If you factor in aviable weapons, armor, perks, allies etc etc, who would be the strongest protagonist?General Fallout Thread
>>341984145
Maybe the Wanderer? If only for the Fatman.
Of course the Holy Hand Grenade was in Fallout 2. And Goris, the intelligent deathclaw.
>>341984145
That guy who took a fucking bullent into his head, was burried alive and still had 9+ intelligence.
>>341984145
Chosen would be a high pick. The weapons were all overpowered, and if he had a good combat build he could kill everyone else before they could even move.
Dweller would die every time, even with Power Armor and all the stat boosters he just dies too easy, crits happen too often, and the weapons available are under-powered or way too strong for the enemies available, while hyper weak against next game enemies.
Survivor is the wild card. He has literally all the tools of his predecessors, arguably the best armor sets, but his companions are just retreads and recreations of the previous game's companions.
Courier depends on mods or no mods, If mods he wins hands down.
I personally think the blank slate would totally trash the other blank slates.
>>341984145
The Warrior since he or his posse can roll up in a goddamn tank.
Courier has seen the most combat with the biggest variety of enemies canonically. Dude survived The Sierra Madre, Joshua Graham's Tribal Adventure, Big MT and Lonesome Road.
>>341984145
Can't the Survivor level up indefinitely?
That means a maxed out Survivor could have 99 in all stats, making him a force to be reckoned with
>>341987017
The systems change in between games. There was a level 20 cap in Fallout 1. Wouldn't it make more sense to judge by what they accomplish canonically?
>>341984145
Courier is basically fucking Terminator with his brain, heart and spine missing, on top of all the implants you can get.
>>341987161
The Courier is more machine than man?
The Courier is Frank Horrigan of the Mojave?
>>341987349
Even before OWB he was full of cyborg implants from the NV Medical Clinic.
>>341984145
Dweller.
Seriously, Dweller can become so broken that none of the others have even a sliver of chance of besting him.
Chosen is second, because he's more balanced.
>>341985039
The Courier has access to Fat Man launchers too, even an upgraded one.
>>341985039
Courier by far. The guy has bionic implants, some of which were designed by the best scientists of the old world. He also has a giant army beside him no matter what ending you choose, the guy's also battled way stronger enemies than all the others.
>>341984145
Haven't played 1 and 2 but courier.
>>341987906
Opinion discarded.
>picking a fight with the Vault Dweller
You fucked up
>>341985039
Courier could have Archimedes what the fuck can even survive that?
>>341988280
overrated weapon, it's meant for splash damage it's not actually as powerful as you would think. i used to use it against Ranger and Legion hit squads and it never killed anyone. it's good for crippling legs though.
>>341988419
I ended up modding it to fit its lore description.
The one that's a goddamn cyborg (why did they even give you the option of going back to inferior fleshy bits?)
The Chosen since he can develop his Unarmed to such an ability he can 1-punch a Deathclaw.
Lets tally it up by their availible weapons, armor and feats
Dweller
>Went inside Mariposa with only a dog, came out alive
>managed to bamboozle an entire cult
>dealt with the Master
>survived the Glow without power armor
>Most probably had a hardened T51-b, and a turbo plasma repeater
>wandered the wastes ,then founding Arroyo
>Chosen
>Dealt with the rebuilt Mariposa
>Dealt with the Enclave on the Oilrig
>Beat Frank Horrigan
>came from bumfuck nowhere, became a village elder
>Did have a lot of followers, one of them fucking MARCUS
>Enclave armor, probably some Gauss weapon or the Bozar
>Warrior
Didn't play but
>Professinally trained soldier, has a smaller squad to work with, probably biggest arsenal
>Wanderer
>Blew up an enclave base that was manned by an inferior enclave force than the one on the oil rig
>Blew up the Mobile base
>Went to the Pitt, dealt with a slave uprising, dealt with pre-war spy fuckery and cults in PL, has an alien mothership with a laser cannon
cont
The one with a spaceship.
>>341989427
>probably armed with Hellfire armor, Fatman
>Most of his feats was done with help of the brotherhood, secret agents, giant robots etc
>Courier
>Shot in the head but survives
>Cyborg after OWB, has more implants than it was possible to get in FO1&2
>Participated in the biggest war after the apocalypse
>Survived the Madre, Tribal boogaloo, Divide
>Has Big Mountain working for him
>Stopped a second nuclear holocaust
>Can possibly have an army of securitrons, the NCR's support or the Legion's behind him
>could be a better unarmed/melee combatant than the Chosen
>could have an orbital cannon as a weapon
>Enclave Power Armor
>Survivor
>was pre-war soldier/lawyer
>errand runner for the BoS/Institute/Railroad/Minute man, but also has their support
>could have acces to a zeppelin, not to mention Liberty Prime OR an army of Synths, or a smaller army of randys from the wasteland from his own settlements
>Probably the most skilled crafters
Conclusion:
>>341985039
Holy Hand Grenade showed up in NV
>>341989963
Liberty prime would get rekt from the couriers space laser though
>>341989963
While the Wanderer does have a Space ship, that's probably his strongest point, and potentially ,the courier or fuck, even Liberty Prime could deal with that, so it's probably not him
If they have no backups/followers, it would come down Between the Courier and the Dweller. The dweller had the hardest time, because he had no help for most of his adventures, other than a retarded dog, or followers who die in two shots to regular Super Mutants
I think it would come down between the Courier, Dweller, and Chosen, and while the chosen and Dweller have more impressive feats, the Chosen has had a lot of help from others, so he could be the weakest of the three. While the Dweller has arguably the most impressive feat of all, dealing with the Master and his Army alone, the Courier is ridicilously powerful by the end of New Vegas, and could probably survive even a death blow if his brain was back in Big MT. The courier also has acces to better weapons and armor than any of these 3
>>341984145
Dweller > Courier = Warrior > Chosen > Survivor(man) > Wanderer > Survivor(women)
>>341990430
>Liberty Prime could deal with a spaceship
>Something so inmeasurably more advanced that it's like comparing a Laser Rifle to a stone axe
>While In Space
>From the Ground
>>341990430
How the hell could anything reach the spaceship when it's in space? Sure maybe the Big Mountain science brains could whip up a teleporter that could transport the courier into the ship itself.
>>341990640
Liberty prime recognizes Orbital weaponry, as seein in both vanilla FO3, Broken Steel and in FO4.
By the time of FO4, the BoS probably did something to counter orbital weaponry, because that's how he got blown up the first time.
Also, the courier has a fucking space laser, and has Big MT, where he can literally teleport to, and could probably have it target the space ship or something.
Not to mention that the wanderer doesn't actually understand how to controll the canon, let alone how to aim it, you can only fire it at fucking Canada or something.
>>341989578
>>341990430
>>341990640
>>341990862
Mothership isn't canonOr at least, it fucking shouldn't be
>>341990640
Isn't the ship from Zeta pretty much non-functioning at the end of the DLC? Half of it got blown off no?
I don't see what the ship is actually going to do. The part with the laser is kaput.
>>341984145
Wander because he literally has a spaceship with a death ray.
The Courier, objectively speaking, because he wields my raifu.
>>341984145
Survivor. The FO4 power armor is the real shit. ON a side note, all I want from FO4 is a fucking warhammer 40k mod, is that so hard?
>>341991224
The best Power Armor you can get is the regular Enclave Power armor that you can pimp out to the Enhanced one. Canonically, the Hellfire armor is the best power armor.
>>341990968
I think we all agree with you.
Sadly it is canon.
Ayylmaos caused the nukes to drop.
>>341991510
Its one fucking tape, and we don't even know if the ayylmaos understood human speech at all.Besides, wasn't it established in 2 that the chinks dropped the first nuke?
>>341991169
Also leads the wasteland at the end, pretty neato
>>341991649
>implying he didn't choose house or NCR
>>341991643
>Besides, wasn't it established in 2 that the chinks dropped the first nuke?
Are you suggesting Bethesda cares? Have you seen what they did to the lore?
>>341991510
Why does everyone say that?
I know they interrogated someone with the launch codes but to be fair they also interrogated a cow.
Is there something I missed?
>>341991643
I thought it was depressed ai.
>>341991753
>kid_in_fridge.jpg
BUT BUT OUR DEVELOPERS WERE HAVING FUN
>>341991787
I think you're giving Bethesda too much slack.
Their writers are not clever enough to leave something ambiguous. You know dam well they were suggesting it was aliens who launched those nukes.
>>341991643
Remember how it was established in 2 that Jet was was the result of the fumes from Cow Shit?
It's almost like it's been established already that Bethesda doesn't care about lore.
>>341992094
So why would anyone care about what they bring to the lore? I know I don't.
>>341992094
>Pre-war Chinese submarine in Fallout 4
>Jet inside
>Nuka Cola ads inside
>Pre-war vault tech computer entries about sending Jet and Psycho to a vault
>T-51b was established as being the peak of military engineering before the war, used only months before the nukes fell
>T-45d introduced in Fallout 3 as an earlier version that wasn't as strong
>Fallout 4 decides they needed to have T-45 on the cover again, so suddenly T-60 is a thing, and it looks exactly like T-45d, and it's not even explained away like "The institute made this after the war" or "this was a Brotherhood project" or anything, it's just fucking there and it's on shit like that painting at the museum of history
I HATE IT
I HATE IT ALL
>>341992094
In 2 Mrs. Bishop claimed Jet was at least pre Myron.
If BIS gets a pass on Jet so should Bethesda.
>>341992603
LOL WHO CARES NERDS IT'S A GAME WITH GHOULS IN IT, IT'S NOT SUPPOSE TO BE REALISTIC!Someone pull the trigger. It needs to die.
>>341992628
BIS admitted it's a anachronism error. Bethesda said it was a fantasy game and only nerds cared about lore.
Courier literally becomes cyborg cowboy Jesus after the expansions
>>341992603
Literally t-60 could have been a brotherhood project. I 100% agree with you.
And it's even got a reason for being all over the wastes too cuz maxson was an idiot
>>341984145
Lone Wanderer has it because they had the Experimental MIRV.
8 FUCKING MINI-NUKES AT ONCE.
It's not even close to my favorite of the series but you just can't beat that.
>>341984145
No love for the Warrior? Guy had fucking tank, army of intelligent deathclaws and potentially an ass ton of killer robots.
>>341986705
Yeah, but it's not a great tank.
Ok, the only New Vegas DLC's I've played are OWB and HH.
Which one gives you that bitchin armor?
>>341993292
Lonesome Road.
>>341993178
Theres no explanation as to why it looks near identical to the t45 armor though. It's just Bethesda trying to shoehorn in their designs.
>>341992839
Not exactly.
Never let facts get in the way of a good argument though.
As to BIS what you ship is what matters.A post facto "whoops" doesn't mean a thing.
Is ship a game then explain what they meant to do a hallmark of old school RPG devs?
>>341993292
Lonesome Road, but the pattern on the back changes depending on who you side with.
NCR has a bear.
Legion has a bull.
Yesman has a 21.
House has the US flag looking one you can see in the picture.
>>341993346
There could have tho.
It's basicly a heavier 45 armour so it could have been a result of research on liberty prime or the tesla armour.
That would have at least made sense
>>341993536
I'm fine with the 21, always wished I could use the vault suit late game.
Does it make sense to do that DLC first in my current playthrough?
>>341993191
The Mini-nuke MIRVs can release 9, looks like FO3 and the Wanderer lose again.
>>341993536
Thinks the duster is bitchin.
Shit taste confirmed.
Anon clearly meant the riot armor.
>>341993675
I mean realistically you can do any first, but remember than NV DLCs, aside from Honest Hearts, do not level scale. LR has the highest set level of any of the DLCs, so going there at level 1 might be an issue.
Completing them in release order is fine if you going for a canonical run. I prefer HH > OWB > DM > LR, but it's up to you.
>>341984145
Courier has access to a fucking HELIOS orbital space laser weapon that can turn any other protag into cinder.
>>341990889
I doubt the brotherhood would have the foresight to expect another enemy with a friggin space laser. Maybe some sort of plasma shield, but that's a stretch.
>>341993512
It indicates a policy and attitude toward lore consistency. Also indicates how valuable authenticity is as a production value. This matters when the next game is made cause it indicates a trajectory.
It's the reason there's Super Mutants in Fallout 3 and why the Nightkin in NV have schizophrenia.
https://twitter.com/dcdeacon/status/668830070249758720
http://imgur.com/gLQho9Z,WCIp7dy
But yeah same shit.
>>341991169
>medicine stick
Mah nig.
>>341984145
why are fallout characters always white? i didn't know bethesda was this racist
Finally decided to get around to playing 2
I heard a while ago that melee is very fun in 2, is that a fine build for a first time playing?
Also should I do a run without the restoration mod first or is it essential?
>>341984145
Generals belong on >>>/vg/
>>341994435
melee/unarmed is only for people who know the game on a moderate level. I didn't play the game with any mods and I had a good time.
Unarmed is fantastic though, you should definitely give it a go at one point.
>>341993894
I beat Lonesome Road on PS3 at level 8 for the laugh, was fucking hard and annoying but does sort you out with a lot of nice gear to power through the rest, makes all the other DLCs weirder though with the "hear about your future/past from characters in this DLC"
>>341993218
Don't forget that the killer robots can keep on building more killer robots including killer robot tanks.
The Warrior could probably turn into Enclave 2.0 if he really wanted to, he's got the resources and facilities for it.
>>341995259
The Midwest Brotherhood is basically its own country now, right?
>>341994523
Generals are allowed on /v/ dumb ass
>>341995918
Depends of Bethesda and their new canon.
But yeah, if the Warrior decided to donate his brain to the Calculator, he is probably Skynet levelthe movie one, not the fallout one
>>341995918
Tactics is semi canon, meaning that it's major events are canon, as long as a main line game doesn't contradict it.
The Mid-western brotherhood itself is canon though, because it's referenced in FO3 terminals. Also the BoS in NV references it too, if i remember correctly
>>341995259
Is Tactics even considered Canon anymore? I remember there being like two references in NV, and nothing in mainline 3 or 4.
>>341994523
Read the rule dumbass, you can have a general discussion about a videogame on /v/, so very sorry we're not talking about E-Clebs opinions on Fallout.
>>341996012
Cool. I'll go ahead and inform all of /vg/ that they can come back to /v/ together.
The one in the game I like the most in the series, because nobody here is biased.
The Courier is definitely the strongest but the Dweller is responsible for the massive changes that happened in the wasteland, if it wasn't for his actions, none of the other protagonists would be even alive by the time their adventures took place.
>>341996105
>Midwest BoS show up in Fallout 5
>turns out General Barnaky is the canon brain in the Calculator
>spend half the game getting yelled at by Lee 'make the Wasteland great again' Emery
I'd play it.
>>341996129
Caesar said that the Legion had a run in with a scout or scribe when they went looking east, Centurion armor has pieces of power armor but it couldn't be from the Mojave chapter as they're unaware of Caesar's Legion.
I want a Midwest BoS vs Caesar's Legion, but not the Midwest power armor its gross.
>>341996216
It's a matter of coincidence that the Fallout 4 protagonist is the weakest and is in the worst game.
>>341985042
Kek
>>341984145
Doesn't the Wanderer have control of an alien ship that can raze continents? He's probably the strongest if we count that.
The rest ranked:
Courier
Chosen One
Vault Dweller
Sole Survivor
Melee high luck jinxed vault dweller
>>341984145
They team up
>>341984145
The Chosen with +10 Luck would absolutely be the sole survive if it came to a fight. The rest would probably accidentally shoot themselves or fall on their Rippers.
>>341996832
The Courier is super human and also (potentially) owns an orbital laser cannon, an army (of either super death-robots, the entirety of the NCR, all of Caesar's Legion and your own personal posse), all of the weapons available in New Vegas, all of the implants and more importantly; Implant GRX
>>341992013
>>341992094
So conjecture. Great job, guys. I don't know why I expected more from /v/.
>>341988048
>Thumbnail made it look like he was wearing a giant funnel hat
>>341997428
Jog my memory, what does the GRX do again?
>>341991169
You mean the Anti Material Rifle right anon?
>>341997530
possible to have Turbo for 6-seconds, with maximum 10 GRX to activate that restores itself every 24 in-game hours. Or, activate all 10 GRX altogether for slow-mo, the game
>>341987814
>the guy's also battled way stronger enemies than all the others.
Someone's forgetting who the Chosen One fought at the ending of their game.
>>341997446
You know Todd if you didn't put in place a bunch of stupid shit to begin with, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
>>341997428
I hope that laser canon is actually strong lorewise cause it's just barely stronger than 1 bullet from some of the strongest guns gameplaywise.
>>341991169
Why does everyone love the medicine stick?
>>341997742
yeah the Courier also a few perks that put people into a permanent ragdoll/stunned state
>>341997659
That sounds fucking awesome, I might pick that up on my next playthrough
>>341998070
I don't know, it doesn't put out enough led in under a minute for me.
>>341998070
Because it's a good gun
>>341998070
Good design
One of the strongest guns in the game
Is lever action so it satisfies the cowboylust that New Vegas tends to give
>>341998159
I recommend doing an unarmed run, and pumping the shit out of your Endurance to withstand all Implants, and shitting all other points into agility so you can Fist of The North Star everyone who opposes you.
>>341998070
Because everyone likes to role play as a cowboy in NV and the medicine stick is the best gun to use in a cowboy build.
Chosen...he actually caused his creation by going back in time and accidentally breaking FO1s waterchip.
All the super weapons of later games can be negated or counted as a negative thanks to the Jinxed trait. Causes weapons to miss big time, lose all their ammo, explode, or hit their own user.
>>341998153
And the Chosen One has a few perks that make you constantly miss and punch yourself in the face.
Which is why these debates never actually accomplish anything.
>>341996548
> Centurion armor has pieces of power armor
Could be recovered from NCR heavy armor.
>>341998627
10 luck is equal to 5 when it comes to jinxed, Fallout 3 onwards makes it too easy to hit 10 luck.
2 words, fuckers:
>Securitron
>Army
>>341998857
Possible since its a T-45d piece and hardly any BoS use that model
>>341984145
survivor because he can launch a real nuke
>>341998404
Sweet thanks
Isn't the Survivor an Advanced Synth according to the Fallout DLC which explains why he is able to take out raider camps like Coursers. Survivor wins.
>>341999793
So can courier, what's your point?
>>341994250
Because white people made the game.
>>341999514
T45 was a mistake
>>342000000
Ridiculous get confirms, this is now Fallout lore whether it was before or not.
>>342000005
Oh shit it's a cold war fellas, pack it in.
>>342000000
WITNESSED
>>342000000
meme
>>342000092
Courier can launch 3 nuke!
>>342000092
cold war? you mean a nuclear winter because patrolling the mojave makes you wish for one
>>342000000
witnessed.
If 7 GET, this is now a gets thread.
>>342000242
You mean a new, clear winter?
>>341999275
I see your Securitron army and raise you an Assaultron army.
Thanks Mechanist.
Check and Mate.
>>342000000
How is he a synth? That doesn't make any sense.
Courier ends up like a protector/head of the Big MT, and gets there/leaves by using a gun the instantly zaps you there
There's heaps of other shit but I'm pretty sure instantly being able to leave/come back is a pretty massive advantage
>>342000000
Literal kek
>>342000000
This right here is an evidence of how dead /v/ is right now. There are so little genuine posters that not only does a random naive post like this is a GET, but it also barely even gets checked.
/v/ is 80% shills and viraru marketers right now.
>>341989967
not canon, stupid obsidian made all that fun shit easter eggs in a trait
>>341999275
Your army can also be defeated by spike strips.
Who puts tires on robots?
>>342000000
DUDE
>>342000425
meme magic.
>>342000425
Dima starts questioning the protag as he does with everyone
>>342000302
Yeah because we totally need more fallout threads
jk we do
>>342000431
To be fair big MT has
One who is baffled by Zero
One who can be beaten by showing a teddy bear/and or breathing in the general vicinity of.
One who can be beaten by waggling your penis fingers at.
This is what passes as genius on the west coast.
The Lone Wander and The Courier would both annihilate every other protagonist.
As for a match between those two, I'd say The Lone Wander would win since he's survived situations that are far worse than being shot in the head and because he literally owns an alien mothership.
Basically, the powerlevel goes:
Wanderer>Courier>Survivour>Dweller>Chosen One
Chosen One with high agility and luck, the sniper perk, better criticals, bonus rate of fire, and an end game weapon can one-shot entire squads of Enclave soldiers before they can even get a shot off.
>>342000567
1950s Americans, that's who.
>>341990968
That's for Bethesda to decide and you know damn well how only their version of the Fallout matters while they try their best to bury the legacy it was built on
>>342000849
Still beats what the institute has to offer
>>341991753
>Have you seen what they did to the lore?
nothing changed until 4, and it's considered the worst in the series, I'm pretty sure Bethesda knows had badly pete fucked up.
>>341984145
Dweller has himself and perhaps a few really good friends, a party no more.
Chosen probably has his village and MAYBE the NCR if you are incredibly generous, a start-up, initial stages NCR.
Wanderer probably has the BoS (gay chapter), almost certainly. He could probably wrangle some assets from either Tenpenny or Megaton too. Vault 111's shitty people too maybe.
Courier is definitely capable of calling on the boomers, and is likely capable of calling on one of either: Legion (and probably the spearhead of their forces) the NCR (their desert rangers and a considerable detachment) an entire legion of almost CERTAINLY loyal robots, or maybe possibly House if he feels like it.
Mr/Mrs baby gon bad have the same BoS as the wanderer (with balls returned from purse) a giant factory full of gay robots that know how to fight but not how to plot, and SCIENCE!(?), a bunch of peasant militiamen who are incapable of their most basic requirement, or edgy robot teenagers.
I think its an honest toss-up between the Courier and Survivor, if we're talking all-out all-resources battle. In a straight fight its probably the Chosen, since you could make a seriously, seriously SERIOUSLY broken Chosen with the right stats.
>>342001059
>nothing changed until 4
Are you drunk?
>>342000000
No, DiMA even says that memory gaps can be caused by disease, radiation exposure and trauma.
> explains why he is able to take out raider camps like Coursers
Doesn't explain why you can go through Coursers as easily as you can raiders.
>>342001245
Name one single thing that changed before Fo4
>inb4 BoS
>>342000541
The bothersome thing about making that a trait, to me, was that nothing presented seemed out of place or "wacky" as it was billed. Furthermore, the little notification in the corner was really jarring.
>>342000000
DUDE
>>342001051
Synth birds wired to a command center.
Gen 3s that can infiltrate and take over positions of influence.
An seemingly unending supply of gen1 and 2 terminators.
Teleportation.
vs
Robo scorps
teleportation.
I may pick the Institute in that battle.
>>342000000
CHECKED
>>342001630
Who dat
>>342001360
>Enclave aren't dead
>Vault 87 super mutants
>GECK is now a terraforming device
>Pipboys are now permanently fixed to a persons arm
>world looks like the bombs hit it 20 years ago
>Tenpenny sailed across the Atlantic
>centaurs
>West Tek and Vault Tech are now apparently the same thing
>East Coast use caps as a currency
>That Lovecraft building
>Building a town around a fucking bomb
>t45 power armor
>Mothership Zeta as a whole
>Ghoul and Synth dindus
There, and I haven't even mentioned the Brotherhood lore rape, just to appease you.
>>342000000
thanks op i cum on cat an she hiss at penis
Courier has the most upgrades. He's basically a cyborg superhuman.
>>342000000
grats friend
>>342001630
>no visible bulge
Faggot.
>>342001919
So was Kellog.
How did that work out?
>>341984145
>Dweller
Whole life living underground, no kind of training whatsoever
>Chosen
Haven't played Fallout 2, sumimaseeeen
>Wanderer
Same as Dweller
>Courier
Born outside the vault
Had a job delivering packages
Probably had some kind of training on how to use different weapons
>Male Survivor
Military training
Cryosleep afterwards
>Female Survivor
Housewife
Cryosleep afterwards
My vote goes for Courier to be honest.
Knows the land, knows the weapons, knows who is who in the wasteland
>>342002039
Simple, Kellogg isn't the MC.
>>342000000
IN GOD NAME
>>342002195
It just goes to show what happens when west coast super cyborgs come east.
Courier should stay a big fish in a small pond and not try to play with the big boys.
>>341997292
Better question: If all of them teamed up, where would they rule? What would each on be in charge of? How would each deal with threats differently? Would there be in-fighting? Basically, how would they work as a team?
Courier since he's a cyborg now
>>342001868
>Enclave aren't dead
There's no reaosn they should have been, nothing alluded to them being wiped out before 3
>Vault 87 super mutants
Vault-tec repurposed the vault days before the war
>GECK is now a terraforming device
no one ever said it was and it wasn't used that way
>Pipboys are now permanently fixed to a persons arm
You've got a point there, but this changed back with New Vegas
>world looks like the bombs hit it 20 years ago
The eastern world is full of morons, no one's bothered cleaning up yet
>Tenpenny sailed across the Atlantic
Bombs fell =/= Boats no longer exist
>centaurs
What about them?
>West Tek and Vault Tech are now apparently the same thing
No
>East Coast use caps as a currency
Where's the problem?
>That Lovecraft building
Again, where's the problem?
>Building a town around a fucking bomb
The crater was a good spot, they were going to kick out the cult and remove the bomb, but they needed help building the town so they had to leave it there.
>t45 power armor
And the problem is?
>Mothership Zeta as a whole
Where's the fucking problem?
>Ghoul and Synth dindus
Admit it, you're just picking at anything hoping to strike gold
>>342001791
Motherfucking Cazadors.
Though if the Courier unlocks the Think Tanks mental constraints, the Institute is fucked. And probably the whole wasteland too.
>>342002468
>How would they work as a team?
They wouldn't
>>342002468
VD- Water Boy
CO- Dept of Tribal affairs.
Courier- Mail
LW- Intergalactic affairs
SS- HMFIC
>>342000000
WITNESSEDpic best girl
>>342000425
It's simple. See they abducted a kid from a vault to make synths from his DNA, then killed his biological and equally preserved parents plus all other occupants in the cyrovault, then they made a perfect synth copy of the father that had been rotting in a tube for decades before synth tech was mastered for the explicit purpose of psychologically torturing it with a synth version of what it thought was it's own son. That way when the synth the institute made and programmed might choose to take over as head of the institute that oppresses synths.
>>342002724
Doesn't the Think Tank actually destroy the entire Wasteland in one of the ending slides?
>>342000000
WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!
>>342003114
I don't think so because you can continue the rest of the game post OWB
>>342002697
(you)
>>342000000
Well damn.
>>341998070
>Unparalleled power at close to mid range. Pretty much the king of rifles.
>Being the main gun of the NCR Veteran Rangers and even used by high-end Ceasar's Legion troops is a testament to its power
>Sexy lever action goodness
>Great design
>Medicine Wheel is symbolic of the cyclic nature of life, one of the core themes of the game
>Excellent of purging the Mojave of its evil spirits, i.e. scum that plague the lands
Need I say more? It's fucking perfect. Almost. Could have had some cool lore behind it instead of literally being bought at Gun Runners.
>>342001582
I think it was a dumping ground for all the quirky references that would be too disruptive to have in the base game. Take Fallout 2, for example. Just about everyone agrees it's a great game, but the #1 complaint by far was the constant pop culture references. At least with Wacky Wasteland, base game is spared about a dozen or so of them.
>>341986705
don't forget still functional NORAD center inside of Cheyenne Mountain with built-in fully autonomous robot factory at his disposal.
>>342001791
You forget that Big MT also made the Cazadors and the Nightstalkers. Their bioengineering is only rivaled by the guys who made the sentient Deathclaws in FO2. They also have a shit ton of old tech stashed away like the stealth suit MKII. Big MT may be run by idiot robots, but they're well armed idiot robots.
>>342003679
i kinda wanted to see that automated prison and the bigass robot guard it had in Van Buren...ah well
>>342003434
>calling me a troll because you have no retort
You can always just choose not to reply
>>341984145
Is that the Courier"s "canon" appearance?
I thought it was the NCR veteran armor
>>342003857
im kind of confused about who decided the t-60 was a great idea....after all the upgrades that went into the t-45 to make it the t51...then they decide to backpedal and use the same design they replaced?
i would have taken a renamed t-60 as a stop-gap version between the t-51 but this is just silly
>>342002697
>There's no reaosn they should have been, nothing alluded to them being wiped out before 3
The Oil rig was a last stand
>Vault-tec repurposed the vault days before the war
No, bombs hit without warning.
>no one ever said it was and it wasn't used that way
The GECK is a supplementary device that contains data, schematic and the technology to produce to items to help repopulate the waste. It is not a fix everything maguffin.
>You've got a point there, but this changed back with New Vegas
Nope.
>The eastern world is full of morons, no one's bothered cleaning up yet
Stupid answer
>Bombs fell =/= Boats no longer exist
Fact. Todd said so.
>centaurs
>What about them?
They were in the west using mutie army rejects, specifically created by the mutie army
>>West Tek and Vault Tech are now apparently the same thing
Lord Todd said it to be so.
>East Coast use caps as a currency
That was a west thing, they could have used something else. Lord Todd is lazy.
>That Lovecraft building
Howard Powell was an autist.
>>Building a town around a fucking bomb
That was more a rule of cool decision by lord todd laws of logic need not apply
>t45 power armor
They were discontinued before the nukes and entirely replaced by the t-51 if they were to exist they should have been a rare item. Everybody has one.
>Mothership Zeta as a whole
It killed some of the underlying darkness in the lore where humanity kek'd itself, replacing it with a silly ayy lmao. Lord Todd is amused by the idea.
>Ghoul and Synth dindus
A murderer is murderer, being a nigg- synth is not an excuse. Tenpenny tower ghouls had it coming.
Why is there no all female BoS squad?
>>342003857
Anyone claiming the GECK was always a terraforming device is either baiting or a 3 babby.
That was the point of Fallout 2. A primitive tribe turned a box of seeds and a portable generator into a legend, it was being reunited with the V13 dwellers and the chosen one's leadership that saved Arroyo.
>>342003360
It happens way after the Hoover Dam battle.
>>342004205
there is no point besides fan service
>>341984145
Chosen with Slayer and Sniper. Aside from the almost guaranteed criticals, he's able to aim for the eyes and the groin to blind/incapacitate opponents.
If we're including Tactics, then Warrior.
>>342004285
Whats wrong with fan service?
>>342004205
Cause the Brotherhood cares not for your political views. Plus its a "Brotherhood" every squad should have a brother.
>>342004330
the whole fallout 4 game
>>342004330
It's just pandering
>>342004330
Fans are retards. No point in stopping down to their level.
>>342004023
Armor in the pic is the Courier Duster he gets from Ulysses. Probably ditched his ranger armor to wear his symbol to the Battle of Hoover Dam.
>>342000000
witnessed
Is Fallout 4 any good? Does it improve on any of F3's major flaws?
>>341997292
>all protags in power armor
>courier giving less fucks than a big mt brain in a jar
>shows up in a duster and gas mask helmet
>other protags become concerned
>>342004546
That depends what you think F3's major flaws were.
>>342004615
>pulse slugs
>>342002468
They just divvy up the useful continents and send everybody they hate to Antarctica.
>>342003693
If this is strictly a big MT vs Inst then the Cazadores "Oh Fuck" poison factor is mitigated by the gen 1 and 2 s being immune to poison.
If it is East v West the Assaultrons can be retasked to pest control.
Cazadores are only problematic on the west coast.They struggle with Deathclaws so it is no surprise.
>>342000000
OH WHAT A DAY. WHAT A LOVELY DAY.
>>342004643
>Drab, boring visual design
>Poor NPC interaction
>Uninviting 'open world'
>God awful 'dungeon' design
>Tedious item management and healing system
>>342000000
It's bullshit, but I'll believe it.
>>342004174
>The Oil rig was a last stand
It clearly wasn't
>No, bombs hit without warning.
That has nothing to do with the vault being repurposed
>The GECK is a supplementary device that contains data, schematic and the technology to produce to items to help repopulate the waste.
And that's exactly how it was used
>Nope.
Yes it was dumbass, doc mitchell gives you his wife's old pipboy, and you find a pipboy on a skeleton at the start of Fallout 4
>Stupid answer
It's still true though
>Fact. Todd said so.
No he didn't
>They were in the west using mutie army rejects, specifically created by the mutie army
So where's the problem?
>Lord Todd said it to be so.
Nope
>That was a west thing, they could have used something else. Lord Todd is lazy.
People can't travel anymore? No one can think alike?
>That was more a rule of cool decision by lord todd laws of logic need not apply
alright 7/10 you got me this far thinking you were just this upset over me using facts to prove the other guy wrong, good troll
>Everyone in this thread forgetting about Father Elijah, the toxin cloud, and the unstoppable hologram army ending you can in Dead money.
>>341984145
Probably one from the shitty bethesda fallouts since you can max out all your skills and get tons of stat ups and there are a million gimmick weapons
>>342004725
absolutely retarded
>>341987017
I wouldn't think game mechanics would be a factor in this. If they were that would mean Master Chief dies while standing in knee high water
>>342005224
>ending
You mean the game over, you're forced to go back and not side with him, Obsidian decided you're not allowed to pick that.
>>342005072
>Drab, boring visual design
Visual design in 4 is about the same.
>Poor NPC interaction
It's worse in 4 because of the gimped dialog system.
>Uninviting 'open world'
I don't even know what you mean by this.
>God awful 'dungeon' design
It's basically Skyrim in 4.
>Tedious item management and healing system
If you think the inventory and healing in 3 is "tedious" I'm surprised you can even read this post.
>>342005224
No one likes remembering that DLC.
>>342000383
The securitrons are objectively stronger.
>>341984145
Courier wins just because dusters are badass.
>>342005224
>unstoppable hologram army
>they can only walk in the range of the emitters
>emitters can be disabled by repair 90 or science 90, a skill which every protag ends up having
>they could also just shoot it
ok.
>No mod that turns the BOS into Space Marines
>No mod that adds standard flags
>No Plasmacaster
>>341989963
>Enclave tesla power armor
Even then nah, you know that nigga is rocking himself some elite riot gear. Top of the line army special forces comander combat gear, along with all sorts of survival gear and a leather duster coat added on top by some NCR guy who probably starved to death on top of that sky scrapper.
>>342005456
Until they run over a nail.
>>341984145
Courier.
Be a normal courier, have packed, go deliver packed, captured, get shot twice in the head, still survive with 10 Intelligence.
>I gonna deliver the fate of this land and it creature.
>>342005642
I'd rather have SoB anyways
>>342004174
>trying to argue with a retard
Anon I wouldn't bother.
WHY IS BOSTON FULL OF ORCS
>>342005170
>>The Oil rig was a last stand
>It clearly wasn't
Everything that they with any significance was in that floatie.
>The GECK is a supplementary device that contains data, schematic and the technology to produce to items to help repopulate the waste.
>And that's exactly how it was used
They presented it as techno jesus with no limitations and quirks. Just *poof* everything is good now.
>Stupid answer
>It's still true though
Still Dumb
>Stupid answer
>Fact. Todd said so.
>No he didn't
Yes he did.
>They were in the west using mutie army rejects, specifically created by the mutie army
>So where's the problem?
Vault 87 muties was a lazy, dumb, nigger decision cause Bethesda can't into creativity.
>That was a west thing, they could have used something else. Lord Todd is lazy.
>People can't travel anymore? No one can think alike?
Yes. Again its bethesda not wanting to cast the lure to far into open waters.
>That was more a rule of cool decision by lord todd laws of logic need not apply
>alright 7/10 you got me this far thinking you were just this upset over me using facts to prove the other guy wrong
The facts are stupid and i'll thought, it was made by a board of people afraid of losing a playerbase by simply being different. 10/10 loyal drone.
>>341998485
What's the recommended SPECIAL for a cowboy build?
>>342000383
What this guy >>342005456 said
Securitrons have rockets, bullets, and grenades.
Assaultrons have a laser.
Also this makes me want a Securitron mod for Fallout 4's robot workshop
As bad as Fallout 4 is it sure has a lot of cool ideas
>>342005072
Visual design is much improved
NPC interaction is worse
Open World is p good now
Dungeon design is Skyrim
Item management still tedious, but improved
>>342005876
1/10 for trying to push it past being called out
>>342005401
>Visual design in 4 is about the same.
Bullshit, 4 is much more colorful than 3.
>>342005723
They'll use their machineguns as propellants to fly. Also Protectrons are a RobCo product, Securitrons could probably just control them.
>>342006024
Called out on what? You pointed out dubious lazy ideas and it was pointed out for being lazy and dubious.
>>342005923
I run:
4 Str
5 Per
8 End
1 Cha
6 Int
9 Agi
7 Luck
I think we can all agree that the Courier is the most badass.
>>342006149
0/10 You're starting to seem serious
>>342004725
>That's not dinner bell
>>342006270
Vidyageyms are serious biznis.
>>342005934
Assaultrons have stabby arms.Very good for popping tires.
Assaultrons have stealth capability.Very good for getting close enough to pop tires.
Assaultrons have face lasers.Very good for teaching securitrons the lesson "You should have legs,a rocket pack, or treads like a proper robot."
Not impressed with the unicycle bots...not impressed at all.
>>342006537
You're actually angry over this, holy shit
I'm afraid it's too late to say you were just pretending, you're actually a retard
this is my last reply
>>342000000
Retarded theory confirmed for truth by the power of trips
>>342006745
>what are fun-flat tires
>>342006807
Wow, really building up a wall of "not me" there buddy.
>>342000000
Proud of you :)
>>341984145
Why are we focused on their backs?
>get the urge to play a fallout game
>can't play fallout 1 or 2 because it's hard for me to pick up and get immersed from where I leave off
>LOL FALLOUT 3
>too lazy too download new vegas and all the mods that fix it
>don't want to play fallout 4 because it's a piece of shit even if it is easier to mod and more recent
Why couldn't fallout 4 just be a good rpg? Why?
>>342003653
this
>>342006745
Consider this
>put securitron on workbench
>replace tire with assaultron legs
>>342000000
WITNESSED
>>342007656
Why do you want to play a serious that you basically hate
>>342008096
I don't hate it at all. Even Fallout 3/4. If anything I'm disappointed in it.
>>342003114
At least parts of it,by droping Hexagons everywhere. Big MT is really op
>>341994435
Restoration mod should be fine for a first playthrough, it doesn't add much. Just expect some dead and unfinished areas (the coastal tribe and EPA)
>>342000000
v-vely niceu anon-sama desu~~ ^-^
>>341984145
No one was most bad ass than the Dweller.
>>342000000
>tries to convince you that you're a synth because of memory bullshit
>reply with no
Kill yourself synth fuck
>>342002851
This.
The only FO that I kinda liked was New Vegas and it was kinda assy.
>>342007656
>>too lazy too download new vegas and all the mods that fix it
Vanilla is a perfectly fine game. My first two playthroughs were on vanilla and went through without a hitch (except when I tried noclipping to save time at one point and NPCs started teleporting around).
>>342000000
WITNESSED
>>342010532
fuck off newfag
>>342010532
You can literally just
>>342000000
>>all these replies
>samefag
you fucking newfaggot piece of trash.
Don't talk to me or my anon ever again.
>>342010532
Look at the post number faggot
is the midwest brotherhood power armor the most badass armor ever? the cape is like the cherry on top of the cake
>>342002697
I'm torn between replying in detail or just getting angry and memeing you
I'm gonna answer a few though
The GECK is a suitcase with seeds, schematics, instructions and a handful of other little things
The world looking destroyed 200 years later would make sense if the place hadn't been populated by scavengers, raiders and other parties for almost that entire time. Why didn't they make buildings from junk instead of sleeping in forts?
Tenpenny shouldn't have been able to cross the ocean because it's mentioned off-hand that the ocean is a stormy mess that's impossible to traverse from a few hundred miles out
Caps as currency would have been fine if the water traders had moved east, and not become involved in the economy in the west (where they originated) that moved on to gold over 120 years agoThere's sarcasm in that last point, I can sense that you're a bit dense
>>341998191
That thing was fucking ridiculous. Shame the sound effects were messed up for it.
>>341990889
Nigger, the only reason they didn't think of the orbital weapon in FO3 was because it was the last one and no one knew if it still worked and by the end it had depleted its payload/exploded
>>342011791
>The GECK is a suitcase with seeds, schematics, instructions and a handful of other little things
Right
>The world looking destroyed 200 years later would make sense if the place hadn't been populated by scavengers, raiders and other parties for almost that entire time. Why didn't they make buildings from junk instead of sleeping in forts?
Because like I said, they're morons, this is one of my biggest gripes with New Vegas, the west is suppose to be actually moving forward instead of what we got.
>Tenpenny shouldn't have been able to cross the ocean because it's mentioned off-hand that the ocean is a stormy mess that's impossible to traverse from a few hundred miles out
I don't think "impossible" is meant literally
>Caps as currency would have been fine if the water traders had moved east
Sometimes people think alike, there's no reason why caps shouldn't be the currency, bottlecaps exist all over the wasteland.
>There's sarcasm in that last point, I can sense that you're a bit dense
Not dense, just treating it like everyone's serious about what they type, because a lot of this >>342001868 is so stupid that it's actually impossible to tell if someone's being sarcastic or not.
So drop the sarcasm for now
>>342000541
I always just activate Wacky Wasteland through console commands.
I think its retarded that you have to sacrifice one of the useful traits just to enable easter eggs.
The issue with this is that you've also got to take into account whether or not the Survivor is male or female, because in FO4 they are actually separate entities. The male survivor is a pre-war military veteran, whereas the female survivor is a lawyer.
desu I think it would go Chosen > Dweller > Male Survivor > Courier > Wanderer > Female Survivor
My own little headcanon has always had the wanderer being an absolute genius who is able to keep and maintain the best possible armaments but actually is only a bit above average in terms of combat ability while the courier is a plot-armor version of an NCR ranger. Male survivor being a pre-war military vet gives him the best up-front combat ability of the Bethesda Fallout protagonists though.
/end blog post
>>342014392
You sexist fucking misogynist pig.
>>342011363
Worse power armor, well better than the Bethesda armors
>>342014392
Lawyers are hellbeasts though
>>342014392
Almost perfect.
Courier may start off weak, but ends up becoming broken as fuck. Swap Courier and Male Survivor and you're bang on the money.
>>342014392
>Dweller that high
> M.S > Courier
discarded
while the Dweller and the Chosen are fearsome on their own, to the point of being the superior single combatants, the Courier's main advantage is the sheer manpower and versatility he has in his allies. the sole survivor has much weaker weapons than those three, and the wanderer is pretty fucking weak in comparison to all of them
the courier has
>an entire army, whether that's the army of robots, the army of romans, or the army of conscripted farmers backed up by high-tier operators
>hardy raider clan ready and willing to face the worst of it headon
>a culture based entirely around the usage of battlefield artillery
>brotherhood of steel remnants
>an entire medical corps of accomplished doctors
>america's greatest industrial and scientific production center, basically giving him the Star Forge from KOTOR
Dweller and Chosen have superior or equal equipment, but in the end they'll run out of ammo. Though if they went down, it wouldn't be without leaving behind a brand new wasteland of corpses
>>342013024
>>The GECK is a suitcase with seeds, schematics, instructions and a handful of other little things
>Right
The Kit has the appearance of a small, silver briefcase emblazoned with the letters "G.E.C.K."; according to Vault-Tec advertisements, it contains all the seeds, fertilizer, and other equipment (including a cold fusion power generator and a basic replicator) necessary to start a new settlement in a post-nuclear world after emerging from a Vault shelter.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Garden_of_Eden_Creation_Kit
>>The world looking destroyed 200 years later would make sense if the place hadn't been populated by scavengers, raiders and other parties for almost that entire time. Why didn't they make buildings from junk instead of sleeping in forts?
>Because like I said, they're morons
Does this seem in any way to be a reasonable answer to you? You think in 3-5 generations of people, none of them managed to build a decent town?
this is one of my biggest gripes with New Vegas, the west is suppose to be actually moving forward instead of what we got.
That's why it was set on the outskirts of two settled nations. NCR and Legion both have their own territories that have cities and towns, and infrastructure. House has been subverting the efforts of communities around Vegas too.
>>Tenpenny shouldn't have been able to cross the ocean because it's mentioned off-hand that the ocean is a stormy mess that's impossible to traverse from a few hundred miles out
>I don't think "impossible" is meant literally
I think it is, but I can't find proof, so we're both going off our opinions here
>>Caps as currency would have been fine if the water traders had moved east
>Sometimes people think alike, there's no reason why caps shouldn't be the currency, bottlecaps exist all over the wasteland.
Yes, and then people would move to something more practical and sustainable. Caps can be found anywhere, its hardly a sound economy.
>>342001868
>>That Lovecraft building
Fuck off, Fallout 2 was no better
Remember the Monty Python bridge?
>>341996186
>3 or 4
>mainline
>>342015256
>Dweller that high
nigger the Dweller took on the Master and his army, that's pretty fuckin' radical.
>>342016353
>Taking F2's easter eggs seriously
It was stated by the devs to not take them seriously, as they're there just there for the Lulz, the Dunwich building is an extremely serious part of the lore of both base game and point lookout with a pretty big background, not an easter egg or joke in anyway
>>341984145
while the wanderer and above would shoot for your head, the dweller and chosen would be shooting your fucking eyeballs out
>>342013024
Also the main argument of >>342001868 is that Fallout 3 put so much time and distance between itself and the previous games, then, instead of using that, copied Fallout 1 in so many ways that made no sense. It's almost thoughtless copying of stuff, thrown into a time and space that makes no sense in the game world when you apply a small amount of critical thought. Plenty of it is handwaved with one or two lines of dialogue that usually contradicts or stretches the credibility of the series' usual logic
The Vault Dweller was a legit badass operating in a barely hospitable nuclear wasteland. Everyone after the Chosen came so late that it's basically just a country with shitty infrastructure
>>342016656
>nigger the Dweller took on the Master and his army
The Dweller maybe like killed how many muties ? 50 ? 100 max ? The bulk of the master's army was killed by BoS while they were fleeing east
Not anyway near as ridiculous as stopping the government by yourself, killing thousands of well armed soldiers/neo-romans or taking over a n ayylmao spaceship
>>342017259
>the government
some ragtag group of people who shouldn't exist doesn't really count as "the government"
>>342015670
How the armies handle the Legion.
NCR
"They have a wood fort we would need a prewar bomber to break that kind of defense."
MM
"The Legion is starting the Attack."
"We set up the minefield already we are good."
If the NCR military leadership put their heads together it would sound like a bowling alley.
If they struggle with raiders with spears raiders with guns will really fuck them up.
>>342000000
Witness him
>>342016305
>none of them managed to build a decent town?
They did though. Megaton, Big Town, Rivet City, these are all at the very least decent places towns/cities
>Yes, and then people would move to something more practical and sustainable. Caps can be found anywhere, its hardly a sound economy.
Which is what the NCR is trying to do as they move across the american wasteland
>>342017076
>implying your average Somali isn't as badass the VD.
>>342017353
They're what's left of USA and they were doing a great job at it, like it not.
>>342014392
I think this is a pretty accurate summary of their individual power levels, but if you factor in their potential allies then the Courier is pretty easily the most broken IMO.
>>342017798
Big town and Megaton weren't decent, Megaton was build arround a functional nuclear bomb, and Big town is a small settlement constantly attacked by super-mutants ( How many settlers it has ? 9 ? )
>>342018472
>Those don't count because I don't like them!
Beggers can't be choosers, they're functional towns put together well enough to be considered decent
>>342018472
They're decent by post-war standards, not our standards
big iron
>>342017916
The USA is just some distant memory. There is literally nothing left and anyone who pretends otherwise is fucking delusional.
>>342019397
ON HIS HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
>>341989963
For the survivor, should the automatron robots factor in. I mean he could make an army of robots if he wanted to.
He also becomes the leader of the institute if you side with them. Then again im not sure how effective the institute is compared to, say Big mountain.
>>342019469
They inherited everything from the USA's government
>>341988759
Because you become vulnerable to emp.
>>342000000
A (you) for your dubs
>>341984145
Counting DLC the Courier can just get perfect stats without even trying to min-max nor counting books like Wanderer, also he is half-cyborg.
