>deletes all his csgo videos about csgo gambling websites
>claims he wasn't the owner of the website at the time he made the video/s
is it happening?
>>343810882
>A graph that shows someone lost 20 subscribers
Thanks OP
>>343810882
First for Valve is cancer
>>343810882
old thread
>>343787774
>>343810882
It'll only be happening if he actually gets taken to court for this.
Anything less than that, he practically gets away with it.
Lets see how long it takes for the Valvedrone and corporate shills to get here
>people WILL defend getting kids hooked on gambling, and a shitty, destructive business model because m-muh precious Valve dindu nuttin, they a good company
>>343810882
Eh he is just grasping at straws now...Syndicate may be safe but this dude is going to jail.
valve did nothing wrong. they're literally losing money every steam sale because they want to give us, the gamers, something back.
>>343810882
i hope his ass rots in jail for encouraging the cancer that's been eating away at esports and competitive games in general
>>343810882
yes
>>343810882
His twitter got hacked a few minutes ago.
https://ourmine.org/news/2016/07/04/we-got-access-to-tmartn-accounts/
>>343811094
i gave up on valve
what do i do first?
>>343810882
I love how people still don't understand how internet operates even though they make their livelihood through it.
>if I delete it, it means it's gone for good
>>343811241
>it wasn't me
>it was the hackers!
this thread will probably be flooded with valvedrones because of the autistic CSGO fanbase.
muh skins
muh skins
never mind that over 90% are ugly as shit but
muh skiiiiiiins
Literally nothing wrong.
It's all voluntary.
No need to participate if you don't want to.
Some people enjoy it despite the losses, who are you to decide.
Don't like it, don't participate in it.
>>343811518
And some kids under 18 can gamble their money away without question or resistance by valve.
>>343811518
>this is what ancap retards actually believe
>>343811518
>Literally nothing wrong
Literally false
Let me ask you all this:
How would you fix things?
>>343811518
Its the matter of principle that Valve is trying to fucking scam its own userbase by supporting kikes and making obvious law bypasses
But hey, Valvedrones gonna Valvedrone
>>343811660
If they have credit cards and fake their identity, Valve isn't held accountable.
Have less shitty parents, america.
>>343811802
Make microtransactions illegal
>>343811518
This has almost nothing to due with valve two popular youtubers were caught promoting/using a CS:GO gambling site without disclosing they in fact owned the company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8fU2QG-lV0
>ignore the first ten minutes where he cries about how he lost money and its all valve's fault.
>>343811905
Yes they are
They're allowing a system in the game that is clearly fucking illegal, in an age where ESRB is clearly unenforced
>>343811803
but valve doesn't support them?
CSGO doesn't notify me that I can gamble my shit away when I launch it.
And the steam market isn't gambling
Alright guys, there's all this talk about this guy getting punish or going to jail, or going down.
But has anyone actually filed or is planning to file a case against him?
>>343812024
there is something filed
but they filed it against Valve
>>343812023
>valve doesn't support them
They voluntarily allow it. The sites couldnt function without valves permission
>>343812023
>but valve doesn't support them?
They whitelist bots and sites that allow you to link your Steam account.
By not performing proper due diligence, Valve is negligent.
>>343811995
trumptards everyone...
What's the difference between that and Microtransaction games?
>>343812184
no they don't
all they do is get more bots than they had previously, bots still get cool downs.
>>343811995
ESRB holds exactly 0 legal power
>>343812283
you cant make money off of most miscrotransactions.
>>343812184
no they don't. Anyone can do that you know.
I know about 3 clan websites where they post gore and porn on their forums every day.
They have the steam login as well integrated into their forum.
And what about TF2 stuff? Outpost, Raffle, Scrap, etc?
>>343812139
Well if its only Valve, then this Tmartin guy gets off scot free.
>Stupid people lose money
>Assholes lose social status
Nature is working. Just lean back and enjoy the show.
>>343812509
this was filed way before Tmartin was found as owned of website he is promoting.
>>343810882
Now I can understand tmartin and whatever else going to jail, judging by the h3h3 video I've seen they are doing some shady shit.
But does this really have to do Valve? I saw no evidence that they were directly supporting these sites, at worst it just seems like they were turning a blind eye, which is still wrong in its own right. But they don't seem to be affiliated.
>>343810882
You didn't know who he was until the jewish youtube morality police (who coincidentally have deleted most of their shady and reprehensible videos since blowing up) told you about him. Literally kill yourself, faggot.
>>343812765
Protip: No one is going to jail if no one files a case against them.
So stop talking like they automatically go to jail if their scam gets uncovered like this.
Doesn't TF2 have a similar system?
You buy keys and other items hoping they go up in value and sell them
>>343812872
>Literally kill yourself
It is illegal to tell someone or suggest to someone that they commit suicide.
You are literally breaking the law right now. Please stop.
>>343812872
This again?
Who would've thought a popular youtuber would raise awareness on an issue.
>>343813004
all the key and chest started with Dota2
but in all of the valve games you have 3 drops a week.
>>343813060
No, it's not. The case your image is referencing has a girl literally telling her BF to get back into the car he was trying to suffocate himself in
>>343813004
Yes
>>343812872
who the fuck are these two and why are they all over the place recently
i watched some of their videos and it was just yelly reaction videos
>>343812872
I find it really funny that people like H3H3 try to take the moral high ground when shitting on people like Keemstar for trying to start drama and being content police
But then proceed to try and police the internet by using their fanbase as a hammer to harass and threaten other smaller youtubers or content creators or whatever.
I could give less of a shit either way, but the fact that they do both makes it fucking dumb. I really don't understand how they have a fanbase from making wacky ironic humor videos and being jews.
I honestly can't believe it's legal to make all these skin gambling sites and that Valve hasn't done something against it.
Not only have skins ruined the CS community but they managed to ruin steam too by getting scammed so much.
>>343811123
I have a PS4 and a Wii U. I don't own a gaming PC. I've never had Steam installed on a single computer I've ever owned in my life.
You are paying for a CSGo skin when you buy that crate. You get a CSGo skin when you buy that crate. There is no middle ground here. If you're buying it to flip it, that's on you. Valve doesn't regulate the prices or the market for the skins. It's entirely player driven. If you're buying a randomized item to make money off of it, that is your fault. Valve is not selling the possibility of becoming rich off of a $2.50 bet, they are selling a skin. Anything beyond that isn't on valve.
>>343813148
tf2 did it first you ape
>>343812218
What did he mean by this..?
>>343813217
They channeled their ancient forbidden Jew magic and were granted a mastery of YouTube shilling skill.
3 babies were killed in the process.
>>343813060
No, it isn't. Kill yourself.
>>343813245
reason being most of their fanbase are impressionable teenagers, i'd wager
>>343813329
tf2 ahd random drop system and crafting system first, keys came from Doto
>>343813245
H3H3 is the SJW version of MDE. Just watch MDE
PLEASE LET THE LONG ARM OF THE LAW FINALLY REGULATE THIS MANIPULATE HORSESHIT, GET YOUR GAMBLING OUT OF MY GAMES.
MAKE VIDEO GAMES GREAT AGAIN.
>>343813245
They moved to New York from California (before that, isreal) because Jontron followed them on twitter. He has since been leeching from JonTron and filthy franks fanbases. He has changed his content, attitude, and personality drastically to cater to the Jontron and FF reddit-based fanbases. That's why he blew up. He got exposure to them and instantly turned around to cater to them.
>>343813543
>Just watch MDE
Looks like some emo trash to me.
>>343812630
According to the source those stupid people are mostly 13 year olds, this doesn't justifies it
>>343813895
Think you found the wrong channel, bud
>>343813264
You are correct it is entirely player driven.
>>343811995
>clearly fucking illegal
See the problem with this, is that you don't know the law. You don't know what you're talking about. You have no fucking idea.It's not illegal in the last. It's a simple microtransaction. The secondary market isn't on valve.
>>343810882
did fox news make this graph?
>>343813543
>h3h3
>SJW
>>343810882
repost.
>>343811518
are you just listing off every dismissive excuse in existence? check off those boxes
>>343814252
This video is literally social justice. He's also just a rip off artist who plays it off as "A homage"
>>343813245
>But then proceed to try and police the internet by using their fanbase as a hammer to harass and threaten other smaller youtubers or content creators or whatever.
Except the people they go after are youtube juggernauts with large followings. Most of them are morally-bankrupt douchebags too.
>>343813535
No, TF2 crates were a thing before DotA2
How would you feel if fallout 4 introduced crates?
>>343814034
Then give me more than an acronym senpai, this is what came up
>a mortgage broker can't order an appraisal for a house you're buying from a company they're affiliated with
>a doctor can't refer you to a hospital he owns
>a car dealership is required to refund you if your car is proven to be defective
Nearly every other industry has laws to protect consumers so why the fuck is the vidya industry is far behind?
GUYS WATCH OUT I KNOW A CS GO BETTING WEBSITE WHICH IS TOTALLY COOL
>he owns the company and personally registered it
GOYIM, I DIDN'T KNOW I OWNED THE COMPANY I'M SO SORRY
>>343814394
Not spoonfeeding your new ass.
>>343814252
i don't care what side of the political spectrum he sits on, but i'm fucking tired of this reaction video cancer plaguing youtube
>>343814272
>bot
I only play single player games on Steam. What the fuck is the bot?
>>343814252
he turned into one to cater to his new reddit fanbase. That gif is from an old video from at least a year ago, when they were still in isreal and had under 50k subscribers. The didn't give a shit then, now they do their damndest to shill and cater to reddit and tumblr because they're the ones that market them for free with the gifs just like the one you posted.
He had a video up when he first started out like 2 years ago making fun of reddit and calling them greasy neckbeards with cheeto fingers and weird facial hair patterns. That video was deleted since they blew up on reddit.
Face it, he's just like every other jew in the entertainment business, except he made it big on a medium that doesn't matter.
>>343814272
>Leaves his bookmark names instead of just going by icon
What a cancerous piece of shit
>>343814517
a coded plugin to automatically handle trades and shit
>>343811802
There is no way to fix it at this point. Valve is too big to fail, they have more money than God, and good luck explaining this shit to a normie judge who has no prior understanding of the online marketplace.
>>343814398
USE CODE: TO WIN 3 CENTS OFF YOUR NEXT BET
>>343813535
shut up retard
>>343814450
>hey you should check out this channel
>I wont tell what the channel name is though
>that would be spoonfeeding
Wait a minute. There are literally dozens of vidya "journalism" sites out there. Why are some fucking YouTubers doing more investigative journalism than fucking actual vidya sites with dozens of staff on the payroll?
>>343810882
>>343810995
>>A graph that shows someone lost 20 subscribers
>>343814397
Because it's rather new in videogames.
Sure, the Youtuber is scum and should be punished
>>343811123
>implying Valve has something to do with this shit
>>343811518
Drone detected
>>343813921
what 13 year old has enough disposable income to lose over 1000 dollars?
They aren't even old enough to hold a checkings or savings account. And since they are dependents, they can't lose anything; Only the parents will.
but then the question becomes, why are some parents letting their kids throw away 1000+ dollars into some virtual knife and gun simulator?
Is the kid stealing the money from the parents?
Or did the kid somehow convince the parents that "It will pay off eventually, Promise!"
Either way, it's two situations a good parent can easily avoid if they just pay even a lick of attention to what the kid is doing or trying to do.
Because kids are fucking stupid. Kids don't realize that what they thing statistics are is completely wrong.
They don't realize that opening 200 cases isn't a 90% chance to get a knife, it's still 1% or 0.01% or whatever it is. It's called the fallacy of statistics.
oh boy is the youtube community ruining another youtubers career?
>>343814386
Literally couldn't give a single shit because I don't play trash games.
If only it was based idubbbz that covered this.
>told keemstar to outright kill himself
>unapologetically uses gay, retard and cunt
>never backpedals
Instead it was the hypocrite reddit kike
>>343813264
Actually Valve is partially responsible for it because they manipulate the market through deciding what is and isn't rare. Part of the reason people want specific items is because they are rare. Other people will intentional hoard a specific item to drive up the 'demand' of it or even use them as currency themselves. (Like what happened with Earbuds in TF2.)
If you want a smoking gun of them fucking with the player driven market, just look at knives in CS:GO and how certain models of the red spider web designed knife took over a year after the crates were introduced for one to drop. Or how certain designs still haven't dropped, which drives up demand and value the moment one does appear.
Or reclaimed crates which are crates with an extremely low drop rate and have contain weapons that have an extremely high usage rate in the community so that drives up the demand for them.
Further more Valve brought in a Euro economist to see how he could make them more money, and his first action was to discontinue certain hats in TF2. That's right, you can no longer craft, unlock or buy those hats from the store, thus giving them more value because there is now a set number of them in the game.
Or hats that you must purchase other games to get, in some cases a lot more games to get. Like the HOUWAR. Where to drive up the market value of it after it was dropping in demand, they gave it an animation years after it was released.
They might not be directly conspiring with the people who run the gambling sites, but they certain have created an environment for it to thrive.
vavlo tricked me into spending $2k on compendium
>>343815052
Oh no, will someone think of the scammers.
>>343813245
if the person in the vid doesn't end up being buddies with them, they always attack H3 with takedowns or threats and start drama first. Reaction videos aren't illegal and that's what he does. Even this vid everyone is spamming, he is technically still just Reacting to the owner's videos.
he stumbled across an incredibly sketchy csgo scam and made his findings public
>>343815120
>people actually spend 2k on compendium
>>343810882
>Tmartn
Goddamn, this faggot deserves everything wrong to happen to him and only him.
>>343814397
I don't think anyone is debating that the youtubers pretending they didin't own the site are pieces of shit, the thing that is being debated here is
a)whether the CS GO skin function is gambling
and
b)whether or not its legal.
of course, it's not gambling and it 100% is completely above the books and clean, but h3h3 said it's bad so people who have no idea what they're talking about have to shove their noses in and talk about how it's so "clearly illegal".
>>343815307
You do get some kind of Silver plaque for it. So at least there is something.
Im at least a little bit down for a lot of dota shit.
I bought a 40$ T-Shirt that came with a dota courier that I sold for 40$
>>343814386
Don't give Todd any ideas.
>>343814593
http://www.reddit.com/r/4chan
>people on the 4chan reddit think it's hard to believe there are people from here who don't post over there as well
>>343815107
They just created their own economy
Valve earns money from every transaction (cards, items), they earn a shitload of money by doing nothing at this point.
I'm pretty jealous.
>>343815120
No, you're just stupid
Do you think that Stickers or TCGs are gambling?
>>343815580
just fucking buy it!
>>343815176
oh no who will think of the people who willingly throw their money away for virtual items
>>343815580
>>343814386
They're just waiting until they can monetize mods.
>>343815617
No, I know a lot of you faggots post on reddit. Thats the problem with /v/ now. r/4chan is the most cringeworthy thing I've ever laid my eyes on. They take original content posted here and say "Look at this funny comment SOMEONE ELSE MADE" instead of having actual discussion and making their own content. It's fucking absolute cancer. But god knows you can't say it there, because you'll get downvoted and have your post hidden.
You fucking monkeys should stick to lurking.
>>343814786
Because there is no real "journalism" in this industry, every outlet is just a mouthpiece for publishers/devs.
>>343814786
because h3h3 isn't corporately sponsored, and hence has no sponsor to lose by exposing anti-consumer bullshit and scams. They aren't regulated by companies the way Kotaku and other blogs are.
>>343815916
im op and i never post on reddit
been here since 2004
>>343814957
Kids luck out all the time.
I know a 12 year old shitkid who lucked out unboxing an unusual and then did what they call a "spycrab", which is a form of in-game gambling to win another unusual item of equal value. From there he went on to waste over a year of his life trading and he has thousands of dollars of possible money into the game now.
>>343815064
i dont think idubbbz likes doing youtube anymore, he has too many fucking faggot redditors who just regurgitate the jokes HE made back at him. you can see in every passing video since the hair cake video that hes gotten less and less into it every time.
>>343814957
>but then the question becomes, why are some parents letting their kids throw away 1000+ dollars
because the parents don't fucking know until after the fact. the son asks them to attach a CC to their steam so they can buy games, then they don't monitor them at all.
a friend of mine, his younger brother bought $400 worth of SimCity Mobile cash just by pushing in-game buttons, and the dad didn't find out until almost a month later when he got the bill.
>>343816103
Did you do it? Did you find happiness yet?
>>343814593
>He had a video up when he first started out like 2 years ago making fun of reddit and calling them greasy neckbeards with cheeto fingers and weird facial hair patterns. That video was deleted since they blew up on reddit.
>h3h3 just happened to have an opinion that coincided with your own
>your proof is a video that can't be proven to exist
You're pathetic. A liar and pathetic.
>steam isnt gambling
fuck off autists
stop excusing gabe being a corrupt piece of shit
>>343816342
yes
just scale the shitposting back and cover current events and everything is hunky dory
>>343815107
Yes, and none of that is illegal. They are selling a product that you are buying. If you're trying to make money from that from a secondary market, that's on you. Not them. Bottom line.
>>343816225
>possible money
>>343814786
Hello buddy. I am the owner of "Shady Corp.". Can you not say stuff like that anymore? I see that you need lots of good boy points, how about I give you all the good boy points you want!
>spending money on cosmetic items
you retards all deserve to be scammed.
>People who think crates are totally random
They aren't. Each one has a list of items and you will get one of them. You are saying those little toy dispensers at Grocery Stores or Pizza shops are gambling and need regulated.
>>343815916
>They take original content posted here and say "Look at this funny comment SOMEONE ELSE MADE"
are you seriously not aware of the overwhelming irony here
like just consider what our content is like, and read that sentence again.
>twitter screencaps are more common than threads simply to talk about a game
>every webm thread or filename thread is the exact same jokes and images and shit reposted ad nauseum
you perfectly describe this board itself, while describing the 4chan subreddit, and you don't see the irony
>>343810882
Man I hope these false faggot scammers get fucked really hard.
>>343815107
You know who the Euro economist was? The person who went on to become Greece's fucking finance minister. His name is yanis varoufakis and I read his blog on TF2 economy. I was really surprised when he became a goddamn finance minister.
More evidence that e-celeb "content" "creators" are worthless.
>>343815269
>he stumbled across an incredibly sketchy csgo scam
No, he even said in the fucking video that he ripped all the info from some smaller youtuber. He just did it in a way that makes him look like a good guy helping out the little guy by saying "hes great! his videos are great check them out!" so the smaller tuber can't be mad when he rips his entire video's info and content off.
>>343816731
You are saying slot machines arent random because sometimes it doesnt dispense a sandwich, or the meaning of the universe. What the fuck argument is that?
>>343811518
I'm sure this is bait but there are people who think like that. Imagine that.
>>343816731
I wish some richfag would buy like $10,000 worth of crates and statistically verify the drop rates.
the 3 levels of cancer:
1) league
2) minecraft
3) fps communities
>>343816923
Slot machines are random. You either hit the jackpot or you don't. You win or totally lose. Every time you open a crate you DO get something and there is a list of possible items to get. Just like these. You never don't get something
>>343816993
You forgot SJWs and pixel indie shit.
>>343816993
5 levels of cancer
1)dota type games
2)minecraft
3)twitch communities
4)cartoons
5)anime
>>343810995
>Nvidia bench marks
>>343816993
DOTA 2 should be at level 1 but good list.
>>343814593
Where are the proofs?
>>343816901
>he even said in the fucking video that he ripped all the info from some smaller youtuber
Uh, he listed a different video as one source for some of his information. and whoever had that video obviously didn't have millions of subs in order to spread the word, whereas H3 did
why does he HAVE to be the bad guy to you no matter what?
>>343816901
he refers to him as "my friend" at least once in the video
he's a kinda decent entertainer turned absolutely mediocre but it's not like he's the devil or something
>>343816765
that's why it's so apparent. the regurgitation of jokes was usually kept to "best of /v/" threads or dedicated screencapping threads, now since reddit started coming here a few years ago, everyone who gets a chance to use "I wanna fuck that horse" throws it around without it even making sense in the context.
>>343816993
>2) minecraft
I don't count Minecraft as cancer since it's mostly literal children so I give them a pass. It's fucking annoying though when actual adults (legally, not mentally) act like fucking complete sperglords.
>>343816993
the real 3 levels of cancer
1) e-sports
2) speedrunners
3) fps communities
>>343817176
https://youtu.be/NOB2CLEdzyY?t=36
There were more videos like this, reddit used to be his IM ETHAN BRADBERRY for recycling jokes
>>343816993
so basically once it becomes popular it's cancer, in other news you won't believe it but the sun came up again this morning.
This case isn't claiming that crates are gambling. This case is saying that Valve was complicit in an illegal gambling operation by allowing then access to Steamworks.
Are blind bag toys gambling?
>>343817456
no, plenty of popular stuff isnt bad
those 3 in particular attract the worst people: 8 year old autists
>>343817546
Is that similar to loot crates? I know a few normalfags into that.
>>343817313
it's not "since reddit came here", it was GG. redditors settling here was just a side consequence of GG which attracted all the worst possible attention from all the most insufferable types of people.
>>343817712
You buy a toy, you see a list of possible toys that can be in the bag, you open it and find out which one you got. Exactly like crates
I got 24h ban for making a thread about this with 3 sources. Apparently I broke the rule about mod feelings. Goodspeeed to you.
>>343813921
shit ass parents need to fucking teach their children to fucking not gamble at the age of 10, just like not playing with fire. The moment you give your child money freely, they don't know its worth, aka being stuck in a cubicle for 8 fucking hours a day. But parents these days are doing a shittier job of being tough on their children, and if the children dont get the punishment, then of course the parents are going to be the ones to suffer for it. And of course until they start being a bit tougher on their children, their going to continue to suffer.
I have csgo and play on community servers. Fuck buying skins, just extract the skin textures, change the directory file, and you can have whatever skin you want. Valve can go fuck itself however, it has shit taste in textures. Theres a workshop with 20000 fucking p90 skins and you only get to chose 20 shitty ones that valve placed in game already.
>>343812872
>You didn't know how these people died until the Jewish News Morality Police toold you about him
yeah, that's kinda how things work in life.
heres an idea, guys
dont let your fucking 10 year olds have your credit card!
you fucking retards.
>>343817909
NO, we need more government regulation
>>343817384
This.
>>343817724
cause and effect, the regurgitation of jokes is from the reddit community trying their damndest to fit in here by reusing old shit they saw here before. The redditors came because of gg. It just seemed more appropriate to the conversation to say "when reddit got here" because GG wasn't relevant at all, but yeah, you're right.
>>343814272
You really need sound to appreciate just how fucking stupid he is. If you notice, he goes to log out. In the middle of talking, he just loses all energy in his voice and starts talking slower. He realizes he fucked up hard, but he couldn't go back cause it was live and him logging out would have drawn attention to something most people would gloss over.
Also "similar name to your friend [CSGOLOTTO] Bot #02", kek.
>>343817808
posting sources is considering advertising
i am being serious
>>343816993
OFFICIAL VIDEO GAME CANCER POWER RANKINGS
1. F2P gamers
2. ERPer's
3. e-sports fags that legitimately think they're on the same level as actual sports
POWER GAP
4. Casuals who are only into vidya because everyone is into it
5. Console kiddies
6. MOBA shitters
POWER GAP
7. Weebs
8. Nintendrones
9. Anyone that preorders games or partakes in microtransactions
>>343817384
this is the dumbest /v/ shit i've read today and its 23:41
>>343817712
not 100%, those toys have a list on them of what you might get. loot crate you don't typically know what's in it until it gets to your door. they have two things in common, they're both garbage and they're both not gambling.
>>343817083
Slot machines are regulated. Their payout ratios and inspected by government officials.
Crates? Not regulated at all.
>>343817950
what we need is less stupid people having kids.
>>343818130
I was pointing towards blind bags being the same as crates which they pretty much are. People even resell what they get from blind bags
>>343817384
This. Video games used to be fucking fun. Now it's SJW arena for autists and faggots and most cancer comes from those three. Even /v/ is full of fucking cancer that would defend this shit.
See autist nr 1 >>343818114
>>343818217
Why should they be? Are you saying that blind bag toys and toy dispensers like in that picture need regulation?
Do you actually know how crates work? You always get something and there is a list of things to get.
YOU ALWAYS GET SOMETHING, UNLIKE SLOT MACHINES.
>>343817603
love these sweeping generalizations you have absolutely no awareness or evidence to back up, just like every comment saying "[whatever] is cancer"
every single popular thing fucking ever has been referred to as "cancerous", every large fandom, every series, every Thing that has ever been popular has been decried as shit or cancer on this board.
you don't like sharing your thing with a crowd of different-minded people. and i'm not even saying that's a bad attitude to have. but you gotta stop singling out specific fandoms like it's not a different fandom every week. fucking overwatch has only been out for a month and people already call it cancer. people STILL recoil in disgust at the very mention of undertale like they STILL can't accept that it was really popular.
history revisionist shitposters love /v/ because if they spam shit that isn't true, it eventually becomes fact among the hivemind.
for example, everyone on /v/ will now swear up and down they never liked borderlands because it became annoyingly mainstream, but everyone fucking loved it when it first came out, hence why it became popular in the first place. but of course shitposters have spammed the narrative that "people never liked borderlands and it was never good" which is blatantly wrong.
>>343817879
No dude, if I don't like the source of a particular news piece, it's shit, pandering, sjw, tumblr and autistic (((kike))) crap.
i am superior to everyone for not caring
>>343817909
Just because kids lie and say they're buying games with their parents credit cards while they buy skins to gamble instead isn't on the parents
>but the parents should know what the kids are doing!
The parents barely know how to operate fucking email and Facebook, how the fuck can they distinguish their kids saving up skins and steam credit to gamble it all away instead of actually buying games with it?
>>343818217
because crates don't have payouts. they have skins.
>tmartn will be rich his entire life
>h3h3 will have money but will always be paraded by the same reddit fags he claimed to hate
good shit
I'd rather have entrepreneurial integrity than shill out to dumb cunts.
>>343818350
>why shouldn't there be any verification of a product you're sold with a certain stated drop rate actually have the drop rate verified by an independent third party?
Jesus Christ.
>>343817603
also this really goes without saying but minecraft became popular on /v/ way before it went mainstream
notch fucking posted here before he ever made real money off MC.
>>343818229
exactly, and the crates, just like lootcrate and the blind bags, are not gambling.
>>343818378
/v/ is cancer today
can you really defend it?
seriously?
look around you idiot
popularity ruins good things
/v/ has been dead since 2008
>>343811518
TmarTn please go
>retarded dudebro makes a video game gambling site and lies about having nothing to do with the company while encouraging kids to take mommy's credit card and gamble on his site
lol
This is the PC master race in action, a bunch of fucking children more retarded than CoD players.
>>343818518
Claw machines are also regulated like slot machines.
>>343811505
Spoken like a true normie that hasn't spent $750 to make your knife look pretty.
>>343818378
these 3 things I listed are bad because of the fanbase
>>343818597
Are you just as out raged about blind bag toys as this then? Do you go to /toy/ and push for government regulation of them?
>>343818507
maybe parents shouldnt be fucking retards then?
thats another problem, most parents these days are idiots.
>>343818698
Claw machines aren't like crates. Toy dispensers at stores and blind bag toys are, show me their regulation
>>343818696
>guy makes money
>every one is mad
FUCK h3h3
>>343818507
How fucking old do you think people are these days you dumb nigger? Maybe if it was grandparents, but someone who's 26 right now was born in 1990 and grew up with computers their whole lives.
And how hard is it to go into your kids room and complete the transaction for them? That's what my parents always did, for everything. Whether it was WoW, runescape, Xbox live gold, DLC, whatever. They'd always come in and look at what it was I was buying before entering their information and watching me hit submit.
>>343818652
not /v/ specifically, gaming in general peaked between 2004-07 (the meat of 6th gen) before a combination of cancerous shit slowly infected the industry, then the 2010 tf2 update happened and things really kicked into second gear
>>343818228
get to work
>>343818597
feel free to hire an independant 3rd party to investigate
>>343818597
I don't get it, there are always people happy to shill for greedy cunts.
>>343819123
lol fuck getting married in 2016, it's financial suicide.
if I was a girl maybe.
>>343818698
Claw machines don't have a guaranteed prize every time you enter a quarter, either.
>>343818005
well gg started on /v/, people didn't bring it here. it was /v/'s own self-destroying movement
>>343819207
>Less stupid people should have kids
>Having kids is stupid
Paradox of "Smart" People
>>343819207
don't need to get married
just find a nice girl (dude) to live together with and adopt
>>343817909
>your
>implying people on /v/ have kids
>>343819382
>adopt
Literally cuckold
>literally who does literally what to literally kids
I literally could not care less
>>343818070
What the fuck? I got banned by rule 3. This i though was to delete furries, mlp and apparently now links to youtube, which question how fucked the cs;go gampling system is.
It's pretty fuckwd. Utube/wargod1283.
>>343819317
debatable, either way it drew more people into /v/
>>343819709
it's not debatable, it started on /v/ first and anyone who claims otherwise is trying to push a revised narrative. this board isn't getting out of accepting that this is the future they chose.
>>343819352
we need smart people having kids.
however, im not getting fucked by divorce. that is stupid.
>>343819382
im not raising someone elses stupid kid.
>>343818652
I've just been lurking, but truthfully this place hit it's all-time low in 2009 and 2010, it's when I actually went to Reddit for awhile. I've come back and aside from the SJW shit it's mostly better. But yeah, I miss those pre-2007 days. It really was like a secret club.
>>343818070
my post which was asking humbly for source got deleted just a few hours ago too
is this some new thing that mods are cracking down on? haven't seen them this fervent over anything in a while
>>343819435
I'd adopt a kid but only if she was a cute loli and I didn't have to get married to do so.
>>343820009
This is why they don't let pedos adopt
>>343819557
mods delete shit seemingly at random, the only thing guaranteed to get deleted on sight is outright porn or nude pics.
viral marketing threads (like for, say, Overwatch) blatantly get allowed to stay and max out replies while mods indiscriminately delete other non-OW threads with impunity regardless of activeness or post count
>>343813543
Do people actually think this is funny?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1yrH4qS2RA
>>343819910
/v/ was better before it turned into nintendoGAF
there are occasional good threads but yeah
>>343819910
you can't seriously say this board is better now than it was even just pre 2014 (gg). it was never, ever as fucking awful and devoid of worth as it is now.
>>343810882
what happened?
>>343820087
H3H3 does seeing as he has ripped off Sam's videos https://youtu.be/cc5wkQm6B44 https://youtu.be/1ufw9tDaJ-w
>>343820186
You know that's said every single year, right?
>i watched an h3h3 video now i know that Valve is literally evil
Fuck off you pathetic commie faggots, like any of you bernouts actually give a fuck about muh underage gambling anyway. Is there anything more pathetic than virtue signaling on 4chan?
>>343820040
I'm not one, stop thinking the only ones on the Earth that can find little girls cute are pedos. You're literally falling for a Jewish trap to only let women adopt kids, because any adult male needs to be treated as a potential sex offender for being within 1000 feet of a child that isn't theirs.
>>343817153
This made me chuckle.
>>343819549
>I don't care about thing so I got to make sure to let everyone know I don't care
So how is VALVe to blame in all of this? Aside from them making the crate system I don't see any reason they would be drawing flack.
>>343817153
kek
>>343820373
You are a pedo. You used the pedo term for a little girl.
>>343820415
...What?
>if you use a certain word on 4chan you're a pedo
Okay pal. Fucking sue me, I want to have a cute daughter but I don't want to have to marry any ugly succubus.
>>343820406
marketplace and selling of hats
they enable this shit
>>343820323
I'm so sick of this handwave. I was here, I saw it prior to GG in 2014 and not just this site but everything was still better. I mean it was always going downhill after 2007 or so but it really barreled for the abyss in the last 3 or 4 years.
it's been worse than ever and I'm wondering if shit will be able to balance out any time soon
I always thought they guy seemed like a scumbag. The tone of his voice or maybe it was all the clickbait youtube videos. Don't trust any of them.
>>343810882
wow wtf i hate TmarTn now
>>343820226
I didn't know h3h3 was a """""""comedian""""""" I thought he just made shitty drama videos
>>343820593
It's just as shit as it always was, anon.
>>343814394
million dollar extreme
>>343820543
Using that word of all things and on 4chan? You're a pedo. Also enjoy your fucked up kid if it ever happens. Kids need two parents, especially ones that were just fucking abandoned by their real parents. You pedo cuckold
>>343820730
nice revisionist history, you cynical faglord
>>343820215
Apparently the basic story is like this
Some youtube "celebrity" made a video claiming he "found" a betting site for cs:go skins and he won a little bit of money on the site. The thing is the guy apparently founded and owned the site so there was no chance of him losing to begin with. After someone discovered his ties to the site(as well as several other youtube guys) he started claiming that he always disclosed his ties to the site. Then people brought up his original video where he claimed that he "found" the site and he deleted all his videos.
>>343817163
>Dota 2 over League
Read what you type before you post.
>>343820784
>buzzword buzzword
Maybe once the government isn't full of affirmative action niggers and women I'll actually get to have a cute daughter.
>>343811271
the fuck is that comic? Is it meant to be funny? Sad?
>>343813060
Iirc the guy actually killed himself
>>343821126
You are a cuck for raising another persons kid. You are a pedo for using that word to refer to little girl.
>>343816901
But hes giving that smaller youtuber literally all the attention and info that person wanted to get out whilst being listed as the source and credited in everything they did.
literally whats wrong with that, had he stole that shit and pretended to have found it all himself then he'd be an asshole but as it stands hes just more spreading awareness about a few scumbags much like how a bunch of people reshared the same info about keemstar or onision being actual sociopaths.
personally I don't fucking care that kids lost their money over gambling
but I think it's funny as shit that this guy is L I T E R A L L Y doing something illegal by not disclosing his association to a website he is advertising, which he actually OWNS
there are even kid fans in the shitstorm videos by HonorTheCall and h3h3 that are still giving Tmartn the benefit of the doubt and saying he isn't cheating on his own website
for fucks sake, here's a video someone saved of him in one of his lotto videos (which he has deleted, by the way) where he is actually logged into a lottobot account on steam (one of the accounts that actually holds the skins themselves used for betting)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYnLUUMBZJg
As I get older the more I realize that a lot of the problems in the world can be solved with less shit parents.
When I was 13, my dad would barely give me 10 bucks if I didn't justify it to him first. He would NEVER give me his debit/credit card. Not even now as a trustworthy adult he wouldn't give it to me because there's zero reason for me to have it. If I wanted something, he would go get it. Period, end of story. He was always the middle man so his card would never reach my hands. Why are parents giving their kids unmonitored access to their money? Are you fucking kidding me? No amount of convincing should EVER get you to the point where you're like "Yeah just take my card. I trust you 13 year old that clearly wants to use it on games and shit."
What the fuck man. I'm not defending Tmartn, I've never watched his videos and he's clearly a shady fuck and I don't really care whether what he's done is illegal or not. All this talk about taking advantage of kids though, where are the parents? Kids by design don't have any money, you as a parent would have to have gotten involved or not involved in this case.
Again, this guy is a scumfuck but the parents are useless piles of trash. If you can't even stop your child from spending your funds away then you shouldn't have kids. That's the bigger issue here than some obnoxious Youtuber trying to make shady bux.
>>343820784
I'm starting to think /pol/ users need to use a quota of buzzwords daily or else they will die.
>>343821285
if it was about spreading awareness he would have made a 30 second video saying "WATCH THIS GUYS VIDEO, IT'S IMPORTANT" and put it out to his million+ subscribers, and he wouldn't have monetized the video. This is about him taking content and reusing it in a low effort hackjob and then saying "this guys super cool go check him out" so everyone thinks he's the good guy just giving shine to the little guy. and apparently, from the responses my post got, it worked.
>>343810882
what happened?
>>343820576
Well yes, but no one has been bitching about the TF2 hat economy and hat barons so far. What has changed apart from the scumbags that were running these sites?
Did he do something illegal? No.
Fine now kill yourselfs.
>>343821524
>that long ass pause and facial expression when he realizes he's still logged into a bot account
>>343821246
You worry me for the future of your generation. All you know is buzzwords and memes. Everything is black and white in your mind, you're either with us or you're against us.
Hypothetically, would you become a cuck if your best friend died and he had no other family members so you decided to raise his kid?
>>343821767
it shouldnt be there in the first place
it's a huge grey area
>>343821781
>Did he do something illegal? No.
he kind of did
>>343821626
you do realize that if he did that fucking little to nobody would watch the original video right? Some people would but not as many as they have through him reiterating the info.
your just trying to find something to bitch about in whats a natural flow of information, its always worked like this, twhen a big youtuber is going to spread info they always summarrize or water down the general gist of it instead of just linking the original post cause they know their subs are only there to hear what that person they are subbed to has to say and only a small portion of them will actually click the original video, this way the person gets credited and the info spreads around faster.
>>343821781
>Did he do something illegal? No.
Yes, multiple things. It's not legal to lie about not owning a gambling site and then advertise to people how much money you can win on it because you, the owner, rigged it to win thousands of dollars.
>>343821781
>Did he do something illegal?
yes he did, thats kind of why people are getting up in arms about this. Hes literally committing fraud and pushing illegal gambling.
Post your knives /v/
>millions of subs
>guilty of fraud
all this faggot had to do was publish videos
you dumb fuck.
nothing to see here.
just drop it guys.
>>343821164
I found it hilarious
>>343821781
Even if he didn't rig the results, he can't shill for his own gambling site and not disclose it was his own gambling site, that's extremely illegal
He also can't target children in his with what he's doing, but his website says you only need to be 13 or over to use it
>>343821576
100% agree. I don't think this is actually that widespread, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those kids have permission to do this.
ok, forget this faggot and his gambling site for a minute.
WHY are people spending REAL MONEY for virtual knives? how fucking autistic do you have to be to do this? I just dont get it.
>>343814450
Good god you fucking idiot.
>>343810882
To be fair, it's not much different from microtransactions in mobile/free-to-play games. Not saying it's right, but it's a rampant problem throughout the industry, and hardly exclusive to Valve.
That said, those lotto site guys are shady as hell.
>>343821576
when I was younger my parents wouldn't give me money to buy NX cash, so I spent alot of time on one of those survey websites
>>343811190
its kinda of hard to go jail when you only (allegedly) broke civil law.
Everyone will forget this by tomorrow so what's the big deal here?
This is literally all they did, there is nothing more so who cares!
>>343811364
The FTC just orders you to remove or change offending materials, its not a criminal case.
>>343822742
it's like buying clothing
I can buy any fucking shirt from the store for cheap, but I want something that looks nice and sets me apart from other people
people who spend money on skins pretty much play 2+ hours of said game daily, commit enough time to it to justify buying cosmetic items
>>343823019
unless i'm mistaken, they committed fraud, and fraud is a felony (varies for states i believe) so why wouldn't they be prosecuted
>>343822561
>that's extremely illegal
its barely illegal, its below the status of a fucking parking ticket.
>>343821876
Cuckold has been around forever. Just because you're some 20 year old that only heard it on the internet doesn't mean it's something new
In a perfect world the terminal cancer that is CSGO would be shut down entirely for being nothing more than a real money gambling game with some shitty fps side component
>>343823342
Yeah, I really remember people spamming KEK as an insult over everything when I first came to 4chan in 2005.
>>343822742
The primary audience of FPS games are children, they have little to no concept of money and have a tendency to make a lot of stupid decisions.
>>343823142
clothes have a use in the real world
a virtual knife is useless. it's 1's and 0's.
>>343823501
>Thinks I meant on 4chan
Jesus Christ
>>343823241
you are mistaken.Criminal fraud from the United State Code is a completely different thing, which they didn't commit. The FTC guidelines are just a corrective measure for civil affairs, totally not a felony, and it most cases wont even involve a fine.
>>343810995
In 2 minutes you fucking retard
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2016/07/04/youtuber-admits-participting-in-lying-about-rigged-cs-go-skin-auctions.aspx
Third person admits to shilling for entirely different site :^) when will csgo finally die
>>343823630
so they're basically going to get off scott free
oh well, thanks for the clarification lawyer-kun
>>343818597
>with a certain stated drop rate
Depends on whether or not they explicitly state the drop rate, and even then, who gives a shit? The items themselves cost nothing to create. There's basically zero reason to lie about the probabilities of winning, as opposed to slot machines, where there's a clear monetary loss from whoever owns the machine whenever somebody wins.
>>343823556
why do people buy a $4k suit over a <$1k suit?
>>343823634
Never
Gabe and Valve will get out of the whole thing unscathed even when Pam Bondi or the FTC come knocking at their door wondering what the fuck csgo skins are and why they're worth so much money
Martin and Cassell will go down, but Valve will get away with everything as usual
>>343823339
>its barely illegal, its below the status of a fucking parking ticket.
False or misleading advertising is more serious than a parking ticket.
WHAT IS UP DRAMAALERT NAYSHUN I'M YOUR HOST KILLOR KEEMSTAR
LET'S GET ROOOOIIIIGHT INTO THE NOOOSE
>>343823536
>tinfoil
The audience nowadays are very divers, grown up and very social. Games like 'gone home' or 'firewatch' proves that there are more different players as we might think!
Just by saying that an industry is mostly consumed by 12 yo old kids doesn't make it true. The gaming industry just became bigger because of it's diversity. And all the different genders wants to play the games too, so it is important to make games as open and friendly as possible.
>>343824029
its a virtual fucking knife
it only exists on your computer, you cant even "show it off" in the real world
>>343820226
Literally MDE's his only entertaining video and one of h3h3's least entertaining.
How are the children 'gambling' to begin with? Are the parents just letting their kids run wild unsupervised with their Paypal/Credit cards? How about you fix the issue of your shit parenting first then we'll talk about this issue?
>>343824158
Especially for a quasi gambling site targeted to children
>>343823959
>The items themselves cost nothing to create.
They cost nothing for Valve to create*
CS Lotto is not in control of the creation of the skins. Skins in general aren't scarce but particular ones are more desirable than others and there's only so many of a particular skin so that skin becomes more expensive than another skin that is more common and less desirable.
>>343822405
>buying shit
>>343824240
Youre the real autist here
>>343824158
nah what they are accused of, if the FTC even ends up getting involved, is they will basically order them to change their shit through voluntary compliance. If they then, fuck that up, they can get in trouble.
Sorry to be this guy, but what is valve exactly doing wrong here?
>>343824628
buy a pair of shoes, you can use them in real life, they are functional
buy a virtual knife, it does literally nothing
>>343811505
I'm friends with a CSGO fan. He pretty much said Valve dindu nuffin even after I explained what valve did.
>>343822406
Greed is a fucking bitch. I wanted lots of money in my 20s, so I started working in the US. After a few years I had a chance to be fast-tracked into a cushy position with a high salary if I had done something immoral involving a colleague, stayed up for three whole nights thinking and making a decision. Told the guy to fuck off and also told the colleague about what might happen soon, worked for a few more years and then got back here with a clear conscience. Money can be a great motivator for some people, like imagine you could suddenly just have a real chance for high six-figures, bet these youtube figures had something similar in mind when they made the site, they seem to have everything already but they just keep on going. You always want more and more.
>>343824464
You're confusing the two sides. The Valve side and the CSLotto side are two separate things, although obviously somewhat related.
Fuck you mods, I made this same thread and you banned me. Hail the fucking zip fucking tar.Z
>>343825047
money is nice but at the end of the day you have to look yourself in the mirror.
id rather have less money and be able to live with myself, some people dont give a shit but that isnt me.
This is why i refuse to support anything that I deem to be corporate greed. For example.
>refuse to support anything Nintendo related because of amiibo scalpers making certain models incredibly rare
>refuse to support anything sony or MS related because of pay2play online and credit card theft
>refuse to support EA or Activision because they speak for themselves
Take a stand against corporate greed.
>>343825282
That's cool anon
>>343823632
And? It's a graph of a minute. It doesn't has to be like this every minute.
WHO IS DOING WHAT?! TELL ME FFS
>used to play UT99
>could mod and make whatever the fuck you wanted to
>player model, skins, new weapons, weapon skins, voicepacks etc.
>all absolutely free
>people are paying money for weapon skins today
>on PC
what the fuck.
Is CS:GO really such a closed system you can't just put newweapontexture.png into the weapontexture folder and use it in game from there?
>>343825282
GOOD FOR YOU
>>343813264
Admits he doesn't know shit, then proceeds to tell us how wrong we are. I fucking love know it all like you.
Fact is when you buy a crate and open it, a little slot machine starts up with all the dirty little tricks slot machines use, flashing lights, the illusion of chance and most importantly, instant gratification.
If you do not think it is a stepping stone to REAL gambling then you either
1. Work for Valve.
2. Have no fucking idea what you are talking about but have the desire to be the "white knight" of this little thread like this tosser >>343813264
>>343825696
yeah but that is clientside. server side shit was always a pain in the ass, if it worked at all.
>All these freedom haters ITT
While I am not defending the youtubers doing rigged auctions, there is nothing "wrong" with the idea. Just let the free market work, its just video game skins, the government does not need to get involved.
A grown man wants to gamble his skins away?
Sure let him.
But if your issue is that kids are the ones doing this its not Valves fault. Do you get mad at Wizards of the Coast because kids spend all their money on Magic booster packs?
Please tell me why you want more government to fuck peoples rights more when the problem is that parents won't set up a spending limit? Its not hard to give them a prepaid Visa card that is re loadable, but no that would require personal responsibility, thats too hard so lets just get the Government to tell us what to do. How do you fucks wipe your own ass without a government law telling you how to do it?
>>343824951
But it IS something. For a game. Its like saying games are just 1s and 0s so whats the point in buying games. If the person who buys the knife gets enjoyment out of it I would argue that its not "useless".
>>343825282
>slimy, degenerate, loveless lowlives purchase a product and sell it back at a markup
>this is the product's fault, obviously
>i will boycott the company who provides that product
>>343824951
>in real life
Games are part of real life, they do not exist in a fake universe.
All of the other players are seeing the virtual knife that you are using, it is very "real".
What you're referring to is that the fact that the item has no real material cost. It has artificial value because of arbitrary rarity. Very similar to the reason diamonds are valuable. It's a controlled item.
People buy a diamond ring because they want to show off wealth, people buy an expensive virtual item because they want to show off wealth. Despite the fact that both items shouldn't be worth what they were purchased for, people will still pay for it just to feel superior for having bought an expensive product. There are plenty of other examples. Humans aren't exactly the most logical creatures when it comes to pride/ego.
>>343825969
As a gambler of course it is a stepping stone, but so is, you know, playing games. Most of the shit I gamble on is classic games that have been around 100 years plus.
>>343826062
Not that guy.
That they're selling amiibo in the first place means I won't be buying anything Nintendo for a long while.
Completely understandable. You got to pay the bills some way. It's The adblocking scum forced them into this. People who use adblock are the ones who should be put into jail.
>>343826106
>Games are part of real life, they do not exist in a fake universe.
>All of the other players are seeing the virtual knife that you are using, it is very "real".
That's very deep, anon.
>>343825228
Same. In the end you don't even need that much to live in comfort if you can handle your finances, though.
>>343826018
All laws are based on ethics, do something unethical (as these people have) and get punished by the government for the betterment of society as a whole.
>>343826327
I work a normal job at an office
Adblock has not forced me into committing crimes
i have also been able to pay the bills
something must be wrong here
>>343826468
They won't get punished, cause that is the role of criminal law. They allegedly broke civil law, which you do not receive punishment for breaking, you get ordered to pay restitution. But since they don't owe anyone restitution not even that will happen. The FTC might tell them to disclose, thats about it.
Could someone spoon feed me what's going on? I don't know shit about cs go
this guy needs to get doxxed, lol
his videos totally give away where he lives if you know the city he lives in decently well
>>343826468
Sup. Is the scammer youtube guy
. done anything? All i do is to get banned. Suprisingly people lie.
>>343827186
Some Youtubers didn't disclose that they were owners/employees of a CSGO betting site which they advertised, which is technically illegal. Anti gambling betting crusaders are going ape shit over it, despite the fact that most of their claims are not consistent with reality.
Why does it surprise anyone that valve is a piece of shit?
Word of advice, stop buying steamgames. Valve is rotten to the core, the moment gaben dies they'll go public, and that means the gates are open for all kinds of shit. Their faggotry will just expand ten fold
>>343825696
They didn't have pure server checks back then?
>>343827354
And? Where does the scam come into the picture?
>>343827371
>here's data
>lol we can't show the source
>>343816531
People are allowed to criticize stuff even if it is legal, ESPECIALLY when it is conductive to practices which are either illegal or unethical.
>>343827712
There is no scam. People are always accusing casinos of scamming them due to the nature of gambling. While its totally possible that they are scamming people, there has been absolutely nothing to suggest that.
>>343811947
What is with this guys face?
>>343828062
Casinos are scams because they're set up in a way that ensures they never lose money.
>>343816531
The problem is they are selling you a key to put in their "slot machine" to get a random reward. That's kind of illegal. But there's not much precedent on it that's what I hope comes out of this whole thing is that the retarded RNG gambling leaves video games.
>caring about textures that are optional and have 0 impact on gameplay
>giving money to buy textures that are optional and have 0 impact on gameplay
who gives a shit
>>343816860
Strange how he can't really help Greece. Guess you're not allowed to Jew the international community with shitty practices.
>>343815621
Valve laid the groundwork well in advance though plus it shows your stupidity if you don't think an economy won't form by itself in a vacuum. The latest animal crossing for 3DS, which is a game Nintendo actually decided against having Paid DLC in it almost had the same thing occur within it because there were certain items you could only get in Japan or Europe, which lead to a bottleneck and hoarding and people were turning items there into currency and it was getting to the point that people were trying to sell specific sets for real money. Then the duplication glitch was discovered and the better minds of the community duplicated their rare items like crazy to destroy any jewconomy that was forming.
So even when there is no reason to have an economy, people will find a way to make one. More so Valve already introduced the idea of rarity with the crafting system and hats. So certain hats were already desired more. the fact they created super rare versions you could only get by gambling with real money is where the real problem arises. Now if getting an unusual hat or specific skin in CS:GO required skill, like an in game UFO catcher game, or missions in game you have to complete, this would all be avoided, but the fact it's all RNG (if not rigged) and you have to pay real money, is where the issue is. In Japan, it's basically Pachinco since while gambling is illegal in Japan, the way people get around that is they pay to play the game, win 'prizes' and then go across the street to exchange the 'prizes' for money. Same shit here even if the 'prizes' have no set value.
>>343816531
The problem there is you have to pay cash to use their slot machine to get an item, which does have some value since by valve's own website, they have a marketplace set up where you can sell items to other people. Plus the fact this is open to people under the age of 21. Even if by some means it's not illegal, it's extremely unethical.
>>343828153
Legitimately, he has tourette syndrome and it manifests himself in his twitching eyebrows.
>>343828623
depends on your ethics.
>>343811518
Yeah I know bro. How dare there be freedom on the internet. Won't the long arm of the law shut this down.
>>343828486
Kids can't gamble unless they're 21, valve somehow has used a loophole because skins aren't le gambling
They're breaking the law and this class action lawsuit is going to win
WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
>>343828785
You would have to have the ethics of a psychopath to believe what Valve is doing is condoneable.
You have to remember, these are the same people who wanted to inject money into community that was doing fine off good will for a decade, and then say their system is the only way to get things done.
>>343810882
I don't play CSGO what exactly was wrong with having a gambling site for it?
I don't understand people who defend minors being able to gamble the way they are on steam. People do not have a problem with kids using toy dispensers since the prices are small and approximately equal in worth.
A better example would be a capsule dispenser machine that took 2.5 euro for a capsule that either could hold a 0.01 euro or 100+ euro. I do not think that kids should be allowed to use such a capsule dispenser.
It does not matter if the kids only can use the money in the nearby shop. I does not matter if the capsule always contains something. I do not understand why any such arbitrary circumstance should make it ok.
>>343818287
Why can't video games be fun anymore? the last time I had fun with a game was Rayman Legends. But after I beat every level that was it. I was done. I used to try and 100% games or just run around in the world. But now I barely finish games. I'm only 21. Am I too old for games?
>>343829121
Valve isn't breaking the law, they're just being scummy supporting these 3rd party websites that clearly do break it
>>343829174
Based on your image and post its clear you are a fucking idiot. Thankfully I have my guns ready and have no problem going 1776 on some neo-mercantilist ass.
>>343829174
I think this is what I hate the most about Reddit, guy is trying to run a business and in typical run of the mill reddit fashion when a high profile target says something they don't like they break their neck to get a quip off for dem upboats.
If Mod makers want money they deserve as much as retards are willing to pay them, that's the capitalist system, if you don't like it then fuck off.
>>343829252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8fU2QG-lV0
>hurr shill
I learned about this thing on this video and it's obvious that ethan goes on /v/, his humor specially at the start of the channel was very similar to what can be found in here
Who cares.
Its Darwin's law in action.
also
>le gambling and smoking is le bad for children
>sex and drugs are a-ok
nice values millennials. how does it feel being a tool?
>>343829850
It would be pretty hypocritical if anyone here that was condemning gambling did drugs, drank alcohol, or smoked.
>>343827712
The closest thing to a scam is that these guys implied in their videos that they were just like any other user when they were really the owners of the site. When they 'gambled' they were not exposing themselves to the same level of risk as normal gambler would. Other way of saying would be that the advertised product was different from one being sold.
>>343829252
>not regulated
>is basically gambling but FOR THE KIDS
>can be used for scams, fraud, anything really
>owners of the site market the site on youtube without disclosing that they are the owners
>which is super illegal
Remember when gamers werent total pussies ? pepperidge farm remembers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB6fq9Aadwk
>tfw the brony jabroni fatass le gaben goes to jail
Please make it happen lord Kek
>>343829252
Might the fact that the faggot on jewtube also happened to be the same faggot who owned said gambling site he was shilling for on his jewtube page and didn't disclose it anywhere. That's illegal.
>>343829535
They've gone well beyond just supporting by setting up an easily exploitable system, because they've been allowing these 3rd party gambling sites to link to people's steam accounts. Meaning they can be held copable since they are actively supporting them by allowing the gambling sites to do that instead of shutting it down.
>>343829835
Ignoring alll the flaws of upvote/downvoting and the cancer that is reddit. I'm trying to highlight the fact that Valve is 100% wrong to claim that money steers the community's work when modding has been done for years without monetary interests and did just fine.
>>343830267
The good old days when he only had to worry about Soccer Mons and the religious right instead of SJW and Jews.
>>343820329
Well I think that Valve has been shit for a while. They don't make games anymore they just add Jewish predatory practices to everything they own. They don't even make games anymore. The only thing I might buy from them still would be Left for Dead 3. Unless of course they added Jewish predatory practices to it, which I bet they would.
>>343813258
The CS community has always been shit. Wallhacks, aimbots, showed that the average player didnt care about the rules.
Wasnt there a tourney a few years ago where a a team got permabanned for using hacks?
>>343825969
But it's not gambling. You're paying for a skin, and you're leaving with a skin. That's the bottom line. You're not choosing the specific skin to buy, you're just buying a sking. It's not gambling you fucking idiot. Kill yourself, please. Any external systems outside of
>pay 2.50
>get a random skin
are irrelevant.
>>343830369
>when modding has been done for years without monetary interests and did just fine.
Judging the sheer number of modders that jumped ship onto the Valve system tells me they simply needed an in.
If you're going to try to convince me you wouldn't try to make extra cash off of something you were doing anyway you're either lying to me, or mentally retarded.
>>343830018
What's wrong with any of those things? It's just that children shouldn't be able to do those things because they don't really understand what they're doing. Kids are dumb and impressionable as shit.
>>343827371
>cosmetics are bad because ????
>you just have to trust us, people shouldn't be allowed to have reskins
>this is greedy for some reason
>guys pls listen to me
Nope.
>>343811802
Make PC gaming illegal
>>343830647
Where did this retarded "Muh chillens" shit come from?
Children get access to this shit because of bad parenting, not Valve, anyone who keeps bringing this up just proves they have no clue what the fuck they're talking about.
"Hurr hurr just add an I.D. system!"
No, retard, if he's using daddy's CC he's using daddy's I.D. too.
Best way to learn these lessons is the hard way if they don't want to listen.
>>343828623
I said they made it themselves and it's pretty obvious that they wanted one
If we're on that topic, look at MtG.
The Power Nine were balanced around the idea of their rarity. A second market formed and it's been thriving since then to the point that MtG can even be a way to invest money.
I wasn't trying to say that second markets can't form by themselves.
The thing with the Valve economy is that it doesn't interfere in any way with the gameplay. Everything is cosmetic. If you want to open a crate for fun or to get an item, maybe even to give some additional money to Valve, fine. There is nothing wrong with it. You are not forced to buy keys or items.
Blizzard tried to get some cash with online heavy games (Diablo) and the auction house, since with D2 they only saw money from one purchase while the player spend a lot of time with the game, most likely online
>>343821767
I've been botching about those dimbass hats since they came out. They ruined that game hardcore.
>>343830517
>> pay 2.50
>> get skin worth 0.01,100+, or something in between
>> trades are done on the steams own market where they take a cut
>>343830753
kill yourself valvedrone, cancer of the industry
>>343828005
But it's not conductive to any practices that are illegal or unethical, unless you mean the guy promoting his website on youtube, which valve has 0 connection to.
>>343828465
>The problem is they are selling you a key to put in their "slot machine" to get a random reward.
Okay. And?
>That's kind of illegal.
No, it isn't. It's not kind of illegal, it's not sorta illegal, it's not almost illegal. Please point out the law that dictates that you can't sell a random item from a predetermined list for a set value. I'll wait.
>But there's not much precedent on it that's what I hope comes out of this whole thing is that the retarded RNG gambling leaves video games.
There's no precedent because it's not illegal and it's not gambling.
>>343828623
>The problem there is you have to pay cash to use their slot machine to get an item, which does have some value since by valve's own website, they have a marketplace set up where you can sell items to other people. Plus the fact this is open to people under the age of 21. Even if by some means it's not illegal, it's extremely unethical.
That's a secondary market, if you want to choose to sell it that's on you, but it's not a fucking scratch ticket. You're buying an item that you are guaranteed to have the option to sell. There is no need for the age to be raised because there's nothing unethical or illegal about it. The market is secondary and is not dictated by valve.
You guys are like children, unbelievable.
So are the two jerkoffs prosecuted? They must be right because their business is liable
>>343830891
>>> get skin worth 0.01,100+, or something in between
this is where you're fucking up, the skins aren't inherently worth fucking anything. you can sell it for whatever someone is willing to buy it for, but it's not a gold bar that's worth x amount of money.
>>343830845
>>343830845
>>343830845
>>343830845
this, case closed, anyone crying about the kids is a retarded faggot
don't even lie you all lied about your age on every website
>mfw valvedrone still defend gabe's fat ass
You fuckers will never learn.
>>343815107
nah, at the end of the day, these items are purely cosmetic and it's up to the community, not Valve, to determine what anything's worth.
Not fully disclosing relationships to any company you're shilling is always a bad move however, especially when you fucking own it
>>343830567
As someone who was active in video game modding before steam market and all that shit, the amount of misinformation people spew is staggering. #1 The majority of the shit was straight up copying and pasting assets from other people's work and other games #2 Any quality OC was being done by art students or cs students #3 Talented modders stop modding and went full time on production video games. The myth of muh quality hobbyist modder is the biggest load of bullshit ever.
>>343830926
I'm not defending Valve, I'm just sick of people laying the blame on Valve because kids are idiots.
When I got scammed out of 10 keys 2 years ago, I didn't sue Valve for it. I should've known better. Even when I was a kid, any thing I did stupid was my fault. My parents taught me how to be careful, so I didn't do something as stupid as lose 10,000 dollars on skins.
>>343830567
Actually there was a major split in the modding community and those who wanted to put their work behind a paywall got crucified for it. The big thing about the modding community is they couldn't legally sell their mods since it was based off the work of another person/group. If looking for a way to get in was their main motive, I don't see how they'd be willing to continue to create free content for an indefinite amount of time.
You also have to take into account how much money valve and the original developer skims off the top before the modder got any money. They were basically getting chump change when all was said and done. Similar to community content in Valve's other games that are put on sale where for the first 2 weeks, the person who made the content gets a lower than normal rate of income for every item sold because that's the window it will sell the most because it's new.
>>343830852
The issue remains that even if it's not pay to win like in MtG or every F2P game in existence, it's the fact they still have done it and the fact it doesn't have an impact on gameplay isn't a legitimate excuse. Also Blizzard got eviscerated for what they did with Diablos, it's unlikely that if they make another one they'll do that again.
>>343830954
>Secondary market that was all but set up by Valve (Forced scarcity, a marketplace to sell items, rare item have unique and easily recognizable effects), they just need those third party people to actually run it.
>Valve wouldn't have known this happened at all!
Go to bed Gabe
>>343831226
>Modder gained experience from modding and stopped modding to pursue a money filled future
Wow, what a piece of shit am I right bros?
I mean, the guy should have just made the games for free and made more mods, fucking greedy kikes amirite?
>>343830891
If you voluntarily pay 2.50 for anything. be it a hotdog or a virtual skin, it means that the item you just bought was worth 2.50 by definition. If you try to sell the item the price might adjust since other person might value it differently. When you buy something random, the expectation of the value of the item is built into the price.
>>343831331
It IS gambling you fuckwit. The crates are slotmachines and the skins are basically gambling chips you can exchange for real money once you leave the casino
This is unregulated, this is a loophole, and this is illegal for underage kids
>>343831362
>Actually there was a major split
More like, a vast majority went for the money and a few big names stayed free.
>You also have to take into account how much money valve and the original developer skims off the top
Every number is bigger than 0 buddy, that's why so many went for it.
>>343829174
They misread his intentions, but Gabe misread the modding community. He just wanted to create a win/win scenario for both content creators and consumers like he did for Dota 2, but Reddit takes the comments as him being a greedy Lizard Jew.
>>343830369
>The good old days when he only had to worry about Soccer Mons and the religious right instead of SJW and Jews.
Doesn't seem so long ago either. 10 years or so? World was much a simpler place back then, too bad the Internet has given everyone a voice. Now every freak has a place where they can hang around in and feel normal as opposed to trying to fit in with other actually normal people and feel ashamed for what they are.
>>343830845
If I was caught loaning dad's credit card, I would've got the belt and grounded for two weeks minimum. Also belt for gambling, but not for alcohol if I did it under his watchful eye. "Better to get drunk in home than somewhere in the middle of nowhere", he used to say. Now that I think of it, would've gotten worse than belt if I did any drugs.
They should bring back the physical punishment. Not necessarily belt, though, a good slap ought to do it for most boys. Maybe belt if caught doing drugs.
>>343831362
>>Valve wouldn't have known this happened at all!
I didn't say that. Don't put words into my mouth. I'm sure they did, maybe not to the extent it has, but they're not stupid. Which is exactly why they would have looked into the laws and made sure that it's legal, because despite what some fucking fat unfunny jew on youtube says, it's not gambling. Valve is fucking huge, they're not going to take a risk with underage gambling. This is not gambling in any stretch of the imagination. Not to fucking mention that CSGO is rated M in the first place, so if any kids lied or got their parents permission to play it, they lied and went against the EULA to do so. They don't have a fucking leg to stand on, if we want to talk in pure legal terms, but even on an ethical basis this simply isn't gambling.
>>343831595
By that definition, buying TCG packs is gambling. Some MTG cards are worth a lot more than others. When the WoW TCG was still a thing, some of the cards also contained codes for in game items, worth hundreds of dollars.
>>343831595
>It IS gambling you fuckwit.
That requires that you can liquidate your assets into real money. But as long as its connected to steam, it's basically fun money. You can't take it out.
>The crates are slotmachines and the skins are basically gambling chips you can exchange for real money once you leave the casino
But you CAN'T leave the casino with it. Not unless you go through multiple people and sites unaffiliated with steam.
>>343831595
There is a loophole, but it's not what you think. Gambling works on the premise that you can lose. Opening crates you are always guaranteed a prize. Like putting a coin in a gumball machine and getting one of those ball prizes, loot crates can't be classified as gambling because you always get a return.
Those skin websites are gambling as fuck though.
>>343831595
It's not gambling you fucking idiot. With that logic, it'd be illegal to go into a retro game store with a 10 dollar bill and asking the clerk "What can I get for this?" You can walk out of there, hang onto the games you got for 10 years, and sell them for more. Some might skyrocket in price, some might be worthless by that time. Is that gambling, you fucking unbelievably retarded redditor faggot? Please stop regurgitating the bullshit that fucking curly haired ball of cancer spits out when you understand it even less than he does.
>>343832028
Never thought about it this way. Now it kinda makes sense.
>>343831607
It just shows how much they were whores and as i said before, their reputation got dragged through the mud while those who kept their stuff free were put on alters.
>>343831589
The problem is based on the RNG drop rates, certain items will not be worth the money you paid for. Hell, your assertion went to shit when Valve introduced crates into tf2 because you could unbox a weapon that would cost you less money if you just bought it from the store as opposed to a key.
>>343832028
Which Valve alone enables....
>>343832318
>won't someone THINK OF THE CHILDREN
>>343832318
>Which Valve alone enables....
This loophole is pretty much neccesary for other games to exist, such as TCGs. Not only Valve uses it.
>>343832028
>Those skin websites are gambling as fuck though.
I don't think (at least i hope) that was never in debate here. Its just people debating whether steams csgo skin program is gambling, which it absolutely isn't
>>343832267
I'm under the belief that even if they made 1$ they made the right choice.
You need money to buy food, not good will and happy wishes.
>>343832515
It's not. Though it is made to look like you are going through a slot machine, the results of what was inside was decided the moment you opened the crate. It only does the slot animation for visual sake.
>>343832118
>>343831927
It's how it's used and what it represents you fucking retards. Kids aren't buying crates to skin their epic guns in csgo, they do it for profit like they would in a casino. TCG or anything else doesn't apply because it isn't used for gambling
>>343831879
I'll stuff as many words into your mouth to get you to tell the truth. First off, the ESRB is toothless outside of the threat of giving a game an AO rating ever since Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Ass'n. It's perfectly legal to sell an M rated game to a minor, its just stores ask to avoid PR shitstorms.
Have you seen how much money they make off gambling with their crate and key system? They have ample reason to keep this system alive.
>>343832574
If you're in a bad enough economic situation that you don't even have money for food why the fuck would you spend money on luxuries
>>343832669
That's Overwatch you dumbass
>>343832806
I'm not implying they need the money for food.
I'm saying a good reputation and consumer happiness means dick when there's no payoff.
No one's going to remember the guy who made the Oblivion texture mods in 5 years bro.
>>343832669
>the results of what was inside was decided the moment you opened the crate. It only does the slot animation for visual sake.
That's exactly how digital (ie modern) slot machines work.
>>343811942
Only that stupid chest/key system which is already in such a gray area with gambling that it's ridiculous. No idea how it hasn't gotten looked at before.
>It's not gambling because you're getting SOMETHING!
>Even if that something you get is a 99 percent chance of being less valuable than the key you used to open it.
>>343832984
Except most times with digital (modern) slot machines you don't win anything. Why is this so hard for you people to understand.
>>343832267
I think it also depends what is your intention when you buy the skin. Is it for the potential resale value or for 'use'. Most people like being able to sell their items not because it makes them able to gamble.
>>343811006
wait he works for valve?
why the fuck isn't anyone making a bigger deal of this???
>3 million subscribers
Wew. How much money is he getting?
>>343832730
And it isn't Valves problem that kids use the skins to gamble.
>TCG or anything else doesn't apply because it isn't used for gambling
It absolutely does. A knife from a crate can be worth thousands of dollars alone, just as a MTG card.
The dude that sued Valve also needs to prove that Valve intended for the skins to be used for gambling purposes, which is impossible to prove.
Also
>won't someone THINK OF THE CHILDREN
are they being arrested or what? This is fraud
>>343832743
They don't make any money from gambling because it's not gambling.
And no shit the ESRB is powerless. That doesn't change the fact that the fault lies on the parents. Infact, since the ESRB is powerless to enforce it and the game devs have no reason to enforce it, it kind of strengthens my argument if anything. The blame goes squarely on the parents of the children for letting them buy this shit.
>>343832905
Still applies in a way, modding was being done as a hobby and for fun, not as a job.
You could in theory mod as a job but good luck getting any money out of that, might as well just make it free and accept donations.
>>343831147
defend him from what?
what did valve do I genuinely don't understand. allowed a free marketplace to exist?
>>343820087
Watch some of their other stuff, Ideas man is overrated as fuck
>>343832730
>Kids aren't buying crates to skin their epic guns in csgo, they do it for profit like they would in a casino.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT ON VALVE?
You can look at the current market price easily for of all the possible skins on crates. You would have to be an idiot to consider this gambling, even the rarest of drops only would pay for a few case openings. Without any analysis you can clearly see its a large negative expected value with practically no hope of even winning in the short run.
I'm damn convinced most of you support this lawsuit not out of a moral obligation but because of Valve hatedom.
>>343833134
See this I agree with. The system itself appears like it's gambling with the visuals but so long as you do get something from it, it's not gambling.
But I believe the civil suit going forward has to do with Valve ENABLING gambling sites to exist via the steam login api.
>>343833408
They knowingly or should have known that they enable it. Durrr
is it possible for the IRS to go after these 2 youtubers? or is everything they done legal
>>343833428
Just like a casino
>>343833438
Does the federal reserve enable gambling to exist through minted coins and bills?
>>343832730
>TCG or anything else doesn't apply because it isn't used for gambling
It's the same fucking thing. Holy shit. It is LITERALLY the same fucking thing.
>buy pokemon cards pack
>hoping for charizard
>no charizard
>buy another pack
>no charizard
>so on until you have a charizard
>buy csgo crate
>hoping for rare skin
>no rare skin
>buy another crate
>no rare skin
>so on until you have a rare skin
Neither fucking one of them is gambling. If you are buying these to make money it's YOUR fucking prerogative. That falls soley on you. All valve promises you is a random skin for $2.50. If some autist is willing to pay 4000 dollars for that skin then that's between you and him, just as if you were going to sell your charizard card.
>>343833430
More like
"Oh shit, I lost 500$ in CS:GO skins, I can get it back finally"I lost 150$ in skins on the LDLC/Fnatic game where they made them rematch and LDLC won, still didn't win my bet because the betting site split the winning the minute Fnatic won
I still took it like a fucking man and just stopped betting instead of looking for a safety net.
>>343833586
No this isn't even comparable to a casino. I routinely play games where I have an advantage or the house has less than a 1% advantage in the casino. This is like on par or worse than lottery tickets and scratch offs.
>>343833662
Yes.
That's why law enforcement against that exists.
>>343833438
Could I put the google/facebook/twitter login API on my gambling site and then sue all of them?
>>343833408
>HOW THE FUCK IS THAT ON VALVE?
Because they are knowingly, willingly, and blatantly skirting the legal definition of gambling in the first place.
Let's put it this way. I play the three cups game for one dollar. There's a 2/3 chance to lose and a 1/3 chance of doubling my money. That's gambling, right? Obviously. But valve puts a nickel under the other two shells instead of leaving them empty. In the eyes of the law, that makes this not gambling since you have a 100 percent chance of getting something regardless of the fact that you will very likely get something that is worth greatly less than what you paid.
>>343832885
In Overwatch, the contents of the loot boxes are decided as soon as you level up/buy them. It's done that way so you can't stockpile them for skin updates.
>>343833490
And it's not illegal, so fucking what?
>>343833816
Unless your site uses any social media controlled inventory to have users on your site gain or lose something, then no.
This isn't using a google api for login, this is using a valve api AND using inventory to lose gain something.
>>343833851
That's still on you. You shouldn't have took the odds if you wanted a 100% chance of doubling your money.
>>343833814
Damn I can't wait until the mint is sued into oblivion, bunch of enabling fucks.
>>343833851
>>343831927
>>343832028
>>343832118
People have been doing this for ages.
>>343833176
He doesn't work for Valve.
>>343833851
Valve doesn't determine the value of the skins so your analogy is incorrect.
And no, determining the rarity=/= determining the value.
>>343833586
that's not even almost similar to a casino, have you ever entered a casino you fucking 12 year old?
>>343833281
>They don't make any money from gambling because it's not gambling.
>A game of chance for a currency that can be converted to cash easily is not gambling
>Since it's not gambling, they don't have to disclose they own the site
>valvedrones
>>343834027
I'm not saying it's not on me, I'm saying it's gambling. And supporting underage gambling or supporting gambling period without a license is a very big crime.
>>343834087
They do in TF2 where you can buy the same items you can win in the mannco store.
>>343833851
No, you fucking moron, because they aren't selling you nickels. They're selling you SKINS WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE FUCKING PAYING FOR. EXTERNAL WORTH, NOT GOVERNED BY VALVE OR STEAM, IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. TO VALVE EVERY SINGLE SKIN IS WORTH $2.50. YOU JUST HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING SOME THAN OTHERS.
Does me making the letters bigger make that easier for you to understand?
>buy pokemon cards pack
>hoping for charizard
>no charizard
>buy another pack
>no charizard
>so on until you have a charizard
>show your friends you have a charzard and maybe try and find another 12 year old to buy it from you
>buy csgo crate
>hoping for rare skin
>no rare skin
>buy another crate
>no rare skin
>so on until you have a rare skin
>then sell rare skin using built in tools for big payoff that made all the money you spent on keys worth it.
> or use one of the many valve sanctioned gambling sites and try and make more money gambling items.
> free steam games lel
No one would give a fuck if people were gambling virtual currency that wasn't worth anything, but when you can use that virtual currency to buy stuff it's completely different.
>>343833851
Here is the legal loop hole. Once you give valve the cash for the key. It is valve's money. You are only using "store credit" to buy said key and the item is only worth "store credit". That money can not be moved outside via steam. Its a closed system. All these 3rd party gambling sites do is use a Trade bot (which are violations of steam's TOS). You then bet a trade bot lot and then it pays out.
>>343834098
He was referring to odds, not similarities between a real casino and csgo you illiterate child
>>343812283
You can't sell Overwatch cosmetics for money
>>343834251
Unusuals don't show up in the Mann Co store do they?
>>343834103
I agree, its not gambling. Its autism incarnate
>>343834103
>>A game of chance for a currency
Let me stop you right there.
It's for an item. It's not a for a currency. Are you fucking saying that if you go to the grocery store and buy a bag of apples, that since you can sell those apples, they're functionally currency?
Man, h3h3 fans are so delusional and flat out dumb.
And no, I'm not a valve drone. I don't even use steam.
>>343834286
The 3rd party gambling sites also use valve's steam login api. That's the crutch of the entire enabling gambline argument.
>>343834171
So why hasn't Nintendo been sued for Pokemon cards randomly giving you cards, which you could then resell on the market?
>>343834362
Which is why it is gambling for the most part if you want to get an unusual.
>>343833801
I stopped betting because of the same match.
>>343812139
That's a separate case.
You guys keep combining two separate situations.
One situation is a YouTuber owning a csgo betting site and advertising it to children and making betting reaction videos where he wins. It may or may not he rigged but that doesn't matter, he is purposely advertising to kids. This isn't a valve issue.
The other is someone lost a bunch of money and is trying to sue valve saying they encourage betting because a website is using their developer api. Which won't stand a single leg in court. Even the terms od agreement state using said api does not mean valve operates, endorses or supports said websites. They simple allow you to log in to your steam account and access inventory .
The case against valve with be dropped and the case against tmartn (if one is made)will result in him facing jail time
>>343834256
I don't understand what you're trying to say with that Pokemon and skins comparition, it's literally the same thing still
>>343834251
And MannCo store prices are much different than community prices, all basic weapons are fractions of a cent in the community while in the store they can go from $0.99 up to $9.99
Mind you, a crate key in the store is $2.49
https://twitter.com/SkyWilliams/status/750062399437217792
LOL
>>343834524
>They simple allow you to log in to your steam account and access inventory
Sounds like a website is misusing the system valve built and valve has done nothing regarding it.
>>343833721
Again you don't understand the nuance of intent because you're an immature dumbfuck. Trading card games aren't used as tools for gambling, this is. Learn the fucking difference, kiddo.
If you're stupid enough to somehow claim that valve isn't operating on a grey area and somehow all they do is completely fine, then more power to you. The lawsuit will win over valve, because whatever they promise you get out the crates, they're themselves responsible for enabling gambling and other gambling sites from illegally using the system.
Illegal gambling has always been a hot issue, but the thing is that it's always covert. This is overt and the court will crack down on it hard
Can someone actually explain what the fuck is going on? So many threads about this and I still have no idea. Something about shitty youtubers and Valve?
>>343834480
Or you can can buy some keys and trade them for the unusual, or buy one directly from the Steam Community Market
>>343834690
>Trading card games aren't used as tools for gambling
Stopped reading there. If you under the age of 18, you will immediately cease browsing this website.
>>343834669
The site can't access your account with out you specifically giving it permission.
Valve isn't responsible for your actions
Who cares only 12 year olds play CSGO and watch e-celebs
>>343834690
>Trading card games aren't used as tools for gambling, this is
By fucking who? Everyone in my school was vying for a charizard. They sold them to the local bookstore any time someone got one.
I, and others, don't see this as gambling (because it isn't.)
Nuances are irrelevant to the law you fucking moron. This is categorically NOT GAMBLING.
>tfw we're going to lose skin betting because of a bunch of fags on a crusade over the ethics of gambling
God I hate you fun hating pussies
>>343834761
Not exactly sure on all the details. Just that Valve condones gambling websites and shitbags like TmarTn run their own little scams with them so it's a good example why they shouldn't exist in the first place or something.
>>343834690
What the fuck stops you from using them as tools for gambling? Oh right it's the law.
So obviously, if you open a casino that uses Pokemon cards, who is responsible? You or the company producing these cards?
>>343834435
Here's your (you), your apple analogy is retarded
>>343834926
B-b-but mommy took away my PC time away for a week because I used her card :(
Now I have to stop them! It's for great justice!
>>343834767
Or you can gamble to get it for much cheaper by using keys. Hence the problem.
>>343834798
Valve still allows these sites to access their information, they could easily put a stop to it.
>>343834318
Not yet.
>>343834954
>>343834908
Thanks, got a slight idea now. Gaming community is so fucked and weird man. Whatever happened?
>>343835142
It's in their EULA that they are not responsible for what you use their API. They aren't obliged to do anything until a court says so.
>>343835142
>Why won't Valve restrict consumer freedom?!
>Why can't Valve be like the EU and coddle me like the retard I am
>Wahhhhhhhhhh
Shame you can't sue the betting sites and try some EU law bullshit on them :^)
>>343835017
Both obviously, because the pokemon company needs to set the terms here otherwise they'd potentially damage how they're perceived
>>343834524
Hell, the API doesn't let you have full control on the inventories either, it only lets you see the contents and that's if you previously set the inventory visibility to public, and it defaults to private and unviewable by everyone but yourself.
And this is where the trade bots come in, sending automated trade requests to the users of the sites. Those bots were developed by third parties and Valve has no control over them, the sites do.
Nevermind the part that you have to accept and confirm the trade requests to bet, there are multiple steps the user must make.
Speaking of bots, at one point Valve added captchas to trade offers, but went away very quickly. Guess if that this lawsuit gains any traction the captcha is coming back, and you can kiss any automated trade sites goodbye, even the ones that aren't at all related to gambling.
>>343835142
its cheaper just to buy the skins on the market than it is to open cases for practically all skins...
>>343835287
There's now a fuckton of money involved. Anywhere there is money there is corruption.
Retard kids deserve to be scammed its the only way they will learn
>>343835039
?
But anon, it's a currency that can be converted into cash
>>343834823
not really
TB is pissed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z_VY8KZpMU
>>343835368
Hence why it's gambling to try and get them from keys.
>>343835142
And how do you suggest that? Pull the plug on web developer api as a whole? There are no security risks using it, websites that have it on your site can't take things without your explicit permission. I'm also pretty sure you it asks to confirm your decision multiple times before any trade goes through.
>>343835039
Except his analogy is almost 1:1
A better analogy would be a store charges 50 cents for you to reach into a barrel of apples without looking and keep what you grab.
Is that gambling? No.
>but it's not the same.
Yes. It is. You are paying money for the chance to receive an item. Said item could theoretically be sold in the right market.
You can resell an apple, you can sell a skin.
What's going on in CSGOlounge IS GAMBLING.
Opening crates is not. If you think it is then consider those machines with the little toys in the pods that dispense randomly. Are they gambling?
it's over, happening now
>post yfw V&
>>343835482
>Can't restrict how its used for particular sites or keep those sites from using it
>WELP BETTER JUST PULL THE PLUG ON THE WHOLE THING
Sounds like you're just setting up to say Valve is just lazy and Incompetent rather than immoral.
>>343835415
No they can't, who the fuck wants used apples? Who the fuck would wager bets with apples? Their worth almost nothing
Some csgo skins on the other hand are worth thousands, and can be exchange for cash, so when an illegal child gambling ring involving csgo skins pops up, the FTC should very much crack down on it
>>343835508
Now this is proof that Valve is covering for gambling sites. Otherwise they'd continue to blacklist it.
Notice how they put the blame on a hot pocket user for the initial blacklist too.
Your skins are gone forever and no amount of crying will bring them back, you gambled and lost chump.
>valve not blacklisting a cambling site
>kids play this game too
welp.
>>343835724
>No they can't, who the fuck wants used apples?
If it has a 100 dollar bill hidden inside of it, or is made of diamond, or is a rare apple that comes from a rare country with an embargo preventing trade, you could easily resell it. Have you never heard of a conniseur of food?
>>343835481
its not even gambling. gambling you actually have a chance that its appeal. cs crates are so abysmally bad you have to be completely mathematically illiterate to think its even a good decision trying to go for that one rare skin you need.
stop viraling this reddit justice bullshit. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.
>>343835890
are truffles actually good or are they just expensive due to rarity
>>343833176
He doesn't work for valve, but his website made use of the API for inventories.
People say Valve looks bad in this because it looks like they didn't even doublecheck, or the system is automated, so it looks like they don't care (which is a pretty valid complaint if you've had to deal with their support a few times).
>tfw V& now
>>343835662
I said to suggest a solution, do you always scream when asked a question? If anyone is the lazy one, its you
>>343813394
>pic
I don't remember that part of Galo Sengen.
>>343836037
Combination of that, added onto the cost of actually finding them, since you need either a well trained pig or dog to sniff them out.
>>343817153
lmao
>>343835964
Why wouldn't you give a shit? CS gambling is one of the many cancers of the gaming industry
>>343835943
I don't think they're worse then actual vegas slot machines, or hell putting chips on a specific number in roulette
>>343835142
This is like saying every web-based API should be taken down because there is POTENTIAL for incoming hacks from external users that could is ENABLED by the existence of such APIs. Your argument is like someone suing the English language for ENABLING us to be able to use foul language that is toxic to the good people of this planet.
>>343835325
Okay, now I know you are completely retarded. You can use anything, fucking anything in place of the Pokemon cards.
Rocks.
Fucking rocks found by the side of the road.
People could assign value to them and gamble with them. There's nothing wrong with that.
And who are you going to hold accountable now, besides the people that created cassinos where you can gamble with said, fucking rocks.
>inb4 your analogy is retarded
Rocks aren't worth much. Hell, most aren't even worth over one fucking cent. But if you want you could assign value to them. And gamble with them.
>>343836237
genius idea
>>343836204
yes they totally are. you suck at math.
reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4r8ihu/tmartn_deleted_all_his_videos_related_to_csgo/
>>343836279
>You can use anything, fucking anything in place of the Pokemon cards.
>Rocks.
Or, OR, wait for it, a casino token! Or a poker cheques like the mob uses when they have illegal poker games with loanshark interests, or anything.
>People could assign value to them and gamble with them. There's nothing wrong with that.
It is, it's illegal
You're analogy is indeed retarded and you have no idea what you're talking about
>>343836237
Well valve makes billions monthly, they can prevent this if they really wanted to...can you valve apologist just leave
They make enough money to never need your free shilling
>>343836470
didn't really know man, honestly surprised that's the case
>>343831805
Gabe mucked up when he let Bethesda take a cut of the paid mod pie. Mods are an aftermarket, in that they always require the base product, and they work by either remixing existing in-game content or introducing new modder-made content. If you want paid mods to work, they can't give a slice to Bethesda, it can only be a Modder (content maker) / Valve (delivery platform) split.
Paid mods will eventually get tried again in something mainstream. I don't hate the idea, if it's enough for 3 or 4 dedicated people to work full time on a good mod, that would be great
Then again, isn't Patreon a place for that sort of funding now?
God bless.
>>343836568
What do you think escrow was all about? Half of it was preventing kids from being scammed if they were RESPONSIBLE. The other half was to prevent account hijacking.
What more should they do?
>>343836568
So does the NFL and you don't see NFL THEMSELVES DIRECTLY erecting condoms for your innocent dick to protect you from the glorious gambling STDs. I rather have Valve fix other shit than your master's degree in stupidity (their customer support is utter toilet).
>>343836702
Disable trading
Disable keys and disable crates.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-28/counter-strikes-valve-face-lawsuit-over-skins-gambling/7546646
>Valve face lawsuit over 'unconscionable, illegal' online skins gambling
>>343836525
I think I worded myself incorrectly.
This obviously would be against the law.
But who would you hold accountable for the rock gambling besides the casinos where you can gamble?
>>343836870
>I disagree with this kind of fun BAN IT
someone take over for the next thread, ive been in this one for hours
>>343836525
Valvedrones will never accept casino tokens=skins
They'll say it's not the same until Edith Ramirez, Loretta Lynch, or Pam Bondi come knocking on Valve's door asking what the hell skins are and why are they being used as a medium for illegal gambling rings
>Make a 50$ bet with friend over who will win the superbowl
>Lose
>Sue NFL for having games that can be gambled on by 3rd parties.
I CAN MAKE
INFINITE
MONEY.
>>343836870
>this company should stop making profit off of cosmetics that don't affect my game enjoyment
If you were arguing against cut content being resold as DLC, or something equally greedy, I could understand, but this hurts nobody.
>>343836916
Casinos operate legally otherwise they wouldn't be casinos
>>343836936
Why do valve shills defend such cancerous behavior
>>343837040
> being this retarded
>>343837061
THE PLACES THAT ALLOW YOU TO ILLEGALY GAMBLE
Jesus, english isn't my first language and you obviously can understand my argument from the post.
>>343837060
>Hurts nobody
If this was true this thread wouldn't be made. Crates and keys is asking for gambling to happen. Remove it and it won't be a problem
>>343837159
Cool counter statement bro, really proved you right!
>>343814450
you are literally retarded
>Watch this acronym instead lol
>Kindly asked what it is
>LOL NO SPOONFEEDING
kys
>>343837254
>Coins and bills is asking for gambling to happen. Remove it and it won't be a problem.
>>343837254
Does it stop there though? Pardon the possible invocation of a slippery slope, but you're asking for something to be banned because someone doesn't have self control. And as a result everyone else suffers.
Do you not get the implication of that?
>>343837254
We should also remove cars, someone may get injured.
We should ban electricity too, have you seen what goes on in China?
Hell, why not ban getting hurt?
Maybe people need to take a step back and realize it's not valve's fault they get retarded over literally a texture
is anything going to happen to these guys? or are they too rich and just get away with everything like how all rich people do in life
>>343837231
I've never said they allow you to illegally gamble, they obviously don't let underage kids come in and drink and spend their parents money on the slotmachines
>>343837040
>using a strawman analogy because you are too dumb to comprehend the current situation
neck yourself pham
>>343837381
BAN INJURIES
BAN HURT FEELINGS
BAN
CRIME!
>>343813060
>killing yourself over a 6/10
>>343837371
>>343837379
>>343837381
Holy shit valve shills are retarded...
>>343837254
Lol u better be trollin
>>343837497
Pic related, you retarded faggot.
It's literally the same thing.
You're mad you got out skilled and lost skins because you're a retarded kid.
>>343837443
valve should probably do something - like revoke the api access to gambling sites.
Like when they removed shit games (you could could call them that) from the steam store.
They don't want to because it makes them a bunch of money and are hoping it blows over.
>>343837578
Ban saying anything positive about anything ever, we don't want shills and their "opinions".
Ban saying negative things too, to prevent hurt feelings.
they pissed TB off.
>>343837743
You support valve supporting illegal gambling. how is that not retarded
Remove trading and gambling dies. It's just thst simple
>>343837861
not video games.
it is de fecto gambling
most of the time you lose money buying crates/keys/supply drops/insert microtransaction
Key difference from this form of gambling and a card game is that you're guaranteed cards that can be used and you know exactly what you are getting, cards, and any value attached to an individual card is subjective.
With most of these microtransactions you can get a lot of different things, most of which people don't want, so you end up with effectively nothing.
it probably won't be classified at gambling but is definitely pretty shady.
>>343838020
Illegal things are illegal.
>>343837628
never bought a csgo skin in my life but if you think betting at the superbowl is the same as rigging csgo gambling and self-promoting that then you are dumb af
also how pathetic do you have to be to defend tmartn does he give you some skins? lmao
neck yourself pham
>>343838020
>stop your perfectly legal business trade that nets your company millions because a third party is using it for nefarious purposes.
By that logic we should stop the pharmaceutical trade. Wouldn't want those drugs to get stolen or abused or wind up in the wrong hands. just cut the whole program.
retard.
