expect and pick
the pacing of gameplay was pretty good, except for the lack of a puzzle
I really liked the decisions
of course it's 9.5 for a VN
>Mira just magically fixes her psychopathy.
>Eric doesn't care that she killed his mom and ruined his life.
>Akane doesn't care that she got her parents fucked over
>Nobody cares that she was kind of in on it from the start and started both games.
>Nobody cares that she did fuck-all with the free will that Zero gave her.
Akane should've been the one to kill Mira after finding out about her parents. Then she finds Junpei's dead body and snaps.
>>344315361
>puzzles were excellent, at least to me because I'm not a huge moron
Nothing to brag about being able to solve the easiest and weakest puzzles in the series
>>344313496
I'll stand by 999 being a genuinely great game without needing the sequels. Loved the atmosphere, character interactions, and the answers to the mysteries were really unexpected and satisfying (I hadn't read any Uchikoshi VNs before this point)
VLR felt like a worthy sequel to 999. While it got a bit wacky with time travel shenanigans compared to 999's relatively subtle and reserved use of it. I loved Sigma and Phi's dynamic, probably the best pair of characters in the game and source of my favorite dialogue in the series. It left on a cliffhanger and served as great set up for a sequel.
ZTD, in my opinion, doesn't work very well as a sequel to VLR or as a conclusion to the trilogy. The returning characters feel a bit off, Sigma and Phi's dynamic doesn't get many opportunities to show itself, Akane acts unbelievably violent and rash at times for someone who is an expert at distancing herself from emotions and forming elaborate schemes. Junpei, while understandably different after the events of 999, felt a little too drastically changed after only a year, and his proposal to Akane felt a little unbelievable after bickering with Akane for most of the game and realizing she isn't who he thought she was. I wish Junpei realized that the Akane he fell in love with was a mere facade and came to terms with it instead.
The new characters were a mixed bag, Carlos was a blast to watch and learning more about Dianna was interesting. Mira and Sean felt pretty dull in comparison though.
Overall, I thought ZTD was a fun ride, but as a Zero Escape fan it felt lacking as a sequel to VLR and conclusion to the trilogy. Various elements, such as characterization and the ayy lmaos, put me off and makes me seperate ZTD from the other two in my mind. It's fun on its own but when paired with the rest of the series it becomes a bit of a clusterfuck. Problem is, there are so many returning elements from the other ZE games that it doesn't really work stand alone either.
>>344315535
I'm not bragging, I'm looking down on those who are complaining
just see this thread
>>344296071
Source?
>>344315519
read the fucking files
>>344313324
>Not even using the superior version
>>344315729
I did. Her mental disorder was magically fixed. Then they break her out of jail to go on time travelling adventures.
>>344315917
she had basically autism, she wasn't a psychopath
she genuinely believed what her mother and that woman told her when she was a kid, and thought it was fine to murder people just to feel their hearts
and that wasn't fixed, she just got autismed into believing the opposite
>>344315535
Nah, 999 puzzles were much easier. And there was plenty of very decent puzzles in ZTD. I really liked the pod room and equations in transporter room.
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