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Zero Time Dilemma


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We picked ally and Uchikoshi picked betray
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The game is fine
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>>343981908
Worst $40, should have waited for the price drop.

Good thing I avoided all those plot-concluding spoilers.
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>>343982018

Were you fine with the animations of Sean trying to murder Carlos?
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Would the game have looked better if they kept the camera filter from the trailers? Or unlock it after the game?
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I wonder if that anon enjoyed his trip to Nintendo World.
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>>343981908

So what was the single worst thing about the game to you guys? The weird disjointed story structure? The shitty plain characters? The lack of suspense? The silly ending? The lackluster puzzles? What was it that BROKE YOUR HEART?
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>>343981908
where did kyle go
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As someone who just played through the series in time for ZTD to be out, I feel like maybe the long wait may have warped some expectations for this game. I mean the animations are shit and the plot gets sloppy once Q is revealed but it's pretty good overall.
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>>343982220
Gab, we went over this a few times.
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Someone post PC screenshots I need them.
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In the library, Q wasn't on the 9-person portraits and nobody in Q team mentioned the discrepancy. Why?
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>>343982382
It could've been Q for all they knew.
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REMINDER
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Threadly Reminder.
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>>343982514
Why is everyone so obsessed with Snake? He becomes a secret agent harpist and lives happily ever after. The end.
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>>343982253

I didn't even know a 3rd game was being made until like a week ago and I still thought it was pretty bad.
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>>343982705
He's just dapper as fuck.
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>>343982220
Into the land of dropped concepts. :-)
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>>343982657
Some of those are actually answered
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>>343981908
You picked betray the moment you decided to torrent the game.
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>>343982806
sshhhh anon

shitposters aren't here for discussion, you know this.
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>>343982657
So is this it? Is Uchikoshi confirmed for hack status?
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>>343982382
That would spoil the twist. No idea, I had the same thought.
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>>343982806
Not at all.
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>there are people who like to ignore the fact the game came out at all despite massive budget cuts and only a year turn-around time including developing the fucking engine.
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>>343982359
You can headcanon all you want, won't make it true
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>>343982975
While it's true people are still entitled to their own whinings
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>>343982975
Go away, Infanune.
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>>343983184
BUT IT'S
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>>343982975
>"It's better than nothing." - Keiji Inafune
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post yfw uchikoshi gets hired by telltale
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>>343982657
>Not important, could easily be answered in a new Q&A
>Not important, could easily be answered in a new Q&A
>Partially answered, the other part is potentially interesting but easily inferred and could easily be answered in a new Q&A
>Not important, could easily be answered in a new Q&A
>Dropped the ball on a lot of this, honestly

Why does everyone need to know what happened to every character during every timeline? I get it, Uchikoshi dropped some stuff from the game, perhaps because the scope of the project was diminished by budget, but a lot of this stuff is just extra details, the kind of stuff that you'd read in supplementary material, not worth spending actual story time on.
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>>343983262
Why hasn't there a JUST edit of this?
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>>343981908
Junpei and Akane are assholes now.
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>>343983235
>>343983251
Mother fuckers
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>>343983335
Apologist.
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>>343983184
No one is denying plot strings were dropped, but I'm just fucking happy I have a ZE3 at all. This is the best we could've gotten in the situation it was in.

Is it perfect? Hell no, that's 999. But for a conclusion it's pretty good.
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>>343982806

At best, the Ace one is answered with 1 throwaway sentence and the Akane one is kind of answered?
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Here's the question I have: Why doesn't anyone on Q-Team wonder why Sean's name isn't on the X-Pass board with all of the others? Why does no one mention that there's more people playing the game than there are potential X-Passes?
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>>343982975
That's not a justification for the game being bad.
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>>343983371
>Akane
>Not an asshole
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>>343983456
The game isn't bad though. A few plot strings get dropped but most everything important is answered.
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>>343983452
mira doesn't give a shit and eric suspects him the whole time, he's just a fuck up
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>>343983380
No, I genuinely didn't care about any of this shit going into ZTD. I wanted to know what would happen with Junpei, Akane, Sigma, and Phi, and what would happen with Radical-6 and the fate of the world. I don't need to know how many freckles Nona has or where Snake likes to shit.
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>>343982862
You could say that.

>>343983335
Time of day certainly is right. Not surprising to see late-night /v/ full of Uchi apologists.
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>>343983459
Why is 999 June so cute?
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>>343983452
Did they ever specifically say only 9 people were participating?
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>>343983607
in the trailers
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>>343982975
Its hard to believe the game had a lower budget than 999.
With all the camera angle shit they tried to do but failed due to godawful animations.
Seriously nobody who was playing or making this can think and say to themselves. "Yeah this looks good"
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>>343983452
It was the reason Eric was so suspicious of him. Mira doesn't give a shit.
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>>343983607
There's only 9 names on the board
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>>343983452
The other teams do not question it because they don't know Sean exists at all, they think it's just Q, Mira and Eric

I don't remember any timeline in which Mira and Eric kill Q and Sean and then ask themselves why Sean had no xpass
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>>343983714
hmm, true. Not sure why Eric and Mira wouldn't question it.
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>>343983693
Is that confirmed?
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>>343983695
Yeah, but my point is why is it never brought up? I get that it's to guard the twist, but when the twist is so obtuse you have to run circles around logic like that, maybe it's just a shitty twist.
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>>343983693
ZTD has great models, it's just ruined by the shitty robotic animations. Even VLR looked better despite the okay-ish models.
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>>343982220
He shifted into a better game. The only one who had a good ending.
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>>343984001
>we got a shitty game in this timeline

I blame the snail.
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>>343983693
It's a miracle we got something outside of a book.

>>343983834
It's not confirmed but it's a well-known fact that ZE3 had funding issues which is why it took so long to get made. Animation is pretty fucking expensive, 3D or not, and you can't really sell a VN title with sprites in this day and age.
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>>343983849
Everyone's name is already on the X-pass board, their name just moves from the alive side to the dead side if you die. Sean's name not being there should have been a pretty major talking point.
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>>343983849
eric loses his memories constantly and doesn't shift or access the morphogenetic field so he doesn't have time to question it usually
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>>343984114
meant for
>>343983718
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I really fucking love Ice Cream.
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>>343984102
>What is Danganronpa
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>>343982220
He's in Carlos2 body, he was necessary because if Carlos had stopped the game then the terrorist wins.
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>>343983849

I think the library puzzle was conceived before they thought of the twist.
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>>343984001
Well, considering (?) was the videogame player, I assume if you close ZTD and play another game you could say he jumped into that other game.

If that game is Bravely Default it even fits with the game lore since Tiz is possessed by a videogame player too
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>>343984102
Danganronpa manages.
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>bad animations
What is this meme? I thought they were fine except for Sigma frowning all the time. Even when he laughs
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If you guys had $200k to spare, would you help fund ZTD?
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>>343983952

:() :| :() :| :()

ó____ò
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>>343984102
>and you can't really sell a VN title with sprites in this day and age

r u dum
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>>343984367
Uchi always comes up with the twist before anything else. If that wasn't true for this then maybe that was the problem.
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>>343984398
sleepwithme.webm
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>>343984398
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>>343984398
oh boy
here we go
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Im pretty sure they accommodated the whole plot just to fit into the "player is zero" twist. The game and the plot were damaged by forcing it to fit in that twist.

It seems the whole game was just an excuse to present that twist, and all the dropped plot points were discarded because they wouldnt fit within the new twist gimmick
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I'm missing three cinema files on the bottom and one quest file at the bottom, anyone know where I can get these?
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>>343984398
I liked the game but the animations were shit. They were stiff and robotic, and shit like Akane's hair was really fucked. I could easily forgive that, but the mouth animations were so bad. Generic flapping mouths like VLR would have been better than the awful shit that happened in this game.
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>>343984398
Frankly the animation and graphics are the least of its issues. They are decent enough for a budget game.
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>>343984585
>It seems the whole game was just an excuse to present that twist
999 and probably VLR were exactly the same way.
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CARLOS FUCKING JUNPEI PORN WHEN
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Anyone care to explain again Delta's complex motive?
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>>343984398
Is this just a bait so people can post webms of the bad animations?
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>>343984569
>that fucking sitting pose
It's hilarious how much of a nihilistic asshole it makes him look.
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>>343984635
Quest file is probably the one from the library. You should've gotten another note or clue that showed Letter-##-#### for the chair. It shows you what to do with the parts you get, in case you're a retard.
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>>343984831
It's complex
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>>343984274
And danganronpa is shit. Your point?
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>>343984576
Did Uchikoshi forgot that Phi could only use High Jump Kick because they were in space?
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What was the point of the blue button?
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>>343984415
Are you trying to imply that the game has shitty mouth animations?
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>>343984831
To complete the loop.
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>>343984910
shit or not, it sells, dumbass
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>>343984398

Did you think the sean-clone trying to kill carlos (with the naruto run no less) segment had nice animations? Or am i being baited here?

The models looked okay while stationary, but in my opinion junpei was unrecognizable from his 999-look. Eric also had clipping issues while folding his arms really early in the game. It just looks amateurish at points.
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>>343985001
Don't respond to shitposters.
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>>343983952
The animations are caused by the models. The rigging blows ass, it's plain as day.
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>>343984949
It does.
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>>343984831
Obligatory
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>>343982705
It's funny to imagine him doing a cockney accent

>>343983262
But how would the choices matter

>>343984831
1.) Make sure he and Phi were born
2.) Band everyone together to stop the terrorist
3.) Let Sean live a happy life in some way
4.) Personal amusement
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>>343984910
That you can
>really sell a VN title with sprites in this day and age
DR sells better than ZE.
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>>343984449
>>343984379
goddamn, totally forgot about that. But, yeah, it's hard to go back to 2D when you've already used 3D in a past game.

Also fuck danganronpa, that game is so mediocre.
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>>343984398
I can't see "bad animations" as a legitimate complain granted you knew beforehand they had no money

Making the plot costs so no money so you can shit on that however you want
But "it's a bad game because the animations are bad" is just stupid to me

It's just what we got
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>>343984886
Speaking of the library. what did the note you get from the vault with the statues in it unlock? I couldn't figure it out.
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>>343985040
I don't deny it. I was just wondering if that was what you meant in that post.
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>>343984831
By complex he meant he had multiple goals

>Ensure that him and Phi were born, and born with powers
>Find a solution to the terrorist problem, by either releasing Radical-6 or ending up with Shift Team Six
>Observe how human decision changes the future, because he finds it interesting and is an asshole
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>>343984831

He fucked with his parents(and apparently needed to get them to fuck to ensure some kind of time loop where he's born) and a bunch of other people because apparently in the future he expended a lot of effort making an insanely potent virus and a powerful world cult to kill 6 billion people so that 2 billion might be spared and he is trying to antogonize his parents and their friends into one upping him being making them undergo death games and shit to see if they can save more people because they need to be in the right motivated frame of mind or some shit.

Mind hacked, bitch.
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>>343985042
MIND HACK, muthafucka. That will never not make me laugh.
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>>343984831
He wants to be born, kill a lot of people with his suicide STD, but then not kill anyone, but maybe just one guy because he's a terrorist, and make everyone gung ho about all of it.

Also shifters give him a raging boner.
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If I haven't played Zero Escape or Virtue's Last Reward, should I play Zero Time Dilemma?

I'm looking for a good puzzle game. Will this scratch my itch?
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Is the quantum computer really just the morphogenetic field everyone taps into throughout all three games?
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>>343984585

Uchi literally writes his twists first then stories around it later. He said so himself
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>>343985124
Did you finish the game? I forgot what the note said on it since it's been a good while.

Also, the positions of the files don't matter since they'll fill up the spaces on their own, I think.
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>>343984940
To make Sigma look like an asshole.
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>>343985314
No
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>>343985314
999 then VLR then ZTD

There is no other option

Just don't expect much out of ZTD
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>>343985003
Junpei and Akane models didn't look like them at all.
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>>343985314
Nope
You will get spoilered you cancerous dumb nigger
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>>343985314
No.
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I kind of wished that, at the end of the game, the whole shifting timelines superpower got somehow deleted

Since the second game it has become lame and abused, i wanted it to end somehow
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>>343985314
I wouldn't call them very good puzzle games, but you probably should start with 999. It does have easier puzzles than ZTD and VLR, but you'd find yourself out of the loop with the story otherwise.
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>>343985314
EVERY THREAD UNTIL YOU LIKE IT
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>>343985113

Bad animations is a legitimate fucking complaint regardless of the game's budget. Maybe if it cost $25 I'd accept your argument. If you cannot properly animate the scenes then its fucking common sense to narrate them while providing still images depicting the action.
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>>343985357
>>343985124
Wait I remember.

You input that into the chair and you get the note telling you how to assemble the key.

Like I said, you'd need to be a retard not to just combine shit you get.
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>>343985347
I think a lot people do that too, even Yoko Taro.
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>>343984886
Sorry, here's a screenshot of the quest section I should have provided beforehand
Will do the other next
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>>343985584
Got you covered.
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>>343985642

I honestly think the game would have been better off with just VN style still images.
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I just beat 999 today, having previously played VLR and ZTD.

Objective ranking:

VLR > ZTD > 999
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>>343985682
I'm going to post this everytime I see that
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>>343985742
I feel like the ending twist is almost completely ruined by having the game be more "cinematic." In "VN Style" it probably would've been really fucking cool.
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>>343984986
>Delta completes the loop to save the world and get himself born without killing anyone (and even saving Maria's life)
>wow what an asshole
>Akane completes the loop for revenge and to save herself by murdering several people
>perfect and pure!
Why is life so unfair?
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>>343985792
Kill yourself my man.
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>>343985792
You're a retard because you play beforehand the games where the huge twist of 999 is just played as a superpower and abused and then dare to say that 999 is objectively the worst
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>>343985742
Both VLR and ZTD would be better if they just stuck with 999's way of doing things, but especially ZTD.

But then the Q twist would be even more of an asspull so they'd have to change that quite a bit.
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>>343985672
The last one I need is in between SHIFT and Incinerator
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>>343985883
>without killing anyone
Leader of a doomsday cult, that's been kidnapping and killing people since 1930.
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>>343985883
Akane is an asshole, but all she did was lock people up and get Ace to kill people. Also endangering people by putting them in the vicinity of Ace and Clover.

It's a bit different from creating actual death traps and murdering people directly. Or releasing Radical-6.
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>>343985672
the quest file is in the toolbox in the incinerator

gotta shove it through the chute and open with the screwdriver
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>>343985958
They appear in the order you grab them so they're unique to everyone.

I'd need a list of the ones you have to help man since I can't MIND HACK
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>>343985883
Because Delta isn't hot.
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999 should have stayed as a standalone game desu. VLR and ZTD was a mistake.
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Which are worse:

>ZTD is a great game with a fitting conclusion to the trilogy and has no major flaws fags
or
>Should I play the third game in a trilogy before the first two fags
question mark
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>>343986201
Bullshit otherwise ??? would be at the bottom.
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>>343986201
>>343985958
I'm retarded and didn't see the sort button.

You're missing Monty Hall 1 and 2 for cinema.

Note Trash Disposal is from the toolbox I think.
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>>343986283
Can't it be a great game with major flaws?
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>>343986229
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>junpeis victory trot
O I am laffin
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>>343986229
>claimed to be pretty smart at her age
>knows a lot of shit kids her age usually wouldn't
>doesn't know how to solve a sudoku puzzle

Life is truly unfair.
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>>343986283
The second as the first one was never actually said by anyone that wasn't falseflagging
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>>343986283
First by a mile. The second group don't feel the need to defend their stance.
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>>343986229
His voice is the hottest thing to come out of all three games.
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>>343986283
>ZTD is a great game with a fitting conclusion to the trilogy and has no major flaws fags
This isn't a thing tho, there's literally no one claiming the game is perfect, only people saying that what we got was acceptable considering the conditions the game was made under.
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>>343985920
It's objectively correct. 999's LE EPIC SHOCKING TWIST is really not that interesting or unexpected, and the plot overall is mediocre and not particularly complex.

VLR ramps up everything 999 did by tenfold and the sheer level of insanity makes it impossible to dislike.

ZTD tries to replicate the VLR formula but is something of a pale copy.
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>>343986434
>there isn't a New Vegas edit of Junpei "winning the lottery"
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Then, what was the point for Free the Soul and all the bullshit surrounding them?
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>>343986283
What flaws are you talking about besides animation and memes like COMPLEX?
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>>343986362
>great game
>major flaws

>>343986479
I wish stupid opinions weren't genuine, too, anon, but unfortunately, that is not how reality works.
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>>343986532
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>>343986574
SO THAT AKANE WOULD GET KIDNAPPED IN THE FIRST PLACE, DO YOU PEOPLE NOT KNOW HOW TO RUB TWO BRAINCELLS TOGETHER? THE FIRST NONARY GAME WAS BACKED BY FTS.
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>>343986432

This sequence was the most retarded fucking thing, even when it was revealed as part of Carlos plan.

Actually I take that back, I can't decide if this scene is worse than all the random scenes where characters go into tangents explaining different paradoxes. Those came off as pretentious and stupid as well.
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>>343986634
>>great game
>>major flaws
Yeah, like MGSV.
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>>343986532
>LE EPIC SHOCKING TWIST

VLR is a more "LE EPIC SHOCKING TWIST" game than 999 ever is. 999's twist was well presented, while VLR just leaves you confused 80% of the game, then drops 5 twists per second at you near the ending. It feels like the game is just doing it for the sake of DUDE TWISTS LMAO.
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>>343986532
The point is that it's not unexpected because it got run into the ground by VLR and ZTD

If one day you wake up, scratch your ass and decide to play 999 you can't actually expect the twist

It's like saying Sigma being old in VLR is not a huge twist because it was not unexpected since you heard him say that in ZTD
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>>343986112
>doomsday cult, that's been kidnapping and killing people since 1930
Was that mentioned in VLR? Haven't played it in a while, but from my memory Free the Soul didn't start being violent until after Radical-6.
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>>343986741
>Actually I take that back, I can't decide if this scene is worse than all the random scenes where characters go into tangents explaining different paradoxes. Those came off as pretentious and stupid as well.

Is this your first Zero Escape?
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>>343986173
Fuck I forgot I skipped that, thanks

>>343986347
Thanks man, cleared Quest sections
For Monty Hall, do I have to fail it or something? Also, what's in between SHIFT and Incinerator?
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>>343986769
The aftermath of literally every escape room in all 3 games has a pretentious paradox dialogue

Bit late to complain
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>>343986915
>For Monty Hall, do I have to fail it or something?
Yes.
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>>343986741
>all the random scenes where characters go into tangents explaining different paradoxes. Those came off as pretentious and stupid as well.
Hey, lemme tell you a story about Ice-9.
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>>343986869

No. I remember it being done in 999 and VLR but not with this sort of frequency. That does not change the fact that it's shitty writing, so you missed the point entirely.
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>>343986532
>ZTD tries to replicate the VLR formula but is something of a pale copy.
I kind of agree, but it was neat to see SHIFT being used more actively than in VLR.
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>>343986832
Well they're basically behind almost all original Nonary Games. They also kidnapped Alice's father for their cloning research and killed him
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Playing the game right now and I'm finding this memory fragment shit stupid. Is there even a point to it?
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>>343986750
And ZTD is Dude, nothing happens LMAO.

Id take Dude Twists Lmao every fucking day.

ZTD is a tedious checkbox simulator where you just tick the boxes and have no fear of consequences because you can just fuck it up and literally send another you from a different timeline to die in your place while you now can steal the other guy's life.
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I just wanted to say that while I enjoyed ZTD a lot, the best part has been sharing the memes with you guys and enjoying the constant shitposting of muh complex motives and 10 months.

I know eventually the traffic for threads will die so I'm enjoying everything I can. Thanks anons.
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>>343986741
HEY ANON DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS PAINTING?

THERE WAS THIS WEIRD EXPERIMENT THEY DID TO TEST MIND POWERS


WEIRD THAT I KNOW THIS STORY HUH?
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>>343986915
Antidote hint.

Fail it.
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>>343987142
/srg/ please leave
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>>343987141
Yeah? What kind of question is that
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>>343987142
I was defending 999, but I do agree VLR is better than ZTD.
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>>343987158
well now the fucking "this game isn't an absolute perfect masterpiece" shitposters are taking over.

I too enjoyed the threads and am happy that ZTD came out and gave me some closure on a series I really loved.
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>>343987158
I agree. Snailposting has become one of the best things about these threads.
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>>343987038
>Not with this sort of frequency
>In 999

Nigga you just don't remember. Every puzzles. Literally every fucking puzzle went the same way Solve 1/2 puzzle until you finally get that piece that makes the rest fall into place -> Talk with someone in the room about Ice-9, Computers, the Gigantic, Theseus Ship or whatever the fuck else-> Do rest of puzzle
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>>343987092
>tfw Carlos was the only character with any sort of agency

I'm still a little dissapointed no one else tried to think outside the box, especially when some of these fucks have been in three goddamn nonary games. More than anything I wish someone had tried to consider if Zero maybe had an ulterior motive, but I guess that sort of reasoning breaks the tension.
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B R A V O U C H I
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>>343987158
don't forget the stream on Friday if you want more real-time shitposting
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>>343987158
I'm happy we even got ZTD, but I'm also really happy that there's a place (right now) where there is actual discussion of the game (besides shitposting).

Felt bad when I finished 999 for the first time and had no one to talk about it with.
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>>343987202
Its true. Knowing the whole map ramifications from the beginning was a mistake. It just becomes a tick the checkbox game.

Doesnt help that everyone acts in selfish and horrible ways every time they shift and they pretend to have some sort of moral dilemma at the ending.
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>>343987326
In 999 the long rants are only in the rooms that lead to the true ending
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>>343987385
How did he fail at the end of his shitfing overdrive madness? I kinda forgot it
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>>343987326

>HEY MAN WANNA KNOW ABOUT RATS AND THE POWER OF THOUGHTS
>DID YOU KNOW THERE ARE 2 TITANICS???
>HOLY SHIT ICE-9 IS GREAT
>LOOK AT ALL THESE COMPUTERS BOY I GOTTA TELL YOU SOME PLOT DEVICES ABOUT COMPUTERS

I know for a fact there are more "theories" that 999 talks about. In fact, almost every puzzle you solve talks about them. It's kind of crazy.
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>>343987506
That's not fucking true at all, the very first split you take (the one which blocks you from the true ending) has the whole painting anecdote, you're full of shit.
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So why didnt Sigma and Diana shifted at the stranded ending?
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>>343987506
The characters also feel like they actually did know what they were talking about, mostly in 999. In ZTD the characters just don't seem... intelligent, even the returning ones.
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>>343987714
Please look forward to the release of Zero Escape 4!
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>>343987659
Dude, the room with the painting is the one where Santa gives you the 4leaf clover and is connected to the true ending
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>>343987714
Technically they could have, just more of an unconscious shift like in much of VLR. Not really any way to know.
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>>343981908
Couldn't agree more. Maybe it's cause of budget and he just rushed things, but I found it disappointing.

999 > VLR > ZTD
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>>343987198
Thanks!
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>>343987158
>the best part has been sharing the memes with you guys and enjoying the constant shitposting of muh complex motives and 10 months
>only just finished the game
Everything I've seen so far is great. I hope there's more.
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>>343987556
>transports 10 months prior to the Decision Game so the transporter has enough energy to be ready for the game
>SHIFTs into the aforementioned body
>waltz out of Zero's base and waits ten months for the game to start so he can still meet Junpei and Akane and bail them out

Hypothetically though, I think any other sort of thought process would create a paradox. Junpei and Akane SHIFT into the Rad-6 timeline because it exists. If Carlos fucks with the Decision Game at all then what happens to Junpei and Akane's shifted consciousnesses?
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>>343987792
>In ZTD the characters just don't seem... intelligent, even the returning ones

Yeah, it really bothered me that the Zeros of the previous games don't seem to have a general idea how things work at all.
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Just got the D-END2 and cried like a baby. Loving this game so much.

Also, it's like Sigma is really the favorite one of the director/writer, he always get the best scenes.
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My favorite aspect of the Zero Escape games is appreciating all the different layers of the plot that had to be slotted together. Like in 999 how they had to plan out the possible pairings of bracelets to go through the doors, and then mixing it up by killing off characters, but then someone stealing their bracelet, and then eventually learning someone's bracelet is actually a different number from what it shows, etc.

Same with VLR - you know they had to map out all the possible outcomes of the AB game, and figure out how many points each participant would have at any given time, and how that would affect their outlook and strategy for the next round, and then they had to take that and wrap it around the actual story progression and plot locks and everything. It ended up incredibly intricate and fun to think about.

ZTD sadly goes back to a much more simplistic diagram, if there even really is one at all. Instead, the game shifts its focus to SHIFTing and time traveling shenanigans, which are still enjoyable to figure out, but not as ultimately satisfying as the tangled web VLR ended up being.
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>>343987824
>Tfw we'll never get something as good as 999

The setting. The characters. The story. The music. Everything was perfect, well except the puzzles. VLR was better in that regard. I didn't like the puzzles in ZTD much.
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>>343988073
>>SHIFTs into the aforementioned body
That's a bit redundant. It is a perfect copy. They're basically the same person, same mind and all.
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>>343988195
Sub ending hit me like a truck the first time.
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>>343988195
The most memorable sound effect for me is the metal creaking noise in the beginning of the game. It really set in the mood for me that I was stuck in a huge sinking ship.
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>>343987824

But, anon, VLR is the best game of the series.
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>>343988073

You can't prevent a timeline from existing, just create new ones. This is why shifting is fucking stupid. There is no way to lose because characters can shift an infinite number of times resulting in that many alternate timelines, among which at least one will ensure that radical-6 is not spread.
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>Enormous build up (entire game just for that) for the moment where Junpei gets the memories from the safe ending to open the coffin

>Reduced to just "let's just shift continuously for whatever reason" by VLR and ZTD

Fuck this
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>>343987795
>>343987506
Unless you're talking about safe + true ending. I know 100% you're wrong because Lotus talks about the remote computer shit in the lab.

Even if you are the only 2 rooms not in that setup are 3 and 2. And in 2 I know Lotus talks to you about her kids and Seven talks about his memories of being in that cell before.
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>>343987795
to get the true ending you need to use the safe in the first path.
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Why doesn't Akane have the boys SHIFT by making them feel threatened, like she did in VLR, rather than having them fucking kill themselves.
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>>343988073
Yeah I remember him rescuing those guys, but why was it bad?
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>>343987714
Your life has to be in immediate danger to shift.
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>>343988280
Well then maybe he didn't shift actually. I didn't really think about that, but i figure Carlos wouldn't just stick around. He probably shot at the nucleus until it started to explode.
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>>343988156
I agree with everything you said. I'm actually disappointed that ZTD doesn't have the same thing you mentioned that was done in 999 and VLR.
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>This thread

Is it really that bad guys? Will I be disappointed as fuck? Can I just know what makes it bad without spoilers?
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>>343988384
I would argue that Lotus talking about her kids and Seven talking about his memories (dialogue that then is copypasted in another route not locked into a bad ending) does not count as "pretentious paradox dialogue"
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>>343988504
PLAY THE GAME
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>>343988504
No, maybe, no, and get out and play the game
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>>343988409
She does that though. Nuclear reactor.
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>>343988504
PLAY
THE
GAME

While not as good as VLR or 999, I think it's still worth a play. It has its moments.
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Was Dio a clone of Delta? It's been a while since I played VLR.
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>>343988532
Even then you're looking at 2/9 rooms not having that dialogue. Both rooms being insta fail rooms regardless of what you've been doing.
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>>343988474
They were upset because he did nothing to stop Zero despite having prior knowledge and 10 months time.
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>>343988504
It's not bad, it's shitposters blowing nitpicks out of proportion as usual.
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>>343988339
That for me too, and the immediate shift into the puzzle room without getting any sort of plot introduction. VLR did it too with Sigma and Phi and it was great. It really got across the sense of urgency that was lacking in ZTD despite the upped gore.
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>>343988195
I loved 999. Honestly one of my favorite DS games.

I made it about 3/4 of the way through VLR before i dropped it. It wasnt bad I just couldnt motivate myself to finish it.
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>>343988504
>Yes
>Yes
>No because plot aspects are one reason why the game was a disappointment
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>>343988156
I thought the fragment system was pretty cool, I switched teams every time I finished one so it didn't feel like I was going down a list and it was fun to piece things together and figure out which timeline I was in
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>>343988660
Clone of his non-blood related brother
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>>343988660
Delta's adoptive borther. Left
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>>343986547
gotcha family

if anyone can post or tell me which cutscene the cleaner shot of Junpei on Ice is I'll fix it.
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So I wonder
If Phi is qt/10, Diana is cute sorta, and Sigma is a hunk with 18-inches, how did Delta look in his early 20s?
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>>343988690
>they're stuck in an elevator
>ESCAPE THE ROOM
>vertigo immediately kicks the fuck in

Good stuff.
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>>343988771
BEST PUZZLE ROOM EVER
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>>343988493
I don't think he knows that it makes copies. I mean, he killed Akane and Junpei that one time he threw Dark Sean against the transporter and didn't even mind.
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>>343988504
>Is it really that bad guys?
Yes. Fuck Uchi.

>Will I be disappointed as fuck?
If you aren't by the end then you're retarded.

>Can I just know what makes it bad without spoilers?
No. Play the game and suffer.
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>>343988374
the mechanic of retaining memories across timelines is the crux of the entire series. 999 built up to it as a singular reveal. VLR took that great idea and built an entire game around it, layering bits of knowledge up into grand complex reveals. ZTD turned it into a dragon ball z powerup where you can kamehameha your consciousness into another universe once your willpower is strong enough or whatever.
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>>343988829
He totally smashed puss withouth needing his powers
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>>343986750
VLR had plenty of foreshadowing for the twists.

You knew Tenmyouji was Junpei when the photo showed up in Director room, that means you knew you were in the future.

You knew 3 pods were used to thaw people out. Phi, Clover and Alice, so the Sigma is old twist should have been obvious too.
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>>343988897
>Dark Sean
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>>343988680
Thats pretty cruel.

I mean, Carlos probably didnt sleep those 10 months with the excitement of thinking about his big entry to rescue his friends. He could have rescued them before or much later, but he timed it exactly to appear just after he disappeared just to make it more exciting to everyone.

Akane is shit.

>>343988684
>nitpicks
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Oh look, a neanderthal is blocking my way.
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>>343984930
I was wondering this too when I saw her do that.
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>>343986462
You missed the whole point of 999

She couldnt see the sudoku on her screen
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>>343988973
You forgot: "You senile old fuck!"
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>>343989037
You can tell Carlos isn't used to insulting people if that's what he came up with after thinking for a solid hour
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>>343988829
Is it implied Sigma has an 18 inch song smewhere? Where does this meme come from?
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I think the only reason they made it more "cinematic" and got rid of the text box was to make the game seem longer.
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>>343989081
Just wait for the last two sliding puzzles, that's the true nightmare
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>>343989081
the only hard part is the sliders for the shotgun, the rest is easy

you can't line up the green lines with the hammer, you have to use the driver thing
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>>343989003
they are nitpicks. Everyone knows the animations are bad and the models are bad. Dropped plotlines are disappointing, but the amount of closure we got was satisfying.
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>>343989081
God i loved this room
Eric having fun with the hammer was funny too
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>>343989159
He said it on Twitter once. I don't have a screenshot of it though. He said something along the lines of "Sigma is 9 inches soft but it doubles when he's hard."
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>Randomly doing Q team fragments
>Who killed Mira?
>Put Q
>Please Put Q's real name

I looked at some of the dailogue in the other Q fragments and realized the twist before I even was halfway through the game.

The fuck Uchikoshi.
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>>343989134
It's a neat insult that flew right over Junpei's head.
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>>343989259
>Closure

in fan fiction-tier text files that I didn't even know existed until I read about it here

anyway I'm not sure even in a better timeline ZTD would have been better. with every installment you had to top all the crazy shit that happened before, causing the series to die under it's own weight

i don't feel bad about preordering it though, shit happens
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>>343989259
Yeah, everyone is complaining about the animations, no complain about the retarded plot or game was ever written on this threads. Lets just focus on the animation. Riiight.


>but the amount of closure we got was satisfying.
Sure....HOWEVER

>When Brother was 16 years old in 1920, Left was found dead, his corpse covered in bruises. The police did a rushed and poor job of investigating, and quickly ruled that Left killed himself.

>Later, Brother found out that the killer paid the police a massive bribe to keep the truth hidden from the public, which made him unable to trust the corrupt police or any type of man-made "authority" after this such as police, law or government. Brother also realized that man-made authority is not synonymous to "truth" since the police did the opposite in regards to hiding Left's murder: hiding the truth.
A mission from God to purify humanity

>Enraged from the revelation of another act of mankind being greedy and self-centered, especially at the loss of his brother Left, Brother soon found himself immersed in cold despair. Anger, hatred, rage and despair filled Brother, and for nine days and nine nights, he was consumed by his own pain, misery and sorrow.

>On the morning of the tenth day, however, he had a divine revelation: Mankind was rife with base, carnal, animalistic, primitive desires, and needed to be purified so that a new world could come into being. Mankind was completely corrupted by greed and Brother was tasked to purify the human race, bringing a higher level of purer consciousness, and to create a new world without corruption. God had spoken to Brother and given him a mission, as well as gave Brother his esper abilities to fulfill this mission and change the world. Brother decided to dedicate his life to fulfill this mission.
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>>343989374
I guess I'm with him because I don't get it either
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>>343989159
Uchikoshi confirmed it on Twitter
Uchi probably didn't know the imperial system very well so he just went ahead and casually said "Oh, he has 9 but can doublt" and then made the "It folds into a [sigma]" to roll with it
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>>343989335
You're either bullshitting or you're one of the few people that didn't think Q's real name was intended for the kid

Most people get the twist when they try to input Sean and get an error
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>>343989259
>we
Stop projecting and stop posting.
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>>343988973
>at some point, Phi mentions that Diana feels like a mother to her (or is motherly, I can't remember)
>a whole little talk about them having the same color hair
I should comb through for more, but it's still there.
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>>343989081
You just gotta get that drill piece at the bottom of section 2. Not line them up yet.
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>>343989476
Uchi is god
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D team force quit box was very predictable.

I knew one was brooch because of Phi and VLR, and then we knew Diana's special item was her music box because of trailers and art.
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I need memes of Zero Escape! Post em!
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>>343989476
>have emotional breakdown with hot older guy
>take him back to your input pod because feelings are hot
>he takes it out and it looks like this

what do
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>>343981908
the game was overpriced but i didnt feel betrayed by uchi
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>>343984930
God damn this art style is so much better than ZTD
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>>343989574
X-passes have some hints too related to that
Diana has Mom, Blue
Phi has Twin, Red
Sigma has Dad, Milk wait what

That's lewd
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>>343989684
PUSH IT!
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>>343989224
I hate that they went that route considering their budget. Don't know what they were thinking. Should have just followed a VN format. It's so much better and you can explain more. Plus still-images with some sudden sound effect have more of an impact when showing deaths. The death scenes in ZTD were hilarious and they shouldn't be. I was literally smiling when Carlos killed Akane with the Axe. The models looked ok but those animations were pure dogshit.
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>>343984930
Superior greek alphabet genes
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>tfw you get the perceptive ending before the Q reveal and think that Delta is Kyle/?
If only it was true
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>>343989723
>Diana has Mom, Blue
don't forget Bird
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>>343989698
the fuck is wrong with you VLR has one of the ugliest artstyles i've ever seen in any medium

ZTD is pretty ugly too but not even close
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>>343989876
Bird is not really a hint on how she's Phi's mother tho, like some of the others
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>>343989891
Smug Dianna makes me angry.
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>>343989778
The biggest impact any video game death ever had on me was not only a VN, but it was a section with a black screen and only dialogue and audio in the first Corpse Party.

You know the one I'm talking about.
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>>343988504
why would you play 999 and vlr and not play ztd? if you haven't played any of them why would you play ztd first
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>>343989698
If there's one thing i hate about VLR is that pongo art style
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>>343989335
I found out because I thought Q might be Delta, so on the mexican stand-off I put in Delta, then it killed "me" and Eric called Q Sean for some reason.
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>>343989531
"Like he old mn itting in the chair"

Coincide said that they did not know who Q was but there were 9 of them and Carlos recognizes Zero before passing out.
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>>343989891
She literally cant stop thinking about cocks
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>>343990035
Shovel?
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>>343989891
You're retarded
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>>343990120
I feel like it would have been better if Eric did not say Sean and Delta didn't talk before dying

For maximum confusion
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>Akane starting up a bomb to get ready to SHIFT
>"Won't other "us" die though?"
>"lol yeah" - Akane
>C Team starts SHIFTing like crazy
>Carlos goes maximum overSHIFT across many histories
>final life saving SHIFT to end the game
>WAIT GUYS IF WE SHIFT OUR POOR OTHER SELVES WILL DIE!
Now we fucking care? Fucking C team was straight up murdering their selves over and over. Especially Carlos. I don't know why Akane all of a sudden gave a fuck either.

Whatever fucking happened to saving the VLR cast from the shitty future? Akane promised them she would save them with Shroniggers cat or some shit.
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>>343982134
I wasn't fine with any of the lazy as fuck animation this game sucks
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>>343990542
That's because they were going to die anyway for the most part.

CQD-1 versions were on their merry way home after the coin toss.
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>>343990542
The dilemma was shifting specifically on people that did nothing but win a coin toss i guess

I'm more annoyed that the "don't shift" ending is just a game over instead of a more satisfying ending for the people that actually felt bad about stealing the life of innocent people
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>>343989891
>>343990102
I even hate VLR art style but not as much as ZTD. Phi and Diana especially look like shit.
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>>343990542
>>"lol yeah" - Akane
That Akane ends up in the VLR end, so it makes sense that's she gone off the deep end.
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>>343990660
The animation is the last of its issues. The game is shit but not because of budget animations.

Stop feeding the other faggot's narrative about people only about animation.
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>>343990542
I feel like they needed to add one final moral dilemma to end the game with. Since there was no final puzzle I guess that's the replacement. I think it's a cool moral dilemma it just has no business being at that point in the story.
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Akane and Delta are ultmate edge masters.
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>>343990852
If they added a final puzzle it would just be another one of >>343984081 those.
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I have a problem with D-Team opening up the HF shower and breathing in fumes. That shit would kill you regardless, because HF is not only highly corrosive but it also attacks your bones, neurons, and muscle cells. A single drop of decently concentrated stuff can kill you easily.
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>>343990542
Honestly i'm not sold at all on the fact that when you shift you're supposed to literally switch places with who you shifted on

Akane is so sure of it that when she explains it she doesn't even mentions the possibility that you don't swap, but you just kick the consciousness out into another history not necessarily the one you are from

Akane is a retard, but i guess we are supposed to believe this is true since otherwise the final dilemma is not that heavy
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>>343990976
I would laugh until death finally took me.
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Should I play it on 3DS or PC? I can pirate on both.
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>>343991095
PC is the superior port for obvious reasons
If that is not enough for you, lots of people on 3DS have trouble with puzzles because it's so hard to click and see shit on it
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Uchikoshi had 4 years to think about the story and he botched it.
Fuck him. He even went and ruined VLR with all the loose ends and retcons in ZTD.
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Akane didn't let Junepei go with her because she wanted him to mee to Quark right?

Not just 'muh plan' right?
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>>343991274
Suuure...it was for Quark first and foremost
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>>343991095
The better choice: don't pirate it
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>>343991443
>giving money to this game after that fucking ending

I'm glad I pirated it.
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>>343991443
I can't buy the watch at MSRP anymore and I only really bother to buy games with physical bonuses
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>>343991034

Like lots of things such as alien teleporters that need 10 months to recharge (but less when a robot explodes near one), this moral dilemma is simply brushed on and not really explored in depth in the plot.

In VLR though, I vaguely remember Akane mentioning that Kyle was 'sleeping' while ? possessed/shifted into his body. I guess it's just something that we have to accept at face value
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Was the beginning coin flip a 50/50 chance, roughly?
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>>343991714
it's rigged to get it right no matter what, then you get it wrong when you try again
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>>343991714
No, it's rigged to make you win the first time and lose the second
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>>343991837
Technically it's only rigged to make you lose the first time, and the colors are set from there.
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>>343985086
>fuck danganronpa, that game is so mediocre
It totally is, but the 2nd game is genuinely good. If the 3rd manages to top it again then we could have a genuinely great VN series on our hands.
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>>343991964
How do I into danganronpa?

I have both a vita and a pc. But there are too many versions of each. In which order and which version/remaster/remake should I play?

How long are those games?
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>>343991962
I thought it was always Red, since I picked Red first after being told to and won, then picked Blue later and lost
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>>343991964
>2nd game is genuinely good
the only thing better in the 2nd game is the cast and music.
The story and finale are even fucking worse.
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>>343992093
Just play the PC versions.
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What did you pick anons?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10677715
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>>343989086
Shit, you're right. Even though I've only played it recently, I've already began to forget some bits about it.
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>>343992093
You can play Vita if you want to play it portable but otherwise might as well play PC.
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>>343989891
ZTD is only ugly because Diana is in it.
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I kinda miss when Sigma used to dress up like my Highschool Janitor.
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>>343992186
In which order? There are many
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>>343992391
The only ones that matter are
Danganronpa - Trigger Happy Havoc
then Super Danganronpa 2
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>>343990224
How is Luna so perfect if Diana is so shit?
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>>343992214
So what's this?
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>>343992473
She's a robot and was created to be perfect.
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>>343986750
Fucking this

ZTD is not a good game, but the vast majority of the flaws with ZE as a series originate with VLR and its abandonment of the principles laid out by 999.

Shifting was a mistake.
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>>343992391
>There are many
There are only three games, two main games (which are numbered) and a spinoff
What's the complication?
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>>343992541
Jumping through timelines was a fine concept in VLR.

It was ZTD that overdid it with the whole SHIFT shit "loloz we cheat death"
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>>343992156
>The story and finale are even fucking worse
I agree, but the music is genuinely great, the cast is fun, and the cases are actually difficult; 4 is a ton of fun and 5 is just so brilliant in it's execution. The cast is really what makes those games though, and it's comfy as fuck listening to the soundtrack and hanging with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-fMDaPFXME

Yeah, it's not as good as 999 or VLR, but it doesn't have to be, and I appreciate the games for what they are.
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Apparently the only people left posting in these threads are the people who hate the game
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>>343992618
What's the difference between shifting in VLR and ZTD?
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>>343992618
VLR started the whole abusing super power shit and i hate it for that

I also hate it for the ending with Akane literally telling you to buy the third game was on par with ME3 "buy the dlcs" thing
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>when you finally get it
baking
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>>343992541
No. It was fucking fine in VLR since it needed a special training and preparation. And even then it also needed special people with esper innate abilities. They prepared for that training exercise for literally 45 years.

It was one in a lifetime thing. The last chance humankind had.

In ZTD is literally free for all. No training, no nothing. Even people without esper abilities could shift. That ruined it.
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>>343992728
Was I too late to talk to people who liked it?
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>>343992756
That Sigma and Phi didn't go "HEY SIGMA, LET'S KILL OURSELVES AND JUMP TO ANOTHER HISTORY! NOW!"
Mind jumping happened only on special occasions and the danger of death was still present.
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>>343992756
In VLR shifting meant retaining memories from other time lines. In ZTD shifting means jumping to your body in the other time lines.
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>>343992797
>It's bad for the second entry in a trilogy to have a sequel hook
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What timeline is this?
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>>343992825
The nod is funny, but i hope that Akane meant normal baking since i don't want to think that somehow she retained the memories and the feeling of being burned alive and was making a joke on it
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>>343992890
>In VLR shifting meant retaining memories from other time lines.
That's what it was most of the time, but once they understood it they did it at will, that's how they saved Akane in the end.
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>>343992953
Doesn't she acknowledge that in 999, though?
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>>343992953
I doubt she was making a joke about it but she definitely has those memories.
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>>343992915
The presence of a hook is not bad,

Is the fact that Akane is not subtle for shit about it and straight up tells you "i need you to buy the damn game, you want to know what happens don't you?"
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>>343989876
Come to think of it, the cover art shows Diana having the blue bird too.
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>all these ZTDfags dickriding uchi replying to the top comments

When will people admit that ZTD is the worst game in the series?
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>>343992797
I think it's the logical follow up to VLR's jumping antics.

It got a bit cheesy with "everyone can jump now". It should've been limited to Sigma, Phi, Carlos, and Eric/Mira, (who goes apeshit for some reason and starts hunting you through timelines).

Old Sigma also wasn't really as down to business as I thought he would be. He shows quite a bit of empathy when I thought he would be far more willing to ditch a timeline when it goes sour for him. Sigma also mentions his SHIFT connection being cut, but it's never brought up again. What was with that?
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So I just finished the game and what now? is Mira just going to walk away scott free?
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>>343993073
>>343993101
The memories, sure, that is normal i guess

I'm more worried about if the actual sensation of being burned alive remained in her brain
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>>343992756
>VLR
>wake up again in another timeline, but only vaguely remember things from bad ends
>can't freely SHIFT anywhere they wanted

>ZTD
>oh fuck we're gonna die
>dude just SHIFT lol see you on the other side ;)
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>>343993247
there's some dumb extra files you can see if you go back into any part where she suddenly grows feelings and turns herself in for some fucking reason only to have Sean break her out of jail so they can shift back in time and stop her from killing people
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>>343993247
Read the fanfictions that opened up in the file section
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>>343993201
>first few seconds in and the person is already talking like a retard because haha so quirky and funny

Fuck youtube.
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I thought 999 was just telepathy across time and none of that shifting faggotry.

Why did he retcon it?
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>>343992890
This

Up until the SHIFT shenanigans in ZTD i thought Phi/Sigma's 'power' was that every time they failed/died their experience was basically uploaded to the morphogenetic field could then be accessed and downloaded with other Sigma's and Phi's.

Same with Junpei and Akane

Actually can someone explain how VLR even fucking works now that SHIFTing is understood to be taking control of another timeline's body?

I thought VLR's plot worked because Sigma and Phi could access all the information from every single failed end at once, how does that work if the failed/dying Sigma's are jumping back, shouldn't they only have access to one timeline's worth of memories?
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>>343992849
I just finished it and I liked it a lot. I only wished they foreshadowed mind hacking earlier or in VLR. Also the alien tech was a weird anomaly. But overall I very much enjoyed it.
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>>343993247
How do you walk away free of "scott". It's called a scoff.
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>>343993434
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>>343993434
My sides
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>>343993434
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>>343991034
You can blame VLR for that one

if they don't switch Sigma would not have ended up in his old man body
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>>343993201
>a one off video of a story based game
>hasn't played the other games

What's the point of shit like this
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>>343982191
Its fine for me but I do feel like I wanted more to the ending. I dont know if this is just me getting used to 999 games. I remember wgen I furst played 999, the ending where they really arent in a sinking ship shocked me. In this game, shit were kind of too obvious, I guess with the exception of the alien transporter machine what the heck was that lel. Animation-wise, starting the game, I thought "wow this looks worse than RWBY", but I guess I just got used to it. The puzzles are fine albeit some were too easy.
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>>343993434
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>>343985347
That's how a lot of mysteries are written.
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>>343993629
Huh, somehow i didn't make the connection with Sigma's blatant example

I guess that's just how it is then
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>>343993370
>>343993384
Woops my bad!
I searched for new cinemas to show after the credits instead of the files. My bad!
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>>343993638
>haha wtf I finished the game 5 minutes in
>dude wtf is wrong with their faces
>LOL why is there a boy with a big round helmet
>I don't know what the fuck is going on lmao
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>>343993917
>Remember to like, favorite and subscribe

God it's like i'm actually hearing it
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>>343992618
>>343992836
Putting aside my subjective hatred for the idea of shifting as an invocable superpower as opposed to 999's much more subdued morphogenic field, the idea of switching consciousness is retarded and doesn't hold up to more than a cursory inspection. It's objectively shitting on the idea of the field presented by the first game.

Also >>343992797
Fuck sequel bait
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>we're gonna shape the future with our own hands!
>now that's an idea I can get behind, Carlos
>the future is doomed? Screw that!
>you're right! Nothing has been determined yet

>mfw
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>>343989086
Wait you son of a bitch, I was right. She didn't know how to play sudoku, which is why she tapped into the morphogenetic field.
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>>343993415
One is a natural extension of the other... until you include the swapping faggotry.

If they didn't swap, you could think of it as uploading your entire consciousness to the morphogenic field.
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>>343994152
It's just like my Mexican shounens.
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>>343994223
Honestly i totally get her

First time i played it i also tapped into the morphogenetic field of msn and made a friend do it for me
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>>343994152
for years i've been shitting on DR while whiteknighting ZE

after that scene i tore down all my uchikoshi posters and started seeding punchline torrents
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>>343994353
Good times.
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>>343994152
At that point i was just glad Akane didn't end up as the usual party pooper going "god abandoned us guys" on everyone
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>>343993850
You mean that's how it is in that one instance only and nowhere else before that

This is why VLR has gotten worse to me over time, it sets such a bad precedent.
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>>343994152
Was there any other way to end the game, though? Any end with a hint of badness would be shifted out of and wouldn't fit into Delta's complex motives. Power of friendship was the only way and I liked it.
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>>343994440
Fucking Akane, seriously.

>get 1/216 chance
>Junpei gets happy as fuck, for the first time
>LOL WE ONLY GOT IT BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCES, IT'S NOT REALLY A MIRACLE BLAH BLAH MULTIVERSE THEORIES STOP ACTING LIKE A FAG JUNPEI IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL

fuck her
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>>343994734
>This is why those middle schoolers killed your rabbits Akane
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>tfw just realized crash keys is some word play for kurashikis

Am I retarded for not knowing this sooner?
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>>343994734
Holy fuck that part got me good. What a fucking party pooper.
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So...ZTD's major message...work together to stop terrorism?
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>>343990224

what the fuck is this slut even doing?
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Okay okay. Last question. Ive just finisged the game, read the several post-payoffs in the end file including sean, mira and eric's, and how come phi doesn't have any? Do you have Phi's on your files?
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>>343994734
It's even worsened by the fact that she's right and they then get kicked out of that miracle to just die because of the team C that's shifting all over the place
Specifically in the end where they lost the with the dices i think
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>>343994986
Oh. Nevermind. She got the LAMEST one.
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>>343994734
What a dumb bitch. I don't get what Junpei sees in that 2-faced slut.
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>>343994932
T R U M P
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2 0 1 6
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>>343994986
Team D does not get an epilogue
You just have to make your headcanon about their happy family time

And how Sigma and Diana are gonna make more babbies and call one of them Kevin
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What happens if two people try to shift into the same timeline?
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>>343995104
Shes also Uchi's favorite character for some reasons
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>>343995114
>emotional

I thought the main thing about Mira was that she had no emotions
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>>343995187
logically, any shift should create a divergent timeline

the fact that this behavior is not consistent is part of what makes shifting dumb
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>>343995269
I wish they kept only the "download other histories memories" part and made the shifting something exclusive to Sigma and Phi
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How long does it usually take for uchi to do those Q&A's for the zero escape games? I can't wait to see the damage control.
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>>343995406
Yeah, I thought Sigma and Phi's abilities were going to be integral to stopping Radical-6, instead of an entire group of SHIFTers.
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>>343995269
>the fact that this behavior is not consistent
How is it inconsistent?
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>>343995256
She sure as shit ain't logical, but she is brash and impulsive.
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>>343995436
It'll just be questions about shit that isn't too important, like "What was Akane doing during the timeline Phi was born?"
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>>343995527
I wonder if the game would have been better with the original plan of Sigma being the only main pov
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>>343995436
>implying fans wont praise him like always
>implying shit wont be filtered
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>>343995406
10000% agreed

>>343995603
If you just create a new timeline then how does switching with your existing self have any meaning. And why can't you just shift to the same point in time over and over again? The original timeline still exist, and all you're doing is creating another divergent branch. There's other shit like that too. It's just little stuff that adds up to a narrative failure.
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>Call the plice on Delta
>Not Mira

Well I guess only Q and Eric Know (and Eric forgave her?)

Seriously, though she is a fucking psychopath she won't fucking fight terrorism.

Also, What hapened to Carlos in VLR.
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>>343995816
I'm pretty sure he's dead in the timeline leading to VLR
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>>343995708
There's a reason why only the West buys his games.

Japan already has tons of sci-fi VNs that are better so they don't find ZE to be anything special.
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>>343993397
For a minute there I thought DSP got a hold of the game.
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>>343995816
Mira goes into jail eventually

But then Sean comes up with a contrived plan instead of just making her spend time in there
Just leave her in jail main, don't make things more complex

>>343995896
He's not dead, he teleported in that timeline and he's the only reason Junpei and Akane are alive for VLR to happen

As to was he was doing, probably fucked off after Akane went all ungrateful bitch on him
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>>343995896
He saved Akana and Junpei in his firefighter clothes in the VLR timeline. All I can think is that he killed himself after going through that SHIFT adventure only to end up in a shitty timeline, and Akane and Junpei shitting on him for it.
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>>343982191

The fact that Hydrogen Fluoride is used as a plot device.

>HYDROFLORIC ACID?!
>Yes, it's so powerful that it melts even glass and iron

Then how did you get it in the shower pipes?
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>>343995791
>If you just create a new timeline then how does switching with your existing self have any meaning.
This is a non-complaint.

>And why can't you just shift to the same point in time over and over again?
You probably can, but you just make an identical reality like you said.
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>>343996179
Hydrofloric acid can't melt steel pipes
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>>343996116
>Mira goes into jail eventually
Does she at least kill Eric beforehand?
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>>343996179
DIAMOND pipes
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>>343996179
that's like asking how scientists get it inside beakers
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>>343996284
No, she has a change of heart and marries him in jail
We never get to know if Eric, Mira or anyone else realize the woman she killed was Eric's mother and if Eric would forgive her even for that
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Re-watching Coincide--

Zero stands in front of them in the flesh. Without some bullshit he can't also be in the wheelchair with team Q. Wouldn't they notice he was missing at the same time that Sean showed up and the game started?
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>>343996324
They don't. That's the point of how powerful that stuff is. It's actually incredibly hard to find in real life because once its made, they have a massively difficult time containing it.
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>>343996424
Carlos notices and is about to say it just as he falls asleep
Then they get memory wiped
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>>343996424
Sean bots
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>>343985408
Duh. Because they switched artists. It doesn't resemble 999 art anymore.
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>>343994152
That scene seriously clashed with everything Uchi has ever written. I wonder what the hell happened.
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>>343996538
Shit, you're right. Huh.
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>>343995896
He's not.

He's the reason for Akane and Jupei in VLR.


Also, I'm sure Akane was on Delta's side....the robe is the key at least for why she was wearing it in VLR...not so sure why it was in 999.
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>>343996526
explain this then, nerd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oipksRhISfM
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>>343982191
Eric being irredeemably annoying (and not even a like-to-hate character like Dio)

Junpei being an unrecognizable edgelord and Akane still loves him even though at every point in the game he tries to get the other teams killed and generally opposes her in any argument.

Sigma not acting nearly callous or knowledgeable as he should be having already experienced a Decision game and being 67 years old.

All of the returning cast in general not taking Zero/the game seriously or trying to bargain with Zero when they should fucking know from experience how this works.

Unending camera shots of Gab
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>>343996638
He wrote like a third of the game so it's pretty apparent what happened
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>>343996731
>Unending camera shots of Gab

This is good and not bad at all.
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>>343996638
He mostly wrote D team, which is why Junpei and Akane are so fucking bizarre in the game.
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What's even the point of completing some of the puzzle rooms if the reward for it is just a decision game where they are probably gonna die?

In 90 minutes they are gonna fall asleep even if they don't touch anything, so why bother completing the room only to get a life threatening game

If they didn't get to finish the room in time, what would happen? Would a Sean just reset the room for them to try again or just say whatever and put them in the next
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In one timeline, Delta killed Eric, Sean and Sigma, and left Diana alive and called her mom. Why did he also kill Sigma? I mean its his dad. Does he give no fuck about Sigma?
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1904 Phi must have been a good mother to 2008 PHi, right?
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>>343997326
Sigma's kind of a shit dad, in case you hadn't noticed.
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>>343997326
He can't rape his mother if his hunk of a dad is alive
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>>343997164
There's the chance that they could come out of it alive. Besides, they don't know it'll be a trap before they've been through each room.
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>>343997326
At that point they were worried more about getting the game out on time than how much sense Delta was making
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>>343997326
Oedipus c o m p l e x
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>>343997164
>What's even the point of completing some of the puzzle rooms if the reward for it is just a decision game where they are probably gonna die?
Their memories are wiped, how do they know a decision game will happen? Also, people naturally like to solve problems and don't like being confined to a space. And a few puzzles had a sense of urgency in them (Incinerator, C team getting infected).
>>343997326
Probably killed her next, personally. Delta is sort of a meanie.
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>>343997398
Probably not as the only reason we can think that Phi adopted her baby self is because it would be cool or something

For all we know old Phi was just a researcher in that facility and put her baby self in the care of some other guys since she was already too old
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The robes in 999 have not been explained.
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>>343997586
>probably killed her next
God that is horrifying. Imagine being a vulnerable woman getting left behind with the one person responsible for all these.
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>>343997164
>In 90 minutes they are gonna fall asleep even if they don't touch anything
and probably wake up in the exact same place since if they don't make decisions Delta has no reason to move them anywhere
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>>343996109
Nah, people give DSP a lot of shit but he does some things differently. He might suck at games but I think he doesn't act like an idiot trying too hard to be funny.
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>>343997675
They have been explained

The robe was lord Gordain's
The robe is a FTS robe

If you can't make 2+2 it's your fault
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>>343997586
Dude mind hacked his mom into picking the wrong team, then later makes her stay in the shelter and is like "HAHA THAT WAS SUPER CLEVER WHEN YOU PRETENDED TO BE POSSESSED" when he was doing it all along.
What a jerk.
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I should have pirated thi game.

Why did everyone give this game a god reviews?
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>>343989330

>This is an all ages panel.

The perfect question to end the Q&A session.
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Can someone explain to me what Gab was supposed to be in all of this?
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>>343989684
>hot older guy
Betray because you're clearly worst girl, Alice.
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>>343997783
Okay so Delta is lord Gordain.

Game is still shit.
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>>343998050
Cute.
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>>343987158
>implying the faggits here wont buy Uchi's next game (if he ever makes one)
We'll see each other again. Hopefully in a better timeline.
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>>343997992
Because it's a good game, you're just being picky
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>>343998050
antidote and message deliverer

if all the wards are the same then where is Gab going when he travels through the vent?
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>>343998096

No man, it's just that lord Gordain was a fts member
In fact the whole nonary game was backed up by fts
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>>343992541
I always thought the shifting in VLR was just that different timelines accessing the morphogenic field.
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>>343996179
>>343996526
According to Mythbusters and some other science videos I saw, HF acid doesn't instantaneously melt flesh in minutes.
And I think that scene from the D-Team ending was worst because they shouldn't be inhaling that shit.
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>>343998145
It's answered in one of the cinema notes.

A little room with a rug.
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>>343998145
It's just a dead end with a little rug for him to chill until the next team is active
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>>343998145
He never went anywhere, it's explained that in the vent there's just a comfy room for him where he rests and then conveniently gets out when he's supposed to
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999 Akane will always be my canon Akane.
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>>343997121
Hm, I notice that there were three writers listed in the credits. Did they split responsibilities or something?
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>>343997831
Are we even sure he mind hacked her?
I mean sure, we know he can, but can he do it remotely?

In the end where he accuses Diana of pretending to have multiple personalities i like to think it wasn't actually him pushing the shower button
If she was indeed possessed, that whole recording on accusing her is kinda dicky of him
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>>343998392

Uchikochi wrote main story and all of D-team dialogue.

Writer 2 did C-team dialogue.
Writer 3 did Q-team dialogue.

Not unusual he had assistants on the writing in 999 & VLR too.
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I just finished a minute ago.

Is that seriously it? I thought I had at least two more hours to go. That's the shit they're going to end this entire fucking series on?

And what the fuck is up with the epilogues? They didn't even give one to D team, who are basically the only reason this game even exists.

How did this get fucked up so badly? This whole game feels like scraps that got left on the cutting room floor from VLR.
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>>343998392
Just like the co-writer in MGS 1 / 2 / 3. The moment the guy left, MGS turned to shit starting 4.
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>>343998392
In VNs, different writers for different routes is normal

This usually ends up with opinion wars on why some routes are better because they are written by a certain writer while others seems stupid because that other writer is a hack
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>>343998518

And why the fuck are Eric and Mira even in this game? Why are they still in love in the epilogue? When the fuck was this character development supposed to have happened?

Why are Junpei and Akane fucking awful now?

What the fuck happened to the fucking writing in this game? It's so fucking bad outside of D team. And even the dialogue within D team was pretty spotty at times.
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>>343989723
I thought the Milk is Phi... because her boobs are D-cups. Blue is Sigma. Red is Diana.
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>>343998515
Who wrote the dialogue is the puzzle rooms?

The shift in tone between cinematic and puzzle room dialogue really bothered me. Humor was well done in the puzzle rooms, but in the cinematic it was awkward and stiff.
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>>343998050

Dog spelled backwards is God.

Gab spelled backwards is Bag.

He is the God Bag.
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>>343998853
>but in the cinematic it was awkward and stiff
Just like the animations.
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>>343998848
It does make more sense actually
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>>343998920
Now i'm suddendly wondering if Akane's "God abandoned us" fits in with that
But i don't remember what Gab ended up doing in that timeline
Probably it's nothing
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>>343998817
My main beef with D team writing was how Sigma was spouting stuff that he had experienced in the future in another timeline, particularly the stuff he tells to Diana.

That ain't creepy at all, nope.
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>>343999072
Gab didn't want anything to do with Carlos' Bizarre Adventure.
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Are there any games more or less similar to Zero Escape's premise? I only know Danganronpa and Ever 17.
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>>343999183

Well he loved her for over 45 years and she died 42 years ago from his perspective. Then he spent 25 years to build a robot like her.
He was clearly troubled meeting her again.
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>>343999314
Steins;Gate
Ghost Trick
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>>343999314
there's weebshit on the 3DS called Parascientific Escape
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>>343998934
Blue is for blue bird, red is for red hair, milk is Klim backwards, a reference to Luna's password in VLR.

Poor Luna got daughterzoned. I wonder if old Sigma will rebuilt her in the true timeline. He did love her as a daughter after all and one of the regrets he said in one of his deaths is that he would not be able to build Luna, Kyle and Lagomorph.
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>>343999314

Not a mystery game but there is an action rpg that came out this year named Stories : Path of destinies

It's a short game that can be beaten in an hour but has 24 endings, most of them are bad ends and you have to gather clues in several timelines in order to get the good ending.
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>>343996179
Yo. Isnt there a Breaking Bad episode that says you can melt flesh and shit with Hydroflouric acid HOWEVER there is a kind of plastic that is completely fine with it. So, its not like you see in hollywood movies where Bateman dropped the body in a bathtub and poured hydroflpuric acid. It should be put in a container using that sort of plastic or else your bathtub as well as the tiles and wood underneath it will give in.
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>>343999510

You know in the VLR timeline Akane has the transporter and plans to send Alice & Clover back to the good timeline (as she mentions in VLR).

So she can wait 10 more months and send Kyle, Luna & Lagomorph uploaded on a laptop back.
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>>343999464

Ghost Trick is a linear game though. Technically speaking, not similar to Zero Escape's multi-path design at all.

Still absolutely worth playing.
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>>343984274
sad part is that danganronpa had a better ending than ZTD
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>>343999359
Yeah, he certainly would have a skewed perspective on things in a situation like that. However, Diana just eats it up a little too easily, even before the moment when Sigma explains her background story right in front of her.

The execution was so awkward that I couldn't think of the two as actual human beings.
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Did anyone else feel a truck on the face with the reveal of how the teams are actually several hours apart

Specifically, during the game i asked myself a lot why the earliest time they wake up was 18:00 (with the obligatory "we probably were awake a bunch of times already but we don't remember")
Then we discover it's actually really 18:00 just for the C team and no one actually wakes up at all in those 5 hours

Then again for the shower rooms, there was never a rush in pushing the button because only a team was awake at once
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>>343999314
If you're looking for mystery puzzle games, Prof. Layton, AA, and Hotel Dusk are all excellent. I also enjoyed Trace Memory but I don't hear it talked about much.
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>>343995114
>Sigma went from Positive/liberal to negative/Conservative
I'm not sure if I'd call him either logical or emotional, but he sure changed a lot
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>>343999738
>Diana just eats it up a little too easily
To be fair, this is Diana "I'm submissive against an abusive boyfriend" Luna. But she should've been more outraged, yeah.
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>>343999314
there a hentai game i forget whats it called but it breaks the 4th wall when you try to load a save state out against a yandere character
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>>343987386
Huh, it says Q but it shows Sean, what a silly mistake.
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>>343999869
I think gullible would describe her better than submissive.
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>>343999943
https://vndb.org/v7738
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>>344000178
>translation
>NEVER EVER

why live?
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>>343999824
None of the tweests this time fazed me.

The only wtf moment are the alien shit.
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>>344000316

Clover pointed out there were metroids in VLR but Sigma kept saying they were jellyfish.
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>>343985825
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I ccant remember, how did door Q work?
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>>344000674
fuck this VN. reading through 3/4 of that was a hell of a boring ride.

if someone told me it gets good 12 hours in, I would have dropped this VN HARD
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>>344000906
Do you mean the 999 one?

If that's the case it was that the Q meant a 26 which meant a digital root of 8, and the bracelets of everyone alive made up that number
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>>344001048
But it does :^)
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I think I'm severely lost but can someone explain to me the timeline of Phi's jumps?
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>>344001248
Not the anon but I am impressed with your memory
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>>344001785
Well i replayed it last year before playing VLR so it would be cheating if not for the fact that the Q door was such a huge twist for me that it indeed remained
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>>344001434
There's no real distinct timeline for her or Sigma like there is for C team. She just knows what she knows.
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