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RIP Nvidia
Cool
Call back when it actually outperforms nVidia on relevant games.
>>340012578
>150W
>AMD
Yeah.
>>340013143
>150W
>AMD
>AMD comes out with something new and cheap
>RIP NVIDYA
>A month later
>RIP AMHIVS
How are card/cpu wars any different than console wars?Pro tip they're the same thing
>>340014424
It's funny too since both the xbone and PS4 run on AMD.
>>340012578
I understand engineering top ranking gpu's is hard and ingenious. But designing good looking shit only requires taste and creativity, why can they ever make a card that looks good? That shit is so fucking ugly is not even funny.
>>340012578
Give me a benchmark on at least 10 different games and then we can talk kiddo
Is their official confirmation of the ROP count of these GPUs?
64 ROPs means performance comparable to the GTX980
32 ROPs means a good amount less performance than the GTX980
Does anyone really know?
>>340014424
they're all stupid, some corporations would probably cause a genocide just to have this type of thing happen with their product
>>340014765
I think it looks professional as fuck personally. It looks better than their last few generations
You are honestly just complaining about window dressing
I have a 750Ti, is this the best card I should go for next? I love my card because the cost to performance was great.
>>340015002
People have already killed each other in these GPU wars. Both companies have illegal crime syndicate influences
That's business for you.
>>340014842
the fuck is even ROP, CU is actual term while ROP is some bullshit marketing term.
>>340015139
There are already better options out there for you depending on your electrical limitations.
The Polaris 11 GPUs should be even better in performance per watt
AMD and based Naughty Gods gave us better graphics than literally any PC game on a $250 PS4
>>340015027
I'll post a picture that does it more justice than OP's
Look at that shit. It's a fucking black rectangle with some red letters. There's nothing professional about it. Anyone could've designed that. It wont look good inside a case, it will just look like a black piece brick of some sort.
>>340015139
Wait until we find out what APU AMD is using in the PS4 Neo and new Xbone.
>>340015334
But this is $200?
>>340015469
why?
>>340015423
>It wont look good inside a case
>having a window on your case
Sacrificing noise level for looks is a stupid thing to do.
I wish I could crossfire this with my 290x
>>340014424
at least console war kiddies can argue using their exclusive horseshit, nvidia/amd cards all play the same fucking games
>>340015541
Yeah, it's $200, but we don't know if it's for the 8GB or 4GB version. And you should wait to see what AMD sticks in the consoles because you can then figure out what budget card to buy that performs a little higher.
>>340015192
Raster Operations Pipeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_output_unit
Fiji (Fury) and Hawaii (R9 290X/R9 390X) have 64 of these. If the RX 480 has 64 of these it means better performance at lower resolutions which is one of the big reasons Maxwell beats the pants off GCN at 1080P
>>340015423
>>340015506
i like the look its better then what ever cards we have out now with edgy as fuck looking fans and an even edgier casing
just cause its "GAMER" branded
>>340015541
>>340015139
480 is probably going to be the best bang for your buck GPU for awhile.
If it really performs similarly to a 980 it's going to be the go-to card for anyone with 1080p monitors.
The 1070 is also a pretty good value, but at almost twice the cost it's not really worth it unless you want to go 1440p or higher.
We still don't know what the 480x, 490 and 490x will fit exactly.
>>340014765
Sleek, straight, simplistic > gaymershit, oww the edge
>>340015647
Yes we do
$200 for 4GB and $230/$240 for the 8GB
>>340012760
its not about performance, its about price/power ratio.
most pc building guides will probably be based on this card.
all nvidia cards that are on this range of price are basically dead.
>>340015860
>$230/$240 for the 8GB
Source now. Unless you mean the $500 figure we got off the conference for two cards in crossfire.
>>340015423
I don't come here very often so I must ask... you guys actually care about the looks of it? It will sit in a fucking case most of the time. What do you care.
Now to a serious question. Will it be better than Nvidia?
>>340014765
it gets the job done, and its inside your PC, you are not supposed to stare at it while is working.
>>340015683
>This article does not cite any sources
>>340015862
nvidia cards in this price range sucked dick before anyway.
The 960 was DoA, being more expensive and less powerful than the 280x (which was available over a year before the 960 was announced).
Nvidia isn't for the low end market, they only start showing value when you get to the mid-high or high end price ranges.
The 1070 is compelling, still not as good price to performance as a 480 but it still completely out-grades it so people who want a better class of performance will pay for it.
People who want 2015 high spec at a rock bottom price will get the 480.
>b-but you can buy x2 480s!
SLI and crossfire are fucking dead.
>>340015554
what the fuck does a window have to do with noise?
>>340015691
>video card aimed at gaming
>not being gamer branded.
Listen, I understand there are some 3rd party manufactures that make some ridiculous shit, but let's not pretend this shit is not aimed at the same fucking audience. Also, it doesn't have to be "edgy gamer shit with leds" for something to actually look good.
>>340015781
Tryhard much?
>>340015956
your image literally says $199-$249 US for the 480.
The 480 is available in 4GB or 8GB.
The crossfired build said $500, so x2 $250.
It's pretty safe to assume the 8GB 480 will be about $250
>>340016115
>The 1070 is compelling, still not as good price to performance as a 480 but it still completely out-grades it so people who want a better class of performance will pay for it.
not all people are willing to pay the double for 20% of improvement.
>>340015002
>there will never be this level of fanboyism among sink brands
Only poorfags use porcelain. Granite is where it's at.
>>340016273
I know that.
I know I won't be getting it (especially since the Australian price is $800 AUD).
But I'm extending an olive branch in the spirit of not being a filthy fanboy.
I can appreciate spending more when you want a high end card, even if there is diminishing returns.
Ive been liking AMD. Had my 290 die and they sent me back a 390 8G for free.
>>340015862
AMD has always found the price/power ratio. Nvidia almost always takes the power performance crown. Has been like that since post 5800 series for AMD. I think the 5800 cards were the only time AMD took performance.
>>340015781
>black and red
>not edgy as fuck.
>>340015423
I'd be happy if the card looked like this if it is as cool and quiet as this is
This HD3870 is the coolest and quietest GPU I've ever seen.
100% fan speed with sub 65C temps at full load in my case and is whisper quiet sitting on a desk a foot from my head
>>340016121
Windows don't dampen noise as much as metal, or in some cases foam padding to dampen noise. Like Corsair offers a window version and a quiet version of some of their cases.
This is going to be hilarious when most of you retards start crossfiring and realising how much of a terrible buggy unstable mess it really is.
>>340016439
Did you send the card to AMD, or the OEM like MSI?
>>340015348
What a shitty opinion you have.
>>340016549
This. Xfire and SLI are fucking memes that need to die a fast death.
Can we assume there will also be other manufacturers making the 480?
Instead of getting the stock one I prefer to stick with Sapphire since their cooling is usually better.
So can I finally buy a new gpu or should I wait a little longer for the finfet architecture to mature?
>>340016486
>HD3870
die shrink from a previous generation, with half the memory bandwidth removed to save transistors. stuff like that tends to be cool
>>340016549
realistically people aren't going to want to crossfire.
they're going to pay $200 for a card that is equal to much more expensive cards from last year.
If they want anything better, they'll wait for 480x, 490 and 490x or they'll just buy a 1070
The crossfire benchmark AMD did is just because they didn't have their other shit ready to show, let's be honest.
>>340016589
AMD routed it to MSI, something to do with the original store I got it from. One of neweggs partner things. Still only took 2 weeks, I was impressed after that.
Date?
Size?
>>340016668
What GPU are you using?
Get this 480 as a stop gap while waiting for cards with HBM if your card is super old. If it isn't, just wait for those with HBM.
>>340012578
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/30dayshare.html
>>340016507
If you're temperatures are not ridiculously high than you should'n't be hearing noise at all. If you have to have your fan at 75% you're going to hear it no matter what. So in other words, if you don't have a shit card and poor ventilation, you're not going to hear noise regardless of having a window or not. Or you could stop being a pleb and get a nice cooling back plate.
>>340016704
It night have been MSI's customer service then, not AMD's.
>199$ Unted States Dollaroos
199$ Unted States Dollaroos
>199$ Unted States Dollaroos
199$ Unted States Dollaroos
>199$ Unted States Dollaroos
199$ Unted States Dollaroos
RIP nvidya
>>340016454
7970 rekt the 580 and the 680
>>340016549
>>340016646
vulkan and dx12 can directly access each gpu without the need for crossfire and shit
how useful and effective that will be remains to be seenspoiler: i've been working with computers for 25 years and i can tell you right now it's going to be not useful and ineffective as fuck
>>340016549
We honestly don't care, but the fact it's more energy efficient and can even beat the 1080 in any game while being a minimum $200 cheaper makes Nvidia fanboys squirm
If AMDs new strategy is to focus on badass mainstream cards for the years to come then we as PC gamers are going to be in a very solid situation
>yfw Nvidia decides to rain on AMD's parade by selling the 1050 and 1060 at a loss just because of their hubris and they have the money
>>340016814
Well free either way. Loving this thing, Cant get it over 67C compared to the 290 which was hitting in the 80+ playing terarria.
>>340014424
its great seeing the rabid pcucks turn among themselves 2bh
>>340016704
>AMD routed it to MSI, something to do with the original store I got it from
nothing to do with the original store you got it from. your card didn't come from AMD, it came from MSI, AMD sells the parts to MSI. you always go through the actual manufacturer of the product for RMA.
good job on MSI there. I had a similar thing happen where BFGTech (RIP) sent me an INFERIOR card on RMA and I called and pissed into the phone receiver while burning a dog. then I sent the card back and they sent me one worth like $200 more
>>340016218
Yeah but AMD wont charge that much for an extra 4gb vram, they aint nvidia
480 8gb will be either $229 or $239
>>340016826
HD48xx to HD79xx was better option to nVidia.
It's not even funny how long they held crown of being better and yet people still gone with novidya.
>>340016941
are you implying that this wouldn't be great?
one of the reasons we want AMD to at least stay in the fight is to keep nvidia on their toes.
competition is good, if nvidia held the entire market they could price their shit even worse and make even less significant improvements each generation.
>See this and fear for my R9 390X
>Read >>340015956
Could be worse. My card is still relevant for now.
>>340016919
all this misplaced hope
i wish it were aimed in a better direction
its like people really dont understand that ashes of the singularity benchmarks are meaningless
How can Nvidia be dead when they haven't even announced their cards in the same price point? And the fact that the NDA on the 480 lifts so close to its launch worries me as well. Do they not want people who pre order to be informed?
>>340016367
dunno, double price for a quarter of improvement feels just retarded.
How does it do with Witcher 3 in 4k?
>>340016218
They said <$500
And $50 for the extra ram? Nah, that doesn't add up to the usual AMD pricing step when it comes to additional memory.
>>340016454
ATI/AMD had very good performance per watt in the HD3xxx, HD4xxx, HD5xxx, and HD6xxx series.
The GTX570 and GTX580 were even more power hungry and hot but were massive improvements over the GTX480 and GTX470 which were awful because of leakage issues caused by 40nm manufacturing problems
It wasn't until Kepler than Nvidia had a solid advantage over an AMD architecture. To AMD's credit they did improve the power efficiency of GCN under the 28nm process. The Fury X is capable of almost 400w of power draw but usually draws around 290w which isn't bad compared to the GTX Titan X which draws 250w
>>340017176
that guys off in dreamland if he thinks the difference between 4gb and 8gb will be $50
it will be $100
>>340014424
competition is good
>>340016734
7870. Does nvidia have something similar to hbm? I see no mention of them backing hmc.
>>340016340
>brother's house has plastic
>>340017236
what are you fucking talking about,
show me 1 card where more ram = 100bux
nvidia or AMD
>>340012578
It's about time.
t. 970 cuck
>>340017161
yeah but there will always be people who want the next step, rather than just a bargain on what's already been achieved.
I'm a bargain guy, I'm the type of person who buys a midrange phone because I don't need the latest flagships.
But I can appreciate wanting more, if you've got a money that's your decision.
What I can't appreciate is choosing a bad value in the lower end because of fanboyism.
>>340017037
No, I'm definitely in agreement that it would be a good thing. I just think it would be funny if Nvidia deliberately waited until after Polaris was announced to decide on the price of their lower end cards so that they could make the 1050 or 1060 a more attractive card than the rx 480. All the "Nvidia is finished and bankrupt" posters would feel silly.
>>340017306
The 960 2gb was 50 less than the 960 4gb
That is a 2gb difference, double it 100 bucks?
>>340017487
Nvidia always charged a stupid amount for extra vram
770 4gb used to be the same price as r9 290s
>>340017306
The R9 270X 4GB but that's because its rare. on launch it wasn't that much more expensive
I seriously doubt the RX 480 8GB will be $300. $250 is more realistic.
>>340017374
no need to continue a fantasy with another fantasy
heres whats going to happen
reality: 480/460 isnt as fast as amd has perpetrated (surprise!!!) still really good low/mid cards
reality continued: 1050/1060 will also be a good low/mid range card, better than the AMD parts, but more expensive. like always.
People who know what they're doing will buy nvidia like always, because people who know what they're doing don't compromise on core components.
>>340017245
1080ti is most people's guess. Or Wait till Polaris.
which card is best for somebody who stares at their backlog with defeat and just ends up sitting on /v/ all day?
>>340012578
Looks like the next meme card to me.
>>340017662
>$250 is more realistic.
you dont infringe on your own SKUs, dumbasses.
why would ANYONE BUY the $200 part if you could get 4gb more ram for $50 retards
it will be $300. please listen to people older and wiser than you and stop your video card fantasy boner, rofl
I don't know... I'm really tempted on getting AMD this time around.
I'm a fucking student man... I can't be dropping 600 fucking dollars on a graphics card. They are planning on giving this away for 199??? Lets think about this for a sec. That alone helps me build up a new PC for this current gen.
I'll take it and try AMD this time around. Make this a learning experience so I can say that I've tried both AMD and Nvidia. Sorry Nvidiacucks.
>>340016115
t. Nvidia shill
>>340017487
I cannot find any info on this shit, so I beliebe you on this one, tho I would still want you to show me a card with 2 models of ram and 100bux range.
on release, mind you.
Proper first price.
>>340017793
>nvidia shill
funny that I get called that but also an AMD shill when I say nvidia is bad price to performance.
I'm currently using an AMD card and will probably upgrade to a 480/x.
>>340017764
>I can't be dropping 600 fucking dollars on a graphics card.
then dont buy one. why do you need a 600 dollar graphics card to play video games
>>340017681
What's a realistic estimate for the 1050? $200-$250, 6gb vram, and like 970-980 tier performance? I feel like that would sell a lot because it's more than enough for 1080p gaming, is affordable, and just having the Nvidia brand name will help it sell.
>>340017108
It's not misplaced at all, if the 1080 was so great being the "king of GPUs" then it would never be beaten by mainstream cards doing something as "clumsy and worthless" as crossfire
Yet the 1080 is beaten by a mainstream card in crossfire, the 480s are still more energy efficient while doing it, it doesn't matter if it is only in ashes of the singularity because if the 1080 wasn't just a die shrunk Maxwell then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation
>>340012578
That's really cool, cheap cards are better for all of us.
That said, I don't really have a reason to upgrade from my 390, I mostly play older 4x games at 1080p.
>>340016943
Its a great card, have you had any luck overclocking it? I was able to get an increase of 100mhz for the core clock and like 75 for the memory without messing around with the voltage, which is something that i'm still a little worried about doing.
>>340016054
And? Just because you don't know what it means and don't have the means or interest to find it out doesn't mean it isn't correct/real.
You could ask for a citation from the guy you are responding to that has sources, but If you cared enough to do that I think you would question a sourced article and say who is this guy a computer scientist at Harvard, why isn't he from MIT?
>>340012578
Any word on the Polaris 11 based card yet? Originally I was interested in the 480 but with the only worthwhile game this year being Bannerlord (if it even gets released this year) I see no reason to waste money on a card that powerful.
>>340017681
Its possible because of the lack of exact specs
Here's the real $10,000 question?
32 ROPs or 64 ROPs?
32 ROPs means it competes with the GTX970
64 ROPs means it competes with the GTX980
At $200 they may go with 32 ROPs and not 64 ROPs. This will be the biggest factor in performance
>>340017161
It matters for 1440p crowd which would want to get as high as constant FPS as possible.
Rx 480 is objectively better for 1080 60Hx users. Games that won't run extremely well on the 480 won't run well on the 1070 either.
Prime example being all the trash Microsoft has released thus far on PC.
Out of topic, Quantum Break, how does Remedy keep their allegiance., how many people do even know that game is out? Even Rise of the Tomb Raider had more marketing behind it.
>>340017902
>like 970-980 tier performance?
hahah no..
you guys are expecting way too much from this coming generation because these lying ass AMD benchmarks have warped your minds
>ashes of the singularity
really, how many times does it need to be repeated
1050 card is under 200, 1060 is 200-250
>Yet the 1080 is beaten by a mainstream card in crossfire
in ashes of the singularity
>>340017760
No one would buy a 480 8gb for $300 when the 1070 is $370~ and 25% faster
It will be $239
>>340017760
Its possible as I have yet to see confirmation.
We'll see very soon
>>340018067
I bought a 970 at ~300+ and I'd do it again. My real question is hdmi 2.0. I had to buy nvidia because amd weren't doing hdmi 2.0. It was also before the adapter.
>>340018067
480 performance as most guessed would be somewhere between 970 and 980. Probably better their their 390x cards but worse than their Fury X. It is a stop gap till Polaris.
>>340017889
20 rupees have been deposited in your account.
>>340017760
$300 will be the 490.
>>340018078
>Out of topic, Quantum Break, how does Remedy keep their allegiance., how many people do even know that game is out?
Man I don't know. I'm assuming microsoft footed the bill for the entire game or else remedy devs would be literally committing suicide right now
I imagine what happened is that they begged to get the game on steam and were chased out of the building.
>>340018087
>1050 card is under 200, 1060 is 200-250
The 1070 is more expensive than the 970 at launch, we can't say for sure what Nvidia will do.
>>340018017
Wiki articles without any citation is as trustworthy as 4chan.
>>340017662
$229.99
>150 watts like a normalfag though
>>340017760
Because I don't need 4gb more of ram. I plan on buying 4 cards (no really) two 8gb cards for my 4k cf stuff. And 1 for my 1920x1200 gaming rig at "home" and one for my 1920x1080 rig that will replace a 7950. I'm not upgrading to 4k any time soon on the two I want the 8gb for.
>>340018191
but I specifically elected to be paid in vietnamese dongs!
>>340017760
>$100 more for 4gb of vram
what is this, apple?
>>340018263
Isn't that good though? Less power means less heat, even if you don't care about power bills.
>>340017893
You dont, unless you want to play the very latest games on max settings at 1440p/4k
Rx 480 will easily max everything at 1080p/60fps for $200. It has around 980 performance and my 980 shits on everything at 1080p, many games run 100+fps.
Should I upgrade my 7970? Or should I wait longer?
Does the 480 support Vulkan?
>>340018249
Why didn't you google it yourself? Look it up, as I said if you aren't willing to do the research why would you bother asking for a citation.
If wiki had a citation you would take their word for it?
Nothing has changed here except you found a "reason" to decline to consider his argument.
>>340018406
Any OpenGL4.x is supported by Vulkan, that is huge list.
>>340018087
>really, how many times does it need to be repeated
there is literally nothing wrong with using Ashes as a benchmark.
They gave Nvidia the opportunity to work with them on optimizing for the game.
Just because nvidia can't into async compute and hasn't got a gameworks advantage doesn't mean it's not valid.
DX12 isn't going to just disappear until nvidia figures their shit out.
>>340018474
I did, I came to the conclusion it's a marketing bullshit metric, asked to show me some citation after that.
Saw that nobody had any citation, my initial though holds up.
See how this fucking works?
Do you think the coming line will mark a good time to convert to 1600p144hz?
>>340018186
But that's my question
32 ROPs means possibly less performance at 1080P than the GTX970
64 ROPs means its quite a bit fast than the GTX970 and competitive with the GTX980
>>340018405
>It has around 980 performance
i can't understand why you guys drank the kool aid so incredibly hard when these numbers youre referencing are *from the manufacturer*
its like you are stnading here telling me philip morris told you cigarettes are safe
dude...ive been buying 3d cards since 1996
this card isnt going to be as fast as a 980 for 200 dollars. because if it were it would be basically the most revolutionary piece of technology of all time, AMD would have broken some kind of efficiency barrier
sorry bro it didnt happen...wait a second, dont we not even have the actual specs on the 480 silicon??
>>340017681
I think nvidia will have a hard time beating the 480.
the x60 cards havent been nvidias strong point since the 460/560ti. 760/960 were shit compared to AMDs counterparts.
>>340018223
MS store is shit and they know it. They would need to have the game store incorporated into the xbox app, because the MS app store looks like Android Market circa 2010.
And ignoring one of the most successful platforms of all time, top lel, what is Microsoft thinking?
Even Ubisoft is not that retarded, they offer either especial bonuses or additional games in the purchase, if people chose to buy their games through their platform which about never gets discounts, although I was close to purchasing Rise of The Tomb Raider with them solely for Far Cry 4.
>Build PC in 2011
>Buy 7750
Shit Driver Crashes Everywhere
>Buy 7770
Alright, Drivers still crash all the time
>Buy 760
No isses except on Prince of Qin, a Chink Diablo Rip Off from the late 90s that wasn't even released in the US
>Buy 970
Barely an improvement over the 2GB 760 with 2GB more of VRAM
Probably gonna stick with the 970 for a while desu. In a couple years I may buy a 1080 though. Honestly, to anyone considering the switch because of price, the hassle from Drivers alone is just not fucking worth it.
>>340018552
the fuck are ROPs
>>340018494
They will try their hardest to counter its adoption for as long as possible
>>340018575
>760/960 were shit compared to AMDs counterparts.
you can discuss performance all you want but when the time came i bought a 960 without so much as a glance toward the amd hardware because amd shit is inferior.
what happened in previous generations really doesn't matter, you should realize that since you're living in this 480 fantasy world
>>340018568
Yes it will, if you have been around as long as you say you have you would remember the previous die shrinks and the performance increases they brought.
Last die shrink the 660ti/670 shat on the 580 for half the price. Plus pic related, C7 is confirmed to be the 480. Its inbetween 980 and Fury performance, screencap this and wait a month.
>>340018548
Yes. I do. I spent about 30 seconds on google and found out what it means.
For what ever reason you want me to explain to you technical details that I doubt you can understand to you.
Do I need to define MPG to you because you don't know what a gallon is?
If you aren't willing to do the research why would I bother informing you?
>>340018494
>DX12 isn't going to just disappear until nvidia figures their shit out.
right, it's not going to disappear because it's not really ever going to appear to begin with
remember all those ashes of the singularity threads on /v/ all the time? boy, game sure is relevant
>>340018568
Die shrinks are awesome things.
>>340018616
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_output_unit
Google it
>>340018709
>3dmark
>dx12
the conversations i've had in the past month have shown me that /v/ overwhelmingly doesn't understand how to actually process what they're seeing in regards to benchmarks, so i'm not going to argue anymore
Do we have any specs on RX480 from AMD partners like MSI and Sapphire?
>>340018551
Nope, next year definitively given next year will debut the PCI-E 4.0.
All the idiots who bought the founders versions of the 1080 will commit sodoku when the Ti model comes out.
I am picking the Rx 480 based on the price and because the 1070 makes no difference except for meme VR games and Early Access shit that still runs like shit on a Titan.
>>340018701
>when the time came i bought a 960 without so much as a glance toward the amd hardware because amd shit is inferior.
I really hope this is bait.
The 960 was a terrible card, people give the 970 shit but at least it gave your some decent 1080p performance for the price.
The 960 was outclassed in performance for the price by AMD's cards over a year before the 960 was announced, you didn't have the wallet for a real nvidia card so you bought their shitty offering because of memes.
Again, I really hope you're baiting.
>>340018808
What does that mean tho?
what is ROP is not defined in here, this article is useless.
>>340018605
No reason to upgrade from a 970 if you are still on 1080p. Still good till next round of cards.
i have a 770.
should I get a 480?
>>340018808
Googles down, spoonfeed me.
with amd's track record, i'll wait until they are actually beating nvidia. for me beating them includes outperforming AND having better drivers.
How much faster is the 480 than my 7870?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
Watch this video, and stop supporting shitvidya. Lets get the industry to a new rise guys with good decisions.
>>340018186
>It is a stop gap till Polaris.
The 480 IS Polaris. The 490 is Vega.
>>340018860
>performance this performance that
tell me what i'm not getting 60fps 1200p in on high
oh yeah, witcher 3, the game that was fun enough to play for approximately 10 hours before uninstalling
you think reality is bait? why do you think nvidia owns the market and the 960, such a terrible card, crushed every great amd card you compare it to?
because people dont want to deal with amds shit low quality hardware and shit drivers
>>340018882
970 does 60fps on 4k mine is a gigabyte strix model though, not sure how high the factory overclock is.
>>340018928
no, if you need spoon feeding you wouldn't understand.
Rx480 8gb model is $230.
Performance should be close to a R9 390.
Nvidia has nothing this powerful AND this cheap.
Nvidia is bracing for impact and Intel is too.
AMD is back in the game.
These are the facts children, deal with it.
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-clock-speeds/
>>340018938
AMD drivers have been better than Nvidia since at least 12.10. Nvidia drivers just get worse and worse lately.
RIP Nvidia
>>340018938
>outperforming
What does this mean?
>having better drivers
I think you just set up an impossible benchmark.
>>340018992
Well I can't get the information since Google is down.
Spoonfeed me.
>>340018369
can't blame him he's used to nvidia pricing
I'm just doing some very crude math here. The 960 has 76% of the performance of the 970, and had 60% of the price of the 970 at launch ($199 vs $329). If the 1060 is priced to the same ratio to the 1070 as the 960 was to the 970, it'll be $227 (probably rounded to $229) for 76% the performance of a 1070. Doesn't this put it around where the 8gb rx 480 is in terms of price/performance? I mean I'm glad AMD is more competitive now, but I doubt Nvidia is dead.
>>340018992
in diablo 3, sorry i meant to say that. 4k diablo 3, a non demanding game (the only one i still really play)
>>340019065
Also google isn't down, your internet doesn't work.
>>340018701
Instead of the 960 you could of bought a 380 with more vram, better overall performance and WAY better dx12 performance.
Thats why the 960 was a shit card. It cost too much for the performance, has limited vram and is now outdated as fuck.
pic related, get your wallet ready to upgrade ;)
>>340019027
>AMD drivers have been better than Nvidia since at least 12.10.
I have a gtx 760
Should I go for the 1070 when its released aftermarket? I dont really want to spend 600 on a 1080 when the 1070 will be priced with such great value.
>>340018983
>why do you think nvidia owns the market and the 960
you just explained why, because people like you don't even look at the AMD option because of dumb fanboyism.
You're happy to pay more for a card that was outclassed for cheaper over a year earlier, just to be on a the green team, like it's a team sport.
Nvidia has it's place at the high end, if you can't afford their higher end cards don't be a fucking poser by buying their shitty ones.
>>340019121
How can you be so sure that Google isn't down?
>>340019123
Doesn't have hdmi 2.0 I have a 970 because no hdmi 2.0.
>>340018616
ROP means nothing, it's 2D acceleretion card term that nVidia still uses to this fucking day.
Basically it's output bus, what relevance it has on render? None.
>>340018839
Are you saying 3dmark 11 is dx12? Nigga you stupid. Its even in the name, 3d mark "11". Its dx11.
>AMD shows a nice thing
>IT'S OVER, NVIDYA IS FINISHED 3.5 LOL JEWS
>Nvidia shows a nice thing
>IT'S OVER, AMD IS FINISHED MOAR COARS UMAD
Do you faggots have to do this EVERYTIME either company shows some sign of business competition?
>>340018938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
Stop shilling for a cause that doesn't do good for consumers
>>340019129
*installs latest nvidia driver*
*card gets fried*
>>340018568
more like nvidia is slacking because they own 80% of the niche highend market
>>340019123
>dx12
>he fell for the win10 meme
and before you start assuming I own amd
>>340019152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
No, don't buy nvidia cards ever again. They're distorting the market / the performance of their older cards
>>340018839
>the conversations i've had in the past month have shown me that /v/ overwhelmingly doesn't understand how to actually process what they're seeing in regards to benchmarks, so i'm not going to argue anymore
I am new to all this, also not the anon you were previously arguing with but...
I read that something something, Nvidia new cards, for a better lack of term, simulate DX12 reason why AMD cards seem to have an advantage, but also why the 1080 totally shits itself in Quantum Break.
So I really don't know what you are saying, but it got me deeply intrigued.
>>340019176
works for me m8 and them.
>>340018956
Die shrink. What do you think?
>>340019273
W10 is going to become the norm whether we like it or not.
It had mass mainsteam success and steam hardware survey shows it was a success with gamers too.
>>340019295
>how much
I know it's going to be faster.
>>340019240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
>>340019065
>Well I can't get the information since Google is down.
Change DNS servers. If you're using google dns servers, don' t do that.
>>340019123
>you could of
>could of
>of
of course you'd say that
>you could of bought an AMD card
yeah cool i could "of" gotten more FPS and video artifacts in dota 2 like when i tried my 390 that my brother gave me (for free) and then gave it back to him, because not dealing with AMD shit is about 100x more important than framerate
did you know you literally have autism? when all you care about in regards to your experience is chasing numbers?
can't wait til you experience your first time of a game not working on launch day on AMD hardware. don't worry, happens every year, it'll come around to something you buy.
>max detail
>MLAA
okay turn it down to "high" and get 60 fps problem solved
>>340018956
Over double the performance
>>340019292
>>340019360
found what i needed using Bing
fucking Google, just gave me another reason not to support their shit company
>>340019352
>i'll be able to dictate everyone's opinion to them if i just post this over and over!
>you should let some youtube guy think for you instead of thinking for yourself! do as I say!
hey guess what newfriend that's a bannable offense :)
>>340019454
What did you find?
>>340019382
> video artifacts in dota 2 like when i tried my 390 that my brother gave me (for free) and then gave it back to him
>(for free)
Your brother just gave you a broken 390.
Get that shit replaced if it still under warranty holy shit.
>>340015629
AMD/Nvidia plays the same games but Nvidia has exclusive technologies and objectively performs better in both vidya and real world applications.
Basically, AMDrones are 13 years old who got a cheap graphics card and are trying hard to justify their purchase.
>>340019454
>Better be supporting Microsoft
It's your end that is fucked up, not Googles.
>>340019382
>he actually bought a 960
>>340019382
>video artifacts
>dota
>AMD software
>a problem since the mid 2000s
You're actually a fucking drone. You probably actually believe that Nvidia have better R&D than AMD when AMD have connections to IBM and intel while nvidia have contacts with fucking no one.
>>340019203
We stop posting the worst "girl" aka fag
>>340019531
(You)
>>340019531
>better in both vidya and real world applications*
*Perform better in nVidia framework and CUDA applications while cannot hold a handle to AMD in DX12/Vulkan and OpenCL
>>340019531
>AMDrones are 13 years old who got a cheap graphics card and are trying hard to justify their purchase.
nvidia drones do the same thing, see >>340018983
>>340012578
Does it come with a free fire extinguisher?
>>340019536
Yeah no if Google doesn't want to fix their problems I'm not going to use their shitty services.
>>340019528
I had my 7950 give me artifacting problems, I talked to CS and they said send it back we will replace it. I didn't, because I didn't want to be without it. I now have a factory over clocked card that can only run at 850mhz instead of the 900 factory overclocked number because i didn't send it back.
TFW they said it should be able to run at 1ghz mhz, a year or so after i sent it back and i can't because i didn't bother to send it back.
>>340019662
that's not the 1080FE
>>340019531
also lots of anti competitive practices and jewing people with proprietary technology, planned obsolescence and dirty tricks to market their cards
>>340019703
"their problem"
They have no problem, you do.
ShitVidya is a 2nd tier manufacturer can you please stop supporting the cancerous nvidia gameworks and their shady schemes already, they're not doing any favors for consumers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
>>340019662
No, but you get a free pack of marshmallows for smores.
>>340019646
>nVidia framework and CUDA applications
So in other words, any application worth giving a shit about.
Iray is also Nvidia exclusive, and it's one of the best renderers out there.
>>340019123
he could have bought a 280x, which was available much earlier, outperforms it and the 380 and was cheaper as well.
I really have no problem with people paying more for good nvidia cards, but when they pay a premium for the shitty ones and act like they have to, that's fucking disgusting.
>>340019719
oh and this is all my fault, sorry about the guy with the 390 that didn't send it back, that's what happens if you don't actually rma things you should.
>>340019290
He thought the benchmark was dx12 and in doing so "favouring" AMD since AMD cards shit on nvidia cards in dx12.
But its dx11, so he ran off
>>340019531
Way to prove his point you dumb fucking idiot
>>340019758
its googles job to fix these problems so its THEIR problem
fucking hacks.
>>340019115
OK after looking at more benchmarks, it doesn't quite seem like the 960 got 76% the performane of the 970 in most games. So the 960 was 60-70% the performance of the 970 for 60% the price.
So if the 1060 is $229 for 70% the performance of the 1070, that puts it in between the 970 and 980, which is right where the RX 480 is as well. Again, I'm no expert, I'm just doing crude math here. Correct me if I made a mistake.
>>340019273
You must be pretty fucking ignorant if you're not aware of how much of performance boost AMD cards especially gain from DX12 of W10
>>340019763
oh yeah, fallout 4, the game that was fun enough to play for approximately 10 hours before uninstalling
>>340019776
iray as any other CUDA rayracing renderer is shit, lacks basic feature even of Mental Ray.
and per usual Vray shits over the competition.
>>340019290
microsoft, beyond all intelligent reasoning, has been actively trying to kill PC gaming for years and has taken it to new heights with "unified windows experience" in windows 10. Directx12 is part of this environment. with UWP you can only buy games from the windows store, settings adjustments are extremely limited, mods etc are 100% disallowed, and the OS actively blocks you from running programs that capture video, anything that hooks into the program etc.
You have to run Win10 to get Directx12, and many, if not most relevant Directx12 games (in the next 2 years or so while it's still "new") will be windows store UWP games. strike 1
Now, the reason why AMD is only showing benchmarks that use DX12, is because DX12 heavily makes use of asynchronous compute, a type of feature that AMD has engineered core support for into their new generation of cards.
Nvidia, in a philosophical break (most likely because microsoft has actively tried to kill PC gaming for years) has sided with the Vulkan API consortium. Vulkan does not make much use of asynchronous compute, so nvidia did not engineer their new architecture to make use of asynchronous compute.
So what you see is cherrypicking. Nvidia accounts for something like 65% of video cards in gamers computers. The industry fondles their nuts and the AMD parts will have very threatening performance compared to the nvidia parts **only in situations involving DX12 and asynchronous compute**
So, yeah, enjoy playing games like "ashes of the singularity" and "quantum break" (quanwho what?) on UWP on the windows store on your new 480 card. Which is gonna cost $200 outright (fantasy world)
>>340019065
Basically ROPs effect how fast you can feed pixels your screen. This is also determined by core clock speeds.
Maxwell GPUs are much better at this than GCN GPUs because of their high core clocks and number of ROPs.
http://www.hwcompare.com/29472/geforce-gtx-980-vs-radeon-r9-380x/
>>340019818
Consoles all have their ups and downs, but there is literally no reason to buy AMD over Nvidia aside from being poor, you dolt.
With Wii/Ps4/Xbone you get different games and different features, with AMD you're doing the same shit as Nvidia but with worse efficiency and performance, and no support for Nvidia exclusive technologies.
>>340019936
You're missing the point, nvidia tried hard to ruin the performance in that game for AMD cards, yet they end up ruining their own performance with newer patches. They want existing nvidia owners to buy newer cards, don't you see it?
>>340019985
Cheers senpai, all Bing got me were pictures of horse pussy.
>>340016115
I dunno senpai, I'm getting fantastic performance outta my two 970s. All max 1080P 60 in Witcher 3, Far Cry 4, and several other games.
>inb4 not 4K
>>340019974
+1 this before it's deleted guys!
Microsoft is going to make it so we can't be better than consoles or something.
>>340019382
>can't wait til you experience your first time of a game not working on launch day on AMD hardware.
this is what they don't seem to get. instead of being on /v/ bitching about muh gameworks, muh tesselation, i'm able to have games just werk.
>>340019985
>It's output bus
>It has effect on anything
No it doesn't.
>>340019974
>gameworks game
>IT'S NOT CHERRYPICKING AMD JUST CAN'T OPTIMIZE
>DX12 game
>WOW WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT USING NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT NVIDIA HASN'T ACCOUNTED FOR THIS DOESN'T COUNT
what's even the point of real world benchmarks when they all get dismissed?
Someone also said Fallout 4 isn't a valid benchmark just because he doesn't like the game.
>>340019763
The most likely explanation is that AMD's optimizations for their current cards pass down to their older cards better because of all the rebranding they do. Nvidia went through more architectures in the past few years, and they just stop caring about optimizing their older cards. I'm willing to bet the "gimping" meme will apply to the 200 and 300 series cards once AMD starts focusing on Polaris drivers.
>>340020216
>We added one more pipeline bus!
>It's new architecture guys!
>>340020216
Nigga practically all nvidia do is stick more transistors on it.
>>340020294
What is netburst?
>>340020036
That's dumb because gimping their old cards would make people more likely to buy AMD's cards than it would make them buy Nvidia's new cards. Nobody with a brain would do that.
>>340020096
yeah i had a friend want a new enthusiast card right in the middle of the 970 3.5 debacle. I suggested 970 to him without batting an eyelash and i even persuaded him not to get an AMD card which someone else suggested
release day for battlefront came and he happily gobbled it up with nary an issue. meanwhile internet flooding with reports of AMD driver problems on release day with battlefront.
ive seen it happen so many times and every time i mention it kids are like "GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF A TIME THAT HAPPENED". lol.
People tend to forget Rage where AMD botched an entire games PC launch, because they didn't have compliant opengl drivers.
>>340017037
>"e-e-even if we're losing we're winning!"
You poor, pathetic creature. To think AMDipshits were this delusional since nVidia has been dominating the graphics card market for nearly a decade.
>>340018972
https://youtu.be/fZGV5z8YFM8?t=44m51s
Nvidia will have the whole market soon anyways.
>>340020351
It's what nvidia has been doing lately though.
>>340020346
>The NetBurst microarchitecture, called P68 inside Intel, was the successor to the P6 microarchitecture in the x86 family of CPUs made by Intel.
>>340020202
it's apples and oranges. gameworks is nvidia directly engaging with developers
dx12 vs vulkan and async vs not async is an industry-wide philosophical battle that affects everyone. if you are on AMD's side then you are on the side of microsoft and unified windows experience.
is that what you want? UWP games? because that's what AMD wants.
>>340020112
Explain why please? It always seems like AMD GPUs are bottlenecked compared to their Nvidia counter parts at 1080P
I thought this was also do to their worse driver overhead causing a CPU bottleneck but I figured ROPs and core clock also had an effect
>>340019974
>and the OS actively blocks you from running programs that capture video, anything that hooks into the program etc.
is that something that is going to happen or is happening? Because not only this hasn't happened to me, but even games like Quantum Break have an option for streamers.
and that benchmark was for DX11 so anon says.
>>340020409
PC market? Consoles will still have AMD though, and AMD will have edge on PC gaming too from that.
>>340020429
But is it intentional gimping or just them not optimizing their drivers for older cards? Intentional gimping is inexcusable, but just not improving the cards for more than a year isn't that bad.
>>340020216
the 780 started getting beaten by both the 960 and 280x in newer games, but specifically in gamesworks titles.
This really has no reason to be.
if you were to say
>well the 960 is getting better performance because it's newer and has access to their newer technologies and optimizations
then why is the 200 series still keeping up when it's so much older and rebranded anyway?
If you said
>well AMD has been using the same architecture so the older cards reap the benefits
then how come the 780 isn't nearly as bad in non-gameworks titles?
If the 960 and 280x were just doing better because they're still being supported, you'd expect the 780 to be outperformed consistantly in gameworks and non-gameworks titles.
>>340020409
>Waaah! Nvidia won't play fair!
If you can't slam with the best then jam with the rest.
>>340020435
This is the name given to the 20-stage instruction pipeline within the Willamette core. This is a significant increase in the number of stages when compared to the Pentium III, which had only 10 stages in its pipeline. The Prescott core has a 31-stage pipeline.
From the same page.
>>340020464
there are elements of engineering that cant be boiled down to a number of parts.
there's a reason better-engineered things cost more and work better.
>>340020216
Both sides do rebranding. 680 = 770. 670 = 960.
So what if AMD stop focusing on the 290/390 series now, they have optimized it as much as they can I bet. 290/x shits all over the 780 ti now, and the 290x/390/390x can all keep up with the 980 now (and outperform it in dx12).
>>340020442
>if you are on AMD's side then you are on the side of microsoft and unified windows experience.
Ah, you are retarded. I see.
Fuck off to reddit.
>>340020464
Because Video cards render in Vertexes and then transfer everything in pixels and then they go to output, render is not affected by output.
If output bus was a huge bottleneck as ROPs you suggest then more fps = less quality because there is not enough data transfer capability.
>>340020567
It's very hard to know as a consumer when they have every incentive (profit wise) to gimp their previous cards. It's a thin line imo
>>340020549
>but even games like Quantum Break have an option for streamers.
built into the game itself, ie controlling what you get to do. that's not what PC environment is about. everything has built in streaming now anyway, it's 2016
and it is happening now. microsoft has promised to remove it but you don't sell yourself into slavery with the promise that the shackles will break
it doesn't matter if it's for dx11, 3dmark is historically useless becuase it's a synethtic benchmarks. synthetic benchmarks are meaningless. and i think he's wrong anyway, i think it's an unreleased 3dmark version with dx12, or they wouldn't have used it to produce their amazing figures.
>>340020442
ironic that you say this when nvidia is pretty much the microsoft of graphics processors.
>holds most of the market because people are unwilling to change
>invests heavily in proprietary closed-source technologies to kill free alternatives
>charges a premium for what should be much cheaper
And it's a complete misrepresentation to say DX12=UWP.
DX12 can be implemented in any game, people even made unofficial DX12 plugins for emulators, you can get a performance boost from Dolphin right now if you happen to have W10 and enable the plugin.
>>340020586
Yeah, but any civilized western country would fine a company doing these practices if they were caught. This isn't the "good" capitalism, this is the "bad" capitalism.
>>340020567
the entire nvidia gimping drivers conspiracy thing came from one driver release which broke a gameworks thing in witcher 3 and lowered the framerate. they fixed it like the next day.
that's it. that's the actual extent of this issue.
neckbeards pushing this fantasy don't seem to understand that if nvidia did that and were caught doing it, the FTC could fine them like 36 billion fucking dollars.
>>340020580
>then how come the 780 isn't nearly as bad in non-gameworks titles?
Because gameworks keeps offering new features that older cards aren't as good at. This isn't a conspiracy, old cards are rarely good at new technologies. I don't see this is intentionally gimping older hardware because they're offering features with gameworks.
>>340020580
From what i've read its because nvidia has their cards pretty much optimized to the max on release, so over the course of its life it will only see a 5-10% boost from drivers.
Whereas the AMD cards come out with much more powerful hardware but the software is lacking so it only uses say around 75%~ of its performance. Then over the course of the cards life, with improved drivers/software we can see the cards true potential with a nice 20-30% boost and maybe further perf boosting through dx12.
>>340019974
>Vulkan does not make much use of asynchronous compute
Source. Because Vulkan is derived from Mantle, and DX12 is just the other side of the coin. Both use async compute.
>>340020791
>DX12 can be implemented in any game
and you really think all devs are going to bother when win10 is like 28% market share right now? and when vulkan is supported in other OSes?
>>340012578
>4/8Gb vram
>256bit memory interface
Is this a joke ?
>>340015002
>what is the diamond industry
>>340020703
>when they have every incentive (profit wise) to gimp their previous cards
No, they don't. They'd be giving free money to AMD if they did that. Look at how many AMD fans ITT believe Nvidia intentionally gimps their older cards.
>>340014424
>How are card/cpu wars any different than console wars?
The difference is console manufactures actually back up their hardware with video games, PC users get nothing for shilling Nvidia or AMD.
>>340020937
>28% right now
wow, W10 is doing better than W7
>>340020839
I thought it had to do with Nvidia cards allegedly preforming worse over time?
>>340020839
They fixed it because the people aggressively insisted them to fix it. If they weren't pressured they probably would've let it slide.
>>340020854
So you are just saying AMD cards have better technology than nvidia cards that allow them to last way longer? I guess thats true if we look at dx12.
780 cost $500 mind you, double the price of a 280x and still a hefty amount more than a 290 at the time.
>>340020839
You'd need to be an nvidia engineer to prove it, there's fuck all in the way of people who could actually do this that aren't incentivised to not do it.
>>340020868
>Whereas the AMD cards come out with much more powerful hardware but the software is lacking so it only uses say around 75%~ of its performance. Then over the course of the cards life, with improved drivers/software we can see the cards true potential with a nice 20-30% boost and maybe further perf boosting through dx12.
hahahahhahah
yall niggas flyin around on clouds with captain nemo
>>340020791
>holds most of the market because people are unwilling to change
i'm not gimping MY build just to make a point though.
>>340020854
I already explained this in a way I thought was very clear.
This would be an excuse except the 200 series is old itself, the 280 and 280x are rebrands as well.
These new gameworks features should be gimping the 200 series as well if the 960 is benefiting from it but the 780 is not.
>>340012578
Are PC users all this stupid? You nvidia fanboys take the bait Every single time, kill this thread it's nothing but shitposting
>pc modders can't mod their drivers
>>340020967
That's because they got caught doing these sorts of shady practices. And how much of the gamer populace does this thread represent? It's good to see there are people aware of what nvidia gameworks does, but I get the feeling they will get away with it regardless unless we push it harder.
>>340020987
nope. has never happened. the entire thing is a chemtrails level trailer park conspiracy theory
>>340020997
it's called a subpoena anon.
>>340020992
>So you are just saying AMD cards have better technology than nvidia cards that allow them to last way longer?
Yes.
>>340020961
Its a mid range GPU, and has 8Gbps GDDR5 on board. Thats 256GB/s for a mid range card with a new iteration of delta color compression.
Why do you tech illiterate retards go out of your way to find fault with things your tiny peon brains can't comprehend?
>>340020743
Bro.. its 3d mark 11.. stop talking if you dont know anything
Look at the scores here, https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18667488 its the same fucking benchmark
>>340021123
>we
please go back "there". people form their own opinions here and most people in this thread have probably been building computers longer than you have been alive
amd shit is trash bruh.
>>340021123
>And how much of the gamer populace does this thread represent?
/v/ is one of the biggest boards and 4chan gets like 20 million unique views every month. Similar conversations to whats happening ITT happen on other social media forums like Reddit as well. I'd say a good chunk of PC gamers are aware of the gimping meme.
>>340020982
>all those games that aren't even out
Damn, PS4.0 fags got royally cucked.
PS4.5 reveal at E3 is going to be such a shitstorm.
>>340021217
the image says 3dmark. why would they not specify?
once again it doesnt even matter if its dx11, its a synthetic benchmark, if you don't know what that means then kindly stay outta the conversation :)
>>340021226
You can form your own opinion if you view the data and look at it from both viewpoints, but if you don't, then you're biased. There's no reason why a shit tier 950 or 960 is better than godtier 780 TI, and why midtier AMD cards are doing better than some good nvidia cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh9Akfu90Gs
>le gimping
>>340020987
No, its just that AMD cards get better over time so it looks like nvidia cards are ageing worse
>>340021280
>I'd say a good chunk of PC gamers are aware of the gimping meme.
I wouldn't. little childish conspiracy theory shit like that tends to stay limited to sparse conversations on /v/.
it never got legs because it was never believable in the first place. people shrug off shit like that as fanboyism.
>>340021280
It must be pretty good meme when all the graphs show the same conclusion, that a inferior 950-960 is beating 780 TI yet not AMD counterparts
>>340021387
but that would only be valid if the 780 showed its age in non-gameworks titles.
But what we see is that the 780 performs where you'd expect in new non-gameworks games, but gets thrown to the side by both new nvidia and old AMD cards when it comes to gameworks titles.
>>340021359
>There's no reason why
there's no reason why if you don't understand what you're talking about, which is what's happening if you created a situation in which this is true
again, there was a driver issue that was corrected in a day or two, that led to some bad framerates and was fixed. your opinion is based on that.
hence trailer park conspiracy theory.
>>340021037
You are exactly the kind of idiotic consumer that leads to this
>>340021538
Did you even read my post, where did I say anything about witcher 3? The graphs I mentioned are benchmarks from other games.
>>340021012
Explain why the 7970 shits on the 680. Why does the 290/x shit on the 780 and the 780 Ti which was in another price bracket all together. 390/x was way behind the 980 and now they can compete with it np.
Because AMD improves the performance over time.
>>340021297
>8 games are already out and counting
>b-b-but no games
>still at 0 games for your hardware by nvidia/amd
>heh my gpu runs at 1.2 technohurts better than urs and i can apply 2 more shaders to my multiplat
>hah ps4.5 going to cuck ps4 owners because they subscribe to annual iterations just like we masterrace PC users
>h-huh? why arent u mad that new hardware exists?? I thought u guys are like us and have to immediately drop cash on cutting edge hardware just to enjoy vidiya??
Even if I was mad and had the buy the hardware, I'll still be buying a system with more and better games than PC while u get zero from your manufacture because they dont give a fuck about video games, just like PC users seeing as they're willing to settle for multiplats. DISGUSTING!
>>340021454
Oh please, it's not all the graphs. The relative performance of older Nvidia cards to older AMD cards is the same at launch and a few years later in most games. see>>340021369
>>340021428
IDK, there's tons of youtube videos about it so a lot of people are talking about it.
>>340021630
did you read my post where i said if you don't understand what you're talking about?
an older card doesn't have support for features that newer cards do. is there something particularly difficult to understand about this?
you want to be batman, and you want to be exposing some horrible corporate wrong to people, but the reality is that *new features were added to new products* and that *the old product is not as good at them*
not understanding this, or arguing against this, is a choice. I don't have to be on the other end of it though
you aren't going to save me from anything batman, it's me again, same guy whos bought 3d cards since 1995, and guess what: ATI/AMD have done incredibly deceptive shit to fake performance figures on a number of occassions across 20 years
you dont know about most of them because you were literally not born or in grade school when they happened
oh no! maybe you're the bad guy!
>>340021702
There was no 780 TI or 280 in that video
>>340021337
http://videocardz.com/60253/amd-radeon-r9-480-3dmark11-benchmarks
You need any more proof bud? ;)
Its a synthetic benchmark sure, but the cards scores do represent where they fall in gaming performance.
>>340021659
8 games, WOW you cant even count them on ONE hand anymore.
>>340021659
PS4 currently only has Bloodborne.
All its other good games like Kingdom Hearts 3, Persona 5, Last Guardian, Nioh, Horizon among many more are still not out, and it's almost E3 2016.
People who bought a PS4 on release paid $400 for early access to Bloodborne, MGSV went full multiplat, Silent Hills got cancelled, everything people cared about got held back.
So anyone who waited will be able to get the PS4.5 or one of the many discounted PS4.0s just before the system starts to get its library.
>>340021802
So you're saying Nvidia deliberately gimps their older cards, but only sometimes?
>>340019382
I hope you are just trying to rustle some jimmies and aren't actually trying to shill that shit Nvidia card so fucking hard. Raw numbers have just shown you the 380 is a better buy, and pretending AMD has poor quality or software issues with their cards is just plain stupid. If your 390 artifacted, it was fucking broken. That's like me taking a broken 980 and saying "wow look at this, Nvidia cards just break!" Which I am sure would get you real wound up as the Jewvidia fag that you are...
>>340021794
You're not going to give an answer to why AMD shits on both 700 and 900 series cards are you?
>>340021817
>Its a synthetic benchmark sure, but the cards scores do represent where they fall in gaming performance.
except the problem with synthetic benchmarks is that that classically isn't true
hence the reason no respectable source uses synthetic benchmarks and nobody who understands what they're talking about references them
wait for a hardocp review of the hardware
>>340019531
Holy shit you are actually fucked in the head. Even LinusTechTips fans are smarter than you
>>340021895
Only in gameworks games
>>340021908
>pretending AMD has poor quality or software issues
>>340021982
>Holy shit you are actually fucked in the head.
You have Brand X that's better than Brand Y in every single way possible, why would you defend Brand Y to the death?
>>340021995
>nvidia deliberately gimps their own cards in the games that they paid extra money for their cards to run fast in
>but they only do it sometimes, specifically when the time is right to give AMD a market advantage by doing it
conspiracy theorists, ladies and gentlemen
>>340022113
Nvidia only has control on games that has nvidia code running in it, gameworks games. Those are only games where they can make 600 and 700 cards run a bit slower.
>>340021884
>PS4 currently only has Bloodborne.
Sorry can't take your bullshit seriously as I play mecha and Uncharted 4.
It doesn't matter how hard you try to deny the PS4's library, you can't meme your way out of the fact that it always has more and 10x better games than PC and you buy hardware with the return of ZERO games, just the ability to run shitty multiplats a bit better and yearly upgrades that you have to buy otherwise you'll be called a poorfag by your PC friends.
Even in terms of demo, consoles got two FFXV demos, one with 8 hours of top tier gameplay. PC really has fucking nothing in compairsson.
>>340020019
You're literally the scum of the earth. Have fun being locked into shitty overpriced cards just so you can play GimpWorks games
>>340012578
The stock cooler on that thing matches my keyboard
Hopefully the 490x has the same design
>>340021995
Yeah no shit. Smartphones also tend to perform slower towards the end of their life (using the stock rom at least) because they don't have hardware optimized for the latest software. This does not mean Google or Apple are doing anything maliciously, it's just a limitation they have to deal with. If Nvidia was gimping their cards, you'd be seeing worse performance in the older games compared to on older drivers.
>>340022213
right which explains why they would gimp their own performance after paying to increase the performance.
it makes total sense anon, don't worry i believe you guys
i have some new information on trump that may cement whether or not he is a reptilian btw
>>340020387
Just a basic AMDrone.
Amd stands for always massive disappointment.
>>340015862
>my game is running at 24 fps but it's ok because i only paid x dollars per frame!
Poorfags ladies and gentlemen.
>>340022225
>Hurr durr nVidia is expensive!
It's still the objectively superior product. You literally cannot argue for AMD in any way or form without bringing up "muh fairness" , "muh gameworks", or "I'm too poor to buy nVidia"
>>340021884
>PS4 currently only has Bloodborne.
Here's another game.
>>340022282
It's funny you say it's ok for nvidia cards to perform slower at end of their lifetime when some similar AMD cards are performing better than their equivalent nvidia cards (7xxx series shitting on 600 on newer games) and better than newer cards (280 shitting on both 780 TI and some 900 series cards).
>>340021213
This shit is gonna get chocked as soon as you start using some AA or other post-processing, and 256bit of memory interface on a 2016 GPU is outright fucking ridiculous.
>>340022113
>nvidya tries to promote their new line of cards by adding features and effects to games that only their new cards excel at
>this has the side effect of ruining performance on their older line of cards
holy moley
>>340022220
Sorry, can't take you seriously when you mention Uncharted 4.
Sony bros switched from consoles to PC after PS2 to avoid cinematic experience shit like that.
>>340022409
>and 256bit of memory interface on a 2016 GPU is outright fucking ridiculous.
hello person #9 million who has to be informed that there are new image compression techniques as of a few years ago that made memory bus size requirements smaller
I've had my nVidia gtx 980 for about 10 months now, how long should I keep it before upgrading? I wasn't even considering upgrading until seeing all the buzz about this. I admit my purchase habits over the years line up with that of an nVidia fanboy but I don't actually feel much loyalty to them and am really just concerned with consistent reliability and performance.
>>340022402
>It's funny you say it's ok
Never did I ever say it was OK, I'm just disputing that Nvidia is acting maliciously. AMD clearly supports their older cards for longer. That is obviously a plus for AMD. If the gimping meme was true, then Nvidia cards would perform worse on the same games after recieving driver updates. That's just not happening (except for the occasional mishap that gets patched soon after because these drivers are coded by humans who make mistakes).
>>340022478
AMD cards have option to lower the tesselation effect on games (or even turn it off). To this date, nvidia cards don't have such feature on their control panel.
Is this just a too big of a coincidence?
>>340012578
Look at steam and check out how many people have the 970. About 80% of those people are going to upgrade to the 1070.
>>340022478
that's not the same thing as gimping anything though. that's called "progress"
one time i got a 32 bit processor, and my 16 bit windows 3.1 didnt run on it. can you believe that? i had to buy 32 bit windows NT, they gimped my processor!!!!!!!!!!
>>340022381
How the fuck is it a superior product? Are you guys braindead? Not only it has a higher price, gameworks are fucking everyone's game they also barely perform any better than amd cards.
Just look at the rx480
>>340022546
selling it now is kind of pointless, why would someone buy a used 980 when they can get a new 480 for $200?
The difference between a 980 and a 1070 or 1080 won't be worth the cost, especially considering how much you paid for your 980.
I think you should skip both the 1000 and 400 series, the 980 is still perfectly good.
>AMD's whole presentation for Polaris was "we're bringing console quality gaming to PC" (they said that over and over again)
>AMDoofuses are literally proud of overpriced console tier performance
LMAO just buy a used PS4 off ebay for the same price as just an AMD GPU.
>>340022593
the reason for this is because nvidia cards don't shit the bed doing tessellation
once again, when you pay more money you are paying for better engineering. concept is too hard to understand to a generation of people who only look at numbers, and never evaluated the grain of a wood in their life
>>340022724
>making shit up
>quoting nobody
>>340022636
>You literally cannot argue for AMD in any way or form without bringing up "muh fairness" , "muh gameworks", or "I'm too poor to buy nVidia"
>Literally mentions all 3 in his post
Fucking 10/10, priceless.
>>340022636
>gameworks are fucking everyone's game
Only people that complain about gameworks are AMD. Look what happened to Witcher 3, those AMD users complained about gameworks when they are trying to run a feature that is specifically design to run on nvidia cards.
>>340022725
>nvidia cards don't shit the bed doing tessellation
But it'd be nice to have the option to turn it down because it does impact performance and isn't very noticeable past a certain point.
t. fellow Nvidiot
>>340022714
>selling it now is kind of pointless,
lol you're a fucking retard if you think everyone sits around reading the newest video card news and making super informed decisions all day
i sold some shit ancient amd card on craigslist for $150 last week nigger
>>340022724
>consoles
>as powerful as a 980
good joke.
>>340022725
The tesselation effects drop performance on older nvidia cards more than newer cards, that's the real reason nvidia cards don't have option to tweak the tesselation from geforce panel.
>>340020961
The GTX 1070 is 256 bit aswell my friend. There are many newer optimizations which eliminate the need of a large bus.
Nvidia started it first by the way, before the Nvidia fanboys go crazy.
>>340022517
>Sony bros switched from consoles to PC after PS2 to avoid cinematic experience shit like that.
Right after you finished playing witcher 3, praising TLG and ''playing Bloodborne and Nioh.''
Uncharted 4 is cinematic as fuck but its beautiful and it doesn't hurt that a variety of games exist where you can play and appreciate games like that then go on and play extremely gameplay focused games straight afterwards. Gameplay focused games are obivously better other but it doesn't mean you can't have fun with cinematic games that are less focused.
BB, ratchet, gravity rush, gundam, Nioh, all gameplay focused games, doesnt hurt to play Uncharted 4 on the side
>>340022768
They actually did say that during their presentation, but I think they were alluding to how AMD is powering the PS4k and Xbox One.5. It makes sense, leaks put the PS4k at 4.1 teraflops while the rx 480 has 5.5 so a custom chip from AMD could easily be 4.1 teraflops.
>>340022851
no they don't. tessellation is handled intelligently by the driver, it's not going to tesselate to the point of killing performance, that's something that a *drumroll* AMD product would do
just keep coming with made up fantasy bullshit from every angle though, it was a good thread i had some good times laughing at these amd fiends and this one guy who was proselytizing with the youtube video
but now its getting old
>>340022056
Because Brand X being better by pushing a propriety shit while refusing to share it without costing a limbs.
Brand Y on the other hand are pushing for more open technology, and they are not in fact, almost perform better in all the tech they pushed (PureHair RotR, FreeSync).
Sure, retard would defend Brand Y to death, but its on a whole different matter when they are doing the same for Brand X
>>340022985
>Because Brand X being better by pushing a propriety shit while refusing to share it without costing a limbs.
Yet again, the "muh fairness" argument
Who gives a shit as long as the product is better?
>>340022985
>freesync
>performs better
yes, freesync syncs frames 1:1 with refresh better than gsync syncs frames 1:1 with refresh
>>340022714
Oh right, yeah selling the old GPU is an option, though you're right that it definitely doesn't sell for even close to what I got it for, that's just the nature of the pace of computer parts which is a good thing IMO. But my real question is how long is my 980 good for, before I should upgrade? By then, would it just make more sense to do another build?
>>340022892
>BB, ratchet, gravity rush, gundam, Nioh, all gameplay focused games
yeah, it will be great to play them on my PS4.5, cuck.
>>340022976
Tesselation can be anything from x8 to all the way to x64 , and unless there's option to change it in-game, you're pretty much fucked as an older nvidia card owner.
>>340023189
>But my real question is how long is my 980 good for, before I should upgrade?
years
>>340023090
And how exactly does this make the product better?
>>340022724
Raja was probably referring to the architecture of Polaris, which is clearly designed to tackle any optimization problem that arises in modern games such as GCN 1.1 and Tessellation effects for example.
So he was talking about console smoothness and consistency on PC.
>>340022792
no i'm pretty sure i have a 980 and complain about gameworks as well. i don't want x64 tessellated hair that rapes my framerate oh just slightly less than AMD cards.
the only time i've legitimately enjoyed a gamework feature was in alice madness returns, that's it. gameworks is a tool used to inflate nvidias performance. i could do without gameworks, and will. that's why i'm waiting for end vega.
>>340023260
Aight, so then yeah by the time it's no longer good I'm definitely gonna want to just do a fresh build anyway
>>340023249
>you're pretty much fucked as an older nvidia card owner.
that's strange, when i had my 560 ti until early this year i was playing most everything just fine, until the generational leap stuff like witcher 3
>>340023193
I want to see PS4 vs PS4K benchmarks with old games. It would be fucked up to see older games somehow magically get better FPS on the newer console.
>>340023189
as I said, I just don't think it's worth it yet.
The 480 will be the new mid-end and it's supposedly equal to your 980, so your card should keep you going for awhile yet.
The 1070 and 1080 are just a lot considering what you already invested in your 980, if you spent less on your last card or had it for longer it would make more sense to upgrade.
But considering this, I'd wait at least until nvidia and/or AMD's next batch of cards before making a decision.
Even if the 490/x is an incredible value, unless you really don't mind that you're not getting all the value out of your purchase I'd hold off.
>>340023341
That's because games like witcher 3 and fallout 4 are taking the bullshit to new levels when it comes to these tesselation and physx effects.
>>340023279
More support, better technology.
It's really that simple.
>>340014424
Not really; console wars are peasants fighting which crippled computer is better.
GPU wars don't exist, since each brand has a separate purpose. Intel for office use, nVIDIA for videogames, AMD for the cinematic console experience.
>>340023357
>It would be fucked up to see older games somehow magically get better FPS on the newer console.
it's a possibility, unless Sony locks that.
For example there are many PS4 games that fluctuate under 30fps, a more powerful machine running the same architecture should in theory iron out those fluctuations.
There's also precedent for it, for example the New 3DS runs older 3DS games better in some cases.
>>340014424
>How are card/cpu wars any different than console wars?
There are no morons who show up saying "well I bought all of them!!" to ruin the fun.
>>340023287
>console smoothness
>AMDrones have been trained to believe 24fps is smooth
>>340023408
no, it's because those games are generational leaps that are designed for new consoles, anon. of course they're not going to work well on my 560 ti
>>340023448
More like
>Nvidia for Videogames
>Nvidia for Rendering Work
>Intel for literally everything
>AMD for cheap, shitty bargain bin products
>>340023517
Play Wolfenstein on PS4 and then play it on PC.
>>340023532
It doesn't seem to work very well on 600 series or 700 series either, while AMD is now starting to get better performance out of those games too. Are 600 and 700 too old now for nvidia, whilst for AMD even the 7xxx and 2xx series get support?
>>340023371
Thanks for the info, despite me having been into building gaming PCs for a while I realize there are still some pretty basic things I don't know, like how long a GPU is good for. I feel better that my GPU isn't going to be irrelevant that fast
>>340023672
dude its over believe whatever you want man
>>340023724
the graphs show AMD cards of same generation getting better performance than nvidia cards of same generation on new games.
>>340023684
at the end of the day it's up to you, different people have different timelines for their upgrade schedule.
I typically ride out my card until I can no longer regularly get about 60fps medium at my native resolution in new games, but for some people they will want a new card every generation and for some people they will wait until their card is so old they literally can't launch new games anymore.
>>340014424
It's fucking pathetic to be honest, i dont even understand.
I get it when you are a teenager you want to believe that your console is better than the other's just because its yours. I honestly thought pc gamers were a bit more mature but this site has gone to the shitter for a long time i dont even know why im surprised to see some of the responses in this thread.
>people already buying 1080 and 1070 in droves
>not waiting for the 1080Ti and the 1060
AMD and Nvidia just have different target audiences, no need to be so hostile about it. If nothing else, competition is good for the consumer, and its a miracle that AMD is still holding on with a budget as small as it is.
>>340023636
I hope that zen is good, just so that Intel finally has some competion
>>340023890
>I honestly thought pc gamers were a bit more mature
I think you've forgotten that PCMR exists and has been growing.
>>340023957
Yeah even though I've always preferred nVidia I'm glad AMD is hanging on because nVidia or any company having a monopoly on GPUs would be fucking shitty and awful
>>340023951
The title of "来猜大核心啊" translates to "I'm guessing the next big chip". If you also noticed, the original thread from Chiphell is about 30 responses long and only 1 page.
This is absolutely nothing and the guy was guessing. Wait for more credible rumor.
>>340015691
it looks like a cheese grater, ugly as all fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5CA6KE6mSY
AMD confirmed kill?
>>340022389
Wow a remake.
>>340020653
So Nvidia use 64 ROPs because of the much more parallel architecture right?
I know you can't really compare the architectures directly because they work different but I was of the assumption that Nvidia made their architecture more similar to AMDs when they moved to Kepler and then made it more parallel with the move to Maxwell.
Wouldn't the number of ROPs and core frequency have a greater effect at lower resolutions? Doesn't DX11 put more strain on ROPs?
Vega and Zen soon, AMDfriends
>>340020613
Well it certainly costs more to re engineer things across 2 architectures
Fermi was heavily re-engineered into Kepler and Kepler was heavily re-engineered into Maxwell. That costs more money in engineering costs and driver optimization.
AMD saves a lot of work by staying with GCN for so long. AMD's driver support has been a lot better over the last few years
>>340024568
>Make an entire separate API
>meanwhile Nvidia just has to get developers to use Gameworks assets and AMD's already screwed
Mantle was retarded from the beginning
>>340023532
In defense of your GTX560Ti, the consoles don't run the Witcher 3 well either
The game is biased towards Maxwell and runs okay on Kepler after driver updates
>Literally same OP
>Every day
>Every week
>AMD shills aren't real guys!
How come it's always AMD shills being absolutely fucking desperate for attention while Nvidia bros simply buy reliable GPUs that actually have a driver support without shitposting how everyone should buy their fav card?
>>340025503
Sorry but performance says otherwise anon. It radically improved performance on older hardware.
My HD7950 and Phenom II x4 went from choppy to perfect performance in Battlefield 4
>>340025809
Nvidia threads:
>So is anyone buying the GTX 1080? Looks pretty cool, bros.
AMD threads:
>HAHAHAH RX 480 GETS 60FPS IN ASHES OF SINGULARITY NVIDIA IS DEAD MUH GAMEWORKS
>>340025809
AMD users tend to be more vocal because of Nvidia's users calling their stuff shit. I'm vocal because I've had great experiences with AMD and don't think they get the reputation they deserve
>>340026104
I'm biased towards AMD because of the BS representation of their products by clearly biased software
This is going to be a major upgrade over something like a gtx 670, right?
>>340025809
>it's a "the people i agree with are smart and composed and the ones i disagree with are all retarded and angry" episode
enough of that episode
>>340023951
The GTX 1080 has the exact same power target and throttling points as the 980ti.
If Nvidia actually launches a 1080ti then its going to be a 250w~ card.
>>340025136
Summit Ridge and the Zen core architecture will be detailed at HotChips on August 23. Actually IBM's new POWER9 arch is getting detailed the same day. Both presentations are back to back. Its going to be an amazing night.
>>340012760
980/1070 performance for 200 dollars. Stay mad.
>>340026104
They deserve much worse. Also:
>Nvidia owner makes a "Which 970/980 is your favourite"
>Butthurt AMD shill makes a thread 5 minutes later about some bullshit future AMD tech/gpu based purely on speculations.
>Has to include something like "NVIDIA SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH" in first post.
>Plays the victim when Nvidia fans call him out on his bullshit.
>>340026284
I'm not desperate enough to collect screencaps of shills on /v/ and OP is smart enough to use different picture/file name every time but I've seen those shill 480x threads for the last week in the very same format:
>RIP Nvidia/On suicide watch
>A picture of 480x in different sizes
>Always numbered as untitled-x
>Not a shill
Just fuck off and die in a ditch. No one cares about AMD except for bunch of dirty mining Slavs.
>>340026254
I'm not exactly sure. RX480 will have GTX 980 performance for 230usd, but I wonder if that's "good enough" for todays growing needs, with VR and 4k gaming making their way. Sure you could later add another RX480 and now it's basically a GTX 1080 for lower price, but I'm not sure if I want to have 2 graphics card on my machine.
I too have 670 GTX, and gather form what was said on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ5wYVu-tM8 , it seems the AMD RX490 would be better card (for 300 USD) but AMD hasn't announced it yet and will probably come out "too late", when the Nvidia 1070 should be only 80-100 usd more expensive (380 or 400 USD) and will be released sooner.
>AMD 490x barely competes with 1080, AMDiggers think they've won
>Nvidia then releases the 1080ti and absolutely wipes the fucking competition
>AMD desperately tries to compete by overclocking to housefire levels
Can't wait to see it happen
>>340026373
That's RX490, RX480 is not quite there yet.
>AMD
>Not even once
Seriously fuck AMD
The cards are really fucking shit and thier support for them is really bad. Not to mention newer games run like shit on them.
Also I wonder why they won't give out review copies and stuff. If they really wanted to compete with Nvidia and the 970 then they would be doing more and not hiding it.
Sounds too good to be true. Actual specs are probably going to be lower than that
>>340026254
What do you mean by major? Double the performance?
Some games almost double in others maybe only 25%-50%.
Its worth it for the vram increase alone
>>340014424
And?
>>340026706
>t. nvidia shill
>>340026673
The problem with 1080 (or Ti) is the price. I don't know what the USD price is supposed to be, but a major retailer in my country is selling it for 800-850 euros. That's a lot of moeny. It's true a single 1080 has advantage over single 480, but if what the data says is true, then 2x RX480 for lower price than single 1080 could provide better performance than single 1080 for lower price. The question remains whether I will be willing to put 2 gpu's on my machine, and what the AMD 500 series will look like?
>>340026625
Thanks. I was just doing some research. I have an ITX build so I'll be limited to one card. My 670 still runs everything that I play, on ultra at 1080p but I plan on upgrading monitors soon and I know future games may struggle a bit. I had to drop down the the godrays setting on fallout 4 but everything else is ultra and it's 30+ fps. 60 would be nice though.
Supposedly it's 980 level performance and if two can outperform one 1080, then I may see if I can track down a new mobo and rebuild my machine.
>>340026812
>What do you mean by major? Double the performance?
Yeah. I dunno. My 670 still runs everything on ultra but new games require me to drop a setting or two and settle for less than 60 fps at 1080p. I plan on replacing my monitor with a 4k one once they drop in price a bit more. I mean, $200 for double the vram, anywhere from 25-100% increase in performance, and less power sucked down seems like a major upgrade in my book.
>>340026254
>>340026812
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1594?vs=1494
The GTX 680 is like 8%~ faster than the 670.
The R9 390 might end up a little slower than the RX 480.
I'd say thats a pretty big upgrade.
>>340027052
>Needs 2 cards to compete with Nvidia
>Crossfire support in games are absolutely shit as fuck compared to Nvidia SLI
>That power consumption
I wouldn't do it.
£329 for the normal 1070 and even that blows AMD out of the water.
>>340026706
Completely garbage opinion
I may be biased towards AMD but my negative opinion of Nvidia is only based on high prices and creating biases in software. Other than that I think some of their GPUs are great.
>>340026625
>VR and 4k gaming making their way
>Literally no GPU in existence can run modern AAA games in 4k and 60 fps even on high settings.
>Having something like a 970 gtx puts you in top 10% on Steam
>Having a 4k gaming rig probably puts you in top 0.5%
>VR sets cost $600
>Making their way
VR is a fad and with those prices it will be as irrelevant as 3D/4K TV screens. 4K is still utter shit cause majority of games don't actually allow for 4k/8k texture modding so all you see on your 4k monitor are shitty upscaled 512x512 textures.
>People her considering 2x AMD cards
>Not knowing Crossfire support is garbage
Well enjoy games using your one card I guess and maybe just one game that can use it.
>>340027223
>>340027137
1070 will be good
>>340027223
TDP is not power consumption, and with one 6pin it should be obvious.
The RX 480 is a 100w card.
TDP is thermal design power. It is a rating how how much heat has to be removed from a chip to keep it operating within its optimal range. Logic density and self heating play a huge role in TDP, as does what temps a chip can sustain.
The moar you kno.
>>340027373
It better be for $400
>>340027441
>AMD fag comes out with another stupid gimmick
Right on cue
>>340018925
I'd also like an answer to this question, thanks you.
Why would anyone buy AMD they are 6 generations behind.
Nvidia are on the 1080
AMD have only just caught up to the 480.
Why would you want to live in the past.
>>340012578
Why would you ever wear a jacket with jeans.
This guy who I presume is pretty important for AMD dresses like a fucking tool.
>>340027596
Are you just shit posting are you really that fucking stupid?
>>340027704
Because 1080 costs like 800-850 euros where I live, and if RX480 miraculously ends up being less than 300 euros, it's true winner for me.
>>340027596
Stating empirical facts isn't a "gimmick."
If my 50w 100mm2 ASIC can operate at 100c I need to pull 40w away from the die.
If it can only operate at 50c then I need to pull away over 80w.
If that same die has its logic density increase enough without drive current lowering enough to offset self heating then I'll need to pull even more power away. I could end up with a chip that draws only 25w, but needs 100w worth of cooling.
That is how TDP works.
>>340027704
I didn't know AMD was still competing with the 8800GTX
My god these posts are retarded
As far as I can tell, Nvidia is not winning until 1070 is out, and it better fucking be 400 euros and not 550, or else that's just bs ripoff.
>>340027163
Thank you anon. I didn't even thing about comparing relative performance. It looks like a bigger upgrade than I anticipated.
>>340027373
1070 is a bit more than I want to spend. Supposedly, the performance of a rx480 is on par with the 1070. If that's true, I'd much rather the less expensive card. I'm not after max performance, really just better performance. A lot of my games already run at 4k 60fps using VSR (or whatever nvidia calls it)
>>340027668
770 is better than a 680 which is better than a 670 which I have and am weighing the options for. At best right now it looks like the answer is "probably" but we'll have to wait until closer to launch to know for sure. Definitely if power consumption is a concern though.
>>340028025
>Supposedly, the performance of a rx480 is on par with the 1070.
Not even AMD themselves is saying that.
1080 Ti > 1080 > 1070 > rx490 > rx480 > 980 > shit you have
/thread
I love it. This will force nvidia to lower the price on their card or people will just buy 2 480s and crossfire them for about the same performance as the 1080 but for cheaper.
>>340026254
Yeah over double the performance easily, + tons more vram and dx12 support
480 is probably going to be the go to card for 1080p/60fps max settings
>>340026691
480 is inbetween 980 and fury performance
1070 is a bit faster than 980 ti at stock speeds
>>340028025
I don't know what nonsense is being regurgitated around here, but the RX 480 is positioned as AMD's new entry level VR solution.
Entry level for VR was defined as Nvidia's GTX 970, and AMD's R9 390.
The RX 480 is going to end up like 40% slower than a GTX 1080, and the gap for the 1070 is only a bit smaller.
The 1080 and 1070 are Nvidia's high end. RX 480 is AMD's mid range.
>>340027137
For the price its a solid upgrade. Just remember to give the drivers time. They take longer to improve but AMD have done an outstanding job supporting their older GCN cards
They age like wine
>>340028286
>buy 2 480s and crossfire them for about the same performance as the 1080 but for cheaper
Only for dx12 and only for dx12 games coded to take advantage of multiple GPUs, like Ashes of the Singularity is. It's anyone's guess how long until most games are coded from the ground up like that.
>>340028025
No the rx480 is going to be around 25%~ slower than the 1070, but its also half the price so its a good deal imo.
rx480 = 980/390x+ performance
1070 = 980 ti+ performance
Guys, AMD is late in the game. RX480 will come 27 of June, while Nvidia 1070 will be out already on 10th of June. If the price holds 380usd, why wait for RX480?
>>340028480
Its June 29th, and volume on Nvidia's cards is extremely limited. Suppliers online have been talking about how its taking months just to get 500 in inventory. Thats the reason why 1080s are selling for $800-$1000 online still.
>>340028480
because 1070 is not in 480 price range and thus not a competition.
>>340028480
Because most sane, mature people can stand waiting a few weeks to save over a hundred bucks?
>>340028480
More like the reference "founders" edition will be out 10th of June for $450, over double the price of a 480 and will run at 85c
>>340028480
Late to the game? They release in the same damn month.
Go look at the GTX480 or GTX680 if you want to talk about being late to the game
>>340028415
I can easily get more opinions by saying something that is wrong than saying nothing at all. It's just discussion, m8. I know the 1070 is a faster card unless AMD is holding back something from the announcement. I just don't know how much faster a 1070 will be. Remember, neither card is out yet and no one has put the two head to head (or at least published the results).
>>340028465
1080 is comparable to 980 iirc. 980 ti is about the same as a 1080.
>>340028480
Because the gtx 1060 or gtx 1050 is the equivalent card to the RX 480. AMD is skipping putting out a card in the same price range as the 1070 this year.
>>340028776
There's literally a 100 dollar difference between RX480 and 1070
>>340028769
The 1070 is just a binned 1080, and they've already been reviewed. No mystery to be found on Nvidia's side.
>>340028776
I thought it was coming out by the end of the year
>>340016115
>>340016367
>>340017352
It is just so refreshing to see other level minded people here from time to time.
>>340028840
$200 vs $380? Can you do math?
>>340028840
There was more than a $100 difference between the 960 and 970 at launch. It's stupid to compare the 1070 to the 480, the 1060 is what you should be comparing the 480 to. But we don't know anything about the 1060 yet. Hell, it might not even exist. I very highly doubt that, but you never know.
>>340028776
Vega which was originally aimed at launching q1 2017 is launching October this year. AMD pushed it forward to better position against Nvidia's line up and give Summit Ridge systems a better value proposition.
>>340028769
>1080 is comparable to 980 iirc. 980 ti is about the same as a 1080.
Why talk about things you're clueless about? Both the 1070 and 1080 are better than the Titan which is similar to the 980ti.
The 1080 nearly reaches 60fps at 2160p for fuck's sake.
>>340028973
More rumors/leaks.
>>340012578
As a poorfag, this is a fucking blessing. At least I'll be able to play new titles fairly decently.
>>340028769
What? 1080 is 20-30% faster than a 980 ti.
Its 60% faster than a normal 980.
>>340028840
RX 480 = $200
GTX 1070 = $450
It's $250 difference.
>>340028961
proper rx480 costs 230-250, whatever the price will be
>>340029107
and a proper 1070 will be $400-450
cheapo plastic blower for $380 sure
>>340029069
>>340028978
I must be recalling older benchmarks. My apologies.
Regardless, neither card is out yet and there are no direct comparisons between the two.
>>340029069
>1080 cant even cap out 1080p to 144
What's the fucking point then?
>>340029223
but the difference is in performance, you get very very good performance with 1070, whilst with RX480 you basically get a cheap 980 (price wise) that wont age well when newer games will be released (because like other have been pointing out, SLI & Crossfire support is minimal in games).
>>340012578
>AMD
prepare for blackscreens, driver problems with every new game and such funny stuff
>>340029101
The 4gb rx 480 is $200, the 8gb is $230. And 8gb with proper cooling will probably be a bit more, like $250+. A 1070 that's the same amount over MSRP in order accommodate a better cooler is $400+. It's a $150 dollar difference if you make the most equivalent comparison, 8gb OEM card with non reference cooling.
>>340016340
Lmfao faggot.
Quartz cunt.
>Have an I5 4690k and 760
>tfw these new GPUs are making me want to build a brand new system.
>>340029327
>no direct comparisons between the two.
There are? 480 is near a 980ti and the 1070/1080 is even better.
1070/1080 is you want a high end card.
480 card if you want the equivalent to last year's high end card at a budget price.
All these cards really don't mean shit if we're keep getting garbage unoptimized ports.
>>340029428
>I5 4690k
>new system
why? you have amazing system as is just change your GPU.
>>340029428
Holy shit I need some sleep.
The 480 isn't comparable to the 980ti. It's comparable to the 750ti.
>>340029487
I want MORE.
>>340012578
Why haven't make an in one crossfire GPU?
Is a great bussiness for them sell GPU two times!!!
>>340029487
You apparently missed the part where he mentions that he has an 760.. that's pretty bad card by today's standards when AMD 290 are running circles even on 780 TI
>>340029327
Actually, your not far off.
An OC 980ti is really, really close to GTX1080.
>>340029428
>>tfw these new GPUs are making me want to build a brand new system.
Holy shit anon.
A fucking 2500k at 4.5 with 2133 ram is only like ten frames off a current i5.
And that's only in CPU heavy games.
A reference RX 480 is $200. Custom cooler ones will be $100.
>>340029568
>just change your GPU.
you apparently missed that part.
>>340029332
You'll be hard pressed to notice the difference between 130 fps and 144 fps. You can also turn down some very minor settings to achieve 144 fps in most games. If you want 144 fps at the highest settings possible, the 1080 is really the only card to consider *at the moment*.
>>340026373
Dude can you stop getting hyped about what Pajeet and Miyamoto Rethajacketu say about their cards? 1080 was supposed to perform as good as a 980ti in sli, no not only in vr, and it doesn't.
Don't expect AMD to tell you the truth, it won't perform as well as you think it will.
Stop shilling and await benchmarks from non-biased Jewtubers.
I'm getting the 1070 just for futureproofing.
Don't want to have to upgrade for another 4-5 years like I did with the 570.
>>340029658
This.
>>340029107
Proper GTX1070 costs $450
$230 vs $380 = $150 difference
That's 60% of the cost of a GTX1070 for the 8GB version
>>340029658
>570
How many houses did you lose to it?
>>340029761
None so far.
But that bitch was running at 90c with Witcher 3.
Even then I had to play at 766p low for 60fps.
>>340012578
>AMD telling you how good their product is
LOL, no.
>>340024725
>>340021884
hurr durr a remake therefore it does not count (Ratchet&Clank, Gravity Rush, The Last of Us, Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls, The Witch and Hundred Knight)
hurr durr a"cinematic" gametherefore it does not count (Uncharted 4)
hurr durr it's a weebshit therefore id does not count (Disgaea 5, Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth, SK Estival Versus)
hurr durr, I didn't like it therefore it does not count (The Order 1886, Injustice SS & FL, Killzone SF, DOAX3, ...)
when the fuck does this "PS4 only has Bloodborne" meme end. With every fucking release you people somehow find a reason for it not to count. I'm sure when P5, Nier, GD2. DQ, SO:I&F or any other PS4 game will be released you faggots will still find a reason for it to not count.
>>340029658
That might not be the best idea. This generation of Nvidia cards doesn't have true hardware async compute, what they have is sort of a weird inbetween that gets better performance than their last gen cards with async compute/dx12, but once they finally properly implement it, that will be the most future proof card for a few years. But the 1070 still is not a bad card by far, it'll definitely last a long time for 1080p/1440p gaming. I'm probably going to get one myself because I'm too impatient to wait for AMD's higher end offerings or Nvidia's next cards.
>>340029979
>it'll definitely last a long time for 1080p
I don't intend to go above 1080p for this computer.
I'm super not picky, 1080 at 60 is perfect for me. But I want that shit to work smoothly and max out for a few years.
Plus, the next gen is gonna be too much for my 2500k, so I'll just build a new one when the time comes.
>>340029358
The performance difference is 30-40%
The price difference is 90%
>>340030140
>I'm super not picky, 1080 at 60 is perfect for me. But I want that shit to work smoothly and max out for a few years.
>Plus, the next gen is gonna be too much for my 2500k, so I'll just build a new one when the time comes.
Good point, then I totally wouldn't be worried about getting a 1070 then.
Can't wait to buy two 2bh.
Nvidia shook as fuck.
>>340029952
>Nvidia telling you how good their product is
>>340029761
The 5xx is quite cold... if compared with the 4xx series.
"Regular operating temperature: 105c" is not funny at all.
>>340014424
We argue and get upset about videocards because we want all PC bros to have the best possible performace for price and because no matter which card you choose you're still better than consoles
repost if you agree senpai and your crush will twizzle your nizzle in 6 years time
>>340029956
Probably the "meme will end" when they release the PS4 slim for 250$
It is still too "early adopty" for most people, and PS3 is overall a much better deal if you don't have one.
I mean, PS4 don't even have a Gran Turismo yet.
>>340030204
Any sensible person wants the more memory RX480, so that's 230-250usd
That will set you to 980 benchmarks, whilst the 1070 will put you much higher than that, close to 980ti percormance. and 1070 will be 380-400usd
>>340015348
I finally got to play this game and I really don't understand what Sony fans see in it. I found Bloodborne a better demonstration of the PS4s worth than what I found to be a tremendously underwhelming game
>nvidia fags are actually mad that AMD again releases a much better card in the 200 price range
>nvidia fags would rather have Nvidia have total control over the market
>>340014765
It looks fucking great
What are you smoking? This is pretty much exactly how I want my garphics cards to look.
>>340030731
is that frog holding a nokia 6630?
>>340030731
They're the macfags of the mustard race.
>>340030486
DELETE THIS
>>340015334
daily reminder that obama is destroying the electrical college and this will have a severe impact
>TFW Nvidia is better with DX11 than AMD
>TFW despite DX12 advantages, only a braindead person would migrate to W10
>>340012578
this looks like a second coming of 4870, nVidiots BTFO!
>>340030847
Come on, its not so bad, it's either an reality show villain, a terminator or a literal communist.
>>340030959
AMD is probably better with vulkan as well for obvious reasons, and this API is getting quite quickly adopted but not for the reasons you expect.
You can have vulkan on android, and you can use it to render the "Window manager", and doing so saves quite a bit of battery life, so around 2018 pretty much all android phones will be using vulkan to give the extra free edge in battery life.
And as this will make it widely available, phone game devs will also use it instead of Open GL ES, because its just as bad, but faster and probably better supported.
guys my 660ti is at the end of it's usefulness and I have ~275$ to spend on a new GPU so what do you all recommend?
I'd read through thread but it's long as fuck. Saw something about '480.'
>>340030959
>what is vulkan
>why is nvidia holding back Vulkan for DOOM
>>340031158
It's the AMD 480, to not be confused with the Nvidia 480.
Cheap, fast.
You will notice that the nvidia 480 is cheaper, but it is actually slower than your videocard but you will not get to notice it because you will be too busy getting your fire extinguisher in vain.
>>340017282
>cooking dinner for my brother at his house
>havent seen him since he left the state due to a drug debt, something he amassed despite borrowing thousands from the family and myself
>his life is still a mess he lives in a shithole
>take a pot thats been on the electric fucking stove and place on the counter for an instant
>had stainless counter tops for years myself, parents had the same, even my grandparents had stone bench tops when they were alive
>Brothers top is vinyl or plastic painted silver to look semi metalic
>it explodes beneath the pot leaving a huge hole like a small explosion has gone off underneath
>what the actual fuck
>brother wants it fixed, the entire top has to be replaced
>such a thing no longer exists he cant find anyone who even has the materials anymore
And thats why we dont talk anymore, hopefully he's dead
>>340031158
Radeon RX 480. 8GB version is going to be $230, launches June 29.
Will this be PS4K's GPU component (some variation of it) ? The price/specs kind of match a $400 console.
>>340021884
>PS4 currently only has Bloodborne.
Weird, this year alone I got 7 new releases not available on PC (I'm not counting Salt&Sanc which got released at the perfect time on PS4 before DaS3 nor am I counting fun demos like NioH) and will get 4 more this very month.
On PC I only got Dragon'sDogma and Xcom2 thus far. Your blatant shitposting is pretty obvious.
Once 2016 ends you will STILL be dismissing all the new bigger releases in one way or another. You got to find a time to stop your denialism, anon. It's not healthy.
This won't kill Nvidia but it will give AMD some serious leverage this generation, considering
>Tons of people still run on toasters and this is a fantastic upgrade
>VR will give incentive for casuals to buy "VR Ready" prebuilts
>This tech could be used on the upcoming rumored PS4/Xbone upgrades
>>340031607
>ill this be PS4K's GPU component (some variation of it) ? The price/specs kind of match a $400 console.
I would highly, highly doubt it. Nice to have some faith though, anything is possible until they say no.
>>340031607
They're probably sticking with whatever the PS4 use, but adding more shader units, otherwise that would break the retro-compatibility with the regular PS4 games.
>>340020839
it started well before witcher 3 even launched
wtf are you smoking
>>340030807
t. rooting for Apple's former employees in AMD (the head of the Radeon group is from Apple)
