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>>337288674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1bfgARmuGQ
http://store.steampowered.com/app/289070/
https://twitter.com/CivGame
http://www.pcgamer.com/civilization-6-everything-you-need-to-know/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/11/three-ways-sid-meiers-civilization-6-radically-reinvents-itself-city-building-science-and-diplomacy
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/civilization-6-revealed-brings-major-changes/1100-6439691/
>that art direction
I can't.
this would be great for my iPad!
>>337301280
any word on the AI not being shit?
hope the music's good
What civ waifu are you hoping for the most?
I hope they add our The Maid of Orléans.
>>337301280
those trees look like absolute shit
So, which female leaders will be shoved into the game this time? Better get your list of empress-consorts.
>>337301280
It looks like plastic
>be me 2 weeks ago
>get that hunger to play sum civ
>DL and install 4 because 5 is shit
>shits fun
>today
>see trailer for 6 at work
>so happy I bought the expansions for 4 on steam
I didn't actually read what was in them all, anyone know what the major things BYS and WL brings in 4? I noticed some spy shit and thats it so far
All I want is for Wonders in coastal cities to not appear in the fucking water.
Oh, and give India a real ruler instead of meme-Gandhi.
Why is the map so colorful and smooth? Why would they do that? This is a step back from Cov V.
looks bad
>>337301625
It should at least be better in BE since they actually bothered creating a new engine this time instead of trying to tack on new mechanics and hope for the best.
>>337301869
They might not seeing how they actually take up tile space
>>337301869
Ashoka.
>>337301869
Nuclear Gandhi is the most important meme in the history of civilization though.
If they added the Mughals with Akbar though that would be pretty cool.
>>337301280
nice looking game. It will run on my samsung galaxy ace, right?
>I start interning with Firaxis on Monday
Well, that's some fucking awesome timing
>>337301869
I always liked those. I tried to create my own headcanon for why my civ would build wonders in the sea.
>>337300960
I've always though that one of Japan's abilities should have been "Can always found a pantheon" and "always benefits from pantheon regardless of dominant religion"
>>337301869
You have to place wonders on tiles, so that definitely won't happen.
>>337302118
And your Samsung Gear. ;)
Endless games > Civ games
What the fuck happened?
>>337301785
Harriet Tubman for US
>>337302063
I don't think Indians would like a Muslim leader.
>>337301280
has anyone else noticed these cliffs
perhaps you can't embark those so easily?
Age of Mythology looks better than that.
>>337301280
Lets casualize civ more!
>>337301785
If Merkel leads Germany in the game as well, I'll suicide.
>>337302443
>Asia has no Everest-Himalayan type mountains
Retardation happened, clearly.
>>337302624
different tree colour/ style, eg certain trees only grow on certain continents
So who else is going to just stick with Civ 5 for the next few years?
Civ 6 is gonna be utter shit when it comes out. It'll take a couple years for it to become playable.
>>337302703
Jesus, that looks terrible. Are those palm trees jungle?
Get rid of city-states, they were always shit and you had to pay shit ton of gold only to see them lose interest in you 3 turns later, the bonuses they gave you were never worth to ally them.
>>337302785
if Merkel was the leader her game would end within 10 turns after being overrun by barbarians
>>337302607
they should have thought of that before they let themselves get conquered by muslims
>>337302703
>perhaps you can't embark those so easily?
oh shit that's interesting. I just assumed it was the Gibraltar natural wonder
there's literally nothing wrong with the graphics
>>337302961
>I never played Civ 5 the post
>>337301528
I expect them to use modern hardware capabilities to have ai make better decisions
>>337303070
>we want the Clash of Clans audience
As long as the game still has as much or more content, the changes to the interface and aesthetic are perfectly fine
>>337301280
Who here disappointed as shit!?
Cartoony graphics and pretty much just civ 5 2.0. Nothing really groundbreaking or unique.
This game is looking shit so far.
>>337302961
What the fuck, man.
>>337303196
I was at first thinking Dreamworks made a Civ game but you're more correct I think.
So will the game have religion and espionage or will we still have to wait for DLCs to have that shit?
>>337303268
>it's an "anons haven't seen gameplay and are already making extremely cynical assumptions" game
Mostly worried.
>not dropping 1-unit-per-tile or adding attrition, just being lazy and letting people have 2 units
>art style looks like a flash game
>$80 for base game
Admittedly many more things could be revealed, I'm just saying with what they've shown so far (very little) it looks mostly bad. Time for more Civ IV mods I guess. Can't get excited for the current stuff.
>>337303310
the stuff from the dlcs is supposed to be in.
>>337302773
Pretty much this.
>>337302443
>Africa arctic
>>337303363
do teens only use the official steam forums or something? their writing is such garbage
>>337303310
everything from civ 5 and dlcs is in with improvements/adjustments
>>337303150
Not him, but I hate how every game turns into a contest to see who can rub all the city states' dicks the most
>>337303381
What is there to "see" for gameplay? Everyone knows how Civilization is played and how it works.
Don't know what to tell you, read the interviews where they talk what's new with the game, I guess.
>>337303363
So if I don't like the cartoon aesthetic I am just as dumb as that dude?
>>337303484
>adjustments != improvements
Literally looks the console Civilsation Revolution game, released back in two thousand-fucking-eight.
>>337303409
>>337303484
You're kidding right?
They're actually doing that?
I remember every game since Civ III had the religion and espionage added in via DLC, are they ending that tradition?
Some leaders got spoiled:
Abd al-Rahman I - Spain
Suleiman I - Greece
Haile Selassie - Sweden
>>337303507
no you're just being a whiney cynical cunt for the sake of being a whiney cynical cunt
Will we ever get another baby yeti?
>>337303576
Sadly, you're 100% right.
>>337303507
no, I'm not sure I like it either but his post was shit
I think my biggest problem with it is that the trees look like absolute shit
it's hard for me to pinpoint what it is exactly I dislike about it though
So how many years do we have to wait for all the expansions that fix the game?
>>337303363
>Civ
>Realistic
It's a boardgame that uses the concept of history to suit its gameplay.
What's the point of Civ now that there are better 4x games like the Endless series and GS are better than ever?
>>337303576
wow, you are actually right. Well, it looks like an updated version of it, but still.
>>337303381
You don't need to play to point out the graphics style is garbage.
>>337303725
You keep trying too hard.
>>337303397
base game is 60
>>337301280
>can see underwater
This is good.
>those mountains
>that inconsistency between buildings and trees
That's bad.
>>337303835
For my region it's $80. Over 100 for the deluxe edition. Based on what I see so far I'd never get it on release anyway, just get the gold edition when it launches and pirate it until then.
Can't support bad changes at full price.
>>337303801
I don't mind it.
That's also not a reason to completely disregard an entire game.
>>337303576
Yup, my first thought too.
>>337303948
It's a sign that the rest is going to be bad.
Holy shit people.
If you're going to sperg out about the art style, just play the fucking game in tactical view mode.
Think of how shit the new tile management would look in 5's engine
>>337303363
>someone over 18 wrote this.
>>337303948
There is no reason to COMPLETELY disregard (or support) the game based on what's known.
The stuff I've seen is mostly bad though but it's not everything.
>>337303948
If I'm going to be looking at something for several hours, it better look relatively good.
And "good" is relative. SMAC still looks good. I was playing Civ IV a bit ago, still looks good.
This looks like mobileware shit.
>>337304098
What?
Civ IV looks great to me. The art design on this looks like a mobile game though.
>inb4 this appears on iOS/Android
>>337304160
>SMAC looking good
Yeah you're totally full of shit
It sounds good honestly. Cities now have districts, research is more specialized, you can have support units on the same tile instead of strictly 1upt, and there more environmental considerations.
If only they'll give us some better AI.
Looks like they want it to run on tablets.
Mobile market is the new console fags. Pc games have to take 8 steps back to run on your phone.
>>337303363
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>>337304259
>not appreciating 1999's aestetics
Bitch please. Pharaoh and SMAC still look good.
>>337304105
women are emotional children
it's either a woman who thinks she's deep in nerd culture or a hormonal mtf
>>337304191
In 5 the game couldn't even draw the wall of china right most of the time. The new look should let you quickly identify stuff like wonders and city buildings way better than the last game
>>337303363
>realism
>Civilization series
>>337303484
>improvements/adjustments
CIV IV is shit compared to it's predecessor. So far, the fourth game, with it's expansions, is by far the best game they've made in th series. The mechanics hasn't yet been simplified to make the game more accessible, and the AI can actually handle combat reasonably well.
When are they going to add a Canadian civ? We may be irrelevant but I want to play as Sir John A. MacDonald and build a great Canadian empire dammit.
>>337304358
I know... I just wish that Civilization wouldn't have fallen prey to this.
Guess some dedicated indie studio could save 4X.
>>337304358
>60 dollars on PC
>only 15 dollars on handheld with time gated turns
whoo boy
>>337302607
Ackbar invented his own religion, you twat.
>>337301280
>Mfw Paradox did a better "Civ in space" than Firaxis.
I hope they do their dream game: A GS game that spans the dawn of men to modern days.
It's going to BTFO CIV so hard...
>>337304624
>CIV IV is shit
>So far, the fourth game, with it's expansions, is by far the best game
Not sure how to respond.
>>337301696
As long as Isabella looks as C U T E in 6 as she does in 5, it's all good mane
>those graphics
do they plan on making this a mobile app?
Do the tile graphics change when you have a citizen working them like they did in Civ IV? That was one of my favorite parts.
And the civ leaders changing their clothes based on what era they were in.
>>337304626
Play IV (or V if you're retarded) with mods.
>>337304730
IV is garbage without warlords and bts to be fair
>>337302961
>the bonuses they gave you were never worth to ally them.
>>337301280
Does it still have the same pro-environmentalist "Love mother nature or suffer massive civ penalties" bullshit consistent with the series?
Can you play as Hitler yet? Whether it's Muhnarrative!Hitler the genocidal maniac who attacks innocent groups of people for not being aryan or Historical!Hitler the guy who wants a German Germany for the German people and who sends people with ties to hostile foreign groups (such as communist revolutionaries, or international bankers) to prison camps during wartime?
I do like the limestone pyramids tho.
>>337304786
It looks like it.
>>337304858
So you're saying Civ IV is the worst and best before and after its expansions? I don't think that makes sense.
hopefully online isn't a fuckfest of desyncs and crashes again
>>337304626
Canada is barely a nation, let alone a civilization
t.Canadian
>shitty animatic trailer
>graphics look mobile game-tier
This game looks cheap as fuck.
>>337304730
>>337304624
>CIV IV is shit compared to it's predecessor
That's supposed to be Civ V, the fifth game.
>>337305157
Alright, then I agree completely.
>>337304935
I wasn't him but I'm kind of agreeing, Civ IV was the worst vanilla and it's by far the best with all of its expansions
I'm pretty sure he meant V was the worst then 4 with expansions is the best
>>337304908
epic. simply epic.
>>337301280
Didn't the Dev from 5 shit all over it? Is he working on this one too?
>>337305146
This is some normie site
>PC_Gamer
Ah, yep. Knew it before I looked.
>>337301280
Imma laugh if Nelson "War criminal that runs the country into the ground" Mandela is considered a leader.
>>337305308
http://kotaku.com/5985186/lets-rank-the-civilization-games-best-to-worst
>>337305393
>kotaku
I'll never know what they said.
>>337305348
I'll laugh harder if someone considers South Africa a civilization at all.
>>337304728
> Paradox did a better "Civ in space"
Stellaris is civ in space?
>>337304705
These are getting better and more elaborate.
>>337303184
It'd be nice if you could choose the AI's intelligence and also it's mechanical advantages.
So instead of requiring the AI to get +50% nutrients, minerals and energy in order to unlock its Not Retard mode, it'd be nice if you could set the AI to Not Retard at +0% bonuses.
Will best slut be in game?
>>337303363
i think the artstyle is meant to help new players distinguish the geographical features from each other. bright colours and simple shapes are also easier to make while still conveying the same message
there is literally nothing wrong with this kind of artstyle if it means we'll have more interaction with the terrain. if anything it helps keep things somewhat legible when the whole map is covered with cities and armies
modders will also have a very easy time imitating that artstyle so new content will spring up faster. stop freaking out before we even get to see how the gameplay works
>>337305476
well south africa does tend to make it's own everything really
weapons, cars, clothes, etc
they're not a great civilization but you could put them in as a weird estranged uncle of a civilization
>>337301280
>Instead, Firaxis has created the concept of 12 different types of color-coded Districts (five or six of which will be available from the beginning) that exist on their own tiles on the map, outside the city center and will house specific building types. “A science district, which we’ve called a campus, once constructed will allow you to put a library and a university and a research lab out on that tile. And now your city is sort of specialized toward being a really good science city,” says Beach.
Uh, isn't this straight from Endless Legend?
>tablet graphics
PEOPLE FELL FOR THE PASCAL MEME FOR THIS
>>337305728
There is an estrategic view for all that m8. They'll remove eye candy because fuck you.
>>337305801
I think it's been done before Endless did it
>>337305146
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri was top tier.
Though I do wish that Support for units was more global rather than per-city.
Anyone have that civ roulette?
I feel like killing some time tonight.
Good thing this looks like shit or else I'd be regretting my Stellaris purchase right about now
>>337305728
This. Everything being monotone and blending together is going to make distinguishing terrain and improvements a clusterfuck.
If what they're saying about the terrain being more interactive and impactful on the gameplay is true, this kind of aesthetic is kind of necessary.
Still think they could add more trees to the forests and jungles though so this doesn't look so SPORE.
>>337305974
I'm wanting to get Stellaris. Would you recommend?
>>337305949
Sometimes I wish they would just remake SMAC.
Then I look at Beyond Earth and desperately hope that they don't.
>>337305974
>purchasing stellaris
senpai…
>>337305801
Not really, Endless Legend didn't have specialized boroughs, just boroughs.
There were wonder boroughs for each aspect of the FIDSI though that did that kind of stuff but only one could exist in the world of each type.
I think the newest expansion might have changed it a bit but I don't have it.
>>337305957
Can I help you make a good decision?
Just download http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=288570 and enjoy.
>>337305728
>bright colours and simple shapes because bloo-bloo goo-goo-gaa-gaa
Literal fucking babies, fuck this gay earth.
>>337305476
m8 we got Mali, Thailand, the Celts, the Zulus, and Holland.
At this point I'd be surprised if Australia doesn't get added in, with their unique unit the Shitposter to replace diplomats/missionaries
>>337305974
This won't be out for another 5 months.
Pretty sure you're run out of Stellaris mileage before then unless they do some extensive content/gameplay updates.
>>337306018
>this view already exist
>not even the devs care about it
I always play with strategic view on, it's pretty comfy and easy on the gpu
>>337306018
>>337305728
I think they're trying to copy blizzard's philosophy with hearthstone's graphics where it's easier to see what's going on for both new players and people watching on a stream.
>>337306057
It's worth a pirate at least. Watching your empire get big is pretty fun.
>>337305728
>>337306018
I completely agree. So many times in Civ V I've had enemy units sneak up on me simply because my eyes would just completely pass over them being buried in some muddle
>>337301280
>hexes
>1UPT
>Clash of Clans art
Lads, I've bought every Civ since 2.
And I'm done. This is too much. It's dead.
>>337306292
I can't stand it to be honest. I don't like looking directly down at the map like that.
You might as well just play gsg if you're going to remove all the immersion.
>>337306265
There will probably be $500 worth of DLC between then and now
>>337306413
nothing wrong with hexes
also you can merge support units together with main soldier units and stuff
>>337306098
Xcom remake "Procedural maps? more than 6 units? Flattening the map? Lol you think you do but you don't"
IM HORNY SHORT FOR THE HORNED REAPER IM CHUMS WITH THE DUNGEON KEEPER
Doom! Now with "Press X to awesome" mini-cutscenes and a slower walking speed, because god damn fuck gameplay
Fallout 3
>>337304861Salut, connard
>>337306417
>immersion
spotted the roleplaying faggot
>>337306456
Civ 6 is being made by Paradox Interactive? <g>
>>337306413
I like hexes and 1UPT better than stacks of doom honestly. Those are the changes I actually like from IV to V
>>337306309
>watching someone stream civ
Why
>>337306717
It's Current Year.
Why play video games when you have twitch.tv and youtube where you can watch video games?
>>337306717
I have no idea
probably vying to get more sales
>>337303583
How on earth is it a bad thing
>>337306637
stellaris is made by paradox
>>337304705
This could easily be a real ad.
>>337301280
Their trailer had to censored this painting. kek
https://youtu.be/c1bfgARmuGQ?t=47s
>>337306873
No it's a good thing.
It's just completely unbelievable.
>>337306907
american prudishness at work
>>337306873
I think he's trying to say that Civ6 having everything that Civ5+DLC had is too good to be true.
It's what SHOULD happen, but not what will happen.
>>337306907
man north english accents are not suitable for this kind of thing
>>337307220
Yeah what else are they going to be able to offer in the DLCs other than the same shit they've offered in every game before?
This means they'll have to actually come up with new ideas for once in their entire career.
>>337307427
I think DLC that are focused on specific time periods are fine.
Industrial and Modern age are always difficult to make interesting in vanilla and usually they do a good job of adding what needs to be added.
However, Religion needs to be Day 1. It won't be, with the excuse being they "didn't have time," but fuck that.
Also oceans need to be way more interesting, not some "you can't improve these tiles at all" empty space.
>>337307427
Ocean/underwater cities I hope. I never understood why this couldn't be a thing in mainstream Civ even when you reach the era of Death Robots and XCOM drop squads.
>>337307662
Religions, Espionage and Trade have all been confirmed as Day 1 features.
>>337304908
all those jewish farmers and working class people surely had the same ties to communism and the new world order as the rich ones right?
remember to sign the petition
https://www.change.org/p/firaxis-games-ask-firaxis-to-change-civ-6-s-cartoony-graphics?recruiter=539937170&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
what have you got to lose?
>>337307902
are you serious?
>>337307964
literally no downside
>>337307818
Where is the proof
>>337307669
>mining ocean trenches
>exploiting costal reefs, atolls, and seamounts for food and gold
>whaling and ivory system where you have to manage not over exploiting them
>in endgame fighting over the last bits of oil under the arctic ice
>ocean cities, tidal power plants, and kelp farms just like SMAC
It'd be beautiful.
>>337307902
only my dignity
>>337307818
Source?
>>337307990
fucking lol
>>337307902
What if I like the graphics
>>337308152
Download Clash Clans free now on the App Store or Google Play store!
I wouldn't mind random events coming back.
>>337308301
It depends how they do it. It should at least make some sense based on circumstances, so you don't grow unbelievably sick of them.
>>337308301
Didn't Civ III have volcanoes and shit?
I mostly played only V and not much of the other ones.
>>337308363
Just something to throw off monotony.
Political
>Low happiness and personal opinion leads to revolutionists (barbarians) spawning near cities.
Environmental
>Volcanoes cause population to decrease by later grant fertile soils
>Tsunamis decimate coastal towns but you can spin international aid
Or just purely random events with +/- thing.
>>337306669
I agree but the problem with 1UPT is that the AI has no idea what the fuck to do with em. At least stacks of doom gave the AI a fighting chance. Conquest victories in 5, even on the highest level, were a joke.
>>337308009
Hell, a game where resources could actually deplete instead of being infinite would change so much
Guys how much for the full version on launch (all factions, scenarios, etc)?
$80? $90
>>337301280
Graphics haven't grown on me. I really preferred the more realistic backdrop of V. The promo art also seems pretty at odds with the weirdly saturated mobile tier visuals.
>>337308664
It might be a problem with people who enjoy the 'one more turn' thing.
A compromise could be resources having a chance of disappearing from overuse.
>>337305728
>stop freaking out before we even get to see how the gameplay works
I'll I've said is that I'm predicting a shitty game.
Nobody can say with certainty for a long time yet. Also the art style blows chunks but it's entirely subjective, there's no accounting for (your shit) taste.
>>337301696
Not Civ 6, but it was a real kick in the balls when BE came out and I saw the leaders
They were so bland and forgettable, it was really disappointing, especially since SMAC, even if some of the ideas were absolutely retarded, had such lovable leaders
I think the secret agenda and the personality thing will make the campaign much more fun, but if the leaders themselves aren't interesting, I just don't think it'll work
Pick related, Aki is my autismo waifu
>>337307818
Now prove it! That's the tougher part.
>>337308034
>>337307991
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/11/three-ways-sid-meiers-civilization-6-radically-reinvents-itself-city-building-science-and-diplomacy
>Despite being rebuilt from the ground up, Beach promises that unlike most of its predecessors, Civilization 6 won’t be stripped down to its bare essentials in its initial release form. We can expect a set of features that’s comparable to what’s currently in Civilization V in its post-expansion state, including trade, religion, archeology, espionage, Great Works, Culture Victory, and more.
>>337304908
No you can't play as Hitler. Any art depicting him is a serious crime in Merkel Land. Needless to say this game has to move units everywhere (no pun intended).
>>337309126
>“We have almost all of that in there,”
>almost
What a difference a word can make.
>>337309207
>>337309184
Checkmate.
>>337309126
>We can expect a set of features that’s comparable
>Comparable
Streamlined shit.
>>337309340
Yeah exactly. Phrasing is important, looks like some people are falling for it though. That's all they hope for.
>>337302063
>>337302607
They should split India into multiple civs, like the Mauryans and the Mughals.
>>337304218
Some people are saying this is more akin to Civ IV but I really don't see it. Feels like how Red Alert 3 played up the cartoonishness of Red Alert 2. Looks more like Civ Rev than any other Civ game game, which is disappointing.
That cover art is some of the most breath taking art i have ever seen then the gameplay looks like some nintendo 3ds shit.
>>337309369
>looks like some people are falling for it though
It has happened before and it's going to happen again.
I hope I'm wrong.
>>337309369
>>337309270
>>337309184
http://www.polygon.com/features/2016/5/11/11653620/civilization-6-release-date-preview
>Religion, trade and tourism are going to be back in Civilization 6, for example.
>"OMG WHERE'S THE PROOF???"
>shows proof
>"THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!"
Then don't pre-order it like a retard. Wait and see if the gameplay actually implements these features in way that satisfies you.
Do you babies need to be spoonfed everything?
>>337309579
Steam refunds are a thing. Too bad early launch hype and people not wanting to go against groupthink are way, way more powerful than 2 hour refunds.
>>337304705
I need more of these memes.
>>337302063
I'd rather see Chandragupta Maurya as India's leader, he was truly a Great Man. A conqueror who laid the foundations of a real empire, not just someone like Alexander or Genghis Khan who built an incredible empire that immediately crumbled upon their death.
>>337309464
Why the fuck is everybody judging the gameplay entirely based on the art style?
>>337301280
People are interpreting far too much from 3 screenshots. Mind you they were dumb to release just a pointless cinematic trailer and 3 screenshots.
>>337309624
>do you need to be spoon-fed what a product people ask money from you to provide will have?
Yes.
I get your hyped, but you also come across as retarded.
>>337301280
>We want the P2W mobile audience.
So tell me anons, how does Civ 4 compare to Civ 3 cause I might give it a shot if its similar.
>>337309747
The gameplay can't be talked about outside of the brief mentions of stuff, most of which sounds bad but isn't all inclusive.
Nothing about this sounds good.
I need good things to be announced to demonstrate hype or excitement. That's just how I am.
>Get home from a long day at work
>Downing zzzquil to get to bed early
>Open Steam
>See Civ6
>Hype instantly shoots through the roof
>Check the pictures
>That art direction
I think that was the quickest I've ever had my hype killed.
Looks like complete garbage.
>>337309747
They're not you fucking dope. There is nothing to talk about but the graphics so people are talking about the graphics.
>>337305728
I honestly hate Civ Vs graphics. Hard to see anything at all. Just looking at it gives me a headache.
>>337309976
Civ 5's graphics got old on me pretty quick as well.
I don't know how to feel about the art directions
but all i hope for is just multiple leaders for each Civ
>>337309773
You're coming off as full mongoloid.
Posting sources isn't "hype", it's showing the available information.
If you don't like it, don't attack the person doing the Googling that you were too lazy to do.
>>337309960
There have been at least two major gamechanging features announced that aren't getting half as much discussion as "muh clash of clans art"
>>337310089
>it's showing the available information.
>We almost have all this stuff
>GUYS THIS STUFF IS CONFIRMED
Fuck off, you better work for Firaxis, anything else is pathetic.
>>337302961
This. It's so fucking dumb having to ram the worthless shitty citystates cocks down your throat for delegates. They waste space and should be removed.
>>337301280
>>337301494
>looks like a fucking mobile game
>>337310136
>gamechanging features
You mean multiple units?
Too bad it's a half-assed measure.
They should have added attrition and full stacks. Could have made techs/promotions around increasing the limit and reducing attrition as well.
>>337301494
>>337310219
I hate it too but the water looks nice.
>>337304728
stellaris is just as much of a disappointment as beyond earth
>>337309887
I feel it really kills the mood of the whole "epic timespan of human civilization" thing. The promo art looks pretty good, and I imagine the music will be along the same lines as V and IV. These visuals look like they'll be pretty jarring in that respect.
This just looks so terrible I can't help but believe it was some dumb executive decision to make it look more appealing for tablet users.
>>337306018
This is terrible. I'm all for having better terrain and it blending in more, but that doesn't mean you have to make the game look like a cartoon or some cheap mobile shit.
>>337310152
Because "NONE OR ALMOST NONE OF IT WILL BE IN THE GAME, ALL OF IT WILL BE STREAMLINED AND ABSENT" is an appropriate reaction to being told by the guy who led the G&K and BNW expansions that the features from those things will be implemented in some form in an entirely new game.
I get that you're baiting but maybe put more effort in next time.
>>337303576
I played the console version and loved the aesthetic
>no luxury resource specific unit/buildings
Why don't they just do this. I want to become a trade baron.
>>337310458
The appropriate reaction is to rub two brain cells together and realize they will oversell the quantity, being that they want your cash and are not your buds.
>>337304705
This is what looked off to me. Looks just like it'd fit on mobile.
>>337310334
No way, that delivers a much better product. It's not perfect but it's got a good core. BE has no good core. Adding shit wouldn't fix its problems.
I'm not going to buy it until it has 2 expansions, I learned my lesson with beyond earth.
>>337306907
>Game is called Civilization
>Is censored because it could offend uncivilized people
>>337310507
Then it will be fairly easy to see it when the Let's Plays and other player reviews on Steam start showing up.
That's assuming people actually wait for reviewers that play the whole game through, and not just hype it themselves like you clowns did for Stellaris.
>>337310603
That game could have 100 expansions and be shit.
Civ V would be a better example of your point.
>>337304705
You made my heart skip a beat. Thank god that's not real.
>>337310458
>The guy writing in all caps is not the one baiting.
>It's clearly the guy being logical instead of falling to misguided hype.
>>337310507
Then don't buy it. Don't preorder it. Wait to see what other pople say.
>>337310667
>Then it will be fairly easy to see it when the Let's Plays
I regret ever responding to you.
>>337310726
No shit. My only point is that at this stage anybody responding with glee is a little dense.
>>337310336
That's my problem with it. It just doesn't fit the theme of the game, at all. The artstyle would fit other games fine, just not Civ.
you guys they fixed the graphics!
>>337310724
see
>>337310152
I guess all caps are okay when the person you agree with is doing it. Or you're doing it.
>>337310334
What >>337310592 said.
We all know Stellaris is going to get the EUIV/CK2 bi-monthly DLC treatment.
What matters is that the core game is pretty solid and polished.
>>337310789
Watch it on Twitch first though.
That's where you'll find the best Let's Plays.
>>337310820
Well to be fair, I was quoting you when I used the caps.
Greentext/meme arrows mean quoting on 4chan.
>>337310807
something tells me this is bait
>>337310592
its an extremely feature poor and bland game, you can see exactly where features from EU4 and Vicky 2 have been torn out so they can be sold as DLC. There's no way at all to win a war against a more powerful enemy, and wars against weaker empires are so simple its not even satisfying. The ai's will do literally nothing and never fucking declare war on you to break up the monotony. The lategame crises were supposed to be these big things that completely reorder the status quo and force you to work together with your old enemies but its nothing like that at all, oh some literally who empire on the other side of the galaxy had a robot revolt and their rival invaded and put it down. Wasn't that amazing? Sure hope you don't mind continuing to do nothing.
>>337310325
>but the water looks nice
This is false.
>>337310789
>no argument
Figures.
>>337310907
>Twitch
Garbage. Their policies are cringe-inducing.
>No Senran Kagura, but we will allow literal cam models
Absolutely garbage service, it sucks when something is only showing up on there that I want to watch.
>>337310325
I agree. Water looks great.
Everything else, not so much.
>>337311000
It does though. Civ 5 didn't even have unit reflections on the water.
>>337310668
nah, civ 5 with expansions is just as good as civ 4 with expansions its just personal preference over 1upt at this point
anyone who says otherwise is just a mad civ 4 fanboy
Since finding out that there will never be a sequel to SMAC, I just can't bring myself to care.
>>337311104
Not an argument.
>>337311096
>Civ 5 didn't even have unit reflections on the water.
But it does have reflections.
>>337311140
and your post is?
>>337311015
To what?
My point is that there is little said, most of it is bad, believing in promises is a fool's errand.
The evidence is every time people believe in promises and are disappointed, retard.
>>337311115
Just play SMAC you rube.
>>337302134
Make sure to include as many memes in the game as possible
>>337311217
>unit reflections
Reading is hard huh?
>>337311360
What do you mean? Are you talking about armies? Because boats are units.
>>337311219
I wasn't offering one, but here you are.
Civ V was a buggy mess on launch, lacked features that do make it a competent (if still severely lacking) 4X, Naval AI was absolutely fucked, land AI is still sort of fucked but was improved with BNW, and the expanded tourism and spy mechanics flesh it out.
Brave New World's core is boring SMAC. The leaders are awful, the design around the whole game is torn from Civ V. BE is a modification of Civ V and it's a smaller game because of it. In the days of Civ IV, BE would be a literal mod some small group worked on, not a new Firaxis game.
Fall From Heaven and its mod lineup are a much broader, more interesting and content-rich series of mods than BE, with its expanded content.
Looks like they borrow a lot from the endless legend.
>>337311360
stfu
>>337311242
There's nothing wrong with getting hyped and being optimistic. Just don't let that influence your decision to get the game unless you're sure it's exactly what you want.
There's always pirating anyway, I don't know why people are even bringing money into this as an issue.
Anyone else experienced stupid long load times in Civ 5? Barely touched the game because of it
>>337311528
no u
I did not spend this kind of money on a PC to play dumbed down Ipad games made to appeal to 12 year olds.
>>337302134
You can't salvage VI, maybe you can salvage VII though. Make it happen.
>>337311540
>There's always pirating anyway, I don't know why people are even bringing money into this as an issue.
It's unlikely but they could easily use Denuvo.
>inb4 uncrackable
We know by this point it's uncrackable at least for a 6 month period, possibly longer, the oldest uncrackable stuff is from Sept. 2015.
I was hoping by now the terrain would take a note from the Anno series; they always seem to nail terrain.
>>337311496
Show me the unit reflections in this water.
Go ahead.
>>337311605
You can easily play older Civs on an ipad
Like, it was designed for it
Stop acting otherwise
>>337311689
The scale is totally different though.
>>337311691
>Playing with reflections off.
>No AA
>That shitty resolution
If the game didn't take forever to load, I'd show you some screenshots.
Anyway, nice bait.
>That art direction
What the fuck
>>337311732
The graphics are one thing.
Gameplay will be another.
It remains to be seen what type of shit show that will be. All we have now is mostly guessing.
Civ V made it worse, I find it difficult to believe VI will improve it in that regard.
If miraculously it does somehow, the graphics will be an afterthought.
Believing that is silly though.
>>337311689
I honestly was hoping for something like this,
>>337311732
>"I have no idea what resolutions and textures are" - the post
Yeah because those games supported textures that are low, something a fucking ARM of god forbid in the future a x86 mobile CPU could handle easily. Civ is PC GAME, meaning it should have graphics that would be on tier with what a PC could comfortably render without over taxing a relatively moderate setup.
The mobile market was a mistake.
Is the new art style because = console?
>>337312370
Mobile, more likely.
>>337311909
is this real?
What is the meta to V anyway?
I always build peacefully and my neighbors always get pissed and wants to wage a world war on me.
Which nations are best for a robust economy even against a world war?
>>337311838
I bet you would, faggot.
>>337312492
see
>>337312165
its freshly deleted though
>>337301280
>trailer looks cheap as fuck, no actual animation
>forests are patchy groves of early WoW pine trees
>jungles are a patch of scrubs
>hills are slight wrinkles in the ground
>roads are just brown lines
>swords look like exaggerated fantasy game weapons
>rocks and coastline are lumpy square turds
Not having high hopes for this.
>>337310203
You can remove them, easily.
>>337312632
The game incorporated them in to the gameplay that made it annoying not having a few.
I don't think Firaxis is capable of making a game look good and not having it run like shit. I bet this will still run like shit despite the awful visuals.
>>337312617
>Not having high hopes for this.
This is really the /thread quote.
I am anxious about the next reveal now.
Maybe Firaxis is done with making good games. XCOM2 is great because it has mod capability anyways.
>>337312632
The game's built around it, though. That all but neutralizes some civilizations who are built around getting city state allies.
>>337301280
So why aren't there day and night cycles yet? I want half my turns to take place at night.
>because each turn is a year to several years
Yeah I get that, but it makes zero sense that all our turns would take place during the day. At least some should take place at night.
The Earth is constantly half-dark.
>>337302997
They should a modern EU scenario where the winner is the first person to get overrun by barbarians.
www.kotaku.com/the-giant-statue-featured-for-the-promos-of-the-new-civilization-game-is-a-white-male-this-is-problematic
>>337301869
RIP Rayne
>>337313190
>>337313286
>>337313551
can we have a thread without this cancer? democracy isn't even a real thing shitheads, it's the Illuminati who calls the shots
>>337301280
That promotional art just drives home how shit the art direction is. I want the game to look like the promo not like Civ Revolution on iPad.
>>337313742
I wrapped it up with my last one.
What do you want to talk about regarding Civ VI?
Lemme guess, nothing?
>>337313810
I want to talk about why they ruined the art direction familyfriend.
>>337313891
Why? Anybody's guess. Probably so other platforms can handle it better, also to appeal to casual players.
Can't think of anything else that makes any sense.
I'm actually reluctantly hyped. Didn't really want a new Civ game, since new installments tend to feel like a downgrade until 3 years down the line when at least 2 expansions are out. But the increased focus on tiles actually looks really exciting, and if they're really keeping religion, trade routes and tourism, then it might actually be a better experience than Civ5 right out of the box.
But for now, I'm gonna hold back my excitement until trying it, the info we got so far isn't really enough to tell whether the new features will add that much to gameplay.
>>337313785
Shit seems to have been made by two completely different people who didn't communicate at all. This can't have been anything but executives meddling, hoping to lure in casuals. They've been talking about trying to tap into the iOS/tablet market since XCOM EU. Fuck I wish they'd just leave that shit for spin-offs like Civ Rev.
>>337309730
But Genghis Khan actually plan out his legacy after his dead. He got all of his son to unified and follow under 1 chosen heir. And that heir continue his conquest from the middle East all the way to Europe. Europe would have been sack to shit if the heir didn't die from alcoholism just after conquest of easter europe and the defeat of the largest army, the Bulgaria and Russian. History would have been significantly change if the heir didn't die from alcoholism and comtet his conques of Europe.
>"billions" of dollars invested in """""Pascal"""""
>m-m-masterace
>>337310679
Yet
>>337314290
>They've been talking about trying to tap into the iOS/tablet market since XCOM EU.
Why would they tap into the mobile market by making a PC game?
we wuz the explorers and sheeeeeiiiit
>>337310334
Paradox games used to be broken to the point of being unplayable until the second expansion
The sense of scale with that art is completely fucked, even more so than usual in a Civ game. Before you could at least pretend a continent was an actual large landmass, now it's just going to look like a little MMO island.
I get that units and cities are large and exaggerated for gameplay purposes (that's the way it's always been) but for fuck's sake you don't need to scale up the terrain alongside them.
>>337314465
They ported it to iPad and when they announced BE they stated those players were their intended audience too - which really made no sense.
>>337314573
I've been playing paradox games since hearts of iron 1 (ONE) and while you're right that they're often rough around the edges at first they never felt like a marked step backwards from the previous games
Stellaris changed that. No trade, no espionage, barely any diplomacy at all, the planet cap is ridiculously low meaning you have to give all your colonies to the ai which leaves you with nothing to fucking do because apparently being bored out of your mind is better than having to micromanage.
>>337314342
This pic says it all. Is Civ 6 also going to be available on Wii?
>>337314342
you know if the game actually looked like the top picture it would be pretty fucking difficult to play and tell what's going on
>>337315031
wii and also mobile devices!
>>337314342
That shit looks like Populous (the 3d one).
>>337314342
If you really expected the top one, you have only yourself to blame.
>>337314978
Yeah, it used to be they would throw everything in a pile, then sort it out through years by expansions.
Then they changed to a simpler base and expand the game through DLC, but their DLC teams are shit, they are just throwing more junk and bloat at CK2 and EU4
>>337314308
>comtet
Fucking hate posting on the phone
>>337310325
The rivers look like palette colored piss streams on a kid's paper mache art project, though.
>>337301696
Saint Olga for Russia.
>>337315530
>piss streams
>kid's art project
Something you want to tell us, anon?
>>337315841
im gay
>>337315358
Don't worry it might suck to type on your phone but playing Civ VI will be as easy as pie! It's free to play!
Jesus I hope those in-game pictures are not the final art choice
>>337301869
What ultimate surrender match was that?
>Neogaf
but pretty good post on why "Stacks of Doom" aren't bad at all
>My last point goes back to what i said first. Civ4 in particular was not AT ALL about only stacking, even though production superiority was more important than tactical superiority (since even the AI understood how to play the game at a basic level). First, there was the rock/paper/scissor-design of the units, meaning you always had to balance your armies. Second, there were siege weapons that could be sacrificed to reduce the hp of all units on a tile, thirdly, there were the possibility of going around your enemies to take out vital resources, citites or just kill workers (which the AI used to great effect). This fourthly, meant that you most of the time had to spread out your army to defend your border, which in itself is completely different than the cliche of "stacks of doom". I could go on about this. But the point is that combat is way deeper in civ4 than in civ5.
>>337316219
I really hope Ed Beach gets fired over this graphics controversy.
And Firaxis puts the BE team in charge.
Post em
I hope we can either mod out the tile sets to something that looks nicer or just force Fixaxis to fix it by complaining.
It looks like a Civ Rev game. Part of what made Civilization feel so good was the fairly serious presentation that made it closer to just a grand board game.
I'll stick to V, IV, and Endless Legend for a year at least anyway.
>>337316810
85 hours
I don't play much vidya.
>>337316184
Oh god.
>game now partially takes place in real time
>building things and research takes up to 24 actual hours
>can speed it up with gems bought with shekels
>multiplayer only, if you don't pay you fucking lose
![[HorribleSubs] Bakuon!! - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_02.55_[2016.05.10_13.40.28].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/veaKtif.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Bakuon!! - 06 [720p].mkv snapshot 02.55 [2016.05.10 13.40.28]")
I'm really liking what I'm hearing.
Cities and districts
Active research
Support units, corps and armies
Hidden agenda
etc.
>>337317110
>They come up with a life-extension mod to simulate all of the 6000 years game
>>337316749
Yeah they went overboard with eliminating Stacks of Doom, making it so every tile was taken by a unit was also an ugly clusterfuck.
I really loved how Siege Units had range in Civ V making army ships insanely useful and fun. I think buffing range is enough encouragement to spread out your stacks.
>>337316749
>production superiority was more important than tactical superiority
Really my main gripe with 1UPT is this. You should bot be able to so easily defeat much larger army by just sitting on impenetrable chokepoint. A small country cannot content with a great, said Mencius. I believe Sulla's review also mention false dichotomy between "wide" and "tall".
>>337306618
not everyone using a reaction image with a french in it is a french. Especially with the 4chan filename, he saved it from here
>>337316810
played a lot offline though
>>337318361
I only played offline
>>337310325
>tfw it looks identical to Age of Mythology's water graphics
>>337313037
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.
>>337318647
its probably the same faggot who wants weather seasons
just ignore it
>>337318647
>>337318997
He's right though.
Perpetual sunshine looks cartoony and gay.
>>337319154
I agree with you. Having one or two night turns every 6 - 7 turns, which would reduce the vision of any unit and city by 1, would be nice. You'd be able to profit from those nights to bring an army to a city without being seen, it would be an interesting mechanic.
>>337319438
And then they got dumber.
>>337301280
>we want the clash of clans audience
>>337305728
>>337306018
>>337306365
>Greater visibility = shit artstyle and ugly clashing colors
It's possible to make something readable without making it look like a horribly-produced mobile game. Hell, even just tweaking the colors in the shots they provided makes a big difference.
>>337309976
This. Its graphically superior to 6, but the simple style of 6 most likely won't make me want to shoot myself a few hours into the game
>>337320551
It really doesn't.
>>337320551
Clashing colors is kind of the point in this case.
These buildings need to be easily identifiable because targeting them specifically will be part of the game.
I think it looks fine so I'm not sure what you mean by "horribly produced."
>>337320984
>buildings need to be easily identifiable because targeting them specifically will be part of the game.
If that was the objective all along there could have been a million different ways of doing it instead of shitting out this abortion of an art style.
Really, using the excuse "to make things more identifiable" is fucking retarded, using the hud elements, lighting effects, or a camera zoom weren't viable solutions because...?
I mean fucking come on, everything about this is a mess, look at the swordsman's weapon, that looks laughably bad. For a game that bills itself as respecting historical achievements with that le epic release trailer it sure takes a big steamy shit over history with this WoW tier trite shit. There is literally no justification for any of this.
>>337320984
contrasting =/= clashing
The terrain is really awful. The trees may as well be bopping and dancing how cartoony it is.
>>337321985
Why is it bad though?
I think it looks good. Clean and crisp.
>>337322151
Exactly. It just contrasts, it doesn't "clash". So the complaints don't make sense.
This is the most I've liked the art direction in a Civ game since III
Fucking gorgeous, can't wait
>>337304626
You already have a civ, its england
>>337324209
>>337324268
>>337324390
You might want to let other people post in between your shilling.
I havent played much Civ. To my eyes this doesn't look to that bad.The buildings and units look a lo more distinct and the color just says adventure. Though I will admit the mountain, ground and trees could be touched up.
>>337325170
>someone disagrees with me
>better cry shill
If you don't have a real argument, just admit it.
I won't judge you.
>>337326026
You're the only one in the thread who thinks this colorful vomit looks good, not exactly hard to spot when you don't even make an attempt to hide it, retard.
>>337301280
>Civ 6 is a phone game
Its treason, then...
>>337326026
I don't have an argument. Neither do you.
"I think this is pretty" isn't an argument, and the fact that you've tried to migrate this from aesthetics to argumentation just proves you're a fuckfaced corporate sellout desperately trying to validate your paycheck.
>>337326174
You're the only one who thinks it's bad.
Pretty easy to spot.
But of course you can't explain why you think that way.
That would hurt your brain.
Because you're retarded for thinking that way.
Those graphics are awful and I bet its because its getting a phone port
>>337326261
>"I think this is pretty" isn't an argument
Neither is "I think this is ugly"
This is literally Diablo 3 tier artstyle fuckup.
>>337326323
I doubt it. They already have Revolutions as their mobile civ.
Also a landscape like that would look ridiculously tiny on even the largest phones.
>>337326328
Literally what I just said, you stupid fuck.
>>337324268
It's difficult to reduce to "clashing" or "not clashing" but the color choice is definitely all over the place; the biggest example in the image I posted is an abundance of saturated yellow-green which almost never pairs well and borders mountains and water that is closer to indigo/purple than cyan and thus especially clashes. The buildings and roads are closer to pure yellow than tan/gold and thus blend in to the landscape making the whole thing look like pea soup; various objects shift from relying on color contrast to value contrast, the trees being an obvious example; in fact overall I lowered the value contrast and added hue gradation to make up for it. Also a few buildings have their own weirdness going on, like the extreme saturation of the blue roofs on the buildings near the mountain range. I turned that down almost 30% and it still contrasts just fine instead of "popping" like the red/green pattern I posted.
>trailer was a big name actor voice over with a generic as shit 'humans are the best of the best' with generic cultural images
I had to go watch the DoW3 trailer multiple times again just to get that god awful civ 6 trailer out of my head
LOL nice graphics "pc master race" kkek
>>337301280
>Civ 4 looks too cartoony
>Civ 5 looks too washed out
>Civ 6 looks too cartoony again
Someone should tell Firaxis there's a middle ground.
Clash of Clans
>>337326420
No that's what I said.
>>337326481
>comparing a movie to a strat game
I know it's a bait post but you gotta do it in a less obvious way man.
>>337326539
funniest picture i've seen in years
>>337326471
>DoW3 trailer
Ugh. Just when I'm about to feel even the slightest bit moved, dumb gangly goblins show up and ruin the whole presentation.
Orks as a race would look better without those little shits.
>>337326539
Civ 4 and 5 both had excellent artstyles, what the fuck are you smoking
>>337320551
your adjustments don't make it look any better
I think the worst thing about the graphics is how simplistic the terrain is, it looks like a child's playmat no matter what color it is and the TF2-style cliffs around the shore look awful
>>337319154
have you played city skylines with nighttime enabled? Eventually you just turn it off because you can't see what the fuck you're doing. Unless you want cartoony dark-blue but you can still see everything style nights
>>337326817
I thought it wascute
>>337326539
>that picture
I didn't need these feels this late in the night
>>337326934
yeah, well...y'know, that's just like, your opinion, man
>>337303363
Steam forums are more cancerous than reddit at this point.
>>337326884
Maybe we have different definitions of "excellent" but for me Civ 4 looked cartoony as fuck (see tanks and leaders) while Civ 5 terrain only had slight shade differences that made strat view and blown up resource icons basically a must.
Didn't care for either of them, other games have pulled off terrain and structures way better.
And now it looks like they've swung back around again.
Take out your nostalgia dildo.
>>337327180
it's not like you can have a factual discussion about what looks better, unless you want to misinterpret some color theory
>>337327026
I wouldn't mind that. Especially if it means seeing some night light effects.
>>337327250
I've never had any problems telling resources from each other, until you get to late-game and need to find the 1 patch of coal in your empire, and antiquity sites I guess
>>337302703
I like that art style a lot.
It's much more cleaner than the previous games and maybe it won't look as cluttered by the end game.
>>337301582
I think a civilization game would work great on mobile. There's no rush or need for precise controls. You can do a couple of moves, save and come back to it later. And you'd finally have a real game on your phone instead of bowling simulators in flash.
>>337327551
Could you imagine how long Civ V's late game turns would take on mobile?
>>337327620
that's what
THE CLOUD(tm)
is for, anon
>>337305146
Thanks doc.
I don't care about the graphic or any such trivial things. All I demand is an AI that know how to play the fucking game. The 1UPT information is making me feel a bit worried.
>>337328205
We both know that good AI isn't going to fucking happen, anon
Developers would rather spend their time figuring out how Chad playing on his ipad can share his new high score with his friends on normiebook
>>337326934
i gotchu senpai
>>337310807
>no pyramid in the water
Fixed up a few things (accidentally left out India from Civ IV)
Interestingly, in checking dates I learned of the Playstation/Saturn releases of Civilization 1 in 1996 (JP exclusive). Graphical update makes it look more like Civilization 2, with some movies added in. It keeps the SNES civ list, though - Zulu is dropped for Japan.
But the SNES release was in 1991, same as the DOS release, so personally I'm still counting Japan from the beginning.
This puts the "standard" vanilla civ list as:
America
Aztecs
China
Egypt
England
France
Germany
Greece
India
Japan
Rome
With a special mention to Persia, which has been a vanilla civ since Civ 2.
I haven't seen anything to indicate that any of those will be left out for Civ 6, either.
As point of interest, the number of civs in each vanilla game release:
Civ 1: 14 civs (Japan and Zulu are mutually exclusive)
Civ 2: 21 civs
Civ 3: 16 civs (31 with expansions)
Civ 4: 18 civs (34 with expansions)
Civ 5: 18 civs (43 with expansions and DLC)
If we assume the first 12 are in, and that they keep the trend of the past 2 games, there are still 6 civilization slots. Typically at least one for each of a Native North American tribe and an African kingdom, plus the decent possibility of Arabia again for more middle east representation.
>>337301280
Can't wait for a mod like Civ 5 which scales the units down.
>a ship the size of a fucking city
>swordsmen larger than fucking tanks
I hate the oversized units in every game, it looks retarded
>>337330842
Don't ever play Risk.
I'm sure that would blow your fucking mind.
>>337331127
Probably would. My autism just can't handle the fact that there's massive units.
I don't expect them to be scaled down to actual size but something like pic related would be great
>>337310325
ok IGN
>>337301280
So it's still 1UPT, but you can combine up to 3 military units of a type, can link a military and a civlian unit, and can attach support units like battering rams or AA guns.
Two individual units are stronger overall than one combined corps of two, but the latter hits harder and soaks more damage than either individual.
![Headerbanner_Januar-702x336[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vpEEt2C.jpg "Headerbanner Januar-702x336[1]")
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