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Exclusive interview with Miyazaki regarding poise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWOuLjU_M2Y
>>337730670
it works as intended shut it
ebin memes
keep on walking into my hyper armor shitter
>>337731160
how the fuck do you counter a shitter with a greatshield and a dragonslayer greataxe.
>>337731357
you stop playing at sl 150 where thats possible without heavy disadvantages
>>337731485
I was asking how to counter him faggot, especially with a weapon like Exiled Greatsword. The guy just block everything and if you keep hitting him, he just circles around and backstabs you. His hyperarmor allows him to trade hits and he hits like a truck.
>>337731670
and I told you that if you overlevel yourself you're going to get fucked over by people who play with greatshields because fun is a foreign concept
>>337731973
135 here, the only reason I am at this level is because I want to be able to wear something differenet than 5 gram cloth.
>>337730670
Currently hypothesis is that poise affects your rolling iframes. As you get hit the number of rolling iframes decreases for your next roll, higher poise will decrease how many iframes you lose per hit and how fast they regenerate when not being hit.
>>337732582
Or it has been proven that poise is literally turned off. Back to plebbit with your experiments.
>>337730670
why is fromsoft lying?
>get hit
>get hit again because can't move lolrolfmao
4 gankers vs 20 dogs who win
>>337732479
>I want to be able to wear something differenet than 5 gram cloth.
Why? there isn't much difference between 10% and 20% absorption and if you feel like there is you can alway equip the steel protection ring.
If you just want fashion 20 vit and havel's ring can wear full Gundyr armor and a greatsword. 25vig/20vit/40/40 keeps you well below lvl100, I'm honestly having trouble what you put your stats if you're lvl 135 and having trouble.
>>337733189
My stats are fine, just my vit is like 30 or something, and endurance is 40.
>>337733189
>25vig/20vit/40/40
>enjoy never ever swinging your weapon twice because you dont have enough stamina
inbred build
>>337732726
The old style of poise was turned off.
>>337732961
That description fits with the current understanding of poise.
I'm not trying to defend nu-poise. I think the new mechanic is shit.
>>337730670
Is it going to be that fat mexican laughing guy?
>people unironically want das1's poise system back
>>337733528
>nu-poise
the correct term is no-poise
there isnt poise
>>337733636
i want ds2 poise
>>337733636
It was more balanced than what we have in DaS3, where literally only light load fast weapon R1 spam viability.
>>337730670
>heavy armor working as intended
>estocs are only beating scrubs
>heavy weapons have never been more viable
We've had this discussion a million times. Buffing poise means estoc wielding full havel faggots that will NOT be staggered ever and just R1 spam you to death.
At least now you can stunlock them back by not being a fucking retard.
Which claws are best? Also why did they put the cooler ones towards the end of the game?
>>337733636
I'd rather have DaS poise without toggling then this shit. Toggling is what broke poise in DaS it made it completely useless.
>>337732479
>playing at SL130
>why do I keep getting rekt by people who wear heavy shields and weapons? ;_;
Jesus son. You did this to yourself. Make a new char and stick around level 80-90.
>>337730670
thanks reddit, was quite funny though
>>337733824
>full havel estoc flipping
>"more balanced"
Why do I get the feeling that more and more DaS babbies have never actually played DaS?
>>337733824
>It was more balanced than what we have in DaS3
m8 do you really not remember circle strafing hornet stabbers? it was fucking awful pvp
>>337733451
the 40/40 were unlabeled as I was just suggesting you could soft cap two stats or mix if you wanted. 10-15 endurance + Ring of Favor gives you more than enough stamina for effective attacking and dodging.
Level 80 is pretty much the ideal level for whatever playstyle you want without becoming a jack-of-all-trades type.
>>337733636
It was fine in 2, now you get stun locked to death by dogs and daggers.
Dammit I can't concentrate because I understand what he is saying but the subtitles obviously are not what he is saying, I think I have relied too much on reading subtitles.
>>337732582
Literal perfection, holy shit!
>>337734203
>>337733915
>>337733636
YOU FUCKING NIGGERS, IT'S EITHER DS1 POISE OR NO POISE FOR YOU FAGGOTS, NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. WHAT ABOUT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POISE SYSTEM YOU UNIMAGINATIVE KEKS?
>>337731670
Horsehoof ring + shield break weapon art (Claymore is good)
Breaks guards in 1 hit unless they have over ~175 stamina
>>337730670
I only speak a bit of spanish but I think the translation is way off.
>>337734339
Fake tits, so no
>>337734423
>you literally need a specific build to counter it
yeah, good shit bro
>mfw straight sword shitters keep running into my zweihander swings because they think they can just run up and R1 spam me
Yeah I'm honestly not that worried about the poise change.
>>337734551
claymore is a good fun all around weapon anyways
>>337734551
>a specific build needs a specific build to counter it
Oh woe is me
Also, you could git gud. That'd do the job just as well.
>>337734496
They don't look fake to me. It looks like she's wearing a nice bra.
>>337733915
>We've had this discussion a million times and because of that my point of view is right and yours is shit
PIGSKIN KEK!!!!
>>337734551
Im not denying that greatshields are OP but it is a counter. Hopefully FROM addresses stability on those things
>>337730670
Only havel shit builds care about poise.
There no poise on the game deal with it.
What patch is this on?
Did they fix the frame drops and stuttering yet? Quit playing at 1.04.
>>337734273
>10-15 endurance + Ring of Favor
"+10-15 + ring of favor"
Ring of Favor alone is often a virtual endurance increase of at least +10.
>>337730670
ACTUALLYYYYYY poise DOES do something. It does something very interesting to your roll I-Frames. I'm not gonna explain it though because that's what google is for. :)
>>337734649
Everyone who actually played DaS PvP can agree that the poise in that game was shit. If they DO implement poise (hyperarmor is good enough for me tbqh), they should NOT do it the same way they did in DaS. This game is the most balanced of the three on launch.
I really don't see the problem people have.
>>337732726
>I am retarded and don't know anything about DkS3.
>>337733636
stam and equip load are separate attributes
almost every sword has a shield break
getting staggered = free parry
kicks are shit and pvp and horse ring is useless, seriously needs a buff
>>337734810
i know this is a plebbit false flag
>>337734810
this has actually been proven false, sorry
>>337734640
I'm an expert on this anon. I wish I knew the girl so I could google it for you, but I'm 99% sure they're fake. Push up bras don't work like that, usually. They don't leave that much room between tits. The fat would kinda go more towards eachother, leaving less of a gap. What you see happening usually happens with smaller tits in a push up bra, but these are too big.
The only logical conclusion is that they're fake.
>>337734826
>Everyone who actually played DaS PvP can agree that the poise in that game was shit.
No you fucking retard. You seem to be confusing your opinion with universal truth. Here's how it actually is: we've had this discussion a million times and people still disagree on this, and most posters are very unlikely to change their mind.
I don't need poise with 40 vigor and the ability to oneshot people with Astora GS and leo ring :^)
>>337733657
Nah there 's poise. Look at the in-game character sheet you retarded fuck.
pls keep poise off, farron greatsword spin combo stunning people makes it the ultimate counter to hornet shits
i love terrorizing pathetic hornet ring niggers with my farron greatsword
>>337734551
>switching 1 weapon and 1 ring that everyone has
>literally takes about 5 seconds
>this now counts as ''a specific build''
>>337734826
this
if they reimplemented poise it would be incredibly difficult to balance
It's fine as is. Learn to use hyperarmor and longer range to punish r1 spam.
>>337735041
You mean, there's a bunch of kids pretending they actually played DaS back when, and people who actually did play it.
I guess we can agree on that.
>>337735102
>>337732961
oh thanks for telling me :^)
retard
>>337733915
Actually, even with Full Havel, Yhorm's Shield and the Lothric Spear PLUS the Wolf Ring+2 you won't have enough poise to tank a 2-handed Great Hammer R1.
You only need 5 poise to avoid being interrupted by a Piercing sword R1. 7 if they're using the sword 2-handed.
Poise off only benefits light weapons, you can't feasibly stack enough poise to become immune to heavy weapons.
>>337734810
You read one thread where some dickhead posted a mountain of text saying poise is about rolling and not withstanding attacks. For some reason retards took it as fact and it seems you are one of those retards.
>>337735140
>what is weight
>what is min/max
you can't just switch weapons and rings like that when you build is tightly set-up nigger
>>337734826
If they did it the same as DS1 (or even DS2), people would be required to invest in a stat essentially dedicated to people who want to use heavy armor with high poise. Nothing else could explain why equip load was separated from endurance and put into its own stat.
DS2's system would probably be the better option, but either is better than the current systerm, or lack thereof.
>>337734102
thats what I did, still found greatshields+estocs/darkswords at 90, stick to 60-70
>>337735209
>If you disagree with me you don't know what you're talking about
I'd laugh at the fact you're retarded enough to think DaS3 PVP is more balanced than (post-patch) DaS, but the notion is so utterly ridiculous I can't be sure you're not baiting so I'm dropping it.
>people want poisestabs + hornet ring back
Y
>>337734551
>Someone uses a specific, telegraphed attack designed to fuck shields.
>Sit there and block it instead of spending 10 stamina to roll.
>>337735338
Nigger just fucking have a straight sword in your inventory and equip it when needed
>my build is so specific I need all 4 ring slots occupied at all time.
Literally no build like this exists in the game.
>>337735705
Poisestabs were a counter to idiots spamming R1 with fast weapons while locked on. eg. a perfect counter to the current estoc faggotry. Though it wouldn't work nearly as well now because tracking on all weapons has become way too good.
Against an actual competent player who wasn't just going R1R1R1R1, poisestabs rarely paid off.
>>337734582
>hitting a darksword spammer with a fully charged AGS R2 with leo ring on
whopping 1050dmg
I use the shit out of weapons that have perseverance. Like if someone hits me in the middle of casting that with smoughs hammer I take like 2% damage then smash them with two ultra heavy hits because 9/10 times they think they can spam on me when I have that ultra poise on.
>>337733948
Mannikinexclusively for parrying because claws are shit
>>337735768
Sorc
>>337735705
the backstabs have been nerfed, that's enough
just tweak the poise breakpoints so you cant poisestab bigger weapons
>>337736036
Malformed Skull was better. RIP my build, you were an excellent choice.
>>337731357
Stop using faggy katanas and thrusting swords and maybe he wouldve never been forces to start using a greatshield in the first place?
>wearing full gundyr armor and nothing but his halberd.
>haven't lost a single invasion 1v1 vs meme weapons of all kinds
sending bitch niggas flying never felt so good
>ornstein cosplay
>leo ring
>poking dark sword and estoc fags away from me for 500-600 damage a poke
>zapping hornet fags from afar
>feels good
I'm in favor of bringing poise back but there'd definitely be an issue with the way rolls work right now. Everyone is basically playing with the DWGR in DaS3. Rolls too fast, iframes too long. Turning on poise would require rebalancing a lot of things from the ground up.
PVP is unbalanced shit right now but changing any individual elements without looking at the big picture might just throw it further off-balance. To fix PVP, they'd have to rework pretty much the entire thing from the ground up, and they won't, so I just accept that DaS3 will always have shit PVP and that means I can play other games now.
>>337736585
>It's your fault I'm using a cheese build
>>337736745
>>337736729
These are my favorite kind of people to fight. I prefer going against some dude that picked something he likes over something that's meta and will win, then runs like a pussy when his faggot weapon doesn't instantly win
>>337736847
Hey, if someone wants to invest the VIT then let them. Im SL 100, wolf greatshield plus BKUGS, and half the drakeblood set. Its fair, im not stupid enough to turtle.
If you think my build is less boring cheese than gothard or astora great sword
Well
Your fuckin wrong kid
>>337737045
i only play in cosplay, which is great in ds3 since gundyr/abyss watchers/ornstein cosplays are really effective in pvp
>>337737176
wolf greatshield, how long did it take you to get that? I can't get summoned for shit.
hyper armor >>> poise
Soulsfags are cancer.
I swear to god they prefer the less interactive one.
>hurr I want to stay and just be able to ignore the enemy completely
>what do you mean I have to pay attention to what my opponent does
>timing? what is timing?
Thank god this is the last dark souls. Hopefully last souls game.
Just watch a lets play if you absolutely don't want to play games and want numbers to beat it for you.
>>337734649
>hyper armor
>bigger weapons have more hyper armor therefore profit more from that
>poise
>bigger weapons weigh more so the smaller weapons can get more poise
>you get fucked even more by the shitters you can't even beat now.
>>337737269
Just farm goats, being summoned in giant seed gank quads is not worth it.
>>337737440
thats what the crystal is for
>>337737284
did you pvp in 1 at all? It was full of awful fucking players that ran the gayest shit possible to make up for how mechanically shit they were. I don't know how many havel faggots I beat all the time and just laughed at how bad they were.
I like to think that's half the people on /v/ that just endlessly bitch that they cant eat someones attacks.
>>337737519
>soft ban crystal
Whatever
>>337737440
k, ill do that.
Whats better, the ones by the bonfire or the ones by the abyss watchers?
>>337737594
> a few hours
whatevuv
>>337733636
I wanted dark souls 1 poise with BB backstabs, every fucking problem goddamn solved, get fucking better at pvp scrubs.
Instead we have fuckheug weapon hyper armor abuse and fast weapon stun locks.pve is better than pvp anyway
>>337737581
First of all
>pvp
People who play souls games for pvp or give a single shit about pvp or think the game should be balanced for pvp are even below smashfags who play party games competitively.
Play your fucking moba piece of shit games and keep your cancer out of mine.
also the strongest shit in das1 pvp was a two-handed buffed falchion.
>>337737269
Dont listen to anyone that tells you to farm, theyre literally retarded. Summoning works on a "first guy in goes out basis" so standing in the same spot is NOT gonna get you summoned. Run between areas that trigger the saving/loading flame on the corner of your screen. Didnt take long at all man. if you overleveled, go to SL100 like I am. I get NG+ summons & invasions quite easily anywhere.
>>337733636
>full havels gives 32 poise now
>most weaker weapons hit for 20 poise damage
>most heavy weapons will break poise instantly
>people still think it's overpowered
>>337737826
>dark souls 1 poise
>good
Biggest fucking cancer in this thread.
Jesus fucking christ.
>>337734780
No, if anything it's become worse.
Game used to run smoothly for me, now every twenty-ish seconds the game practically pauses for a moment for no reason.
>>337737882
All covenants are pvp based, even sun now. Why shouldn't be it balanced for pvp?
>>337737882
This. Honestly I want poise back for PvE, I couldn't give a two ton fuck about PvP. I use Dark Sword on my highest SL character cause I like its moveset, not because I want to be some metafag.
>>337737997
same here, didnt have it before
>>337737940
awesome, thanks anon. I never considered the save/load thing. I was just waiting around and it never happened.
>>337737987
But (You) just posted, anon.
>>337738173
>I want poise back for PvE,
Learn to use hyper armor.
It is ridiculous how many frames you get on your shit.
I feel like /v/ is just shit at this game. I've been on both sides of the weapon size spectrum and haven't really had any poise problem because I know when to swing, when to bait and attack, and when to dodge/parry. I've done daggers and poked people to death and done ultra greatswords and went full Guts on people.
Have none of you people rolled backwards and took 2 seconds to see how your opponent is playing? PvP isn't rocket science, its stupid simple
>>337738268
doesn't mean shit vs bosses. you stil get your fucking butthole rocked
>>337733657
Nu means not in Latin retard
>>337738349
against bosses dont get hit
>>337738349
But you stunlock the shit out of bosses.
Master Gundyr and NK were jokes with a big weapon.
Later on my build with smaller weapons they fucked me up because I couldn't stun the shit out of them.
I have no problem with certain bosses being easier with certain builds. And the hardest bosses are easiest with big weapons.
So for PvE you could argue that big weapons are easy mode.
Go ahead and try out Master Gundyr with an UGS
>>337731145
>it works as intended
>>337738268
Hyper armor is fun but I miss being able to tank enemies for 0 effort. Besides I want heavy armor to feel like it has a purpose, because right now there is no reason to use any of it.
>>337738309
It is das1 babbies.
all the people who started with demon's instantly adapted and played the game well.
DaS1 babbies literally can't play without handholding poise.
>>337738579
I think damage reduction is the answer and not poise. Maybe that actually needs a buff. Not sure. I mostly play fashion souls in all souls games except das1.
>>337738309
seriously, this.
Even when I lose using some garbage weapon, I'm not getting 100 to 0'd by whatever meme weapon /v/ bitches about. I think it's safe to assume a lot of people on /v/ are mechanically shit at games
>>337738349
Poise never mattered against 95% of bosses anyway, I just want it back to cheese smaller enemies
>>337738579
Hyper armor if a stupid concept only created to fill the lack of poise.
There's no distinction whatsoever in hyper armor. It's the same for each weapon regardless of your vitality and armor.
>>337738232
Go to halfway fortress and run between the bonfire and the first enemies and you should get summoned much more quickly. ganksquads are easily dealt with because usually you arent gonna be the only invader, plus crucifixion woods has the crabs, cross monsters, & the two watchdog npcs to help you. If you still get rekt use an ultraweapon that csn hit multiple people at once and be more aggresive (making sure yoy always have enough spare astamina to roll away)
Unless youre a PCfag then god help you, they seem to be having problems out the ass
>>337738425
well we aren't speakin latin retard
use it in english
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nu-
>>337738553
I tried it with dancer, and her stun wasn't significant enough for me not to have her put her fingers in my asshole. Maybe she's not the best example though, I'll go ty gundyr.
>>337730670
I found out how to turn it on and the game has been 100% better. Fuck Fromsoft. I literally have to recode your game to make it fun. And for those wondering playing with poise makes things better but doesn't even get close to breaking armor builds. I easily get staggered from 2 hits. Poise should have been in this game but instead they turned it into roll souls. So sad
>>337738694
>I think damage reduction is the answer and not poise
>Fuck Mages, pyros and faith users
>>337738425
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nu-
>>337738890
I am not sure how that would fuck the gayboys who want to shoot sparkly magic.
Can you explain that a little more?
>>337738694
If they could make damage reduction so good its worth it to use heavier armor then I won't care as much. Its not like I don't already roll through everything.
>>337738989
sorcery builds are under powered and shit atm
>>337738817
I'm both. but right now i'm on ps4 cuz pc is unplayable and there's tons of hackers/pirates that give people stuff to get them softbanned.
I have an FGS, that any good for shitting on multiple ppl?
>>337738579
The biggest problem is that this game has schizophrenic design when it comes to armor. Wearing heavy armor requires investment in a separate stat, which implies that armor should be powerful enough to warrant this distinction. Yet it's possibly as useless as it's ever been in this game because absorption is worthless and there's no poise. They changed the stat system in DS2 to separate VIT and END because of poisemonsters, but this game would be better suited with END granting equip load because equip load is basically worthless outside of fashion, so why not allow anyone to pump endurance to wear heavy armor?
If armor felt like it was meant to be worthless by there not being a stat for it (BB), or carry weight being a consequence of another stat (DS1), maybe things would be fine. As it is there's no advantage to wearing it and it's also *hard* to wear it, which is the real problem.
>>337738989
You should tell me, or are you implying you can't play with your estoc?
>>337738846
Dancer I think is best with a middle sized weapon. A greatsword like claymore is fast enough and fucks her up.
I think UGS and Straight swords are equally okay against her.
>>337739057
even in pve?
Hyper armor doesn't work at all, before, durin or after ultragsword swing I still get stunned by straight swords and estoc.
>>337739042
Damage reduction from armor is pretty garbage atm. I completely agree
>>337739057
yeah they need a damage buff.
Like 50%. What you now get with 60 you should get with 40 int or fth.
It is ridiculous that the other damage stats cap out at 40 but magic users have to spend 20 levels more.
Maybe if their spells wouldn't cost stamina so they could completely ignore that stat. But they can't.
Not sure how that relates to armor though.
>>337739092
I actually haven't made an estoc build yet and I still don't understand your point.
>>337738870
1 hit from a heavy weapon = im stunned until either i die or they run out of stamina from r1s. what a shitload of ass
>>337739295
None of that matters when you can spam roll BB style.
BB ruined DS3
>>337739167
it does work you dip. hyper armor isn't active for the entire swing it actives about halfway through the swing when the swords momentum would keep it pushing forward.
>>337739167
You need to learn were your hyper armor frames are.
>>337739448
>best game ruined DaS3
Look DaS1 didn't go nowhere. You can still play it.
DaS3 is just right between das1 and bb
I don't want it to be exactly like either. I don't understand why anyone would.
>>337739295
Magic is already weak (relative to how hard it is to actually hit someone with it, you can shoot a CSS for like 1500 damage but you have to give up 3 ring slots and your hat and offhand weapon, but even then you won't hit a decent player) without armor giving actually good damage reduction on top of that. Buffing armor would require some buffs to magic to compensate for the increased damage reduction potential.
I personally think that magic needs to be retooled so you don't have to dedicate half your fucking loadout to passive damage boosts to be worthwhile. The Crown of Dusk looks like shit, and always has, never mind having to use THREE motherfucking damage boost rings and the Sage Ring if you're not interested in leveling DEX on the side.
>>337737428
>there's nothing between those categories, everything is an estoc or a dragon tooth
>>337739650
Those are the extreme examples.
Point is poise will help you more the smaller your weapon is.
It skews the balance in favor of the lighter weapons.
It buffs greatsword builds more than ugs builds. I never implied the shit inbetween doesn't exist.
>>337738801
People are acting like its enough to fill the poise hole that From has created, its not.
>>337739075
It fucking blows that wearing heavy armor is basically useless, I loved wearing heavy armor. And if I'm honest I'm not really sure what From is doing with Poise. It's clearly still in the game, but for some reason nothing seems to utilize it. Like its such a hot mess people are spending hours of "research" trying to figure out what poise does.
>>337738309
This
Fighting through the game alone should be more than enough to make you faggots skilled at baiting, rolling, timing, etc. Psyching out your opponent is half the battle. The other half is knowing at Armor is NOT useless. Literally half the shit I see posted around here & /vg/ is bait to get people to gimp themselves. like steel protection being useless in pvp and other such lies
>>337738890
Don't you know anon? Dark Souls is all about ROLLING
Shields, armor, magic, heavy weapons? Fuck that!
It's all about just ignoring damage with long periods of invulnerability and poking them to death!
Every now and then you can throw in a Parry against one of the countless heavily telegraphed attacks to get in super easy damage!
Rolling is so skill based!
>>337735768
>Literally no build like this exists in the game.
my sl40 catacombs pyromancer has 4 rings that never come off
witch ring, pyro starter ring, fire clutch ring, sage ring
What did From Soft mean by its situational now? What kind of situations are they talking about?
>>337739868
>*Tries to do a skillful parry*
>Estoc
>*Staggers*
>Dies
WellFuck From
Also this >>337739448
>>337739506
The profaned flame stomp is just useless against estoc, I tried it a bunch of times, I get stunned out of it.
>>337739980
There's a weapon art (Perseverance) that appears to activate poise for some short duration of time. You have to pop it constantly in order to maintain it during a fight though, so you're meant to use it right before you get hit so you can tank and retaliate.
>>337739832
>People are acting like its enough to fill the poise hole that From has created, its not.
It is not enough if you don't want to play the game.
You are acting like you can't possibly play Demon's or BB.
Hyper armor is so much better than poise simply because it is interactive.
If you boil souls or most games down all it comes down to is timing and quick decisions.
Rolls work through timing.
Parries work through timing.
blocking involves timing.
Poise in das1 really requires no thought on the player. People who rely on poise don't actually like to play the game. They would prefer a turn based souls were their stats fight the enemy stats.
>>337739980
>What did From Soft mean by its situational now?They meant to deceive you
>What kind of situations are they talking about?LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkPbJIlEXow
>>337738579
>trade with some faggot with a BKGA
>I do slightly less damage but win because unlike him im not wearing rags
i swear that 30 absorption across the board has somehow made my hyperarmor better
>>337739980
poise is tied to hyper armor. If a weapon has hyper armor frames, that's when your poise counts.
At least it's not as bad as the early state of dark souls 2 pvp
The people who are good and can adapt don't care if poise is on or not. I see none of those people in this thread.
>>337740210
What is better between absorption and defense anyway? I have like 133 def and 30 abs with the def ring, but still get 2 shotted by anything
>>337737218
This. I even invested in Vigor so I could wear Nameless King attire without fatrolling. Still need Havel's ring and have to lose the gauntlets to be at 69%, but it's worth it.
Heavy armor in Dark Souls 3
>provides negligible damage absorption compared to medium weigh sets
>weighs a metric fuck ton, to the point where Havels Ring +2 and Ring of Favor +2 are essentially required to where any type of Heavy armor with a semi heavy weapon
>Poise is a stat that does nothing, affects nothing, and it literally useless. Hyper armor is attached to weapons instead
How can the "A" team be so incompetent.
You guys do knoe that Stomp can go into other moves besides your WA r2 right?
Also, have manual aiming turned on. The only thrustingfags that give me trouble now are Spears.
I love hyper armor
>have 60 int sorcerer
>have MLGS
>when I'm fighting pro 'roll in to attack' pvpers I just respond to the roll by hitting L2
>their dinky r1 hits me, shortly after which my weapon art hits them for about 1000 damage
works every time, I swear to god
>>337740483
Literally how? Just how? Whats your Vigor?
>keep getting stunned to death by farron spin
I thought you could parry it
>>337739795
While it's true lighter weapons could reach higher poise levels without significant stat investment, there are some slower weapons with really shitty hyper armor that would benefit more from this. And since faster weapons deal less poise damage, it would skew the balance of estoc vs. medium weapons in favor of the latter. An average claymore build could poisetank an estoc while doing a 1HR1 (no hyper armor), whereas an average estoc build might not be able to poisetank that claymore 1HR1.
It's entirely true that lighter weapons can get more poise but you're completely ignoring a very important variable by not considering that those weapons deal much lower poise damage.
>>337740353
I don't care if poise is on, but it's a blatant design oversight that heavy armor requires stat investment when wearing it gives you no returns outside of access to a larger selection of outfits. That's what bothers me most about the system in this game. The stats are balanced as if poise still exists, and they would require a player to spec into having poise. But there isn't poise, and armor is more useless than ever. So why restrict wearing it to people who've dumped points into a stat?
>>337740738
you can, easily. just parry when you see him start to get down to his breakdance stance
>>337740287
hyper armor has been proven static, not tied to poise at all
>>337740705
27, wearing the dancer slut set.
You idiots. Poise in this game is DaS with toggling. You can roll away after getting hit twice. Except for special attacks. If you can't roll away after getting hit twice, you don't know how to pvp in this game.
>>337740008
>misses a parry
>suprised or even offended that he dies
C'mon now
>>337740906
>wears the dancers set
Theres your problem, your a faggot
>>337740749
Wrong and confirmed for scrub. Traditional poise has and always will benefit light weapons over heavy weapons because heavier weapon users will invariably have a higher Equip Load than light weapon users.
>>337740152
I already roll through attacks, I never relied on poise to get me through the game. BB was the easiest souls game for me until DS3 came. I just want heavier armor to be useful, because right now there is no point in using it.
>its a "marcus completely misses a game mechanic that would make the area infinitely easier because he's an unobservant idiot" episode
>>337740738
i keep spamming hornetfags with it and they dont seem to know that
>>337740985
You miss a parry if you're stun locked. Did you know that?
>>337740757
Oh I agree, I personally think it should be on and should work the way it did in DaS2. I meant for that to insult the people defending it being off. They claim superiority because the way they play works the best now so they don't want change. An actual good player wouldn't care about how it changes the meta.
>>337739405
You actually get hit with the heavy weapons? and if you do the game has it set up that you roll out after 2 hits. I don't think you know how this works bud. But I honestly can't comment on how real poise would effect the pvp scene because I have to play offline or will get autobanned
>>337740287
NO IT ISN'T
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
YOU WILL GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF HYPER ARMOR FROM WEARING FULL HAVELS ARE NOTHING. HYPER ARMOR IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MECHANIC AND IS NOT RELATED TO POISE, INCREASING YOUR POISE WILL NOT GIVE YOU MORE HYPER ARMOR
>they think I cant roll because i just swung a heavy weapon twice
>roll away
Everytime
>they think theyre safe because they siderolled
>manual aiming hits them with second and third hit, their dead
Everytime
>they think my Stomp = free attack
>poise/hyperarmor through and hit them with an r1 instead of the r2 they expected
All the other shitty UGS players are conditioning everyone else to give me easy wins
>>337741018
I'm a cute undead girl!
>>337740008
>tries to use hornet ring because wah ds3 is too hard
>gets stunlocked
>complains on mongolian tapestry board
>>337741283
anon calm down. Its going to be ok. But you are 100% correct. Autism have checked this shit 100 times over and poise as it stands does nothing
>>337741338
Dancer's is a good armor set, good defense for it's weight. I certainly hope you maxed your leg slider before wearing it.
>>337734203
This argument is fucking dumb and all the retards keep saying this.
Rapiers in das 1 did 6 fucking poise damage. Something like a straight sword did 24. If your opponent is in full havels and an estoc you will poise break him mashing a SS then he will poise break you mashing a rapier, so long as you have slight poise. You don't even need heavy armor to win the poise trades, just medium.
Fast weps in das1 did shit poise damage, it was balanced and you didn't even play the game nigger
>>337741379
>Defending the estoc and dark sword.
>>337741026
I could tank through pretty much all light weapons with a generic claymore or gravelord sword build: only havelmonsters could tank through my hits. In DaS3, even full Havel's gives shit poise.
Activate poise in DaS3 with sensible poise damage on weapons and the end result will be that estocs / straight swords won't stagger anyone who isn't naked on the first hit, whereas most medium or heavy weapons will.
>>337741152
>boy this game seem really short... better ignore this area I know exists thus making my experience even shorter because "lol I'm getting into it"
Fucking retarded fuck.
I love Epic, but jesus fucking christ.
>>337741217
Oh right, I guess I misread then. I just want a system that promotes variety and forces people to make compromises with their builds. Armor is a nonfactor in the current system and 2hit stagger is universal which has pretty wide negative implications for the variety of situations you can run into in PvP. I already feel like I've seen it all and I'm sitting at around ~150 hours.
>>337741445
I'm just tired of seeing misinformation get spread constantly.
>>337738694
Damage reduction was only half the point of heavy armour.
In Dark 1 there were two basic playstyles. Flip wizard and tank. Flip wizards would roll around in light armour with a fast weapon and handle enemies that way. Tanks would stand their ground with a shield and heavy armour and trade hits. This is why there were rolling limits. Heavy armour had a purpose because it gave you poise in exchange for ruining your roll.
Now there's no reason at all to fatroll. You may as well just flip around in rags the entire game with Flynn's ring.
>>337734254
Do you know how hard it is to backstab in das3? You literally can't backstab someone if they are moving
>>337739061
Yeah if they cant parry for shit. Otherwise, use dead angles
Do not spam that l1, it will make me taunt alot after I kill you
>>337741583
>A ring that gives you more damage for being lighter
>Ne ring to give you more defense when being heavier
>>337741379
Fuck off dex shitter.
>>337741583
>flip around in rags
God I love you faggots, handing me easy victories because of your DS1 mindset
>>337741598
What does that have to do with what he said? Backstabs in 3 are possible if they're parry spamming retards, which is a great way to punish them.
In 1 you were able to just poise through someone's hit and backstab one shot. This lead to many fights that were just two players circling around each other until one poor sob R1'd first. It was fucking retarded and anyone who thinks that is healthy PvP has brain damage
>>337741824
>implying Dex is even strong anymore
It's Quality or nothing
>>337741765
Flynn rings is useless anyway. The ar increase is megligable compared to what you sacrifice
>>337741962
They fixed that issue by making it harder to backstab people who weren't in the middle of an animation. Poise would not introduce this problem unless the attacking player had literally no awareness and let the opponent get behind them without attempting to move out of the way.
>>337741583
You're mostly right except for the part where you think Flynn's Ring does anything.
I like Fashion Souls but I still fucking wish armor mattered for more than just fashion. As it stands, the longer roll distance from having low load is offset by the lack of "pseudo-poise" on rolls you gain from having a high equip load. So being lightweight isn't strictly better than being at exactly 70%, which is backwards as fuck. Some players can be incentivized to just carry heavy weapons in their free slots if their fashion soulsing doesn't get them to a high enough equip load to avoid being staggered by an estoc poke out of a roll.
>>337742156
>except for the part where you think Flynn's Ring does anything.
What do you mean? I reflects the change right on your stat screen, why would you think it did nothing?
I mean, it's useless if you're at around 60%, but if you're going ragmode you might as well put it on for a decent bonus.
>>337742156
Havin heavier armor and more poise give your roll more iframes. Unless you are fighting a boss the length of your roll doesnt mean shit
People whine about poise not working properly but let's take a look at what PvP would look like if Poise worked like it did in Dark Souls 1
>Meta would be heaviest of heavy armor
>Person would just wield something like a Greataxe
>Just trade hits because light weapons won't stagger you, you just poise through it and hit the other player
I don't see how that sounds any better than how it is currently.
>>337742315
With only hags and a single ring the increase is already less than 10%, even smaller if you use other rings and a non-dagger weapon.
>>337742550
Why didn't the "A" team just not be complete fucking morons and just rip the Poise system from DaS2? You know, the shit game that did some systems better than Miyazaki ever could.
>>337742315
>decent bonus
Not really, even in ragmode the AR gains are comparable or lower than what you'd get from a +5 str/dex ring. Flynn's Ring has an effect but it's a negligible one.
>>337742661
>DaS 2
>Poise
I must be misremembering something
>>337742573
Well for a non-elemental weapon it's a decent bonus. You get more out of Lloyd's, but it's only at max health, so it's less useful.
A fire clutch or whatever would be better, but like i said, for a regular weapon that's useless.
Which reminds me, what the fuck is the point of Lloyd's shield ring? And Blue Tearstone? A one time defense boost seems like the most useless thing in the universe.
>>337741494
>I can't parry
>>337742550
You're acting like poise damage numbers are set in stone from DaS and could not possibly be changed.
>>337742315
15% AR when totally naked and not holding a weapon, declines sharply with carry weight. Lightest class of weapons worth using in PvP are rapiers, you'd get ~8-10% boost at most from it. Not worth it compared to other rings you could use.
>>337742661
was there poise in DaS2? I only ever used Greatsword so it never mattered to me.
>>337742414
>more poise gives your roll more iframes
Unless some new information came out, all tests made on this showed that poise was irrelevant to that, only equip load. You could go completed naked wielding large clubs or greatshields in your weapon slots and still gain the same roll "poise" as if you were wearing Havel's.
>>337741494
not defending them, i dont use em, i stunlock with my dragonslayer spear
but id rather fight a dark sword and estoc team than a hornet ringing nigger
>>337742661
This. They should also bring back soul memory and deadzones.
>>337742824
>You're acting like poise damage numbers are set in stone from DaS and could not possibly be changed.
Doesn't matter how they change. Heavy armor, heavy weapon would be the new meta and shit on everyone else the same way light armor, light weapon does right now
You can't properly balance this system
I don't remember how poise worked in DaS 2. Can someone fill me in?
>>337743073
It didn't
The japanese community lies poise the way it is AKA its not getting changed. cry about it some more
>>337742797
I think, but can't confirm, that blue tearstone now triggers on the hit that brings you down for its effect to activate. Very useful to bait would be lethal attacks in PvP only to surprise them and hit them with your hyper armor.
Shield ring is very good at low level runs: A single estus gets you to full HP, so against bosses whose attacks are single hit hard hitting it is pretty much always active.
But as said by other anon above, knight or hunter ring is better than Flynn's in every aspect. Couple that with prisioner's which is almost mandatory and you'd only have one ring left if you wanted to still use Flynn's.
>>337733915
>heavy weapons
>viable
Anyone who isn't a complete scrublord estoc spammer can dodge all heavy weapons.
>>337730670
Nothing will ever top the Nvidia one.
Why are invasions so fucking miserable now? I invade some guy and get gang banged by 4 players almost every time. DaS 3 has the worst invasions I've ever seen.
>>337743541
not with shitty unpredictable netcode and lag
>>337743542
Well, the original is pretty damn funny
>>337743073
Exactly like Das1, but you would only not-flinch if you were performing an action. Getting hit while not doing anything would put a slowing effect on you for a second.
PVP it didn't make any noticeable difference in because player weapons did stupid amounts of poise damage.
>>337743073
It didn't, don't let the DaSII fags get to you.
>>337734203
I put over 1000 hours in DaS, don't tell me what I haven't played you ignorant nigger.
>>337743675
Yeah, but I mean from the "covers".
>>337743596
>I don't know how to gank spank
>>337743596
I'm so sick of it now.
>invade as farron
>1 vs 6 gank squad, giant crabs are hostile too.
>One red, he is a fucking retard faggot attacking me, probably friend of the host.
>>337734254
>Im a scrub who can't dodge bs fishers so the mechanic is shit >:(
ds2 pvp was beterrr!!!1!!one1!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IMaJY0GOI
This isn't poise related but are there any actual drawbacks to hollowing other than the zombie look?
I wear a helmet anyway so I'm not gonna spend a buttload of souls to revert it if there are no actual drawbacks.
what are some weapons that are really cool but not yet made popular by youtubers and redditors?
>>337732961
>>337732961
If it's 'turned off' then that stat display doesn't need to be in the game. Just say the game doesn't have poise- all you have to fucking do.
There's no reason for it besides laziness. It's stupid.
>>337734286
>it was fine in 2
>could poisebreak someone with an estoc easier than an ugs
no
I mean it was still probably the best system but even then it still sucked
>>337743834
Yeah okay, I can gank spank when 3 players are all r1 spamming simultaneously in a cluster. Thank God I have all this poise so I don't get stun locked to death.
I wouldn't complain if hosts with summons weren't always fucking prioritized. I've invaded a lone player maybe 10 times since release.
Play other games with better PvP niggers, dark souls PvP is utter shit.
>>337743596
Because, unlike Bloodborne, DaSIII doesn't give you the proper tools to actually deal with fighting multiple players.
>>337743860
is a +3 weapon upgrade good for watchdogs or is that too high? thinking of doing a sl31 +3 weapon watchdogs invader
Funny how people whined about "muh backstab fishing" in DaS1 and now that the backstab window has been nerfed to hell and the parry window has been buffed, particularly things like parrying the tip of the weapon model, the game has devolved into parry fishing since it's easy as fuck now and there's no hard punish when it's so difficult to backstab. Doesn't help matters that parrying has a reputation for being "skillful" from the previous games where parrying was actually somewhat hard so scrubs can just mash L2 with a small shield and actually delude themselves into thinking this makes them good. I'll admit it's fun mocking them by intentionally whiffing parries out in the open though, it always gets them triggered and then when they go for a running r1 you actually can parry them lel.
>>337741494
>I purposely gimp myself with inferior weapons because I am an honest and respectable Dark Soulsian
>>337744328
It's perfect.
I'm doing it at 120 and it's fucking awful
>tfw every fight is me putting myself out there to attack because my opponent will literally just run away and circlestrafe forever
YOU DON'T FUCKING LOSE THAT MUCH WHEN YOU DIE STOP BEING A FUCKING BITCH AND FIGHT
>>337743596
>invade as grape
>kill phantom and get reward
>spam gough's stones as I vanish
Grapes are the easiest covenant, try it to ruin people's days.
>>337744289
3 has the absolute worst pvp I've seen so far. Bloodborne has the best pvp to date, DaS 1 is runner up, and 2's is simply okay. I played DeS way after release so I can't comment on its quality.
>>337742550
They would hav to invest heavily in vit, and wouod only be getting poise out of it.
You can poke them with two to three hits to stagger
>>337743596
>going through Cathedral of Deep last night
>about to leave
>bonfire switches off
>"god dammit"
>"INVADED BY COCKBREATH69YOLO"
>decide to just finish off the rest of the area
>go unlock the last shortcuts
>"where is he?"
>go open up Rosaria's chamber
>"Where the hell is this guy?"
>wander around picking up items for 10 minutes
>"DARK PHANTOM HAS RETURNED HOME"
How can someone wander around for 15 minutes and fail to find the host?
>>337742747
The problem was the Stone Ring. If you go full-on LGK armor with Giant ring and the other guy doesn't have the Stone Ring, it takes quite some hits to poisebreak you, but when that happens, the other guy gets 2 hits in automatic.
>>337744514
>Invade as a grape
>kill literally all phantoms or the host :^)
Yeah no, this is awful. If I only had to kill one summon I'd be fine.
>>337737045
Been cosplaying as nk for the past 2 days, very effective.
>>337738268
This would be great if Heavy Armor actually significantly reduced damage but it doesn't. So if I try to tank hits to kill a bunch of enemies, I'll just end up being 3-shot by them rapidly.
Hyper armor only works when the shit that's hitting you isn't doing a 1/3rd of your health.
>>337744751
>repeat x100
>>337744674
But it is an always changing number of phantoms, 3 is quite rare, usually you only need to kill 2 and killing a single phantom isn't uncommon.
>>337744751
>legion etiquette
triggered
>>337744512
The current state of PVP gives a huge advantage to the player who reacts rather than initiates. Unless you're playing with a katana and spamming WDR1. If an opponent has a heavy weapon, it's pretty much always correct to wait for them to lose their patience and try something.
Just drop DaS3 PVP, it's not worth it.
>>337741494
Fuck you queer I've been using this shit in every game first play through
I don't give a fuck what you meta-fags give a shit about.
>>337744751
Pure skills XDDDD
And when red try to do the same they just kill each other.
>>337744869
I've done 50 Mound Maker invasions today and half were "Kill 3 phantoms". The rest were kill 2. In every case, it meant I'd have to kill ALL the summons in the world.
Guess how many shackles I got through invasions today?3
>>337744751
/v/ owes DaS2 an apology
>>337745202
I apologize. DaS2 is a good game.
>>337745202
DaS2 had Havelyn, no.
>>337745202
I wasn't a big fan of 2's pvp but it was so much better than this. If I invaded someone, it was rare to see them with a fucking summon. Invasions after a boss was dead really fucking helped and I'm pissed thats gone.
>>337745137
>wait 3 hours to be summoned as a blueberry
>it's a gank squad
>black crystal out because muh honor
>keep this up for multiple days, get no closer to maxing out darkmoon covenant
>now reluctantly participate in gank squads because the system is broken
I'm sorry invaders, I really, really am.
>>337744751
>Legion Etiquette
What a faggot
>>337745202
I apologize. DaS2 was way worse than I originally thought. I'm sorry for misjudging it.
>>337744554
Good luck with that because in those 2-3 hits you will get stunlocked by a fucking great axe because they just trade with you and while they won't get staggered after the first hit they sure as hell will stagger your faggot ass
>>337745202
SotFS was worse than DaS2 how did they get away with this?
>>337745342
PVP was alright, aside from the fact malformed skull got nerfed and you could chug in arenas (I hear they fixed the latter eventually)
>>337745443
What if - get this, it's just an idea that crossed my mind, just roll with me here - what if I don't trade with the Greataxe? What if fast weapons can actually try to hit the opponent and not get hit? Isn't that a crazy fucking idea?
Just get rid of DS3 pvp entirely and bring back DS2 pvp
the only thing that was wrong with it was soul memory
>>337745362
dorkmoons have always been faggots anyways
>>337745613
>>337745443
Oh wait I just read the post you're replying to and yeah, that anon's a retard if he thinks you can poke a greataxe user 2-3 times in a row with no repercussions.
QoL bits you miss from DSII
>Power stances
>Invasions literally anywhere
>more weapon variety
>>337745202
My favourite meme.I always thought DaS2 was alright, but fuck off anyway
>>337745624
and the ng/ng+ segregation.
>>337745670
Yeah but never ganking faggots.
>>337745462
>SotFS was worse than DaS2
Isn't it the same game?
>it's a host can roll through anything episode
>>337745670
Dorkmoons used to invade. And they'd invade other invaders, aka people who at least know their way around PVP. That was a great system.
>>337745783
Its been that way since DeS
>>337745798
>tfw you'll never get indicted again
>>337745745
SotFS is Dark Souls 2 after a developer opened his big sack of enemies and started throwing them all over the place while blindfolded. It's the same game except now you're a lot more likely to break your fucking weapon halfway through a zone because fucking hell there's too many enemies.
>>337734929
>though i say Dks instead of DaS.
>>337745920
>Wow all these enemies are sleeping better wake them all up LOL
Bet you're one of those faggots that complains about that
>>337745920
Wow I actually forgot weapons could break, never happens in 3.
>>337745913
Such a tiny thing but man do I miss it.
>>337745137
What level are you?
Finished NG two days ago, leveled up to SL 60 +8 weapon, maxed the covenant (23 since I had some from NPCs/enemy drop/mold invades)
Around 1 third of those I had to kill only 1 phantom. The trick is to know where to invade, I did all in the high wall. For instance, near the first two bonfires you're almost always getting solo hosts, while near the bosses you'll get many going for the dancer. If they do summon for the dancer then you know they're shitters as well as most of the phantoms and you can rush to them. I even got a fight club where I hornet backstabbed the host because it's funny.
They also can't handle chameleon/branches.
Also, this is probably too late for you, but do not under any circunstances use the slab, it gets you stuck with the worse sorts of people in the game, period, they're the sort who'll do anything to fuck with you.
Gonna do some testing in settlement and other areas later to max fingers/sunbros.
>>337744232
You just don't have enough poise. Keep in my 2-handing weapons increases poise damage significantly and you're gonna get stunned if you're not wearing full heavy armor. Even then you get stunned if you're not taking an action no matter what.
>>337746028
I bet you're one of those faggots who doesn't see the issue with a "challenging encounter" being a room with 8 clustered enemies.
I agree, actually. I'd much rather an encounter of a handful of identical hollows over some big interesting demon or something.
>>337746086140+its my main and I just want to get warmth so I can wrap up all the trophies.
Thanks for the tip
>>337746086
>but do not under any circunstances use the slab
Titanite slab?
Does matchmaking take into account your weapon level?
>>337746028
That greentext is completely unrelated to the post you're quoting. Like, that's not even close to what the complaint was about.
>>337730670
Thats pretty funny.
>>337746254
Yeah but I think the upgrade level is +/- 2 from your highest upgraded weapon. If you're at +8 you could still get matched with +6 up to +10. Not to mention that most of the people in a given SL bracket have incredible homogeneous weapon levels because this game just straight up puts all the regular titanite you need to get to +10 on the critical path.
>>337745202
If it had a full red eye orb I'd consider it
>>337745920
I don't think you understand why DaS2 was bad in the first place in term of enemy placement. They actually "tried something" this time with them, even if it leads to some bullshit like that.
You can just murder your friends for sun and moundmakers, farron and aldrich are where the fun stop, I'd do darkmoon again before farron at 120.
>>337732582
No, it was tested, it does nothing it affects nothingg.
>>337746158
There's room for both types of challenges. SotFS just leaned way too heavily on the former. And of course it was all trivialized by pulling the enemies individually. But at that point it felt like I was playing an MMO or something.
>pull enemy, drag it back to a safe area to fight it, kill it, repeat
It took the worst aspects of DaS2's Dragon Shrine -arguably the worst area in the vanilla game- and applied them to the entire game.
Unrelated to poise, but what level am I supposed to be at for the Grand Archives and Archdragon Peak? I'm at level 60 and can't find more than 1 or 2 summon signs in front of a boss room (not that I'm using them since I'm soloing every boss) and I haven't been invaded once ever since I walked into Lothric Castle.
>>337746254
Yeah, that's no secret, +-2 of your weapon level. Except slabs makes you pretty much always face slabers, the same people who summon phantoms endlessly and host fight clubs.
>>337746195
Oh man, that's a pain, I'd give you my extra shackles if I could. My suggestion is make a new character for the pyro achievement, other spells pretty much can't be missed. You can't use summon signs now since people are smarter, but do invade in the wall/settlement at early levels, it's your best bet.
>>337746579
>farron
Invasions were so rare I had to rank up by farming Ghru for a whole day.
>>337746551
I understand why it was bad, I'm saying SotFS made it even worse.
>>337746664
>There's room for both types of challenges.
Only if they're well designed. There's a difference between a challenge that contests your ability to deal with multiple enemies and one that is literally just 12 knights standing in a row infront of a boss room.
>>337738425
That's very false
>>337746579
At least with aldrich you get backup. Everyone, including reds, just want to kill the host.
>>337746754
If you say it made it worse, then obviously you don't.
Anyone else not able to summon or get summoned at nameless king? What the fuck. SL90
>>337746702
Probably around 70. 60 should be able to find summons, though.
And some areas just aren't invasion hotspots. I get invaded 100% of the time right after Pontiff, but in Lothric Castle or Archdragon I've never been invaded.
>>337746702
60-70 generally
>>337730670
Who cares about poise? You can wear anything and it is fine. I wear the fucking arch deacon set because of weight plus it looks silly. I use the butcher knife and the dragon slayer great shield. The stability and resistance are great on that shield. Who the fuck needs poise anymore? You need to adapt and survive not whine like a little baba.
>>337746728
I was thinking I'd just farm a friend with a password over and over instead. I tried farming skeleton but fuck that. If their drop rates weren't 1% it'd be so much nicer.
>>337746836
Reds are fucking retards always attacking blue-red.
>>337746984
Skellies are worth killing for their drops. Shotel is okay but cool, curved greatsword is very fun and good and curved sword is amazing.
But yeah, if you have a friend, use them, that's better.
>>337747170
In my experience I could always count on a red to watch my back. I dunno, I guess its never wise to trust another player.
>>337746964
>>337746924
That's weird then. It's mostly because I get summoned instantly near bosses like Dragonslayer Armour or Oceiros, but I see no signs myself before beating them. I even ran around the Archives area with a dried finger and didn't get invaded.
>>337746860
>No, you don't understand
Great point friend.
They should just use the poise system from Diablo 3.
>>337747881
They should just use a poise system instead of none at all.
>>337745137
got 99 problems but a shackle aint one
>>337734423
Shield break art alone probably works, horsehoof ring does jack shit.
Literally the only thing poise will do is defend you from black knight weapon stun. Thats it, you have enough poise? no stun, you dont? get stunned for a second hit sonny jim.
>>337747881
This, there hasn't been a game since that could top it.
>>337748040
Confirmed for never having played Diablo 3.
>>337748697
Except that's not true. You can wear all the heavy armor you want and still take a 2nd hit no matter what.
>People complaining about poise backstabs in DS1
>So fucking bad at PvP that they don't know how to counter backstabs
>>337749392
BK weapons reduce poise per attack, if you have more poise than said attack drops, then you aren't stunned. I've literally watched it happen multiple times.
>>337730670
Why is every retard here complaining about poise when those jap fucks at from have kept the repulsive phantom hits throughout the entire souls series?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNCDcrHMVtk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMpJzG_dbUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhDiALsnpTg
Literally THE biggest problem in pvp in every souls title and you moronic fucks are crying about poise instead.
>>337749729
I've literally watched that exact same thing happen and it doesn't work.
EVERY source of damage unless you're in a Hyper animation is a stun, 100% of the time.
Poise does nothing and refuses to admit it to "let the players keep guessing" until they can actually "fix" it in their eyes, which will take until both DLC are out.
>>337750496
>and From refuses to admit it*
>>337741494
>pick cestus
>literally rape the left trigger with no consequence because what are recovery frames?
Why is poise so important to you people? If you had poise on top of the hyper armor you get during weapon swings, PVP would be a shitty no-hitstun slugfest, and everyone would be running with havels because light armor would no longer be viable.
I see some weapons say that their weapon skill increases poise. Is this the same poise as the stat or is this something else? Or does it just not do anything at all?
>>337743934
also interested.
>>337751098
>light armor would no longer be viable.
>Wear Havels instead and be forced to Medium Roll at best
No thanks.
The fast or one-shot Meta is not fun. Let people have their Poise and actually balance hyper armor as well. Or balance Poise.
But having a stat that actually does nothing is literally retarded game design.
>>337743934
>>337751335
There are no drawbacks besides rotted corpse and some enemies won't invade you if you are Hollowed.
Like Pale Shade in Irithyll.
>>337746579
>friends
>>337748418
Suspicious
>>337730670
kekles
>>337734286
maybe don't run into a pile of dogs like an idiot and play more smart?
Maybe poise only works if you have it at maximum and if you have maximum poise you will be FUCKING INVINCIBLE
>>337744101
The Immolation Tinder is pretty fun on my INT build. It's basically a weapon and a catalyst at the same time and can lead to some fun combos. The weapon art is pretty ok too even though the tracking is ass.
>>337730670
Poise is fucked
They just don't want to admit their mistake
>>337744751
>Health halfway gone before the "Invaded the World of _____" message even appears
>Dead before it fades out
>>337744972
this is how Tumblrites think
>>337748418
duper found
>Dark Souls III
>>337750063
Bad players thinks that poise will allow them to beat Dark Sword / Estoc R1 spam... Which isn't even that dominant in PvP and can easily be beaten with good hyper armor usage.
Basically they are bad players that want a mechanic that will enable scrubby play.
>>337732961
Good form, from
>>337733636
I just want SOME semblance of poise that isn't hyper fucking armour
>tfw slowly coming to terms with the fact that Dark Souls 2 is better
>>337757286
T H I S
>>337744751
thats depressing. why would someone waste their time doing this?
or maybe it was coincidental?
>>337755978
No, what we want if for the stat to actually fucking word
>lol look at these scrubs
>who fucking care if more than half the armor is fucking useless
>who fucking care if Vit is useless
>who fucking care if it stated in the whole fucking game
Your holier than thou act here is fucking disgusting.
If you're so fucking good at this game stomping all the scrubs, then it doesn't matter if these poise thing exist or not.
You'll end up stomping either way right?
>I can beat retards that walk into my long ass and fucking obvious attack animation
>look at me I am soo good
They literally turned poise off for release just to make the game harder and will turn it back on after DLC is released in a patch once the hype is gone.
>>337757286
m-maybe the dlc will fix it
>>337757286
I've had to come to terms with the fact that these guys making the games had no fucking clue what parts were good/bad, listened to the wrong part of the community, didn't solicit feedback, and/or just winged each sequel beyond Demon's Souls without making a game the audience wanted comfortable in the fact that all the hype surrounding the property would ensure it would sell.
They made the game they thought was good or didn't care enough because it would sell anyways. It wasn't the game we wanted.
>>337744751
LOL UR JEST B AADD D XDD SOUNDS LIKE UR MADDD XDDD GET GOODDDER? CANT HANDLE THE HEATE GET OUT OF DARK SOULS
THE MOST HARDCORE GAEYM ON THE FACE OF THE PLANIT
>>337759725
>tfw IT HAPPENED AGAIN
>>337757286
>tfw Kung Fu Strike has better combat mechanics than the Souls series
>>337759508
Did you know that it's actually possible to go an entire day without ever randomly throwing the word "literally" into every fucking post for no reason?
>>337757286
Lolno. Weapon balance was better but that's about it. I'm sure everyone misses grinding for caracked red eye orbs.
>>337761159
>grinding for caracked red eye orbs.
Just dupe em on PC
>>337736729
There was this one dude i fought today who used Gundyrs Amor and had the Dark Hand Spell and the Fucking Halberd.
That Dude whooped my ass. He would swing his weapon then legitl send kicks at me in CQC then try to throw in Dark Hand Grabs then followed up with the weapon Art.
I was never so confused in my life. i use an Artorias Build with his greatsword and a dark sword as a 2nd weapon and the kite shield simple infused for unlimited weapon arts.
The dude fought me like the fucking boss but way better. Arty Never stood a chance.
On a side note anyone know why people like using those twinswords buffed up with purple? Really lame seeing it so often
poise seems to work. I back stab someone, as they get up. I attacked them with R1. The hit landed, but still manage to pull off a parry, i died.
My biggest issue with the lack of poise is getting fucking staggered by the goddamn kirks armor.
I love the IronPineapple video but fuck. It's gotten completely out of hand. I've been invaded in Anor Londo 6 times in the last 2 hours and it's been Kirktards with estocs every single time.
>>337761656
>and a dark sword
>finally beat aldrich after getting my ass reamed by him a quintillion times
>feel on top of the world
>get to dancer
>that
>fucking
>grab
Holy shit I take it all back. I take back everything I said about Aldy. Dancer is just fucking bullshit.
>>337757286
cancer
>People actually thinking DS2 was better
It's the zelda cycle all over again, isn't it? Get over yourselves, 2 was the shittiest in the series by far and only the DLC areas were remotely good.
>>337762092
Honestly, what does DS3 do better
Anyone else getting big stutters since the last patch? I never had any issue before but out of nowhere, I'm just getting random huge stutters. It's really annoying. Maybe there was a driver update that fucked everything up.
i got an idea
okay, you balance armor poise such that it's always less than most super big weapons' 2H R1, and some xbox huge weapons' 1H R1, and less than most R2s especially if charged.
AND only have it active during attack, cast, roll, backstep or jump frames.
and probably remove wolf ring or make it do something else, even if poise is useful it'll either be a clear build maker (was not so much in DaS1 because only two ring slots, always had more important options) or not give enough to be useful in the first place.
>>337762353
It's a feature. PC exclusive.
>>337761914
Estoc Faggots, SpearMen, and Sniping Magicians get really fucking annoying when they keep running away and come back and poke my ass and then run again.
I chase them down and cut then down.
Worse dude i fought was some jap fag with the washing pole in clear samuri armor running then doing the running r1 and running away and rinse and repeat.
That faggot deserved the R1 Spam death.
>>337762303
weapon design, weapon weight, armor design, animations, co op, pvp, zone design and shortcuts, graphics, lighting, music, boss mechanics, npc dialogue and interaction, hub design, atmosphere, lore, sense of direction.
Theres more but i'll stop.
>>337737045
what if i'm cosplaying a darkwraith
>>337762303
The areas are more interesting and actually feel connected for the most part, the hub was a nexus meets firelink and kicked the shit out of majula, the bosses are way better, the levels are actually fun to explore and actually have secrets that seem rewarding, the addition of grapes and other covenants make pvp more hectic and fun especially right after the pontiff and in farron, speaking of the covenants they feel more like a part of the world than in 2.
It actually felt like the the other souls games instead of the chinese knock-off feel that 2 had. Also soul memory and deadzones ruined the gameplay in 2 anyway. Adding in the gaping asshole ring didn't do much good.
Though I will say, the DLC in 2 was an incredible step in the right direction. If there was an option to just skip the rest of DS2 and only play the DLC areas I would in a heartbeat
>>337734409
Supposedly some guy on
In other words, Poise in Dark Souls 3 is Agility from Dark Souls 2, only attached on armor stats and given a completely confusing name for some reason.
>>337762353
I thought it was just me, but sometimes the game hangs for like a split second. It's been happening a lot in the past few days.
>>337762353
Yeah, game is unplayable now.
>>337762957
I thought another guy confirmed that was equip load.
>>337762957
>some guy on
That's eur0pa or something similar,the same guy that made DaS2 deadzone fix and the Durability fixthat got some people softbanned
>>337762428
Its all good and stuff but you know what doesnt make sense?
Bloodborne when it came out had
>Magic that needed to balanced to use less bullets since it was that good.
>Terrible Connections and Online Functionality it just didnt work.
>Terrible Long Loading Screens that just said Bloodborne.
>Really bad Framerate Dips.
And most of that was patched it within 1 to 2 months. All those features were fixed quickly.
While Dark Souls 3 has been out since March and nothing has been fucking fixed.
Is From Software not recieving funding to patch the game? Do they just not give a fuck unless ordered to by the big bosses (Sony Studios,Bandai Namco,)?
The fucks going on. Poise should work in someway. It just fucking doesnt. The fucks wrong with From
>>337744751
Could be worse.
>>337738694
i agree that des translates much better to this game.
Damage reduc might alleviate the butthurt over poise being hyperarmor now.
Personally, i'd kill to see a ninjaroll ring ingame, because Backstabs are nerfed now, and light armor/under 30% load needs an actual benefit. I feel light armor just gets you instadunked easier now that all mid and light rolls essentially the same
>>337762690
>tfw arriving in the graves area but now it's dark
>tfw the sun turns into the darksign
>tfw OCELOTTTTTTT
>tfw finding the firekeeper soul and then those blue eyes in the alternate universe and gifting your qt firekeeper for secrets
>tfw finding out there was ANOTHER secret ending
DS2 had nothing cool like this, and didn't even have nearly as good gameplay to make up for it
>>337763378
is that two aldritch faithfuls?
the pvp in this game is fucking pandemonium
>>337763026
It's really weird. Didn't happen AT ALL before. Wonder if they tried to patch out some cheats and ended up fucking something up.
>>337732726
>poise is literally turned off
>Poise is listed as a stat in the game and it isn't even fucking hard to find
>>337763575
Yeah, not very faithful in my opinion.
>>337762690
>weapon design
Look you have a mace. Trade in this boss soul and you get a mace that's fifty times its size and has an obnoxious sprite on it!
>weapon weight
Explain
>armor design
Yes I sure like seeing the same two armors on every single person. Dancer's and Dragonscale. Dark Souls 3 has the worst /fa/ Souls.
>animations
This I agree.
>co op
It's no different from DS2.
>pvp
Are you actually fucking serious? Have you even PLAYED 3's pvp? It's abysmally unbalanced weapon-wise, invaders are at the absolute worst disadvantage, and they brought back hornet ring.
>zone design and shortcuts
It's linearity is right under Demon's Souls. And the fact that you can warp anywhere from the get-go is no different from DS2.
>graphics, lighting
I agree with this one as well.
>music
I can only remember Soul of Cinder's theme, and that's just because of its nostalgia factor in the second phase.
>boss mechanics
What, like attacking the boss until it's dead.
Oh and I'm sure having a boss revive its entire HP bar along with getting a buff is sure fun after the FIRST time it happens in the game.
>npc dialogue and interaction
Explain
>hub design
>a cave
>...
>atmosphere
On the fence on this one.
>lore
LITERALLY NOTHING IMPORTANT HAPPENED, OR WAS REVEALED IN THIS FINAL CHAPTER. What the FUCK are you talking about?
>sense of direction
See >zone design and shortcuts
>>337763765
>Wonder if they tried to patch out some cheats and ended up fucking something up.
That's exactly what they did, seemingly the insta dragon form and disconnecting on hit are gone
>>337745362
>not cheatengine-ing covenant items so you can avoid depending on online to be good
>>337763765
Probably. Hope they patch it out soon.
I'll have to wait a while before I roll my third character for that hidden waifu ending
>>337763289
PCsouls was a mistake.
>>337763481
Firekeeper soul is in normal firelink m8
>>337736168
Shhh.
Don't tell these plebs about perseverance.
>>337755513
you cant dupe shackles.
>>337735023
This guy's logic is sound
>>337763872
I disagree with your point about weapon design (which only curiously seems to be directed at boss items). DS2 was no different. You beat boss, you collect soul, you give to npc for a weapon or magic scroll and the weapon looks all goofy and stuff. Except in 3 you don't have to be in the room with pomf mummies so it's better now in my book.
Also your armor design point seems to only revolve around what people are choosing to wear, not what is available.
And by boss mechanics I do believe he means bosses having different forms or things that are not just whack the monster in the shins like the first archdragon boss or hell even the second one since you have to kill nameless's dragon first.
Also I agree that the npcs in 3 were a lot better written. In 2 you only follow around that one masked chick to different spots until she dies but in 3 you fight alongside multiple npcs like seigward, anri, and sirris. Anri has a branching story and seigward even gets his own cuscene for yhorms bossfight. 2 just didnt have that level of character design or development at all.
>>337735128
you do know that can be parried right
>>337764252
Yeah, I tried to fix it with "and then" but I'm a lazy typist
>>337763481
>>tfw finding out there was ANOTHER secret ending
And finding out it was just as shit and pointless as the others.
>>337763872
>>337764831
Also I'm not sure what he meant by "weapon weight" but it reminds me that I felt very dissatisfied by how weapons hit enemies in 2. It always felt like I wasn't really hitting them, it just felt so floaty to me. 3 felt more solid like 1 imo
>>337765140
Every ending in every souls game is shit.
It's the journey not the destination you fool. Gotta love them secrets even if the hidden prize is a plastic medal that says "good 4 u"
>>337763872
>>weapon design
Im talking mot only visuall, but mechanics, such as variable mechanics, like l2s, changing r2s with WA, charge times, etc.
>weapon weight
ties into animations. every weapon has different swingspeeds, even across the same class. The difference of a few frames actually factors hugely into pvp. this is a mechanic brought back from das1
>armor design
I really like fire witch set, some of the heavier armor, and of course, returning sets redone in higher graphical fidelity.
>co op
its totally different.
Its sl based, OR the non level based password co op held over from bloodborne. its superior in every way to shitty Soul Memory.
>pvp
i've played 600 hours of 2, and im 200 hours into 3.
Dont overlevel like a fag in das3, and you wont get stuck with tryhards.
Its better than 2 where you HAD to overlevel then agape ring. also hyperarmor mechanics.
magic needs a buff, but pyro is hilariously viable. You keep thinking that hornet ring is a bad thing? It punishes bad play anon.
>zone design and shortcuts
warping is not what i was referring to. there are places you can open in level to make path to boss shorter. you can skip to dancer as well.
>music
not liking abyss watchers theme? pleb.
hub design is the nexus again. its nice.
Lore was better at least then das2s "BUT NO ONE REMEMBERED' bullshit. at least it follows up on the fall of anor londo and pontiffs corruption.
But again, it really is a matter of opinion.
>>337733636
Who gives a shit about PVP THAT much
the game is PVE centric
balancing it around PVP exclusively is retarded
>>337765413
i should also add i had 1000 hours in das
and 280 in des, before someone thinks im a das2 apologist.
>>337735209
I played, and still play Dark Souls and don't think there was or is anything wrong with poise.
PVP was fucked because of backstabs. But that's just PVP. Which is less than half of the overall experience.
Is there a reason why a curved greatsword's 2hr1 is parryable? as slow as it is, you'd think that you wouldn't be giving someone a free parry.
>>337765620
>It was never meant to be stand alone portion of the game. It was never meant to be taken so seriously.
The intro cutscene in Demon's Souls is literally about co-oping and invading worlds. It's one of the main features of Souls games,along with player notes and blood stains.
also, pvp covenants.
Please though, by all means keep projecting how much the game is made only for solo pve.
>>337730670
Edits of this clip are always so fucking funny
>>337765249
>Every ending in every souls game is shit.
DeS
>Put the Old One back to sleep
>Become the new Old One
DaS
>sacrifice yourself to prolong the Age of Fire in an explosive wilfire of power
>leave the flame and rule Lordran, usher in the Age of Man, walking past all of the Primordial Serpents praising you
DaS2
>Sit on the throne and become the new King of Drangleic
>Leave the throne and go under the tutoring of Aldia to find a purpose of your own, rather than be tethered to the fate of the curse.
Bloodborne
>Sacrifice yourself to awaken from the terrible nightmare.
>Become the new host of the Dream to aid any new Hunters that pass through.
>Become a new Great One. (Already done in DeS)
DaS3
>sacrifice yourself to prolong the Age of Fire (Already done in DaS), but this time you just sit down and let the flame take you in a boring zoom-out and fade-to-black
>leave the Firekeeper to blow the fire out (why you can't just leave is a mystery, making this scene pointless)
>kill the Firekeeper as she's blowing out the fire because you changed your mind or some bullshit and just hold the fire over your head
>you leave the flame, and a bunch of beginner area hollows and literally-whos bow to you (pretty much already done in DaS, again)
What's a good Greatsword
Farron's is a laugh to watch someone try to spam it's weapon skill to kill me
Asotra feels nice, but I think I can do better.
>>337765920
well, not him but you can play pve all the way through without pvp at all. It's not required to play through the game. However, even if you just constantly invade you can't do it without entering the game in singleplayer. pve is dependent on your pve adventure and not though out of game menus. Therefore, pve is a much bigger part of the game than pvp, but nobody is saying that the game is "made only for solo pve" you're putting words in another anon's mouth.
This entire fucking thread can just be summed up as
>the Estoc is cancer
>>337766215
yes, every ending in every souls game IS shit, just as you've written out there.
Thanks for reminding me how particularly awful DS2's are though
>>337765769
if poise was back i das3, it would still not be as abusable as das1, where poise could give you free hornet backstabs.
although, i really feel in das there are many ways to avoid bs, such as backpedalling.
its its own very different metagame.
Des=Combo and pushlocking, broken buff and hyper builds everything is so broken its balanced
DaS=hypermage, poise combo, ninjaroll, bleed. Positioning is super key, you get a lot of tools
Das2= a lot of builds. but theyre all nerfed. you need agape to not fuck yourself. only one weapon in each class is best, objectively. good cosplay though.
bloodborne= Hyperarmor, des mechanics, tons of weapon moves. some builds didnt exist till dlc.
DaS3= hyperarmor again, same 2hit combo from das2 which is good, tons of varied weapon mechanics like bb, weighty feel like das.
Personally, i like all of them.
>>337766486
I can actually shit on Estoc users pretty reliably with Yhorm's Great Machete
>>337766486
how? it's easily parryable and doesn't even have the arts that the rapier has
>>337766486
Dark Souls III as a whole is cancer and a worse cashgrab than 2.
>>337766654
>any of them being a worse cashgrab than 1
>>337766628
>it's easily parryable
its not
>>337766738
There is no way that From would expect a success from a unknown new IP.
>>337730670
I told you guys Myizaki is very angry that you're all playing his games wrong.
You'll play as a dexfag whether he has to strip the armor/weapons classes out of his games entirely or just make them literally worthless.
That's what's truly "intended".
>>337766843
>it's not
if you suck. Have you ever tried R1 estoc spamming a competent player?
>>337766278
nah its just that people flame and say "pvp is cancer" meanwhile they play pve, then drop the game and move on, while pvp keeps people playing long after finishin the story.
Dissing pvp players has long been a warnable offense on this board, as it is considered flaming.
its not that i care how big a part it is, its just that it IS a part of the game, and some fuckers cant accept that.
>>337766910
>going multiplat for max sheckels
>reusing assets and character from DeS
how soon we forget
>>337739167
Okay no.
No.
I've been maining Farron GS since release day, and you just have no fucking idea how to use your weapon. Actually PLAY with an UGS and learn where your armor is.
>>337766996
I'd think the animosity would stem from the threads upon threads whining about minute changes that somehow affect the pvp, along with the perceived notion that pvp-focused players are minmaxing tryhards.
Of course, people who whine and complain on any side will always be obnoxious and will invalidate their own points with their shitty meme statements.
>>337767081
>expecting big money from the extreme niche audience of demon's souls
It's a fucking miracle that Dark Souls grew to be as popular.
>>337745462
>you could chug in arenas
At least chugging was punishable in DaS 2
Meanwhile you can gain 10 of distance and sip away in DaS3, they can't even reach you fast enough to get a backstab in.
>>337767368
yes, good goyim! please buy our miracle game...
prepare to buy-- er, die!
>>337767551
could invaders use estus in DS2?
>>337733189
Why the hell is the accepted SL so low?
Build variety must be ass.
>>337734640
>she
>>337767260
I started using the wolf greatsword. Shit sucked bad. But then i went thru new game plus with it and learned the distance and timing of the swings.
The R1 WeaponArt To punish people who roll into you. R2 Weapon Art to Punish R2 Chargers and people who use some sort of spin spear weapons.
But who has time to learn this stupid shit besides me a no life.
R1 Spamming Dark Sword is easier to use and win with. And on top of that victory rates are about the same for me. 70 percent give or take.
Without Poise Heavy Builds are worthless and just for show.
Farrons GS is trash. Every user ive ever met i beat. Block the first strike. Roll to the right on the second. Then strafe into the back during the third strike and get a BackStab.
Then back away and land a running R1 or R2 and the duels over.
>>337767743
>all that thought
my first character had a claymore through the whole game and I just spammed R1 at every invader and won
>>337767557
>it was da joos
>>337752405
Or they could design the game better so that a tank class doesn't have to play like a fucking dex/ninja build to survive some pussy dogs. You know, just maybe the two classes which invest completely different should be able to play their own roles... crazy, I know.
>>337767890
impossible, the jews fear the samurai
>>337767923
>he actually got hit by the dogs
are you playing with your eyes closed or only one hand?
>>337765620
In fact, anon, It's been the case that balancing for PVP has ruined entire builds and playthroughs in previous souls games. It's made shit underpowered as hell in PVE and just not fun anymore to play with because of less utility.
>>337767743
Okay, obviously you've only met total faggots then. I've been 1v2ing every single mother fucker that walks into the swamp and let me say one thing.
The Farron GS is popular for how cool it is. It's a good weapon though, and probably the only good UGS for PVP. The trick though, is to ignore everything you've learned and not lock on. Holy shit, people who anime spin while locked on are horrible.
>>337738153
Because that's a small portion of the game and the fact that all the covenant rewards can be earned in singleplayer anyways so their is no reason to even play any specific covenant, just pick any one and it's the same. You can co - op and invade without a covenant and all the covenants play the same as just not having one at all. Simple as that.
>tfw invading as a grape soda phantom in Aldrich's Front Yard of Infinite Cuckery
>red phantoms on my left
>aldrich faithfuls on my right
>giants
>flaming faggot satan worshippers
>that one guy who still hasn't killed the drangs
>invade once in archdragon peak for shits and giggles
>chasing this faggot priest around the upper level
>one blue
>two blues
>get ganked to all fuck and die like a bitch
Is this what From wanted?
>>337744684
Basically this. Hell, especially prevalent on new game+. Hyper Armor is fucking useless there.
>>337740985
That's illogical anyways. Being punished with death for attempting to pull off a manuever that's far more skillful and requires far better timing than spamming roll should absolutely not be punish with death.
Roll spammers aren't punished with death. Why should a parry bait be?
>>337739295
No kidding. The fact that a glass cannon sorcery in DaS3 is like a decent sorcery in other DaS games is nuts.
Even with ALL the buffs stacked I still deal less then only using half the buffs in DaS1... wth?
>>337768817
>finally find archdragon
>literally as i make my first step "invaded by TuRb0FaGg0T"
>kites me to the hidden sneks
>ganked to death
shit goes both ways
Aldritch's porch is a fucking fantastic hell
>>337769289
It's kind of hilarious that with over 40int the only useful magic is still crystal magic weapon on my estoc
Poise was perfect in DS2
Just try to dispute me. I fucking dare you.
>>337739632
Not just that, but cast speed needs a buffing and FP cost on some spells. Why do some spells cost more than Crystal Soul Spear but deal far less and have less utility and longer cast time? Why even use the damn spell then?
>>337740541
Because it seems From's hey day is over. Their just like all the other homogenized companies now that they've acquired main stream status. They just don't care anymore. Time to find another game.
>>337731485
>sl150
There are actual shitters that think 120 isn't overboard and go even higher?
>>337730670
>people complaining about poise or how armor doesnt affect defense that much anymore
I'm loving this Dark Souls ridden of casual Havels.
>>337769727
>From's day is over
>when they're going to make another gorillion dollars through the 2 DLC's being released, that will undoubtedly be as quality as all previous DLC's
>when they're not far from announcing their next project that will sell like fucking hotcakes because of all of the Soulsborne hype, despite whether it's good or not
Try it again in 2 years.
>>337769386
>crystal hail buffed
>cast it at wall with 10 stationary hollows
>hits none of them
High Lord Wolnir is fucking destroying me it's getting annoying and there haven't been any summon signs anywhere for hours... Someone please help I'm lvl 45
Do people actually run into nothing but Estoc users? I usually run into people using twinblades, greatswords, longswords, greataxes, and the occasional ultra greatsword. I rarely see estocs or rapiers.
>>337770030
what enhancement do you have on your estoc/dark sword?
lmao kiddos fucking rekt
based a-team
>>337770107
>summons
haha faggot
>>337770157
>not using the claymore
still the best after all these years
>>337770107
Just fucking 2 hand and destroy his AIDS awareness bracelets, holy shit.
>>337770107
>no summon signs
>for hours
do you have shitty internet?
that area glows like a fucking lightbulb on my every playthrough
Is Thrall Hood possibly the most /fa/ piece of headgear?
>>337770513
Dancer's helm for that flow
>there are people who think hyperarmor can fully replace poise
Do you think hyperarmor will fucking save you from ganksquads? Have you given up on invasions entirely and only do honorable reddit approved duels now? Do you enjoy eating shit from little dogs, rats, and daggers?
>hypaharmor is ok though it werks fine in 1v1 duels with no outside factors
Stay fucking sheltered.
>>337770691
Oh I don't give a shit about PvP. I play exclusively offline.
>>337769829
I thought SL 120 was the normal. For Dark Souls.
SL150 was for bloodborne some famous youtube argued it with a heavy russian accent and his friend Praise the Sun.
I forgot the logic behind it. But it was something to do with every weapon having equal split dmge or the health penalities or something stupid.
And the simple truth was all you needed to domintate Bloodborne PVP was 40 Vit. 20 Endurance. 40/40 Split (Skill and BloodTinge) and 15 Arcane for base spells. My level was like 90 something before going to 120 for shits and gigles.
After thats set up unlock the Bolt, Firepapers, Lead Elixers.
And then Farm Max level Bloodgems and the 15, 10 Health Rune and the 20 stamina rune. And from then on your a god of PVP. I would go on like 30 win streaks before getting bored.
Bloodbornes PVP was all about how much effort you put into PVE to unlock items. Once you did the work nothing can beat you not even gank squads.
If i could take my Bloodborne Character and put him in DAS3 it would be curbstomp. It would prolly take 5 on 1 to win.
>>337750063
How the fuck can anyone defend UGS by saying "outrange them"?
Those short swords and broad swords outrange or equal the damn Ultra weapons...
>>337770691
Maybe you should stop getting hit then. Nerd.
>>337770943
This
you'll never out range them when the range difference is so low and your swing is so fucking slow, they'll always have the close up on you like every fight is.
The only true ranged classes are mages and pyros
>>337770947
Sure, its easy to not get hit in a 1v1 duel, which is why people go "hyperarmor is just fine!!! poise will break the game!!!"
But when you're fighting 3 people, its very easy for one of them to catch you midroll as you weave between two people's attacks.
>>337762303
Well character and animation design is better. Weight and feel of combat is better, level design is also better. But outside of that everything including pve encounters, overall world design (not levels individually) and bosses are every bit as bad in most cases as Dark Souls 2.
Stack this on top of the fact that there are more reused ideas and content than Dark Souls 2. The Lothric Castle and its enemies being carbon recycles of Demon Souls castle and blue/red eyed knight archetypes. Then the whole, "you can't progress all the way into the castle until you beat x amount of lords of cinder" is even worse than the gating of Demon's Souls castle.
On top of this it's the smallest of the 3 Souls games in terms of content and areas. I mean, it really is still slightly better than DaS2 but it plays it so safe without deviation and still manages to fuck everything up that I would rather play DaS2 sometimes. Still DaS1 is best unfortunately. Or just play Bloodborne if you only have PS4. It's the best of the PS4 Souls games.
>>337771257
Hyper armor is so hard to actually execute, people always see your swings coming and can just roll through it. Couple that with not every greatsword getting hyper armor makes swining successively and successfully difficult as shit
>>337763289
I think what it boils down to, is that Miyazaki was just tired of Souls.
He said it when making Bloodborne. Then "backpedaled" when making DaS3 and said he was excited to come back. But I think the first statement remained true. DaS3 shows a lack of new (and good) ideas and that they just don't give a fuck anymore.
They need to move on and make a new spiritual successor so they can do some good stuff. Get away from Souls.
>>337762303
Gonna be real honest, I think DaS3 had the best overall level designs in the game franchise period.
Cathedral of the deep blew my mind at how perfect it was. It was a multilayered level with a moat section, graveyards section, rooftop section, indoors section, rafters, ALL WITH ONE BONFIRE. Other levels were also just so consistently well designed to me, with various paths like undead settlement or farron keep, irithyll dungeon. The quality was CONSISTENT FOR ONCE, which is something the other two DaS lacked.
I also think bosses were consistently the best in the series, starting from the very first boss, there were no shitty baby bosses that reappear later as common mobs in DaS3. Maybe DeS can compare, but DaS3 was less gimmicky.
With DaS3 getting some pvp balance patches, and if they ever add the cut content in DLC I'm pretty sure it's going to be my favorite one yet.
>>337734203
THE HAVEL FLIPPING WASN'T A SYSTEMATIC PROBLEM WITH POISE
IT WAS A PROBLEM WITH ENDURANCE COMBINING STAMINA WITH EQUIP LOAD
NOW THAT THEY ARE SEPARATE STATS, IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM
HOW ARE YOU ALL THIS FUCKING RETARDED
>>337772079
Yeah, it does. It's just too bad it didn't have the DaS1 interconnectivity to boot.
That moat could have linked to some other level because it felt very segmented otherwise from the rest of Cathedral and didn't really go anywhere else.
>>337772079
the chapel bonfire in the cathedral is the only one in the game with a gauntlet between it that was akin to DS1 and running it is probably the hardest in the game at appropriate levels
You barely even can run it - from the bonfire you got the GY, a leech guy on the bridge, a grave warden, then estus throwers xbowmen and various hollows, you get to the roof covered with thralls assisted by a big halberdier, more estus throwers/suiciders and it ends with 2 grave wardens as you enter the cathedral proper and they'll chase you in
Good luck
>>337772079
the bosses also felt thematically appropriate
like why was there a two headed lizard man in a ghost boat it makes no sense
>>337772256
Dexfags are braindead, mate.
Theyre butthurt that they werent able to stunlock forever in ds1 and 2
>>337771904
>Hyper armor is so hard to actually execute
How so? I use the Murakumo all the time and I just swing. If they're using anything other than an ultra greatsword or greataxe they get stunlocked, otherwise we trade hits and since curved greatswords have a faster swing, I get the second hit off faster and win that trade.
>>337772256
You have to remember who're you're arguing with when you're talking to an anti-poise fag
These are the guys who couldn't help themselves from walking straight into zweihander swings trying to trade with a guy who has more poise and more poise break than they do and then when they get stunlocked on the first swing they say its because poise is broken
And then they go back to DS2 since it's a shining example of balance and fun gamepaly
>>337772079
Several bosses are shitty in this game.
>Crystal Sage
>Oceiros who just runs around and has a stagger that makes is useless and unpunishable
>Old Demon King
>Deacons of the Deep is a joke and serves no really good purpose other than to force you to do the Cathedral of Deep to progress
>Yhorm the Giant unfortunately
>Dancer
>Ancient Wyvern gimmick
>Cursed Rotwood
Their are actually only a few really good bosses but most are okay and half are horrible/mediocre.
Also Crystal Sage comes back as a normal mob later. And even though the Stray Demons are minibosses they are essentially normal mob versions of Old Demon King in every way except he has a couple of moves they don't.
I don't know what game you played.
The only really exceptional bosses were Dragonslayer Armour and Nameless King.
>>337772742
>How so?
its the mix of hyperarmor activating late into the swing, getting stunned before hyper armor kicks in and the fact that your swings are so slow that enemies have already rolled
>>337772861
Shut the fuck up not every fight has to be vs Artorias
Not liking Demon king, greatwood, yhorme, sage, oceiros, and ancient wyvern? Sorry you got that shit taste bud
>>337765854
As much of a reason as why vertical slashing UGS weapons 2HR1s are parryable.
>>337773028
No they don't, but even the ones that are more humanoid in this game are ass. BTW notice I didn't say Farron knights were good... That's essentially artorias in a nutshell.
>>337772861
You say those bosses are shitty, and list Dragonslayer Armour and Nameless King.
You seem to think "gimmicky" is shitty, but quite frankly I thought all those bosses were greatexcept demon king was undoubtably complete shit. Oceiros is meh but redeemed by his dialogue, and deacons is a hilarious enough fight that its enjoyable nonetheless.
Every other boss you listed were all unique, had some great atmosphere/music, and felt different to fight in their own way. Not every fight has to be a difficult, aggressive one, sometimes just figuring out the gimmick is the challenge.
>>337773320
>That's essentially artorias in a nutsehll
ok so you've never played Ds1
>>337744684
Im in ng++ with mornes hammer and the wrath of god move seems to give pretty big damage reduction. Probably similar moves do the same.
>>337773065
>vertical slashing UGS weapons 2HR1s are parryable
I thought all UGS 2-hand attacks weren't parryable?
>>337738268
>Learn to use hyper armor.
Poise IS hyperarmor
>>337740738
You can.
>>337734254
The only times I ever got backstabbed on DS1 was when I got frustrated and started doing dumb shit
>>337772861
man I would hate to play video games like this. Do you just go around criticizing everything? I had so much fun with all the bosses, even wolnir
>>337772861
If those bosses are shitty then the bosses in das2 and 1 are absolute dogshit
Seriously if we stay in the series then DaS3 had the best bossesRight after Bloodborne with DLC
>>337772353
Pretty much the only time you CAN'T run through everything in this game is when the mobs track you all the way to the bonfire, and even then it usually lets you light it (or the mobs back off inexplicably). The fact that you're invulnerable when operating doors/levers is probably the #1 reason for this and needs to be tweaked to discourage skipping everything, IMO. In the case of Cathedral it's even easier because all of the monsters gather up at the door while you're invincible - including the suicide bombers, who (hilariously) will blow up all of the other monsters but not you. Even when it doesn't kill the Carthus wardens there's a lift like 5 seconds away that they won't follow you down so I'm not sure what the problem is.
>>337777290
You can't just quit/save/reload the game and the mobs won't be aggro anymore.
Speed runners abuse the shit out of this.
>>337777705
I meant CAN obviously.
Also
>>337777776
>>337777778
>>337777290
>Even when it doesn't kill the Carthus wardens there's a lift like 5 seconds away that they won't follow you down
Oh they do follow you down. I've tried just running through the game and they usually run off the edge of the lift and fall to their deaths right after it reaches the bottom.
