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I'm so fucked up...
Age older question: http://www.strawpoll.me/10642925
I still can't believe thatteam C did the yu-gi-oh thing.
>>343461842
Took so long to get a new thread, and this one is dead on arrival. Hilarious.
Is Carlos an American?
I forget.
>>343462341
of course
>>343462341
Replay the game for a refresher.
The flowchart was handled a lot better than VLR, but still pretty bad.
It didn't show were you were until you completed the fragment, but all you had to do was look at where it fit in.
Would have been perfect if fragments only showed the start and up to wherever the player is at, even hiding decision branches, until completed.
is Sigma the only member in ZTD thatcanonically fucked someone?
>>343463128
Uchikoshi fucks me every day
Was it older Mira the younger Mira killed?
>>343463286
Is Eric a loli?
>>343462341
>named carlos
>his sister's name is Maria
Spanish-American at best.
So, we can all agree that Q team is the worst?
You've got a boy with A U T I S M, aliteral serial killer, a filthy nonhuman, and a master manipulator?
>>343463354
Just asking because this seems to imply...
I kinda like how Junpei was handled this game.
He was kinda goofy in 999, but he became edgelord supremefor the first half of his scenario, but you can see bits and pieces of his old self.
>>343463837
It should also be realized thatJunpei never steered Carlos wrong. Even since the beginning telling Carlos to choose Blue whereas Mira told him to choose Red.
Also foreshadowing Mira's role in the game.
>>343464098
Are you sure the coins aren't random?
You're really forcing assumptions.
>>343464190
it's not random, whatever you choose first ends up being the right one
>>343464374
Meh.
>>343461842
WE NEED PHI PORN UGENTLY
I really liked the game, but overall, VLR and 999 were better, it was a good conclusion and I'm glad the way it went.
Also, the cinematic camera was pretty good even if the animations were pretty shit, once you got used to it it was really nice.
I believe its universal that
Carlos > Sigma > Junpei > Kid > COMPLEX >>>> Quark > Eric
Also, Akane's a bitch, Phi's literally best girl, and Mira did nothing wrong.
>>343464190It doesn't seem to be random. Every time I've chosen blue I get the correct answer scene. I've done this three times, at least.
Just because I was stuck for a long time because I didn't listen to Junpei telling me to execute the other team.
>>343463375
I swear to god I confused Carlos a bunch of times for Shadow the Hedgehog
>>343464437
That's now how you spell Mira.
She made feel things.
>>343464437
>Carlos
>Better than Sigma " MONSTER 18 INCH TWIN BREEDING COCK"
nah
>>343464190
I don't know, I assumed Junpei can't be wrong, so I trusted him.
>>343464523
Yeah, at times, I felt the same way.
I'm... a murderer?
>>343464559
She had gigantic tits I'll tell you what.
I wouldn't reject some mira hentia.
>>343464561I voted for Sigma, but peer pressure made me steer for Carlos
Such Alpha's both of them.
I really loved Junpei in 999 but he became a faggot, and Sigma is consistenly pretty cool, and Carlos turned out to be really nice even if hewaited ten fucking months to be greeted like literal hitler.
>>343464986
Go away, Marty McAlmostFuckedMyMom
I thought that this was a nice touch.
>>343464480
Try it on a new game file
>>343465234
>420 captcha
What a time to be alive.
>>343465234
Now postemded
>>343465234
>Schrödinger's cat
>>343465737
Go back to the subreddit
Can anybody facilitate me a clear picture of Sean when he's holding his head like in a worried state?
I cold load up the game and take a pic but I'm not sure where he makes that pose.
>>343465652
Vita doesn't look as bad, I was gonna get it, but I was robbed recently, Steam version is bless though.
would you a Diana?
>>343465887
Mira def
>>343465801
>3
>when it takes two to leave
>>343465962
Hey I didn't make it famalam
What did they mean by this?
It couldn't just be a final message before release.
So, is there a decent 3DS or PSP emulator? Because now that I've played the first and third, I want to play VLR.
Can we just pretend C-team end was canon instead?
>>343466246
PPSSPP
PC CRACK WHERE
>999's box art foreshadows the twist in that game
>VLR foreshadows the twist in that game
Does ZTD do the same?
An eternal reminder.
>>343466219
CQD was one of the original distress signals used on Ships before "SOS"
>>343464437
My tiers is Sean > Carlos = Diana > rest.
Diana suffering was fun to watch but Sean is awesome. Carlos is a cool dude.
>>343466929
Read first line and thought that was your porn priority.
No matter what timeline she's in, Akane's got the NICE BUTT
>>343466713
I dont know why, but this part was fucking awesome for me
>>343465887
Made for paizuri
How long until this series falls out of relevance?
>>343467193
Probably soon since this is the last game of the series.
>>343467193
Who knows?
This may stay as a trilogy with an incredibly niche, but loyal fanbase.
>>343467193N-NEVER
>Why don't you just use the Morphogenetic Field, Akane?
>That sidelong glance that says SHUT THE FUCK UP JUMPY
the bantz is spread thin but lordy lord is it good when it shows up
>>343465887
She was built for fuck, oh waitthat was luna
>Sigma talking about Phi's boobs
>Wanting to see her in a swimsuit
>Distinct rise in screenshots whenever Mira is on screen
>>343466668
Found the actual boxartFunny how the foreshadowing is actually a literal shadow. You can see his/q's/delta's shadow in the background but you can't see his actual body. Much like how you hear about Q/Delta but you never actually see him until the big reveal
>>343466246
>VLR
>PSP
pick one bruv
For 3ds, there-s an emulator, Citra.
There isn't for vita yet.
>>343467468
Butthat was an alternate history
>>343466538
You fucked it upthanks
>>343467581
>>343466668
The hole in the middle of the clock and the light to its right make a Q.
>>343466668
>999's box art foreshadows the twist in that game
Mind explaining? I'm not really seeing anything
Can't wait for Volume 4 next year!
I want to see Phi withred hair!I think she'd be cute!
![tumblr_npep14t3621tk9bkko1_250[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Lw4faM9.gif "tumblr npep14t3621tk9bkko1 250[1]")
>>343467468
>>343467794
Delusional.
>>343467794
It really doesn't, because the proportions are fucked now matter where you try to cut the tail off. If anything, it's that Zero's nose points to the IV, when Delta is the fourth letter of the alphabet.
>>343467885
Not the one that says Zero escape, the original one that said 999.Akane's watch says 9
I think it does it in the redo too, cuz they're holding hands.
>>343468213
OH SHIT IT SAYS 9
>>343468213
Also the whole "upside down" thing
>>343467013Wouldn't complain
>>343467581
I don't really think "the villain appears in the background" counts as foreshadowing.
>>343467263
And by incredibly niche I think you mean no one outside of /v/ plays it.
Not really, but you get it, we'll only see it in 3x3 threads, then people asking what game is that, then just posting offtopic pics of interesting or funny parts of the game to get people to play it.
Only to convince just 1 or 2 people out of 100.
But maybe that'll change their lives.
Get theVLR ending
Diana doesn'tkeep Phi in the bunker and inform control that there's a viral pathogen and to bring in the appropriate response.Ex-husband probably fucked her dumb.
Six billion!
>>343468627
>"villain"
>>343467934
Quick Mira! We have to go back to the past tostop yourself!
>>343467581
The glass crack rips through IV and Zero's beak points at it
Delta is the 4th letter of greek alphabet
>>343467982
You kinda dowhen she's a tiny little baby
Also, her hair isn't only white, is it?
>>343468627
also how about Kotaro Uchikoshi Eng's twitter
>>343468627
He's technically a shadow everytime he's there, so its a clue.
He's as much as a villian as Revolver Ocelot too.Still would've killed him
>>343469206
What about it?
HE'S GONNA TAKE YOU BACK TO THE PAST
Nevermind, I found a propper one.
That feeling when Phi will never bantz with the young Siggy ever again.
Also Junpei laying an emotional guilt trip on Akane in the early game was delightful to watch.
>>343469278The fact that it's phi and the bluebird. In relation to the blue bird being a momento from Diana. Foreshadowing the reveal in the game
>>343467034
This is the only absolute truth.
>>343467581zero's bird nose ends at IV. 4 is delta in greek letters
>>343468370
YOUR FUCKINF FACE WHENDELTAS GLASSES ARE THE FIRST ZERO'S GOGGLES
>>343469487
>That part where he asks if he should take off his clothes
>>343469751
I liked how Junpei was portrayed as an asshole in some routes. Kinda like how if you chose the wrong things in 999, he seemed one hell of a lot smarter than he looked.
>>343469753
You do realize that his banner says Bluebird because it's from the fan movement that started here to get ZE3 when he first told us it was canceled, right?
Didn't read a single post and I'll get the fuck out of here after posting, but I'm playing it right now and I'm fucking going nuts over one of Phi's X-Pass being "Twin". What the fuck.
>>343469753operation bluebird was the name of the fan campaign to make ZE3, it existed before we eveen knew ZE3 was happening.that one is really just a coincidence
>>343470290
>Thumbnail can't stop looking like some giga-lipped she-beast putting them rape eyes on me
>>343470462
That's obviously a qt Greninja, so that would be silly.
So what position did they start off with first?
>>343470361
>>343470417
ignore that. I don't know what I'm talking about as I never played Virtue's Last Reward. Still a pretty big coincidence.
>>343466757
Huh
why did they change it?
>>343470680
Akane watched as Junpei was repaying the favor to Carlos by getting pounded. Akane had the sloppy seconds, of course.
>>343470709
>I never played VLR but I played ZTD
People like this exist.
>>343470680
I think after all the sick shit they went through, parts of them are fucked up for life. So it would probably carry over to the bedroom too. They'd be pretty corrupted andHave sex in the missionary position with the lights on
>>343470769
SOS is easier to write in morse code probably.
CQD requires more input. SOS is just ..._ _ _ ...
>>343470870
It's because I played 9,9,9 and just never found a store that carried VLR. Feels bad man.
>>343471127
you can buy it on on the eshop or psn store. aksys has been teasing a pc version as well.
you really should
>>343471062
From the last thread
>Booklet solutions never
>>343462310
At least learn to Loss properly
Did anyone else feel the format of ZTD fucked with the pacing of the game hard? You're already hopping around to different points trying to unlock more paths by the first hour or so, it made the progression feel very awkward compared to the other games.
For anyone who has the PC version: you might want to put any cards you got from playing on the marketplace, they are going for pretty high amounts right now.
>>343470290
>Should I take my clothes off?
What has this place done to me.
is anyone else disapointed?
This game is about a 7 and I would argue VLR/999 were 9-10s
>no new music
>the jumps/story flow mechanics were worse than vlr
>sigma has the mind of a genius, the person who helped akane create vlr and has some of the most retarded lines in the game
>those animations
I felt detached from the game from start to finish, it just felt like I was watching someone else's story unfold the whole time
in vlr and 999 you felt like it was happening to you
>>343470709
What a fucking fag.
>>343462168
>he dies with machine gun fire
I was really hoping this quote would be why he killed junpei and put him in the freezer
>>343463458
Eric was a pure boy who snapped under the pressure of being around time travellers, robots and serial killers.
>>343464098
Did you forget that in the very first vote Junpei encourages Carlos to kill off Q team? And then later tries to kill everyone in the showers?
>>343471379
I'm just a simple man keeping the images rolling forward.
>>343471442
and last, Sigma
it's time to cause some chaos
>>343471432
But there is new music.
>>343470290
I guess he learned the rule of, whoevers the most asshole wins
>>343463128
If Delta is a virgin after 124 years I guess he really deserves his mindhack wizardry.
>>343471013
>dedicated but small
That has always described the ZE fanbase. These are the same people that convinced suits in Japan to approve one last game for the gaijin even though the series wasn't very profitable.
>>343471442
phi is CUTE
If Rad6 is passed through bodily fluids how the hell did it get passed around?
Did they just sneeze on everyone?
>>343471442
The best thing is that she looks like a cute male crossdressing
>that wry smile
>>343470406
It should've beenCUTE
>Carlos busts in to save C-team, reveals he's waited 10 months for this moment
>Akane: Carlos, why didn't you just stop Zero's plan?
>Carlos: Because....then I wouldn't have met you guys. (yes, fuckin finally got to say it, you nailed it bud)
>Junpei and Akane: You asshole, you fucking idiot, the world is doomed thanks to you, piece of shit
>Carlos: D:
I know it was supposed to be dramatic, but oh my god I laughed
Game series you wish you could lose all memories of to play them blind again.
>>343471410
I agree. Also I think I got stuck on the flowchart screen more often than in the actual puzzle rooms.
>>343468114
>tumblr
So is the thingDelta literally can't stop talking about is the false arrest of Akane's father? He talk about how everything happened because of that even though Free The Soul was the reason almost everything happened
Complex Motives
>>343471712
>blowing up the X door with god knows what to waltz in in a fucking firefighter suit
>Kept you waiting, huh?
10/10 character
>>343471545
that's at least 14 worlds extinct now, thanks a lot
So if Carlos, Akane and Junpei are the ones responsible for saving everyone and creating the best timeline, and Junpei and Seven are the ones who destroyed Free the Soul's HQ, why were Sigma and Phi even there?
You can say it was to conceive Phi and Delta, but in that case there was no need for the double time loop.
Especially because the whole point was creating a timeline where R6 isn't released, and that happens in the first 5 minutes of the game, with no input from Akane, Sigma and Phi, the three that were there just to create that timeline.
VLR was a gigantic waste of everybodies time. You never even do anything to stop R6 from being released. All Sigma and Diana do is not stumble onto the death flag that causes it.
There's never any point where Sigma and Phi are actually proactive towards their mission.
Akane too. It seems all they want to do is survive and get out.
>>343471491No, I didn't forget but I also don't count that as wrong. Akane would never advise Carlos to do that, however Junpei would. You can only advance the story by executing the other team, not entirely sure about the showers though.
but the executions become pivotal.
>>343471432
The fact that the game has 3 "player characters" constantly switiching doesn't help.
In 999 you "were" Junpei, in VLR you "were" Sigma but in ZTD most of the time I forgot I was supposed to be Carlos/Q/Diana.
>>343471867
>that filename
fucking lol
>>343471712
Carlos was bro of the year as fuck in this game even if he did fuck up a few times
Is it possible that there's a second Carlos in the golden ending? He did go 10 months into the past.
>>343471894
you ARE Delta though
>>343471870
Delta does has very complex motives, though.
>>343471432
I'd say it's an 7 too, above average but could've been better.
There was new music, and I felt the jumps were actually easier and better implemented than VLRExcept executing them all, that wasn't intuitive
And the problem you said, where you couldn't insert was mainly the cinematic camera and fully voiced characters, also using multiple characters lessened the effect.
Still, it was a great conclusion and a 7 isn't a bad score for such a niche game with such a small budget.
>>343471572
He had a great character arc though. I love how he goes from "I'm not a hero anymore" to "I'll be your meat shield and I'll die for you".
His and Anake's stories were about Junpei turning back to his old 999 self.
>>343471965
The Dcom Carlos of that timeline was dead.
Hell the bigger question there is how Carlos waltzed out of the facility after transporting there.
>>343471432
I think the biggest failings with ZTD were
>the global flowchart is available from the start (although it changing its order is a nice touch)
>there's too much setup in not enough time, so most of the fragments have to restate the same information
>the separation into teams, the multiple protagonists, and the number of recurring characters from VLR all severely limit character interactions
>>343471965
Yes, it's entirely possible.
>>343472002
How can you be Q when Q isn't on Team-C or Team-D?
>>343472002
does this mean that Carlos/Sean/Diana are too stupid to solve puzzles on their own?
>>343471867
>that filename
8/8 m8
>>343471835
There's also the facthe's in a similar position as Akane was in 999 where he needed to run the whole decision game in order to actually exist.
>>343472025
I like how you put it, I guess it makes more sense, thanks anon.
>>343471712
not sure what they expected him to do? wasn't dcom part off free the soul?and why would anyone believe him?
plus zero could have easily killed him off considering he was always ten steps ahead of everyone
>>343472025
>Junpei finally softens up around Akane, they confess, and it looks like they're finally getting their happy ending
>He has to forget it all
I just got C End and I'm still feeling the ache, that shit was brutal
>>343471870Delta said one of the reasons was to make sure he was born. It's the same with Akane having to make sure she's saved in the past in 999.
As why Phi was there I don't know. Maybe because she's a strong esper and Delta wanted to convince them to stop the terrorist
Life is simply unfair.
>>343472050
How did Carlos left the facility and where did he lived?
Or did he freeloaded at his own home with his current timeline self?
>>343472071
Amnesia drug completely fucked with any idea of when stuff occurred and I fucking hated it. I hate doing something then going back to the flowchart just to see how it even matters on what timeline.
>>343472184
Keep playing.
>>343471631
Air. it can survive being in space for fucks sake.
I'm betting its an extremophile.
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>>343472235
>Carlos teams up with other Carlos to switch places each day so one of them can always be with Maria
>>343472183
I was surprised too, considering Zero had accounted for fucking everything else, one lone fireman wasn't going to stop all his plans.
>>343471870
>WE GOTTA STOP RADICAL 6 FROM GETTING OUT
>it only happens in one fucking route
>>343472050
But he transported himself ten months before the game started. Before all those choices that made those timelines split were made.
I was thinking about the actual ending andDoesn't assuming Carlos shot Delta create a problem? Wouldn't that make the whole point of Delta ensuring Phi & him are born the way they are now by making Diana & Sigma meet in the shelter a failure? Did I miss something?
Nice, he still does the pose.
can someone explain to me how in the 3 way standoff for the Q team
they never once mentioned that Delta was in the room the whole time? and after "Sean"/"Q" kills him that Mira and Eric know Q was Sean the whole time?
what the fuck
>>343471736
>Stuck near the end of the game with no more points to go to
>Fuck it just start looking up stuff
>Had to go back to when you're picking which teams to execute and make sure you pick the right ones to get their head explody scene
>Despite the nodes being marked as finished with no other choices
>Only indication is the vague execution markers
I'll easily admit I'm retarded but that felt like shitty design.
>>343471840
>>343471957
>>343472183
>>343471712
Carlos and Sean for best characters
>>343472169
Delta shouldn't even had an origin story, he should have just appeared or been really Snake or Santa like everyone wanted, it would have been a lot easier to write and wouldn't have basically devalued so much in the process.
>>343472235
There's the chance that the transporter wasn't in the facility yet 10 months ago.
>>343472336
Yes, and? He didn't change anything because he came to save them at the end, he likely had no contact with that world's original Carlos.
>>343472351
He was so excited and they they shit all over his parade, fucking Akane.
>>343472169
THIS SO MUCH
I feel that ZTD had this thing where it was VLR and 999 mixed in a bag.
Its the perfect inbetween really.
>>343472354
Honestly them knowing Sean's name at all is what bothers me.
>>343472337
Multiple timelines, him dying and living literally accomplished nothing at all.
>>343471442
angry phi is cute
>>343472425
>like everyone wanted
I didn't. I always though brother being Snake or Aoi would have been stupid as fuck.
Yes, even more stupid than Delta.
>>343472354
Something cripple something deaf something wheelchair so they probably thought it was useless to talk to him or take him into consideration.Still retarded twist
>>343471867
I'll be stealing this if you don't mind
>>343472438
Even worse, it was under custody of FTS. Carlos actively knew about one of FTS headquarters and did nothing about it.
Post your face whenCarlos killed literally everyone at least once except for Junpei, including himself
>>343472357
Same thing happened for me. I mean, I get why they did it, but why not add a [!] option on those executions markers when I went through all possible votes?
Wiat wait wait, let me get this shit straight.
The transporter, a superpowerful time\space machine that can BREAK THE RULES OF CAUSALITY AND RELATIVITY is still useable in C ending.
Akane used it herself, and know what it does.
In VLR, she states that she can send Clover and Alice back, bodies and all, showing that she got the transporter from the test site.
And it never occurs to Akane to use it to fucking change the past?
I get that the ending is saying that by accepting Brother's invitation, she was told about 8 BILLIONS in detail, and worked with him for 45 FUCKING YEARS, rusing everyone, including people that didn't even have to be rused, like Sigma and Phi, just to let everything go down in test site again, basically trapping herself in a time loop.
When she could've just used a fucking spacetime machine to fix EVERYTHING.
>>343472251
I didn't have a problem with that conceptually. It had potential for some really cool pacing tricks (that didn't pan out, unfortunately), it was essential for the overlapping wards twist, its existence has precedence within the series, and it's the only way to keep existing espers/shifters from becoming OP in this game.
My biggest problem with the fragments system was that the status quo rarely ever changed between fragments. If there had been more fragments available with more permanent changes (such as characters dying) readily apparent, it could have led to a really cool meta-puzzle as the player has to figure out the global flowchart for themselves. That's what I was expecting going into the game, at least.
>>343472596
He killed Junpei during the AB game.
>>343472596He killed Junpei in the AB game
>>343472071
Even if Delta wouldn't have worked I would've loved more Sigma,Junpei,Akane and Phi interactions.
>>343472596
>except for Junpei
He blew up the transporter while Akane and Junpei were still in the pods.
>>343472596
Post your face when Akane blew up the facility with D Team still alive so that C Team could shift
>>343472123
His glasses had some electronic shit that let him see security cameras.
>>343472489
>game mentions that eric and mira knew sean's name from the very beginning
>they never call him sean in most of Q team's story
>when zero is revealed, eric immediately starts calling sean "sean"
well that's awfully fucking convenient isn't it?
>>343472596He does end up killing Junpei in the AB room, though.
>>343472714
>Gah, I screwed up.
>>343472596except for Junpei? Did you forget the fact that Carlos killed him in order to figure out he had SHIFT?
>Shoot grenade launcher at a glass case with an old cripple fuck presumably on the same floor because how the fuck is he getting up the stairs
>lol who cares
>>343472714
>your face when VLR was the most fleshed out ending and the most satisfying
>>343472580
But FTS headquarters were destroyed???by Junpei and Seven, right?
>>343472714
is his penis okay?
>>343472764
You guys are really helping me come to terms with that twist, imagining dumb shit like this helps
>>343472747
>>343472735
>>343472705
>>343472698
>>343472698
Oh yeah
Doeshe have the highest body count in the series, just counting on screen murders?
>>343472580
>FTS headquarters
Obviously that just means he was the one who tipped off Seven and Junpei so they could destroy it.
How the fuck am I supposed to solve this shit?
i don't mean what's the solution, I mean, how the fuck can I get to solution?I was able to figure out the numeric system but nothing much
Transport room btw
>>343472678
>no one uses the teleporter several times across several decades and alternate timelines to amass an army of spacetime clones that can all shift to each other
>>343472764
To be fair, Mira wouldn't give a shit, and as long as she doesn't Eric wouldn't either. Sean would just go along with them.
>>343472714
>"Great I'm gonna be stuck like this for 4 months."
>>343472447
It doesn't matter if he came to help them. Or that he didn't have any interactions with the original Carlos.
It's still possible that there's a second Carlos in the world, since he teleported himself before the game even started. Kinda like how Phi and Delta are allowed to be alive even if they were only transported in one of the timelines.
>>343472816
you couldn't be more wrong
>best ending
vlr
>best atmosphere
999
>>343472734
They blatantly refer to him as Q at several points, like in the scenes where Eric tells the two about his past at the bar. And in those two scenes it's very clear that Delta isn't anywhere nearby, because the cameras show the whole area.
Would you?
Can someone paint this gif in a blue hue?
>>343472903
You got the reels? Insert the 5 number one and it'll generate a 4number one.
>>343472337
Even if he did shoot hm, which is what I'd do, it doesn't matter because he exists in a world where he didn't shoot
>>343472881Diana killed everyone in one timeline.
>>343472941
I meant the VLR ending for ZTD.
>>343472764
They can leave the chair in the first floor, and simply carry his body up the stairs.
>>343472903
once you've entered in what all the symbols mean, you should be able to activate the 3D printer. The result of that should help you figure out what to enter into the pillar
>>343472903
my friend,
more importantly are you running this game on an emulator? what the fuck
>>343472958
CUTE SHOTA ROBOT
>>343472937
But the Dcom Carlos of that timeline died. What aren't you getting here?
>>343472903
make the rolls with the machine
>>343472969
>not the superior version
>>343461842
Can someone tell me what this is all about? I've seen so many threads on here. From the screenshots it looks like Deadly Premonition.
>>343472337
Why do you think you don't get the option in the end?
He already won.
His first purpose wasn't being born, it wasbeing complex
>>343472734
It was a horrible twist. The fact that they had to hide Q because it would be obvious otherwise made it even worse.
The twist of Ace, and then Akane in 999 made sense, and was shocking.
The twist of Sigma looking different than we thought was a rehash of Ever17, and was a huge stretch to think he wouldn't realize, but it kind of worked.
The twist of Mr. "I was off camera the whole time" was just pathetic. It's even worse because we, the player, are never acknowledged at all. There was no in-game reason for the twist, besides hiding the obvious bad guy off camera the entire game. It felt like a cheap twist.
>>343472883
But then that means there are actually two Carlos going on about at all times.
Hell that must also mean that there was a second Carlos in the D2 babies ending who knew about the whole thing and left Sigma and Diana there to rot.
>>343472958
He's low priority.
I like how much Delta didn't give a fuck about dying in literally any timeline. Same with Carlos as soon as be knew he could SHIFT.
>>343471712
How would he even know about any of that other shit?
He might have even assumed that since he shifted out of that timeline, that akane and junpei didn't fuck up and stopped radical 6
>>343472714
Sigma was the real hero of the series, alway ready to help people and trying his hardest
>>343473078
The Dcom Carlos is alive, in the true ending. And so would the second Carlos.
>>343472123
mind hack
>>343472949
There is a glass for Q at the bar. I don't know if it's in every bar scene but it's in at least one
>>343472991
>>343472997
>>343473042
>>343473052
>>343473085
reels only go up to 9 horizontally and I can't input the birmen.. how exactly am I supposed to do it?
>>343472991
The funny thing is that I completely forgot about the reels in my playthrough and just converted base 13 into base 10 using a website.
>>343472071
>the separation into teams
I found boring that Junpei/Akane and Sigma/Phi were in the same team. Imagine how different everything would have been if they were mixed.
>>343473181
Not a huge spoiler, but try putting 00001 on the bottom reel and running it, increase by 1 a few times.
>>343473118
Sigma beingoldwasn't the only twist in VLR
And ace and akane weren't even the biggest twist, it being the fact thatthey were in the q facility the whole time.
>>343472002
How would you explain the timeline where Q team is killed by the execution? Zero even states in a hologram that he's dead. So how can you even see what's going on or make any decisions?
>>343473181
figure out what the floating number above the pillar is (MULTIPLICATION). Then enter that into the reels
>>343471534
>>343471342
These angry faces make me angry at how shitty these sketches are
>>343473106
it's nothing like deadly premonition
it's basically a VN with puzzles
>>343473106
emulate 999
if you like it, get a 3ds, play vlr (don't save in Q room) and then play this game
overall, including all 3 games, it's an 8/10 series, with the first two games being easily top 5 non-erotic VN games of all time
>>343473106
It's aboutA game
>>343473149
What the fuck are you talking about? The true ending is a different timeline. In the VLR timeline, Carlos showed up 10 months before the start and then fucked off to who knows where, only to show up at the end. Meanwhile the Carlos native to that timeline joined the Dcom experiment and got executed by the vote at the start.
>>343472958
Is intercourse with robot boy possible? He has to have some sort of exhaust pipe or SOME kind of orifice in his body, right??
>>343473194
I don't even know what the fuck this base shit means so I'm glad I had the reels man.
>WE HAVE TO CREATE A TIMELINE WHERE RADICAL-6 DOESN'T GET OUT! IT'S THE ONLY WAY!
>carlos wins a random coin toss
fuck this game. VLR was all for nothing.
>>343473143
Sigma straight-up calls himself a "selfish bastard" in D-2 because whenever he does something for someone else, he always expects something in return
Which I thought was interesting, because giving up 45 years of your college boy life to save the world is pretty selfless
>>343467034
I find Akane much hotter in this one
>>343473310
>He has to have some sort of exhaust pipe or SOME kind of orifice
anon...
>>343473118
>we, the player, are never acknowledged at all.
We are, all of once.
>>343473348
Hotter?
>>343473171
The thing is, that glass is for Delta. I mean, Sean can't drink for shit.
>>343469751Young Sigma jumps back to the history where Radical 6 already happens and he gets to watch Diana die.
He didn't deserve this after the failed Luna timeline. Nobody deserves this.
>>343473287
You have top 5 erotic VNs? Don't they all exist to just get you off? So what's the criteria for your erotic VNs like?
>>343473336
He does get his waifu back you know.
>>343473281
Sigma's shirt is indeed cool as shit. Seems his fashion sense improved over the course of those 45 years.
>>343472123Because teams don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Since there were no split wards, Q was always in close vicinity. So he could always mind hack, especially with his glasses.
But you get hints about Q always watching when you kill other teams in the showers. Because the characters exclaim that they didn't push the button, that it was from something else. Which is Q's mind hackery.
>>343467034
>>343473348
>yfw you realize akane is a SLUT!
>>343473281
Don't care what you think
>>343473269
oh, I'm retarded. Thanks. This makes a lot of sense now.
>>343472726
I hate Akane so much
>How can you think of switching places with them? that would kill us in another history like we've been doing this whole time!
>lol lets blow up
>>343473323
that's not what it was about
>>343473227
I feel like one thing everyone wanted to see was the interactions between those particular characters. And think about it. Outside of being with Junpei, Akane has no personality
>>343473323
The worst part is that THAT is the true ending.
>>343473336
Yeah but he was doing it to get some sick poon
>>343473118
Completely agree.
>and was a huge stretch to think he wouldn't realize
They shouldn't have designed him with that stupid robot eye.
>>343472726
She is a bitch
>>343464437
So phi confirmed she is hiding d cup boobs!
http://www.gamespot.com/reviews/zero-escape-zero-time-dilemma/1900-6416462/
>gives it a 6/10
"Nevertheless, my understanding of Zero Time Dilemma during its first hour and my understanding as it came to a close could not be more different."
>"Mike Mahardy played Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma for 12 hours, and could only stand about three characters. Nintendo provided a copy of the game."
>12 hours
>He didn't even fucking finish it
>mfw
I would say we blow this shit up even more, but I don't want to be a personalarmyfag.
>>343473424
Ah, good point, he does get some more Dianass
Selfish bastard it is, then
Dr Klim, I'm Crash Keys.
>>343473227
>junpei with sigma and diana
>phi with carlos and akane
Q team could stay the same since they were all new characters.
the dynamic would of been interesting,
>>343472924
This is what actually bothers me.
>>343473439
>they removed the jacket
It still hurts
>>343473323
NIGGER
did you even play the fucking game?
RAD-6 is just a catalyst for the new power-ranger group of SHIFTERs to stop the religious fanatic that even Q doesn't know who he is from killing 8 billion people, near complete extinction compared to the massacre of 6 billion rad-6
>>343473398
That's what I meant by Q. The anon I quoted said Eric refered to Sean as Q in a scene where Delta wasn't at the bar, yet there's a glass for Delta implying that he was there
>>343473348
Bullshit. Akane was hottest back when she was 10 years old. Also, Phi is easily the hottest one in ZTD. The rest of the cast weren't hot at any point. They basically just blurred together.
>>343473336
that's why he is heroic, he knows he is flawed and still does it
unlike "let everyone else die" and "assume everyone is a thief" Junpei
>>343472941
I can't trust your taste if you can't into reading comprehension.Still Right
>>343473567
At least Junpei's morality wouldn't have been so "JUST PRESS THE BUTTON AND KILL EVERYONE ELSE LOL, I ALREADY HAVE MY WAIFU NEXT TO ME"
>>343473446
All ZTD did was show us that Akane is a massive hypocrite, given that she organised the exact same thing in 999 and VLR.
Why should Delta be condemned while Akane gets a free pass?
>>343473550
It's okay, based IGN gave it a 9.2
>>343473384
When exactly is this?
>>343473550
I was a bit intimidated by the fragments early on and how I'd be left putting the pieces together.
However, by the time I neared the end game I stopped caring about the individual fragments and considered them all part of one single linear and personalized experience. I doubt many people took the exact same routes with the jumps and loops, but when you consider it like that the fragments themselves don't matter just the context you give them.
>>343473580
It's a shame but animators do tend to do that if they find it hard to animate it and him too much.
It had a hard time doing so for Akane's sleeves and Diana's Skirt as well.
in my opinion. Delta went too far for my taste. I would have left the 6 billion dead if it meant the other 2 was still alive
>>343473718
i'm pretty sure it's when D team is executed
>>343473718
D team execution.
>>343473118
Both VLR's and ZTD's twists have so much foreshadowing I feel stupid for not realizing them earlier, but I find myself able to suspend by disbelief for VLR's twist but not for ZTD. I can find explanations for why Sigma never noticed that he was old, but I cannot believe that not once did any character mention "What the fuck are we going to do about this guy in the wheelchair?" I wish the game had explained what he was doing the entire game more. Was he in every Q escape section, just chilling in the corner of the room? Why did they bother to bring him to the transporter room at the end? Who the fuck is wheeling him around?
>>343473784
Should put a Diana next to Sigma.
So...Kyle?
>>343473550
I actually agree with some parts of his review
The stuff about the characters is right on, the best part about VLR was getting to know Tenmyouji, Phi, Luna, even Dio
In ZTD the window is way more limited the game hurts for it, I think
>>343472958
>>343473310
THREE HOLES
>>343473567
>Sigma calls Junpei as Tenmyouji
>Makes old man jokes to him but Junpei doesn't understand a shit
>>343461842MOM
>>343473432
>how you want your decision game, Q-senpai?
>JUST GAME OVER MY SHIT UP
>>343473717
Anything over 7 was paid for. There's no way people actually liked this game that much, considering how god awful every animation, puzzle room, and decision game (besides the Fire chair) was.
OK I know spoilers abound I I will leave quick but a question.
Do I play a team to completion, all the fragments I can then jump to other teams? Or do I swap on The fly as stuff happens? Which is the best way inam retarded and feel like I'm doing it wrong but unjust keep sticking with my VLR niggas and it's so good.
The game is so fucking good.
THAT GODDAMN BUTTON SIGGY PLS.
Also do other teams get other music?
>>343473812
>>343473804
Then it's just talking about the other teams or hisMIND HACKing to make them push the button, not the player.
Post yfw Mirais revealed to be a sociopath and a serial killer really early on, so you wait the rest of the game for her to have some depth, and she never does
>>343473584
>Delta has, in his own words, read the minds of millions of people, including shifters
>he still cannot deduce the identity of a single man acting on behalf of his own cult
>his best plan is to commit one thousand holocausts, in only one timeline, and just hope that it kills him
>>343473829
Diana really is cute, shame about the character model
>>343473550
Honestly 6-7 is a fitting score, I could definitely go as low as 6 on a bad day
>>343473924
>implying this game had the budget to pay for an IGN review
>>343473927
You literally have to jump around
And do yourself a favor and try to get all the execution scenes: you will eventually have to see all of them even though the game doesn't tell you this
>>343473967
No it's not. Zero is condemning someone else, it wouldn't make any sense for him to be doing that if he had mind hacked them. Go watch the scene before replying, it's blatantly obvious that it's referring to the player.
>>343473927
C-Team has Morphogenetic Sorrow
D-Team has Bluebird Lamentation
Also you must get all teams executed
>>343473976
Same for Eric.
???/Blinck Winkel was actually a red herring in order to distract you from figuring out Q's real identity/role
>>343473784
it should be more like Phi on one side and 6 billion people on the other
He's right, Akane is fucking mint.
That Sawashiro voice too. Imagine her sucking your dick, Akane's the best.
>>343473301
It's a simple concept to grasp. Carlos sent himself back in time, before the game started. Before all the choices were made that started to split the timeline.
So wouldn't that mean he should exist in the true ending? Shouldn't there be a second Carlos in all those other timelines?
>>343473694
taht's part of what i man. you force characters like phi out and edgy junpei out of their comfort zone. would they be willing to say the things they say knowing they can kill the one their care most about?
imagine junpei pressing the decontamination button knowing he would kill akane
>>343473924
They didn't have enough money to animate people falling down, much less pay for reviews.
Question: so I gather that Junpei and Seven offscreened Free the Soul's headquarters, but...do religious cults actually go down that easily? Isn't the fanaticism the real problem here, with its source not being found in one place?
>>343473976
Life is unfair.
>>343473784
>>343473839
Should put 6,000,000,000 more people on the other track
>>343473432
so who was mind hacking people in VLR since they used the same excuse there too
>inb4 the player
>>343473893
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>>343473887
>hoped for Sigma Junpei broships
>maybe some Mira flirting with Carlos escapades
>instead the teams barely interact with each other save for 1 timewhere Eric is standing over them with a shotgun
Why didn't Sigma and Phi abuse SHIFT like Carlos and pals did? Phi only mentions jumping during the execution scene.
What I expected from ZTD after playing VLR:
>Brother is an extremely powerful, evil and ruthless esper, and wants to release R6 at all costs. It'll take everything and more to create a timeline where he fails
>Free the Soul is fanatic and relentless
>Junpei was involved somehow. He knew what happened. Was he working for Nasa? Is he going to be part of mission control?
>Why did Diana kill six people?
>Why did Sigma fall for her so hard?
What I got in ZTD:
>Brother killed the world but he had good intentions
>It was all according to brother's plans, you were played like a damn fiddle
>A timeline where R6 isn't released is created in 5 minutes
>In fact, there only a single ending where R6 is released
>Sigma and Phi do fucking nothing
>NO ONE, INCLUDING THE THREE POWERFUL ESPERS THAT CAN SEE 45 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE, SUSPECT THAT THE MYSTERIOUS DEAF BLIND CHAIR BOUND SUPER OLD FUCK IS ACUTALLY THE SUPER OLD FUCK THEY KNOW IS GOING TO TRY AND DESTROY THE WORLD, AND THAT THEY KNOW IS OST LIKELY THERE WITH THEM
>Junpei and Seven defeat Free the Soul OFF-SCREEN
>Junpei and Seven, a drunkass and an out-of--shape cop, with basically no esper powers, literally do a better job of saving the world than Akane, Sigma and Phi's 45 year mindfuckery timelord plan
>Ctrl+F
>0 Snail
>>343473927
I think only C Team gets punished Junpei music? Which is probably the best new addition to the OST. Also, just play whichever you like. I started out by playing one fragment each than swapping, but at the end, I realised the story got so fragmented (lel) that I would rather focus on getting one coherent viewpoint. Although that didn't help as well. I think like some anons have pointed out in this thread, the fragments made it hard to get a good overview of the plot.
>>343473976
yfwEveryone knows Mira is a serial killer at the end of the game (or at least Sean), and nobody does anything to her
>>343474161
Bad writing
>>343474082
Considering that Free the Soul is still thriving in the VLR timeline, Junpei and Seven did a bad job.
>>343474161
Because Sigma and Phi understood the ramifications of shifting like a madman
Think about the bodycount Carlos leaves behind after he's done tearing through timelines
>>343473697
M-MUH CHILDHOOD
>>343474062
>So wouldn't that mean he should exist in the true ending? Shouldn't there be a second Carlos in all those other timelines?
Oh shit, you're right.
>>343474057
tfw a neanderthal tries to cockblock you
>>343473924
>"This is the 81st IP in the thread."
>>343474212
Read the Post-Payoff files.
>>343474212She goes to Jail, anon. Sean busts her out so she can go back in time to redeem herself and prevent her younger self from being murdered. However, we don't actually know if that ever happens
Someone post the screen shot with the COMPLEX line
>>343474164
I felt the same way. I was so excited for Free the Soul and Brother shit and I was so let down.
>>343474212
She's a bro
>>343468864
How the hell did phi survive with radical six?
>>343474057
Hell yeah, Akane is the fucking best
>tfw no mastermind gf
>>343471442
Love how Phi's classes always cast a shadow on her face no matter where she is
>>343474153
>>343474164
Why did this game have to suck so hard? Fuck, I'm just angry thinking about how good it could've been. The worst part is that Uchikoshi probably thinks he did a good job because of the few delusional assholes who keep trying to convince themselves that the game isn't shit by yelling at everyone that the game is good.
>that argument the group gets into before shifting to the timeline where they won the coinflip about whether it's ethical or not to shift your mind with your past self, and effectively kill your self from another timeline by swapping places
this is some existential crisis shit right here
>>343474356
Stasis until the cure was found later in the future.
>>343474356
It's not a 100% mortality rate but 75%, similar to the estimated SIX BILLION out of eight billion.
>>343474237
Carlos, Akane and Junpei let like 3 versions of themselves die
Carlos alone killed 5 versions of himself in C-End 1 route
>>343474080
or kids moving really fast for that matter.
Damn were Seansanimations laughable.
>>343473924
I think it was well deserverd, because I think i takes account of the whole series.
>>343473828
>I cannot believe that not once did any character mention "What the fuck are we going to do about this guy in the wheelchair?"
That's my exact problem with the twist. It was just so fucking unbelievable that at no point, no one went on Q team called Sean by his name, or said "Man, it sure is a drag carrying this old fuck everywhere"
>>343474212
>I let her run rampant cause it was really important to my plans
>"then whyd you kill her"
>She was a bad bad criminal and had to pay
>>343471442
Why does Phi have 2 pairs of eyebrows?
>>343474356
Well everyone in VLR has been infected with it so
Can someone explain to me how Phi is only like 20 during ZTD while her twin brother is over 100 years old? Did they get sent to different times from the transporter? I must have missed the explanation on this. I remember them mentioning some sort of experiment?
>>343474372
That's because the shadows are painted on to her model, along with all the other shading on the character models.
>>343474356
Wasn't she in a coma or most likely knocked out, because of Diana using the stun gun on her.
She all, Immediately changed clothes and ran to Akane to have herself frozen and put to sleep for the next 45 years in a treatment pod.
>>343474164
Carlos makes up for all of it
>>343474237
LET THE CARLOS HIT THE FLOOR
>>343474312
Everyone suspectsYounger Mira murderers Older Mira, she quotes Eric to Young Mira
>>343474402
I wish that was a permanent choice that gave you a different ending.
>>343474402
Except for the fact that they were shifting for the last two games and it somehow only became a moral dilemma at the end.
I've spent the past two years mainly frequenting /m/, it is insane how much faster a single thread is here compared to the entire board there.
>>343473550
>Nintendo provided a copy of the game
Wouldn't that be Aksys or something?
>>343474473Phi was sent to the past, but then sent into the future to 2008
>>343474402
It's for the sake of the greater good. The knowledge they have is necessary to save 8 billion lives. If they don't jump they don't "kill" 9 people at the expense of those 8 billion. They also worked far harder for their right to live.
>>343474037
>Go watch the scene before replying
I did just now.
>blatantly obvious that it's referring to the player
He could be talking about himself, couldn't he?
>>343474473
Delta and Phi were both sent during the same time.
The researches who found them sent a second Phi into 2008.
>>343474473
germans faxed her back to the future
>>343474402>C-Team alone killed 14+ versions of themselves (And also D-Team) by shifting
>>343474164
I wish a brilliant and eloquent fan would rewrite ZTD for us. But, yeah, fat chance...
>>343474164
>>343474345
>>343474401
You know what bros, I completely agree, but at the same time, I'm glad we got something rather than nothing
>>343470709
Why do this to yourself?
>>343474473
>Can someone explain to me how Phi is only like 20 during ZTD while her twin brother is over 100 years old? Did they get sent to different times from the transporter? I must have missed the explanation on this. I remember them mentioning some sort of experiment?The Phi that participates in the decision game is a double clone. She was first sent back to 1904 by Sigma and Diana, then sent again to 2008 by a German researcher.
>>343474402
It was never brought up at all in VLR and if anything Dr. Klim has no right going on about moral shit when it comes to shifting.
>>343474450
What's the matter? 2COMPLEX4YOU?
>>343474450
>>343474450
>"then whyd you kill her"
Same reason he killed everyone else in that history: they outlived their usefulness.
>>343474590
Speaking of faxes, you can really tell that this is a Japanese game when Sigma gives an anecdote about being sent a fax when he was younger, despite being born in 2008.
>>343465887
Diana and phi hugging was very cute
Would your waifu kill for you?That ending where she bludgeons the fuck out of Carlos was magnificent. Best waifu.
>>343474401
>why did this game have to suck
Because you created a very specific image of what the game should have been in your head, and when it didn't meet that very specific image it inevitably disappointed you.
>>343474596
This is honestly my opinion
Yeah, it wasn't gold, but it wasn't a turd, and it was an ending. Which is something I didn't think we'd even get three years ago
Plus it had some pretty good stuff, likeDiana hammering the button
so who was Left?
>>343474537
It was much faster back pre-2010 when Mecha shows were actually common. The Code Geass/Gundam 00/Macross Frontier years were prime /m/.
How far the mighty have fallen.
>>343474440
they are more subtle about it but Q team does mention and complain about Q
>>343474582
>He could be talking about himself, couldn't he?
>Zero is condemning someone else, it wouldn't make any sense for him to be doing that if he had mind hacked them.
>>343474596
I am honestly glad the series is over now. All I want now is Q&A from Uchikoshi.
>>343474683
He specifically says that he kills her because she has to pay for her crimes
>>343474402
Yes it is.
But literally 10 minutes before, C-team was shifting in and out of time-lines to fuck with Zero. Junpei even talks abouthow the gatling guns turned his body to swiss cheese
And of course Akane had toGet mad at Junpei for his brilliant plan once he understood how to shift
>>343474401
I believe the worst part of the game was any fragment where Eric was being a retard, which are a lot of parts of the game
Even if Mira was a murderous bitch, she wasnt really stupid, and did what she wanted, she actually went, killed everyone for fun and it didn't matter.
Thats why Eric's a shit character that ruins the game, but he was made porpusefully annoying I guess.
Better not bullshit him.
>>343474698
I only noticed it just now, but jesus christ Akane looks like a fucking alien in that picture
>>343474698
She REALLY REALLY loves Junpei.
ZTD is good for itself and the "decent" for the entire canon, but not to expand on VLR.
However, the people that hoped for the latter are the delusional ones.
The goal of VLR was to prepare to go back to ZTD, yes. You'd expect the fight to come down to what VLR covered but that battle happened off-screen between 999 and ZTD therefore ZTD picked up the aftermath of why it all happened.
I seriously think that Brother was just making shit up as he went along.
Like, he planned to release R6 and punish everyone that tried to stop him. And then he rigged the coin toss to always fuck them over. But he forgot which side he was supposed to rig it for, and accidentally ended up having to release them, so he just went W-WELL ACTUALLY IT WAS ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN, HAHA, SEE UMM, THERE'S THIS TERRORIST, AND HE'S REALY BAD, AND I DID IT TO STOP HIM!"
>>343474690
Well, his grandma sent the fax. That's believable.
>>343474723
An image of the game actually resolving the many remaining plot threads and not just setting up another sequel?
>>343474742
Some kid who meant nothing to Brother, which I think infuriated me more than anything.
>>343474732
technically there could be a sequel, they still need to stop the fanatic don't they?
I mean they essentially chose between 8 billion dying or nobody dying to the 6 billion dying from before
>better send my kids in 1904 Germany ten years before the great war
>>343474698
>That ending where she bludgeons the fuck out of Carlos was magnificent
>Carlos just lying there getting his skull cracked open while he thinks about how much he royally fucked up
>>343474806
See, I actually like Eric and Mira. They might have topped my favorite character list for the whole series. The characters who really ruined the game were Akane andthat shithead, "complex" old fart.
>This is the universe where we get the game, but it isn't the best possible game because the first didn't sell well
Life truly is unfair.
>>343474856
But why would Sigma have even owned a fax machine?
>>343474742
Carlos.Jokes aside, Left isn't important and the only guy that looks like him definitely isn't him...
>>343466538
Which timeline results in all of them dead?
>>343474698
Akane was a million times cuter before
>>343474742
just delta's stepbrother who meant absolutely nothing to him even though he decided to make an elite clone army from his DNA
>>343474742
some german shmuck
>>343474902
they were the greatest generation
>>343474723
>>343474862
Based on roughly the same number of posters every thread, you guys realise there's a high chance you're arguing with the same person thread after thread after thread?
why is this game enjoyably funny in some parts that shouldnt be
>>343474312
If mira doesn't become a murderer, wouldn't that fuck up like, everything.?
Like literally nothing mattered if they managed to do that?
Like how the fuck did Akane never knew?
Delta is old as fuck and can walk around perfectly fine with no explanation at all. Don't say Mind Hack, that can't reverse age.
>>343461842
Wow, OP sucked so much dick his blood turned to semen !
>>343474913
Delta sucked, yeah, but how did you like Eric? Motherfucker was pic related personified
Junpei not only effortlessly destroys FTS' HQ off-camera, but he manages to come up with a plan to escape using his recently regained SHIFT powers within seconds of having them.
I seriously think that VLR Akane was just following the orders Brother gave to her in the meeting. She's a fucking dumbass.
>>343474960
His parents. The same reason why any kid presently would have a fax machine.
Probably used it for work. Fax machines are still prevalent, ya know.
>>343474862
>the many remaining plot threads
The only plot thread it failed to address was Kyle. You are angry because the game did not resolve the plot the way you wanted it to (which is fine, no one says you have to like the plot), not because plot threads were not answered.
>>343474742
Implied to be Lord Gordain's son
>>343474450
He had to kill Mira because with 5 others dead you would have ended up with another Triangle situation where she likely would have killed Sean or Eric in order to escape. Sean, and arguably Eric, both had to be alive in order for them to open the Door of Truth and progress the plan.
>>343474450
Literally Complex
>>343474775
>Zero is condemning someone else
I got the impression he's not directly condemning Q-Team(as in Eric, Mira, Sean)but if that's not what you want then I can always argue that he's condemning thequantum computer making every possible decision for Sean
>>343474902
Hey, explain why Delta is so fucked up.
Lived through Imperial and Fascist Germany.
Probably wears socks and sandals too.
>>343474968
>Carlos is "Left" because after using the transporter to copy himself he is left/stranded away in the VLR timeline
eh, I can live with that
>>343475083
>Fax machines are still prevalent, ya know.
In Japan, yeah.
>>343474906
That part made sense though.
Because he freaked the fuck out, shifted without knowing it and saidBUT LAST TIME YOU PICKED BETRAY SO I PICKED BETRAY SO IT WOULD EVEN OUT
Also that fucking irony when he saysDid I...did I just look into the right paths and keep avoiding death all this time?
And then Akane showed up
Why did Q bully Diana after she activated the showers?
>>343475064
Because he was hilarious, and had the only realistic reactions to anything that went on in ZTD.
>>343475041Mind hack doesn't work for more than a moment, anyway. His eyes are purple, I imagine something's happened to him and they didn't explain it.
>>343475027
He's right. We could have woken up several times before now.
>Everyone can gain their memories even after jumping for the first time
>blick winkel and Kyle never mentioned
I should go back and play VLR so I can see all of these threads that went absolutely nowhere.
>>343475093
>The only plot thread it failed to address was Kyle.
>>343475185
>Something important happened and they didn't explain it.
ZTD in a nutshell.
>>343475228
kyle was gab. who else was he gonna shift into?
>>343474995
for a moment I thought Eric was his brother and "Chris" was an adopted Delta, obviously changed my mind when I saw how old he was
>>343475064
Completely underutilized. I thought he would've gotten a bro ending with Sean after he shared his shitty past, but no, instead you get "well this woman just ripped a heart out and murdered eric, better escape with her i guess" wasting a slot.
>>343474635So Phi was duplicated thrice? Once when they sent her to 1904, and again by a German researcher who had the transporter to 2008? So essentially now there's three different Phis because the transporter makes duplicates?
Did old Siggy fuck his robot?
>>343475154
I thought Team-C shenanigans were great all the way up until Apocalypse ending, then I think the game just went downhill from there.
>>343474593
Better yet, they could write about a post ZTD world debunking all the shit that went down in DCOM so we can all pretend it didn't happen...
And fuck up the lives of Team C, forcing them to save the world "again."
>yfw he actually wrote in ayylmaos
According to Delta, if Radical-6 is not released then a crazed member of Free the Soul will kickstart a nuclear war that results in the deaths of eight billion people.
The ending where Delta DOES release Radical-6 is the backstory to VLR. In that backstory, it is shown that a crazed member of Free the Soul made plans to detonate every antimatter reactor on Earth, resulting in the deaths of six billion people.
Also, why is Delta the only one with mindjack powers? And how does he stay alive for 170 years? Was it Nazis? Aliens?
>>343475228
Oh it's this troll image again
ZTD is no more of a conclusive ending than VLR was. You can't say it's just an open ending that isn't setting up for a sequel any more than you can say the same about VLR.
>>343475327
He probably thought about it, but refrained to keep his robowaifu pure.
>>343475190
>yes.. *checks watch*.. ah..18.10...
>that's four hours since the vote at 13.30...
>we spent four hours asleep?????
>no.. we could have woken up several times before now just that we don't remember..
>ah... the drugs?...
Repeat everytime you start a new fragment.
I need that Delta edit of Jinzo, if anyone saved it.
>>343474592
If you use the machine does that substract from the killed myself count?
>>343475185
My only explanation is he is an Alien, there is literally nothing else that makes sense.
>>343475280That is possible, and that would be why Delta killed Gab, just so that Kyle could Shift back
>>343474913
I disagree entirely.
I picked the biolab first. Did both decisions and was horrified. Then did the decontamination button and the library puzzle immediately after.
Eric can go fuck himself.
>mfw Mira started laughing at Eric's story
>Mira stealing a vial of Radical 6
>Picked Eric for the first decision in the Library part
>Everything that happened after that
>>343475319
Techincally, yes, you're correct, butthe "original" Phi almost certainly starved to death and the older Phi is implied to have raised "our" Phi before passing away.
>>343475368
Explain how it's a troll image.
>Akane, Sigma and Phi prepared 45 years to do battle with Brother, an extremely old super powerful esper that leads a fanatical cult
>They arrive in the Test site and meet the subjects
>One of them is a suspicious deaf blind extremely old man, literally calling himself "Q".
>"Q", as in the name of the very significant final room from both the 999 and the VLR incident.
>Neither Akane, nor Sigma or the very attentive Phi ever give a sorry fuck about any of this.
>For dive days
>Even though they came for the sole purpose of stopping brother and FtS.
>Meanwhile Junpei and Seven, having no knowledge of ANY of this, blew up FtS' HQ.
>>343475319
Technically two and eventually one. The female researcher who raised her was the copy originally sent back with delta. But she died by the time of ZTD. And the one left in the shelter obviously died. So ZTD Phi is currently the only Phi running around
>>343475152
Prevalent was the wrong word. They're uncommon, but they certainly exist and are still used by a lot of people.
Like when you're dealing with the IRS or a state taxation department, it's preferable to send documents in through faxing.
>>343475352
Delta only says a religious fanatic causes a nuclear war. He doesn't say if it was someone from Free the Soul.
>people defending the guy that shot a grenade to a kid and saying "it's a natural reaction"
>>343475428
>that would be why Delta killed Gab, just so that Kyle could Shift back
That doesn't make any sense.
>>343475327
>>343475407
it took him 25 years to finish the robot, so he would've been at least 50 years old by the time he built Luna. He probably would've been unlikely to feel any desire to by that point.
>>343474913
Mira was fine, but Eric? Dude come on.
So what do you guys think this game did right? A lot of people seem to dislike the plot, but I feel like this game had some strong points.
I actually liked the whole fragment system, I thought it was incredibly well done and pretty unique
>>343475280
How does Gab know about the events of VLR?
>>343475352
>why is Delta the only one with mindjack powers?
because sigma and diana went through the events of ZTD
>>343475525
>Like when you're dealing with the IRS or a state taxation department, it's preferable to send documents in through faxing.
Really, America? Even in Australia we've advanced to using email.
>>343475580
>25 years to develop the perfect human fleshlight that's also your dead lover
why even skim this opportunity
>>343475624
>So what do you guys think this game did right?
Carlos
>>343475580
>50 is too old to get horny
i bet you think you'r parents never had sex
>>343475624
Fragment system was complete ass and obtuse as hell. Ending C1 and both D endings were great.
>>343474504Logs say Mira killed a young mother.
It was probably Eric's mother since the timing fits.
>>343475717
unless you deal with money/healthcare//tech, upgrading the tech infrastructure of your organization was never really a priority for most of America. There's probably a significant portion of companies that right now are still running on WIndows XP
>>343475624
Carlos, and C-team in general was pretty alrightCrazy Akanewas fucking hilarious
I thought the stuff withSigma and Diana in the shelterwas also pretty well done. I've said it before in this topic, but I really wish there was more team-to-team interaction, lotta missed potential there.
>mfwtwins
>mfwSigma is Phis dad
>mfwDiana gave birth to Albert Wesker
>>343475479
I and others in these threads have many times already.
>>343475570
>Defending the character that calmly and collectively decided to hold 6 people hostage
I knew something was off when I started as Q team and fucked with the vote on purpose. Not only did it set up Eric freaking the fuck out, but it explained a lot about why he hates Sean and tries to strangle him multiple times
In every fucking puzzle room he gets mad when you figure something out and Mira makes fun of him for it.
>All those mental gymnastics he does when you press the decontamination button
What a load of shit
>>343475624
>So what do you guys think this game did right?
Carlos was a good addition to the cast. Piecing together the timeline of events through the fragments and eventually recognising where each new fragment is taking place was good, but all the repetition of events and explanations as a result of assuming each fragment could be the first was annoying as fuck.
The plot did nothing to resolve the series' overall story, it only set up more events that need to be resolved in the future. If Delta had just been a villain trying to recreate his birth and release radical-6 without the ulterior motive of saving the world it could have been a perfectly clean and satisfying ending.
And now there are literal aliens involved.
>>343475446
Mira took the throne of Worst ZE Girl for sure
Team C had the most enjoyable moments such as the chainsaw/axe fragment and the rec room situation while Team D had the most "down" moments because of how close they were in my opinion. What the heck was Team Q?
>>343475580
>unlikely to feel any desire
>67 year old sigma fucked the shit out of diana in ZTD.
>Wait a minute, who's that old man!?
>Who?
>The creepy old man on the wheelchair. The one with the creepy purple eyes, who is he?
>Ah, that old fuck. He's deaf and blind. His name is "Q"
>DID YOU SAY "Q"?!?
>psst hey Phi, come here
>Sigma did you...
>Phi stop
>What
>Stop
>Stop what?
>You're embarrasing me in front of the NASA people Phi.
>Sigma are you taking the piss?
>Phi, watch your mouth!
>Jesus christ. Hey Akane, did you see that weird old guy, he's very old. And he's purple eyes. And his name is "Q". Isn't that supiciou--. What are you doing.
>...Nothing
>Is that a Voodoo Doll you were shoving up there?
>... No
>Jesus christ
>>343475946
SO IT IS THE SAME VOICE
Fuck even his eyes are all fucked up.
>get killed by a random bitch
>I forgive you lol just don't kill anyone else
What a retarded snail.
>>343475624
fragments were cool. if was fun putting the pices together ("hey this scene nwith Q team takes place in the same timeline where C team did this!)
there was nice banter between the characters. this was better than VLRs
i liked the puzzles
decision games felt like they had more weight compared to the AB. there is never a moment where you put the VLR crew in danger due to your votes. you constantly kill the rest of the cast one way or the other in ZTD
likable cast(for the most part, eric is the only one that got on my nerves)
i enjoyed the voice acting (both english and moon)
i honestly did not think the story sucks despite it's shortcomings/loose ends
>>343476005
The leftovers.
>>343475946
COMPLETE
>>343475624
A lot of the bad ends, like Apocalypse, Transporter stuff with Sigma and DianaAside from the Delta thing, I would have been fine with just Phi being bornCarlos being great and Eric being realistically insane.
>>343475949
No you haven't.
>>343475624
I think everything about the game was great except the true ending which was disappointing but not enough to ruin the game for me.
>>343476000
c h e c k e d
Your dick when Diana degenerated to drinking whisky off the floor and begging Sigma to fuck her, and calling him a coward when he refused.
My fucking dick.
>>343476054
GLOBAL
>>343476000
What about Alice?
>>343476040
she was still a little girl then
>>343476150
The only issue I had with that ending wasSigma revealing he knew everything about her already. It skeeved off into kinda creepy territory.
>>343476041
>there was nice banter between the characters. this was better than VLRs
Not even close.
>>343476150
I want to rape this dopey alcoholic.
>>343476150
I honestly felt really bad for Klim the entire time, dealing with your dead waifu like that.
>>343475543
Either way, it doesn't make sense.
Delta says that releasing Radical-6 gave him a 75% chance to kill the guy he was after. Since Radical-6 has a 75% mortality rate, it is implied that it has infected everybody on Earth (assuming Delta doesn't know where the guy lives). This contradicts VLR, since in VLR most of the deaths were caused by the nuclear fallout and the protagonists had to be manually infected by Radical-6 by Sigma and Akane.
Plus, assuming that the bomber in VLR is a different person, that means that not only did Delta fail to account for the existence of a second bomber (despite having read the minds of people from that future), but also that two separate people exist who decided to blow up the world on behalf of two separate religious institutions.
>>343476150
ruined luna
>>343476150
I really enjoyed her mental breakdown, and how sigma was actually used to it and enjoying it (not her mental breakdown, I mean being down there trapped)
Poor lovely Diana.SLEEP WITH ME! YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALLS
>>343475624
The puzzles are the strongest in the series.
Having zero puzzles in the climax was annoying, but at least it wasn't stupid like the Q room in VLR.
>Aliens did it
>NO, ZERO WAS... YOU, DELTA!
Are these the low point of the series? One is fucking aliens out of nowhere, and the other is the cheapest most non-sensical plot twist yet, that literally requires all of the VLR crew to turn into complete fucking retards.
>>343475717
I doubt the IRS uses email much. But I think that may be so that may be a countermeasure to fraud. Makes sense to me.
>>343476161
MINDHACK
>>343474082
Most likely they just went underground afterwards. Free the Soul is obviously still a thing as noted in this cinemia file.
>>343476150
I like how that cutscene went from Diana being all innocent in the healing room to that.
Makes me wonder if she was drinking during her pregnancy. That would explainDelta's big ass forehead
so wait, wait, wait
where exactly was Q this whole time?
Was he only with Eric, Mira and Sean?
Didn't they think it was odd that there's a 4th person with them, and they're somehow not involved in the game? i.e. their death wouldn't add a password
I mean seriously, what the fuck was that shit
>>343476231
>If you're so desperate to give that lever a good time why don't you do it yourself!
>>343476392
>>Didn't they think it was odd that there's a 4th person with them
Why do you think Eric was so hostile to Sean the whole time?
DELTA HAS A FUCKING TRANSPORTER THAT CAN SEND PEOPLE IN THE PAST/FUTURE AND THE BEST PLAN HE HAS TO STOP A TERRORIST IS TO KILL 6 BILLION PEOPLE
>>343476150
>Tongue practically on the floor
>lol I wasn't gonna do it retard, also bang my shithole please
>>343476392
Q was part of the game
Sean was the extra one
>>343476460
With a 75% chance the terrorist was among them.
>>343476392
>Was he only with Eric, Mira and Sean?
Yes.
>Didn't they think it was odd that there's a 4th person with them, and they're somehow not involved in the game? i.e. their death wouldn't add a password
It did add a password. Every time Sean dies Q ends up dead too. Q's password gets revealed, Sean never reveals a password.
>>343476392
Sean was the actual 4th person
>>343476272
Are you saying that he's submissive?
Do you think that the game would've been longer if it was more like VLR, voiced Models standing still in front of a background for the Story sections rather than full animations? I think some things were limited because of it. Flashbacks still had a voice over and a still image, an epilogue instead post-ending files would've been more feasible if they were like that.
>>343476392
Eric was hostile to Sean because he showed up when they first got locked up. Q had been with them since DCOM so he wasn't out of the ordinary
>>343476392
Literally offscreen.
Sean was not involved in the game, and his death wouldn't trigger a password.
The odd one was Sean, since they already knew Q.
Mira shoots 3 times to kill everyone as well as Eric.
And when the anesthetics activate, 4 bodies are heard falling.which makes no sense if he was in a wheelchair, or why would he drug himself in the first place.
read the thread mang
>>343476302
The twists in previous games only required a little bit of contrived bullshit, like not seeing your reflection in the garden immediately. But for the entire fucking game to not show the character in any camera angle once, and to specifically show the fucking dog when they directly address him, not hearing him scream in any of the execution scenes is just a complete load of shit. When did Eric and Mira learn Sean's name and apparently use it casually the entire game when it was treated as a big reveal for the player?
>>343476460
Ah, anon, you're forgetting...his motives are complex.
>Junpei: Hey akane you've been getting fat from eating all those cakes.
>Akane: How 'bout I cut off your arm and shove your ass in a vent?
Well that escalated quickly.
Junpei bringin' the bantz
>>343476231
>That part where Clover starts talking about the dead frog and Dio asks if she's high.
I was laughing for five minutes.
>>343476545
Naturally. They tried to make a game that demanded far more budget than they had.
>>343476460
This game is amazing isn't it? It feels like a Star Wars Prequel. It's such a trainwreck.
How can Q be considered off-screen if for a majority of the time you saw through his eyes?
I just finished ZTD and was fairly pleased with the whole game. It wasn't 10/10 perfect, but I can't say I was disappointed at all. There's just something I didn't get. Why was Q obscured from view the whole time? What team was he part of, and did everyone just ignore him the whole game? Apart from that, did anyone get a sense ofZero Escape 4from the true ending?
>>343474402
Couldn't the alts just shift back?
>The terrorist can't destroy the world if I do it first!
A fourth person in Team Q made sense to me. There were a lot of odd things I noticed during Q Team segments that I didn't know what to make of, and then revealing that a 4th person was there made them all make sense.
>>343476605
Care to remind before the thread fully dies?
>>343476545
I find it funny that ZTD has so many cinematic pans, zooms, and angles when the entire plot twist hinges on the fact that we're viewing the story from security cameras.
>>343476551
depending on the sections where Zero didn't erase their memories, I guess it wouldn't make sense for him not to fall as a part of the act
>>343476659
>Zero Escape 4
Watch out, that name is taboo here.
>>343476659
That'd be too much, sincerely doubt it. Probably will be cleared in the next q&a
I can't believe Uchikoshi had so long to write ZTD and this was the best he could come up with for the main story and twists.
>>343476545
Yes, and there would still be enough foreshadowing for zero without cinematics.
>>343476545
I think they went for more of a movie kinda game than a normal visual novel, and it hurt the game in a bad way.
Some of the bad ends required the camera stuff over sprites, though, like they really madethe shower scenes or the chainsaw stuffwork
>>343476743
FLYING
NIPPLE
CAMERAS
>>343476752
But everyone else fell asleep too, so it doesn't really matter if he didn't since they are asleep.
Can we get a new timeline just before this one dies this time?
>>343476669
Yes, this is possible for any character (even non-shifters given the setup) at any time.
It's kind of a fridge logic where you just assume it doesn't happen but then you realize it sure as hell can.
>>343476659
He was the leader of Q-Team, but because everyone believes he's blind and deaf they don't interact with him beyond possibly wheeling him around. I'm not sure why Eric and Mira don't try to kill him for an easy password though.
>>343476659
>What team was he part of, and did everyone just ignore him the whole game?
>team Q
>team D(iana)
>team C(arlos)
Q was the leader of team Q
but everyone thought he was blind and deaf so Sean did everything Q was supposed to do
>>343476573
>But for the entire fucking game to not show the character in any camera angle once
The bar scenes with Q team show the whole area with the camera and Q is nowhere to be seen.
>not hearing him scream in any of the execution scenes
He's arguably audible in the acid shower scene, but it's intentionally mixed in with Eric's own loud screaming so you can't distinguish it. Also you can see his shadow in that scene when they're talking beforehand, but it's vague enough that you'd have no idea it's a person before the twist, since it's always just a block and never an actual human shadow.
>When did Eric and Mira learn Sean's name and apparently use it casually the entire game when it was treated as a big reveal for the player?
That part is just a Heavy Rain tier ass pull.
>>343476905
Are they different sizes?
>>343476659
He was part of Q team obviously, Every time someone mentions Q they are talking about him. He is referred to several times and there are a few instances of people talking directly to him despite him supposedly being deaf. You can also spot him just off screen in several instances.
He is also an option to kill during Triangle by entering his real name, Delta.
>>343476545
I don't think it added anything. Sprites would have just done the game just fine.
>>343476905
Hey nipple sizes differ.
anyway 0/10 no "wet down there" joke
>>343476905
His motives are...complex
>>343476931
>but everyone thought he was blind and deaf so Sean did everything Q was supposed to do
Why.
Seriously why did they leave all the major decisions to a child with a pig helmet.
>>343476460
Let's not forget also
DELTA IS A LITERAL MIND READER WITH A FANATICAL CULT FOLLOWING, MASSIVE RESOURCES AND A QUANTUM COMPUTER POWERED TIME SLIDING SHOTABOTS
everyone forgets Mira is a SERIAL KILLER
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>343477074
Why make the twist some guy off-screen who basically could have never existed and the game would be completely fine.
>>343461842What is the name for the mother's mementos for the D team force quit box? I figure one of them is BROACH but what's other? I tried "BIRDCAGE", "BLUEBIRD" and "NECKLACE" but they're all one letter short
>>343477152
And he's 124 years old with the fitness of a 60 year old.
>>343477217MUSIC BOX
>>343476989
Yes, I got the Triangle ending by accident. I went in and inputted Delta as a name because I was convinced that Sean was actually Delta and I wanted to see what would happen if Sean killed himself (even though the game says you can't do that.) Color me surprised and confused when the screen is shot and a guy starts speaking latin. Kind of ruined the twist for me.
>>343477217
blue bird with a space, musicbox also works
>>343477154
Did you read her post-game files?
>>343477217
There's a space key
>>343476545
VLR was long because of those shitty travel times.
I would've loved text so we could skip over redundant bullshit we've heard a dozen times like who executed who.
>>343477217
Put a space in there, pal.
Music box also works, if you're having trouble.
>>343477074
Mira doesn't give a shit what happens during the game, and she usually holds back Eric because she's curious about what choices Sean will make.
How do VLR and ZTD compare to 999? I just emulated 999 and thought it was a solid9/10. I'm hesitant to buy the others because I'm poor but I'll probably do it if you guys say it's worth it
>>343477074
because Mira was planted there by Delta and Eric was a dumbass who'd do anything Mira told him to
and by VLR he is 174 and still kicking with also an army of clones now
>>343477154
but dude we break her out of prison and with the power of friendship somehow prevent her from being a murderer by taking psycho murderer mira with us to the past lmao
>>343477274
I did the same damn thing, man.
I was scratching my head when I hopped over to the other name-input choices and got"HE'S NOT HERE" and "I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS"
>>343477302
A fast-forward button does exist for cinematics you've seen before, but repeated dialogue being spoken to a different team doesn't count.
>>343477314
personal opinion:
VLR:8.9/10
ZTD: 8.5/10
>AND SO MY GENIOUS PLAN... THE MOST COMPLEX ONE, WAS TO KILL 6 BILLION... TO SAVE. TWO. BILLION.
Uchikoshi was high, there's no other way this shit actually happened.
>>343477217
I don't know if they account for spelling errors, but you've gotbroochwrong.
Even though Q was supposedly blind and deaf, couldn't they have tried touching him to communicate with him or did everyone really just not give a fuck?
>>343477314
VLR is my favorite and I think many would definitely consider the best. ZTD is definitely a step down in quality, but it's still good,and honestly after you finish VLR it's hard not to want to play ZTD.
>>343477345
The Myrmidon army existed before this game. He likely created a cloning machine based off the Transporter research.
>>343477462
it makes sense
>let all 8 billion humans die
>or kill 6 billion to save 2 billion
>>343477314
VLR is entirely a setup for ZTD and ZTD is entirely a setup for ZE4.
>>343477314
VLR is great, both in its own right and as part of the series, but it's not nearly as good as 999 and retroactively diminishes 999's worth as a standalone title. ZTD is alright, but it uses up valuable story time either repeating itself or copying story beats from VLR. It's worth playing, if only for the closure.
>>343477462
>he reads the minds of millions of people but did not find a single fucking lead to who the terrorist is
>therefore the next best idea, knowing of the existence of SHIFTers beforehand, is to just kill 75% of the world and hope he dies
>>343477612
999 was never a standalone title, you're lying to yourself if you think it had a satisfying ending.
>>343466314
Every ending is canon
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