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Wasn't the bomb shelter Dcom?
My motives...
>>344181853
...are very complex.
They require half a pint of alien juice, an ounce of Diana's tears, and Sigma's semen.
>>344182047
What the fuck, anon.
I hate that this isn't even that far from the truth
In the ending where D Team melts the others in Decon room why did Diana get mindhacked to run back into the shelter?
The other two are plausible but Diana just runs back in to be berated and laughed at by Zero for being a piece of shit even though he knows he used MIND HAKKU on her
What was the point? Was he just being a bitch? After 124 years was he STILL pissed that Phi got the good transporter pod and he got the one they banged in?
>>344182492
>After 124 years was he STILL pissed that Phi got the good transporter pod and he got the one they banged in?
But we proved last thread Phi got the sexpod
>>344182492
>was he STILL pissed that Phi got the good transporter pod and he got the one they banged in?
>>344181764
Does anyone have png samples of the "Time To Decide" and "Your Choice Is Made" logos?
>>344182770
Here you are, anon.
>>344180552
The brooch was clear from the incinerator, the second I initially guessed as "hairclasp" (not thinking about the possibility of a space) since it looked like a type of similar item that Diana had.
I found it interesting that it was a dual-coded answer to either "Blue Bird" or "Music Box" (that was the one I used first, and went back to check the other).
Reminder that delta did nothing wrong
>>344182893
My nigga
POST YOUR BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENTS WITH THIS CLUSTERFUCK
>No interaction between the teams so basically no dialogue with anyone except the characters they already know (wtf was this)
>Boss Phi becomes the Snake/Quark of this game by spending the entire thing dead
>Zero isn't also a SHIFTer who starts to follow you around the timelines fucking with you in the flowchart and changing history to ruin your plans
>The Force Quit box just made the whole shelter blow up instead of making it fall apart and revealing that the whole thing was a simulation in the quantum computer run by Kyle to find a timeline where Radical-6 didn't escape
>>344182681
>The end of this timeline is that Sigma, Diana and the left behind original babies starve to death in the shelter
damn
So, quick question, every bad ending in 999, Did Akami have to experience every single one personally?
I'm surprised none of them traumatized her.
>>344183178
No, that's why Delta put the Blue Button in there. So they could go out on their own terms.
>>344183302
>Akami
This game would have been so much better and easier to take seriously if it didn't straight look like a PS2 game
>>344183169
I think your first point is the most applicable. After two games where there always was a shuffling around of teammates, it was a bit jarring to be in a locked-in situation.
>>344183302
>>I'm surprised none of them traumatized her.
You sure?
>>344183302
Yes, this is the reason she doesn't like seeing Junpei killed
Also
>Akami
>>344181880
Delta Mind Hacks Eric and Mira, finds out his origin data was already secured, then recruits them to his cult or lets them go on their merry way.
1904 Phi still wants to welcome her infant clone arriving in 2008.
Since Diana and Sigma in their new timeline would have zero relation to their original parents, the twins use Eric and Mira's data to take a vacation on the Transporter and greet the family they could never have.
>>344183392
Oh please, the graphics are at the bottom of this game's list of problems.
Who did you MIND HACK today, /v/?
Smut thread >>>/aco/686648
>>344183510
>>344183486
Lack of sleep because I finished the game when I should have been sleeping, It's Akane
In a bit of a clever moment, I realize that elder Akane's breakdown when going through door 3 is quite the misdirection. She's not breaking down because of the dead body, she's breaking down because she knows there is only one way this particular route is going to end.
>>344184190
I immediately pressed it without hesitation.
>>344183169
>No D-Team Epilogues
PLEASE
>>344183482
>>344182047
>Plot twist, Delta gave Carlos an extra something on top of the memory loss drug. He's been high the whole game
Seriously, why did he forget about Snake
At least Seven and Lotus got mentions
>999
>Main plot twist: You were secretly playing the game from Zero's perspective the whole time
>VLR
>Main plot twist: You were secretly playing the game from Zero's perspective the whole time
>ZTD
>Main plot twist: You were secretly playing the game from Zero's perspective the whole time
And we'll all fucking fall for it the next time too, even though the explanation for it will be even more retarded.
There is no Escape from Zero.
>>344185295
You got the uncropped picture?
>>344185769
>next time
>implying
This was the finale in the trilogy and after it took a whole social media fiasco to even get this made if it doesn't sell well the man won't get picked up by another publisher/developer for all eternity
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>344187683
I don't care by this point
He'll probably do a large-scale Kickstarter campaign which won't succeed, then a reasonable one which will
>>344185769
>999Only the bottom screen, the majority of the game was still from Junpei's perspective.
>VLR
True.
>ZTDThe main twist was that Zero was there the whole time and was Q. You weren't viewing the game from his perspective.
>>344182893
Is there only a static version available? Would be nice to have an animation.
>>344189230
I thoughtDelta mindhacked Carlos/Diana/Sean during Decision games and watched everything through surveillance cameras
>>344189453
exploitable gifs are a bitch and a half
>>344183169
> Left is mostly irrelevant
> Rad-6 is now just a macguffin
>>344189575
CanDelta mindhack through security cameras?
>>344189453
Unfortunately, not yet. I guess someone would need to post the right assets first, and then one of us could work on it.
Finally done with ZTD.
Loved the game, the spoilers were freaking sick.
But it felt like such a chore to me doing all the freaking rooms, even moreso than the older games.So Delta's reason for ZTD is to just change their mindset?
>>344187683
Yeah, and there was a poll up for a while that had a ton more people preferring a new traditional VN style game from Uchi than ZE4. I'm not saying that the poll is indeed a perfect representation of all his fans, but if it's any measure of the truth then Uchi might not even have the right support and prerogative to make another ZE.
There's just so many things like that which make ZE4 nothing more than a pipe dream.
>>344185769
> VLRHe's not Zero yet though.
>>344190024
No but is ZTD not supposed to be the final game in the series? I don't think he wants to make another even if he gets the green light.
>>344189575
It's heavily implied that the player acts as the mindhacking Delta when you're making choices.
>>344189845
>>344189230
You were literally watching the entirety of ZTD from Delta's eyes, either directly or via cameras with direct feed to his glasses.
Hence the transitions where the screen gets covered in white noise and blips out like a TV signal.
>>344190024
>I'm not saying that the poll is indeed a perfect representation of all his fans
Let's not kid ourselves, it is.
>>344190420
That's my point exactly. I said "there's just so many things like that"...which also includes Uchi's apparent lack of interest in continuing.
What I was just trying to say is that even if he was open to the idea and wanted to do something for his fans, it probably still wouldn't be ZE4.
>>344190598
And when characters are obfuscating information from Delta, they're obfuscating it from the player.
Were we wrong? Should we have just let Uchi recycle Infinity?
>>344190024
Here's the poll if anyone's curious. The majority is definitely in favor of going back to the traditional VN format.
>you will never find a secret ending tying all the loose ends
>>344190746
...Alright, you got me there.
>>344182492
Diana ran back of her own volition. She was hiding from her ex-husband.
So it would seem that the only real antagonist in this series, with no altruistic excuse for his actions, was Ace.
>>344191194
Is that poll with ZTD's proper ending? Because I can't see it.
>>344183169
>Akane's character is a complete clusterfuck, she isn't what she was supposed to be
>Sigma and Phi's shifting ability completely useless
>no Kyle, no ?
>no Santa, no Snake
>why the fuck Mira and Eric even were there
>decision segment was pretty okay, but turned completely useless when you knew you have to do the two options anyway, so there wasn't any weight put to your decisions
>too much needless gore
>ayy lmaos
Yeah, I was disappointed.
I'm thinking about buying this game. I watched a walkthrough of 999, but nothing of Virtue's last reward. Should I watch a walkthrough of VLR before buying ZTD?
>>344191194
>>344191494
http://www.strawpoll.me/10682237/r
my bad
>>344191609
VLR is better than ZTD desu
>>344191609
you are going to regret paying money for this game after the ending
Can i play that game, if i never played a zero escape game before?
>>344191609
don't buy ZTD
just play VLR and pretend ZTD doesn't exist
So, you think Eric and Mira ever actually had sex?
>>344191609
EVERY
FUCKING
THREAD
>>344191609
>watched a walkthrough of 999
>>344191571
>too much needless gore
What? They cut away from every violent scene, mostly because they couldn't animate it. Which really calls into question the entire 3D upgrade when half the time you're looking at walls and listening to a drama CD.
>>344191319
fucking christ this has to be the most illogical scene in the entire series
>in this deadly and mysterious game where your memories get REGULARLY WIPED Akane and Carlos both assume one of them absolutely has to be the killer
>neither of them ever once consider the incredibly likely, and logical, theory that an outside force deployed by Zero killed Junpei
>Akane's character suddenly goes from being the quirky girl next door to someone willing to murder within an instant
>>344191939
I doubt it, he gets pretty flustered when she mentions doing the horizontal tango.
>>344191852
Because implied insanity over losing Junpei is funny.
>>344191939
Fuck no. Sean had bigger chances
>>344185769
>Ever17
>The "player" is actually a interdimensional being that the characters of the game are trying to contact by recreating an event that happened 17 years in the past
>Remember11
>The antagonist of the game is trying to capture the player, an interdimensional being known as "That Guy" in an infinite time loop
Makes the Zero Escape series a little more disappointing having seen these elements used over 10 years prior
>>344191852
Still a far more tasteful edit than mine, anon.
>>344192128
There's infinite variations on timelines we never see, this was the dumb Akane one
>>344192229>interdimensional being known as "That Guy"or just Selfalso the poor bastard got totally fucked on, as opposed to Blick Winkel's willing creation of his own trap
I would honestly have preferred ZTD go that route instead of what it did
>>344191609
Do you want to miss out on a cool story that serves as a set up for another cool story.
Or do you just want to skip a cool story and play another cool story without getting a lot of references and the deeper meaning behind things.
Ask yourself that.
Just because ZTD is newer doesn't mean the 2 games that came before it aren't extremely good. You'll be doing yourself a disservice if you don't play VLR.
>>344192043
I quess I used the wrong word, they didn't show it on screen, but characters getting killed by toxic showers, becoming swiss cheese, getting axed, getting shot was too much. But that's me, I just don't like it, it was fine in the other games because it was toned down, but this time Uchikoshi went loose, there was no need to go that far.
>>344189963
That was one reason.The primary reason was to have Phi and him conceived with the epigenetic disposition they had, instead of a more "normal" result.
>>344192128
Akane was already established as willing to murder anyone and everyone for her own selifsh ends in 999. This wasn't out of character for her, we've just never seen her PERSONALLY use violence before.
>>344192229
Yeah, I played Ever17 after 999 and felt a little betrayed, then VLR came recycling some more plot elements and I stopped regarding Uchi as a good writer
His games are the same concept propped up by immense amounts of variable quality slice of life
And yet somehow I still like them a lot, I've got a soft spot for mystery box VNs
>>344191463
Ace is definitely the best villain in my opinion. All other zeros and murderers were either completely insane (mira), ordered to do it (dio), or required to take certain actions because of bootstrap paradoxes (delta, sigma, akane). Ace is the only one with a good albeit selfish motive.
>>344192864
>>344192229
I just like theory/mystery/pseudoscience, but if there are no answers ever coming it just becomes unfulfilling.
>>344190163
That's both no and yes.His mind is from his 22 year old self, but his body is his old body that he introduces himself (via the hologram) to be zero.
>>344192864
I mean holy shit Danganronpa has some of the dumbest, most autistic dialogue I've seen this side of videogames but the murder plots they come up with are fucking glorious
>tfw the entire point of Akane's character, which is believing that the ends justify the means even though you really don't want them to, is completely ignored
>tfw Junpei is just a boring piece of shit
>tfw Sigma is a recycled young Sigma despite being old
>tfw Phi's character is hamfisted as hell
>tfw Diana is basically Ever17's Sora but even less interesting
>tfw Eric is obnoxious
>tfw Mira is uninteresting
>tfw Sean has nothing going for him once the reveal is over
>tfw Carlos is the only halfway-decent character and he gets little chance to show it, then acts like a fucking idiot a lot of the time because Uchikoshi needed that to happen
>tfw no Aoi
>>344193287
I pretty much played both Danganronpas for the mystery cases. The ending of the first game wasn't that bad but the ending of the second game was shit. I had to pull through and finish it because I really didn't want to continue with that last """case""".
>>344192864
I read Ever17 before any of the others, but I still enjoyed the ZE series and Remember11. Even if they tread old ground, I enjoy the scenarios with people being trapped and murdering each other.
I will always like Ever17 for doing it earlier and Remember11 is my favorite for having unique twists and concepts that didn't get recycled in later works.
Now I just have to read Never7 and wait for the 12Riven translation (ETA: Never)
>>344192128
>>Akane's character suddenly goes from being the quirky girl next door to someone willing to murder within an instant
Mind hack muthafucka
>>344193420
I wonder how much of a difference did the extra writers make, was it like with Mass Effect 3? I'm also reminded of Prototype 2 and its complete rewrite of EVERY returning character, like it was an alternate history non-reboot.
>>344191571
>decision segment was pretty okay, but turned completely useless when you knew you have to do the two options anyway, so there wasn't any weight put to your decisions
Moral decisions seem difficult to convey in games, all they do is encourage experimentation.
>>344193770
>Now I just have to read Never7
aaaaahaha
>>344193770
Is Remember 11 worth it if it isn't finished? Never bothered with it because of this.
>>344192128
She gets nuclear when Junpei is hurt/ded
>>344193287
This is probably the only reason I like DR
I sorta like the mystery of who killed who, but goddamn I hate the finale everytime
Box 15 is a damn good song though
>>344193709
>The ending of the first game wasn't that bad but the ending of the second game was shit.
Jesus Christ that non-twist
>start the game with the protagonist entering a virtual reality with 8bit motifs fucking everywhere
>pretend it's a surprise
I did shout TIME SKIP! in the first game as soon as Makoto felt dizzy but that wasn't an error on their part, just a trope
These games also gain a lot being on handhelds, playing DR2 on PC was a chore
>>344192128
Speaking of which, where did she run off to before the confrontation?
>>344194063
see previous threads for the consensus on this
I was one of the people who told another person that remember11 is the best story I've ever read in a game because I meant it
this whole "oh it's unfinished" stigma is quite frankly bullshit, because you can easily piece together where things were going to go if you do a little research
>>344194063
Yes. Enough loose ends are tied up to explain what happens within the story. You'll see why people complain about a cliffhanger if you finish it, but honestly it doesn't devalue what takes place in the story.
>>344194385
>>344194407
Well after the wreck that was ZTD I don't think I can get more disappointed. Thank you I'll check it out.
>>344194014
I had a ~Game Idea~ that involved hashing and encrypting the save with a key unique to every copy and periodically scanning the computer for backups, just so players would have no option but to stick to the decisions they make
Then I realized every antivirus would classify such game as malware
>>344192229Self can also warp reality based on what he saw previously.
>>344192864
I played Ever17 after 999 and was surprised how much I got wrong. I think being a decent writer is all about the execution because there's nothing new under the sun.
still sad that one character can be completely replaced with a floating shotgun and you wouldn't even notice
>>344194063
It's a wild ride, it's only unfinished in that it doesn't spoonfeed you the answers like in Ever17. The answers are in there but yuo have to piece them together yourself.
Shame, an extra scenario would be nice.
Should I play the Danganronpa games next or the Ace Attorney games?
>>344195519
I like AA more
Dr twists are just retarded and plays more like an bad anime
>>344195424
>an extra scenario would be nice
I concur
>>344195519
There's only three Dangan Ronpa games and several Ace Attorney games. And out of the three DR games, you only need to play two really.
I'd say go for DR. The anime for it airs next week, too.
>>344183169
>my motives are complex
>>344183169
>having to repeat the "no, we could have woken up several times and don't remember it" conversation several times
>no skip function on by default to speed read through those conversations
Has anyone counted how many times this gets brought up over the course of the game? It's fucking astounding. It doesn't even need repeated that many times.
>>344196339
>No skip function
Just activate it in the options menu
Also VLR had way more repetition, with the Quark, Alice killing herself, the explanation of AB game constantly
Akane and Junpei actually got married
Are you satisfied? I'm not
>>344196339
It's the most natural thing for them to say, actually. It's like that Adam Sandler movie with the girl with 1 day memory, it's so silly that everytime she wakes up she goes through the process of realizing everything that's happened with her and her relationship and it emphasizes that. I agree that it's annoying, though.
>>344196568
And every time you change a room and you have to follow the dot.
>>344196731
Actually you're right, that one pissed me off the most
>>344196642
I wanted this so bad but the actual proposal scene was somewhat disappointing and the TEXT FILE epilogue was ridiculously disappointing
>>344196568
Virtue's Last Reward was a much longer game, and there was an easy option to skip repeated dialogue and stop for the new stuff.
>>344195970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIiNbGbs2dQ
His motives are... complex
>>344196919
The proposal was fine, but yes, the text file was disappointing.
>>344196948
Good luck trying to skip >>344196731
So why did Delta kill Gab
>>344197160
Literally no reason at all
People keep saying "oh it's so they had to shift back to the coin flip" but I really think they have brain damage or have been mind hacked because that's nonsense
>>344197160
He didn't want to leave the team with a reason to stay in that timeline, they needed nothing holding them back
>>344196568
>>344196689
My big gripe is that if the game was still in the VN format it wouldn't be as big of a deal. You can just speed read through the conversation until you its over.
I think the cutscene format hurt the game in a lot of ways. For the many new opportunities to show instead of tell, they did a lot of actions offscreen or had subpar animation work.
>>344197160
anon you know exactly what answers you'll get
>>344197160
complex motives
>>344196948
Twice as long according to my 3DS log.
>>344196919
At least it wasn't like Remember11, where an entire plot point and character goes unmentioned unless you dive into the text files
>>344197307
>>344197320
True poetry
>>344197252
This makes the most sense
I just finished the game last night
Things I didn't like:
-Not enough Phi
-MUH TERRORISTS seemed pretty shoe-horned in
-The final ending kind of just petered-out
-No Sigma/Phi/Diana epilogue
Things I liked:
-Diana and Sigma's baby end
-Sean shooting the camera when you entered in Delta, especially if you didn't know that Delta was in the room with them
-Having it end on a message of hope
Other thoughts:
Some of the puzzle rooms were good, others were shit(infirmary). The best puzzle room experience I had was still the final puzzle room in VLR. I'm conflicted on the ending, I'm glad that seven of them turned into bad-ass SHIFTers ready to defend the Earth, and that it's implied at the very end that they make their own decisions from now on, but like I said before, it felt like it just sort of...ended. Also, I don't know how to feel about the aliens. For one thing, aliens, but if we take into account the multiverse theory, it starts to make sense. Since every universe a person could imagine exists, there could be a universe where the aliens make that device and make it so that they can traverse through different histories. The only thing is, it can only go into histories where it's invented. So regardless, you still have the whole aliens thing.
>>344197479
>-Sean shooting the camera when you entered in Delta, especially if you didn't know that Delta was in the room with them
Loved this
>Make a Heart!
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>344197479
>Final Puzzle room
Man I was so bummed that ZTD didn't have one, The setting was perfect for it too, a 10 minute to finish escape room
It didn't need to actually be timed, like 999's final puzzle room, but something to up the stakes. Instead we got a lame decision game that really only had one option.
Having a final puzzle would have made 2 cool endings.
>>344197479
>Diana and Sigma's baby end
Arguably one of the best scenes in the entire series, I was shocked they had the balls to stay with the characters that long after the door closed
>>344197479
>Also, I don't know how to feel about the aliens.
Why wasn't it humans from the future or just fucking Wunderwaffe
>>344197984
>Arguably one of the best scenes in the entire series
Why didn't they die due to the poison that they didn't receive an antidote for in that timeline
So what was the meaning of "188 pounds"?
>>344198293
sigma's weight activating the gun chair
>>344198194
Maybe it was the same fuckery as the Q-team Radical-6 injection. Either that, or Zero knew that Mira and Eric were immune to Radical-6.
>>344198453
>the same fuckery as the Q-team Radical-6 injection
Impossible, that's not even a schrodinger's cat justification
The 100% kill virus never existed
>>344198194
I never was one for plothole-based critique. If a work makes me feel, it's good.
>>344198194
What poison? I thought they were not injected during that timeline
>>344198194
Phi was infected by the poison when she entered the incinerator, and it could be spread airborne. She was burned alive along with the air in the chamber, so the poison never got out.
There you go, plothole filled.
>>344197984
>>344197479
>Diana and Sigma's baby end
If the games were a TV show, this would have been the Emmy-winning episode. A couple minutes into it I was clenching my fist thinking "please let this be what I'm starting to hope it is", and it was.
I kind of wish it kept going all the way to their deaths for even more feels though. There was no need to spare us from that considering what game this is.
>>344198713
They were set to automatically be injected, because Q team had already been killed by that point, including Delta
There is absolutely no reason for them not to have received poison when they did in the other timelines, namely "Shoot: Live" and "Don't Shoot"
>>344198940
Fuck off Uchikoshi
>>344191767
>>>>>fucking implying
Why is everyone acting like ZTD's ending was so bad
I mean in terms of being a series ender? Yeah, it was disappointing. But everyone is forgetting that the last route of VLR was honest to god a thing that someone looked at and decided was suitable to be released. And 999's ending was a giant mess too
>>344199074
VLR ending was better than ZTD.
>>344199000
Yeah honestly for all the fuckups and stupid shit this game did that ending was one of the saddest in the franchise imo
Like even the premise was really dumb because again it was just Ever17 but worse but the last two scenes were killer. Matt Mercer is god-tier
>>344198105
I like to imagine that it was an experimental project and FtS dressed it up as alien technology because complex motives. I don't think anybody here raised a fuss whenRemember11had a workable if flawed time machine.
Also, if these aliens are so great why is it a fax machine and not a teleporter?
>>344199260
>Main twist shamelessly ripped from Ever17
>Akane pulls a knife out of fucking nowhere and lol that's the game folks
>Doesn't answer half the questions in the game and even raises more
>Sets up the world's biggest cliffhanger for a game they didn't even know they could make yet
>Drags down a god-tier game to being just an ok one because it relies so heavily on its (also super flawed) successor to answer all its fucking questions
VLR's ending made me so angry I almost didn't buy ZTD
>>344199642
>I don't think anybody here raised a fuss whenRemember11had a workable if flawed time machine.
Because that was the entire premise of the plot and not something shoved in to justify Akane and Junpei being able to exist in the VLR timeline when ordinarily they'd have been dead
Do you remember that part in VLR where it was mentioned that sending your entire body through time instead of just your consciousness, all using the morphogenetic field, was mentioned? Because I haven't forgotten despite Uchikoshi forgetting
So what purpose did this serve?
>>344199828
M I N D H A C K
>>344199642
>Also, if these aliens are so great why is it a fax machine and not a teleporter?
Because Uchikoshi wanted more clones and timelines
Reminder that Carlos did not shoot Delta because he would have been in prison in the epilogue had he done it.
>>344199828
complex motives
>>344199042
>There is absolutely no reason for them not to have received poison when they did in the other timelines, namely "Shoot: Live" and "Don't Shoot"
Thanks to cinematic story telling someone could always argue that they did receive and take the antidote but the game didn't show it.
>Sean points directly at camera
>"Zero is YOU, Delta!"
>Eric immediately tells him it's ridiculous and says something to the effect of "how could HE be evil?"
>Camera changes and we see Delta for the first time
>Ancient, super tall, perpetually scowling man in a wheelchair dressed in all black with weird high-tech glasses and black and purple eyes
lmaoooooooooooooo
The symbols on the Slot Machine in the Rec Room represent the 999 cast and their original bracelet numbers.
A chronological order for the events of every team could be useful. I mean, having the different time that each team got in their bracelet.
Why was there no final puzzle room? The game just takes a shit on you by turning the last few hours into nothing but cutscenes and exposition.
Game had potential but they ruined it.
1)Q should have been kid, no wheelchair Zero.Q's real identity was Kyle in generic blank Left's clone body.Kyle's latent ability was body takeover and shift from Sigma genes.
2) Zero should uave present more and contacting them during the game.
3)More gruesome and fucked up games.
4)Carlos,Q/Kyle and Sigma should have been protags, ONLY SHIFTERS aside Phi.
5)Phi is Zero's daughter, she was working for him.
6)Whole point of the game was to make Carlos,Kyle and Sigma strong enough to allow Kyle resonate to be able to hijack random body and save Left from dying in the past.
7)Brother's ability is to tap directly into morphogenetic field and see ALL timelines, data and other stuff.He is more or less omnipotent.
8)Junpei finds out about Quark and becomes depressed.
9)Final ending is Left and Brother being alive in present timeline, they simply end the game but they do not spread the virus which was motivation for espers to try and help him.
Surviors are Carlos, Kyle in Left's body, Sigma who is taking care of Kyle, Phi who goes back to Zero and Akane.
Junpei always kills himself, Mira/Eric were responsible for Left's death and Diana cannot be saved in non VLR timeline.
Humanity is saved.
10)? turns out to be original Left who after dying got trapped in morphogenetic field.
>>344199074
>And 999's ending was a giant mess too
In what way?
>>344200683
rofl
>>344197160
because Gab was Kyle, obviously.
>>344200742
That's pretty cool.
>>344199796
>Akane pulls a knife out of fucking nowhere and lol that's the game folks
kek
>>344200931
My Opinions
Get rid of the transporter
Zero is a Quantum computer enacting the 0th law of robotics, making timelines where humanity lives
>>344193420
>tfw when Carlos is the only halfway-decent character and he gets little change to show it
I feel that.
>The only character whose background doesn't even fit into the plot. He is a random fireman
>Arsonist burns down his house on the exact day he just so happens to finish his training. Really?
>Somehow his SHIFTing powers are far more powerful than Phi and Sigma's
>Besides this, pretty much the only fan theory as to why he's there is because he's the most morally upright and heroic since Delta didn't trust anyone else to be leader
>Looks like he's related to Dio but this goes absolutely nowhere
>Two...Carlos?
>>344199810
> Do you remember that part in VLR where it was mentioned that sending your entire body through time instead of just your consciousness, all using the morphogenetic field, was mentioned? Because I haven't forgotten despite Uchikoshi forgetting
Refresh my memory
>>344200931
Would have been way more satisfying, honestly.
>Sigma comments about "poor Q didn't even see that coming"
>no comment about literally finding glasses like the one Q's had
>>344200931
11. We see how Radical-6 is made and is released in every timeline accept the True Ending.
>>344199642
>Also, if these aliens are so great why is it a fax machine and not a teleporter?
Uchi did enough research to know that "teleporter" means "fax machine that shreds the source" and didn't want additional deaths.
>Everyone is okay with Mira being a psychopath and a murderer
>>344201638
Wasn't C-Team the one who found the glasses?
>>344201819
She's even more pointless than Eric in the story. Too edgy.
>>344200742
The SAD MAN wine should have been the preorder bonus.
>>344201819
>she's utterly useless the entire time
>zero lets her roam around randomly killing people because this won't ever hinder his plan at all
>eric doesn't even give a shit she killed his mom
>>344200931
I've seen worse OC donut steel plots but still makes less sense than ZTD
>>344201154
Now THAT would be a good twist. A lot of directions and endings that could come out of it too
>>344200963
Junpei is magically able to go from remembering an eight digit code with a lot of difficulty to straight up communicating across time and space within like fifteen minutes
Also jumps the shark with the morphogenetic field stuff really hard imo and it throws so much at you once he opens the 9 door without explaining any of it very well (lol the q door)
In hindsight it wasn't bad but it just threw everything on the table at once
>>344201107
That is literally how it ends though. Like, I'm not even exaggerating when I say that. It even fucking freeze frames RIGHT BEFORE THE KNIFE HITS PHI AND THEN THE CREDITS ROLL OVER THE FREEZE FRAME. WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING ENDING IS THAT.
There is the epilogue but that's just "lol pls buy zero escape 3 to find out how it ends :^)"
>>344200931
Brother's motive should have been trying to unite humanity through MF for complex reasons. I really wanted him to have an incredibly warped logic behind his "altruism" but not like this!
>>344201391
When describing Brother, it was a point that he could read minds and that he was rumored to be able to send his whole body through time
>>344200931
>Q should have been kid
>>344202278
>That is literally how it ends though. Like, I'm not even exaggerating when I say that. It even fucking freeze frames RIGHT BEFORE THE KNIFE HITS PHI AND THEN THE CREDITS ROLL OVER THE FREEZE FRAME. WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING ENDING IS THAT.
>
>There is the epilogue but that's just "lol pls buy zero escape 3 to find out how it ends :^)"
So that's not how it ends.
>>344199828
Gab can SHIFT too.
>>344202291
Oh his reasons were complex all right
>>344201819
>Rips Eric's heart out and kills him like four different ways, including once after the Game ends
>Literally chops Junpei into pieces and sticks him in a freezer
>Not only does everyone forgive her but she has a change of heart and decides to TURN HERSELF IN because somehow she is no longer a psychopath
Why the fuck did they try and make her a sympathetic character at the end? She was a serial killer who ruined both Eric and Akane's lives and nobody seemed to mind
>>344202567
Epilogue =/= ending
You =/= smart
>>344201819
she killed more people than Ace and unlike him she did it just for fun
but she has boobs so she gets a pass
>>344202868
you're right I stopped playing ZTD after I won the coin flip and the credits rolled
Anyone have a screenshot of Eric holding the shotgun with the camera behind him?
Need it for reasons
Can anyone explain why nobody was pointing their gun at Delta in the Q-team standoff? Why was anyone pointing at Sean at all since he doesn't have an X-pass?
>>344200890
Nevermind I forgot about this.
>>344201819
>>344202970
I don't think the characters were actually okay with it, they were just so busy with escaping an underground death chamber that they weren't really thinking about it at the end. I'm sure once they reached civilization, they would've turned her in if she hadn't done it herself.
>>344203234
Because Sean was the one with the weapon and Q was just sitting there presumably not able to see or hear anything
>>344203204
Wow those two things are completely equivalent. Good job you did it
>>344203234
>why nobody was pointing their gun at Delta in the Q-team standoff?
>pointing a gun at a blind and deaf old man in a wheelchair
>>344203234
Q's unarmed so I figured he's not much of a threat and should keep their eyes on the ones with weapons.
>>344191609
No. ZTD is good but it is the worst of the trilogy. Play the previous games before you play ZTD.
So I wasn't in the AX thread since I was actually at the panel, what was /v/'s reaction to Uchikoshi saying he used the same twist twice because he wanted to share it with a wider audience?
>>344203387
>>344203393
Yes but their goal was to kill one and get an X-pass. Why not kill the harmless old man?
>>344200904
That's my gripe as well. And then the game shows you some videos for 2 hours before you even get the first escape room. Pacing in this game was way too complex for my tastes.
>>344203234
I don't think a blind deaf guy in a wheelchair is dangerous. I won't point a gun at him where there's an unstable guy with a grenade launcher.
>>344183482
>those glasses
10/10 you are awesome
>>344203614
>Yes but their goal was to kill one and get an X-pass
What if their goal was to not get killed?
If Q is "blind and deaf", how could he follow or look at anyone?
>>344203817
COMPLEX
TWO CARLOS
or
ALIENS
You can only choose one.
>>344203817
He isn't, they just thought he was.
>>344203554
Eh. I just hope he breaks the habit.You better not be one of those assholes who cut in line.
>>344203614
Sean literally does when you put Delta's name in.
Eric is too freaked out about him to think about Q and Mira probably doesn't give a shit
>>344203554
Which twist was that? What a load of crap
Any other really egregiously bad answers?
>>344203817
The amazing glasses he was wearing to see the whole damn facility.
Wait, to everyone who said that they're disappointed because there's no Kyle in the game. How the fuck does Kyle be able to get into the test site in the first place? Espers can only SHIFT into their own body to the past, right? And Kyle didn't even born until Sigma arrived on the moon.
>>344203991
I haven't played Ever17, but apparently VLR has a similar twist.
>>344191042
Yep, most apparent in the timeline where Carlos puts the moves on Akane, we don't get to hear the whispering between them. We also miss the discussion when they "clean" the glass behind the bar.
>>344203950
Is this a trick question? Of course I'll take two Carlos.
>>344204001
And yet the point of the epilogue in VLR was that it somehow happened
GUESS IT DIDN'T MATTER BECAUSE UCHIKOSHI
>>344203980
I didn't cut in line, I waited in it for about an hour.
>>344204001
VLR secret ending bro
>>344203817
Because everyone is stupid and missing the point: lol nobody knows
Probably used MIND HAKKU to make that beta bitch Eric push him everywhere and then sat in a corner and jerked off to the security tapes of Diana and Sigma banging while the other three slaughtered each other
>>344204001
>How the fuck does Kyle be able to get into the test site in the first place?
Doesn't matter how. Old Akane said he would.
It's Uchi's job to explain it, not mine.
>>344204001
But Kyle's a clone, right? Maybe he can SHIFT into Sigma's body. After all, everyone was SHIFTing into their transported bodies, which are essentially clones.
>>344204089
Oh, that one. Yeah, that retroactively made me like VLR less when I played E17 and saw how blatant it was.
At least that wasn't the big reveal of E17, though. That's just the beginning of the insanity
>>344204001
Kyle shares the same DNA as Sigma because he's his clone. I thought that would somehow play into the plot.
>>344204089You are not the person you thought you were and you find out when you find a mirror.IMO, I don't think they're THAT similar.
>>344201819
Well that was mostly in an alternative timeline. There should also be a timeline where Junpei kills Akane for no reason unless free will and timeline splitting only occur during magical DECISION GAMES. Either way the plot does not work, nor has it ever consistent in any way.
>>344204001
They have a fucking transporter. They could transport his body back into the past no problem. I wonder why he didn't use his Deus Ex Machina even more.
>>344204001
They took the secret ending in VLR directed to the player far too literally.
>>344204001
We were told that he jumped into ?'s body, "in a manner of speaking", to fulfill an important mission at the Mars test site that was the very reason he was created.
>>344204208
Well, okay then.
>>344204284
DELETE THIS
>>344204424
>everyone was SHIFTing into their transported bodies
Where is this implied? You never see anybody shift into ayyy copies.
Is there a compilation of post ZTD Q&A? I heard there was going to be some.
>>344203980
I came in like 10 minutes late. Or was it that I came in really late and was part of the last batch to get in.
>>344204792
Yeah
Q: Uchikoshi why did you fuck everything up
A: I hope you rike it
>>344204756
Okay, maybe they didn't, but at the very least, the original bodies were able to access the memories of the transported ones. I think there's potential there to SHIFT into a clone.
Memes
>>344191319
>unsheathes axe
That stance cracks me up every time
>>344203950
The alien thing hurts my soul, but the possibilities that the two Carlos thing creates both disturbs and delights me. It's canon regardless of whether or not it was intended, and the fact of the matter is that the 2nd Carlos is absentee from our original's life. No more sister, no more job...really makes you wonder what he ends up doing or what he becomes.
You can make only three ZTD characters survive.
Go.
Carlos.
Sean
Eric.
>>344204615
So how was I supposed to take the whole Kyle going into the past thing?
>>344195519
Both are great, but different execution of similar concepts. The cases in DR are easier, so it may be better to start with it, but AA is definitely the better series up until DD.
I'd start with AA first, grab the trilogy pack of the first three games.
>>344204462
It's more than that, it's
>the MC looks in a mirror and realizes that not only are they someone they didn't think they were, but the player is actually the person responsible for orchestrating the entire plot and there is a significant time difference between when you are led to believe the game takes place and when it actually takes place revealed through this
>>344203554
He sounded pretty arrogant, saying stuff like that using a twist in a popular work cements it as his idea and that he wants people to know that the twist is his.
>>344204284
>phi.jpg
>>344204953
Gab
Phi
Diana
>>344204982
After playing VLR you played ZTD which happened 9000 years before.
>>344204951
But.....it was SECONDARY Carlos who came for Akane/Junpei.
He was in Fireman outfit.
So secondary Carlos also started working as Fireman.
>>344204792
https://docs.google.com/document/d/119KAG03eZU_LINfXzW8_S_qADh91Qm0OgzhiX1EIPS4/edit
>>344204869
A: Life is unfair, don't you think?
>>344205137
I'm talking about Kyle not ?.
>>344204284
it was pretty fucking retarded that her remains were just a couple of ash piles
like, what the fuck
>>344205101
That's not what I got from it at all. He said that a twist is like an ace in the hole, and if you use it on something that wasn't very popular, it's kind of a waste. So he used it again when he knew he had a bigger audience.
>>344204953
Akane
Sigma
Carlos
They'll figure something out!
>>344204953
Akane
Junpei
Carlos
Only team I felt actually worked together as a team
>>344194790
Depending on your audience, most of them wouldn't even use anti-virus, or would understand that its a false-flag
>>344196339
At least we don't have to spend 75% of the game watching them travel through the hallways again.
>>344205220
It's not so much 'started' as it is 'carried on', considering he only went back TEN MONTHS
>>344205115
woah, woah, Junpei. Don't get
ahead
of yourself
>>344203817
How does he go to the bathroom?
>>344205302
I'm pretty mad that he thinks he can go around spoiling stuff for people in the first place
I don't care if he made it or not, he doesn't need to do that
>>344204953
Sigma, Diana, Phi
The only characters I cared about in the slightest
>>344204953
CARLOS
Sean, I guess...
and Phi?
This is harder than I thought
>>344204792
Uchikoshi said that he wasn't planning on doing a Q&A because he didn't foresee there being many questions from fans due to ZTD being made to resolve all the mysteries.
>>344205595
>Not SHIFTing to a random timeline to kill Junpei and rape Akane just to see what it would be like
This is your date tonight.
>>344203817
Why does he wear glasses if he's deaf?
>>344204953
The three robots in the whatever room with the bomb
I actually ruined the game for myself by dicking around.
I got to Q's standoff and started typing everything that I had in mind as a joke.Then i typed Sigma,Phi,Alpha,Omega,Delta.
When the cutscene played I was pretty much thinking I got secret joke ending eith Zero sneaking up on Q team.
>>344205682
What are you talking about? If anything, the person who asked the question spoiled Ever17 by saying it had a similar twist to VLR.
>>344205787
Pretty sure Carlos did that at least once.
>>344204424
But the clones are different. Transporter's clones retain the memories of the old ones, while Kyle is entirely different person from Sigma.
>>344205364
>>344194790
Not quite the same, but isn't there some eroge with a gimmick along those lines - if you try to go start a new game and do a different route with a different girl, one heroine goes nuts about you the player cheating on her and you get a bad end?
>Play game
>Pick a coin lad
>Pick the correct side
>You win
>Game over
Well fuck me.
Took me 20 minutes to complete.
>>344205787
>cucking JunpeiI will admit Akane is pretty hot.-Carlos
Why was Carlos so fucking based?
Carlos Is way too idealistic and good to have SHIFT ability.
Now that he knows he would probably abuse it until he for example finds timeline where he saves every person from burning building.
Daily reminder that Q is actually deaf and blind he only can see things thanks to mind hacking
>>344205982
Doesn't really matter when you have a forget me not drug.
>>344206051
>20 minutes for a 3 minute cutsceneAre you infected with Radical 6?
>>344205910
Yeah, and he could've just deflected off it
Fans are dumbasses
BONE ON THE MEAT
>>344206126I had a cheeky wank over the girl with the tits.
>>344206112
Then what's the purpose of the glasses and surveillance cameras?
So wait, Dio was a clone of Brother(Delta), right? But blonde hair is a recessive gene, and neither Sigma nor Diana were blonde.
>>344206014
I think it uses registry keys, so even uninstalling the game, modifying it would leave the keys safe. Undertale uses it as well. Try looking into it, the novelty wears off when one person finds it and tells everyone. But it still not done enough that you can get away with it
>>344205787
>Not killing Akane and raping Junpei
>>344206285
Dio is a clone of Left.
Akane was so not in her character that I thought she was just pretending to be Akane.
Old Akane in VLR stated that she pretty much "exists" as one being across all timelines.
Young Akane,Middle aged Akane, Old Akane share same thoughts and approach to life.
Dying Junpei should be more "What a shame...another horrible timeline..." Instead of fucking going yandere.
>>344206285Dio is a clone of Delta's adopted brother, Left.
I kinda wanna replay ZTD now to see if my experience is better a second time around. Anybody else doing this?
>>344206108
He was already doing that when he was unaware of it.
>>344204953
Sigma, Phi, Carlos
Easy
>>344206230
Every girl has tits, though.
>>344206457MINDHACK
So fragment i gotta do Team C's pass code for the force quit box?
>>344206285
Dio is a clone of Carlos.
>>344205220
I'm referring to the timeline after CQD-2 mostly.
>The two Carloses can't share the same job
>This is the year 2028, the infrastructure is tighter than ever. If the 2nd Carlos took on the original's identity but lived elsewhere, it'd be incredibly suspicious activity and could be considered a fraud (or the original will)
>Not mentioned whatsoever in epilogue
>Probably drops off the face of society
I get the impression that he probably took/stole the original's fireman gear after he left for DCOM as well.
>>344206115
Should have said memories and personality, then.
>>344206498
I really don't see the point in watching the same cutscenes for hours again.
>>344206441
>>344206495
Oh, okay, thanks. It's been a while since I've played VLR.
>>344206498
I never want to sit through those cutscenes again.
>>344206457
Read the prologue.
can someone give me the quote from man shot image?
>>344206691
Bunch of weird fuckers start talking about aliens and transporting minds between timelins whil you are forced to play some dumb ass deadly SAW game and your girlfriend is dead.
I find Eric actually to act the most humane.
>>344191939
Yes, to conceive himself and his brother.
Think about it; they decided to transport into the past, which means they always were in the past because that's how Delta and Phi worked. Mira reminds Eric of his mom. Eric's mom seemed strangely familiar with Mira when she was dying. Eric's a piece of shit who would go on to abuse his kids.
>>344199828
So that Gab wouldn't be alone when everyone SHIFTs. It's also possibly a way to motivate everyone to SHIFT in the first place; gives that extra little push.
Why does everyone ask this? I thought it was pretty obvious.
Be replaying VLR
>Betray Alice
>"What the hell? *slap* Why did you pick betray? This is the prisoner's dilemma! You will pay for this!"
>pick ally
>"Why would I pick ally when I just met you? That was a stupid move! This is the prisoner's dilemma afterall."
>about to go through the second set of chromatic doors and Alice has 1 BP
>"Those who have 1 BP should get to vote!"
>Phi brings up the vote,cand Alice have 6 BP
>"No! That's not fair for the rest of us!"
>Everybody in each timeline (except Dio, obviously) make a point to not betray a person with 1 BP
>she votes betray, and you die
In one of Dio's finer moments
>Alice: I have 1 BP, you picked betray!? Are you insane? You could've killed me!
>Dio: If I voted ally, Tenmyouji would've had 9 BP! I was doing it for the both of us!
Alice: Hmph!
>Betray Quark when he's in the treatment pod
>Alice: You took advantage of a little kid. You are a coward!
Fuck you, bitch! You would have done the same thing in a heartbeat!
I would also like to add, why even prevent you from leaving after YOU ALREADY OPENED THE NUMBER 9 DOOR!?!!? Escaping is a foregone conclusion at this point, and there is no reason to keep you there. They only did it for satisfaction.
>>344206609
Vive hodie is the password.
>>344206609
The one whereCarlos SHIFTS a billion times
>>344207069
And it's completely irrelevant, like Delta always being there.
Pointless twists suck ass.
Stream tomorrow guys
>>344207110
One last thing. At least with Dio, you know where he stands. Fuck that hypocritical bitch!
>>344206092
>Eric
>Good
Eric is the worst character in the entire series.
>>344207069
So Mira and Eric are their own parents?
>>344205359
>diotheally
11/10
>>344206180
He should have warned about spoilers but if someone asks him a question in a Q&A like that he should fuckin answer
And it would look kinda shitty if everyone pointed this out for years and then he just dodged it when asked about it
I think my biggest problem are things that just weren't addressed or answered. A finale shouldn't be leaving open plots and questions like this. For example, the Kyle thing, I'm fine with assuming ? is Gab, who was shifted out of his body when Kyle entered it, even if that's not how it usually works, but it was never even addressed, so now it's just fan theory. I don't need another game, but maybe just a short book or something to provide some answers at least.
>>344207382
Mira isn't her own mother, but Eric's his own father. Mira isn't bootstrapped, thankfully.
>>344206540
>Phi
>tits
Pick one
>>344206180
>Deflect the question
>UCHI IS A HACK AND WON'T OWN UP TO WHAT HE DOES
There is no perfect decision for this question; the choice he made was simply the best one for this timeline.
>Cater to your fans (i.e. the people who show up to your panel)
>Cater to the people who haven't even played your old, not-so-popular game. (i.e. people who probably aren't at your panel)
>>344207596
D CUPS
C
U
P
S
>>344206092
I love Carlos, but the fact that he's always up so high on these tier lists always surprises me. He was just so...shafted by the plot and by the existence of two other protagonists. Seems almost like a miracle that he's so well-liked. Or...maybe it's not, considering the iffy characterizations of some the cast.Pic related isn't mine, is just an example
There are any way/command button to take screenshots in-game? In my steam version Print Screen don't work on fullscreen for some reason.
>>344207620
>There is no perfect decision for this question; the choice he made was simply the best one for this timeline.
Life is unfair, isn't it?
>>344207458
>The psychological scar of watching his father murder his brother is what causes him to murder his own son
Eric being crazy is now a bootstrap paradox too, thanks uchi.
Am I crazy or there were few instances where Sean acted really fucking weird?
After Mira goes doki-doki on Eric hearts he kinda becomes super mature even in his tone, almost like different person.
Just before exiting X-Door,
>>344207915
Try using the steam screenshot function
F12 in game
I opened the Force Quit Box of C-team. Now what?
>>344205776
God, I hope not.
>>344208260
Close it
>that one happy ending with sean in the virtual reality
>the scene used the same images from eric's home, like that table with the flower vase
I actually thought at one point that Eric and Mira were actually Sean's parents or something.
But then I forgot the game was on a very tight budget, so I ended up being sad instead.
>tfwmy headcanon will never ever end up being true
>>344208260
Vive Hodie. Go outside or something.
>>344204926
le fixed
>>344205776
>ZTD being made to resolve all the mysteries.
LOL
>>344207898
Personally it's Phi and Dio that I do not quite get what people liked about 'em, but that's just me. Particularly Phi just seemed like uninterested and annoyed by everything (in VLR anyway), which was made worse by her voice acting (I've only played with Japanese voices), and this by extension made me not care about her one way or the other.
Of course, Alice is worst by far.
>>344203213
please Anons
just get me the screenshot from the game and I'll do the rest
>>344205776
>due to ZTD being made to resolve all the mysteries
K Y L E
Y
L
E
>>344208614
Phi's English VA is actually pretty good.
Carlos is just a really nice human being, he is probably type of guy that would get up at 2 AM to pick you up if your car broke down.
If I had to chose only one survivor I would definitely pick Carlos to live.
>>344207108
>Gab wouldn't be alone when everyone shifts
>He's going to fucking die anyway
?
>>344208875
>that would get up at 2 AM to pick you up if your car broke down
That's normal.
Only 'muricans go muh gas, muh beauty sleep.
>>344208913
Everyone would forget about him, and to be frank, I think being shot is better than being fucking disintegrated into thin air with the bomb.
Also, again, it's to give motivation to the gang.
>Uchi does an answer session
>What about Kyle
> "Kyle is in the game, go and see"
Speculation threads every day.
Everyone loving Gab is so fucking dumb. Shit reminds of that dumb movie Keanu.
What song would you correlate with the people? I thought of Carlos aftter I heard this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9j6DE6RnSk
I finally realized the explanation for everybody who claims the game has a satisfying conclusion and why they have this incorrect opinion:MIND HACK, muthafucka
>>344206457
It makes sense if she hasn't really grown into her full potential yet. She was pretty sincerely emotional in 999 as well. She has a lot of time on her hands to grow more ruthless, and she already shows a bit of her true colours when she immediately cuts Junpei out of her life completely stonefaced in the outbreak ending.
>>344209164
But Carlos is an American you dolt.
>>344206264
it's complicated
>ZTD sold less than 20k in total in the first week in nipland
Kek this shit will always be a flop
>>344209731
>uchi is actually DELTA
wwwhao
>>344208209
Thanks, I will test it.
>999
>Talks about espers and the morphogenetic field
>espers and morphogenetic fields, huh? Pretty neat.
>VLR
>We're on the moon, also Radical-6 and also we're 45 years into the future and also Older Sigma is Zero and also-
>This is all a bit hard to swallow, but I suppose I can kinda buy it.
>ZTD
>Transporters are of alien technology
>My motives are very complex
This stops now, Uchi
>>344210062
Wasn't really aimed towards them this time IIRC anyways so it hardly matters. Plus this is the last ZE game as well.
>>344195519
Ace Attorney is classic, play the entire series.
I bet Maria is ridculously hot,
>>344210062
>implying nipland even matters when it comes to ZE anymore
heh.
>>344206264
he can mind hack the quantum computer too
>>344210062
>japs
>good taste
Pick one. The japs have always never bought ZE. Even when they tried to appeal to weebs with VLR.
>>344209291
Gab also served as a timekeeper. If you play all three force quit box scenes at the same time, Gab is in all of them, hinting that the teams are not all on the same time.
>>344210062
After ZTD I have no problem if they use more money on Danganronpa.
At least that game is not afraid to be japanese and to have compelling characters.
>>344210384
>>344210465
The west sales would be better but hardly by much.
>Phi
>smaller than her mother
>even though her father is bigmclargehuge
Explain this plothole
>tfw I've literally done EVERYTHING and still don't know the pass to Team D'S force quit box
>>344203614
I figured he just MINDHACKED them. Sean can't be mindhacked, that's why he's the only one who can possibly shoot them.
>>344210905
They literally spell it out to you.
The items names.
>>344210735
>Phi
>Mother's at least a C-Cup
>Turns out to be a D-Cup
Explain this plothole
>>344209402
Did he actually say that? What the fuck is he talking about where would Kyle even be
>>344210905
It's really not that hard bro you're probably overthinking
Or maybe you just missed some stuff, go to the global flowchart and look for exclamation points since some of them show up without the NEW icon next to the fragmentBROOCH and BLUE BIRD
>>344210905
Then you haven't done literally EVERYTHING.What are the two items Diana gave to the twins?
>>344211081
He didn't but it would be amazing.
>>344211095
Here's a hint, the second password is actually TWO words with a space between them.
HOLY SHIT
I JUST REALIZED THAT THOSE GLASSES CARLOS USED IN PUZZLE ROOM WHERE Q'S
>>344211219
I have my fingers crossed for the vain hope that it's going to update one of these days and a secret final mind-blowing epilogue is going to open up
Even though I know it won't happen and this is the shit we're stuck with
>>344210905
remember to put a space in the second password
>>344209402
Kyle is Gab, dumb anon.
>>344211319
It also has two possible correct inputs.
>>344207283
>i'm going to miss it
fug.
>>344211381
>Carlos puts his gun down
>"I am not a killer"
>Zero walks away with Gab
>they get into car
>"You did well Gab...or rather should I call you by your real name?Huh, Kyle?"
>FIN
>>344211619
why does this poor girl always want to kill herself in these threads?? :((
>>344207283
What time?
>>344207283
Stream of what?
>>344209402
>speculation about a lie
No thanks. These threads have enough shitposts as is.
>>344211864
Stream of piss landing on the grave of the Zero Escape franchise
>>344211816
4 PM EST
>>344211864
anon streaming ZTD playthrough for lulz
hitbox tv Blick-Winkel
>Who do you want to shoot?
>God
>Your choice is made
>>344209947
Yeah, right.
>>344212053
Is it a blind playthrough or have they already done it once?
I want to see another human being's reaction to MIND HAKKU the first time around
>>344212270
He's already played through.
If anyone tried to stream a blind playthrough with /v/, they would quickly lose that 'blind' status within about five minutes due to spoilers.
>>344212270
Pretty sure Blick's already done it once.
Also no cam/commentary, so don't expect any direct reaction or shit like that.
>>344212404
lol I figured
I didn't even come on this board for like a fucking month leading up to the release I remember how bad it was with VLR
>>344212430
So it's just the game and everyone sitting around in the thread circlejerking over how ridiculous everything is?
I can get behind that.
>>344212657
Pretty much. Real-time shitposting, plus everyone gets to pick up on little shit they missed the first time around.
It's a good time all around.
>>344203213
>>344208747
Okay how about just help me remember which chapter/fragment it comes up in and I'll go find it on my own
I just need to know where in the game the camera pans behind Eric while he's holding a shotgun and we're off to the races.
Why was Sean a robot with ABT if Sigma didn't invent that until like years later when he created the gaulems?
>>344213040
>But I'm going to SHIFT so I actually will die, except it will be another me I'm forcing into my own body, basically committing murder
>>344209402
No one was supposed to ask any spoiler questions. Most likely a non answer was given because of that.
I don't understand why characters get so much hate when they're done with the purpose of being unlikable/antagonistic in mind.
Alice is a selfish cunt, yes, but she has more depth as a character and is a lot more useful than Lotus was in 999 (I'm comparing them because they're both titty monsters) not to mention that her death is one of the catalyst that sets up a sense of urgency and danger in the story.
Same with Eric. Guy has a backstory where it shows he literally got the short end of the stick in life and is fucked up inside so hard that when something good appears in front of him he's obssesed because he doesn't wanna lose it and fall into despair again, going insane when he does.
They aren't my favorites or anything, but it seems like a lot of people here like the goody two shoes/heroe of justice that didn't do nothing wrong or just go by character design alone without appreciating other characters roles in the story and hate them a lot even though they have compelling and very human emotions/motives, which is kind of a shame.
>Wondering why Kyle was mentioned so much in ZTD threads when all they said about him in VLR was that "he's Sigma's spare"
>Turns out I missed the gold file epilogue completely
>Watch it now
>Kyle takes over mystery man's body in the past
>"Kyle is integral to success at the test site"
Okay, NOW I'm miffed.
>>344213735
>she has more depth as a character and is a lot more useful than Lotus was
Opinion disregarded
The best "cunt character" in any of Uchikoshi's works is either Tsugumi or Lin
>>344213590
Not just one time either
>>344213764
What you're feeling, we call it
ZeroKyleDilemma
>>344213735
>Schrödinger's cunt
>depth
Yeah, no.
>>344213283
Did he? I thought he just used the technology.
That or Zero is a plagiarist.
>>344213735
>act like a major bitch no matter what you do or say
>tries to fucking kill you by betraying you right after you save her life
>exposition dump for no reason after you say platitudes at her
>depth
>>344213764
Why are you miffed? ZTD had a decent and satisfying conclusion to the series.:-)
>>344213937
how was Lotus useful?
>one escape room puzzle
>>344214524
she was useful to my dick which in turn helped me solved the puzzles faster
>>344213937
>"I'm good with computers and I have two kids. Also, I'm kind of a cunt since I wanna escape alive"
That was Lotus entire character.
Alice is something like:
>"I'm a selfish bitch that is scared of wasting the best years of my life dying here and I want to experience what the world has to offer, even if I have to kill to do it. I work as an investigator tracking down the person who murdered my father and I'm good at maths enough to help with the deactivation of the bombs".
Alice maybe unlikable, but she is a better character than Lotus by far.
>>344214524
how was Alice useful?
>one story lock
they were equally useless, difference being Lotus wasn't a complete cunt.
>>344214681
>trying to survive for her kids
Vs
>I haven't been in a Brazilian gangbang yet
>>344214908
You could literally write Lotus out of the story and nothing would happen. Without Alice you can't deactivate the bombs set up by Dio.
>>344214681
I don't remember Lotus being a cunt.
>>344214942
Her "kids" are around 20, aren't they?
>>344215156
She was the one who suggested one of them should stay back without naming herlsef and dropping that responsability on the group.
Even Seven calls her out on it and says he doesn't want to pair with her.
>>344215105
You could literally write Alice out of the story and nothing would happen. Without Lotus you can't brute-force the computer to save Clover.oh hey look I can do it too
>>344213764
Plenty of ways this could still be not a retcon.
What if he's Gab?
>>344215386
I'd rather him not be in the game at all than be Gab.
>>344215105
Yes you can though
Not only is her prime decomposition really useless, you could do the same thing with a calculator
>>344215360
You only need the bracelet, not Clover herself anyway. Both of them were useless the entire game.
>>344215330
They're NEETS. Who's gonna pay the bills man
>>344215774
They could easily start a career as magicians. They are twins and can use the morphogenetic field. Pull some Prestige shit or something.
>>344214478
>tries to fucking kill you by betraying you right after you save her life
Oh comeon, she literally breaks down and blames herself moments after because of this. She's a cunty character but that part was fine
>>344215774
Aren't they government agents under Alice's jurisdiction now?
>>344214942
More like she wants to live because she's in her prime while Lotus is used goods and already has done all that in her younger days.
You forgot the whole deal with her father too.
>>344216248
>under Alice's jurisdiction
Jesus Christ how horrifying.
>>344214524
>>344214908
Half the cast were useless in all three games. The games aren't very good at making every character feel meaningful.
I'm bummed at Phi ending up in the useless category in ZTD though. Did she do ANYTHING other than fuck up? Her and Sigma were literally sent there to use their hax time jumping skills to fix everything, and yet the ones actually "jumping" are C-team, while Sigma does all his time fuckery via a time copy machine anyone could operate.
Phi does jump a few times but it never accomplishes anything from what I can remember.
>>344216152
Not only does she blame herself, she is willing to let Sigma MURDER HER RIGHT THEN AND THERE AND WOULD BE BOTH COMPLETELY OKAY WITH IT AND UNDERSTAND WHY HE'D WANT TO.
>>344216901
The only useless character in VLR was Quark
Useless characters in 999
>Seven
>Lotus
>Snake
>Clover
>9th bomberman
Useless characters in VLR
>Quark
>Clover
>maybe Alice
Useless characters in ZTD
>Mira
>Eric
>maybe Phi (though she is necesary for Sigma to name her daughter after her)
We can all agree with this?
>>344217293
>useless characters in 999
>Seven
>Snake
>Clover
this is bait, right?
>>344217293
What I don't get is how Sigma and Diana name Phi like it's no big deal, not realizing they're the reason she exists
>>344217492
Snake is gone for 2/3 of the game.
Seven is all muscle, but barely does anything with it.
Clover is shitty waifubait.
>>344217492
He said
>Maybe Alice
So yes, it's a bait.
>>344217293
>though she is necesary for Sigma to name her daughter after her
If you start arguing like that, then everyone becomes somewhat necessary.
>>344217293
Akane is the only useless character in 999
she is there only to be the plot device but as a character she does nothing other than fainting
>>344217773
She is part of the paradox boyo, she needs to exist there for Sigma to name her daughter after her.
>>344218059
VLR is part of the paradox. Hell, everyone is part of the paradox.
>>344215330
I'm guessing they were teenagers at least.
>>344217629
They'd been in a bomb shelter for 10 months and had run out of food. I doubt they were exactly in a perfect state of mind.
Besides they sent them to 1904, no reason to think it could be the same Phi.
>>344218394
If we can trust the wiki, they're 21 in 2027. Not really kids anymore.
>>344218823
>trust the wiki
There's your problem.
In all seriousness though, Clover was at least 9 when she was first abducted. 7 or 8 doesn't sound too farfetched.
Akane got the best doll.
>>344220101
Agreed
>>344220101
Will figures ever be released?
>>344217175
Alice and Clover were both completely useless as well. And Tenmyoji is only "not useless" on account of being the previous MC and tied to Akane, he doesn't actually contribute much either.
>No final Q room where you switch perspectives between Junpei, Sigma and Carlos to solve the puzzle
>No puzzle room with just Junpei and Akane that uses the classic 999 "Seek a way out" jingle.
SHit game tbqh senpai
>>344220351
I would buy the Sigma nutcracker in a heartbeat.
>>344220101
She's purrfect.
>>344220101
>>344220351
I would buy a Nyankane Nendoroid.
>>344217492
Clover does nothing in 999 except MUH BROTHER
Why is it that every faggot complaining about the game comes here and uses nigger speak (un)ironically?
>>344220364
Tenmyouji is needed to power up Sigma and Phi's powers.
>>344220707
So was Clover, and Alice was needed for that decodification stuff.
>>344183482
PUT YOUR GRASSES ON
>>344204953
Junpei
Akane
Carlos
fuck, C team was so so great
>And the culprit was........ *points at the cameraman* YOU
He's not even trying anymore.
>>344204953
D-Team. They are clearly the three best characters in ZTD.
>The gasmask you get in the montyhall room isn't the classic Zero gasmask
>You can't see Junpei putting the Zero gasmask on the Zero of the previous Nonary game
This game had so many missed opportunities.
>>344220925
>>344220707
People who say things like this don't understand storytelling very well.
A character isn't important to the plot when their only contribution is a single arbitrary excuse added for the sole purpose of artificially making them "important to the plot". Remove the character, remove that single excuse, and the plot is unaffected. That's why they're useless to the plot.
>>344222186
Akane was already choking on CO2, that kind of gas mask wouldn't reverse the damage.
>>344222248
Clover was still important to make you believe you were in the past and add mystery about how the fuck it's possible for Junpei to be old and Clover to still be young,
>>344222541
This is the game that added magical alien technology to the series.
I think we can sacrifice a little bit of realism for fan service.
I'm still pissed there was no Zero Gasmask anywhere in the game
>>344199828
Well, he WAS Mira's killerreally though, it was kinda funny for a split second entering "gab" in every choice where eric had a gun pointed at you, and when the game actually accepted it
>Sigma "Remember the six billion!" Klim
>threads are finally slowing down.
Seems like memes could only keep this game alive for a week
>This game made me accept the possibility of death at any time by making me realize that if the many universes theory is correct, then a version of me will just peacefully die of old age.
I hope that if the day comes where I have a gun pointed at me, I avoid the urge to say "Shoot me, I won't die"
>>344220101
Anyone have a screencap of Q calling it moe?
>>344223743
because it's shit
rip
>>344223810
This was what Uchi wanted us to understand the whole time
>>344222894
> Mira not wearing a FtS robe
> Even though Brother gave Akane one
Come on!
>>344223743
We are all just coping with the dissatisfaction of playing this game.
Life is simply unfair.
>>344223810
Pretty much this, life is useless and nothing matters
>>344222894
I wouldn't mind the scene being rewritten a bit for the Zero callback, then.
Speaking of illogical scenes, D-Team having to take a whiff of Hydrochloric Acid to realize the room with the bomb was dangerous should not have existed.
>>344223886
>/v/ being nitpicky at a good game, like always
ZTD is a really good game, all things considered. I don't see why you all think it's the worst thing ever.2nd best ZE game for me, behind 999.
>>344224257
SHouldn't that have burned their nosetrils?
Speaking of bad scenes, Carlos killing himself instead of Akane gutting him open with a chainsaw. You don't bring a chainsaw into a game like this and not have someone get gutted with it.
>>344224305
>ZTD better than VLR
How? It's worse in any aspect.
>>344224305
I think most people share the viewpoint of
>Until the reveals and explanations, the intrigue and mystery of the game made it top notch. 80% of the game was good/great, last 20% was a hamfisted mess, as if it was a fat man trying to outrun the athlete whose ass he just slapped - inevitable and sloppy.
>>344224305
Agreed, it definitely wasn't perfect, but it did have its moments.
The mechanics in ZTD were my favorite out of all three. I also enjoyed the puzzles, although it has been a long time since I played the first 2 so I can't really compare.
>>344224546
Much better art direction, design and character models.
VLR was shitty animu garbage on horrible models.
ZTD is classy as fuck.
>>344224546
Not that guy, but I did have more fun playing ZTD than VLR.
>>344223841
Yeah, right here. Too lewd.
>tfw you realize that Phi's adoptive mother is herself
>Everyone roll a 1 or you'll get shot up by chainguns
>TIME TO DECIDE
WHAT'S THE DECISION? YOU'VE GOT THE OPTION TO ROLL
I know you have to repeat it 3 times to get other endings, but how the fuck is that a 'decision'? You don't even get the option to not roll
>>344203264
Where can I find this and the epilogue files?
>>344224919
Yeah Junpei points that out. It's not a decision, Zero (Uchikoshi) was just being lazy, and needed a catalyst to explain the many worlds theory
How shit is punchline?
>>344225047
Finish the game.
>>344225135
Pink hair girl was really cute.
>>344204953
Carlos
Mira
Eric
>>344224257
Why didn't the bomb melt?
>>344224829
>Seek a way meowt
Oh fuck that's good.
>>344225049
Thanks.I already have that screenshot on my Vita but I'm too lazy to go get it off there.
>>344224494
A tiny drop of HF can fuck your lungs up badly.
>No anagram that translated to "The man underground rules infinite possibilities"
>>344225135
It's okay.
>>344225135
I wouldn't mind Punch Line in the west.
Some scenes in the first episode never showed up in the series so I assume it was meant for the game.
>>344225135
It wasn't very good. It had it's moments but I had to slog through it to get to the end. If it had nothing to do with Uchikoshi then I would have dropped it.
Maybe that's just my opinion. IDK.
You think Delta kept in contact with the Phi of 1904?
Think 1904 Phi ever experience SHIFTing?
>>344224546
>Door opening simulator.
>>344226115
It was map simulator too you know.
>>344225918
>>344225918
>>344225918
Abandon shipthat is actually a facility in the middle of a desert
A new thread appeared on the horizon, hitchhiking from nowhere
>>344226058
Pretty sure SHIFTing isn't an innate talent for Phi, her skill is jumping, which is different since it doesn't force another version of you to take your place. I don't think she's ever SHIFTed without resonance.
>>344225307
Could have used the same alien material as the cards.
Alternatively, it's made of the same material as the shower pipes (since the main reaction comes from the red and blue balls colliding)
>>344226770
Jumping is shifting.Unless you mean her literal jump kicks.In that case, top kek
