Dark Souls III DLC
>Hopes
>Fears
>Favorite Iteration. No tiers.
>>341993815
We need the Wanderer armour back for starters
>FEARS
Still no poise
It's been heavily hinted that one of the DLCs will deal with Abyss stuff and Londor, I would be surprised if that's not the case.
>Finished DeS
>Never finished DaS1, got bored after Anor Londo
>Played through DaS2 multiple times
>Never finished DaS3, got bored during Lothric Castle
I don't even know why I keep bothering with this series.
>>341994034
Nah, we need new armor sets, there's already too much stuff from previous games
>>341993815
Hope they make a good game for the first time in their lives
>>341994665
It's pretty much a meme to stay awake long enough to make it to the end.
>>341994665
Dark souls 2 was a bit shit in a number of ways, but it was amazing in the 'videogame' videogame aspect.
Years ago each level was radically different. You had your parachute levels, your lava levels, your puzzle levels, etc. Dark souls 2 applied that to the series.
More spears.
>>341996002
If you ever put a single point into vit you're a retard
>>341996002
I don't know how overtime people have forgotten the meaning of dump stat and applied it to the exact opposite meaning. It's supposed to be the worthless one.
>>341994665
I 100%d DaS2. I cant even finish DaS3. It just so boring
>>341996002
>not pumping up luck
>not using the best PvE weapon in the game
>>341996002
Is Faith that bad? Aren't some weapon buffs good for PvP?
>>341996449
all magic stats are equal.
>>341996380
Bandit knife?
>>341996449
Miracles are shit and has way too high requirements.
>>341996592
>Bandit knife?
ASS with carthus rouge
>>341993815
I hope for a lot a bloodborne style stuff. The fantasy shit is getting really boring.
>>341994687
I do agree with you, but I'd personally really like the Wanderer set back.
>>341994319
Poise is shit and I'm glad it's gone, I hope they remove the stat altogether.
>>341994319
>poiseshitters getting this assblasted
I fucking love it.
>>341996741
>not raw ASS
One job, anon.
>>341996772
Bloodborne and the Cthulhu Mythos are American Fantasy.
>>341996821
Not that ASS, the other one that scales with luck and cannot be infused.
>>341993815
More monster bosses.
One of the main reasons why DS1 is so much better than 3 is 3 did the whole BIG GUY IN ARMOR thing again.
I don't get it, either, cause in Bloodborne they clearly showed us they can do good monster bosses.
Well, at least the bosses were fun, unlike DS2
>>341993815
>hopes
more dancer, the cut armors being added back into the main game, seeing Londor, stuff about the angels
>fears
I can't really say, just hope that the level design's not as bad as it was in 2
>Favorite iteration
I dunno, I really like Dark Souls 3 and I think it improves on a lot of stuff.
>>341996772
>Ayy lmaos caused the eclipse
or alternatively
>Humanity/hollows actually are Ayy lmaos
>>341996891
>bloodborne
>american fantasy
>>341993815
I want a DLC that actually expands on what the hell Londor is,and actually adds worthwhile offensive miracles[/spoilers]
>>341996795
What makes poise gay to me atleast is the fact that its in the game and its turned off. Don't fucking have it in the game and create items and armors based around high poise that are basically worthless. No one is going to wear Havels if it means pumping a shit ton into VIT and they will still get staggered from a rat. Just don't put this shit along with the stat in the game if you don't want it to function.
>>341997097
Niche northeast USA HP Lovecraft fantasy.
>warp into new dlc zone
>you stand at the bottom of a fucking mountain
>some evil shit going on at the top
>there is a long road zig-zagging up
>at each turn there is a mini boss
And the final boss at the top throws boulders down at you once in a while.
>>341997175
Londor is New Londo from DS1. Bam. Saved you 15 dollars.
Why the FUCK can't you be invaded after clearing the area? This shit is fucking retarded and only ruins the fun of the game.
>>341997198
it is in the game. Problem is it's only there when you're swinging a weapon which grants hyper armor.
I think I like 3 with its focus on attack over defense, and bosses before levels before overall sense id pace the least.
I hae my issues with two, but at least it tried some things I found interesting.
I still think getting the warp from the start, if at all, is overall a bad thing for the game. Too many shortcuts on top of that in 3 obviously.
>>341997362
I know that, but what's the sable church? What's Kaathe up too? Is "the deep" just the true abyss from New Londo?
>>341997175
Why are the current offensive miracles so piss weak besides the lighting spears anyway?
>>341997549
>>341997549
Probably due to the lore of the "three pillars of lothric", but also a response to how busted day 1 miracles from DS2 were.
>>341997539
>Sable Church
New londo assassins
>Kaathe
If they're immortal? Being a cunt. Not? Dead.
>Is "The Deep"...
Probably a second name for the abyss used by the dark priests
>>341997376
because from are stupid and decided that almost everything from 2 had to go
>>341996002
VGR is pointless in DS3 since armor actually does something now, you could be SL1 and you won't get one shotted from Dancer.
Is it better to wait for a super complete edition of the game or just get it now? I've never played a Souls game while it is relatively new.
Then again I spent most of the time hollowed.
>>341999220
There's going to be 2 DLC packs, and the second will come out around early 2017. It's better for your wallet to get it once a complete addition comes out, but there's no saying how long that'll take. Your call.
>>341996002
This picture is disgusting.
>raw
That might work for whimpy short swords but big boy weapons scale better than the raw adjustment gives.
>luck being bad
seriously? bleed builds are actually really viable in 3. put your luck to 40 or even 35 and you can make a dude bleed in like 3 maybe 4 hits in PvP. Thats ontop of your base damage so you catch a dude in a full combo he's gonna run away and chug because hes got a sliver of health left.
>>341999220
If you've never played a souls game you might as well keep waiting then. Hopefully the first one will be good.
>>341996002
NOOB DETECTED
>>341997383
Hyper armor is active even if you are naked. Poise doesn't come into play there
>>341999220
Eh, really depends on if you're going to be a PvE player or PvP player.
Hopes: Desert Area, Something that clarifies what happened to the Abyss, Something that explains what Deep is and why it is separate from Dark, Something that gives a definitive answer on the state of the world at the end
Fears: Being at all comparable to Crown of the Iron King, Feeling like I'm in an area of no value or consequence, Leaving the broken poise system untouched, Having no 1v1 arena like 1 and 2 had
Iteration: 3 is the best but it is completely unreplayable. 1 was perfect as I had no idea what I was getting into. 2 is actually replayable but by far the worst in terms of PVE content. BB is just okay, weapon variety sucks even after the DLC.
Demon's Souls is my favorite because of the level design.
>>342000740
>Leaving the broken poise system untouched
Reminder that poise is working as intended
>>342001052
Do we know exactly what it does?
I haven't played for a while so last I heard it did practically nothing.
>>342001307
There have been a bunch of people on plebbit testing.
Last thing I heard was that poise allowed you to complete hyper armor attacks
Any news about the dlc(s)?
>>341999421
Yeah this is what I'm worried about, what if there is no complete edition? DaS1 only has it on PC, DaS2 only on PS4 and BB wasn't Namco Bandai.
>>342000152
>>341999956
It's not, I've just finished DaS1 and going into DaS2. I've summoned help for BB and got invaded about twice in DaS1, most of the time my online interactions were limited to messages and bloodstains. Seeing as DaS3 is somewhat new, I imagine it'd be a different experience with more frequent invasions and other stuff.
Since I got into the games really late into their lifespans, I never actually got into PvP.
>>342001694
If you want more player interaction, release was the best time to get into the game, now is the second best time.
I want some more of this glorious bastard and his knights
>>342001307
>>342001562
Yeah it seems to be this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v3fi804W0I
It might have other uses as well but who knows
>>342001887
Better late than later I guess, I'll just get the season pass. Thanks for the input.
>>341997268
>Niche
lol
>>342000740
what makes you say DaS3 is unreplayable? to me it's the most replayable of the DaS games because of the structure -- it's so easy to run through the game to spec a new character or try out a challenge run. DaS is one of the best games for replaying in this way, of course, but DaS3 is also good for different reasons -- the linearity of the main story opens up a lot of possibilities for quick runs, and the dancer skip allows for easy and quick upgrading. I frequently find myself starting a new run just because I'm bored, and it only takes a few hours.
>>341996002
>He believed the RAW weapons are finally good meme!
Look at this fool, look at him and laugh.
>>342003414
Not to mention that it has the best pacing in the series
>>341996449
Duel Charms
Because why should people be allowed to use that buff that requires 30 Proofs of Accord Kept rite?
>>341999887
>use this build it's really good, it let's you ALMOST kill someone with a combo
Meanwhile my SL100 faithbuilds 2hko's everything with less than 1500HP by pressing l2, r2, r2 (long). It even hyperarmors through everything but fully loaded r2's from ultra weapons
>>342005128
Lothric knight greatsword by the way
>>341994319
It hurts everyday.
>>341996218
>Whooping 9 vitality
>>341996002
>He doesn't have a Luck/Dex build
LFMAO
Prediction for the DLCs
>We'll meet either Frampt or Kaathe
>We'll probably go to Londor
>Possibility of time travel elements like AotA and Ds2
>Hopeful that we'll finally meet Velka, hopefully in the last DLC, giving closure to a bunch of plot points
>>342005863
Got one of these with onikiri&ubadachi. Just spam l2,l1 and watch people bleed
>>341996325
Holy shit i thought i was the only one who is bored as fuck with ds3 yet keep replaying ds2.
>>341996218
>making your character for pure efficiency rather than dressing him stylishly
Guess you just don't like light-rolling while looking fresh, pleb.
>yfw the boreal valley was created when the painting leaked into the real world, freezing it over
>>341993815
I just want some decent looking armor and more weapons with varied movesets
Seeing every weapon in the same class have the same moveset is heartbreaking
>>341996218
I had a character with vit investment, and he go damage reduction on to of being able to wear heavier shit.
I used the prepatch (it's even better now) Caestus with heavy armor and I felt almost like the Juggernaut.
>>342006049
Velka.. nice one, didnt think of that. Id like to meet yuria's two sisters in addition to kaathe. Also Id like to see lothrics mother, the one that was presumed to be locked in that cage above the archives and then rescued by angels. While we're at it, show me what those drang soldiers are doing in lothric. Finally, the pontiff/dancer/vordt/aldrich storyline begs for more
We desperately need:
>Londor
>Snek Fight
>DaS2 tie in with Aldia involved in some capacity
>>342006427
They show up to greet you if you get the Dark Lord ending, Yuria's sisters that is. They kinda just look exactly the same.
>>342006427
The lady locked in the cage isn't Lothric's mother. It's the "Heavenly Daughter Gertrude". Lothric, Lorian and Ocelote's mother is another character, only referred to as "The Queen of Lothric" and she fucked off after giving birth to Ocelote.
>>342006808
But I didnt get to kill them. And for someone who was one of the fabled founders of the sable church, she was quite underwhelming in battle
>>342007138
Since Oceiros calls Ocelotte a "child of dragons", I can but assume his mother had to fuck dragon-form-Oceiros to have him, soooo... can't blame her for noping the hell out after that.
>>342007138
You're right.
"Miracle of Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter.
Brings down multiple pillars of light in vicinity.
The Queen's holy maiden Gertrude was visited by an angel, who revealed this tale to her.
Despite losing both her sight and voice, she was determined to record the tale. Ordinary men cannot decipher her fragmentary scrawl, nor comprehend how it became the foundation of the Angelic faith of Lothric."
"Miracle taught to knights by Gertrude, holy maiden to the Queen.
Gradually restores a large amount of HP.
The Heavenly Daughter is said to be the Queen's child."
They're two distinct characters.
>>342007241
At least her bones a little kindling shall make.
>>342001694
Scholar of the first sin is on PC too though.
>>342006251
What the heck are you talking about? There's at least 5 distinct movesets in the Greatsword class alone.
The only classes that really suffers this problem is the Scythes and Whips.
This isn't nearly as bad as how DS2 was, which took away the special movesets from the Black Knight weapons, and half the boss weapons were just regular ones with a different skin.
>>341993815
>Fight lord of cinder at the end. Ultimate being made up of all individuals who linked the fire
>DLC, fight the ultimate dark lord, made up of all the people who chose the dark ending.
Would buyIf I had a PS4
>>342007494
Greatswords largely have the same moveset except for 2 having the superior DaS2 moveset
Weapon arts don't really count as a "unique moveset" when it's like 1 different move
Yeah different goalpost and shit but that's what I mean. DaS2 had way more different movesets, especially in the DLC so I'm hoping for the same in DaS3
>>341997549
Because Faith is your shield.
Sunless realms
>>341997549
the lighting spears are shit too
>>342007492
EVERYTHING including DS DLC are on PC. that anon is a retarded PCuck. The only onrs are BB and DeS cus they are sony (cant believe have to explain this to /v/)
>>342003849
Why would you ever go raw when there are like 3 or 4 better options if you're not impatient
>>342007306
>get fucked three-ways by Seath and your dad locks your kid up in a painting
>marry a flame god and leave him because of reasons
>come to lothric and marry the king in hopes of starting a new life
>surprise, he's a furfag like your other brother and your kid turns out even worse than your first
>your brother and probable daughter both get fucked up by the pope madman
>also your husband goes batshit and kills the baby
>either leaves Lothric or just dies altogether and reincarnates as a mute, Bride of Frankenstein lady
Gwynevere has had a hard life.
>>342007879
ITS ON PC YOUR POOT STUPID FAGGOT
>>342008341
You forgot
>If you do reincarnate as mute lady, you get killed by some douchebag and your soul gets dumped in your first bedroom
>>341993815
Did everyone git gud at the game?
I couldnt beat Nameless King at launch, not even with helpers and most of the people I tried to help as a summon couldnt beat him either
Yesterday I booted up the game after a two month break and switched to a Greataxe STR build, put my sign down and killed him like 4 times in a row as a helper, before finally decided to beat him myself and I did
>>342008373
>Playing a souls game
>On the PC
That's some 'go 'za level hunkery bond aperty
>hopes
-an actual challenging boss fight, the base game lacks any
-something to do with nito since his stuff was the only one to not appear in the main game (Inb4 aldrich)
-go back in time to meet the pygmy before he becomes manus
>fears
-no challenging bosses
-miracles and spells still shit
-more artorias pandering
>>341996795
Poise isnt gone yet it is just very situational
>>341997383
Hyper armor activates regardless of poise
The Stat is LITERALLY TURNED OFF this has been tested by many. Don't buy the working as intended garbage
>>341997298
Thats a game already
>>342007998
Ignoring WAs
>Bastard Sword moveset shared with Flamberge, MLGS, Sword of Judgement.
>Claymore Moveset
>Hollowslayer moveset shared with Drakeblood
>BKS moveset
>Wolf Knight Sword moveset
Same for UGSs
>Zwei moveset, shared with Lothric UGS, Profaned and Astora
>Greatsword moveset
>FUGS moveset, shared with Cathedral UGS
>BKUGS moveset
And Spears
>Spear moveset, shared with Winged Spear
>Partizan moveset, shared with Swordspear
>Dragonslayer moveset, shared with Arstor Spear? I've never used it.
>Pike moveset, shared with Lothric Long Spear
>Greatlance moveset
Now please tell me how different this is from DS2.
>>342009056
They've already made a few videos of that other anon's claims.
I hope we get an deific boss fight with this unused song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHDsw4FioQ
Also more weapons with unique movesets and put in the unused gold tracer and Yhorms armor
>>342008341
If she actually iswith all the evidence and allusions I 100$ believe she totally isRosaria then she actually became mute on giving birth to Lorian, her eldest son.
>>341993815
still waiting for poise
>>342007879
I imagine the Soul of Dark or whatever it'd be called as a Darkwraith/Elite Knight mix, going for a similar style as the Firelink Armor but in it's in direction.
It raises the question though as what'd happen to your harem of hollow waifus if you do fight the Dark Lord. Do you claim your rightful position or get kicked out of Londor?
>>342008570
I thought Leonhard was told to kill her if she reincarnates but that's also based on his dialogue so he's not the best source of info for that.
>>342009516
Personally I think Leonhard just took his service to her a bit too far. He was eternally dedicated to her, to the point where he wanted to protect her very soul and keep it safe from anyone that might threaten it, including you.
>>341996218
On my current run, I wanted to go with heavy armor and a Cathedral Greatsword, so I had to put a bunch of points into VIT to get it running. It actually makes more of a difference than you would think. The Pontiff Knights didn't do a whole lot of damage to me, and I have a significant amount more defense than one of my other characters, who's 20 levels above this one. If you have a build that only requires one stat for damage, it's a worthwhile investment.
>>342008840
>something to do with nito since his stuff was the only one to not appear in the main game (Inb4 aldrich)
Weird how it's basically the opposite in Ds2. There's very little mention of the lords, except Nito, who's directly mentioned in dialogue.
>>342006229
>yfw Sulyvahn was originally a bonewheel skeleton
Dark Souls 3 DLC: Quest for Poise
Deep into Anor Londo, the Unkindled finds Frampt being tortured by Aldrich Faithful deacons by stunlocking him.
After you kill the deacons, Frampt is blown away out how he was being stunlocked despite being fuckin' huge and made of poise. With this, Frampt eats you and transports you to Drangleic to find out where did poise go after Dark Souls 2 ended and Dark Souls 3 began.
Final Boss: Hidetaka Miyazaki (has maxed poise and turns on the function for the battle, making it possible for you to poise through his attacks too if you wish)
>>342008341
Why do lorefags assume that only three people ever lived in the entire timeline of the series?
>>342010705
10/10 would play
who is furtive pygmy
>>342010219
I guess you could say the lore was pretty fuckin'cool
>>341994319
This right here.
I miss my poise..
>>342011108
We don't know. And we'll never know for certain. Strongest evidence points towards Manus but there are like 10 holes in that which brings irrefutable uncertainty. So we don't know.
>>342010805
There's like a million hints towards Gwynevyre being both the Queen of Lothric and Rosaria.
>>342011385
Just use Perseverance and Iron Flesh and a damn big stick.
>>342011108
He just wanted to be the little girl.
>>342011757
>Demonic force of nature being relegated to a harem of gold diggers
>>342011519
Gwynevere bred like a rabbit. My money's always been on Queen Lothric being a descendant. I mean, at the very least, Gwynevere being smart enough to get the fuck out of Lordran should entitle her to a happy ending of sucking fire dick in some swanky beach villa.
>>342011519
>Just use Perseverance and Iron Flesh and a damn big stick.
or they can just bring back poise like it should be.
i dont want to " pretend " i have it
>>342011918
>feels 2.0
>>342009091
>Spears and pikes are the only two spear movesets
>Katanas are all almost exactly the same
>Longswords are almost exactly the same
>UGSs pretty much one have 2 different movesets except for the Astoras greatsword which has a unique moveset
>curved swords are all almost exactly the same
>Curved greatswords are the same
>Daggers are the same
All off the top of my head
And you have to remember that many of these movesets are ripped almost entirely straight from DaS1
DaS2 had more variation within in a class, tons and tons of worthwhile boss weapons with unique movesets, tons of viable weapons, and a good amount of oddball weapons with really interesting movesets like santiers spear
DaS3 just feels lacking in comparison and its made worse by the fact that many weapon classes have 1, 2 maybe clear cut best weapon for the class
I'm not trying to just argue with you anon but I really loved how many different fun weapons I found in DaS2 where in DaS3 there's maybe 5 that I like and they all benefit from the same build. It's a subjective think know but that's how I feel
Will they ever fix the glitches wall in the Farron Swamp? That shit has no purpose
>>342011876
Gwyndolin still looking fine (enough to be devoured) means it can't have been that long since DS1, and lord soul offspring seem to have really long lives so I don't think it could be a descendant. It kinda makes sense that she would eventually come back and try to make a new life.
>happy ending
Where do you think we are?
>>342011918
It's not pretending, it literally gives you full unbreakable poise for a time limit. Why not just embrace the change for what it is and play with what the game gives you? One of these days I'm gonna put my theory poise tank build into action and I swear if it's easy and works really well I'm coming after all of you.
I just wanna know what those damn pilgrim butterflies are.
My favorite in the series so far has been Dark Souls 3. Some people hate the linearity of it, but I think it's a much better video game overall compared to the previous ones in terms of gameplay. It certainly feels better to play than Dark Souls 2, and the game flows a hell of a lot nicer than the clusterfucky metroidvania-esque Dark Souls 1 that loses a lot of its fun after Anor Londo.
The only thing it really needs to improve on is letting people have access to more of the weapons earlier on. While I have already ran through the game multiple times, I'm starting to run out of ideas for builds. And I'm not doing faith because faith is shit.
>>342012626
filthy casual newfag
>>342012692
Only idea I got, and that many share is that they could be the Londor Pilgrims transformed. Gives a reason to their pilgrimage, makes their thing on their back akin to a cocoon, and they share a name.
As for the reason why they did this, no fucking clue.
>>342012626
>>342011876
considering anor londo got suckered into Lothric I wouldn't be surprised if she got pulled in, too. Or left Flann.
There IS a reason that the Queen goes unnamed, I'm sure.
The only possible father for Yorshka is Oceiros, because she and Priscilla have the same design going on the way Seath did. Which would make it a logical conclusion that Ocelot is another dragon-crossbreed baby...
Just, a bit worse off. Because Oceiros is in full on Bad Dragon when Gwynevere slides this one out.
Why is Anor Londo so chilly?
>>342013006
Sounds about right. They look kinda like dragons so I felt they might be somewhat related, but when you take a closer look at them they don't look like dragons at all so I don't know.
I'm also hoping we get to go to Londor. It seems Londor might be what used to be New Londo Ruins, which I think would be cool to revisit as long as it's completely redesigned and not just the same area with a different atmosphere like Anor Londo.
>>342013006
Well they circle around Lothric Castle so protecting Prince Lothric? Everything about Lodor is so weird
>>342012626
There have been several thousands if not millions of years since ds1. The characters might not age, but still are fucking ancient.
>Andre is supposed to be a normal human and still there.
Fucking from and the fanservice.
>>342012143
I'm not going to argue with you because you're just plain wrong. I dont care if this was bait or pretense or plain retardation. You are objectively wrong and you're an idiot for taking this so seriously
>>342013421
Would make sense it being New Londo. The name being the first clue. It's always been a city of hollows, last time we saw Kaathe (and we know he's in / heavily related to Londor) it was in New Londo.
>>342013603
>>Andre is supposed to be a normal human and still there.
He's unkindled ash, just like you and most of the other npcs
>>342013673
Speaking of Kaathe, if we go to Londor I think it would be a really nice touch to find him there, or any primordial serpent, really.
>>342013430
Would make sense for them to protect Lothric. That way random fucks won't be able to kill him to get his ashes necessary to link the flame, hence bringing forth the age of dark they want. The fact that you have to go through the armor regardless of your allegiance could just be a test if you're going to become the lord of hollows, or them actively trying to stop you if you're trying to link the flame.
>>342012143
Not counting weapon arts and talking about variation in R1/R2s:
Spears have about 3 maybe 4 movesets.
Katanas have 2
Straight swords have 3
UGS's have I think 4 actually
Curved swords have 2
Daggers actually have 2 along with 2 offhand movesets (and parrying dagger has none which is fucking stupid)
And there's paired weapon versions of spears, katanas, straight swords, curved swords and daggers.
I do think the problem does stem from them reusing the DS1 movesets but there's still at least a decent amount of variety to be found if you look for it. I couldn't shake the feeling that for some weapons they relied only on the weapon art to make it unique though but a lot of them do go quite a long way. They kinda threw the dragonbaby out with the bathwater as far as DS2 was concerned, they could have brought back the movesets of both DS1 and 2 weapons and spread them throughout the weapon classes, but alas. I hope they do some really crazy shit in the dlc. I want a dagger with the Weapon Skill art.
>>342013868
I don't think we'll see Kaathe. FROM NEVER lets us see the NPCs that shape the world while they're active. They always either dead or on their way to being dead. We'll probably see some other Primordial Serpent.
>>342013183
Yorshka is gwyndolin's direct sister, so she's a daughter of gwyn
Weapon descriptions keep telling me that lothric knights were dragon hunters (hence the lightning inbued weapons). Yet they have two wyverns guarding the castle and two wyverns in the emblem on their shield. Did they ally up?
>>342014046
You're right. Any primordial serpent appearing would be cool, though.
Not that I think it'll happen at all, but I also think it'd be really cool to have that Darkwraith boss that was cut from DS1.
>>342014046
We got to see Gwyndolin, Frampt and Kaathe in Dark souls 1. They were pretty major players and weren't dying (gwyndolin not dying from the CU being made canon in ds3).
Ds2 gave use Nashandra, the only final boss in the three games you get to meet before killing it. Vendrick is a prime exemple of what you're talking about, you only meet him when he's done.
I guess you're right when it comes to Dark Souls 3. Other than Yuria there's not many major players you get to meet that aren't dead, mandatory to kill, out of the game or insane.
>>342013210
Well it's been countless years since Gwynevere ditched Anor Londo, and it seems like the flame just abandoned Anor Londo altogether combined with the Deacons of the Deep utterly defiling the land (and its connection to Ithryll due to time space fuckery).
When are they going to release the first one?
I didnt kill the last boss because I dont want to play the DLCs on NG+
>>342014508
"A well-crafted straight sword designed for thrusting attacks, wielded by the venerable Knights of Lothric.
The Knights of Lothric, with their drakes, once crushed anything that threatened their shores. Of course, that was a long, long time ago."
"In Lothric, the Knight has long been considered one of the Three Pillars of the king's rule, and were thus allowed to rear dragons."
They did ally up with drakes at some point. Very likely due to Oceiros having a major dragon boner.
>>342014757
>No new posts
you can kill the last boss and beat the game, it will ask you before you continue to NG+
>>342014089
>people still believe this
I bet you also believe Seathe fucked Tits McGee to make Priscilla, right?
>>342012963
Y-You too?
>>342013183
Actually I always thought that Lothric was basically Lordran in the far future, although I also thought that since the world is on the brink of fuckery it's actually pulling the "transient lands" closer in a vain attempt to return the Lords to the flame.
Yorshka says her brother is Gwyndolin, and if she's to be believed then that would make Gwynevere and her sisters. She's definitely related to Priscilla in some way though, perhaps they're not blood related siblings and she's Priscilla's daughter. I don't think she's related to Oceiros though, he was never a full dragon and I can't see him producing a child that's so... convincingly half-dragon in any of his potential states, so that would leave her being another daughter of Seath or Priscilla I think.
>>342013603
Oh, when I say not long I mean not long enough that she would be dead or gone, but yeah it's been enough time to reshape the land.
>>341993815
I hope the DLC doesn't add a billion more "greatsword"-class weapons. DaS2 went way, WAY fucking overboard with greatswords.
What I do hope they add is more greataxes, preferably with unique movesets.
Clarification on "the Deep" and what happened to the queen. And I'm also hoping they finally fix the fucking poise.
Did you guys know poise affects your i-frames after getting stunlocked? That's fucking stupid and obscure as shit. And you get roll poise for no reason, too.
The fact that you can't stack poise anymore (you get diminishing returns if you try) is proof that they were going to bring the old DaS1 poise back, but severely nerfed. The numbers are there, they just decided to not include it for some reason. I'm sick of stunlocks ever since Bloodborne, but you're a cloth-wearing dexfag in that game so it made sense that everything staggered you.
>>342013980
I think that's part of the issue along with the fact that there isn't any powerstancing at all, and no offhand weapon has a full moveset
>>342013613
Fuck off
>>342014671
Gwyndolin depends on whether you believe Gwyn thought up the Linking of the Fire or Frampt did. But I guess I'll concede to that one. Nashandra too although I consider Nashandra's motivations to be pretty dumb. Although half the reason for that is because I don't like the way 2 presented the First Flame
>Give myself infinite slabs
>Get permanently thrown in the cheater server
I guess I deserve this
>>342014757
I believe the first one is coming in August or September with the other one probably coming out in January. The fact that there are only two and so spaced out gives me hope that they'll be big.
>>342010690
How'd he get flesh back then?
>>342014671
You get to meet the pontiff who rules irithyl, has outrider knights all throughout the realm and decides the fates of gods by feeding them to aldrich or imprisoning them. Also you get to meet lothric who condems an entire realm by not sparking the flame and might just be the first to let the flame fade. But indeed nothing beats ds1 where you meet the original god, one of his sons, an illusion of one of his daughters, the father of the abyss and some other cool guys
>>341994319
Yeah it's annoying.
The worst part is they said it's working as intended, so we're not getting it back.
I like armor, it's one of the reasons I prefer dark souls to Bloodborne, but it this it just feels like I'm changing skin.
>>342015095
Why would you even need infinite slabs? The game gives you like four per playthrough, and I can't imagine wanting to use more than three.
>>342015006
>no offhand weapon has a full moveset
It baffles me that they'd get rid of the best idea DS2 brought.
>>342015402
He stole it from the citizens of Anor Londo
>>342011510
What holes?
>>342014974
>not picking up some of the easiest lore of the game
Priscilla is just gwyndolin in his dream
>>342015698
That's retarded.
>>342015495
Eight. Eight per playthrough. Without farming you wont have enough other materials to get to +4/+9 to use them
>>342015456
I thinking of side characters that aren't mandatory though. While Sully, Lothric and Aldirch sure are major players, they're "on their way to be dead" according to the previous anon's post. That way being the path of your character.
According to that different criteria, Seath and the witch of Izalith could be considered major players, given that their creations are roaming the land. Seath, albeit insane, is still very much active.
The one character we haven't met at all, and is considered by some to be THE major player, in Ds1 at least, is Velka. Which is why I'm really hoping we get to meet her in a future DLC.
>>342015567
Not that anon, but one of the problems is that the pygmy was said to have split his lord soul, aka the dark soul, into innumerabal little pieces, thus creating humans. We are told Manus is the way he is due to having too much humanity within him. It doesn't make much sense for Manus to be the pygmy, because the pygmy split his soul, and in turn, his humanity, into countless pieces. It doesn't add up in terms of what we're told.
Then again, with all of Dark Souls lore essentially being word of mouth from npc's, it's hard to determine if anything is entirely true.
I don't really like this way of doing story, as it leaves far too much open.
>>342015894
>my opinion
Kill yourself you fucking cancer
>>342015920
Still, that's 8 weapons you can max out per playthrough. Why would you ever need more?
>>342015567
The problem with Manus = Furtive Pygmy is that nothing in the game concretely states that Manus = Furtive Pygmy. Oh it certainly points in his direction 5 different ways but not enough to be 100% sure. I'll give a few examples:
Both Elizabeth and Chester refer to Manus as "primeval human." The only problem is that we don't know if Manus is A primeval human or THE primeval human. Manus could definitely be the Furtive Pygmy then again he could also be one of the first generation humans that the pygmy produced. And agewise they'd still be primeval.
Then you have his soul which, unlike any other soul, is dark all the way through while every other soul shines as though it's on fire. even Artorias after being corrupted by Dark still had the core of his soul shining. But then the game never explicitly calls it a Lord Soul unlike the others. It only refers to it as Humanity.
Then there's the fact that Manus's grave looks ceremonial like he was an important person in life. But then hey it's been 1000 years since Gwyn linked the Fire and who knows how long since the war with the dragons. Any number of important humans could've died and got important graves since then.
There are other reasons but the point is that while we get gestures towards it none of them are conclusive.
Dark Souls 1: LOrdran
Dark Souls 2: drangleIC
Dark Souls THRee
LO-THR-IC
go figure
>>342015495
you can actually get 8 per playthrough and I dunno cause you want to try more than 3 weapons without having to spend 15 hours each time to do so?
>>342016112
Your opinion is retarded
>>342016039
Manus isn't said to have to much humanity in him, he's said to have had his humanity "go wild" after the people of Oolacile unearthed him and started fucking with his shit.
Even then, we know it's possible for creatures to absorb humanity, if he was the pygmy, it's possible that he absorbed way too much humanity for any single creature, since maybe he still had a good chunk of it left.
>>342015973
Agreed about velka. But how could you consider seathe and witch of izalith not major characters? It was seathe and gwyn who took down and ended the age of dragons, ushering in the age of fire. The witch of izalith, in her proces of recreating the original flame since it was fading, created pyromancy, chaos and demons. Id say thats pretty important
>>342016039
With that you have to consider that Humanity doesn't act like other Souls. Unlike Gwyn who gives a shard of his soul away and is therefore lesser because of it, Humanity doesn't seem to lose any of its power after being split. From whoever the first generation humans are it just continued to split and grow and split and grow long after the Pygmy's death. And it doesn't seem to lose power, in fact it seems to grow in power as the Flame fades. To the point where it can become harder to hold on to and eventually just wander off entirely. So I can buy that the Pygmy, who has the original dark soul, can just produce it non-stop.
>>342015006
Powerstancing and the current dual wielding is quite similar really, it's just you can only do it with the specific weapons and those weapons don't have their two hand moveset. I do want powerstance back though, it just gave more variety to things. I'm not totally sore about offhand weapons not having their full moveset so much as them changing a lot of them to be worse and with less uniqueness. For example, the only thrusting sword that can parry now is the humble Rapier, when before it was a staple of the weapon type along with curved swords. Don't even get me started on the Parrying Dagger, although some daggers have a different attack and a reverse grip which is cool and actually more useful than I originally thought. There's just pockets of unused potential scattered everywhere along with some odd design choices.
>>342015504
They built the game off of DS1 instead of DS2 since Miyazaki was in charge and I imagine he was more familiar with it, and according to an interview thing I saw posted he had like one guy in charge of telling him what to bring back from DS2. Seems weird to me, I guess he just didn't play the game himself.
>>342001307
Poise apparently increases the amount of I frames (or recovery frames cant remember which) after you are staggered by a hit.
so its still basically a worthless stat
>>342002239
This so much.
I want more Boreal. I want more Pontiff.
>hopes
Give me my Primordial Serpent lore, From. It's the final game, at least let it grant me SOME closure to the more nebulous points of the series
>fears
It will completely ignore all the open questions that III leaves in its plot and focus on some inconsequential nonsense like Carthus.
>>341994665
Are you me?
Jesus christ.
>>342016593
It also determines how long you remain open after being parried
>>341994665
your existence is a festering wound
>>342016232
Furtive Pygmy never was a lord. He found a soul as powerful as the others but never became a "Lord" like Gwyn, Nito and the Witch. The soul of Manus IS called "extraordinary" however. The bequeathed lord soul shards from dark souls 1 call the soul of *Lord* Gwyn a *Lord* Soul AND a "Great" Soul.
>>342016836
by removing some frames from your recovery animation? That would help, but ,from what ive heard, apparently one hand and two handed parries do the same damage in DaS3. so it doesnt even matter
Gwyndolin was raised by a moon. Could this be the link with bloodborne?
>>342016497
They are major players, just not at the time the game takes place. The original anon said that you never meet major players when they're still active, either dead, or very soon to be. Despite all their great acts of the past, the lords of Dark Souls 1 all fit that description. Gwyn is as good as dead, Nito isn't active, Witch isn't herself anymore and is going to die by your hand, and Seath's also going to die.
Hence why I said the only characters that fit the "Major player that is STILL active, and isn't going to die" were the two serpents and Gwyndolin.
>>342016647
Carthus and Wolnir have some similarities with what happened in Dark Souls 2 though, what with all the crowns and such.
I could see them trying to tie up the clusterfuck of loose ends that was Dark Souls 2 in one dlc and close up loose ends of Dark Souls 1 in the other.
>>342017058
>Furtive Pygmy never was a lord
He is, though.
The thing is, the other 3 either didn't know he existed, or didn't care, because fuck humans.
>>341993815
one of the two dlcs needs to center around the Primordial Serpents.
It needs to do what Old Hunters did with Bloodborne in terms of lore/lovecraft
>>342017660
Yeah, I saw Wolnir as pretty much a direct reference to Dark Souls 2 with the whole "Up until a point crowns were granted judiciously to proper lords, until Wolnir came and crushed all the crowns into one". Like pretty much From putting saying "this is what happened to Drangleic and environments, it all got conquered by desert people".
![[INSERT PUN HERE].png](https://i.imgur.com/TiRRVci.jpg "[INSERT PUN HERE].png")
>>342016643
I want more of dat ass
>>342018096
I think focusing too much on the serpents might ruin them. Just sort of allude to things but let them live on as manipulative assholes who fuck over everyone for their own gains. Maybe bring up a few questions like do all the serpents wish for an Age of Dark and Frampt was an outlier? Or do every serpent has have their own machinations that they work behind the scenes? Or all they all on the same team just farming human conflict for some goal?
>>342018302
>>342016643
Agreed.
Also, finding out what happened to Ciaran would be nice.
>>342018302
Don't we all ?
I want to know what she was before being that.
>>341996449
>Is Faith that bad? Aren't some weapon buffs good for PvP?
I just finished a FTH/DEX build and it was really tough to get going but eventually became a lot of fun once I could upgrade my weapon and had some decent miracles.
>ctrl + f Velka
>4 results
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Nobody cares. Forget about her. The devs did.
>enter fog wall
>yfwGwynevere, Princess of Sunlightappears at the bottom of the screen
>>342018445
Frampt comes out and bows down to you in Dark Souls 1 if you got Dark Lord route. They're probably just boot lickers secretly manipulating their masters, with both Kaathe and Frampt working different angles to make sure to be able to manipulate the outcome no matter what.
>>342018136
Fucking sandniggers ruining everything again.
>>342018529
I want to know her relationship with the Pontiff. Surely she must have been important enough to Sulyvahn for him to give her swords that match his own
>>342018742
Why did people care so much about her anyway?
>>342018778
Damn. That would actually be pretty cool.
>>342018742
Her statue and a few gameplay mechanics are tied to her in Dark Souls 3 though.
>>342018445
The problem is, Kaathe is in a position that pretty much demands focus and exploration of its position and, if not motives, at least the ability to stab it in the face. Frampt as well, but slightly less so. It is at this point probably the most influential NPC in the franchise, considering one possible ending of III is it basically using you to wrestle the First Flame from its mantle and contaminate it with the Dark Soul.
>>342018913
It's just weird that she gets so much attention and yet we know almost nothing about her at all. She's basically like another Furtive Pygmy.
>>342018742
She has a statue that can absolve your sins in 3.
>>342018742
She isn't really that important in the grand scheme. Some people assume the crow/raven from DS1 was an agent of Velka, but considering that's never even brought up in anything concrete, it's more likely it could be an agent of Frampt.
>>342018867
She got raped into being his stripper, anon. Pontiff literally fucked her until she couldn't stand up straight.
>>341997070
YAHTZEE !!!
>>342018778
>enter fog wall
>yfwVelka, Queen of Hollows
>>342018858
>Frampt
Is it him, though? I don't remember his VA in the dark lord ending, just Kaathe's
>>342018508
>Ciaran's set
>Gwyndolin's set
I would be a happy man.
I can't wait to see how convoluted getting to the DLC will be.
>>342018913
She oversaw the Darkmoons or Indictments or something like that in DaS1. Shitters like Vaati and ENB loved to talk about her because she provided a potential context to examine anything feathered or crow-like with.
I still distinctly remember ENB doing a video about the first DaS2 trailer and speculating that Shanalotte was Velka or an agent of Velka because of the Aged Feather she's shown giving to the player.
>>342018976
>Her statue
That's it though. Nothing more. And the statue is just a low budget Pardoner. I bet they didn't have the time or money to do a proper one or they're planning a proper "Pardoner" for the DLC.
>>342019076
Well fuck, now I want a doujin
>>342019271
When you become the Dark Lord in DaS1 Kaathe says that both he and Frampt are now your servants.
>>342001307
If you leave 10 pieces of rubbish with pickle pee you get a slab
>>342018742
Velka is in a pretty comfortable position as the arbiter of sin that overlooks the entire world but does not overtly interfere with anything directly. I like the idea that she is the narrator, which gives a new angle to the intro of I as it being the goddess of sin narrating the sins and hubris of the self-proclaimed gods themselves that gave birth to the world as is.
If nothing about her gets explained in more detail, I'd still be happy. Her mystery just serves to imply that she's a force that's beyond the reach of even the Lords themselves.
>>341997070
Most of the beast bosses sucked ass though.
>>342019076
So that's why she doesn't stand up.
>>342019219
What about it? It's an alright game, I guess.
>>342019219
Didn't he enjoy Dark Souls 2?
>>342019219
Everyone felt this way about big armored guys when they were playing the game, not just Yahtzee.
>>341996218
ur the retard, m8
>>342019270
>Enter fog wall
>Velka, Goddess of Sin
>>342019436
>Narrator VA voices her introductory cutscene
>Theme song is similar to Priscilla's
>>341993815
I just hope it will not be another gray cathedral or brown swamp.
>>342019965
That would be uncalled for and incredibly shoehorned in, and yet I want it.
>Hopes
Interesting weapons for new builds
>Fears
No fix to covenants/matchmaking/invasions
>Favorite
PVP:2
PVE:1
>>342019965
that'd be dumb. give me another champion gundyr, like with a shield and mace or something. a couple more of those would be nice actually.
>>342020338
I want toimpress[/spoiler Yuria!
Things we know about Velka:
She determines what is sin and what is not. She also decides the penalty for each sin - Karmic Justice
She's the only god explicitly mentioned to not care about Faith, preferring her subjects to be intelligent instead. -Velka's Talisman
She informed the gods of who sinners were, allowing the Darkmoon Blades to actually mete out the punishment. She doesn't do it herself. - Indictment, Book of the Guilty
She had black hair and even as far as the gods are concerned her range of influence was vast. Also she was versed in arts both new and old. Whatever that means. - Vow of Silence
Velka's powers actually resisted magic - Black Cleric Robes
Also she, or at least her servants, made themselves separate from worldly desires and urged repentance via self reflection. NOT by pledging fealty to the gods. - Mask of Velka
Also while not explicitly stated anywhere Velka seems to be the only god that Carim acknowledges. Yeah they know of Gwyn but they don't hold his name in any high honor or at least it doesn't seem like it.
>>341993815
What are the chances of Bamco releasing a GOTY edition with the DLC? I still haven't played DaS3 because I bought TW3 andUncharted 4.
And when is the DLC coming anyway?
>>342020890
Almost definite. DaS1 got Prepare to Die. DaS2 got Scholar of the First Sin. DaS3 is probably getting something.
>>342021043
I know, I got SotFS on release, but I'm mainly scared because of how small BB's GOTY edition's release was.
>>342020674
>Also while not explicitly stated anywhere Velka seems to be the only god that Carim acknowledges
Fina too, who Lautrec served. Interesting that Fina's worship seems to revolve around receiving gifts that come with a catch (ring of favour and protection) while Velka's worship is about delivering punishment. I bet their respective adherents probably quarrelled a lotwhich is why Oswald imprisoned Lautrec after he followed Oswald from Carim to murder him.
>>342020674
Things people think she did based on that information : She deemed some gods sinful and arranged for their death. Supported by Aldia in Dark Souls 2, calling the first linking of the fire (or obtaining the lord souls at all and killing the dragons depending on interpretation) "The first Sin".
>>342021803
This one is eh. Lords =! gods. The Witch and her daughters are not referred to as gods. Only Gwyn's kin are.
Also the only god that was left in Anor Londo was Gwyndolin. The rest of them Gwyn gave instructions to shepherd the humans. At which point they fucked off and jumped ship from Anor Londo the second Gwyn left.
>>342020256
>You kill her
>"The last sin is avenged"
>She sinned herself and made sure she'd be punished for it
It would be gloriously dumb
>>342020674
Hold on, were the Darkmoon Blades active during the Age of Fire? I thought assassination of Gwyn's enemies fell tot he Lord's Blades. Gwyndolin didn't have any power until Gwyn left and then he became ruler of Anor Londo be default.
>>341996002
>raw
Yeah man I definitely need to deal like 1/2 the damage I currently do. I already have to severely out skill anybody to win an invasion with my curved sword, I don't need to have to hit them even more times.
>>342022761
Since they mention her having a great deal of influence as far as gods are concerned it's clear she was active when the other gods were.
Gwyn's enemies aren't necessarily sinners.
Darkmoon Blades probably acted like inquisitors of Velka, with very little regards to the law of the land and gods during the age of fire, similar to the Abyss Watchers in Ds3, they give no shit about anything but fighting the abyss, toppling kingdoms if they need be.
>>342022276
Quelana is referred to as a deity.
>>342022276
True, there's a shitload of gods mentioned in the games, especially in dark souls 2. Most of them don't seem to be related to Gwyn at all (or real for some). But there's only 4 "great souls" that apparently make you a lord if you have it.
Sunlight / lightning
Death
Fire
Dark
>>342023525
Actually the souls are life, death, light, and dark
The witch of Izalith was life, not fire.
>>342024501
Agreed, but fire is synonymous with life in souls, makes sense for her to have control over fire.
>>342024713
>>342024501
As a side I like how the Chaos flame is basically Dark Souls cancer.
>Basically similar to normal life except that its out of control to the point where it endangers all life around it.
>>342024964
And Dark is some sort of contagious cancer.
Are we in agreement that Pontiff Sulyvahn is one of the most important and interesting characters in Dark Souls 3?
>>342025052
If Chaos is to cancer as the Age of Fire is to life then the Dark is just straight up death and linking the Fire is using more and more unnatural means to prolong your life until you get to Dark Souls 3 and even fucking panacea can't bring you back to the way you were before.
>>342025310
>important
yeah
>interesting
no
>>342025310
Other than Lothric, he's the only character that's purposefully fucking shit up. And massively fucking shit up he is.
Most of the bad stuff that happens in game is due to him, so yes he's pretty important.
