It's almost here
Are you prepared for the greatest space adventure of the decade?
>Still no GMG key
WARPDRIVE
WORMHOLES
HYPERDRIVE
PROJECTILES
MISSILES
LASERS
PICK YOUR POISON
r8
>furfaggot blown the fuck out
>>337017270
0/10 Emperor does not approve
>>337017270
Nvm, swap Wormholes for Hypderdrives
>>337017264
Going to set it to force all factions to use hyperdrive.
Breaking off factions supply lines will be fun.
>>337017264
Warpdrive
Projectiles
>>337017331
wow, how unique and special
>>337017024
>was it you who rang the bell of awakening?
>>337017264
Wormhole/Lasers
>>337017264
Hyperdrive
Projectives
>Implying you're going to survive against a full fleet barrage of mass drivers
>>337017024
>6.3
I'm going to make all the AI factions be generic humans.
Then the only aliens in the galaxy will be the random gen low tech species that you can bring up.
Also, is it possible to play with no other major AI? So it becomes more like a comfy space exploration game than a grand strategy game?
1 hour 30 minutes
Materialist individualist xenophile direct democracy. Come at me, xenophobe militarists.
>>337017482
>9.2
give me a spess movie to watch while waiting for release
I have seen event horizon, interstellar, star wars, and star trek.
>>337017482
>IGN
>hurr durr I got gang banged by a federation
>i dont get this game shit/10
>>337017498
What's the fucking point?
Who else is making their galaxy filled with vidya/fictional races?
I think It'll be hours before I get into playing due to wanting to make all of these custom races beforehand.
Toughest question is, which one do you play yourself?
>>337017331
Oh wow look another boring 40K setup
Caldari mega corporations only way
Pick your race
>Machines aren't playable
I hope there will be some cheat allowing you to play as them or at least that someone will mod it in.
>>337017579
da orkiest
>>337017653
you can convert your race to machines
>>337017548
Starship Troopers...
>>337017653
I think you can research robots, colonize with them, release them, tag switch to robots
>>337017389
>>337017608
>implying le Terran Republic is more original
>>337017270
rapid breeders sounds about right
>>337017640
Why the fuck is there only one human portrait? The other races seem to have multiple.
Who /MegaCorp/ here?
>Ruler is literally called Chief Executive Officer
>Implying your won't sell me your planet for money
>>337017665
>>337017791
why are you such a faggot
>>337017792
Trade is like non existant in this game
>>337017791
Once you pick the humans, you can choose more portraits
>>337017791
That is just the default face you can edit it CK2 style but more limited.
>>337017640
First play Humans/Space Nazis
Multiplayer with Friend/Friends: Arthropoid 15 going full Shadow Species from Babylon 5
Going for a collectivist, spiritualist and xenophobe humans with the divine mandate.
Enduring, communal and strong with the migration negative probably
http://www.stellariswiki.com/Government_types
So what mods are you most looking forward too?
>Star Wars
>Star Trek
>Mass Effect
>Halo
>Dragonball Z (with ship sprites replaced with floating warriors shooting ki blasts)
>AvP universe
What do you intend to play as?
>Star Trek Federation
>Space Nazi's
>Imperium
>Starship troopers
>Mass effect Hanar
>no preload so I'll have to wait an hour before the game will be finished downloading
>>337017428
>Byzantine was a tough nut to crack for a very long time after the Roman empire fell.
Retard alert.
>>337017264
Wormholes and Missiles for me.
>>337017907
>Illuminated Technocracy
Is this the euphoric fedora government type?
>>337017839
End yourself IGN
>>337017953
REMOVE KEBAB
>>337017769
>Its war of everyone against everyone
40K ist the most boring Universe you can imagine, without any depth at all
>>337018012
all of the materialist government types are full fedora
It's confirmed you need a VERY high end pc to play the late game with large galaxies (Marzbozir played with a 980 and still suffered significant fps issues and stuttering).
>>337017932
Mass Effect Turians, definitely.
>>337017224
>cuck
That's why you always hop on Kinguin
Six
Point
Three
>>337017928
Star Trek because this just fits perfectly.
And than Mass Effect.
>>337018025
I think he meant conventional trade, as in having ships fly back and forth between your systems.
He's not wrong there. But to say trade in general is nonexistant is just flat out wrong. You can have agreements over resources per month or just single payments between eachother as well as research agreements and star charts/sensor links and whatnot.
You can even trade or gift planets
Is there mind-control tech in the game?
I want to be a mushroom species that mindcontrols less races.
Also,
>no generic grey short aliens
>no plant aliens
>no apes
What a shit game
>>337018073
Direct Democracies don't sound fedora
>>337017907
>Transcendent Empire
>The ruler is titled as God Emperor
ohboy
what game is this?
>>337018229
blunderis
>>337018229
Star Trek Birth of the Federation
>>337018091
>1 guy
>confirming anything
Yeah no. I mean it may be the case, since CK2 had similar issues for people with mediocre systems, but one report is hardly worth anything.
And even more important:
>980
Here's some news for you, Paradox games don't give a shit about GPU, its 90% CPU that matters. That it stutters late game, should've been clue enough for you that it can't be a GPU issue. I mean what's going in late game? Ten times the graphics? Educate yourself fool
>>337018091
Havent clauswitz games all been heavily cpu dependent?
>>337018073
Only if you can think of them that one specific way. You can have a ruthlessly dedicated state that goes for science too and is xenophobic or whatever else. Doesn't have to be full fedora in how they go for advancement
I'm having trouble deciding between cat or reptilian slavers. Cats seems nice, lazy and conformist, while the slaves stroke your furry cock, but reptilians are really into this kind of shit
>>337018229
Stellaris
>>337018229
Space Kings Too
My first playthrough is going to be United Nations in space
>>337018383
You can infiltrate native populations under disguise, which makes reptilians a natural choice
So how much DLC are you guys expecting?
>>337017640
Fungi
excellent thread Johan
:^)
>>337018190
You can mod in your own species apearance as much as you want so saying this is a bit dumb. There's a ton of them anyway
>>337018341
He had a high end cpu too. If you arent playing this shit on some kind of supercomputing cluster you will experience late game slowdown in larger galaxies.
1 h 15 min left
>>337018456
stick to the plan guys, stick- stick to the plan
>>337018515
Fuck tons.
Seriously though, who buys DLC? You can literally use pirated DLC even with a legit copy
>>337018547
>one guy
>confirming anything
Yeah no.
>>337018515
More.
>6.3
JUST
>>337018073
how is a materialist government fedora you dipshit
militaristic and pacifist types are way more fedora
>>337018036
The fuck are you talking about, retard? there was no "Byzantine".
/v/ multiplayer game when
What's the launch time?
Why Steam doesn't have a approximate launch countdown?
>>337018515
They had a whole "plant" species line that you could see in a livestream already, but isn't in the final game. So expect $4.99 there.
Robot/Synths/AI are pallet swaps, so expect $2.99 to give them unique portraits
Also, you can't start as Synths, so expect another $3.99 for that
No apes, so expect a $4.99 portrait expansion.
And then they need to add a worm species line. And energy beings. And black holes/neutron stars. And dyson spheres
>>337018547
so poor optimization?
>>337018773
>No apes
Humans are right there.
>>337018757
I think it's because there's no preload.
>>337018626
All the other prerelease reviewers noted the late game slowdown too. Seriously. Theres no need to sugar coat the performance issues. We all pretty much expected them.
>>337018712
>pacifist
>fedora
Militarist is fedora. Just look at all the "FOR DA EMPRAH xD" 40k kids in these threads. Warhammer is the ultimate fedora fandom.
>>337018712
It's no surprise that /v/ has no idea what "fedora" even refers to anymore, but that doesn't mean you're not an idiot for being this wrong.
>>337018846
is this slowdown running at higher speeds or normal?
I'm going to play Tropico 5 while i wait
What are you guys doing till release?
>>337018819
fuck off you fucking shill
>>337018880
Warhammer franchise is twice your age, son.
>>337018773
Don't forget endgame superweapons.
>>337018929
Same thing we do every night pinky
play liquor sim 2
>>337018880
I have heard literally every single ethos combo called fedora at some point in these threads. Why the fuck do you even care?
>>337018889
>no explanation given
>"lol ur an idiot an ur wrong"
Fuck off you sub-IQ mongoloid.
doing head variations
first static portraits of orks.
Will do 5 head /skin color variations + 5 armor variations , should be enough for combinations for static portraits
I want my WAAAGH for release!
>>337018954
And yet it caters to drooling retards like you these days, kiddo.
>>337018712
If you read the description it says they put aside the false notions of gods and such matters, so it's a full on atheist choice where they go for hardcore advancement in other areas.
That doesn't make them immediately fedora though, it might just be that they turn into some brutal state regime or something that goes hard on industry and advancement
who fremen here?
>>337017024
>Stellaris got a 6.3/10
>Civilization 5 got a 9/10
literally no point in playing it
>>337018108
>What is Space Rome?
>>337018930
>explaining basic facts is shilling
You're not very bright.
>>337018954
Wicked burn. Did I hit a sore spot?
>>337019008
Well, you ARE an idiot and you ARE wrong, so I don't see the problem here.
>>337018773
Black holes, energy beings, and Neutron stars are all in the game dipshit
>>337019030
Weak bait, sonny.
>>337019123
stale b8
>>337019059
Ya hya chouhada, Muad'dib.
>>337019161
>a truth I can't handle is bait
Im sorry you were born retarded, squirt.
>>337019159
There is 1 energy being and you can't play as them.
There are no black holes or neutron stars
>>337018915
Both. The slowdown is like intermittent microstutter. Its far from a deal breaker for me (i7-6700k in my rig) but people with older machines might want to avoid the fuckhuge galaxy settings. Even a "medium" galaxy is huge and youll avoid most of the slowdown.
>>337019258
I'm fairly certain I saw a black hole on one of Marb's videos.
>>337019258
>There are no black holes or neutron stars
Nice factual inaccuracies. Do you write for IGN?
I'm vaguely temped by spiritualist militaristic collective fascist government w warp drive and lasers as main weapons.
GHALE GARMILLAS!
GHALE DESSLER!
>>337019276
Is there any guidelines as to what galaxy size to aim for with different systems?
I have an older gen i7, how many stars should I do?
>>337019258
There are black holes. Not sure about neutron stars.
>>337018915
Nothing to do with game speed. Late game gets choppy regardless of speed, just like every other Paradox game.
>>337019258
Yes there are m8, they have showed them multiple times even. 100% there are black holes and neutron stars
mid to late game stuttering will probably be fixed by patches
IGN just mad they did not get the customary bribe of Shekels for a 2 point bump in the review.
>>337019101
man wants ape race, we all know what that means, you bow-legged piece of shit
>>337019395
It doesn't really matter much, because the game will freeze for a moment at the start of every lategame month even on smaller galaxies. The only real limiting factor is how much of it you can stand. If you don't mind waiting a lot, you can play with 1000 starts on a shit computer.
Can't wait for the inevitable $15 DLC that fixes diplomacy. Thanks, Paradox!
>>337019395
An older gen i7 is more than enough to run even huge comfortably. But if you want to minimize slowdown just stick to large or medium.
>>337019482
well he can pay for it like the good little goys you and him are, not my fault you are literally so fucking stupid you can't understand basic facts
>>337019258
>There are no black holes or neutron stars
>Source: my ass
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-black-holes.918683/
>>337019453
Are there planets around them? I want to colonize a black hole system.Does time dilation affect ship travel times
>>337019547
I have yet to see this. Can you give a source video on someone encountering these performance issues lategame?
>6.3
BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY
>>337019381
DO IT FAGGOT
DO IT
https://youtu.be/FnrMBldZvTo
>>337019656
The devs say that there are negative effects that happen if you get really close to them, but I do know you can build a research station by one since they tend to give points in one of the fields (for obvious reasons)
>no robot race
>cant make necrons
>still no predownload on steam
;_;
>>337017024
At first I thought you were talking about Kaathe and the Age of Humanity
>>337019660
Marbozir explains it in his youtube review.
Basically the game calculates all important shit at the start of the month, and even on a good computer using a medium (600 stars) galaxy it freezes up for a short time every month at lategame.
>>337019826
You can mod in any apearance you want so if you wanted to you could go so far as add in the various things for Necron specifically
>>337019849
There won't be any preload since the game is less than 5 GB.
Decadent seems like such a stupid trait, lowering your resource output for the start of the game, so going with sedentary
I'm also going with long living quick learning leaders to have good ones non-stop.
Not sure about the weapons though, but would love a game with forced hyperspace for everyone
>>337019656
>Does time dilation affect ship travel times
Funnily enough in the last couple of days I asked myself the question how to make time dilation work in a space 4x game but sadly I am not a smart man. A 4x with relativity laws sounds very interesting though.
>>337019958
So like victoria 2 at the start where you couldn't play past 1880 because the game's calculations ran over from stupid shit the ai was doing?
>>337020164
Pretty much.
>>337019059
what kind of trait/ethos combination would you go with?
>>337017024
No Man's Sky doesn't come out for like a month though
From within the walls of iron, my citadel will stand tall. A ship as powerful as a thousand suns will destroy the pathetic organic species. Those who defy me will die and those who follow me, subjugated. All organics will ascend. Thats the Stellaris way.
>>337017932
AMERICA
>>337020064
You can enslave your own pop, not just aliens. So if you want you can start using slaves right away and the malus from Decadent might as well not be there.
>>337019014
Looks like it's coming along nicely!
I all ready have Galactic Civilizations 3 though.
>>337019047
Do they attempt so solve the problem of grounding their values without God? If not, dropped.
>>337020307
I dunno, something like Fanatical Spiritualist, Militarist, Resilient, Military Junta/Theocratic Republic
>>337020405
I always wondered about this, good to hear, will go with decadent then.
Also, do robots count as slaves? Or what kind of mechanic is behind them. Just workers that can be build with credits that don't consume food?
>>337020553
Galciv 3 is shit.
I already have distant worlds though
>galciv3
Even endless garbage was better than this shit
Such embarrassment, shame second game was actually pretty great
>no peaceful victory conditions
>no map modes
>no control over combat once it starts (only retreat)
>with bigger galaxies the game performance is shit
>no deep internal politics
>slaves can't rebel
>generic chase enemy combat
>no trade routes, embargoes, etc...
>>337017264
What's the difference between the first 3?
Also can I like this game if I was never big into Star-Trek/Stargate or space stuff, but I enjoy Civ-like shit?
>>337020693
>>337020653
Here's the anti competition shilling.
>>337020693
GalCiv 2 was pretty great mechanically, but I dind't like it much because the ship design, while awesome visually, was hot garbage mechanically, and the whole game severely lacked in atmosphere and personality just like all Stardock games.
>>337020778
THE DLC WILL FIX IT
t. Johan
>>337020314
>No Man's Sky
I get massive Spore vibes from this game in the sense that it'll be a huge disappointment and be not at all what people think it'll be
>>337020778
Is there such a thing as a game with "deep internal politics"?
Just What game is that?
>>337020778
>no control over combat once it starts (only retreat)
you gotta be fucking shitting me
>>337020778
Don't worry, goy. We'll add all of those features soon enough. Just keep an eye out for all the wonderful DLC we'll be releasing!
>>337017907
>no non-primitive feudalism
What is this bullshit?
Well, I will try playing eu:rome for now
Hope in will not crash during this 50 minutes
>>337020996
Stellaris
>>337020778
Why not just play Sword of the Stars?
>>337020996
map painting in space the game
I just heard about this game today. I can design my own ships right? To what extend? I loved that shit in Galactic Civilization.
>>337021193
Blurple represent.
>>337020778
>no control over combat once it starts (only retreat)
its a paradox game, its a paradox GS game
why the fuck did you think there'd be real time combat?
Play MP immediately and just go hardcore slavery. Dumbasses at parashit removed the revolt mechanic for release because they couldn't figure out how to balance it correctly. Until then it's going to be a huge boost with no downsides.
>>337021286
From what I've seen the ship design looks almost the same as that of SotS.
>>337020778
>no peaceful victory conditions
>no control over combat once it starts (only retreat)
>with bigger galaxies the game performance is shit
>no deep internal politics
>no trade routes, embargoes, etc...
So it's exactly like every other Paradox game?
>>337021396
>>337021481
its from a reviewer with little to no patience who went in expecting a Civ game and instead found himself playing a GS game
there will be a time limit to end the game?
>>337020586
That depends on how materialist you make them and what government type. You can be utterly without morals and values for example by choosing to be fanatical and then taking the hardest government type tied to materialists as well.
But you can also be individualist/collectivist in a good way beside your materialism and go for something like a moral democracy or whatever else that's more friendly and caring about your own citizenry (and Xenos if you're also xenophile)
>>337022072
no, as far I'm aware
>>337020316
Wait you can go full roboto in Stellaris?
>>337020778
Reason behind performance issues lategame already discovered, its going to be fixed in a patch they say
>>337021396
to bad I'll play with my friends exclusively, where no one fucks each other over with broken mechanics and minmax strategies. Just chill and rp softly. For us, this is how a gsg should be played.
>>337022346
As much as I want to love this game that's the same shit they have given in every Paradox game.
>>337022291
nah, you can replace your workforce with robots but eventually they'll revolt
that said the advanced form of despotic hegemony has you handing control to Friend Computer
>>337020316
>Movie Ultron.
>Not the real Ultron.
>>337020870
Warpdrives is just going to any planet you want relatively slowly. Very free movement, but slow.
Wormholes require generators to be built and have limited range. Relatively free and quick movement, but expensive.
Hyperdrive works through lanes that connect systems. If you get shit RNG, you'll be stuck having to take retarded routes. Potentially restricted movement but quick and cheap.
Absolutely.
>>337022346
>Reason behind performance issues lategame already discovered, its going to be fixed in a patch they say
Oh cmon it's going to be a DLC and you know it
>>337022346
Are they also going to be fixing CK2 with that magical patch?
>>337018134
you got your key already from Kinguin?
Is it an EU key?
>>337022602
No it won't. They might be jewy but they aren't that jewy
>>337022471
Age of Ultron may be the worst capeshit movie I've ever seen, and it made me go from indifference towards Joss Whedon to outright hatred. Holy fuck, that man is a talentless hack with an ego the size of a sun.
>>337022471
Reminder that the "real" Ultron has been downgraded to being Hank Pym's clothes.
>>337017436
>implying you'll even reach me with your retarded and predictable hyperdrive lanes.
Wormholes are superior in every regard. Literally the *teleports behind you* of space travel.
>>337022712
Ah, he'll be back. Ultron is not a truly physical being.
>>337017264
Wormholes
Projectiles
It's going to be either a peaceful scientific race or the Infinite Reich.
>>337022712
I'll never understand the fucking hatred comic writers have for Hank Pym. He's such a good idea that they've permanently ruined by fixating entirely on Ultron and a single panel of the guy hitting his wife.
>>337022701
only watched it recently when I binged the phase 2 marvel movies
going from winter soldier and gotg into fucking age of ultron seriously pissed me off
>>337022761
>Wormholes are superior
>tries to invade literally anyone
>cut behind his invasion force and destroy his warp drive
>stranded in enemy territory
>"intergalactic counsel the wormhole jew fucked me again pls send help"
>>337022761
Not as effective against a enemy player, considering that if he has any brain he'll make a priority out of disabling your wormhole stations and either cut off your fleet from returning home or cut off your fleet from getting to a section of space they are decimating.
So you better invest in some station defenses if you go wormhole against enemy players
>>337022465
Well that's sad
>>337023016
>>337023018
A tiny bit of redundancy and this practically can't happen.
SIX(6) POINT(.) THREE(3)
>>337023115
>build wormhole in enemy territory
>swoop in try to ambush
>enemy player has a defense platform with magnets , can't swoop away fast enough
>his hyperlane ships arrive just as fast
>destroy your wormwhole
>you're stuck
>>337022908
Pym is great. Some writers fixate on the times he fucked up to the point they've made it a meme, but honestly his fuckups make him all the more interesting. He's a guy who tries to be the best superhero he can be, but his own nature and mental instability works against him.
Marvel does this to a lot of their characters, unfortunately. Just look at all the shit they did to Scott Summers over the years, or how they've treated Namor recently. All interesting and conflicted characters that got turned into memetic scapegoats for the more popular characters to rail against.
>>337017640
Avian 6, Molluscoid 14 here
Why do all the races seem predisposed to having a head? Couldn't paradix have created something more interesting than either upright or head-centered creatures?
I went on to Paradox forums to read the FAQ and I see dumb faggots going "le blorg xDDxxDDD xxDD" fucking christ I remember why I stopped using forums.
Rate it
>>337023115
even then wormholes are a bit slow, if some hyperspace warmonger ships his entire fleet to one of your systems you won't be reacting quickly enough to it
>>337023115
Anyone with that hyperspace lane shit can travel around really fast, you'll have your wormholes yes but you do need to travel to a star that actually has one before you can wormhole to anywhere in its area of reach.
Building a wormhole in almost every star will cost you a lot and slow you down having to invest so much, especially if it has a maintenance cost as well (don't know if it does)
>>337023275
>have two more wormholes in range because I'm not retarded
>>337023321
>Zoroastrian
>Aztec theme
>>337023315
best part is when they create characters to rail against, and bad writers fuck up hard enough that the supposed villain actually has a god damn good point
>>337023317
There are a few that don't follow the basic humanoid template, like some of the Arthropoids, Molluscoids and Fungoids.
But yeah overall it's a bit homogenic and anthrocentric in design. Probably just because it's easier to animate.
>>337023343
>The enemy player will have a resource advantage over you because apparently you decided to build wormhole generators everywhere during your playtime
>>337023426
Yes and?
Speaking of which, you give me the idea for a Pillar Men faction
>>337022701
You are lucky you didn't spend money watching the crap called BvS
>>337023482
Easier to animate two different races kissing each other too.
>>337023502
>everywhere
You severely underestimate the range of upgraded wormhole generators.
>>337023513
AWAKEN MY MASTERS!
>>337023559
I admittedly haven't watched it, but I'm having trouble imagining how it could possibly be worse. Snyder would have had to actively try and ruin every character in the film.
>>337023513
If they're Zoroastrian, why not just give them a Persian theme, since birds are a common motif in ancient Persian art anyway?
>>337023649
Because muslims are disgusting?
10 min you faggots, im ready
>>337023649
That is actaully a much easier idea
I can Aztec it up with my Pillar Men
would be interesting if there were all sorts of FTL mega-projects like say a massive wormhole pair that's permanently open and usable in two directions, a gigantic warp carrier capable of transporting small fleets, an artificial hyperspace lane etc etc
>>337023642
>Snyder would have had to actively try and ruin every character in the film.
To his credit, he really fucking did try his best to ruin every character in the film.
>>337017024
>It's almost here
>Are you prepared for the greatest space adventure of the decade?
But Star Citizen won't be released for at least a year.
>>337023513
AWAKEN MY MASTERS!
>>337023805
so...how does it compare to the likes of batman and robin/catwoman
>>337023642
>Snyder would have had to actively try and ruin every character in the film.
Have I got news for you...Actually he doesn't actively try to ruin them, he just hates superheroes and uses them to create his own 2deep4u philosophical/religious "Superman is literally Jesus" imagery while still cramming all of it into a generic superhero action movie. Ruining the characters is just a minor side-effect.
>>337023749
>ancient Persia
>Muslim
american education everyone
>>337023753
>Still no GMG key
>>337023582
The thing is, unless you then also invest in station defenses heavily a hyperlane player will still be faster regardless. They can make it their business seeking out every last one of your wormhole generators even if you happen to have more than one. They can keep on the move due to their speed. So as a wormhole player you are forced to play more defensively, you absolutely have to invest in station defenses or these gotta go fast players will just move right through
>10minutes
>still don't know what to roleplay as for first/learning playthrough
Choices: Alien scourge enslaving errything
Peaceful aliens just after knowledge
Long lost human colony in search of Sol.
>>337017769
its not. you are both fags.
>>337023951
just go my key.
>>337023513
AWAKEN MAH MASTAH!
>>337023919
just imagine if the persians and eastern romans could have cooperated for just a few years to ensure islam remained a shitty little desert religion
>>337023897
At least the later two were campy and bat. This one is just bat.
>>337023951
Didn't GMG have a key shortage so they couldn't get all their keys out in time?
Or was that Gamersgate?
>>337017640
Avian 16 seems pretty smug. Ill go with thoseAfter humans
>>337019014
looks bad todd.
>>337018712
>how is a materialist government fedora you dipshit
Moron. Look up the word "materialism". It means that you believe in the existence of a material-only world, with no non-material component.
>>337023974
I know where my own wormhole generators are better than any hyperlane enemy would. I can just jump to it in advance while he has to make a whole bunch of jumps through his stupid hyperlanes.
>>337023994
The last one sounds most interesting IMO.
Slavery is easy-mode apprently because they removed the drawbacks and slaves can never revolt.
>>337024017
no, catwoman actually took itself seriously
somehow
seriously its a bad fucking movie
Torrent when?
Wanna try before I buy
