opinion on the whole gambling situation going on at Valve? Personally I think it's disgusting
please respond
>>343787774
Someone should sue valve. They've been doing shady stuff for too long
>>343787774
Only retards and kids "gamble" on it. Don't really care.
No "SJWs" are involved so /v/ doesn't care, despite it being actual corruption in the industry, and even illegal on top of that.
>>343787774
you literally only care because le coughing jew man told you to care about it.
fucking neck yourself.
If other people want to be retarded with their money it's not my problem
>>343787774
very obviously, this is nothing to do with valve and entirely to do with the other, unafilliated websites involved, just in case anybody takes OP's awful shitpost at face value.
>>343790173
>>343787774
Exactly. It's like blaming microsoft because someone uses windows to hack.
it was set up like a slot machine from the start
at least this might force valve to release something to get the attention away from it
>>343789920
sometimes a jew isn't wrong
>>343787774
>tfw use these shitty gambling sites
>tfw inventory worth a few thousand
Fuck what anybody says I can cash this shit out on a 3rd party site and buy a used car with my inventory
>>343787774
If enough people care it could fuck them out of microtransactions and then they would have to make a game
Maybe now we'll get actual content updates that aren't Spin To Win crates, asinine operations and a revolver that was bullshit for a day (and now so useless you get votekicked just for buying it.)
I think fan duel was a much more fucked up situation considering how many celebrities were endorsing it and how popular it got through adds. Fan duel was straight up illegal Gambling, money for money with known higher ups even participating And making hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not some 12 year with 12 cents trying to get a slightly less stupid looking skin. Or some immoral Chad bros on YouTube. I thought Ethan's video was hilarious tho basically just fucked those guys' hardwork completely but fuck those Chad bros.
>>343790521
you're right. but this particular faggot isn't. he's a pandering piece of shit who'd sell his own wife to get another few hundred thousand subscribers. he already turned his back on the people who got him to where he is today.
>>343787774
Only especially shitty game design that is more concerned with micro-transactions than fun can enable this sort of crap.
I used to worry about the Microsoft Store locking Steam out and Microsoft having a monopoly but after seeing what Valve likes to do when they have control of the market I'm not sure Microsoft taking over would be any worse. It might even be better. Fuck Valve.
>>343787774
What's going on? I seem to be out of the loop.
>>343791303
If you can't consistently see through Ethan's constant bullshit and unfair framing you're probably at least 12 years old. But if you actually care about him bullshitting a little bit to make a funny video you need to chill on how serious you view YouTube
G2A still gets endorsement even if they knowingly sell stolen shit
>>343792502
How do people even manage to get game codes stolen? I mean, you buy the game, get the code, use the code and you're done.
>>343792367
>Stupid people gambling using CS:GO items worth thousnads.
>Youtubers make a gambling site and scam people into betting said CS:GO items
>People whining "THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN" and want to blame valve on top of the actual dumbfucks making those gambling sites.
Valve is moneygrubbing, but they don't need to mess with gambling and this shit, they already set up a 7 to 15 days time for the steam market transactions to go throigh and parents shouldn't let their kids use their credit cards and play CS:GO anyways.
>>343792367
Youtube clowns marketed a gambling website to their 20 million or so combined subscribers pretending to make mad cash on the website they shilled.
Only they never told anyone that they are the founders and owners of the business that runs the gambling website and rigged all their videos.
Somehow this is Valve's fault because they let you use Steam's API to create a login for your website.
>>343792454
This shit's been building for like a week now. Syndicate and Tmartin were constantly coming up after people found out they owned CSGO Lotto.
Ethan was just a big YouTuber who shined light on it, since Scarce believed everything they said.
>>343792454
the thing is tho he only started doing that bullshit when he went to new york and started leeching off of jontron and filthy frank's cancerous reddit userbases. he's flat out not funny anymore. he just has to take a sound byte and repeat it over and over and over until his subreddit makes it into a meme. before he moved to new york and made his subreddit he actually made creative and clever content.now it's just
>ANOTHER ONE
>I WON'T LIE, THIS IS ME WHEN _________ (cant believe hes STILL harping on this one)
>SLAMMIN
>IM ETHAN BRADBERRY!
It's just inane garbage repeated ad nauseam so his reddit army spreads it for him.
>Someone brings attention to a fucked up issue that needs to be fixed
>People shit on it
I don't get it.
You don't have to like the person but what is wrong with agreeing with their opinion if they are right?
>>343792762
>>343792880
I see. Valve is shit these days, it's true, but if they don't have anything to really do with it, I couldn't exactly blame them.
>>343793021
Nobody is denying that the youtubers scamming people isn't scummy.
We are arguing that Valve isn't the one in fault here and people that fall for this kind of stuff should know better anyways. Same thing with people that get caught up in pyramid schemes and "X steps to success" scams.
>>343793021
The guys who owned the website have like 15,000,000 combined subscribers
I think some of them post here
>>343793021
/v/ is made up of children and people with childish mentalities. They think agreeing with anyone someone they don't like is admitting that they're best buds or something.
>>343793086
They dn't even need to. Why would they bother messing with gambling if theya re alreayd making tons of money with their own sotre and in-game microtransactions.
Hell, if you make more than 100 bucks in the steam market, you ahev to give your personal in fo to steam, for taxation purposes. So underage kids would have to commit indetity fraud to actually get and/or spend enough money to get problems.
>>343793329
Or, you know, this: >>343793279
Maybe don't be a condescending cocksucking faggot for a change, you piece of shit.
>>343792904
Yeah I agree the memes are getting a little fucking annoying and sometimes I wish Hila would stfu. But they're like 30 years old dude they're not exactly young dudes just trying to make funny videos by copying tim and Eric. What they think is funny might not be what you think is funny anymore they have like 30 year old cheesy parent that just discovered the Internet humor now. I still think their new videos are funny but Ethan pretty much has the same mindset now as my step dad who shows me 9gag memes constitently. It's not malicious they're just a cheesy 30 year old couple and that's what makes them laugh
>>343793086
All they do is provide an API, that anyone can use, along with developer help to those that request it.
Thing is, there is no identifier when someone requests developer support from Valve when it comes to API issues. One of the arguments is that Valve willingly gave help to these gambling sites, when in reality they simply assisted someone that asked for help on the API forums available to developers.
Normies love to go on and on about that VideoGameAttorney guy, and his heart is in the right place, but this is a suit he's pretty much fucked up taking on because there's no case again Valve. They don't actively support the websites and have done a lot stop much of the RMT going on. The only little carrot is the API issue, and that's easily defended as it's open source and Valve does not require personal information from those that use it. (Signing in through the API also has a huge wall of text that explains they're not responsible and that you should never trust websites offering services in exchange for money.)
Now, if they want to go the angle that RNG loot boxes are a scam and gambling in themselves, then I'm all for setting that straight and ultimately killing that cancer off. But Valve is far from the first and only company to use those. Looking at you, Korean Publishers.
>>343793279
>people that fall for this kind of stuff should know better anyways. Same thing with people that get caught up in pyramid schemes and "X steps to success" scams.
This is not fair.
This sort of stuff exploits the way the human brain works. You yourself aren't immune to same form of exploitation, you just didn't happen to fall for it this particular time.
It's why gambling is heavily regulated and we have laws against things like pyramid schemes same as we do highly addictive drugs, humans are just too vulnerable to them because of the way we are wired.
>>343792718
>eastern european/asian person buys stolen credit card data for ten cents to a dollar per card
>uses it to buy game codes from the dev or other marketplaces
>resells the codes on G2A to get the codes to cash
>developer gets a chargeback, sees which keys correspond to the transactions where the credit card holder claimed fraud
>reports these keys to steam
>steam revokes the game keys
>>343794168
This. Valve knows how to cover their ass and they don't care about the gambling sites. It took the EU courts several years to make them even start giving refunds, these API issues isn't nearly enough to make a serious case.
>>343794287
Or, you know, use the internet, do some research, etc.
It's like defending rapists because they have the natural instinct to rape. Don't do it, simple as that.
I used to bet on DOTA2 liunge years ago, and then I stopped, because it got boring and to get the big stuff, I'd have to spend money to get big items to bet.
And that's fucking stupid. There you go, self-control, that's hard to muster, right? To NOT spend money.
>>343794523
>EU gets its refunds
>UK smashes it into tiny pieces
Gaben has spoken.
>>343794343
This. And it hurts the customers that live in said areas and buy the keys for personal use, because that discourages developers to lower the price for poorer markets.
>>343787774
People are just mad because Valve came up with selling skins at large first.
Personally I believe they're amazing to basically just make up their own economy of getting money from literally every market trade. They're gaining money by doing nothing at this point. Milions of money.
>>343793764
I think the point of >>343793021 and >>343793329
completely flew over your head. Thanks for making my point, kid.
>>343794128
>they have like 30 year old cheesy parent that just discovered the Internet humor now.
They literally have reddit humor, you just described reddit humor. They aren't oblivious to the internet, ethan used to post on 4chan for gods sake. They used to be funny, but now they sold out and pander to the lowest common denominator. It's not malicious but it's insulting. They didn't magically lose a step and revert into old farts when they magically started getting bigger. They made the decision to go for the lazy, easy, repeatable quips that make great for reddit memes.
>>343795205
It's even better when you realize the skin economy is THE best solution to the microtransaction debacle.
Devs get funding for future updates, people can spend large sums of cash and have something to show for it, and best of all it doesn't affect the balance of the game.
/v/ will still bitch though because they're fucking communists and think a company making money is the greatest sin on earth.
>>343795205
Yup, their cards system is genius. You give cards, those people sell the cards, those cards can be used to make badges and cosmetic items and then youc an turn said items into gems to craft more cards.
That's a closed economy right there, and valve gets money from each transaction along the way. They don't care about this gambling shit ebcause theya re already racking up the money through their cards and items economy.
>>343795547
>>343795550
Glad to see someone who isn't a communist scum around here.
>>343795369
Please, I'm all ears. They didn't make any point besides "Why are people not agreeing with them, despite them not being right?" and just making it about us disliking the people presenting the argument.
I've always thought the keys/roulette shit was dumb. as. hell. and I still don't get why anyone participates in it.
>>343795205
Agree. I also don't understand why in that video they're whining about 13 years olds buying into it? What kind of a parent lets their 13 years olds have access to credit cards?
>>343787774
The lawsuit is over Valve funding gambling sites or allowing users to link their Steam accounts to gambling sites, therefore creating an unregulated environment in which kids can gamble or be scammed.
You have to be 18 to buy CSGO in the first place. I'm not a lawyer so I don't actually know shit, but I don't think there's anything you can do about kids lying about their age.
>>343796007
Also, the steam market requires you to give your personal information after you reach a certain amount of money exchanged, there's now an authentication system that takes 7 to 15 days to make a transaction on the market now and the fact that you'd need a credit/debit card to even use the market, things underage children can't have anyways.
Children wouldn't even be affected by this if their parents actually kept tabs on their online expenses.
>>343794798
>Or, you know, use the internet, do some research, etc.
This places an unreasonable knowledge burden on people for it to be put into practice for everything.
>It's like defending rapists because they have the natural instinct to rape. Don't do it, simple as that.
You don't understand the nature of compulsion. You brain is subject to all kinds of influences, your consciousness does not operate in a vacuum.
>I used to bet on DOTA2 liunge years ago, and then I stopped, because it got boring and to get the big stuff, I'd have to spend money to get big items to bet.
Good for you. That doesn't mean you are immune, it just means at that point in time that particular form of persuasion was ineffective.
Sorry, but you are a mere human, the same as the rest of us, and are vulnerable to all kinds of exploits. There is, however, an easy and practical solution to all this, it's called the law and sensible regulation.
>>343796356
>There is, however, an easy and practical solution to all this, it's called the law and sensible regulation.
So communism is what you're saying?
>>343787774
Valve was scum from the start
>>343796356
What? Burden of knowledge?
The law shouldn't have to protect you from your own stupidity. It's not like you are going to die if you gamble.
I understand the nature of compulsion and I also understand using your own reasoning to stop doing that compulsive stuff. If it's a serious mental condition, you shouldn't even be flirting with the idea anyways and should be seeking medical health.
Yes, good for me that I don't cave in to any want I want, because I can exert the least bit of self-control.
You are justliek those bozos that whine that kickstarter should sue projects that tank, without actually reading on the rules of agreement and stuff.
The law is there alright, and assumes you can read and make your own decisions, numbnuts.
keys, supply drops etc are a form of gambling and only exist because of loopholes
/v/ doesn't really care about this since it involves big youtubers but it is a problem that needs to be addressed, not just on YoutTube but also from the publishers. Devs usually don't want these things in the game.
>>343796571
You aren't really that stupid, are you?
Considering you seem to think of yourself as some sort of superhuman I suppose you imagine you would prosper under anarchy.
>>343796948
Cool, how do you make money through crates outside third-parties sites?
You can only get steambucks through steam and you can't refund market gained steambucks into your credit card.
If you are willing to use a third-party site to get money you aren't allowed to make anyways, it's at your own risk.
>>343796819
>The law shouldn't have to protect you from your own stupidity.
Tell that to the EU.
For an organization that's giving free education to it's citizens they're dumb as fuck when it comes to real world shit.
"Wahhh I didn't fallow EULA mama EU comes helps me I sue Valve!"
>>343797037
>Self control.
>Superhuman.
Seems common sense is superhuman to you as well since you lack it you fucking moron.
>yfw valve disconnects all steam internet login/plugin services in response
>>343797154
What? EU has stricter laws, yes, but they have all the right to set their standards for consumer rights.
Valve isn't forced to comply with said rules unless they want to operate inside their market.
Also, refund for products is the normal in most countries, it's just one of those things the US seems to not understand as a basic right, like maternity leave.
>>343797261
Hey man, it's tough to not eat evertyhing I see, to not fuck every hole I find and to not kill every asshole I meet.
I'm superhuman everyday for not being a piece of shit, I demand some praise.
>>343797471
>maternity leave.
>"I demand equal pay!"
>valvecucks btfo
>eceleb shitters btfo
It's a win win situation.
>>343797352
I won't miss it but I do hope they remove the retarded time limitation on trading
>>343787774
Zero issue with this gambling situation. If kids are doing it its not valves fault. Parents/websites. Why would I give a fuck what people do with their time and money
>>343796819
>The law shouldn't have to protect you from your own stupidity
Do not make the mistake of equating ignorance with stupidity.
We are all ignorant of something. It's not possible to have all the knowledge there is and it's not a reasonable expectation that people should just go out and acquire it. I sure hope you aren't stupid enough to think "just google it" is the answer.
>I also understand using your own reasoning to stop doing that compulsive stuff
You don't understand compulsion at all.
The little angel on one shoulder and the little devil on the other is not a real thing, you only have one brain and it controls everything you do, including what you are and aren't capable of thinking.
>>343797587
It doesn't matter for literally every other country in the world.
Also, several countries also have paternity leaves, so there's that.
People that don't agree with such things are people that think women will get pregnant every tsingle oportunity they get just so thet get paid without working, despite that being a stupid line of tought unless they already live below the poverty line, since it would make the future costs that comes with raising a child not be worth it in the long run.
>>343797896
>As a business I should be willing to hire an employee that's liable to leave with pay for 5 months because of "Morals"
Companies exist for a bottom line dumbass, there's literally 0 reason to hire an employee that does have a chance to get pregnant over one that doesn't.
People don't make businesses to act like they're superheroes, they do it for money, don't like it? Don't buy from them.
>>343797892
Well, maybe I'm super human, cause I don't do any of that. The US seems to thing the "burden of knowledge" lies on the consumer at most parts, like when it comes to financial advices and healthcare insurance.
Maybe that other anon was right and you want the government to coddle your balls so you don't shit on your pants daily.
And as I said, if that compulsion is actually that crippling, those people must look for psychiatric attention, not lawyers
>>343797896
Can I get paid paternity leave then?
so how long till valve cracks down on this gambling thing by making it even more annoying to trade stuff then it already is. Maybe they should make it so you have to give them your social insurance number too just to make sure
kids who copy streamers and gamble $300 knives like it's nothing and expect to win are retarded and should be put to sleep.
the streamers are playing with house money and get free rolls/knowledge of future rolls when they get low.
Gambling is for degenerates.
>>343787774
unless valve knew about it I could care less
>>343792880
Who are the youtube people who did this? Do they have a channel?
>>343798170
Then explain to me why every single other country in the world has this policy and aren't dying due to lack of profits.
Maternity license never killed any business by itself.
I don't mind you not hiring women, but if you do, they should be able to have some family planning without thinking on how to get another job after getting fired for being pregnant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt0w9YP_wZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RjDRLBWio
Watch these two short, informative videos which will succinctly demonstrate that this has been Valve and Gabe's plan all along. Why use your hundreds of millions/billions of dollars in cash to make new and exciting games when you can just funnel cash from parent's wallets directly into your fat bank accounts?
You're all fucking deluded if you think Valve actually has any sort of vision for games, gaming, or making good games. With all their assets, all their cash, all their talent, they should be making next generation games. Instead they build the simplest possible game design centered around micro-transactions and cosmetics.
Don't take my word for it. Watch. Listen. Hear it from the horse's mouth.
>>343798341
Depends on the country. Most paternity licenses nowadays don't go over 1 month, so it's basically an extended paid break.
>>343790897
>being a GOtard
>literally out of your free will getting cucked out of Valve's Attention, Development Time and most importantly Money by Dota Two the Based
Don't worry, it's not too late to quit your casual game and join the Action Chess.
>>343798397
>Everyone else does it so that means it's right.
Where have I heard this before?
Also if the employee didn't start 7 months ago and isn't a complete shitter that sucks at the job I wouldn't mind giving a leave on a contract stipulation, I also wouldn't be paying her, because it's not fair to employees who are actually fucking working.
She's not losing her job, but she sure as fuck isn't being paid to sit on her ass, she ought to have saved up the money for a kid before she decided to have one.
>>343794287
>this particular time
or that other particular time, or that third particular time, or any other particular time businesses relied on retards giving money without guaranteed returns. It's obviously a coincidence.
>>343798431
Nobody is saying they are making new gaming experiences.
We are just saying that there's a big difference between making a money making closed economy inside their system and inciting underage gambling.
>>343789432
>Consumer freedom is corruption.
Yes, Valve should be able to tell me what I can and can't do with what I paid for, dipshit.
>>343798431
>With all their assets, all their cash, all their talent, they should be making next generation games. Instead they build the simplest possible game design centered around micro-transactions and cosmetics.
This is true for every major dev at this point.
And nobody here thinks Valve is still a great developer.
>read thread expecting a plethora of Americans talking about how badly they want to take the corporate cock and hate having consumer power
>get a thread of exactly that
Brilliant.
But of course that they've been taken to different international courts at least twice this year over consumer rights issues and might well be being taken to court in your own country is all because of those anti-corporate communist liberals isn't it :^)
>>343795547
>Devs get funding for future updates
>Valve
>updates
>>343787774
It is disgusting. Gabe should be hung.
>>343792367
/v/ is pretending they were conscious of this being an issue before h3h3 made a video last night
maybe a lawsuit will fucking get Valve's heads out of their collective asses and they'll stop leaching off shitty games and start actually making a game every 2 years or so.
>>343798802
I think Valve is a great developer.
>>343798817
>EU faggot thinks his government should shelter him.
Your little club will crumble and your country will turn into ash, peasant.
>>343798725
"We are making millions and millions of dollars off of this system."
"The Goal is not to put users in a position where they are gambling, but put into a position where they had random chance- and there is a fundamental difference there."
Straight from Valve's mouth.
>>343798179
>The US seems to thing the "burden of knowledge" lies on the consumer at most parts, like when it comes to financial advices and healthcare insurance.
No, it doesn't. At all.
The US is awash with regulations and laws. I have absolutely no idea why you would think it isn't.
You are very far from superhuman if you believe "caveat emptor" rules America...
>And as I said, if that compulsion is actually that crippling, those people must look for psychiatric attention, not lawyers
Ever heard an addict say "I'm not addicted, I could stop anytime I want to"? They actually do believe that. That is the nature of addiction, it's very hard to recognize in oneself. It only becomes apparent when you stop the behavior.
You are incredibly naive for someone who has such a high opinion of themselves.
>valve gets 2-3 dollars per key
>key used on crates
>crate items if rare get put up on market
>people buy items giving valve even more of a cut in profit
>now people gamble said items so they have a chance to get steam bucks and even more money to valve since they will obviously try to sell whatever they win or buy a ton of keys with the rewards
>people think this is ok because only stupid people do this
no it encourages more of the practice. In fact, the reason why there is a rise of iphone p2w faggotry is because everyone is ignoring the people who throw away their money at these things. Instead it should be regulated to protect consumers.
>>343798926
why
>>343798610
>Sitting her ass.
So, you never raised a kid, right? Also you didn't answer my point. And just because you don't do it and everybody does, doesn't mean YOU are the correct one for being different from the others.
Again, Maternity leave isn't bad for business, that's a worldwide fact, look for any business site and you'll see the impact on production is minimal.
IF the job you want to fill is so essential that you can't replace a worker for 6 months, then I agree, don't hire a woman that might have a kid.
BUT IF YOU DO HIRE a woman, she deserves at least one maternity leave every 5 years or so.
>>343790173
Crates alone are gambling, which is entirely Valve
>>343798978
>regulated to protect consumers.
So communism?
>>343798926
>was
ftfy
They don't make games anymore. They'd probably make less money making a game than doing nothing.
>>343787774
It doesn't affect the state of my video games too much. So I personally don't care.
Only kids and retards gamble online anyway.
>>343787774
Some really abusive motherfuckers decided to use valve's services to create a gambling ring, and when some underaged retards lost all of mommy's credit card money they decided to sue valve. The crates, which may or not be considered gambling, are not part of the lawsuit. The lawsuit states that vale has some vague association with these sites thanks to CS:GO cancerous community.
...
Even if it is only a pain in their ass, they brought it to themselves. Modern gaming is God awful, and Valve only help to enable it. I hope the other party loses big time, so they owe Valve their lawyer fees. The smartass who came up with this idea needs to be hanged by his scrotum.
>>343798935
>Australia sues Valve
>America potentially looking to suit up
>b-b-b-ut it's eurocucks
top lel.
I hope that corporate cock is delicious, you anti-American scumbag.
>>343798978
>don't go crazy on keys
>don't gamble on items
Yeah, it's called self regulation. You don't need to be a genius to learn self control and the people who are experience severe financial distress because of this deserve it.
>>343799087
Whoa whoa whoa there fucker.
1. The kid doesn't help my fucking company, so I don't give a fuck what she's doing when she's not at the job site.
2. Just because everyone else is brain dead enough to hand out free money doesn't mean it doesn't affect the bottom line, that's retarded.
3. I don't give a shit what your morals or feelings are on the subject, it's simple fucking math.
You're giving money for 0 (Zero) work, which is a bad deal.
I know you live in some moronic communist shithole and can't fathom a company trying to make money but just think for 5 seconds okay.
>>343798938
There are already several laws on gambling up and several others for booze, drugs,etc.
The government isn't obligated to force addicted people to look for help.
>Regulation to protect the common person is tantamount to communism
I hope everyone saying this ITT is all for burning the constitution, given that pretty much every constitution in the world exists to give rights to the common man.
>>343799254
>Both fail
>You'll still be here sifting through Valve's trash trying to find anything to pretend to have a moral high ground
Pa-fucking-thetic.
>>343798926
>i think Valve is a great developer
was
now they are memes and p2w
remember portal 2? fantastic game that was most likely had several cuts so that valve could insert their failed cosmetics system in the game. Imagine how much of that could have gone into making more puzzles and story, rather than a skin and hat shop that just didn't fit the game at all.
remember when valve actually tried to have a bit of fun when handling events on Steam and then when people found ways to beat the system, they just ripped it all out, inserted trading cards and voting and then stripped out the voting, leaving nothing but a giant switch that they push to say "sales this week" and absolutely nothing else but the random faggot who pumps their account level to 500+
bravo Valve, you are even more dead than gog this year.
>>343799426
>Regulating what I can buy
>Rights.
Actually it's quite the opposite.
You sound to me like a faggot that thinks the government should assign you an accountant to make sure you spend your money correctly, retard.
>>343799612
>p2w
atleast stop spewing shit
I would think that the simple response is the same response the federal government did for illegal online gambling establishments in the past.
Shut the offending establishments the fuck down and send the IRS.
Valves involvement is indirect but you can bet your sweet ass they will "Work with the government"otherwise known as covering their own ass
>>343799509
>EU successfully gets Valve to offer refunds
>Australia succeeds in suing Valve
>both fail
literally what
>>343799087
If you're not at work and not working, why should you get paid?
>>343799331
anyone under the age of 18 isn't smart enough to handle money. Parents don't know what the fuck is going on because it looks just like a harmless game but its draining credit cards without them knowing until they see the charges after a month, hence the reason for the lawsuit.
>>343799637
It sounds to me you think the president should be allowed in as many terms as possible because setting a limit it communism.
>>343799689
>T-this will be the end of Valve for s-s-sure!
>>343799380
The communist asshole I live is "insert here any other country in the world"
It's not morals, it's just making a better society where people can raise their children peacefully.
AND I REPEAT ONCE AGAIN. If you are so tight for money that some workers leaving for a few months is enough to disrupt your company/business, then don't hire women.
Maternity leave is something that helps your country and your people overall well-being in the long run, it's not a profit driven law. If you don't agree with it, DON'T HIRE WOMEN.
Damn, it's hard for you to understand that you can have all your workforce male if you want to, it's your decision as a private business.
>>343799407
>The government isn't obligated to force addicted people to look for help.
Actually, the government can and does compel addicts to be treated for their addictions. It also compels people to attend things like diversity training, anger management therapy, etc., etc. with varying levels of usefulness.
You can argue over whether or not it should but considering the responsibility of government is the prosperity and well being of ALL it's citizens it's not unreasonable to claim it should compel treatment in certain cases. Maybe.
>>343799612
nigga, gog is the shit
>>343799825
>allies failed WW2 because Germany, Italy and Japan still exists.
Again, literally what.
>>343799089
Crates are as much gambling as buying trading cards. It's a despicable system but in the end it's regular people who put a $4000 price on that knife, not valve
>>343798759
It's a loophole that allows underaged kids to gamble and valve doesn't care, the fuck does this have to do with consumer freedom?
>>343799827
>then don't hire women.
But that's problematic and sexist
>>343799660
even the most stupid person can see
high steam level = popularity
popularity = winning
>>343799806
>Corporations commit tyranny by putting items up for sale.
Holy fuck.
>>343799892
Still not obligated. They can make campaign and programs to help on the plight of addicts, but they are not obligated in any way.
>>343799945
>Bad parenting is Valve's fault.
>Underage children committing theft if Valve's fault.
>3rd party sites are Valve's fault.
>Valve should police everyone or they're stealing.
Okay, you're done, everyone in this thread knows you're a fucking idiot now.
>>343799794
>Parents don't know what the fuck is going on
Weird, I know plenty of parents that watch online transaction history like a hawk. I guess they are "Special" and all the parents that are not at all horrible at keep tracking of their child's financial activities dindu nuffin. Why do the kids have credit card info in the first place?
>anyone under the age of 18
Weird. I grew up with internet and never blew money on stupid shit.
>>343799714
So, you also don't believe in paid vacations?
>>343800169
i guess you don't know it takes a minimum of a week for temporary transactions to show up on credit history
>>343799892
>obligated
>can and does
>should compel
Why did you bother making that post? Everything you said was already acknowledged by the anon you replied to.
>>343787774
It's just a giant pachinko-style loophole that allows kids to gamble.
I have never been a part of it, and hopefully everyone appropriate gets destroyed for it.
>kids spending their tendie bucks on knife skins
>>343800262
>Why do the kids have credit card info in the first place?
Maybe you don't know how to read a post before typing up a reply.
>>343800286
Yup, but I don't mind saying it again. Even more clear, if he needs.
>>343800191
>Earning 8 weeks (And that's if it's a good job, most don't even offer that) of vacation after years of work is the same as someone getting 5 months off paid because of their gender.
>Female athletes can drop out of the olympics and fuck over sponsors because "Muh preggers"
>Male athletes can't
>"We demand equal pay"
>>343800169
Apparently the untamed internet was a lot more scary back in the 90s. Older parents know better than to allow a kid to have unrestricted access to a credit card on neopets.
everything to do with virtual crates, virtual packs of cards, or professional "content creators" is shit for retards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RjDRLBWio
>>343800404
parents are checking
>remember credit card info so its easier to check out next time
>>343800428
Great, then she won't get any more work in the future.
Also, if you think it's too much, you can make a limit, like "work for 5 years before being able to use your maternity leave", etc.
It's like thos epeople that argue that trans people shouldn' use the bathrooms they want, because they could rape people, even though rape is already a crime.
A bad business decision is stupid for any gender, if you are an athlete, you more likely than not don't work in an enviroment that requires maternity leave in the first place.
>>343800134
Gambling is illegal for underaged kids and valve lets them gamble, not only that but they've allowed sites that LITERALLY let kids gamble to use the steam inventory infrastructure for this cause. This isn't bad parenting, this is fucking illegal. Stop defending your soulless corporation you dick sucking loser
>>343800083
There are legal obligations involved, it's why they do it.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "obligated". I mean there's no natural law compelling them to force addicts into treatment but there is no natural law compelling the government to remove criminals from society and place them in jail either.
>>343799089
>Crates alone are gambling
>Buy crate
>It has random chance to contain a rare item, or mostly shit
>Get something I don't need
>I'm allowed to trade it
>BAN THIS SHIT, ILLEGAL ILLEGAL
>Buy Pokemon cards
>It has random chance to contain a Charizard, or mostly Potions and energy cards
>Get something I don't need
>I'm allowed to trade it
>GOOD OLD WHOLESOME CHILDHOOD
>>343800627
So you admit it's their fault.
>>343787774
>tfw you forgot you could sell all your trading cards for steam bucks to prepare for the sales each year
Guess who's actually going to beat those shitty indie games for .80.
I might have to stop playing custom games now and start betting on CSGO skins on the side.
This will be great until USA shuts it the fuck down. If Vegas knew how big of a market it is, then we'd be fucked already. I think Europe takes a much more lax stance on gambling in general, so they'll be fine.
All of these games with loot boxes are essentially what's going to ruin Vegas in the future. Games are already more engaging than casino shit. The gambling is just the cherry on top. Real money or not.
>>343800134
>Bad parenting is Valve's fault.
>Underage children committing theft if Valve's fault.
>3rd party sites are Valve's fault.
>Valve should police everyone or they're stealing.
This however is what democrats and liberals truly believe.
>>343800723
>Valve shouldn't be allowed to spy on me.
>Valve should monitor children (Who lie 70% of the time about their age) on 3rd party sites because I'm a fucking retard and can't into common logic.
>>343799089
>crates are gambling
Crates are not gambling. In the US, the practice of gambling is legally defined as:
"A person engages in gambling if he stakes or risks something of value upon the outcome of a contest of chance or a future contingent event not under his control or influence, upon an agreement or understanding that he or someone else will receive something of value in the event of a certain outcome."
Crates do not allow you to receive something of value (that is, monetary value), because in the way that Valve has set up the system, there is no officially-condoned and legitimate way to get from CSGO items back to legal tender. The value that these items have is wholly artificial, and dependent on third-parties who have their own financial stake in keeping prices inflated.
>paying money for a texture
>"people aren't stupid! they know what they're doing! valve should be sued!"
?...?
>>343800134
not him. companies have the obligation to make sure that the customers are eligible for their service. valve cooperates with a site with at least very shady and likely illegal practices. so either they made something every company should and likely does do and check the other company out first or they just didn't care about the other sites reputation. either way this doesn't put valve in a good light.
>THINK OF THE CHILDREN
where have I heard this one before?
>>343800724
There is, it's called "keeping themselves on power"
Helping addicts isn't a priority to keep a society going, punishing criminals that disrupt the basic rights set up by a government, for example right of property, is undermining your own authority.
You have the freedom to used and do whatever youw ant, as long as you don't bother otehr people, but you can't steal another people's property.
A government won't crumble if they let addicts kill/fuck themselves, letting criminals go unpunished will lead to revolts and people going after the people in charge.
>>343800563
god this shit is dark
>Spent like $100 on CSGO crates/keys over a year and a half
>Get a Huntsman knife, Sell it and make my money back in Steam Money and like a $10 profit.
>Sell all the other shit that i dont want, make like $40
>CSGO Lounge becomes a thing
>Dont have a good enough inventory to buy in
>CSGO Gambling becomes a thing
>Same situation
>Look at people on Youtube trying it
>Its nothing but despair and losing $500 knives in the blink of an eye
Anybody who fell for CSGO gambling is a fucking moron
I'm glad people are finally calling Valve out on this disgusting shit but I find it kind of pathetic that it's only happening because some famous youtuber told them to.
>>343801082
>Cooperates
Someone using the Steam API does not mean they endorse or cooperate anything
Why should I care?
>>343787774
The CSGO off-site gambling stuff with skins as a pseudo-currency probably should be illegal, it's loophole abuse at its finest.
The YouTuber drama currently going on is super illegal in every respect.
But Valve's business model with the crates, while maybe immoral, is definitely not illegal.
>>343801082
>companies have the obligation to make sure that the customers are eligible for their service.
Yes, because there are truly ways of knowing if that 15 year old that said he was 22 is lying.
Get your head out of your ass.
>>343800749
only thing i will admit is dlc and market trades shouldn't automatically connect to saved credit card data on the account. There should be a seperate check between buying a game, and buying a market item.
>>343801148
Its their subscribers money and not theirs so they lost nothing
>>343800746
when buying packs of cards you are guaranteed cards that are playable
crates have a bunch of shit of varying value, and odds are it wont be playable shit
>>343801203
There you go, pretty concise summary.
>it's ok when Nintendo does it
>it's ok when Sony does it
>it's ok when Microsoft does it
>it's ok when Valve does it
>>343801238
>Yes, because there are truly ways of knowing if that 15 year old that said he was 22 is lying.
uhhhhh yes it's called checking id how do you think businesses do it
if you think requiring id is beyond the reach of online businesses you are wrong
>>343801329
>Playable shit
What?
>>343801184
i understood it that you were able to log into that site with your steam account? that heavily implies cooperation given that some keysite, g2a i think, isn't allowed by valve to do that anymore.
>>343801238
legit gambling sides require of you to send in your ID with unneccessary information covered up.
>>343801203
Valve facilitates many of those sites by allowing users to link their Steam accounts, and facilitating gambling is illegal as well in most places that don't allow gambling
>>343801203
Problem is they allow gambling sites to use their API for logging in and linking accounts.
That could easily be seen as negligence. Valve is potentially liable.
>>343801148
The people on Youtube are typically given skins to gamble by whichever site they're being sponsored by, however.
The real money these sites make is off randoms who watch the videos.
>>343801520
>Doesn't even know what the Steam API is
Just stop posting
>>343801289
Yeah no kidding. The $500 knife they lost and in some cases they didnt lose at all since they're for show and rigged since the videos are sponsored is nothing to the $5000 they'll make off the video since it'll get a billion views.
But to see people failing and wanting to fail yourself and putting your hundred dollar items on the line due to that, thats nothing but pure retardation.
>>343795205
only nigger making any sense here
>>343801169
>>343801148
>>343800723
>>343799960
>>343798978
>>343798367
autists spotted
>>343801480
>Just give Valve your I.D., SSN, Cell #, and credit card!
>"What?! How dare you imply this is completely unnecessary if parents just watch their kids, just hand over everything!"
>>343787774
It's not gambling because you can make money without having to put any in.
I mean shit my TF2 inventory was worth more than $400 when I quit and I never put more money into the game than the $10 to buy it and I think I bought some paint once.
>>343801329
CS:GO and Dota2 items do not affect gameplay in any way, TF2 items are insanely cheap at a scrap banker and for the cost of one key you could buy enough metal to fund basic, gameplay-changing weapons for the nearest 50 years.
>>343801203
/thread
crates aren't illegal, skins gambling isn't illegal, and cashing out isn't illegal.
Put the three together as a single system and it's obviously gambling.
Serious loophole abuse.
>>343801596
just does it invalid this or any of my other points?
>>343801520
Steam API does not mean Valve endorses any site or have anything to do with it.
>>343801658
What does sucking valve cock get you, anon?
>>343801670
But Valve already asks for at least 3 of those when you spend/gains more that 100 bucks in the steam market during a year.
>>343801784
Yes.
You're literally saying that Toyota should be sued every time someone crashes one of their cars, or uses one of their vans to rob a bank.
It's a fucking public API.
>>343801106
>the purpose of government is to perpetuate itself
>libertarianism solves all the worlds problems
Grow up, kid.
>>343801684
>It's not gambling because you can make money without having to put any in.
that's not the definition of gambling.
>>343795547
An OK skin economy is one where the players can purchase the skin they want from Valve at an agreeable price.
A bad skin economy is where players pay $2.50 for a chance at what they want, but mostly with the expectation of selling them to other players.
Valve makes some skins artificially rare, not because there is any necessary reason for it to be rare, but mostly because it adds the lottery element to the system.
If valve made every single drop the same chance, you would expect that most items would settle a similar pricepoint, with some variation due to desirability. Some skins are just cooler than others and even with all supply the same would commend a premium. Most people have varying enough taste that the demand profile would be pretty wide, and there is no real upper limit to the number of cases that people would be opening. For the common CS:GO skins, the price is very low, usually a few dollars at the most. People just don't care that much about being unique or cosmetics.
The problem is that valve makes some items deliberately rare in order to not only increase their price (and Valve's cut at sale), but to increase the interest in crates strictly as a cash opportunity. You're no longer paying $2.50 for a 1:X chance at the skin you want, you're paying $2.50 for a 1:X chance of something worth hundreds or even thousands of dollars.
Very few people would care to open hundreds of CSGO crates for a chance at a unique looking skin. People are opening hundreds of CSGO crates for a chance at big money.
>>343801784
Read the Steam API terms of service
>>343801860
You are fucking lying
>>343801520
Sports betting sites do full background checks before letting you bet a dime. One site made me wait two weeks while they sent physical letters to my local authorities to verify I was indeed who I said I was.
>>343801860
Yes and you want them to ask for more, as though kids can't just take their moms forms of I.D. you fucking mongoloid.
>>343801771
>Cashing out
>Gambling
Both not supported by valve. And the only "cashing out" you can do on steam is in non-refundable steambucks.
>>343800627
>Checking that off for a child
Yeah, you shouldn't be having children if you're not going to enter in the info your self and insure it's not being saved. That's on you.
>>343801975
wow the poker sites i were one weren't nearly that harsh. just an ID check.
>>343801901
Well, yes. A government really wants to keep itself around.
And I never said anything about libertaranism. I just stated facts, anon. Maybe you should grow up and actually bring up a counter argument.
What about this then?
All that money goes into Valve and these gambling websites.
That money isn't returning to improve life, they are being drained into shit projects or fucking lining the pockets of the .1% of people in this world. Items made out of data are completely gone if the owners account gets banned, inactive, or dies. Steam accounts can't be legally traded even on death.
>>343801523
>>343801547
Interesting. It's still not a problem with their core crate slot-machine styled economy as much of their looseness with allowing others to use their API. I imagine Valve's going to be cracking down on this a lot more regardless of whether this lawsuit actually succeeds.
>>343801974
Nope, you can look on steam FAQs
>>343801992
I know it's not supported by Valve, because then it'd be illegal under current gambling laws.
The point is that there's a huge, consistent market that lets you go from real cash -> skins -> gambling -> real cash.
Because these all occur on different sites, and each step is individually legal, it's not "technically" gambling. All together, it is.
Which is why it's loophole abuse.
The extend of the shits I give is me being here explaining how I don't actually give a shit.
Valve can implode as a studio for all I care, they're not relevant anyway and a team of 10 brain damaged indians can run Steam just as well as Valve do.
>>343800315
>and hopefully everyone appropriate gets destroyed for it.
Nah, it works like this:
The losers who got their money stolen by Chinese and Russian hosted sites; which will never, ever be persecuted and at worst will simply shut their sites, and create new ones overnight; are suing valve because they are in America, and are targets for whatever fantastic bullshit they can cook up so they take the blame.
Youtubers; who enabled this bullshit ring, and made this scam popular to begin with; are against valve because they want them to take the blame, and they are not exactly fans of the whole "Studying and Work a real job" plan most people adopt, so they are delighted by any scenario in which they get money for doing nothing. Views at the very least, free bucks at best. It is easily to convince people that you are not the worst money grubbing jewmesiter with faux brand idealism, see Marxism, "Corporations are just evil, goy, support and subscribe"
It essentially the entire " modern gaming community" vs valve.
Because the only thing this generation can do is bite the hand that feeds them.
I only hope that sites like tf2 outpost become casualties via collateral damage when Valve suspends their steamlogin services. Hell /v/ used it a couple of times during the /v/gas.
So no, no one guilty is being persecuted, actually it is more like the guilty persecuting the innocent.
>>343787774
>>343789920
Came here to say this.
As soon as Mr. Reaction Man makes a funny video on it suddenly every cunt starts caring and calling it disgusting. AKA Thinly veiled e-celeb thread
>>343801547
That's not how negligence works
Gabe Newell should be put in jail.
>>343801985
But I don't though. I was agreeing with you when you pointed out asking for more information is pointless, shithead.
>>343795513
>Ethan used to post on 4chan
You know, I felt this be true but I've never seen any proof of it before.
>>343802153
>What about this then?
it's irrelevant
>>343801926
>The problem is that valve makes some items deliberately rare in order to not only increase their price (and Valve's cut at sale), but to increase the interest in crates strictly as a cash opportunity.
And why is this a problem? If you don't want the "cooler" cosmetic, don't blow money on crates hoping to get it. If people want to be stupid, that's their business.
>valve creates a media platform
>other people abuse it for gambling
>the government can sue valve for other people gambling on their games
Children, that's not how it works.
>>343799612
You made me remember Portal 2 hats.
>>343789920
>>343802310
>didn't know about thing
>learn about thing
>LMAO NOW YOU CARE ABOUT THING
>>343801329
Your argument is retarded, it could be bait, but why take the chances?
You are a God damn idiot.
>>343802493
As it's been pointed out, since many of the gambling sites use Valve's API they're potentially considered complicit and thus liable.
>>343790265
> Using windows to hack
Wow.
>>343802493
BUT THE CHILDREN. WE NEED BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND MORE REGULATIONS, ESPECIALLY ON VIDEO GAMES. THINK OF THE CHILDREN BUYING DIGITAL SKINS? THIS IS NOTHING LIKE KIDS BUYING YUGIOH CARDS
>>343802153
>Steam accounts can't be legally traded even on death.
No one knows for sure.
Kill yourself and find out.
>>343787774
>people spend money on stupid shit
Why is this a problem to anyone? Might as well complain about retards running in traffic and getting hit by cars. If it's not a bannable offense for you to be posting on this site, this should not be an issue that will affect you in any way.
>>343802589
>Valve shuts down steam API and demands sites that want to use it to go through steam support.
There you go, Valve is clean as a whistle once again.
>>343802589
No, they're not. Look up the API terms of service. It is a public API
>>343801684
>It's not gambling because you can make money without having to put any in.
You're mostly incorrect.
Unless you're the motherfucker with a one in a million chance to get something worth more than $10 from a post-game drop, the minimum you NEED to spend to gamble in CS:GO is $2.50 USD. Thats minimum, meaning that you'd have to get something above $10 from your first and only case to participate in gambling, for ONE roll.
Gambling sites have a minimum buy-in. You need to put in an item or items worth more than $10 or you just cant participate
>>343802493
>valve creates games that revolve around gambling (crates)
This is not a difficult concept
>>343801039
>it's not made out of protons, neutrons and electrons therefore it's worthless
>>343802363
Yes it is. You cannot allow your business to be involved in illegal activities. You must take proactive steps to avoid it (like vetting sites you allow your API on).
>>343802596
You don't even know the start, I got this 56k modem and I hack mad shit.
>>343802521
No, the issue is that a lot of you cunts will suddenly act like this is such a huge problem you are and have been outraged by for months. Nobody has a problem with your awareness being raised but don't act like you know anything about the issue rather than what a 12 minute meme video told you through funny jokes.
>>343801926
>Valve makes some skins artificially rare, not because there is any necessary reason for it to be rare, but mostly because it adds the lottery element to the system.
Wow, just like every other chance based purchase! TCGs all have artificially rare cards, except in those cases the rare cards are usually better. Same with capsule machines at supermarkets, if the person filling the machine wants the sticky hand to be a 1/50 chance, they can for no reason other than to be a dick.
This is nothing new, don't blame valve for people overpricing digital skins that do nothing gameplay-wise.
>>343802521
>Have a persecution complex
>"Everyone laughing at the person next to me is also laughing at me!"
Are you trying to tell us that you're stupid? Not sure why you're acting like everything revolves around you.
>>343802809
>Saberfag is retarded
What is new?
>>343802857
you are the only one acting like you've been outraged for months. laughing at others for just now learning about it is ridiculous.
>>343794287
>This is not fair.
This is not an argument. Fairness is a social construct. It doesn't exist.
>>343802668
was already asked to developers
your account is only binding to yourself and can't be traded.
>>343802841
That's not how negligence works. It has a legal definition.
>>343802747
It being public does not make valve immune from illegal activities using it.
>>343801771
Valve only supports buying keys to unlock content in their games.
You're guaranteed a skin every time, it's not gambling since you don't win money from it.
Price of skin has no impact on this fact.
"Gambling with skins" is totally 3rd party, never has been supported by valve and they actually shut down bots when they find them.
"Cashing out" again never has been supported by valve, any money you put into the machine you never get back.
This case is a farce and will get laughed out of the court room.
>>343802973
BUT IT'S NOT FAIR
WHY CAN'T I MAKE MEGA MILLIONS TOO BROS!
I LOST 200$ IN CSGO TRADING SO NOW VALVE NEEDS TO HAVE A CLASS ACTION SUIT ON IT'S HANDS
LET'S GO BROS
>>343802143
A government does not ONLY want to keep itself around and it constantly demonstrates this.
If the government is only concerned about perpetuating itself then why does it do things like seek to treat addicts, provide social mobility for it's citizens, provide various forms of welfare etc., etc?
>And I never said anything about libertaranism. I just stated facts, anon.
Spoken like a true libertarian. Do you think unbridled libertarianism has never been tried before or something? It has. Same as things like absolute free market capitalism and communism it doesn't work quite as well in practice as it does in theory.
>>343802989
I'm not using negligent in its strictly legal term faggot, im explaining that valve may have been roped into illegal activities by their negligence.
>>343802747
tos do not override local law. i don't know if this is the case here but unless a court decides the tos are lawfull they mean less than nothing.
I hope Valve gets assraped in court over this.
Fuck Valve, fuck Steam, fuck Gaben.
They don't care about the customers, look how shitty the Steam client is. They don't care about making good games. All they care about is rehashing old shit and selling crate keys.
Anyone who has loyalty toward Valve is a mindless drone.
>expecting retarded americans to ever doubt their corporate overlords
>>343803017
>it's not gambling since you don't win money
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>>343803152
>I'm not using negligent in its strictly legal term
So what you're saying doesn't matter.
KILL ALL VALVEDRONES
DEATH TO VALVE
>>343802993
The only illegal thing in H3's video is those guys not disclosing they own the site
>>343802398
he used to shill his videos on /b/ and /r9k/ back when he was doing talk show skits insulting redditors and he did that fatlip fan music video. you saw how quickly he recanted that reddit bullshit just to pander to them and make and mod his own sub, though.
you know what, i could be wrong because i didn't spend a whole lot of time looking, but i just checked to see if i could find the video where he called reddit a bunch of fedora tipping neck bearded losers from 3 years ago and it looks like he put it to private. fucking typical retconning jew.
>>343802957
I don't give a very giant shit at all about this, this isn't a cock rating competition and even if I knew about it months ago it wouldn't mean anything for me to justify my point of view with it.
It works like this:
>Funny reaction man makes a funny video
>You hear about it from your subreddits
>You form a strong opinion over something you learnt about 45 minutes ago
>You make a thread on /v/ saying how "disgusting" you find it.
>>343803192
There is literally no case against Valve, this is all on the consumers and the owners of skin gambling sites.
>>343803152
You're saying what they're doing is illegal, but not in the legal sense. You obviously have no fucking clue what you're talking about and I'm done replying.
>>343789432
back to ghazi and fight your goober war there
Haruhi or Valve?
>>343803247
Exactly the opposite. If valve allowed their service to be used in illegal activities they are guilty of breaking some law, somewhere as online gambling is incredibly regulated.
>>343799612
I see, it is valve fault that the gaming community is literally full of niggers and slavshits ruining the fun of everyone else with bots, reselling sites and scripts.
You are such a fucking idiot, I wish I could punch you on the back of the head.
>>343803365
And what's your point?
>>343802993
Actually it does, unless they can prove valve was aware of this particular site's use and supported them directly.
Again, same argument as saying the whatsapp developers should be sued because criminals use it to talk to each other.
>>343802919
slotting machines actually have to give a certain percentage of money out in a certain time period. you can't just do whatever.
surprised no one has mentioned money laundering over the gambling sites.
>>343803421
try me fatboy
I hold the hammer of justice.
>>343803192
how is valve responsible for other people tricking people into losing their money? thats like suing the creator of a knife because someone else used it to stab someone
>>343803142
>If the government is only concerned about perpetuating itself then why does it do things like seek to treat addicts, provide social mobility for it's citizens, provide various forms of welfare etc., etc?
None of those are enforced or obligations. It's done because members of the government are also part of the population and can understand that some programs can improve general well-being.
and I never said ONLY to perpertuate itself, maybe you should read a bit more.
>>343803017
>"Gambling with skins" is totally 3rd party, never has been supported by valve
>"Cashing out" again never has been supported by valve
source? if someone found out they are actually affiliated with the 3rd party sites they are in huge legal trouble.
>>343803415
So you aren't using the law-based definition of negligent while trying to make a case for how they're breaking the law for being negligent? Are you retarded or just really, really dumb?
>>343803442
tos do not trump local law as another anon said. A court can easily rule that they were complicit in online gambling
>>343803380
No, im saying they're not guilty of "criminal negligence" they may have broken the law because of the english languages definition of negligence. Do you under stand?
I can feel the children who lost hundreds of mom's money and got scoled.
self regulation, with the summer sales I made 12$ out of cards alone.
If you don't think it's good, just don't buy it, if you have children, just don't put money in it.
I fail to see the problem: any regular human with a brain shouldn't have a single problem with that.
>>343803609
It's lib logic anon, it's also the same reason they want guns banned.
>>343803436
My point is you don't have the authority to act like an outraged little fucking snowflake because some obese guy with early stage lung cancer made a video filled with memes that made you go "wtf wow i hate steam, i'm a #GOGgamer now".
>>343802947
>CSGO is a trash game that is only really used for gambling
Hows that cock munch?
>>343803142
This, in the same way pure communism assumes everyone wants to help the state, pure capitalism only works when it assumes everyone is educated consumers and nobody buys bad products.
>>343803505
Because there's no indication of it just yet. Scamming people out of money doesn't directly leads to money laundering unless the money used for the site's maintanance comes from illegal sources, which doesn't look like.
>>343803496
Except a slot machine is gambling since you get money from it, or something that can be immediately exchanged for money by the owner of the machine.
Chance-based purchases, such as TCG packs and coin machines that give stickers or toys, have no obligation to give out those "better" items because to the maker, those items are worth the same amount.
>>343803731
How are you this stupid? Im saying they arent guilty of "criminal negligence" but they may have broken laws because of their negligence.
Do you understand or does your autism prevent you from understanding definitions of words?
>>343803814
>Fatefaggot
>>>/a/
>>343803784
Oh, shit.
How do I get authorized to talk about things on 4chan? I had no idea.
>>343803784
>implying everyone ITT didnt acknowledge microtransaction gambling cancer long before le beanie man made his video
>>343803534
I got two, I am clearly the victor.
Blaming valve is stupid. If someone chokes to death on a Subway Sandwich you don't blame the sandwich artist that made the sandwich, you blame the person who tried to shove a 12 inch sandwich down their throat.
>>343803732
And they can just easily not rule it. If you are going by state law, then take a read at valve's state law towards gambling and then we can make a reasonable guess.
>>343803928
>CSGO is a trash game that is only really used for gambling
How about this image? Does it bother you?
>>343803991
oh it's on bitch. lets bring it down outside.
>>343804037
Then what the fuck is your point? Im saying there is a chance they are guilty. That's the whole point.
>>343802445
Valve is making digital items rare to induce you to gamble on opening crates.
If skins didn't have a rarity premium, they would only be worth their aesthetic value.
People aren't losing their shit because they get a super cool looking skin. They're losing their shit because they get a super expensive skin, mostly a function of rarity.
Imagine if Valve made a CSGO crate that had no weapon skins that you were interested in using, but had a knife skin that you could sell for $500. Are you going to be opening crates with the hope of getting weapon skins you don't want, or are you opening crates with the hope of winning $500?
Valve is selling you a $2.50 chance to win a digital prize. They are limiting the production of some prizes to increase their value, and induce gambling behavior by their users.
>>343801926
>An OK skin economy is one where the players can purchase the skin they want from Valve at an agreeable price.
then it ceases to be an economy and becomes plain old microtransactions
the whole thing works because it's a CHANCE at getting what you want or something valuable
>>343803192
I think you posted in the wrong thread
>>343804000
Yup, but the US can be really stupid with lawsuits and stuff.
SUBWAY SHOULD HAVE A WARNING CLEARLY STATING THAT ALL THEIR SANDWICHES MUST BE THROUGHLY CHEWED BEFORE SWALLOWED, OTHERWISE THEY ARE A CHOKING HAZARD WAITING TO HAPPEN!
>>343803814
who is this spunk punk?
>>343804000
trips of failure
Valve made the fucking microtransaction game where the crates themselves are gambling. Valve is just as responsible as the jackasses who make freemium mobile games.
>>343804136I was just joshing you cunt.
>>343804159
>Teleports behind you
*pat
It's over.
>>343804165
And I'm saying they are potentially innocent too. Just making a statement so people reading this argument also get there's another clear possibility.
>>343804000
>food analogies
>>343799380
this all works when all you hire is wageslaves, but imagine your top executive going on maternity leave.
Firing her ass and having someone else, probably a rival, hire her and have your reputation drop like a rock isn't going to be good for business.
Its the same reason why we don't lock workers in factories anymore
>>343792454
For some reason, even though I don't watch h3h3, Ethan seems like a huge hypocrite. Something about him just rubs me the wrong way.
>>343804273And I like excuses to dump anime
>>343804201
>to induce you to gamble on opening crates
And it only works on stupid people.
>Imagine if Valve made a CSGO crate that had no weapon skins that you were interested in using, but had a knife skin that you could sell for $500.
I blame video games when I'm tired from making money all day. The only people who dedicate time to trying to make money off of crates are neets and 13 year olds. So, like I said before, why is this a problem?
>>343804502
I play video games*
>>343803893
Okie dokie, armchair lawyer. If you want to talk about legal terms then don't mince them with common parlance.
>Hurr durr, you're autistic.
Regardless of the ethics of the gambling-system Valve set up, the CSGO Lotto owners GAMBLED ON THEIR OWN SITE. That is blatantly fraudulent. Anyone defending these two people in particular is an idiot. There's even proof of the guy logging into an admin account while gambling. They designed the rules of the site, of course they can rig the system in their favor. The CSGO Lotto owners need to be prosecuted, harshly.
>>343804000
it's more like when you buy the Subway Sandwich and you spin a wheel once. The Wheel can stop on a regular subway sandwich, a cum soaked rag, or a tiny chance for an italian wrap baked fresh by a hidden chef around the corner only using the best herbs and spices brought over from spain.
>>343787774
This is one of those things where Valve is probably almost completely in the clear legally but it still feels a bit shitty.
Like it's an M rated game so they can claim they made every effort for kids not to get involved, but it's obvious to everyone that the average CSGO player is probably under 18. They can claim they were never complicit and were unaware of those gambling sites, even if it's obvious to everyone that they were aware and were indirectly profiting on it.
I'm not a lawyer so I can't speak to the API argument, but I wouldn't be surprised if Valve got off scot-free here. And they probably should, even if I still feel a bit uneasy about it.The actual gambing sites and the youtubers are scummy as fuck though.
>>343804227
The problem is judges don't punish enough for frivolous lawsuits. They're afraid it'll have a chilling effect.
>>343804479
>Ethan seems like a huge hypocrite
He is. Leafy isn't allowed to make fun of people, but H3H3 is. SoFlo isn't allowed to make clickbait titles, but H3H3 is.
>>343787774
WEBM COMING IN.
Fuck these cunts.
I just feel bad for Tmart and whatever the fuck the other guy's handle is--now they'll always have a negative connotation with Independence Day.
>>343804268
No you dumbass, crates are not gambling, the skins have no inherent value.
Just because the Black Lotus card in Magic the Gathering is super rare doesn't give it an inherent value. It's only because other people are willing to pay an assload for a genuine version of it that it has any value at all. It's still fucking cardboard and worth the same amount as every other card.
>>343804479
the arguement is he is fishing for popularity while showing the negative aspects of said popularity using youtube and gambling.
It is part of the problem but desu there isn't a good solution for getting word to the stupid masses that they are being hoodwinked.
>>343804502
>gambling is addictive and has destroyed many lifes of successfull people already
>kids introduced very early to gambling isn't a problem
>implying you're not braindead
>>343804605
>im being a pedantic faggot and no one can stop me
>>343803775
>wanting more shootings to occur on a daily basis
Simply
ebin
>>343804626
Except with no cumrag. Any sandwich you'd get would be edible. There's not shit skin on CS:GO in terms of usability.
All of them are equally cosmetic.
>>343804864
you can eat a cumrag if you try hard enough
>>343804741
>crates are not gambling, the skins have no inherent value
>>343804857
>wanting to disarm law abiding citizens
>>343804857
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
>>343804789
>kid has the opportunity to spend enough money on shit like this for it to be a problem
>implying they aren't already fucked
The parents have already failed them if they get this far.
>>343804916
But you can't legally sell it in a sandwich store. It would be a health safety lawsuit waiting to happen and doesn't complay with the health laws most food places have to comply with to stay opened.
Which Valve follows to a T.
>>343804605
Not even part of this thread but you're a passive-aggressive faggot, probably with some psychological issues.
>>343804952
what don't you understand about that you fucking idiot
the skins have no value other than what people are willing to pay. the same could be said for a fucking funko pop mystery figure.
are gumball machines gambling too since you have a chance of getting a flavor you dont like?
If you disarm guns in america you get a massive uprising, plain and simple.
Who is going to want that?
>>343804952
Way to ignore the rest of the post, avatarfag.
>>343804227
Shit don't remind me, I just went through something similar today.
>NO ONE TOLD ME THIS WINDOWS PRODUCT COULD NOT BE USED ON A MAC
>(Windows logo on the front)
>THIS IS A FRAAAAAAAUD
I do not what is it with people, but yeah that situation you described it is completely plausible, in fact some scammer out there might be taking notes.
Consumers love to pretend they are the victims of evil corporations to make someone else responsible of their own retardation.
It is so dumb, producers need to wrap their stuff in warning labels these days. The days when you could just sell a product is over, you basically need to include a user manual and license agreement, which by the way is not even a legal binding contract, with something like a tangerine because consumers are, as we have seen, abusive.
>>343805082
kids having allowance and being able to save that allowance is a failure on parenting? are you trying to prove to me that you are braindead?
>tmartn deleted all his videos related to csgo betting
BTFO
>>343805162
yes because you could sell said gumball if you don't like said flavor
>>343798431
are you crowbcat?
>>343805201
Nah, disaming isn't the answer, but you know, maybe a psychological test before you are allowed to buy weapons, just to be sure you aren't mentally crippled and crazy.
>gambling laws around the world prevent children from being easily manipulated out of their money
>Valve doesn't think the rules apply to them and is completely fine with 12 year olds racking up thousands of dollars worth of debt on mommy's credit card
You can bitch and moan about "they should know better", the simple fact is that it's illegal.
>>343805320
HOLY SHIT HE DID IT
THE MADMAN
>>343805162
>the skins have no value other than what people are willing to pay
So their value is what people are willing to pay for them, so they have value, each one has a different value, and the more rare ones are more valuable. So when someone unlocks a crate they are GAMBLING for a more valuable item. Im not spelling it out for you any more than this, because if that wasn't enough youre just beyond helping.
>>343805301
The issue has always been underage gambling.
The lawsuit says is saying exactly this.
>>343805407
There are already psychological checks for guns. Stop spreading misinformation.
>>343805201
In an ideal world I'd prefer a state-run licencing system, but the gun issue is too politicized for any middle ground to ever happen.
Oh yeah, video games. Those gambling sites sure are shitty.
>>343804730
What is going on in this webm?
>>343805326
He probably is. That faggot shills here non-stop.
>>343804730
What an absolute retard. Holy fuck. They deserve to get fined into bankruptcy for being this unbelievably stupid alone.
>>343805301
Hey, US. The country where Kinder Eggs are banned because you can't have non-food items inside food without it being fully visible, EVEN THOUGH THE WHOLE POINT OF THE KINDS EGGS IS THE SURPRISE INSIDE AND IT'S CLEARLY WARNED IN THE LABEL.
>>343805325
The fact that some other dumbass is willing to pay for a gumball you had your grubby hands on doesn't make it gambling. It just makes him an idiot and you a quarter richer.
>>343805437
Valve doesn't own the gambling sites, that's like blaming a car dealership for chop shops.
>tmartn is currently deleting everything he can to hide his connection to csgo betting
>>343805710
>Valve doesn't own the gambling sites
The sites only work because Valve allows them to by giving them that official steam sign in things
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>>343802521
>watch some dumbass faggot reddit jew watch a propaganda youtube video and feed you an opinion
>I'M LEARNING HURRR!!!!!
I'm being 100% serious here. Kill. your. self.
>>343805586
He's faking a "huge win" on stream to attract kids to his gambling platform and realizes that he's still logged in as one of the platform bots that give out winnings to the players.
>>343805684
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/kinder-egg-toy-death-france-three-year-old-french-girl-chokes-a6822626.html
Oh hai
>>343805710
Except valve allows you to link your account with illegal gambling sites.
That's illegal and Valve might get rekt because of it.
Does anyone here want to play devil's advocate just for fun?
Maybe he has a split personality disorder?
Maybe he was forced to do this by a terrorist?
Whoopsie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYnLUUMBZJg
>>343805710
I'm not talking about the gambling sites, I'm talking about the key system being directly linked to a real money marketplace. For an easy comparison, look at pachinko. All you win is balls, but you can trade those balls next door for real items worth real money.
It's fine for a kid to gamble a few dollars in an arcade to earn enough tickets to buy a frisbee under strict adult supervision, it's quite another to have them with unrestricted access to betting that exceeds thousands of dollars in prizes.
>>343805551
Sorry, then they need STRICTER psychological checks.
Most of gun violence might not come from mentally disabled people, but people that rely on meds to keep themselves functional shouldn't be allowed to have guns, which happened several times already.
>>343805454
>>343805320
ADMISSION OF GUILT TOO STRONG
>>343800962
Nobody is suggesting that. The truth is that this entire issue has its roots in the micro-transactions business model of crates and keys which Valve (basically) created and popularized. This is just the natural, destructive result of what is a shitty business practice that's ruined 3 of the multiplayer franchises under Valve (as well as Steam).
The only reasonable way to fix these immoral business practices is for Valve to rapidly scale back its micro-transactions model. But that requires them to start focusing on game updates, so they won't. And it makes them millions of dollars a week, so they won't.
Obviously, there is no easy fix to this. Why you're defending it, though, is beyond me.
On my end, I just hope Valve gets sued out of the ass and people finally stop believing the stupid Gabe Newell memes. He's an awful, greedy man whose sole ambition is turning video-gaming into a cash machine.
>>343805139
Being patronizing to a retarded man-child is passive-aggressive faggotry? Please, fuck yourself, my man.
>>343804730
btfo btfo, why would you not have a laptop right next to u
>>343805710
>Valve doesn't own the gambling sites, that's like blaming a car dealership for chop shops.
they don't have to. just a cooperation would be illegal already.
>>343805684
It is not just in the U.S, any civilized country really.
Much like LGBT movements and other western bullshit, these politics spread world wide, except for China, were people do get fucked.
Basically one side over do the policies, and the other have none.
There should be an equally larger punishment to frivolous lawsuits.
>>343806081
Objectively false. Most gun violence come from illegal guns via gang violence.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
>>343805886
They just provide the API for those sites, what happens on these sites is beyond their control nor do they want to intervene anyway. The systems Valve has created do not provide the ability to gamble, it's all site based.
>>343806158
>Not wanting to coddle retarded people is "Defending" businessmen.
Okay, whatever you say.
These retards are going to waste their money one way or another, at least if it's wasted in the videogames industry I might see something out of it.
>>343805881
Also dumb, yes. But the statement is still true. hundreds of people die from falling out of their beds yearly, but even then you don't ban tall beds from the market.
>>343796356
Burden of knowledge? The law protects you from that? Are you being fucking serious right now?
You DO know that you have to comply with every single law that applies to you at any given point in time, placing the most ridiculously insane burden of knowledge on individuals that exists on any modern society?
How about you stop trying to be a condescending fuck and treating adults like literal children?
>>343806158
Remember that time Gabe Newell enticed a kid with a job offer so he could be federally prosecuted if he landed on US soil?
>Why did Gembe send that email? "Because I was sorry for what happened," he says. "I wanted them to know who did this thing, and that my intention was never for things to work out the way they did."
>But that wasn't all that Gembe was after. The young man saw a way he could create a positive outcome from his crime, both for Valve and himself. In a separate email, he asked if Newell would consider giving him a job.
>"I was very naïve back then," he says. "It was and still is my dream to work for a game development company, so I just asked. I hoped that they could forgive what I had done, mostly because it wasn't intentional."
>To Gembe's surprise, Newell wrote back a few days later saying yes, Valve was interested. He asked if Gembe would agree to a phone interview.
[...]
>The trio talked for 40 minutes. Any sense of guilt dissipated for Gembe in the presence of his heroes. But that was nothing compared to the adrenaline rush he felt when he received an invitation to a second interview. This one would be face-to-face at Valve's headquarters in Seattle, on American soil.
>Having set the trap, Valve and the FBI needed to obtain a visa for Gembe (and his father and brother, as he had asked if they could accompany him to the US).
>>343805806
>kys
Could you be any more cancerous?
>>343806430
So why ban guns?
>>343806385
>>343806385
That's not how the law looks at it. You have an obligation to proactively avoid illegal activity.
>>343805310
>I'll ignore what they are spending it on
Why are you acting like a half assed argument proves anything? Like I said, if your kid is going around spending all of their money on shit like this to the point where it's a problem, they are already fucked.
Not sure why I needed to repeat it. You should actually take the whole post into consideration before making an idiot out of your self
>>343806285
Read what I wrote again, anon.
I said it ISN'T the main cause of violence, but it shouldn't be ignored just because it isn't the MAJOR cause.
>>343805881
why give that to a three year old
If everything tmarten did was legal then why is he deleting all his shit?
>>343801926
Okay, and? Nobody is forcing you to use their service. You communist faggots are pathetic.
>>343806535
Never said that, anon. Read the conversation from the start.
>>343806575
>Most of gun violence might not come from mentally disabled people
>most of gun violence
>most
nigger please
>>343803856
I've got some personal examples, but you're right. No evidence has been brought up quite yet, but it is quite a vulnerable system for such a thing.
Streamers as well make a good laundering medium, and its further lubricated by using vaporware instead of cash, making a safe looking laundering scheme for online drug trading between supplier and dealers.
>>343806535
Their main function is to kill/injure...
>>343806674
>MIGHT NOT
>NOT
Are you american? Because you can't read basic english, so I assumed that much.
Do people not understand that the owners of a gambling website need a license to gamble in every state that you plan on having access to your shit? Not to mention the various different laws in each state.
>>343803421
>it is valve fault that the gaming community is literally full of niggers and slavshits ruining the fun of everyone else with bots, reselling sites and scripts.
That's hardly anything new
They're just moving onto F2P shooters and ASSFAGGOTS instead of P2W MMOs
>>343806753
In this case, looks like they just used their youtube money to kickstart the site. The site has all the proper documentation, according to the H3 video, so I don't think money laundering is involved in this case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1tH7f441c&feature=youtu.be&t=408 video of TMartn locked in as CSGOLottoBot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1tH7f441c&feature=youtu.be&t=408 video of TMartn locked in as CSGOLottoBot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1tH7f441c&feature=youtu.be&t=408 video of TMartn locked in as CSGOLottoBot
If you're retarded enough to fucking gamble large amounts of real money it's your own fucking fault
>>343804201
>Valve is making digital items rare to induce you to gamble on opening crates.
I've never bought crate. Know what else I've never done?
Gone to a tanning salon.
Gotten a tattoo.
Gotten a piercing.
Paid for a mobile game.
Bought cigarettes.
The list goes on and on. Funny thing is, I don't bitch that tanning salons, tattoo and piercing parlors, mobile developers, and tobacco companies are providing goods and services that people want.
isn't that weird? It's like there is something I don't like or am not interested in, so I choose not to participate in it.
Wow. Amazing.
>>343787774
Why are people mad at Valve? Stop gambling, losing and getting mad you fucking degenerates.
>>343801846
capitalism my man
>>343806810
And your main function is to be a little bitch
Shouldn't the sites that leverage the gambling be on the sight, not Valve? Unless they find someone from valve working directly with these companies that allow for underage gaming isn't this akin to suing the government for allowing paper money to exist, ergo allowing children to bet illegally if they get their hands on it and go to some shady guy on a corner to bet which puppy is cutest?
>>343801974
I decided after 2 years I wanted to get rid of all my cards and I had a lot of them.
Check what popped up. These are the screens you see when you click those buttons
>>343807075
>this is fine: the post
Apathy doesnt make you cool fag
>>343806559
if you aren't a helicopter parent you have no way to know everything they spend it on and a big part of giving kids allowance is to give them the oppurtunity to gain experiences and learn how be responsible with money themselves. but they shouldn't have an easy oppurtunity to get introduced to gambling. steam seems harmless and while yes, you need to know what your kids are doing you also need to give them freedom so they can learn how to make smart decisions on their own. you can only do this while trusting that easily available alcohol, gambling and other similar things isn't within their immediate reach. this is also the governments responsibility.
>>343807075
>if i ignore it, it's obviously not illegal
>ITT: /v/ thinks that children's lootbags at birthday parties are forms of gambling that should be stopped
>>343806623
nobody here is doubting he is guilty. valves guilt is being discussed.
>>343806983
I wonder if there is a way for complete anonymity between users trading cash online via skins.
Is there ever a point you have to include serious personal information?
Lets imagine then that you don't even need to trade to another user, but instead have your purchases go over a stream donation of say 5000 usd, where the streamer gets a cut and the money isn't traced after the streamer withdraws it from their bank account.
Would that be a good way to launder it I wonder.
>>343807217
this is normal. It is to catch anyone that makes more than 20 grand a year will have valve send a tax form to the government to make sure you pay your fucking taxes.
>>343798397
>Then explain to me why every single other country in the world has this policy and aren't dying due to lack of profits.
Because White people are extraordinarily capable, even under the most draconian regulation.
Ever notice how Africa never got anywhere even after Whitey built civilizations for them and handed over the keys?
Valve needs to crack down on anything related to gambling.
Ban the bot accounts, trade suspend the users that traded with those bot accounts, and going forward they need to monitor and look for gambling sites and punish accounts that use them
They also need to make a deal with twitch to stop the gambling streams.
And the reason I say this is: If they do not do this as soon as humanly fucking possible, the governments are going to step in, and that will not get pretty.
>>343806418
>These retards are going to waste their money one way or another,
By "these retards", you mean underage teens and children.
>at least if it's wasted in the videogames industry I might see something out of it.
It's the opposite. Why do you think Steam still has major UI issues? Why is CS:GO crippled by cheating, consistent bugs, imbalances, etc.? Why do you think Half-Life 3 has completely disappeared of the map? These business models fund deficiencies in other areas of development.
Why make a good game, or balance a map, or try something different, if you can make billions of dollars off of scamming teenagers from their parents' money? Only a complete and utter retard would say that this actually helps the videogame industry.
>>343806559
I suppose you also believe that liquor stores and pharmacies should allow selling to minors then, too, since hey, if they do it, they're already fucked?
When a kid buys a skin, it's not just because he's a retard. He's young and inexperienced and Valve, as well as third party sites, specifically prey upon that to rope them into an addictive activity. There is a reason that casinos are so heavily regulated.
>Valve was a good boy he dindu nuffin
>>343795205
Koreans were doing it way before them
>>343798978
>Instead it should be regulated to protect consumers.
Why?
>>343807516
valve will never do this
they make millions off the bot accounts and trade accounts
>>343807295
>if you aren't a helicopter parent you have no way to know everything they spend it on
Who the everloving fuck would give their kids unrestricted access to a credit card before they have their own? How the fuck is that helicoptering?
What's so hard about
>Hey mom/dad, can I buy this thing?
>Yeah sure
>Punch in credit card
>Don't save info
This shouldn't even be a fucking argument.
Hey guys, what's going on here?
>>343799827
>The communist asshole I live is "insert here any other country in the world"
Like Saudi Arabia? All of Africa?
>then don't hire women.
I'd love too be able to do that. Funny thing is, you communist faggots made it a crime to discriminate in hiring practices.
>>343807578
because when you don't that form of gaming replaces all other forms of gaming.
see overwatch, portal 2, any game with skin/hat technology
>>343787774
They're exploiting stupid idiots, so it's ok
>>343787774
>at Valve
The only thing I see Valve doing 'wrong' is the odds of getting rare drops which heavily influences prices.
My opinion is that gambling sites are w/e. I don't see anything wrong with them existing.
What I do have a problem with are the progamers, streamers, and tournaments that are advertising these sites when there are a ton of children watching. I can't blame them for accepting the sponsorship since they're getting paid very well. But kids are being led with deception that it's so simple, grab $50 and win $1000. I know, I know that "SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!" is silly, but imagine if Curry came out and started advertising that he won so much money off gamblingignoring that he doesn't need said change in his wallet. Nobody would accept it and he'd be kicked out of the NBA instantly. Which is why every sport typically prohibits advertisements of said nature.
>>343807643
>steam cards do not exist
your grasping at straws
>>343807475
If Valve can get in trouble with the IRS over fucking knife textures, then these items have real value, and as such they need to regulate their market.
>>343807516
I'd really love it if America just stepped the fuck in and seized everything. Valve are an absolute cancer on the industry at this point, their entire business plan is gambling for kidz and the stock market for kidz.
The gambling sites aren't even a big deal in my eyes, what Valve are doing in the first place is by far the most disgusting business practice around. People complain about Ubisoft for day one DLC, at least they aren't getting kids addicted to gambling.
>>343807476
Then why Japan and even China, 2 countries well known for their ruthless work ethics and laws, also grant maternity leave and are doing just fine?
You know it doesn't have to be 6 months, right? Some few months to let the woman heal her cooch and breastfeed her kid for a while.
>>343807757
>>343807757
>exploiting children
>ok
>>343787774
Only issue I could see would be if it's being done by people under the age of 18.
I
>>343807602
Then they are subjecting themselves to harsh, insane government regulation.
History lesson: This is why the ESRB exists. ESRB is not a government body, but instead a self-policing board created years ago during the moral panic of videogames. If it wasn't done, the government was going to have to step in and do shit, which will always been heavy handed, incorrect, and crippling.
>>343807818
And how are these kids buying steam cards?
>>343807682
Magic cards are fucking taxable, knife textures aren't. Do you see a problem here?obviously not, you are retarded after all
>>343807297
So what if it's illegal?
>>343807310
Yeah because people are making money hand over fist by the millions with kids goodie bags.
Is this mainly an American complaint due to some states' weird laws about gambling?
>>343807928
with their allowance. we went over that part already.
>>343807736
What, does demand for other forms of games not exist?
>>343807873
IMO if you grant maternity leave you should grant general parental leave and just give less of it. Equality and all that.
>>343807704
No, I literally meant ANY OTHER COUNTRY. Japan, China, Sweden, Mexico, Brazil, Portugal, etc.
All of them have maternity leaves.
Also as long as you don't say it was due to that, then you aren't discriminating. Is it that hard to find a more qualified male worker for a job?
>>343808060
In most 1st world countries, exploiting children is illegal.
>I can sue people on my birthday because I gave them presents with good worth on their birthday and all these presents they're giving me is RNG shit.
>>343808210
There's no cost to open a gift
>>343808172
And some countries are doing just that. Paternity leaves are becoming a growing trend.
Completely agree.
>>343807928
>hey mom I REAAAAAAAAALLY WANT THIS
>MOM
>PLEAAAAAAAAAAASE
>buys skin and keys
>enjoys it
>Sees his favorite streamer winning big bucks off gambling
>Kid thinks that he can get more skins
>rip skins
>>343808121
How is that F standing up?
>>343808060
Honestly no one ITT should care about the legality. What ought to matter to us is who is and who isnt a scumbag.
>>343807978
Oh, I see. It's only bad because Uncle Sam isn't getting his cut.
>>343808181
Sending them to public schools to be indoctrinated into cultural marxism is fine tho
>>343789920
Fucking this
>>343808321
But I had to give them presents on holidays/birthdays.
Just because the pay off was longer doesn't mean it wasn't illegal.
You all are a bunch of a fucking communist cunts. Children aren't supposed to be able to have credit cards or have access to them, its the parents failure.
You're a fucking failure at life if you disagree with me.
>>343798978
Fuck off, idiot.
Consumer protection is important so you don't get bread which is full of iron nails but gets marketed as "bread now with extra iron!"
But with stupid shit like that you ridicule the concept of consumer protection.
>>343808060
skins have no value :^)
-Valve
>>343808013
how does the amount of revenue have any bearing or relevancy to the act itself? does it become gambling just because people start buying the contents of the bag? holy shit, this is some reddit teir bullshit.
>>343808431
>You all are a bunch of a fucking communist cunts.
What do you expect? The Permanent Revolution marches on.
>>343808210
If you cant make an argument in the frame of what is actually happening its better that you just dont post.
>ITT: Corporate shills try to explain gambling
Face the facts, you drop in 5 dollars for a chance to get an item where most of the time, you aren't getting your money back. Valve has provided and supported multiple ways for this to be used as financial returns and monetary purposes as well.
Its not "harmless kids fun", its literal fucking gambling
>>343808430
no you don't. the implication of a gift is that you dont have to give anything in return.
>>343808181
I was more talking about some states' attitudes to gambling in general rather than this specific example.
>>343808360
I am in complete agreement that these csgolotto fucks should be investigated.
>>343807545
Shame Steam has turned into a casino and a dump site for shite games.
>>343808459
How long do you think a company that sold bread with nails in it would be profitable?
Also, why do you think a government (which is made of people with interests) will be somehow a better moral agent than a business (which is made of people with interests)?
>>343808431
they don't need credit cards to buy things of steam.
>>343807978
>knife textures aren't
they are unless you buy them on black market.
Valve actually takes tax for every market transaction.
>>343808170
nope because demand is artificially made by marketing
>>343807912
>le ESRB exists post
You've made this same post in every one of these threads, which is bizarre considering the time span, but no, the ESRB has NOTHING to do with anything discussed in this thread. The ESRB is for rating games, not regulating the companies that make them. They can't tell Valve what to do nor would they, because this gambling thing is purely user-driven and done via Steam and third party websites, not CS:GO.
>>343808535
But I got my skin. That's what I paid for. If you are spending money on a crate expecting anything more than a gun skin, that's on you.
>>343808342
And kid learns valuable lessons
>>343807978
They are though.
I dont understand these fuccbois were already making bank with youtube with 20 million subs and apparently a 1 million dollar house and they decide they want more?
>>343808535
N-no the value is only percieved. Stop being sensible! If you think that then you think a gumball machine is gambling too! STOP BEING MEAN TO MUH VALVE
>>343808578
But that's not how people work and you know it.
>>343807075
>Gone to a tanning salon.
>Gotten a tattoo.
>Gotten a piercing.
>Bought cigarettes.
All of these are illegal for underage children, and they are for a reason. Valve should not be exempt while it's making millions off of it.
>>343807643
>hey mom, can you buy me cs:go?
>okay
>don't save info
>oh wowie, i leveled up 30 times and now i have a pool of low-quality item skins through random drops and a whole bunch of crates
>man, if only i could open those crates
>hey mom can i have 15 bucks to "buy a game"?
>okay
>don't save info
>wowie, look at all these items
>what's this? a gambling site where i can triple my items? and this twitch streamer (with undisclosed financial ties to the gambling site) is winning big!
>damn i lost so many items
>hey mom, can i have 50 bucks to "buy a game"?
>>343808703
This. Read the transaction window when you sell something on the steam market. Part goes to valve and part goes to taxes.
Hence why you have to give your personal info when you get/spend more than 100 bucks on the steam market, for TAX reasons.
Why's all this outrage aimed at Valve specifically over third party gambling sites? And why's this all suddenly springing up just today? Other games have had third party gambling bullshit going on for over a fucking decade, particularly MMOs. You have to go through yet another third party to convert this shit to cash anyways. Shit's scummy but it's not anything new, and as dumb as the whole crate system is these other sites certainly aren't the fault of any actual game devs.
>>343808802
why wouldn't they?
>>343808749
By your logic, casinos could avoid regulation by giving back one chip when someone loses. And it'd also be perfectly ethical to let kids partake.
>>343808817
>Get BTFO by gumball analogy.
>Try to twist it to make it sound irrational.
Man I wish I was this mad.
>>343808431
>j-just ignore the fact a corperation is corrupt and beat your kids some more
Nothing like waking up to the smell of Bush era republicans
>>343787774
https://youtu.be/_8fU2QG-lV0
If anything that just goes to show how corrupt YouTubers are. Only trust big outlets that make a living off their reputation and not some fickle memers.
>>343808924
A youtuber made a video about it.
>>343808703
Valve making a profit and the government applying sales tax is two completely different things. Why do you think steam bucks aren't transferable to real dollars? Any money already in the system is a gain for valve, and the cut they take removes the digital steam bucks from the economy and thereby removing their obligation.
>>343808060
Mostly involving age restrictions on gambling.
If we can truly classify random drop systems where items can be traded/sold for actual currency as gambling, then Valve broke the one consistent rule among all states that tolerate gambling right in half.
>>343808747
Not the same anon who has been posting it as an example, but I meant it in terms of "Police yourselves, or else"
But you raise a good point. If a game has systems that can lead to gambling, the ESRB should tag that and crank up the rating as appropriate :^)
>>343809014
Your A=B argument is trash and so are you
>>343809038
>Not letting your children use your CC is "Beating them"
Nothing like the smell of liberal hugbox faggots.
Have you ever considered NOT buying keys?
We might as well crackdown on that quarter prize machines at the mall, since some prizes are more coveted than others even if you're guaranteed one.
>>343809013
Yes, if all it was promised was the chip and the Casino only swapped chips for other chips with no inherent value.
If there's a third-party market willing to give money for said no-value chips, the casinos can't be held accountable.
>>343808802
You do know how much money cycle through these gambling sites, right?
>CSGOLotto retains an 8% house edge on each round, discounted in skins.
Their youtube revenue is nothing in comparison.
>>343809210
You don't sell plastic rings for thousands of fucking dollars.
>>343807295
>if you aren't a helicopter parent
If you can't keep an eye on online transactions you're a fucking idiot and should not be allowed to have children
>>343809086
I don't understand what you are saying, I think you don't understand what you are saying.
>>343809158
Its not kids though, dumb redneck.
Literally anyone could get scammed and hooked onto this shit. Its literal fucking gambling
>>343798978
This is actually been bothering me for a while, but how are these box and key schemes not considered gambling already under the law?
The mobile industry is entirely founded on gambling, except people spend MORE money on it than the actual casino industry.
>>343809210
NAH ANON. NOBODY CAN RESIST THE ALLURE OF EASY MONEY AND YOU HAVE TO BE SUPERHUMAN TO USE SOME SELF-CONTROL!
ARE YOU SUPER HUMAN, ANON?
>valve gets enough buzz for tf2 threads to be viable on /v/ again
holy shit
>>343801329
>>when buying packs of cards you are guaranteed cards that are playable
Tell that to fucking wizards and their limited run sets.
>>343809345
>scammed
You know what you signed up for you baby dicked faggot.
"WOW HOW WAS IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW I COULD DIE IF I GOT DEPLOYED IN THE MILITARY WHAT A FUCKING SCAM AHAHAHAHAHA"
>>343809273
The casino still takes a cut from the third party transaction. Nice try.
>>343809128
Except that the ESRB can't :^) Because I explained that none of this involves the game itself :^) "Online interactions not rated by the ESRB" is not just there because they felt like it, it's there because it both cannot be and is not rated by the ESRB.
>>343799936
It's regular people who give that black space value too, doesn't make it any less morally reprehensible.
>>343791303
I bet you support Trump and you don't even know he's pro trans people
The random loot box mechanic in non f2p games is such a depressing future for gaming. I still bust out timesplitters 2 when friends are round and the game has so much fucking content, all on the disk, all accessible. Why does timesplitters 2 feel fresher and more advanced than today's games?
>>343809432
Hope so. I'm actually starting to get in the mood for some TF2 again, with all this overwatch jerking off happening lately.
>>343809409
It's not gambling in and of itself because the items you get don't have a monetary value despite their rarity.
Not until you can put a tangible market value on an item, and when it can be bought and sold outside of the context of the game, can it be considered gambling because payout is now perfectly visible.
>>343809338
kids do not need credit cards to purchase things on steam. how fucking often does this have to be said in this thread?
>>343801148
Pot calling the kettle black as usual.
>But I made my money back!
If you even thought that you need to really stop posting for a minute and think about why you are an idiot. It will seriously help you in your future decisions.
>>343801329
>when buying packs of cards you are guaranteed cards that are playable
>>343787774
Honestly I don't think making money interacting with strangers in an entertaining light is a crime or shady. Economics is the art of bullshit tyranny.
How do I scam these kids? I never heard of these faggots before and now I find out they're living in million dollar homes.
HOW DO WE GET THAT KIND OF MONEY? WHERE DO YOU START>?
>people are defending corporation tactics is fucking up this hobby even more.
Yeah, fine. don't complain when they start adding Korean MMO "stamina" system so that you have to buy a item with real money to kepp playing your games
http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/tmartn/realtime
.
people really seem to care
>>343807545
>Alcohol
So I assume you just let your child go out and get plastered from the several means of accessing alcohol as a minor because "the gov't will raise my child"?
If a kid is buying enough shit from third party websites for it to be a problem, it should have been curtailed beforehand. It's an issue easily controllable by a parent.
>Thousands of dollars for a virtual knife
I don't play csgo so this is the first time I've heard of this bullshit. What the fuck, you can probably pay somebody less than 100 bucks to make an identical real knife.
Is this guy in the video a jew? if so disregard. also valve gets into legal trouble all the time.
>>343809409
to loophole around the law one must
transform real currency to artificial currency
give you "something" in exchange for that fake currency, so long as you get something in exchange and the money used is no longer real currency.
it is the same logic used for all artificial currency systems, from EA games, to iphone games, and gambling casinos who use chips.
The difference is casinos got caught and laws changed. But since chips were already being used they kept them since they already invested in the setup.
>>343809409
Why are you so eager to hand over control of an industry to the government? Are you a retard?
>>343808924
>big youtuber makes video exposing another big youtuber that never disclosed he was the owner of the website as he advertised it as a new fun gambling site
The Valve part I don't understand. They are scummy by making 1% drops and the community is retarded with the need of rare skins. I don't see how people are saying Valve is making millions off gambling sites when the huge sums are being sold through various sites, not the steam market.
>>343803369
>>343803609
You guys are fully aware it is 100% a federal crime to hold a platform to support gambling, AND to encourage the gambling to get worse, right?
This is 100% Valves fault
>>343807763
>I can't blame them for accepting the sponsorship since they're getting paid very well.
The real issue is that some of those actually OWn said gambling sites.
>>343808116
>put dollar in disk tray
>nothing happens
>"MOM GET THE CREDIT CARD"
Are you retarded? Did you not stop to process how the child can get money onto the internet without their parents? Or do you think kids sneak out at night to buy Valve cards without their parents noticing?
>>343809884
Good thing Valve does neither of those things
>>343809802
>transform real currency to artificial currency
the weird thing about that is that steam wallet money, whenever it's put into the steam system is money that's technically owned by valve. that's where this gets shady.
>>343809741
>Corporation has all these failsafes and confirmations
>Does everything in it's power to make sure it's doing shit legally
>Do something illegal with something you bought, which is yours and not Valves because news flash retard, you put money down on it
>It's da ebil corporations that made you gamble your skinnies
>>343805486
Not him but in Valve defense every skin has a value of $2,49 USD, and they are usable in game.
That the community does not want to buy your skin for said price it is another matter altogether. You are trying to force the community into this matter when it is an external issue.
Hence, you are retarded, goldebergstein
>>343809739
get a operator business license somewhere
set up a website
have someone do the programming for casino style jackpots
connect to steam
>>343787774
I think people are being bloody idiots for buying all that useless crap for real money, and I think Valve are displaying gross recklessness in orchestrating and faciliating it.
There is nothing wrong with this.
Children from rich families spending indiscriminately on small business is good for the economy. Mommy and daddy have too much money sitting around.
>>343799380
>1. The kid doesn't help my fucking company, so I don't give a fuck what she's doing when she's not at the job site.
You're going to cry a different tune once your average American family produces <1 child each. That, or you'll learn to appreciate the new USA being 40% black, 40% hispanic, 20% "other" which, given your overall tone and way of conduct in this thread, seems like something you would not approve... unless you're secretly a liberal-marxist communist fuckface and that was your agenda all along: to destroy those insidious whites.
You dirty commie.
>>343808353
look at the bottom base. it's thicker than you think it is
>>343801992
Steambux are taxable by the IRS, ergo it's gambling for money.
>>343791303
>tfw my good friends at work who are pretty swell lads in many regards are always trying to get me to watch his reaction video garbage
fucking sucks
>>343809851
Valve facilitates this behavior and get their cut in key money, like when you buy chips at a casino.
The difference is Valve doesn't actually lose money when someone hits the jackpot because it costs NOTHING to reproduce textures.
>>343805801
Is anyone saving this? I want the turbo jew to actually go to jail in one way or the other, so his ass can get penetrated by bubba.
He deserves the assfuck.
>>343809759
>100 bux
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CS-GO-MA-4019-karambit-fade-knife-Counter-Strike-csgo-collectible-Karambit-camping-handmade-hunting-knife/32606394602.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_5_10037_10017_406_10032_10040,searchweb201603_11&btsid=afe6c20f-640c-4ecb-bd70-142e504de454
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>>343809741
IT'S SIMPLE: DON'T PLAY VIDEO GAMES YOU DON'T LIKE
THAT'S IT
STOP BEING A FUCKING RETARDED STATIST COMMIE
IT'S JUST VIDEO GAMES
>>343808829
So is the mom unable to say "no" to her child? Is that the argument being made? Is the mom unable to check where her money is going, either by being present when the child spends it, or by seeing her transaction history once, and deciding from then on that her child is a lying shit?
If that's all you needed to do to fool your parents, your parents were worthless and should not have children let alone be allowed to manage their own finances.
>>343810117
>Being anti lazy faggot is "Communist"
>>343810092
>There is nothing wrong with this
How about the permeation of the cancer that is the key&crate system
>>343809465
They don't. In this analogy, the third party would be Paypal or any other service of money sharing.
In this analogy, the casino gets money when you pay for a chip or when you trade it for another chip inside the casino, getting 2% of the chips costs, 1% which will go to pay taxes related to this transaction.
Valve isn't making any crazy money through the betting sites, except through the trading of said items through the steam market, which doesn't give them any money through betting pools, because people are giving items to a virtual bot that then gives back to the person who one, with no money changing hands, so valve doesn't get any money.
>>343791303
>Politely apologizing for having offended part of his fanbase
WOW WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT
>>343810215
>IT'S SIMPLE: DON'T PLAY VIDEO GAMES YOU DON'T LIKE
That has absolutely nothing to do with the legality of gambling, you fucking weeb
The entire point is that we're extending BEYOND video games.
>>343810018
>making a system where a player puts in 5 bucks in to get a reward that is worth value
>most likely not going to make the money back
>adds system to SELL items for money
>support websites that are literal fucking gambling pots
>V-Volvo a gud boi he dindu nuffin
How much of these cunts do you think defend paid mods?
>>343808924
Third rate parents feeling guilt over being unable to keep track of their own credit card history and letting a 12 year old out smart them. That's the only argument so far.
>>343810347
I have seen billions of ads of online gambling sites on TV.
how is this different?
>>343810192
someone make a new thread
this ones about to die
>>343810192
him "deleting" shit is the worst thing he can do.
the internet doesnt forget.
>>343810346
>apologizing for offending trannies
Thats morally reprehensible. Trannies deserve the worst possible treatment for polluting the minds of society at large.
>>343801082
>If you aren't over the age of 18 please do not proceed to this website
But I bet you watched porn before you were 18 you stupid fucking faggot.
>>343810452
Did a "professional youtuber" make a video about it?
>>343810267
I've seen through your lies, commie. Nothing you say will save you when the Eagle awakens again, dirty socialist. Just wait until the day of the rope, you libertarian.
>>343806385
That's like saying that just because a ham sandwhich doesn't go with watermelon, you still need lemonade as well.
>>343810375
>support websites that are literal fucking gambling pots
Do they? Last time I checked they did everything in their power to stop them.
>>343810519
Don't cut yourself on that edge.
>>343809961
>Or do you think kids sneak out at night to buy Valve cards without their parents noticing?
wtf is your thought process? kids aren't supervised 24/7 and can easily buy a card at a supermarket with their allowance.
>>343806487
>HE DINDU NUFFIN
>HE A GOOD BOY
Ha, you are pathetic.
>>343810618
Am I wrong?
>>343809936
You're right, but if they disclosed it then I don't see the problem.
Though the real issue in my opinion is exploiting children through their favorite streamers, progamers, and tournaments. Again, no sport today would accept said advertisement to be allowed. What's sad is that the pornhub team was banned from tournaments since they were sponsored by a pornsite.
>>343810519
>/v/ still shittalking trannies like they've ever met one
you guys are so pathetic honestly, picking on the easiest-to-hate minority
>>343809669
>If you can't keep an eye on online transactions you're a fucking idiot and should not be allowed to have children
Do you really think a credit card is the only way to keep track of it? Like I said, you shouldn't be allowed to have kids. You're a fucking idiot
>>343810612
This entire debacle is about them NOT stopping a corrupt and malicious gambling website
So no, they don't
>>343810623
>People have money
>This people send this money as they please
>I should have problem with this
>>343810092
>nothing wrong with kids getting hooked on gambling because their "Mommy and daddy have too much money sitting around."
>>343810452
They're encouraging kids to play through lies and deception and making bank from it.
>>343807882
>its teh same as le trafficking
kill yourself
>>343810725
i've met one
she cried for 20 minutes in spanish class because the teacher told her she underperformed on an assignment
trannies are fuckin weird
>>343809745
>If a kid is buying enough shit from third party websites for it to be a problem, it should have been curtailed beforehand.
Right, except the problem is getting noticed by parents once it has developed into an addiction. Parents may not know whenever their kid is consuming alcohol, they'll only find out once consumption has spiraled out of control.
>It's an issue easily controllable by a parent.
It's not. It is a recent phenomenon, which parents may not know about. On top of that, it's incredibly easy for kids to lie about the nature of their transaction. They can ask money for games, and use it to fund their gambling addiction, just as kids can ask money from their parents for various reasons but use them to fund alcohol and drug addictions. That's why there's a reasonable expectation, while parents watch their kids, that on the other end stores don't sell to minors and don't specifically market to minors either.
>>343810265
See above.
>>343810632
>/pol/ meme
>but defends greedy corporate practices
You people will really go through any length to defend a soulless corporation that's ruined 4 (FOUR) video-game franchises.
>>343810789
how can they STOP them?
They have no connection to this businesses only thing that connects the two entities is API that anyone can use.
new thread
>>343810882
>>343808371
>Oh, I see. It's only bad because Uncle Sam isn't getting his cut.
Spoken like a wannabe criminal.
>>343810704
>You're right, but if they disclosed it then I don't see the problem.
That's exactly the problem. They didn't disclose it until well after they were found out.
>>343810215
Oh wow, I didn't know a company actually being PUNISH for corruption and trying to pioneer off of gambling is a "communist" mindset
Fuck, people don't lie when they say the average /v/irgin sucks corporate cock. Why do I even browse this board of underages?
>>343810848
I see nothing wrong with kids gabling, I don't understand what is the big deal about.
>>343810346
a) he didn't make fun of any trannies and no one was offended
b) he put up this comment before he even made the video live. it was the first comment on the post. it'd be one thing if he offended someone and genuinely apologized, but preemptively apologizing to people who arent offended is doing nothing but saving face and trying to make yourself look like a good guy.
>>343810176
But they don't. Everything that these gambling sites are using you can use yourself for w/e the fuck you want. The API is just to make people feel 'safe' when they're gambling and we could argue that Valve should blacklist said site.
They're not the ones raking in the small percentage of every bet.
>CSGOLotto retains an 8% house edge on each round, discounted in skins.
>>343810623
And what will they do when their allowance runs out? Ask their parents for more? And when the parent asks where it's going? If you think a kid should be able to easily fool their parents out of money, you've got issues.
Literally nothing wrong.
It's all voluntary.
No need to participate if you don't want.
Some people enjoy it despite the losses, who are you to decide.
Don't like it, don't participate in it.
>>343810697
Absolutely.
>>343810930
Not have them use their sign in/account features?
Or better yet, tell them to NOT use their property to run this shit?
>>343810921
>they'll only find out once consumption has spiraled out of control.
If they are a horrible parent, sure. Like I said, it's an issue only as much as bad parenting is an issue. It's incredibly easy to lie to bad parents.
I don't know how you're even trying to argue that kids can easily ask their parents for money and lie like it's not helping my argument of shitty parenting.
>>343811120
Those little bets do add up.
>>343811120
>And when the parent asks where it's going?
That's when they find out about the gambling problem, anon.
>>343811070
Really? You see nothing wrong with kids engaging in a highly addictive and self-destructive activity?
>>343811180
DUDE LOL JUST DO T DO IT LMAO
What about how it sucks ass and I want to complain about it.
>>343811120
the problem with it is that they are already introduced to gambling now. gambling is very addictive and addicted people often lie and try to get money any way they can. through peers or grandma or anybody else who crosses their path.
>>343811195
Faggot
>>343811296
When they ask as soon as their allowance runs out? That means it hasn't had enough time to develop into anything.
If you're only finding out about this shit by the time it's a problem, you're a bad parent. You're only supporting my argument.
>>343801926
What about Pokemon cards then? Those contained some rare shiny shit that kids creamed their pants over.
>>343810994
It's just Valvedrones being Valvedrones. It's astounding how there are still so many people sucking Gabe's dick in light of Valve's shitty practices in recent years.
>>343811219
>Or better yet, tell them to NOT use their property to run this shit?
What shit, they need to make proper rules not "please don't use for your shit"
>>343808459
>Consumer protection is important so you don't get bread which is full of iron nails but gets marketed as "bread now with extra iron!"
Which literally never happens.
Consumer protection, much like syndicates, were good ideas that grown corrupted under the guise of idealism, and imbeciles like yourself.
>>343811431
Great comeback, now I can take you seriously.
>>343810725
>enabling mental illness and playing into their fantasies
luckily a lot of them will kill themselves
>>343811405
What allowance are you giving your children? If you're worried that every $5 is a gateway to the end of your child's life, you might as well strap him in armor when he walks to his bus in the morning.
>>343810040
stop beign stupid. we know pretty much that this industry runs into making the players insane addict be it for gamble systems or completing challenges. and shit have only been getting worse since last generation and abusive DLC route.
>>343810215
I'm not a communist you entitled fuck. this thing right here goes beyond video games. But since you are using a IM@S pic I kinda of expect you to be a dumb person who goes nut into the shitty idols and their easy way to abusive reclusive nerds while getting the dick from rich people behind the scene
>>343810758
oh enlighten me. how you keep track of valve cards, money from relatives, peers and anybody else before the addiction is already apparent?
>>343811195
Yea its wrong to not like people who cut their dicks off and play dress up. Its wrong to not like people that have 10 year olds injected with hormones that ruin their body by the time they grow out of that shit(or kill themselves, trannies love to kill themselves)
>>343811316
I disagree that it's highly addictive or self-destructive.
all it is fun, people who have self-control will have no problem not gambling everything they own.
people without self-control will be the once suffering from gambling addiction, weather they are young or not.
>>343811295
>Give child monthly allowance
>Allowance is very small and on it's own, incapable of much of anything
>If child asks for money that month, get to the bottom of where it's going
Not sure where he goes off the deep end as long as you're doing at least that much to monitor him.
>>343809667
I'm asking why you are allowed to make people gamble when they aren't even winning money. It's literally worse than gambling because they don't even get a monetary return 48% of the time.
>>343809832
Why do you believe that exploitative industries should not be regulated?
>>343811749
>Yea its wrong to not like people who cut their dicks off and play dress up
Why would you give a shit? It's their body, not yours.
>Its wrong to not like people that have 10 year olds injected with hormones that ruin their body by the time they grow out of that shit
That's a whole different issue altogether. That is fucking stupid, and even a lot of trannies will agree on that.
>>343811709
>child gets money from me
>If he asks for more I'm able to ask where the money I gave him went
>if he needs more, I'm the one making the purchase
Not very difficult. You're stretching if you have to include relatives like he's dropping in on Mister Lister every day for money.
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