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Finally finsihed this and I don't even know what to say; I'd rather let Junpei's potty mouth be my reaction to all of this.
>>343958976
Just to make sure, my Flow Chart is Complete but...That very final "Decision Game" is left open on purpose, right? I'm not missing a anything?
>>343958976
Which thread is gonna be? >>343958564
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>>343959545
Should I jump...or not?!
>>343959395
As far as I know or anyone else can tell, yeah. Don't forget to go back into the game and check out the files that opened up.
Are there any Sigma x Phi supporters after this mess?
>>343959941
Kay thanx, I'm checking those then.
>blood gushes all over the place when someone is cut
>virus of blood gushing is revealed
>no connection is stated
>>343960095
I think the blood gushes because they were cut.
>>343959957
Well,Junpei x Akane can celebrate I guess, the Final Decision means the History in which Akane stabs Junpei's love in the back won't happen in the History the game ends in.
>>343960095
I thought there was going to be a connection with that.I also thought the animation and voice acting being weird was going to be explained by everybody being infected with Radical-6 again.
So, that's it?Mira gets away scott free?Like shouldn't everybody know she is the "Heart Ripper" after all their experiences are downloaded? Nobody says a thing after that.
>>343960651
read the epilogue files
>>343960530
>the animation
C'mon dude, that's obviously due low production values.
>>343960412
Yeah because when someone is cut their blood bursts out of them like a fire hydrant.
>>343959957
Kinda.
I like them best as a broship, not... whatever they're going to be after ZTD.
>>343960939
It's just an anime thing. Happens all the time.
>>343958564
Please stop SHIFTing between threads
>>343960530
I was hoping for something like the voices, like they were all infected and getting out meant infecting the world, ie VLR.
Instead we get D-ending 1, which is great, but I was hoping the entire game would be like that.
>>343958976
>>343958564
SCREW YOU, YOU OLD THREADS!
Man, I certainly had more truble with ZTD than VLR.
Must be all the numbers, Math just isn't my thing.
I clocked 18 hours in VLR.
I need 26 in ZTD.
>>343961357
saved, thanks for your hard work
>>343960706
Oh, I did just that.But didn't Zero's story imply Mira killed Eric's mother, the woman who picks the wrong path? They really don't come out in the open about that, or I was reading too much into it.
>>343961369
What the fuck I had like 40 hours in VLR and I never got stuck in it, unlike in ZTD where for some reason I hadn't unlocked the Q execution yet and had to vote against them again.
>>343961518
Hey, no prob.
couple boredom with paint.net and enough time and material and boom, stupid stuff comes out of your ass.Kind of like Delta!
>>343958976
So you liked it? It was good.
>>343961559
>I hadn't unlocked the Q execution yet and had to vote against them again.
Huh? That's like the begining of the game, that sure wasn't one of the scenes I had to replay to get.
So...who chopped up Junpei?
>>343961947
Gab.
Gab did.
That's who did it.
>>343961784
TooC_O_M_P_L_E_Xfor me.
>>343961947
Didn't Delta say it already? Pretty sure it was Mira.
>>343961947Mira. Probably.
>>343962012
How would a dog do it?
I've been hearing great things about this game but I also heard that it's a sequel. Are the other games too important to skip?
>>343961849
First time I voted, I made them "betray" each other, so as C I voted Q, as D I voted C, and as Q I voted D.
Later, I "allied" as everyone and watched the execution scenes, although I feel like I saw one of them twice, but not the Q execution. (And I had filled the entire flowchart about the first votes.)
So 18 hours in, I got stuck. I had to figure out if I was already supposed to know any of the Force Quit Box passwords, the door of truth password, or who the fourth person is I can shoot with my crossbow.
At some point I realised that the "Q team executed" thing was greyed out in the flowchart, so I went back to C team and voted against Q team AGAIN. I was happy to see I finally unlocked the reactor room.
I still don't get how that works exactly.
>>343958976
I really don't like using this word but...22 years old Sigma in VLR got cucked, right? Literally fathered children who aren't and are his.
>>343962375
There's only 1 sigma.
>>343962375
I am like 95% certain that is not how the term is applicable in any way whatsoever.
>>343962375
log off 4chan
>>343961947Zero says it was Mira.
>>343962325
You're actually voting in game.
Voting for Q team with C and D executes Q team, instead of just sending you down a path when one team chooses a different team.
>>343962475
Who can say that? The games spends a chunk of it trying to justfy SHIFting and what it means trading consciences.
>>343962298
>Are the other games too important to skip?
yesokay they're not ABSOLUTELY required, but it is definitely recommended for the full experience. Plus they're just good games anyways, so play em, you won't be dissapointed
>>343961369
>18 hours in VLR
My VLR save has 34 hours clocked into while ZTD is only 23.
Does Eric redeem himself later on in the game? I know about his past and stuff, but he seems impossible to like so far.
>>343962668
No. He just keepssmiling.
>>343962538
So when I went back to "un-betray them" all, and voted against D team as C team, the game still "remembered" that I also had Q team vote against D team and then they were executed? And then, when I voted against Q team as D team, D team still had two votes and were executed again. And then I voted against C team as Q team, which should have done...nothing, actually.
>>343961549>Mira kills Eric's mother
>Akane's father gets arrested for her murder before he can get into a taxi
>the surgeon who is going to operate on Sean gets into it instead
>taxi crashes
>surgeon dies
>Sean dies
>Akane's mother kills herself
Life is simply unfair, isn't it?
>>343962668
Nah, not really. If you don't feel bad for him now, you probably won't like him later.
DID ERIC LIVE IN JAPAN?
BECAUSE THAT'S THE PART THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, ERIC ISN'T FUCKING JAPANESE.
>>343962837
I did not realize that was Eric's mother. When/how was this implied?
>>343962830
The game remembers what votes were put in.
You said D had the C and Q vote but Q had the D vote so Q had 1 vote against.
When you made C vote for Q, it remembered that D voted for Q as well, so it gave you the Q Execution since they now had two.
Jesus christ, it took me like an hour of pondering about who killed Mira until I accidentally let the clock run down. I thought it was basically one of those 'okay, you have everything you need, now solve it' things.
Disappointing game, especially finale though. I swear, the presentation in each installment got worse.
>>343963074
Eric says "tell me the truth" in the cutscene. The truth is that you don't know. That's what made me type "I dont know". (Which works.)
>>343962668
>I know about his past and stuff
Then no.
His character is just that, a dude with a rough past that shows his worst traits at the worst time.
You just have to swalllow Eric's actions are "understandable" for someone in his position, life's punching pag.
>>343963074
IDON'TEVENUNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RESAYING.ERIC
>>343963039
The fact that Eric's dying words and Mira's first's were exactly the same
>>343963031
No? Only Akane and Junpei are out of the ZTD cast. Mira isn't either. Presumably Akane lived in America at one point in time? That's what makes the most sense to me.
>>343963220
>I DON'T KNOW IDON'TKNOWIDON'TKNOWIDON'TKNOW
>>343963074
>Jesus christ, it took me like an hour of pondering about who killed Mira until I accidentally let the clock run down. I thought it was basically one of those 'okay, you have everything you need, now solve it' things.
t. retard
>>343963047
>>343962830
>I voted against C as Q
I misread. Maybe the game just said, fuck it or you forgot you voted against?
>>343963039
-Eric's words mirrors the killed woman.
-Zero keeps adding more to his tale at the pace the plot hints on their identities.
>>343963381
I probably just forgot. I'm sure that on my first time around I made them all vote for the team they shouldn't vote for, but I don't quite remember the order in which I "corrected" the votes.
>>343963298
I'm a fucking idiot. For some reason I thought that she meant her own first words when she was a baby.
>>343963031
Only two characters in Zero's story are Japanese by filling their identities, and they are from the same family.
So yeah, you just have to assume a certain Japanese family was living in the US at the time.
>>343962837
> Implying Mira isn't Eric's mother too.
Think about it. Mira goes back to the past with Eric at the very end of the game to try to stop herself from killing anyone. Her first victim understood Mira's motives and reasoning immediately, and was far too kind to someone who literally was killing her. Eric is also borderline unstable, but stays sane when he's with Mira, just like his dad was with his mom.
Incest infinity loop.
>>343963960
I need that Carlos reaction pic for this. You know the one
Is it just me or is it a bit inconsistent that Akane's father would have been in America to be confused as Virginia's killer, when Akane and Junpei obviously grew up in Japan?
>>343964182
He was a business man visiting America
>>343964182
>when Akane and Junpei obviously grew up in Japan?
Nothing in Zero's story says the man who got arrested was born and lived in the same country throughout his whole life.
>>343961369
>18 hours
Literally impossible without skipping all text and looking up the room solutions.
>>343961732
>All that time jumping hysteria and hero moments
>Just to set the finish line on fire and instead of finishing strong just running in the other direction
Jesus christ Carlos is on a whole other level of "whoops"
>>343964589
I know, right?
also toss me some 'shopping suggestion or whatever the fuck, I'm bored.
Watch out for spoilers
>>343963218
It hurts that Eric is the most relatable to me because I'm everyone's punching bag.
>>343964738
How about Q team with explosion marks on them?
>>343964757
It must have such a complex taste.
>>343964907
ehn, not sure how humorous that'd be.
>>343964798
Well, then just be happy thathe gets the girl, in jail, but he still gets it.
What fragment was it with Carlos and Junpei that sounded a little bit gay?
>Do 3 way standoff the usual way, trying Mira, Eric, and other names including Q, then come back later for No One
>Get Sean name in the other timeline and, like a smartass, go straight up to the standoff again
>Sean doesn't work
>Sudden realization hits and feel like a dumbass
>Feel like a truck has hit you thinking back at the other hints on how another person might be present and that no one actually called Sean "Q"
Best vidya villain ever coming through.
>>343965360
Except, if you actually read it, Sean breaks her out of jail and they 'jump' back in time to stop Mira from killing people.
Little do they know it just copies them instead of teleporting them, and they can't shift with the copy because they aren't shifters. Ha.
Anyways, Mira is Eric's mom.
>>343965951
Huh? I don't remember that, or I didn't see that way.
Carlos spends the whole game being a wingman for Junpei and Akane, even in that time he made that theatrics to get Junpei riled up.
>>343965967
>get the twins ending
>go straight to the standoff
>enter "delta"
>have no fucking clue what I just watched
>>343966226
>Except, if you actually read it, Sean breaks her out of jail and they 'jump' back in time to stop Mira from killing people.
They ponder that, it never goes to detailing them actually doing it.
>>343966248
In one of the first fragments Junpei asks if Carlos is interested in him.
>>343960462
wait was junpei with someone else and she found out and did that. explain
>Akane stabs Junpei's love in the back won't happen in the History the game ends in
When did you guys figure outone of the players is a robot?
I had a hunch as soon as I saw the manufacturing room, but my guess was Diana.Seanseemed too obvious.
>>343966178
Am I the only one that believes the Snail actually saved mankind? Cause wouldn't the evil terrorist still cause a nuke in the world if the snail didn't cause all of the events?
Is punished snail the actual hero of this series?
>>343966674
Junpei's love as in Junpei's love
Not an actual person
What the fuck anon
I feel C-Team got shafted a tad too much, they have less endings than the other Teams.
Well, at least the tragedy that befell Junpei's life in VLR is averted.
>>343966903
They can't complain, instead of endings they get an epic journey throught time and space abusing their super power
>>343966903
But now he can't adopt Quark
>>343966903
Meanwhile, Clover is still a popsicle and nobody even bothered letting her out.
Or mentioning her existence at all. Sigma's gone senile, I guess, since he and Akane were the ones who froze her in the first place.
Akane is just the same old bitch she always was. She, at least, is consistent.
>my mind when I realize Zero is God
>>343967119
No reason to as his family is gonna be fine
He's gonna be busy with his own babbies anyway
>>343967119
Which I don't give a fuck.
Quark was the best thing happened in Punished Junpei's life.
Well, he doesn't need that because Junpei won't become Punished in the first place.
>>343962298
You can jump to this game because the creator made it a point to make it welcoming to newcomers by brushing off important plot points from the two previous games.If I were you, I'd still play the first two, because they're really good games.
>>343967329
Quark may not even be born anymore
>>343966862
Now all we need is an edit and the memes are good to go
>>343967025
Junpei's SHIFTing plan is the best thing ever.
The absolute madman.It fucking failed, but it was cool.
>>343967394
Given the entire conversation about circumstance having a deep effect on reproductive cells, he most certainly will not be.
Even if his parents meet at roughly the same time they did in that other timeline, and have a child at roughly the same time, that child will not be Quark, beyond the general resemblance from common parentage.
>>343961947
Zero flat out tells you thatit was Mira.
>>343967381
While it does "welcome" newcomers, it stabs them in the back with important plotpoints of VLR
A friend of mine that didn't play VLR went to play the first scenes of ZTD and then regretted it immediately as now he's trying to play VLR and already knows that Tenmyoujy is an old Junpei and that Sigma's consciousness in ZTD comes from the future, basically spoiling that VLR is several years in the future from the prologue
Junpei also is not that subtle with hinting that Akane was Zero in the first game
>Junpei mentions that Ace broke out of prison
>this is never discussed or brought up again
Why the fuck didn't the animate the epilogue files? I wouldn't even have known the files were there if I didn't come here and see you guys talking about them. There's literally no excuse.
>>343966892
Not him but your wording was pretty poor
I got the Perceptive End long before the game tells youthere's a 4th member of Q teamand I was very confused
>>343967864
He never said that, he said that he's STILL in prison
>>343967871
Why didn't they animate NOTHING in the game and stick to the original VN style which is cheaper, allows for running commentary from the current protagonist, and looks less shabby than low production values cutscene?
>>343967678
>Junpei also is not that subtle with hinting that Akane was Zero in the first game
He actually is very subtle, since all he does is tease Akane in the very begining about using her abilities and asking if she has anything to do with Game.
It doesn't hide she was connected with all that went down in 999, but it does hide who exactly was Akane in that Game.
Am I the only one that hated theQ is Deltatwist? Not the actual revelation thatZero is Sigma and Diana's child, but that there was an old man in a wheelchair hanging around the whole time just offscreen that no one bothered to acknowledge until it was plot convenient
>>343967992
You're right, those animations were trash. Sometimes their wrists would be thin and all fucked up.
>>343967929
I went back and triedDeltaat every single choice the moment I figured it out and was actually pretty disappointed with how few times it actually changes anything when you put it in.
>>343966816
I thought the secret was that it was a flatchested girl under the helmet, and had suspicions that it was a time-displaced Phi
Side-bar, you're a moron if you thought Diana was a robot because she's very obviously the human being that Luna was based on
>>343967864
I could be remembering wrong, but I thought Junpei said he's in prison, but wouldn't be surprised if he had broken out.
>>343968067
It was acknowledged several times, but the game obviously tried his damn best to make you think it was something else
>>343967871
They likely ran out of budget.
>>343967929
Which is bizarre since some Decisions remain locked even if you know the answer.
>>343968067
It's the same as sigma being an old man in VLR really. There are many hints in both games.
>I was only 67 years old
>But in my 22 year old body
>I loved Zero so much, I owned all the watches and bracelets
>I play Decision Games every night, thanking him for the life I'm about to lose
>"His motives are complex", I say, "Life is unfair"
>My dad hears me and calls me a faggot
>He is obviously jealous of my devotion to Zero
>I called him a cunt
>He slaps me and sends me to another timeline
>I am crying now, because my face hurts in the previous timeline
>I get injected and forget the previous 90 minutes
>I feel a warmth moving towards me
>I fell something touch me
>It's Zero (Q (Delta))
>I am so happy
>He whispers into my ear, "Why? Because of a snail."
>He mind hacks me puts me on my hands and knees
>I'm ready
>I solve puzzles for Zero
>He transports me with an alien device
>It makes no sense, but I do it for Zero
>I can feel my other selves dying as he kills my dog
>I try to prevent the deaths of six billion people
>I want to please Zero
>He laughs a mighty laugh as he tosses me a gun
>My dad walks in
>Zero looks him deep in the eyes and says, "Plaudite, acta est fabula. "
>Zero leaves as the walls reveal it was all one ward
Zero is love, Zero is life.
>>343967992
>We want the Telltale Audience
-Uchikoshi
>>343968067
The most egregious part of it, to me, was every timeDelta was revealed, someone - I think always Eric - would INSTANTLY call Sean "Sean", for the first time that the player has ever heard, as if he's been doing it every other minute.
>>343967864
Junpei says is IN Prison, but he wouldn't be surprised if Ace somehow has escaped.
He just wonders.
>>343968067
the only thing that bugs me is that they would never have called Sean by his fucking name once among all these hours
>>343968328
top fucking kek
>>343968239
Except the hints from Sigma are actual plot elements you can piece together and the twist in ZTD relies on half the people on Q team refusing to address each other by name for absolutely no reason whatsoever, and not think or mention certain things at any point even when it's really weird not to.Like, how the fuck was Q getting around if he's deaf and blind? Was somebody pushing him in his chair?It feels like a twist that the 'game' was designed to hide rather than the 'story', if that makes any sense at all.
>>343967678
That's true. It's not like he brushed off all plot points, but I find it silly that Junpei cannot just outright say that Akane was (1) Zero in the second Nonary Game, (2) she was one of the reasons why he has turned cynical. He hints at both, and calls her out on her bullshit at times, but I feel like his level of anger would have been beyond what we saw, given how his childhood friend lied to him and in a way endangered their lives.
Aside from that, I'm also pissed at a number of scenes, likeJunpei talking about how he and Seven destroyed FtS's HQ like it was nothing. Like what the fuck. If it were that easy, then how come no one thought of doing that before? And of course Junpei proposes to her in the end. After all the crap he has been through because of Akane, he still gives her a ring. Things just don't make any sense to me.
>>343968189
>>343968239
I don't mean that there's not cryptic hints, just that it's really bizarre that no one ever interacts with him because it would obviously ruin the twist. It really feels like they were stretching too hard for a shocking twist.
Also >>343968350 and >>343968439
>>343968514
ZTD is the worst in the zero escape franchise, so don't think about it too much dude.
>>343968558
Well, I guess they had to find it first. All that came next was making sure they hadZero Escapeoptions.
>>343968350
Yeah what the fuck is up with that?Oh you thought that the kid's name is Q? Lol nope his name is Sean. Oh you didn't know that? Too bad for you, 'cause Q is actually the old blind man right there.
That was contrived as fuck.
So how did all of the charactersget back in their pods after being knocked out so the next group could wake up? Was it an army of robot Seans? Did a 124 year old man lug their dead weight bodies around?
>>343968965
>Was it an army of robot Seans?
yes
>>343968965
Literally directly shown in the gameIt's the Seans
>>343968965
Zero shows images on how it's actually an army of Seans doing the heavy lifting
>>343968760
How didDeltado all that shit at 124? Why did Junpei's hair and eyes change colour between games?Why didn't Delta use his mind reading, time travel machine, seemingly limitless wealth and resources, clone army of assassins, and cult dedicated to him, to try to figure out who the killer was instead of getting six random assholes to do it?How come Sigma says thatPhi/Deltaare the first two people he's ever loved unconditionally when they're his 3rd and 4th children, do Kyle and Luna just not matter to him?Fucking aliens, really?
>>343968965Presumably all of the backup Seans. When Carlos gets attacked, it doesn't seem like it was the "Sean" we saw throughout the game, so it's likely there were more than one active in order to keep the game going.
Posting this strawpoll again
http://www.strawpoll.me/10671235
Which ZE game is your favorite?
Why did Zero kill Mira in that particular timeline anyway?
>>343969121
>>343969129
>>343969131
Ah, I somehow missed that. Thanks.
So did they just not follow up on the secret final scene in VLR at all? Not even a passing mention of the biggest sequel hook in the entire previous game?
Why do Sigma, Phi and Diananot get epilogues like the other two teams?
Why areDelta's eyes fucking purple?
>>343968816
And yet Junpei and Seven found it within a year. I seriously doubt that those two are capable of finding it on their own and destroying it together.
And if that's the case, then why did Crash Keys not do anything to help them? If Akane's goal was to ensure that FtS does not release Radical-6while not knowing of Delta's true plans, wouldn't you think that it would be in her best interests to help the two out?
I'm getting this for my birthday in 2 weeks, currently replaying VLR to refresh my memory. How disappointed am I going to be with ZTD? I have heard that there are lots of unresolved questions. I am still hyped to play it though.
>>343969212
COMPLEX MOTIVES BECAUSE OF A SNAIL
>>343968965It's the Seans, Delta explains to Sean himself how his other selves help him, it shows the Seans carrying dead bodies around, so it can be assumed the Seans carry the sleeping members as well.
What does this face covey?
>>343969210
>tfw 999 is your overall favorite game but Sigma and Phi are your favorite characters
>>343969138
>Kyle and Luna just not matter to him?
Kyle and Luna aren't real humans
>>343969384
I was thinking that the eyes were another alien related thing, but apparently it's just medicines, old age and mind powers
>>343969212His excuse was that she was a mass murderer and had it coming, which doesn't really explain why he'd want her there in the first place and give her free reign of the compound only to kill her later for sudden moral reasons.
>>343969352
Nope. It's one of two things:
(1) Sequel hook
(2) Uchi couldn't come up with a proper way to write Kyle/? into ZTD.
Either way, he basically just drops that plot point, expecting us to forget about it.
>>343969416
It's an enjoyable ride for most of it until you start nearing the end and realizing just how bad all of the plot problems are.
>>343969437
"My nipple size is weird. Junpei would probably laugh at my nipples but then bite one afterwards."
>>343969531
>implying clones/100% perfect human imitation robots aren't real humans
What happened to Kyle or '?' from VLR? I finished everything in ZTD but I don't think they brought it up.
>>343969212
COMPLEXThey probably got into a fight, Mira might have caught Delta in the act of dropping the wheelchair bound man farce; remember that Mira had more freedom than the others.
>>343969614
Are the puzzles good or bullshit hard? I had trouble with a couple puzzles in VLR, but overall I think I'm fairly good at solving them.
>>343969815
See >>343969591
They just ignore it completely.
>>343969815
>What happened to Kyle or '?' from VLR?
Dropped.
>>343969576
The whole point of being able to SHIFT is being exposed to danger.
Can we at least all agree that the Fuck/Marry/Kill for this game is Mira/Diana/Phi and Junpei/Carlos/Eric?
>>343969892
One or two puzzles are dumb, but most are pretty manageable. Personally, I had a problem with pixel hunting.
>>343969416
You can tell Uchikochi just wanted to please the fans of the old characters, giving them closures and heartwarming scenes.
You might want to play it without caring too much for the plot.
https://youtube.com/5as7jLDMyIg
>>343970042
The fuck would you kill Phi for
>>343970084
Yeah as a standalone game with Zero Escape in the name it's fine but as for ending the trilogy, it's polarizing.
>>343969964
If only there was some sort of deadly game they were playing in an underground base filled with deathtraps and killer shota robots to serve that purpose.
Nope, better bring in this uncontrollable sociopath who is responsible for everything going wrong for everybody.
>>343970042
Why would you want to fuck Mira? She doesn't even look good, plus she's apsychopath
Why not justkill her and rip her heart out
>>343969964
Isn't that what the, you know, death traps are for? Why suddenly flip flop on her for moral reasons later then?
>>343969892
They deal with more numbers this time, that's for sure.
Some puzzles, like the Alien Pods, were harder to me because I just forgot basic math.
>>343970084
Considering I don't understand most of the plot, that shouldn't be a problem.
>>343970253
Found the faggot
>>343970042
I'd rather marry Mira. She and Eric seem real happy in the endings where she doesn't kill him. Diana's too high-strung.
>>343970042
>kill Phi
No
>There are people lamenting over an ending where Junpei and Akane get married and Team D has happy family time
Kyle, ?, who? Who gives a fuck about a literal "please buy the third game to know what happens" from Akane
>>343970361
Found Eric. Go back to your ice cream store,grieve for your dead mom, brother and keep getting abused by your dad
>>343970042
>implying you'd get to fuck mira before she kills you
I'm confused, was original-Sean Left? Or was Left also dropped entirely?Why did Delta even send Dio to the moon to stop everybody from traveling back in time when his fucking birth hinges on it?
>>343970185
Because Diana is wife material and fucking Mira would be the sex equivalent of a death sport, like BASE jumping. Also ballistics.
>>343970480He's next
People who don't fucking understand that they're saying they're going to send you, the player, back to the test site in VLR and thing they actually were going to send Kyle, are fucking idiots.
>>343970223
>those looks they give eachother
10/10 anon
>>343970403
Akane's a fucking bitch. Why would I want her to be happy? I would've been ecstatic if she just died to close the trilogy.
Also
>Best team did not get an epilogue
>>343970619
Except that that creates the 'player' as a character in the world, which is also never followed up upon. Yes, we know it's blick winkel 2.0, but they never do anything with it.
>>343970490
By my understanding, Left was the child with whomDelta was raised. Sean was a child Delta befriended after he was already old--hence the snail story.
So yes, Left was almost completely dropped as a motive.
>>343970490
Original Sean is the boy that dies because the surgeon died in the car crash, he's the boy that meets an old man (Delta) in the hospital
Left was the non-blood related brother of Delta in the family he got adopted in, in 1904
Delta send Dio on the moon because he knows there's a timeline in which he fails and ends up helping him get conceived
He could've sent anyone really, we just ended up with Dio
why is there NO fucking porn of Mira yet?
>>343970774
I hope you likeguro
>>343970619
Akane says Sigma wouldn't leave Kyle behind.
Wouldn't Mira bepretty damn young when she killed her first victim, Eric's mom? How the fuck the police arrested the wrong person; is Uchikochi telling me a child was a crime genius and covered all her marks?
>>343970774
I feel you.
>>343970774
She's a useless tramp.
>>343970670
thank
I still don't know why I fucking made that thing.
>>343970774
Because she's disgusting andwould just kill her partner to see his heart.
>>343970490
Fuck, none of the other inconsistencies have bothered me but this one got me.
>>343970870
Who are the cops more likely to arrest for murder? An adult male or an 8 year old little girl?
>>343970042
>you will never marry Carlos
>>343970619
Except when they say Sigma would never leave Kyle behind, that Kyle is critical for this mission and that he actually arrives in 2028.
>>343970986
Fuck equality.
>>343968558
>but I feel like his level of anger would have been beyond what we saw, given how his childhood friend lied to him and in a way endangered their lives.
I felt that it would be less since he knows why she did it and would have done it willingly if that was a choice. If anything he should be bitter about being just left behind after that not that it happened.
>>343969138
> TFW THE GAME LITERALLY FORGETS THE EXISTENCE OF ? AND KYLE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SUPER DUPER ULTRA IMPORTANT.
> SIGMA AND PHI ARE MORE CLUELESS THAN THEY'VE EVER BEEN AND ACCOMPLISH FUCKNOTHING.
> THE ENTIRE EVERYTHING WAS FUCKTARDED.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>343970870
no one would suspect a little girl of a brutal murder
>>343970870
In the flashback, she has a little girl voice, so yeah.
>>343969437
>Concern
>>343970870
More likely it was a combination of shoddy policework, incompetence, and a general disbelief that a child would do such a thing in cold blood. And given Akane's general personality (not in ZTD) it's likely her father had some Machiavellian thing going on too--making him look more suspicious.
Am I the only one saddened by the lack of this fantastic gentleman?
>>343970870
It's more likely that in that case Akane's father was so fucking suspicious they just went with him as the culprit and called it a day
The problem lies in the fact that Mira managed to kill a lot more people withouth getting caught
We also see she doesn't really care about not making a mess with all that touching the hearts and get covered in blood bullshit
>>343971081
Please look forward to it.
>>343969352
He wanted to cater to a larger audience. Having ? and/or Kyle would spoil VLR.
The whole cinematic style killed the dialogue too.
>>343970904
>implying that's not my fetish
>>343970986
How would they even prove him guilty? Isn't this America? Innocent until proven guilty?
>>343971140
No, you're not.
I'm sick of characters that are meant to be likeable because underneath their exterior they have a traumatic past or whatever.
Dio was just a dick. That was nice to see.
>>343971198
You're seriously telling me that he dropped major plot points because he was worried about spoiling the previous game in a fucking direct sequel? Especially since I don't think anything in this game would have made any goddamn sense to somebody who didn't play the first two.
>>343971198
Could have broke the fourth wall at the end again mentioning the player and hinting this may not have been their first time doing this.
>>343971269
>Innocent until proven guilty?
that has literally never been the case
I actually liked it. Here's my two cents on it:I'll start at the very end scene first. The game ended on a note that resolved the conflict, but left some ambiguity in the true fashion of the series. The ambiguity left is open to interpretation, and not really something crazy like VLR teasing the events of this game. It's a satisfying ending because it completed the goal we wanted. We knew from the start ZTD was going to be a "journey is more important than the inn" type of game, and that held true. The game was tense, story was well told, and the twists were unexpected and great. Some of them may have been predictable by dropped hints (For instance, I figured out fairly quickly that either Phi and Diana had that "looks up to her as a mother figure" trope, or Diana was actually her mother somehow). The Delta twist was particularly interesting mainly because it seemed like an ass pull at first, but if you think about it and go back and look, you can tell it isn't. There are plenty of scenes in Q-Team where you can see the shadow from the chair. They never refer to Sean as Q, and Eric and Mira were always like "Who is this kid and why is he here?", like they were surprised he was even there at all. Eric, while not a likeable character nor intended to be, was portrayed well. He was a mentally unstable paranoid man that had an obsession with Mira. He goes off spouting things like "Mira is my angel", which sounds like something you would read here on /v/ about Rosalina. With Mira's behavior, you could tell their relationship wasn't exactly healthy for Eric, and Mira was taking advantage of something, but it was difficult to say what until the reveal of her being the Heart Ripper.
For those that think "mind hacking", was a total ass pull, I direct you to this:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/961351-nine-hours-nine-persons-nine-doors/faqs/61629
Ctrl+F for "Junpei: But I still don't get it...", and read until you see what I am talking about.
>>343971198
>Having ? and/or Kyle would spoil VLR
And Sigma being old, from the future and a SHIFTer doesn't?
Haven't played this game yet, have a question about characters. Are Snake and Clover in this? From what I remember, Clover is frozen right now, but what about Snake? Is he ever mentioned?
November 26, 2029
Did you mark your calendar for the big day when god reveals himself?
>>343971496
This hurts my eyes to look at
>>343971269
Maybe ZE and AA take place in the same world where all trials last three days.
>>343971542
Nope, neither or them get so much as a nod.
>>343971269
Surprise surprise, the justice system isn't exactly fair.
This was brought up in the game. The DNA test or whatever used in the original trial was flawed and used for the conviction. Afterwards, when the damage was done, a new/better test emerged proving his innocence.
Just like lie detectors, they don't fucking work but some in the field swear by them (if only for the mental anxiety they cause).
>>343971054
Probably. It's just that I'm mostly surprised that he still puts up with her presence, given how he complains all throughout ZTD about how the Akane that she knew from when they were kids and the Akane that is in front of her are two completely different people.
He knew what she was like and what she was capable of, and yet he still proposes to her. Love really is blind, I guess.
>>343971542
No. I don't think they're even mentioned.
>>343968113
Let's not forget the thing with Sigma's elbows.
>>343970084
> Uchikochi just wanted to please the fans of the old characters
> Junpei acts nothing like Junpei.
> Sigma and Phi randomly became bland as fuck and flat-out retarded.
> Everything was about catering to a larger audience and not spoiling the two predecessor games in the fucking finale of a trilogy.
> Clover, Alice, ?, and Kyle literally forgotten and never mentioned.
> Phi's hair and eyebrow suddenly changes and contradicts VLR directly (e.g. Sigma never mentions having a daughter named Phi despite it being a very very uncommon name).
> Delta, a random character from nowhere is the antagonist in the finale, completely unrelated to the Brother described in VLR/999.
> Left doesn't exist.
> Shitty plot with underused mechanics (e.g. the teleporter could have been used to have an alterdimensional murderer instead of 'hurr zero did it, or the obvious serial killer did it'.
Yeah right. The only good twist was the ward one.
>>343971269
he just has to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and they'll wreck him, but thats besides the point. You're overthinking a small plotline that shouldn't require rigorous detail.
>>343966903
No it didnt. Junpei loses Akane and adopts quark in most of the time lines. They just created a new timeline with a guy that is not that junpei and gave him a good ending.
Literally nothing changed. Imagine I go to your house and kill your family, your dog and eat.your eyes. Then before I go I tell you "dont worry dude, I just created a a parallel universe in which I didnt kill your family!"
>>343971606
Here: https://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/961351-nine-hours-nine-persons-nine-doors/faqs/61629
Start reading at "Junpei: But I still don't get it...". This is about "mind hacking".
>>343971616
Huh, well that sucks. So much for the Snake is Brother theory
>>343971020
Kyle is Gab
>>343970042
> Diana.
U S E D G O O D S
Seriously, it's Mira/Phi/Diana and Carlos/Junpei/Eric. Though, stealing Jumpy from Akane would be kinda cruel.
>>343968965
Why wasn'tDelta found in a pod?
>best villain in the series is the first one
>best ending in the series is still safe
>>343971363
Not the same anon, but even though it might be a stretch to think that Uchi dropped that plot point in order to cater the newcomers, we shouldn't forget that he basically brushed off major plot points from the two previous games. When characters discussed the evemts and the aftermath of 999/ZTD, Uchi used a fuckton of subtle hints in the dialogue instead of getting straight-to-the-point, which was honestly one of the things I fucking hated about the game.
>>343969437
Complex emotivations
>>343971772
>small plotline that shouldn't require rigorous detail.
Huh, so it's like the aliens then.Just having some fun, Anon. Don't take it seriously.
It's really weird that people are saying we didn't get enough answers. What is there to say about the other characters from 999? They live happily ever after. The only dropped plot point was K/?, everything else was more or less covered if it mattered, even if things like Zero's motivation were shit.
>>343972038
*999 and VLR.
I still don't understand whythey sent Phi from 1904 to 2008
>>343972176
Hexperiments
>>343972176
Chock it up to coincidence
>>343972176
To test stuff.
>>343972176
I think they were experimenting with the transporter thing they'd found.
Man, someone with Phi's personality would not have done well in the early 1900s.
>>343971946
>Though, stealing Jumpy from Akane would be kinda cruel.
And killing him would end with a crazed Akane killing you.
>>343972176
It was part of an experiment
The facility she was sent in, in America, is actually where Phi from 1904 was working in as an old lady
>>343970990
>You will never marry both Carlos
>>343972176
It was an experiment performed by the germans.
The bigger question is if it was really created by aliens, and if so, why the fuck was it completely glossed over?
>>343972176
Practical joke.
>>343969138
>How come Sigma says that Phi/Delta are the first two people he's ever loved unconditionally when they're his 3rd and 4th children, do Kyle and Luna just not matter to him?
Did you just skip through Sigma's dialogues?
He created Luna, Kyle, Lagomorph and everything else because he was lonely old man.
He created them expecting to be loved in return, is not that he didn't care for them, which he did, and a lot since in this very game there's a Timeline he mourns not being able to create them as he was about to die.
Anyway, since Sigma created them, expecting something out of them, that is love, it could never be uncoditional.
>>343972238
>chock
>>343971759
>Sigma never mentions having a daughter named Phi despite it being a very very uncommon name
That was a different timeline.
Where's that picture of Zero putting his cane in the wheel of his bike and saying "life is simply unfair" as he lays on the ground?
>>343971198
>Having ? and/or Kyle would spoil VLR.
Eh, what?
Uchikoshi spoils VLR all over ZTD, he sure wasn't caring for "first-timers".
>>343972385
Chalk?
I don't use the phrase often, just picked one.
I wish Snake was dimensionhopping Brother. It would have been so much more satisfying than some random dude.
Literally wasted potential: the game, in so many senses.
>>343972330
Because Uchikoshi realized that he'd written himself into a corner with how SHIFting worked, needed to physically transfer people between timelines, wrote an excuse for them to do it, then forgot.
>>343972514
You made the wrong choice.
This is the decision game
>>343972271
Read the notes.
>>343970253
She looks hot in the official art at least.
>>343972176
>>343972271
>>343972297
>>343972330
But if they used the transporter to send her to 2008,what happened to the Phi that remained in 1904?
Does old Sigma consciousness get kicked out in the true ending of ZTD or does he remain
>you now realizeDeltais ?>Delta is Sigma's son just like Kyle so it would be easier to his consciousness to swap between them>has the power to "mind hack" and know information about the characters and even control their actions just like the player does
>Delta is initially introduced by Sean who points directly at the screen as if he's pointing at the player
>>343972668
It's implied that 1904 Phi adopted herself
>>343972668
I told you, she lived normally and ended up being a researcher n that same facility
There's a file in the game about the "original Phi"
>>343972581
But it's opposite day.
>>343972774
oh
deep.
I wonder if 1904 Phi was okay with being a soulless ginger
>>343971759
> Junpei acts nothing like Junpei.
Direct relates to what he would become in VLR, had not ZTD interveneed.
> Phi's hair and eyebrow suddenly changes and contradicts VLR directly (e.g. Sigma never mentions having a daughter named Phi despite it being a very very uncommon name).
The Sigma from VLR never knew he had children.
Sigma knowing he has kids and surviving the ordeal is exclusively a ZTD Sigma
>>343972698>has the power to "mind hack" and know information about the characters and even control their actions just like the player does
I was convinced this shit really was ? at first and it would be revealed to be the 'player' controlling them.
>>343971759
Left does exist, he's just the son of his adopted parents, with no extra relevance.
>>343972774
She adopted herself at 104 years old?
I guess if Delta is limber enough to fire a shotgun without breaking his spine at a century and a quarter she can take care of a kid.
>>343972531
I would have been fine with Brother being literally anyone as long as they kept him consistent with what we knew from VLR, and tied it properly into 999. His stories about life being simply unfair should have rooted from something really "unfair" that happened to Left. As it stands his motivations are just too complex (all over the place).
>>343972774
>>343972839
She did not adopt herself, as she was in her 100s
You'd think Phi would mention having a 100yo mom
She was just present when a baby Phi got sent there
What it's actually implied is that old Phi gave the brooch to baby Phi assuming the researcher didn't send the brooch to 2008
>>343972698
Kyle and ? are different things.
AlsoYou're just seeing everything through Delta's perspective, no fancy 4th wall breaks in this game
>>343972861
> Delta promises not to mindhack during the final decision.
> Game cuts to black and we have no further information.
I still believe that 99% of the time, we're viewing things from Delta's PoV or his security cameras.
So I just realized something I had never noticed before, and that I haven't seen posted in these threads yet. It answers a nagging observation that I've had since the trailer.The Number 9 Door is replaced with the X Door because X is the roman numeral for 10.
A lot of you might already have realized this, and it might have been posted, but I personally haven't seen anyone say it yet.
>>343972675
Unless I missed something, he stayed.
>>343973048
Speaking of which, who made the brooch? Where did it originally come from?
>>343972675
True end old Sigma probably stays. The only timeline that has to follow that whole loop is the ending that ties back into VLR.
>>343973086
I guessed as much pretty early on, since the static fade shot matches the one that Zero's monitors use.
>>343973205
Literally a Paradox
It got sent in the past because an older Phi had it
>>343971759
They address left in a lazy way. He is just his step brother that died.
Im more concerned with everyone saying it didnt end on a fucking cliffhanger. Zero literallt tells Akane to meet him later at the FTS world domination meeting to know the truth.
Unless the reunion was the final cinematic andthe ztd cast become the new myrmidons
>>343973068
>>343973086
How does he view the scenes that he's dead during.
>>343973205
>>343973048
>brooch
Anyone else get stuck on this shit? I was floundering for like 30 minutes before I realized it wasn't spelled "broach".
>>343973205wee woo wee woo weE WOO WEE WOO WEE WOO WEEE WOOOO WWEEEE EWWWOOOO OEEWWWEEEOOOOOEEOEOO
BOOOOOOOOOOOTSTRAAAAAAAAP
PAAAAAAARADOOOOOOOOOOOX
>>343973295Mind HackingSHIFTers.
>>343972139
my bad sempai
>>343973290
>Zero literallt tells Akane to meet him later at the FTS world domination meeting to know the truth.
Different timeline, literally just added in to explain why Akane was wearing FTS robes in the end of VLR
>>343973304
I had to rewatch the scenes again because i was putting either
Locket + Bird Cage or + Music Box
>>343973304
I has to google the proper spelling, and I write for a living. Not my proudest moment.
>>343973205
Nobody.
Alternatively, it's technically possible that someone made it and gave it to one of the Phis in a different timeline before becoming part of a loop in a new timeline, if you don't like bootstrap paradoxes.
>>343973304
>hardest puzzle in the game was knowing how to spell brooch without having to get out of bed at 3am to look it up
>>343973440
Akane had that robe since 999 though so they didn't need to explain that.
>>343973471
>>343973443
>>343973490
>>343973304
Presuming it was a locket fucked me up for a long, loooong time.
>>343973290
>Zero literallt tells Akane to meet him later at the FTS world domination meeting to know the truth.
This was in the VLR end, it was just to explain why Akane was wearing FTS robes at the end of VLR.
>>343973304
I kept putting Locket and was mystified why it wouldn't work.
I wonder how much Aksys paid to Saturn for that review and why hasn't he posted here lately.
>>343973562
Didn't Snake take the robe?
>>343973593
A question being answered by something that will lead to more questions (that don't resolve themselves) is a piss-poor answer.
WHAT HAPPENED AT THE HEADQUARTERS
>>343973490
The only thing in the game I had trouble with was
1. 7 DOWN from 3 (and 5) being 10 (and 12), fuck me it wasn't even for anything fucking worthwhile, I finished that room before getting that stupid fucking note telling me to combine the key that is so obviously meant to be combined
2. Trying to remember what word they used for the brooch (I almost killed myself when it was just fucking "brooch", and "Blue Bird". That one little spacebar wasted half an hour of my life.
>>343973562
There'd be no reason for her to randomly wear it, it's not like it's some fashion statement that goes well with her hair or something.
>>343973304
Well before getting the end where Phi and Delta are born I got to that part and felt like I knew it was the brooch and the blue bird, but I had no idea the brooch was a brooch, thankfully. If I did I would have spoiled myself.
>>343969212
TO FUCKING TRIGGER ERIC. IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO REALIZE THAT ERIC IS LITERALLY A DEVICE TO ENDANGER CARLOS AND SEAN ONCE MIRA DIES, AND TRIGGER THE FORMER'S ESPER ABILITIES.
>>343973568
>>343973643
Is there a worse feeling than this?
>With all the hype in the world for how all the things are unraveling, insert Locket and Music Box triumphantly
>It does not work
>Feel like a world class retard and undeserving to see the ending after that flop
>>343973719
>That one little spacebar
It's the only time they use spaces in passwords. Even that Latin phrase didn't require a space.
>>343961369
VLR was 25 hours for me.
ZTD was just over 18.
>>343973690
Yes he did, but should we assume she only had one robe?
>>343973743
Its a part of her zero getup so she doesn't wear it randomly.
>>343973719
The incinerator room had a puzzle box that literally just had the instructions "heat the thermometer", which I had already done because it was fucking obvious. Phi literally says "Oh, well I guess I didn't need to solve this one :^)" or something.
And I think it was the fucking heart puzzle too, which was one of the pissiest in the game
I am do angry that I wasted full price on this game, I could buy Odin Sphere instead. I trusted Uchi and he fucking picked betray. Yeah it was enjoyable but this whole game feels like a bad B movie.
>>343973831
>got the name "Sean"
>finally I can solve the 4th ending of the library fragment
>key in Sean
>E R R O R
>>343973719
I legitimately got stuck in the nuclear power room for 20 minutes because I didn't notice the matches on the floor and couldn't figure out how to start a fire.
>>343973913
It's also the only time where you have two textboxes of different lengths. No excuses to not figuring it out.
>>343974002
>Its a part of her zero getup so she doesn't wear it randomly.
Really? It's always portrayed as a plain black robe, except in that scene.
Regardless, Uchi obviously felt it was necessary to explain or he wouldn't have.
>>343974052
The more sales the more likely there will be a proper final game. Your money wasn't wasted senpai
>>343973831
>Locket
So did I mishear, or didDeltasay thathe didn't drug Mira so she could go on her crazy murder spree whenever she wanted?It would explain how she killed Junpei and D Team in that one ending, but it opens up a lot of other questions, mainly was she just pretending to forget everything each time Eric and Sean woke up? Why even keep playing along if the rules apparently didn't apply to her? She gutted Eric in front of Sean, so it's not like she was shy about hiding her killing. It just felt like a really flimsy and poorly thought out explanation
>>343973719
>blue bird
i used "music box" and it worked too. neat. i wonder if locket works in place of brooch
>>343974182
The locker room taught me to check floors first whenever I'm stuck.
>>343974165
>"Q"
>Type Q's real name
>"Sean"
>Error
>"Me"
>Cannot commit suicide
>Try literally everyone
Coming back and trying Delta just for fun after the babies ending was the fucking weirdest thing I've ever experienced in a game.
>>343974274
>mah nigga birdman
Thanks for this
>In the rec room doing the roulette puzle with the circled numbers that revealed the 4 right letters
>End up with S I N P
>Like a bumbling monkey wonder why it does not work, and actually dare to put in N I P S before the obvious one
>Go to sleep and shit the bed with the sudden realization of S P I N
>Solve the puzzle the day later and later find the piece of paper that tells you the right order of the letters like it was actually needed
>Commit Sudoku soon after
>>343974274
First time the last panel has ever been my favourite in an edit of that.
>>343974182
Oh my god are you me
>>343974459
I went with pins, then just kept randomly flipping the letters around. Felt completely retarded when I bumbled into spin.
>>343974459
>in robot room doing taser puzzle
>"starting on the left, go four right, one left, two left, one right, two right"
>okay, so I light up those four in that order, and I leave the one on the left unlit
>why isn't it working
>>343974412
>that feel when got perceptive end before old man reveal
>>343974182
>>343974559
Happened to me too
Why didn'tDelta just send some SHIFTers to investigate the terrorist attack and then have them shift backwards in time and identify the terrorist?
>>343974219
My excuse isbeing German and always using compound words. Only wasted like 5 minutes though.
>>343974268
She plays along because she's a manipulative psychopath. Keeping everyone else in the dark gives her an insane advantage, while revealing so would just even the odds of her survivability. The reasonDeltakills her is so that Eric finds the corpse and goes on his shotgun rampage, eventually sendingCarlosonto the next portion of his esper adventure whileSeanis forced to rememberthat he is in fact a robot.Mirais basically used to clean up or trigger game overs, and further along Eric's mental instability.
>>343974268
I believe, in the original plot (or maybe still in this one, just unsaid) that Mira was meant to be a member of FTS, and sort of an analog of Ace. Both were villains who were betrayed by the genetic limitations of their brains, and would have related to FTS's message of removing the consciousness from the imperfect body. It would have also fit the theme of moral agency: was Mira really morally responsible if she had a psychological deformity?
>>343974679
You act like Delta had some shifters on hand. Wasn't the whole point of the game to make an elite team of shifters to find the terrorist or some bullshit
>>343974225
Thats true, but I assumed it was the same robe because it was dark out and the hood is exactly the same.
>>343974459
I still don't understand how the word "spin" didn't come into most people's mind when they see a fucking roulette. How the fuck does "nips" come to people's mind first? What the fuck, this shit is fucking funny.
Admittedly, I did try "nips" first, but tried "spin" immediately after because roulette and all.
>>343974679
That's literally the fucking plot of the game.
That's exactly what he did.
>>343974648
GOD I DID THE SAME THING
I was like "why is one not mentioned"
>>343974459
>N I P S
Go to bed Junpei.
Shout out to the niggas who cheated in the transporter room and looked up a guide online.I have no shame.
>>343974840
>>343974809
then why did he need to introduce radical-6 into the world
>>343974906
>cheated in the transporter room and looked up a guide online
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>343974820
It's just, you know, those moments that make you think you don't deserve to be alive
>>343974648
A thousand times this. What a dumb fucking puzzle.
>>343974274
It needs Complex, the fuck, and that anon that always picks up zero escape without knowing its a vn.
>>343974274
I wonder what that Wikia panel said.
>>343974979
Get out.
>>343974906
>Oh no, math! My only weakness!
>>343974927
But he didn't. The world is obviously free of radical-6.
8^)Bootstrap paradox.
>>343974927
Because a ludicrously complicated plot involving cults, clones, time travel, deathtraps, and the apocalypse is a way better idea than just asking people for help.
>>343975052It's the Zero Sr. Termite copypasta
>>343974906
I was so proud of myself for solving that puzzle 100% legit using my amazing raw math skills.
Then I had to cheat and look it up because I couldn't figure out where the fuck you were actually supposed to input the password and I didn't realize you could click on the nucleus.
I don't get why people are complaining about the transport room "math problems"
If they are referring to the purple symbols floating in air, Sigma and Diana straight out tell you the answer when you click them
If they are referring to convert that numbero to a 4 digit number, there was that spin thing that told you the answer
Honestly, what was the math problem here? The thing i got stuck on was that i didn't know i had to click on the pillar and spent a year pondering on what to do
>>343974906
It wasn't that tough. In a way, I do like these kind of questions, so I kind of enjoyed breaking them down and solving it.
Still took me a while, but damn if it wasn't satisfying punching everything in correctly.
>>343974927
He didn't. It was all a ruse. He just planned to do it. All other things that happened in VLR and ZTD are just multiple timelines appeared due to coin toss.
>>343974906
If you actually couldn't figure out the transporter room puzzle you must be literally retarded. It wasn't that hard and was also one of the most engaging puzzles in the game.
If you couldn't sit through that, I have no idea how you made it through 999 and VLR. The transporter room puzzle was on par with most of the puzzles in those games.
seancan't jump right,?
>>343975243termites?
>>343974927
There were a lot of moving parts that had to come together to reach the true end. If all else failed he could just release Radical-6.
In addition, if he never created the timeline of VLR then Sigma and Phi wouldn't have learned to shift and old Akane never would have told young Akane about Radical-6, leading her and Junpei to dcom.
>>343975052
Is Alex Shepherd the owner of the wiki?
>>343975052
To be fair it's pretty much canon that Cleaver is a sociopath and perhaps psychopath. She doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone but makes sure no one knows it until the right moment.
>>343974906
Yep. Right here. I don't feel bad because I never would have figured out where to input the final cards without a guide anyway.
>>343975141
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? COMMUNICATION IS HARD AND SCARY! IT'S EASIER TO JUST CREATE A MASSIVE DEATHTRAP, A QUANTUM COMPUTER, AND DRUG/ABDUCT A WHOLE TEAM OF ANGRY TIMETRAVELLERS, GET THEM TO KILL EACH OTHER SO THEY CAN EVENTUALLY REACH YOU, THEN EXPLAIN EVERYTHING IN THE MOST MELODRAMATIC FASHION POSSIBLE.
>>343974906
I looked up for the answers for the final room in VLR. It was 2 - 3am and I was really eager to finish it once and for all already. I'm too fucking tired to solve another fucking puzzle.
>>343974303
THIRTY
MINUTES
SCREEEEEEECH
>>343974906
I only had to look it up when I didn't realize I needed to make a second part for the converter thing. I did all of the actual figuring out numbers, though. Neat puzzle.
>>343975374
Yes
He is also the man who destroyed the Silent Hill wiki with theories about penis circumcision theories
>>343975254
>>343975279
>>343975412
>figuring out where you have to click to input the answer was harder for people than the actual puzzle
10/10 game design.
>>343974906
>Play card game to understand relative power level of bird sun and flower
>do basic multiplication to fill in the blanks
I did feel stupid when I forgot I had the reels in my inventory for that device though
>>343975563
>penis circumcision theories
Do tell.
>>343975382
thats not canon, thats a strong assumption with no confirmation.
>>343975351
I don't think so, but his brain is a cloud computer, meaning he can just recall data. That was the whole point of the decision anyways: Creating a timeline where the Quantum Computer would oversee all the other timelines like a morphogenetic field.
>>343974459
To be fair the game did a very good job at making you overthink something that ended up being super fucking simple, a lot.
>>343974274
Termites panel needs to be replaced with Snail
>>343975795
>no confirmation
tee hee muh snake everyone dies now
tee hee pick betray it'll be hilarious I'll let you touch me what the fuck don't touch me
If Uchikoshi writes for another VN-hybrid type game what would you want it to be about? I mean pretty much everything he's written has been X people trapped in Y because Z, but does anyone have any out of the box ideas that seem plausible?
>>343975382
She was forced to play three death games from a young age. The shit fucks you up.
>>343975374
He's one of the admins.
>>343975382
Maybe but it's kind of a stretch to say what she's actually diagnosed with.
>>343975563
Another admin pretty much cleaned everything up and told Alex to cool it or he's banned. He's still trying to insinuate Silent Hill is about circumcision on subtler ways and watches the damn wiki like a hawk.
How did Delta get Gab to leave his little room at the exact right moment?
>>343975962
A conclusion.
>>343975626
That's the manufacturing room. Good luck pressing the grey button on the 3DS.
>>343975686
I'm not going to waste my time doing that.
It's a long story
https://storify.com/jasperrolls/the-silent-hill-wiki-circumcision-meltdown-of-2015
>Alien transport thing is super important to the plot
>The cards end up being the ace in the sleeve against the injections
I hated this
>>343976006
MIND HACKS
>>343975941
Which proves that under the right conditions people can snap. It doesn't confirm that she has mental problems.
>>343976006
Gab is Kyle, we've already discussed this.
>>343975962
Never mind that, the next big X people trapped in Y because Z has already been announced
http://gematsu.com/2016/07/idol-death-game-tv-death-game-set-desolate-mansion
>200 members
>>343975686
https://storify.com/jasperrolls/the-silent-hill-wiki-circumcision-meltdown-of-2015
Have some popcorn ready.
>>343976006
Mind Hacked Kyle.
>>343976198
>what does japanese mean
>>343976097
Holy hell.
>>343975962
Astronauts trapped in a space station. The excuse can be, I dunno, the human race went extinct long ago and aliens captured the last couple and made clones and are putting them through psychological stress tests to determine if the copies are actually 100% identical to the original and their memory replication process was successful.
>>343975115
>>343975329
I suppose he didn't think much of the dangers of Radical-6, and we only do because we know the story of VLR and have spent way more time in that version of the universe.
Help /v/, I'm stuck in the game now, don't know how to get the exit boxes passwords orthe golden door password for diana/sigma after the transport part or who killed junpei/mira.
>>343976106
AYYLIUM CARDS FOLDED 6 BILLION TIMES
>>343975962
Nine time travellers sneak into a terrorist compound but get trapped and forced to play a game of life and death. One of them is the terrorist. Can they stop the nukes in time?
>>343976031
ZE4 would be cool I guess but I honestly would rather him just move past it at this point. Or at least make the next Zero Escape title it's own thing that doesn't involve the current cast.
>mfw the decision game used to literally announce ZTD is the single most "difficult" decision in the whole game
ROLLING 3 1's ON DICE ISN'T A FUCKING DECISION
>>343976275
The main observable time line of the Zero Escape saga has a giant fucking circle right in the middle of it before it shoots out into a presumably good ending. Delta was just doing his part of putting all the pieces into play.
>>343976097
What the fuck
>>343976281
Don't bullshit Eric about who killed Mira, you damn brat
>>343976281
When Eric asks Q who killed Mira, just wait, and don't say anything. Make sure you've watched all 3 execution scenes.
>>343976281
You still got a long way to go, senpai. Have you got all the execution endings?
So do they ever explain anything about the aliens that made the transporter? Everyone acts like it's pretty pedestrian instead of the "Holy shit, there's aliens? And they've been here enough to leave their shit here?" reaction you would reasonably expect.
>>343976314
Where do I sign up?
>>343976394
It's basically RNG just to fuck them over, have them SHIFT until they got it right.
>>343976281
Vote for everyone in the first Decision Game (the one where Carlos proposed to vote clockwise). Meaning, go and make so that you see every team getting a short end of the stick in the voting, one by one.
>>343976271
That sounds kind of cool. Are you sure you're not thinking of an actual thing?
>>343976798
I think I just made it up but I might have ripped it off from something then forgotten.
What if Uchi made a game about being a neet and you had to choose between masturbating to doujins or leveling up in an mmo
>>343976562
Nope, they never explain it.
Or why the germans lost the wars with fucking alien time travel tech on their side.
>>343975962
What about zero escape except everyone wants to stay inside and instead of seek your way out its seek your way in, and if you lose or get betrayed you are forced to go outside.
>>343976394
This, althought after the end the dice roll actually got used in the Shift shenaningans
But when i first went for it i got mad at how it was not a "decision"
Another stupid one was "we are dying from poison, should we drink this may-be antidote?"
>Nah, it's just pain drugs, let's just chill
To think it started good with the initial vote
>>343976501
I'm still mad "your mom/dad/brother" don't broke his mind or make him totally crazy.
>>343976508
Ah, I see. I will try that.
>>343976531
I guess, are these endingsthe other teams get acid'ed?
>>343976562
RETCON
>>343976940
Then he'd make a game about my life.
>>343975330
There comes a point in time where you just don't fucking care about the puzzles and want to continue the story. Did the same thing for the Q room in VLR.
>>343976940
So Chaos;Head?
>>343976994
Zero Escape: Infiltration
Seek A WayIn
>>343976562
I really want to think that aliens were just a load of bullshit like All-Ice but I have no idea what the alternative is.
>>343976562
Nope, and you'd think they could have come up with a better explanation than ALIENSLOL for such an integral part of the story.
>>343977047
Yeah, pretty much. There's also one where all 3 of them did not kill each other, but I guess you already got that if you have the quit box fragment unlocked.
What the other two anon suggested is correct, you should try it.
>>343976947
That shit had to be hard to power. A fucking fusion reactor needs 10 months for one charge. Germans probably hadn't the means to power it constantly.
>mfw Uchikoshi implemented the Fregoli delusion in ZTD and we were the ones suffering from it
>>343977047
Not yet. He's talking about the exploding collars.
>>343977168
>Zero Escape: Infiltration
>Zero Escape
>Escape>it's Zero Escape because you're not actually trying to escape this time
I like it
>>343976947
They could only use it once every ten months. Even if they did use it, it probably just means they created an alternate timeline where they won.
>>343976947
They lost becauseHitler's motives were too complex
>>343977168
a weapon to surpass metal gear...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8291323/Teenager-killed-after-a-slug-causes-traffic-light-failure.html
Life is simply unfair...don't you think?
The main highlight of ZTD was the ending where Diana and Sigma get stuck together.That whole ride was amazing + at the end where they use the force quit box and she remembers everything and turns and hugs Phi.But hold the fuck up.. after all that.. does young sigma come back? or does old sigma essentially live on in his younger body. Where the fuck did young sigma come back to?
>>343977389
Someone tweet Uchikami-sama
>>343977168
>>343977523
>>343976314
It all adds up.
>>343977546
Young Sigma got Marty McFly'd out of existence.
>Make everyone vote against the Gab letter plan, essentialy spreading out the vote, but with the intent of actually killing the other teams
>This has no effect because there's just one "everyone is still alive", so you never get to the point where they confront each other about on how they're still alive, but for "evil reasons"
>The game tricks you in never reavealing how the vote really happened with things like Sigma remembering voting one team and Phi the other, with Diana not remembering altogether
>>343977047
Not the acid, the first vote where everyone spreads out their picks. If you didn't see three different death scenes from them, go back and keep redoing the vote until you do. Even though I voted both ways with each team, it still didn't trigger the death scenes for some reason and I had to go back and redo them.
>>343977643
Who?
You mean M, the high school protagonist who almost gets it on with his mother?
When Akane was talking about Back to the Future it made me think. They were saying that when the different histories change place that one of them is left with a shitty end. Why assume it becomes a shitty end?
For example in Akanes example she said M2 stops his dad from punching Biff. What if M2's father was an abusive drunk and it all lead back to that punch? If the two Martys change places, maybe the poor goofy submissive dad is far more desirable to Marty 2? On the flip side, who says the two universes stay the same? Maybe for M2 it's not just simply poor Martys home, but maybe a happy poor family? Middle class family?
In relation to Zero Escape, maybe every time they shift the outcomes aren't what they thought they'd be for the ones that get shifted into? Example: Carlos in the pod transporter room being shot by Carlos. Maybe the Carlos that gets pulled into that body does so in time to stop Carlos from pulling the trigger, or Sigma is able to stop him beforehand?
Why assume that the shitted into people go through the exact same things? I mean the point of shifting is to change outcomes. Perhaps even the supposed bad outcomes like Carlos being shot in the pod room can change.
>>343977767
>>343977643
I swear i spat my drink when Akane started mentioning back to the future
>>343977839
It made me think on why she tought that M1 and M2 simply swapped instead of thinking that M1 kicked M2 that kicked M3, that kicked M62, that kicked M108918349, that kicked M1
>>343977839
Past tense of shit is shat
>>343976994
Bizarro zero escape, so instead of finding out who Zero is, you're trying to show yourself to zero?
>>343977839
>Maybe for M2 it's not just simply poor Martys home, but maybe a happy poor family?
That just means he's taken M3's place and that poor bastard has to deal with M1's life.
>>343977168
>>343977523
>>343977389
Combine this with the idea an anon posted some threads ago (Third-Person Shooter with Junpei and Seven) and it's absolutely perfect.
>>343977531
http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/driver-flips-totals-car-slipping-snail-slime-40213005
It keeps happening!
>>343977047
>>343977235
Oh fuck, I was mistaken. Yes I actually meant the ring-on-neck execution scenes, not the acid scene.
>>343977643
Old Sigma is a selfish prick.. as soon as that was over he should've SHIFTed back into the future. Leaving a disappointed Diana and confused Sigma in his place.
>>343977618Mind hack?
Someone really needs to make a snail version of this gif.
>>343978130
Psycho... Mantis?
>>343977960
>that kicked M108918349, that kicked M1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel
It's possible to invoke this and say that there was nobody in the body that gets killed
>>343978130
Who wins in a fight between Delta and Psycho Mantis.
Remember that Delta has snail powers and very complex motivations which will confuse Mantis.
>>343978130
Morphogenetic Field?
>>343977839
I think the game made Akane make it clear that they get indeed swapped and that it's a shitty ending for it to become relevant in the last decision of the game since you're essentialy deciding that some lucky people that got a toin coss right must die for you to live
It loses weight if you think "no they will be ok in the end" or "those lucky guys are not gonna get swapped with us, they're just gonna kick someone else out"
>>343978236
Who has danker memes?
>>343977546
Young Sigma came back to April 13, 2029 in the VLR end timeline, the one where C team was executed, D team escaped, and Junpei, Akane, and Carlos arrived via transporter. He will then become old Sigma, travel back to participate in Dcom, and from there splits off. Assumedly the one that will swap with young Sigma is the one that perpetuates the stable time loop of the VLR timeline, not the Sigma from the true ending.
>>343978236
They'll end up reading each other's minds reading each other's minds and... well we can all imagine what would happen.
>the ideas from this thread
YES YES YES
>>343978654
>tactical puzzle action
kek
>>343978654
Aww shiet nigga, which site was this from?
>>343978654
Well done.
>>343978654
>not COMPLEX PUZZLE ACTION
>>343978364
If that's the case and it's an infinite loop of pushing different versions of themselves out, in a sense nobody gets completely shafted?
Wouldn't the everyone leaves with the coin toss ending be the actual ending? I mean all the other stuff happened, but do they still exist? Are they all moving forward?
>>343978843
Carlos was a bro. I hope his sister will be ok.
>>343978948
>Carlos was a bro. I hope his sister will be ok.
Read the post game memos.
>>343978948
>Carlos was a bro. I hope his sister will be ok.
Did you read the epilogue stuff?
>>343978948
She's ok in the epilogue in the files
>>343961369
I clocked in 40hours in VLR...
>>343972554
Don't know why they didn't bring it up but transporting technology was being researched in Germany and its an urban legend that they did develop a transporter. Would make sense as to why the Americans have it now. (different transporting than ZTD but I think that's where he got the idea? Just spit balling. )
>>343979159
3DS or Vita?
If 3DS, you have little excuse. If Vita you were really struggling for the plat.
>>343978727
>>343978843
>>343978919
>>343978924
Full version.
It was made here but other sites stole it.
>>343979159
Yeah, me too. I didn't even feel like I got stuck for too long on anything.
>>343979019
>>343979027
>>343979036
But all the other Carlos left a lonely sister behind.
>>343979213
Honestly i could have forgiven the alien technology if they brought it up before, even if just in the third game and if the room was actually behind some kind of lock to make it seem more important
>>343978130
The Ultimate thrill!
The Ultimate Stoty!
The Ultimate Scale!
Metal Gear Funyarinpa: Bipedal Quantum Puzzle Solving System
From Zero to Omega
The missing link that completes the saga
>>343979348
>no "Playing With Gab" pet simulation minigame
>the dog actually died
truly the worst timeline
>>343974906
I did it without paper. The trick was realizing that the moon and the person had to either be 2 or 3 because of the limited amount of numbers you have. From there it becomes much easier to figure out where every other number goes.
So what are the chances there's also a young Delta, just like there's an old Phi and young Phi?
Kind of interesting since ZTD was a little bit like the MGSV of Zero Escape.
>>343979530
>that ending whereSean chooses to stay with Gab over freedom
>>343974669
>>343979530
>was expecting a sinister twist with Gab the whole time
>he really did just end up being a cool old dog and thats it
>>343979586
I did it exactly like this
>>343979681
Only baby Phi was sent to 2008 because of an experiment
>>343979778
No he didn't.
>>343979778
Better stop crying for when you realize he stayed behind for the old man in the wheelchair instead of the dog
>>343979787
Gab was Kevin.
>>343979036
I hope Carlos has time for love now, andgets a boyfriend.
>>343979778
He stayed withQ.
>>343979530
>the dog actually diedHe gets better.
>>343979918
>Mira and Eric left behind Q
Why
>>343979984
>>343979918
>>343979824
He initially runs back for Gab, and those was all the feels I needed.
>>343980042
Did you forget about the steel chain or something
>>343980042
He was chained to the computer remember? They didn't want to leave them behind.
>>343980042
Q and Gab were both chained up.
>>343979929
Kyle
>>343980159
>>343980175
If I go back and rewatch that scene will it be obvious that Gab wasn't the only one chained up or something?
>>343980280
Yea.
>Zero Escape Series Extra Volume: Infiltration
>Genre: Stealth mixed with puzzle solving and VN sections between areas
>Playable characters: Junpei and Seven (Raiden and Snake)
>The plot is about the two detectives exploring and destroying the Free The Soul HQ
>Solves various plot holes like what happened to Kyle and Snake (the two could be the Otacons of the game)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'm literally screaming right now because I will know this will never happen.
>>343979693
That or 4.
>>343980280
Yes and no. Gab is chained but it's around a pole while Q is chained to the computer but tangled up or something.
>>343980421
Snake is a musician after fucking 999. Clover says this.
>>343973048
This is the same world as ayylmao technology and magic mind powers. So of course she adopted herself, she even said she had elderly parents.
>>343980280
Don't know about "obvious", but there sure as hell gonna be hints like shadows or some shit
You could argue that one is that if it was just the dog they could have chopped the paw instead of just letting it die
I feel ZTD was a great game with an underwhelming ending. Surprised so many people think it was bad here. I thought it could have been a lot better by adding more scenes, covering a few plot holes, going back once or twice to show things (like akane at the FTS rally) , epilogue scenes, etc. There is a solid framework for the ending there, we just got a bare bones version of it. I feel with 30 mins more exposition at least 70% of my gripes would be gone.
Tldr loved the game, ending left me very underwhelmed.
>>343980524
They both join SOIS though dont they?
>>343980228
Yeah, sure, Karl.
So when Delta shot Gab, did anyone else realize that he probably did it as his own strange sense of mercy? Like when he was talking about Gab not having that much time life, I got the feeling he was also talking about himself there too.
>>343980421
This still image has better animation than the scene where Junpei is held back in ZTD
>>343980654
Only Clover does.
It's weird seeing so many people giddily talking about this game. I fucking hated it and was bored to tears the majority of the time. The ending was alright but holy shit do the characters in this game suck shift.
>>343980674
Klint
>>343980697
Fuck no, he shot Gab just because then they couldn't have shifted to "before he shot Gab" 'cause they couldn't know when it happened
>>343980619
Yeah, I'm with you. The individual fragments were all interesting on their own. Some of the puzzles I could go without, but the decisions and murder and shit was fun. Once everyone started shifting and transporting and shit like that, it was really great seeing things come together. Then the ending just kind of fell flat.
>>343980793
No, they both joined. Clover was transmitting information back to Snake during her infiltration.
>>343975962
Zero, in full costume, is a participant and has no idea why he's there
>>343980421
Screncapped this for future use
>tfw a bunch of anons had a better idea than the main writer of the series
>>343980823
Gab was going to be fucked no matter what they did. In that ending, Gab can't shift. He was going to get nuked along with the poor saps that they were swapping with.
>>343980814
>suck shift
heh
>>343980846
Same here
Then
>It's Q
>old man in wheelchair
>WHAT
>MIND HAKKU
>wut
>>343977531
Kek i read it in zero's voice
>>343981037
>Gab can't shift
Honestly i wouldn't be surprised if that ended up being the opposite
That scene where Sigma was lamenting the fact that he would never create Kyle or Lagomorph was weird because I never thought about Lagomorph as an actual thing worth caring about. Never really considered that, like Luna, he had an existence beyond just facilitating the AB game.
Why did they have to call it mind hacking?
>>343981301
cuz he haxxx ur mind
I'm surprised you only have a problem with the name when he literally said "I was born with the ability to read minds and I can also make anyone do anything I want but only for like 2 seconds lol"
That was some straight D-tier anime shit right there, like little kids on the playground making up hero powers bad.
>>343981201
I gues it was supposed to be a big reveal that in reality he was a really lonely old man
>>343981301
Brother wants to be trendy and cool like the rest of the kids playing his game. I'd prefer the term Mind Access but what's done is done
What do you think Delta's reactions were to seeing his parent's memories of hardcore fucking in the transporter pods?
What secrets would Delta reveal if he Mind Hacked® you? Be honest.
>>343981689
124yo boner
>>343981689
>why don't I have 18 inches
>>343981689
Considering he's probably encountered basement dwellers that masturbate to bara furries and vore, I doubt he's fazed much by regular sex.
Was anything revealed at the AX panel with regards to why Kyle's importance was seemingly forgotten? Or are we supposed to assume that the mindhack ability Delta has is somehow related to Kyle and ?
>>343981784
My love for Carlos
He better not tell him!
>>343981134
The old man wheelchair thing felt cheap for me (similar to Scott Shelby in that one scene in heavy rain where he does stuff you don't see that's vital to the point). There had to be more to show a person is with them the whole time. Triangle made me think that Q was active camo'ing with the walls or something instead of being In a chair.
Realizing that you see most of the game through him helps a bit but i feel it was just a underwhelming plot twist that is not emphasized enough (and I liked the sigma doesnt realize he has an old robot face twist)
>>343979390
2nd Carlos in every timeline prevents this
>>343982106
There are some pretty cool clues though. Like thestatus screen when Delta and Phi are born.as well ashis X-passes.
>>343982392
There are some cool clues, and it's a neat idea, but I feel like the execution just didn't quite work out.
>>343982028
He didn't give us an answer and I believe they were trying to discourage discussion about spoilers.
>>343982312
Are you saying he transported to every timeline at once?
>>343980280
I just went back and rewatched it, and it's not obvious at all. There'a a couple of quick shots where it looks like the characters might be looking at someone else when they're talking, but it's really subtle, and the final shot during the fade out shows a chain on the ground leading to a shadow that is presumably Q, but it's not clear. They spend the entire scene looming over Gab working on the chain, and Sean sits next to Gab as he talks when he goes back, possibly looking at Q when it normally looks like he's just staring off into space.
