Since Overwatch is so good, how could you possibly expect Blizzard to fuck up Legion?
By it being WoW.
>>339992171
/thread
>>339992089
kys faggot, we don't want legion, we want legacy servers. Haven't played WoW since after WotlK ended, won't return unless I get Vanilla servers, now get cancer.
>>339992089
Because of a historical account of 4 shit expansions that introduced more and more things that killed the game.
Nearly a decade of failure is behind the team making this.
>>339992527
>4 shit expansions
But Mists of Pandaria was the best expansion. WoD is the worst easily, Cataclysm was fine and if you are seriously implying WotLK was bad you've got brain issues.
there is maybe a 3% chance of this expansion being any good at all, anyone still paying for this shit after WoD should get a cat scan
>>339992797
You say MoP is good and I have brain issues?
WTLK regurgitated content like nothing else, given precedent to the absolute shittiest Raids in the game, introduced automatic cross server grouping which essentially killed the best part of the game.
You may like "parts" of an expansion - but that does not unmake all the terrible dogshit it has done.
>>339992797
>Wrath wasnt bad
delusional. look at all the absolute shit it brought into the game
>>339992089
What MMO has the best PvP right now?
I dont think WoW's PvP is going to be too entertaining.
I hated Gw2 because NeoAnet is shit.
Came from Rift. Enjoyed it, Jews took over.
Aion was fun, but I was too far behind to play catch up.
Wildstar was fun, but it was dead.
FFXIV was unbearable.
Really want some open world pvp that wont require too many buttons. And wont have me playing catch up for ten months before I can eve start getting a fucking grasp on my class. But it feels like there is nothing.
>>339992089
Overwatch is good, nothing spectacular. The WoW team is completely different to the Overwatch team.
Legion is going to huff chodes like WoD.
>>339993005
your opinion is invalid. wotlk was still the golden era.
i only played for half of wrath, and there were some things i liked (wintergrasp was probably my favorite thing about the expansion)
but while it was okay itself, it began introducing the cancer features that would eventually take over the game
>>339992952
MoP had the best raids since Ulduar, the best PvP, introduced the best class, had the best overworld, Isle of Thunder was the most competently handled patch ever, had reasons to go out into the world and fight other players that were weighed with enough benefit that just AFK queuing for raids wasn't all you could do and the only thing that was close to bad were the dungeons.
>>339993005
It didn't introduce anything bad except for the Trial of the Crusader. Then again you're probably one of those retards that thinks sitting AFK in Org going PLZ 1 TANK and getting summed by a Warlock is any different than having to make a group and teleporting to a raid.
>>339993143
no it wasnt
>rehash a whole tier
>meme knights
>welfare tier in Dalaran
>babymode 10m
>LFD
>homogenization
its neo-wow, Wrathbaby
>>339993143
>Wotlk
>Golden era
Fuck off Wrathbabby you don't know shit.
From the Nixxiom videos I've seen, i think Legion looks pretty good.
>>339993331
>homogenization
Fixing awful problems like Warlock DoTs and rogues isn't homogenization grandpa.
>babymode 10m
Which was literally more difficult than anything in Vanilla because they had mechanics that weren't just "don't stand in fart gas".
>LFD
Literally nothing wrong with LFD considering you could still walk to dungeons. If you chose to use LFD you're capitulating that it was simply a better alternative.
>>339993490
It looks pretty good for some classes but shit tier for others.
>>339993243
Yeah,
>everyone gets a legendary
>please do dailies all day every day
Cherry pick anon, you obviously were subbed all the way through and simply couldn't see the forest for the trees.
>>339993530
>nothing wrong with LFD
opinion discarded Wrathbaby
>>339993490
everything said the same thing about WOD.
gotta let time pass after release anon. it takes time for the truth to be known.
>>339993530
>Fixing awful problems like Warlock DoTs and rogues isn't homogenization grandpa.
this is actually how blizz destroyed wow, by eliminating features such as "gameplay" while describing it as "streamlining"
>hating wrath despite it being the statistically best expansion
Just admit you only want to hate it so you can feel like an "original" wow player.
>wrath of the old gods is good
>overwatch is good
>implying Legion won't be good too.
>>339993557
>everyone gets a legendary
That you have to work for, literally no different than any other point in the game.
>please do dailies all day every day
>please play the game
Wow what a bunch of Nazis, making people play the game.
>>339993608
Vanillacuck can't form an argument, big surprise.
>>339993629
Yeah, by making rogues less than the end all be all and letting Warlocks conduct themselves in a raid.
>>339992089
If you are started after Cataclysm you will probably enjoy the new expansion.
Most people just have crazy nostalgia googles when it comest to WoW.
I still know back when Frozen Throne came out how many people shit on normal WoW.
Enjoy it if you can, don't listen to /v/.
>>339993718
and i guess you think "let's dance" is the best bowie song because it was the most commercially successful one?
>>339993718
>Argumentum ad populum
Wrathbabbies really are fucking retarded.
>>339993740
>That you have to work for, literally no different than any other point in the game.
It is absolutely difference.
Legendary was a RARITY at some point anon, not a color.
>dailies = game
Yeah, found the problem, bet you are subbed even today.
>>339993831
>>339993802
Why didn't you quit during wrath then.
>>339993725
>These games all made by different teams will all have the same quality
That's like saying Legion is going to be good because the latest CoD is good.
They can't undo the major design decisions from past expansions. World of Warcraft has become rotten at the core.
>>339993880
None of the things you're bitching about were common.
>playing the game = game
Yes.
>bet you are subbed even today
No, WoD is awful. I'm playing the Legion Beta though.
>>339993921
i stopped playing wrath after a couple months, my friends all pulled me back in for cata, which i quit in a couple of months, same for panda and WoD. the last expansion i played through was TBC
>>339994008
Dailies are not "playing an mmo", only for shitters who joined the game in WTLK like you obviously did.
>tfw you have friends who keep buying every expansion every time they come out
It's so sad. It's like watching addicts destroy themselves but you can't do anything to help them.
>>339992089
Jay Wilson
>>339994129
>playing the game isn't playing the game
Why?
>who joined the game in WoTLK
I joined during 1.9.0.
>>339992797
The games core hasn't changed since wotlk.
>You hit max level,
>you faceroll dungeons for starter welfare gear, >you either log on a few hour to receive your timed gated welfare epics
OR
> log on at raid night.
>spend the rest of your time bored because there is no way to increase your characters progression outside of time gated welfare epics and the current raid tier
>>339994259
You joined after WTLK, the fact that you need me to explain the reasoning is proof enough - you never played the game when dailies didn't exist.
.
>>339994163
>he's having fun
>you're shitposting in a mongoloian basket-weaving forum
Is sad really.
Where my fellow blizzdrones at?
>>339994339
I guess I should be jealous of a retarded person that spends all day every day hitting a rock with a stick and laughing to himself because he's having fun.
>>339994218
oh christ i didnt even realize he was working on this, well that pretty much means 0% chance of being good. i dont love diablo 3 RoS but diablo 3 vanilla was basically as bad as it could be
>>339994271
As opposed to running the same tier endless times because of linear progression?
>>339994330
>You joined after WTLK
1.9.0 wasn't Wrath of the Lich King, Nost baby.
>>339994339
>having fun in WOD
terminal brain tumor probably
>>339994394
>>339994416
I was expecting meme posts.
>>339992304
>we we we
kys faggot I want world of memecraft to die. Ruined all new mmos with its creation
>>339994408
I just don't believe you, you stupid shit
Aren't there some garrison quests to "play" in Legion right now?
Why don't you go "play the game", blizzdrone.
>>339992171
/thread
>>339994539
>aren't there some garrison quests to "play" in Legion right now?
No, because there aren't garrisons in Legion. There are testing for World Quests, the record number of launch dungeons, artifact talents and raid simulations, though. Having fun on Nost-- oh wait, lol!
how anyone could subscribe to this after WoD, i cannot understand at all. you dont HAVE to try it just because it's WoW, there are other games
>>339994703
>record number of launch dungeons
please put more effort into your bait
>>339994789
It's objectively true.
>>339994408
So having a single raid be relevant is better than multiple raids being relevant?
>>339994874
What? When you grinded one tier down out of necessity due to the linearity of progression, you had zero reasons to go back to old raids except for mats. Did you even play Vanilla?
Because WoW has been bad for many many years and many many expansion packs. And this looks to be bad as well.
>>339994846
no its objectively not.
TBC launched with 15 instances, Legion does not have that many
I'm in Legion beta and it's already very apparent they are half assing shit.
Literally the max level content is "go do a bunch of quests to level your artifact weapon"
I mean you are now farming Artifact Points instead of Apexis crystals. You are mostly still filling a bar of just grind for 10 minutes.
All in all the only things it has going for it is A: Broken isles from Warcraft 3. B: Burning Legion.
Don't forget WoD was literally 18+ months of no content and what content we got was shit.
ITT: idiots who think they understand business better than blizzard.
I hope that now with Overwatch being finished after all that resource allocation to the failed MMO project Titan WoW can start receiving more support.
But realistically there's no real point for Blizzard to continuously dump more time and money into a 12 year old game. It's still wildly popular, but everybody probably wants to work on new interesting projects instead.
>>339993243
>It didn't introduce anything bad except for the Trial of the Crusader.
BoA's
>>339995203
>Don't forget WoD was literally 18+ months of no content and what content we got was shit.
how quickly you all forget about the selfie camera
>Literally only subbed to WoD to do Garrisons on 10 level 100s
this is how far WoW has fallen.
>>339992089
the last expansion they turned into world of farmville, so to believe the next one would be any good you'd have to be pretty naive
>>339992089
Not the same people or game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7LnqprAaxQ
I don't know, looks pretty fun familia.
>>339995203
>I don't like the content provided so it doesn't exist!
>>339995203
Man Legion at launch looks like it has more content than all of WoD has had.
You have a whole damn zone dedicated to max level/lore straight from launch.
>>339993718
Alternatively, WotLK is where the game plateau'd, enjoying none of the excellent subscriber growth experienced during Vanilla or BC.
>>339995015
Rag and majodomo had loot which was better/par with the first few bosses from BWL.
Chromagus and Nefarian had loot that was BiS and was on average better than gear from AQ40 until twin emps.
Twin emps, ouro and c'thun still had gear better than the first few bosses in Nax.
This is especially true for Rag, Nef and C'thun.
Just because you had BWL on farm, did not mean MC was redundant.
>>339995571
>Selfie camera
>Tanaan Jungle
>content
lmao
>>339995363
Catch up on old content you missed. That's what I'm doing.
>>339995712
where is that
>>339992089
by killing the expansion in less than a year
starting with the "convenience" features added in wotlk, the game felt less and less like an mmo. now you dungeon find into random LFR groups, no one knows who anyone on their own server is, any sense of community in the game is completely gone, which was always a draw in MMOs for me, and i doubt they have reversed any of this with legion
>no good MMO to play
>WoW is all there is left
I just want to play a different MMO besides WoW that isn't dead.
>>339993085
Have you tried blade and souls? Requires a ton of pve grinding to be on equal footing though.
>>339995808
By 18 months of no content he means after 6.2 retard
>>339995797
Kun-Lai Summit I believe
>>339995894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm-Bj79VKRg
come home
>>339992089
>Overwatch
>good
>>339995894
XIV is okay. I go back to it every now and then.
>>339996031
I haven't played Runescape since 2007, I didn't even return for the old school stuff. I let her go long ago. 2003-2007 rip.
>>339995653
>raids
>mount faming
>pet battles
>dalies
>reps
>dungeons
>challenge modes
>transmog hunting
>pvp
>acheivements of all sorts
Not my fault you're a moron and doesn't want to do the content provided. Should of been more but likely you're one of the idiots who stayed in the garrison 24/7 and cried instead of going out to play the game.
>>I don't like the content provided so it doesn't exist!
still holds true.
>>339992089
Different teams
People are sick of WoW in general
It's pretty much impossible for it to go right.
>>339993880
>Legendary was a RARITY at some point anon, not a color.
You say that as though the legendary quests are easy and every LFR babby can do them. They take months of grinding, which is alread enough to deter casuals and children. They also take actual effort, and if you want to get them before the month of the next expansion then you can't do them in LFR or pugs either.
They're the same thing as Shadowmourne or Thunderfury, except every dedicated raider gets one instead of the only the guildmaster's girlfriend. If you ask me, their biggest problem is they're not accessible enough. The quests are tedious as fuck and the legendaries themselves are always super boring. Who wants to spend months grinding old raids so they can collect their 40 ogre vibrators and 15 orc dildos just so they can get +150 int and an obnoxious visual effect that ruins your mog?
>>339996117
>defends WoD, the worst expansion
lmao
>>339996117
So exciting.
>>339995894
FFXIV is pretty good. I wish it was more like XI but it's the best we got right now.
>>339996117
but to want to do that repetitive, often old content, in a generic mmo where random people phase in and out of your easy dungeons, youd have to be a dullard
>>339992089
Because wow is stale as fuck and boring on principle now. It doesn't matter what they do, the best days of the game are a thing of the past.
>>339992089
WoW devteam != Overwatch devteam
WoW's devteam is by far the worst at Blizzard. The talented devs moved on to work on other games.
>yfw tos turned out to be utter shit
>>339996231
Cataclysm was definitely worse than WoD
Of all the new zones only ONE was good
Of all the new raids and dungeons none were good
YOU GET AN ASHBRINGER AND YOU GET AN ASHBRINGER
EVERYONE GETS AN ASHBRINGER
>>339993530
>Fixing Warlock DoTs
Whatever you say, man.
>>339996031
even with OSRS, trading is dead with the GE. Even world 1 and 2 have absolutely no people trading in varrock, fally, or camelot. Of course anyone who played before they released the GE in oldschool is happy because going through zybez to find trades or standing still for hours was god awful
>>339996117
Every game technically has infinite content if you consider starting at a wall content. The problem with staring at a wall is that it's fucking boring and nobody wants has a reason to do it.
>>339996407
Are you seriously implying that Warlocks were better when only one Warlock in a raid could put a DoT on a mob?
>>339996367
>Cataclysm was definitely worse than WoD
jesus christ the opinions on this board get more retarded by the day
>>339996441
>King of Stormwind dies
>Voljin dies
>Thrall dies
>Tirion dies
Guldan won.
>>339996535
Clearly you didn't play Cataclysm then
>>339992089
Overwatch is pretty hard to fuck up, it just needed memorable characters and to be "fun". As for WoW, people have expectations that will never be reached because the game will never be as good as it was.
>>339996430
>even with OSRS, trading is dead with the GE
yea..
>>339996643
I've played every expansion thoroughly. Cataclysm was amazing in comparison to WoD.
>Horde Paladin
>forced to be a fat cow because no way am I being a blood elf
>can't be forsaken paladin
it hurts man
I think that it would be really easy for them to make new expansions people enjoyed if they hadn't slowly choked the social aspect of the game to death. After all, isn't that the whole reason anyone ever wanted to play an MMO?
>mfw every class level 100
>legion launches
>no idea what to level first
only I have this problem
>>339996856
That is not what being forced means.
>>339997012
i meant I had tauren and blood elf but hate tauren less.
>>339997168
>disliking tauren
shit taste
honestly I can't tell any more, I started off skeptical, then went to "oh it's gonna be good" then back to skeptical again
The way they're treating changing talents at the moment on the beta makes me doubt their vision, they're clearly making a compromise I just don't know where or why
>>339996839
You're kidding
I can't name a single positive aspect to Cataclysm except Vash'jir.
Cataclysm brought in the casual changes to health and mana regeneration.
Cataclysm brought in a major overhaul to the class abilities which made every class feel the same.
Cataclysm introduced flying mounts into Azeroth and you could fly around below max level.
Cataclysm made leveling so easy you could one shot everything when you got your level 10 core ability.
Cataclysm introduced LFR which has forever left a dark mark on raid design.
Cataclysm dumbed down quests to the most trivial form, including for its revamp to Vanilla zones.
Cataclysm made all of the Vanilla zones worse by robbing them of their identity and even changing the music.
Cataclysm shoved Thrall and Aggra into your face to the point where players wanted him dead.
Cataclysm ended with Dragon Soul, probably the worst raid in the entire game.
Cataclysm had the most boring daily quests imaginable all contained on an island everyone wanted to forget.
It was an absolute shitfest. Warlords of Draenor is also a shitfest but at least it didn't go and rape the soul of the earlier zones.
>>339992089
i actually have faith in legion, if they pull a WoD with it im quitting wow for good thuogh
overwatch was shit, fuck you and fuck your meme game, skill ceiling is lower than the tick rate in overwatch
played a few hours
mastered the shit game
quit
>>339997207
Not them but many armor sets look like trash on Tauren.
>>339996856
BEs are pretty cool if you look at them in terms of lore and as a race. I made a mage one once and he ended up my main till the account got hacked.
>>339997624
All of those things still existed or were further exacerbated in WoD. I'll agree that WotLK->Cata was the biggest drop in quality the game has seen, but on their own, WoD was objectively worse than Cata was.
>>339997624
>Dragon Soul, probably the worst raid in the entire game
but anon, that's not Firelands, the raid that was so tedious that it managed to simultaneously make me realize that I was addicted to WoW, while being boring enough for me to quit regardless
I'll admit I never did dragon soul while it was current content but I cannot imagine it being any worse than firelands, especially after comparing the two while grossly over leveled
one of my favorite memories in WoW was an early pickup group for TK that was run by some high level guild who didnt make his guilds weekly run.
this was before armory, and me and my friend lied about our gear to get into the group and just hoped no one would inspect us, as we were mostly blues
we ended up killing one boss, and overall it was a disaster, but it was a lot of fun. if the game can ever provide another experience like this i will resub
World of Warcraft died with Arthas.
World of Warcraft was originally made to show W3 in a different engine, and they succeded up to the end of Arthas, after that the developers lost touch with all the Nostalgia people and the game lost it's reason to continue. They could've continued to milk ICC for an extra few months and no main guild would quit, with all the main raiding guilds moving on, there won't be much room for "Hardcore" raiders in Legion, meaning we'll likely be seeing nerfs in Hardcore so more people can see the "Content."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86f_U_q4SFg
>>339996586
>good
>good
>good(well, not from a lore standpoint, but Thrall wasn't very effective in his goals anyway)
>bad
I don't see the problem. It sucks that Tirion dies, but Varian and Vol'jin being dead mean that there's actually a shot at peace between the Alliance and Horde now. If Anduin and Baine take their places then peace is effectively guaranteed eventually. They're close friends and have both been built up to some great destiny.
What little lore Baine has shows that he's destined to become a great leader and cements a very close friendship between him and Anduin.
Meanwhile Anduin is The Chosen One, and is effectively the naaru's endgame plan, plus he's been very vocal about pushing for peace between the Horde and Alliance.
This is yet another chance to pull the drastic plot twist they hinted at and pussied out of back in MoP.
Thrall being dead is great news too since everyone hates him except Metzen. I almost feel bad for the guy because of how much hate his favorite character gets.
>>339999148
The guy made up Thrall dying also big spoilersthey bring back Tirion as one of the Four Horsemen.
>>339996031
God damn it why did I click that link. My fucking nostalgia goggles are on too tightly. Every time I go back it's not the same. OSRS doesn't go back far enough.. I just..
>>339995894
Gonna have to agree with the other two shills here anon, the new xiv patch is looking god damn dope, but then again they have a good way about making their trailers full of hype
https://youtu.be/EPmeKA5-03M
>>339996005
looks dank
wish I played mop
>>339999876
Weeird. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
I was never too fond of Tirion anyway. I thought it was retarded that a paladin from the second war was so keen on peace with the orcs, and aside from his awesome voice he always struck me as bland and insincere as a character.
>>340000150
Its not dope. Im playing but this is literally every single patch trailer. A big boss trial, main characters saying shit like "I cant give up now..they need me..", two dungeons, some pets/hairs, and maybe beast tribe stuff.
>>339998336
>WoD was objectively worse than Cata was.
You won't tell me how it is though. It has better raids, dungeons and zones than Cataclysm
It probably has less content than Cataclysm but I'd be surprised if it was much less
>>340000454
MOP was comfy as fuck.
The storyline was a bit cliche (an ancient evil has awakened!), but the zones, the music, the questline characters were all pretty great.
>>339996117
raid*
>>340000669
This. It's not worth the wait at all and the whole story is just subscription baiting with pointless shit that won't actually matter.
I can't be assed to keep playing just because I'll lose my house if I stop. I just don't care anymore.
>>340001101
>>339999999
>>339993085
I can't help, but I'm hopeful for crowfall, camelot unchained - possibly albion online, das tal, gloria victis, life is feudal.
Most or all of those could turn out to be awful and are all in the future.
Definitely avoid archeage or black desert. Archeage specifically had so much fucking potential but it's purely for whales and idiots now. BDO will seem fun at first (assuming you can tolerate korean shit) but at max the real grind begins and you will literally need to nolife to compete. Which would seem to be the opposite of what you want. However, when you mention pvp, someone will say BDO. BE AWARE. Also p2w, just not as blatant as archeage but definitely still there.
>>340000773
More raids, more dungeons, content was more difficult, less homogenized and deeper classes, Tol Barad >>>>> Trashran, and a few more.
I was cautiously optimistic for Legion. I don't like the pruning but still liked them changing up the classes a bit (survival, outlaw, etc). Artifact weapons are fucking stupid but i can deal with that.
However, on the pvp front, they are looking like they learned fuckall from WoD. WoD beta had pages and pages of feedback regarding broken classes and were ignored. Ashran had negative feedback yet they only doubled down on it. It took literally a year to "fix" it, basically making it a lootbox catchup machine - which is fine and works but not fun at all.
The same negative feedback on pvp is being ignored. Hundreds of dev posts for class issues, encounters, raids, dungeons. Zero in the pvp forum.
WoD had the lowest amount of active players in arena or rbgs, legion won't be an improvement. It's really too bad. Even after their number tuning, without substantial mechanics changes (very fucking unlikely this close to prepatch) you can all look forward to triple blood in 3s.
>>339999148
He's either lying or flat wrong about almost everything he said. Thrall is alive, but since murdering Garrosh cannot communicate with the elements, Tirion dies, but comes back as a part of the new 4 horsemen, Vol'jin is off on some secret mission (likely uniting the Troll tribes), and Varien is dead. Though I wouldn't be shocked to see the Banshee Queen resurrect him as an undead
>>340001849
>Tirion dies, but comes back as a part of the new 4 horsemen
negative. The dks try to grab his body but the paladins wreck them.
WoW will never be good again because the only fanbase left after the mass exodus from WoDs subscriber boom are mentally ill people that enjoy LFR and other stupid bullshit "features" that killed anything interesting about the game, and will complain endlessly about any positive changes made the game. it's doomed to fail
>>340002176
the huge WoD subscriber boom was quite interesting, as it showed that people are still willing to play the game, but think it sucks ass, but blizzard will do nothing to address this because it would involve the WoW team, now headed by Jay Wilson, to admit that they were wrong with the changes they've made
