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Are you a conqueror yet? You've only got a few more hours left.
This game is fun as fuck and a day 1 buy for me, but it's going to flop HARD. It's just way too obtuse for how complex it is compared to the Souls series.
Not only is it too complex for its obtuseness, the things it does convey to the player in the first 30 minutes are all completely wrong. A new player running around without understanding ki pulse and without understanding stances and without understanding the armor/loot system is going to run out, run out of stamina and stand there catching their breath, and get one-shot by the weakest enemy in the game. From this they are going to assume:
1-All enemies hit this hard and you'll be getting OHKO'd all game
2-Using stamina gets you killed and you have to be incredibly slow in order to not die
What did you think of your time with the Nioh demo?
FUCK YOU BALL AND CHAIN MAN
>>336490018
I'll probably pick it up for $10 on sale when the game eventually bombs
>>336490080
How bout we settle this in the boat, just you and me? Get outta that jabroni warlord set.
>>336490080
>losing to Onryoki
Alright chump, here's how you beat Onryoki:
1) Make sure you have decent equipment. If you need a strong sword fight the Dev Revenant in the cave to the left of the boat
2) Make sure you have kick
3) stay in mid stance and dodge left or right to avoid his slam, then kick him. You can get more kicks in with slow talismans
4) Block the inevitable 360 spin, it's very easy to block
5) look for his stamina to empty then spam high stance attacks
6) when his chains break just watch out for him to throw the balls, just double-dodge out of the way when he throws and go to town
Also, it goes without saying, but using living weapon when their stamina is empty will absolutely destroy yokai and bosses
>>336490587
I've died about 20 or 30 times to him so far at a guess. Maybe more, I've not been counting.
I've mainly been using a high stance so I can get good single hits in then retreat. Sword has 194 attack on it.
I've tried blocking the 360 but while I can block the first time he spins the second time always knocks me down.
When he loses the chains, dodging the ball throws has been easy but everything else he does is hard to punish.
I'll try what you suggested
It's only obtuse for the first 30 minutes.
The second you understand how to Ki Pulse, you're golden.
Also why is nobody mentioning that tomorrow is the last day of the demo, and not today?
Get your shit together, gents.
Who /nuemale/ here?
>>336491192
>high stance
Just hit his back dude.
There's some move you can get that's a combo finisher for high stance sword, just go square-triangle on his spinal cord until that piƱata pops.
>>336491192
What magic are you using? Slow talismans make Onryoki trivial.
>>336490018
Do you get anything from beating the second boss?
>>336491475
That's what I've been doing. But usually if I go for that finisher it doesn't leave me enough stamina to dodge or block his next attack.
how do i ki pulse
1) How do I ki pulse?
2) When do I get to summon my guardian spirit or use this 'living weapon' malarkey?
I'm stuck at the boss and pretty sure I need to learn both to stand a chance to beat him given how shit I am.
>>336491547
I've not used any magic so far.
>>336490080
Why has no one called out the shill yet?
Get it together /v/
>>336491551
The best sword in the demo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWsuxO-A36o
nothing personal
>>336491674
Press R1 after a combo, but the later the better, but not too late. You'llsee that the red part slowly fills up again try to press R1 as soon as it's filled. Or just look at the particles around you
You can summon you spirit by pressing triangle and circle at the same time when the symbol in the upper left is pulsating. It fills up by killing enemeis
>>336491737
If you've levelled up at all you have magic points to spend. In learn skills there are 5 categories: katana, spear, axe, ninjitsu, and magic. The three weapons share skill points, but ninjitsu and magic use their own pools. Spend your points and you can ready ninjutsu and spells at the shrine.
>>336492026
STOP BULLYING NUE
>>336492096
Thanks!
Does the spirit just do one thing then fuck off, or is it a full summon?
>>336492026
his second video is not stylish but better as a tutorial. he destroyed him at level 1 ffs. meaning he beat the whole thing at level 1...
https://youtu.be/cIpjfGNjlUQ
>>336490018
>it's going to flop HARD
>the people who have played it and understand it love it and constantly make threads about it
You're acting like anything that doesn't sell 10 million copies is a flop. KT is used to having games only sell a couple hundred thousand, and Ni-Oh will do better than most of their games usually do because it's cashing in on the "le ready to die" hype and people have been waiting since 2004 for it.
>Not only is it too complex for its obtuseness
Maybe if you're retarded.
>Not only is it too complex for its obtuseness, the things it does convey to the player in the first 30 minutes are all completely wrong.
Nope, it doesn't. Everything you need to know is explained.
>without understanding stances
Explains that, and you can still use stances and figure them out on your own before reaching the audio about them.
>without understanding the armor/loot system
Nothing to understand.
It's funny i feel more comfortable dodging to the let in this game. Also who else got that op as fuck katana drop?
>>336491750
Because op didn't say this was goat or any thing and even went so far as to say it's a huge flop, a fun flop but still.
>>336492026
This just proves it. Is there any reason NOT to use low stance? Dat fucking ki pulse on dash
>>336492191
You pretty much go super mode and you life gets replaced by a meter, you can just attack until it's empty, if you get hit a part of the meter also dissapears. So it's best to kick bosses a lot to empty their Ki and then just kill them with the spirit. The spirits also have pasisve abilites though like +20% Ki restore etc
How much time left?
My controller just ran out of battery, and all I have is a charging station, so I can't play for some time now.
I think I'm near the first boss.
I like the game, it feels like PS2 in an extremely welcome way.
I don't think it's anywhere near Souls quality, though. The atmosphere and level design are somewhat weak, and some of the mechanics feel like complexity for complexity's sake
I've played through the demo once in movei and twice in action made and man action mode makes it way better and almost easier. You can suddenly see all the frames of the bosses attacks and can easily dodge them
That said, i don't see why the game can't run at 60fps in movie mode. Unless it's their old PS3 assets and they try to force it onto PS4 hardware
>>336492209
He could have stunlocked him to death there.
>>336492381
this game is like ninja gaiden in the sense that what matters most is knowing your enemies inside out. After that nothing matters, you can use whatever weapon or stance or build or anything.
>>336492209
It's pretty much the same as in Souls or other games. If you know what you do and don't get hit, lvl 1 isn't too much of a difference. Since most of your attack power comes from weapons
>>336492312
>couple hundred thousand
>it'll sell on dark souls marketing
Except the normies who like Dark Souls who tried Nioh fucking hated it, precisely because of the poor conveyance of the first few minutes. They get killed in one shot by the first mook and go "Oh, it's just a shitty janky too-hard Dark Souls. Next game."
If you don't think the game is obtuse you're just fucking wrong.
>>336490018
>really wanted to try the game because it looks fantastic
>there was no chance in hell I'd buy a PS4 before it had enough games
>PS4.5 announced
Oh well, maybe some day Sony will get the finger out of their ass and stop shilling trash multiplats. If they'd actually have invested in more exclusives I'd probably have bought and gotten cucked, and might not even have regretted it.
>>336492381
Well, who knows what kind of enemies will be in the full game and how big groups of enemies will get. Maybe we will fight 3 oni or 2 nues at some point
The balance in the demo is alright, but i hope they extend that to the full game
Will this game have a real narrative since it's based on a movie or will it be like Dark Souls and mainly be told through item descriptions?
>>336491769
Is that it or is there a second Mark of the Conqueror for another set of DLC?
Anyone seriously bothered by the pulse flashes and effects?
I started to pull off several really quickly and soon it's the only thing you hear in battle. Not to mention it looks lame as fuck
>>336490018
No kanabo me no buy.
>>336491769
Actually the best sword doesn't come from the boss but a bloodstain summon.
>>336492907
Probably mission descriptions, some corpse dialogues and shit
I hope the game will have some kind of village with NPCs though. Just going from mission to mission on the map is a little boring
>>336492907
I hope it does have an actual story because then the character being fixed is fucking stupid
>>336493159
His name being William is even gayer.
>>336492924
That's it, there's no out-of-game reward for beating the second level.
>>336492907
The movie tie-in idea was tossed out when the game originally had development problems. The movie also doesn't seem to be every happening anymore either so yeah, it's got nothing to do with the movie.
>>336491547
>>336490587
I FUCKING DID IT
THANKS YOU GUYS
The slow talismans and the advice to go medium stance and reduce his Ki with the kick really helped, I didn't realise how much a difference that made.
>>336493667
Well done.
The fact that enemies also have KI/stamina makes the game a lot more interesting
>He didn't beat the second stage twice to get the Tonbo-kiri
Spears is where it's at
>>336493021
I really hope the final game doesn't have as strict of a mission structure as the demo. It's lame as shit that you can't bail on a mission to go back to a previous area until you complete the current mission. I'm also not a fan of the mission map idea. I guess that's partially me being too used to Souls but I'd prefer some sort of interconnectivity in the world or a central hub area, leaving the map just for quick travel between areas/shrines.
>>336493159
A lot of people are suspecting there will be multiple characters. It's weird that they give you a fixed character and yet spam his name on every other screen unless there will be other available characters as the game progresses. That sort of begs the question of how those characters will be handled though. Will they just be blanks like William in that their stats/skills are freely customizable, primarily there for trying out different character builds more easily in one playthrough? Or will they be totally unique, having the same basic stats to level but entirely different skills available? Will they be freely changeable or will certain missions/story points force you into a specific character?
I'm sure the game will be largely narrative driven but if they're going to go with full cutscenes eventually or just the mission text like the demo is anybody's guess.
>>336490018
i riked it
>>336492381
high stance masterrace
>>336494770
Theres this item you get when you finish the first stage that teleports you to the mission select.
>>336494770
Even something like Genji on the PS2 would be nice, where you have a map, but you also have small villages with merchants and NPCs that you can go to
So does anybody know what's going to happen to the demo after tomorrow? Is the demo just being pulled from the PSN store and the Mark of the Conqueror made unavailable, or will the demo just be automatically deactivated? I'm really hoping it's just the former and we can still play it if we already have it on our systems. I'm sure Revenants will be disabled but I still want to mess around with the demo more and try out the skills I ignored the first time through.
>>336495075
Oh, is that the seppuku sword?
>>336495482
No, its the wood thingie
Its one of the rewards
>>336492703
If you think the game is obtuse you're a games journalist that can't even pay attention to when there is text on the screen telling you how to do shit alongside a ghost narrator talking.
The game shoves information down your throat to the point soulsfags would call it handholding if it were in Dark Souls.
If you ignore the large text with a narrator, the menu with large glowing exclamation point that directs you to the encyclopedia where all the information you are given gets stored so you can see it again, the first cutscene that points you directly at the body with the sword that tells you how to equip it, and the videos they give you, then you're quite literally an idiot.
Is there any way to check your playtime?
I loved it, just remove the pulse system it's fucking stupid and add nothing to the game, it's almost worse than DMC4's exceed system
>>336495482
It's the branch.
If you use the branch you get teleported back to the map with all of your amrita, but it resets the level.
>>336495859
It's the whole mechanic of the game, pretty much active reload
It works perfectly fine
>>336495808
Game isn't obtuse but the "tutorial" mmessages are way to spread out for what i assume is the beginning area.
>>336495926
But once you get it the stamina is also unlimited
So why not make it unlimited in the first place
>>336496016
It's not though, it still costs Ki and you have to time it
>>336495958
Every tutorial message is placed where they want you to use a certain mechanic. The entire first stage is designed to teach concepts.
When you get the stone off the body right after the first bandit you run into the axe and spear guy on the hill and it says to use the stone to lure one away.
When you get the bow and arrow it's on top of the hill overlooking the mansion where the archer is below you and tells you how to equip it, fire it, and zoom in.
It does things like that throughout the first half of the map putting you in scenarios designed for that specific mechanic.
>>336493004
What summon?
>>336496296
>>336495958
>>336495808
The test of whether a game's conveyance is good is "Did most players get the message?"
The answer here is an emphatic "no."
>>336496016
Perfect ki pulses also gets rid of the youkai circle that fucks with your ki recovery
>>336496528
Clearly Team Ninja wasn't expecting people to be as dumb as games journalists are.
Maybe next time they'll just write up a wiki.
>>336494343
I agree, I haven't played a Souls game in a while so maybe that's why it feels fairly fresh. Enjoying myself despite how fucking stressful it is.
Also: summoning a phantom is fucking OP. The guy I just summoned for the second level led me to all the secret spots and basically demolished most of the enemies. I feel bad I got killed at the Cyclops at the fog door.
>>336496347
It's random, just looks for high level guys, it's a lightning sword.
>>336496296
bro you're officaly learning drop attacks 3/4 into the first area by a message when you have the common sense to do so early game if you played an action game. Even the cleansing effect when you pulse is given to you far to late.
Seems you think this game is perfect and can launch in this condition.
>>336496709
That's nice actually.
Then a hope they'll remove the ki sound at least, and the bloom too.
>>336496873
You learn cleansing when you're in a village full of Oni, the only enemies that utilize the yokai corruption.
You learn drop attack in an area designed specifically for the drop attack.
Or are you saying the Dark Souls 1 taught you the drop attack too late as well since you had to go all the way to the end of the tutorial zone to even use it?
>tfw getting my ass handed to me by the first oni
>>336497207
>>336496873
what point in the first levle does it teach you ki pulse? because holy shit i had no idea about it and it would have helped very early in the level like on the fuckin beach.
isn't there a survey for after the demo? maybe you should leave feedback there
i played it tonight for the first time and it's fun but i didn't get to grip with it, it seems very difficult
>>336497414
blocking is way more useful than dodging
its not like ds3 blocking where 1/3 or half your stamina is taken depending on your shield.
fuck you can block the first bosses moves really easily and hes fuckhuge
Honest question to the people that struggled, and don't lie to me please.
Did you read the tutorials in the start menu? Did you experiment with controls? Do you feel you explored well?
I'm genuinely not trying to be an ass and I died a bunch myself, but none of the mechanics seemed obtuse to me.
I recognized ki pulse as active reload pretty much immediately, I learned to stance switch before I fought my first enemy etc etc.
>>336497285
Get sloth, it will help a lot.
>>336490587
Or you can not be retarded and do it the easy way, water talisman, roll between the legs when he lunges, and when he goes 2nd form, use your spirit attack or whatever its called and go ham.
>>336496528
People nowadays have lost the ability to look beyond what's directly in front of them. This game has very clever level design in a way that demands the player think about his options and the surroundings, and that's just too much to ask of some people who are far too used to signposts and everything being detailed in a 2 minute cutscene beforehand.
>>336497605
Or I can simply throw a fire shuriken and watch it burn to death.
>>336497730
Begs the question how any of the "souls veterans" that find Ni-Oh too obtuse and difficult even managed to get through any of the souls games. I feel like the only answer is that they either read a wiki, a guide, or watched youtube guides.
>>336496751
>>336497730
I don't know a single person who figured out how ki pulse works based on what the game showed them. I and everyone I've talked to learned it from another person.
>>336497367
One of the dead bodies past the area with the ambush and split path tells you all you need to know without saying "Press R1 now to Ki Pulseā¢". It also mentions it during the loading screens after death. Speaking of, I'm sure everyone completely ignored those too, and the Help button.
2016's Wonderful 101
Niche game that's too hard for everyone but the 30,000 people who will buy it.
>>336497869
Souls games, comparatively, are much much simpler. R1 and R2 attack, circle dodges, that's literally all you need to know to grasp Souls combat.
Nioh requires much more knowledge of the game's systems to be competent. Ki pulse is absolutely vital to success, so is knowing all the differences between the dodges and attacks in different stances.
Nioh combat is more of an action game with combo trees and skills and execution requirements. That doesn't jive well with obtuse mechanics.
>>336497889
i had an argument with a guy asking what ki pulse was and he gave me the most condescending remark ever. he told me to go look at the online manual which i'm pretty sure doesn't exist
>>336497970
you realize those hints are random and requires you to die a lot. ki pulse still isn't explained is it? just says to press r1 now which should have been "press r1 after attacks at the right time to regen stamina quicker"
>>336498059
Man, it really is similar isn't it.
Oh well, I loved the shit out of W101.
>>336497604
I struggled, but I'll freely admit it's more down to my ability (or lack of it) than the game being obtuse. Systems like the Ki Pulse I learned fairly on through the internet however, so I don't know if my experience is like other people's.
Reminder DSP beat first stage with only 20 deaths
>>336497889
I figured it out. Even before you get the prompt telling you it's easy to notice how the Ki gauge fills before actually filling and wonder why it does that and try to change stances after attacking, at least for people who actually try to figure out how a game is played.
>>336498229
Even the boss? Damn.
>>336497889
It's just active reload if you ever played Gear of War or another game that used that system.
>>336498405
yup
>>336490018
it's also an exclusive, a new IP and from fucking team ninja of all devs
>>336498229
>implying it wasn't super obvious that he had played it beforehand and deleted his save
>>336498229
I died like 20 times on the first guy alone.
>>336497889
So somehow you missed the three times in the first stage that bodies talk about ki pulse and completely ignored every skill and the amrita memory encyclopedia that talked about ki pulse.
>>336498086
Because R1, R2, and circle is so much more complicated than Square, Triangle, and X.
The combo trees aren't even complex. I hit square for one hit, now do I press triangle to end the combo or keep going?
>stances don't combo well into one another
SHIT GAME
>>336498505
>Because R1, R2, and circle is so much more complicated than Square, Triangle, and X.
Now you're the one being obtuse.
>>336498110
The loading screen hints are random, but not the dead body ones. The hint itself says something to the effect of "When you finish an attack, return to a fighting stance to recover your Ki and prepare for another strike." Anyone should instantly home in on the word "stance" there and that's all you need to know. This is completely barring any kind of exploration that could and should be done by the player, since you know, exploring a game's mechanics is fun. Also if you had actually looked at the screen on the main menu, it tells you that a button takes you to the online manual.
>>336498423
I died a fair few times at the first area, before I got to grips with the mechanics. I died less after I opened the ladder shortcut, a few times to the Oni. Then a few times in the village proper. I think I probably died more times overall at the boss than the rest of the level.
Wish there was a way of checking stats.
>>336498474
Or maybe he released all his stupidity and incompetence when he fapped beforehand
>>336496347
Here you go, look for katana guys with purple weapon rankings when checking bloodstains( higher level seems to be he ones that have a chance to drop it). I farmed quite a bit. Nothing i found out damages a fucking katana.
>>336498597
I wonder if the game will ship with a mandatory 30 minute tutorial that's boring as fuck after all the struggles.
>>336498597
>it tells you that a button takes you to the online manual.
no fuckin shit? i still need to beat nue nue. i tried just helpin hosts but man the netcode is pretty bad. lots of teleporting
>>336497889
Then you're a retard. The game literally tells you what and how a ki pulse does, via an amrita memory.
>>336498589
No I'm not.
You use square for one attack, and triangle for another attack. X is your dodge.
How is that more complicated than R1, R2, O?
Are you going to say the stance system is too complicated too even though you have shit like two handing in Souls?
>>336490018
>What did you think of your time with the Nioh demo?
Combined with the fact that I barely get any use out of my PS4, I thought it was good enough to warrant purchasing the game. I need to justify to myself it was worth buying retroactively.
I beat the first level, and wanted to go back to it and level up a bit. Do I seriously need to beat the entire level again to go back to the mission select screen? I wanted to play the 2nd level.
>>336498653
Isn't that the boss sword?im quite certain actually,so ofc it will be the best weapon of an area.
>>336498653
Yeah, that's the sword you get for beating Nue.
>>336498653
i got stuck at the final boss of the demo and said fuck it and just farmed red spirits. cant seem to get anything good though.
spears are really good.
>>336498823
theres a branch item that returns to the mission select. not sure if it saves shrine progress if you actually return to the same mission
>>336494343
well technically speaking even souls enemies have a stamina bar, problem is you can't see it at all and lots of big enemies have such a huge pool that they look like they have infinite stamina, not only that but 90% of the time they stop attacking you after they break your shield guard for some reason
>>336498861
>>336498903
Yeah, i'm just saying you get it early if you take that route.
I will soon be. Ball and chain uggo's going down.
>>336498783
>then you're a retard
It doesn't matter why someone doesn't understand ki pulse, it just matters that they don't.
A majority of people who tried the demo didn't get the ki pulse mechanic, didn't get that they're only getting OHKO because they lack armor, and dropped it.
That's going to effect sales dramatically.I have my mark and I fucking crushed Nue, I love the game, but it's not going to sell well like this
>>336498653
Just wanna borrow this pic to point out something that people somehow overlook and then complain about. Not just the help but a ton of other options here are ignored. Maybe if people looked at the screen they wouldn't have so many problems.
>Got every Kodama
>Just too lazy to put the time in to beat Nue
I'm excited for the final release. I tried some co-op but it was laggy nonsense and I was almost only ever called to help with Onryoki, not to help clear out the level.
Serious game about samurai
>>336499007
Ganbare, anon-kun!
>>336498653
I also have a hammer and spear that have similar AR. First has wind damage, second has fire. Dunno if they're static weapons, but I got them before Nue. The traits are a little worse (no double bonuses for the same stance), but still leagues above all the other weapons I found.
Anyone watch manvsgame play this? the whole time he bitched about how you're playing as a fucking while male
God, that guy has gone full sjw
>>336499027
>its the game's fault i'm a retard.
kk kid.
>i-i-i-i-i t-t-t-totally have the conquerer mark
The only mark you have the is the mark of the cockmonger.
The game literally explains the ki pulse mechanic several times, and if you're too retarded to understand that armor reduces your damage taken, then just fucking get a gun and end yourself.
No release date yet?
>>336490018
Does it run on 60fps like their other action games?
>>336499341
i dont know how anyone can watch that drug addict
>plays for 2 minutes
>gets donation/sub
>thanks them
>play 1 more minute
>stop and rants or goes on a shpeel about something unrelated to the game
>gonna run adds now guys
>goes to do lines
>>336498754
It's right on the main menu before you hit New Game. The netcode does seem bad now but I'm hoping it's just because it's an early version, and that they're using this to test and improve it.
>>336499470
They're trying but it's an alpha, it run around 50FPS at720p
>>336499512
He also plays video games in front of an audience and then throws a hissyfit about backseat gaming.
Your shitty chat is going to want to give you shitty advice, just tune them out or say thanks and play along to get more money. Seems simple to me.
>>336498729
Hell I'm hoping they make it more difficult and nerf some things. The way it is now, Ninjutsu and Onmyo spells can completely break the game with very little stat investment. I at least have some faith that they'll understand why people are saying what they are, and that all the intelligent feedback will outweigh the uninformed comments, they have a history of knowing what to do.
>>336499341
>man vs game
Why would I watch that tweaked out cocksucker? He fried his brain with meth and now he screams on camera for funbux.
I've been linked to his stream before and he played for 2 minutes not understanding a mechanics, someone in chat told him what the mechanic was, then he banned the guy and went on a 15 minute rant about "backseat gaming"
>beat Oniryuki
>have no idea what the fuck ki pulse is
>>336499574
Seriously?
>>336499421
not him but i got through to the final boss without even knowing about it. so its not something completely vital to get through the game, but i can see it helping and makin it a lot easier of a game
>>336499553
oh i am just sayin i didn't realize it was there since i hopped right in and hardly went back to the main menu unless i was gettin off
>>336499697
and its sub only. i love it when streamers complain about it as well. it just shows insecurity.
they just feel like they have to address it so then you get all the cockriders all jump on you. its some power trip or something.
I wonder what could save this game
Perhaps if it was released on...PC?
>>336490018
This game is too hard for me
>>336499959
It would die even faster and be nothing but YOOOO kabuki memes.
>>336496296
But it's very poorly laid out. Most of the places where they tell you how to do something are all well AFTER other points in the map where you could have already done that same action or knowing how to do it would have been extremely helpful. Then they go and put a lot of other shit in between each one. Souls games usually do their tutorials very well in that thy introduce all of the mechanics immedialy, one right after the other, with a situation specifically designed to demonstrate that mechanic. NioH has like, 6 things you NEED to know before you even get into your first encounter and it doesn't bother to tell you all of them until you've gotten 6 enemies deep, resulting in A. you dying a lot, and B. you having to figure them out on your own through trial and error well before the game explains them. I understand what they're getting at but it's so poorly implemented. The mechanics are all great once you've learned them but the game is shit at helping you learn them. I don't mind how easy it is to die but I'd at least like to know the mechanics of why I just got my shit pushed in so I can learn from the death and not make the same mistakes next time.
only difficult part for me was getting through stage 2 near the part with the patrolling oni. they really throw them at you but they go down super quick with fire talisman
fuck the ninja oni's though
those tree trunk shortcuts make no fuckin sense though
>>336499898
There are two modes: cinema and action
Cinema is locked at 30FPS 720p
Action is unlocked FPS at...I want to say upscaled 660p? Usually 60FPS but lots of effects like fire will tank it.
>>336499858
I beat the entire demo with "accidental" Ki Pulse
Was pretty hard
Far easier knowing what Ki Pulse is, though
>>336500054
>The game would die faster if released on more systems
>>336499929
>its sub only
So people literally pay for the right to talk to him and then he bans them for talking about the thing he's doing?
That wacky methed-out fuck
>>336500057
the beginning is super rough since no armor and that two enemy pack is brutal with the axe guy.
ki pulse should have been one of the first things introduced after the first dude. after you are done swinging your sword at the first enemy it should say after
>>336497510
Dodging is still the preferred option though, as blocking chews through your weapon endurance.
>Guys in fundoshis
>Onis in fundoshis
>Onis wearing nothing underneath at all
Even when they're not trying they still cater to fetishes.
Have we ever figured out the elemental status effects yet?
>>336500290
well dodge for the grabs and getting behind enemies is the only thing i feel it being worthwhile. and eventually you get enough spare weapons and whetstones it shouldnt matter.
its especially faster to block after gettin hit since you can block faster than tryin to spam dodge
i am runnin katana/spear currently.
>>336500225
BUT MUH PIRATES AND NUDE MODS
>>336500057
Honestly if you need to know 6 things before encountering that bandit on the beach by himself in a large, open area beyond square, triangle, and X then you have problems that the devs can't fix.
>>336500398
If you combine two elements you create discord causing KI break and increased damage. It really only works on oni.
is there any way to switch the X and O buttons? i want to roll and dodge with O button. i would check, but i have to be online to play the demo, and my internet services in my state got bought out by some shit company so i can't play anything online at the moment -- been the case for over a week as well
>>336500232
i wonder if he cuts, since he always wears those stupid armbands to insinuate his skinny pale arms, its not a good look
>>336500398
Well except for burn and poison which are self explanatory no i haven't. On a side note i love the buff symbols in this game, way easier at conveying what the message does over dark souls.
>>336500398
Fire: Damage over time
Water: Defence reduction
Wind: i dunno lol
Lightning: Movement speed reduction
Earth: Ki Recovery reduction
Also doing two elemental statuses at once causes them to combine and drop their Ki to zero
>>336499801
I'd be fine with this, much like souls once you get over that initial hump the game gets kind of easy, I was hoping for another classic action game that has you struggling the whole way through.
Having said that I really don't see that happening. People who beat Dark Souls consider themselves a veteran of the "hardest game ever". If you want a laugh google souls vet Nioh. People use the term souls vet like it makes them the arbiter of video game difficulty.
"I'm a souls vet and I find this too hard so it's bullshit because souls is the hardest and fairest game ever".
>>336499929
Twitch chat is one of the worst cancers on the internet I think.
>>336500225
I think he means community wise, the more people who can play something the shittier the community, I don't think it's specific to any platform personally though. The only way to have a decent community is to keep it small. Bloodborne threads and the general tend to be a lot better in my opinion than souls ones. I don't think BB players are inherently better, I just think souls got too big for its own good and all the mouthbreathers showed up.
>>336500559
Isn't he a recovering addict? He's probably hiding track marks.
I'm honestly most excited about what other "spells" we'll get
I'm never a magic fag on my first playthrough, but the Magic route here looks fun
>>336500525
There are config styles but it's locked to only 1 playstyle for the alpha.
Finally! Just in time! When you see through the attacks and use some talismans to sap his stamina, the first boss isn't that hard.
Tried some of the second area. Seems pretty alright, got my ass handed to me by a cyclops kid gone huge.
Can't wait for the full game!
>>336500721
seems like more of a nose dude.
track marks would be around the inner elbow.
>>336500657
Kappa Dansgaming =O
so many kids who add dumb emotes at the end of their sentence like it makes it unique and funny.
i only watch two streamers. avoidingthepuddle and jaboodyshow
>>336500776
watch people complain about "plebs" abusing mechanics in the future. What has been revealed so far is hilariously OP.
>>336500875
>seems like more of a nose dude.
If he were less pale and thing I'd say it was coke but looking at how gaunt his face is he almost certainly was a meth addict.
I wish it wasn't a timed demo. I just wanna keep playing
>>336500875
They sit in there and spam as fast as they can as they chat flies by and they genuine find this fun. It's fucking absurd to me, maybe they get some sense of belonging out of it or something I don't fucking know. I've been disabling chat for years. Sometimes if I'm watching a tourny I get stupid and think maybe people are discussing the matches and I open chat, nah just fucking meme spam.
>>336500657
It's funny seeing how people complain, like how you can tell anyone that complains about fighting dwellers or Yokai 9/10 times don't bother changing stances. But it's a bit depressing by the same token too, they're all great games, and this kinda talk is gonna hurt things in the long run.
>>336501123
theres no real good reason to have chat open anymore. its got way out of hand now.
i usually chill in atp chat when theres a tourney, since theres always people there and you can actually discuss whats going on.
when atp is live though man it turns into cancer
Who Hammerbros here?
High-stance hammer is best.
>>336500521
1. blocking
2. dodging
3. attacking
4. locking on
5. back attacks can 1-shot
6 (optional but still helpful) ki pulse/ki in general
7. (optional but still helpful) stances
All of these are things that can have an effect on the very first fucking enemy and how much of it is explained? There's a reason there are a shitload of grave markers on the beach and it's not just because players can't think for themselves. It's because the game denies you critical information until some arbitrary point far beyond the beginning. It's not a particularly strong or smart enemy but with starting equipment, and no understanding whatsoever of the mechanics beyond "Sqaure and Triangle = attack" it's pretty easy to die to him.
Nobody here is asking for the game to hold their hand. It is pretty much universally agreed upon here that the mechanics and difficulty are right where they should be once you understand how things work. The fact of the matter is that the game is ass at explaining how things work.
Is this game anything like Nier?
>>336501561
No, why would you think that?
So I oneshot boss one after getting my ass kicked all through the levels until figuring out mechanics. Pretty good. Kick seems OP especially against Oni. Level 2 is fucking ridiculous though. A literal army of Oni and even ones that respawn. My god
>>336501529
I understand some people need to be spoonfed. But it personally confounds me that people don't test buttons out or open the menu and check the button layout or fucking anything.
I had a decent handle on the controls before I ever fought and enemy.
>watching a guy stream
>he's playing at level 1, no armour
>at the first boss
Holy shit I feel inadequate.
>>336501561
The protagonist is a middle aged white guy with white hair, and it's made by Japanese people. Apart from that, not really.
damn, i suck at this game, can't even get to the first boss
>>336501759
My only problem is that weapon skills/ninjutsu/onmyo magic is literally never explained. There needs to be at least a few sentences on it. Other than that it's learn/perfect as you go which is great
William looks a bit like Greg Davies
I was able to stunlock Nue to death with the shark weapon unleash thingy. Is that normal?
>>336490080
>get an OP hammer or ax
>fully charge up your spirit animal guage or whatever, preferably the lil hachi dog
>sprint to the boss fight
>activate hachi dog and use an OP lightning ax while taking no damage for a solid minute
>boss should have like next to no HP left by the time your spirit animal attack ends
That fight is easy to cheese, getting to the boss and learning the mechanics on the way was the actual challenge.
>>336502020
That stuff is probably in the main game. We're probably not even supposed to get ninjutsu/onmyoji shit in the first level or even more than one guardian.
A lot of the "broken" shit in the demo like the shark and ninjutsu/onmyoji magic were probably just put in for variety.
>>336500501
You have the Max Payne version of this?
Where do you get the slow talismans? I've put most of my points in heart, ki and body and I'm not going to grind. This ends today.
>>336501529
>blocking
>dodging
>attacking
All come naturally with pressing single buttons
>locking on
Not necessary for a first enemy but again can easily be discovered by pressing buttons or even checking the controls
>back attacks can 1-shot
You do not need a degree in Nipponomics to know that turning away from something trying to kill you might be a bad idea.
All of this stuff is perfectly easy to figure out by yourself by hitting buttons and applying some common sense and simple logic. Or applying common sense and simple logic by going to the options menu to have a quick look at the controls if you're really so scared by the first encounter. What happened to the days when people relished being able to learn how mechanics worked by testing things out and seeing what was possible by themselves?
>>336500776
I'm interested in the guardian spirit aspect.
I hope the lightning dog one levels up nicely, it's the qtest.
>>336502020
He thinks the "tutorials" are perfect, there's no reasoning with that guy. On a side note, this game is fucking ugly, even when it's not in action mode, i hope it gets a facelift by next year.
>>336499341
Do people not realize that William Adams really existed and was a half white dude?
>>336501750
thankfully theres a shrine locked behind a gate to the right facing the boss door, the key is to the left of said boss building
>>336502204
Yeah, when he loses his Ki you're able to stunlock him and get Amrita for hitting him like most Yokai, so using a Living Weapon with pretty much any spirit can lead to a victory if you're able to keep it going.
>>336502414
Anon, these people don't care about any "realism" or "lore reasons" or whatsoever if they mean that a white male is playable.
>>336501042
Yeah, me too. Hopefully they'll release a non-alpha, non-beta demo around the time the game is coming out.
>>336502414
Education or the desire to learn and outrage at the drop of a penny don't often go together.
When you hear something you don't like and you're given two choices, investigate or throw a tantrum then the second is definitely easier to do.
>>336502346
Did you check the Learn Skills menu? If you've learned them, how about on the Ready Jutsu menu, where it says at the bottom Set As Shortcut?
It looks like shit. A cheap, japanese knock off version of Dark Souls.
>>336502414
Wasn't even half white, he was full English.
>>336502750
Lmao dark souls is just a cheap japanese knock off of Demon's Souls though.
>>336502383
Stop being a dumb shit. No one said they were perfect, but they're fine and serve their purpose.
You can't account for people being too stupid to read which is apparently the category you fall in to.
How do I send out my fire doggo like in this webm?
I just completed the demo
I'll just say that there is no reason you don't have the full "guide" from the beginning.
>>336503042
triangle + circle
>>336503042
Triangle+Circle again while in Living Weapon.
>>336503274
If there was then people would complain even more about how it's supposedly throwing too much at you.
What time does the demo shut down?
>>336502204
That's how I beat him.
WHAT THE FUCK WHY CANT I PLAY THE GAME
>>336503375
My idea is to have them from the beginning at the Amrita Memories and still keep the "dead" voices tutorial.
Most people won't read the Amrita Memories shit, so i think its fine
Has anyone else had a lot of trouble with connecting in matchmaking? It keeps dropping for me.
>>336503593
>>336503375
I'm just saying it because i ended up skipping the Bow tutorial in my first playthrough
So i ended up learning late that you can zoom with it
The End is Nigh
>>336503593
Considering people don't even listen to the dead voices Team Ninja would be better off just providing a hyper link to a wiki for Ni-Oh with a youtube playlist on the next body.
>>336503761
Maybe if you die 3 times to the first enemy the game just closes and opens an lp for you to watch instead.
Fuck it i'm gonna play the demo one more time before it's over
>>336502204
Yeah the meter fills up faster than it depletes if you're using a katana. I couldn't do it with my spear but was surprised when I killed Nue in one try with the shark.
>>336503909
> Ohayo minna san, this is Ken desu. Today I'm going to teach you all about how to play the glorious Samurai action game Ni-oh
> watch as I guide you through the toughest opponent yet, the bandit on the beach.
So I've got my Mark of the Conqueror for defeating the boat boss.
Any reason to play further? I'm a little tired, I can deal with not having completed the second mission if there's no mark for it. I'm happier leaving more of the game fresh for me when I get it anyway.
>>336504619
No, there's no more DLC stuff, it's just another level for you to play if you want.
Man, i don't know how they going to balance the Living Weapons.
They're seriously strong and can trivialize most fights.
>>336504619
Only need the conqueror mark, second level just gives more taste of the game.
Co-op is fun
>>336500218
Fuck those things and their gay little walk
>>336504738
Nothing really wrong with how it is now, like most games, it'll become second nature once you get the hang of it. difficulty came from the level for me.
I actually beat both bosses my first try, but it took me 2 hours to get to each.
>>336504716
Alright, thanks.
>>336504802
Glad I have the option, but I'm happy to wait and play the full thing.
>>336504738
There will be certain enemies and bosses that can lay down a youkai field that forcibly cancels the living weapon and seals it for a period of time, keeping you from using it and takes away its passive benefits.
>>336504738
I think it's fine right now honestly. It's one of those situations where it rewards people for actually knowing how to play the game.
Alright, I can get past the first phase of the boat boss easily now, usually without taking any damage. But that second form.. The two things that always ALWAYS get me are the 180 degree spin when his back is to you, and the grab where he bites you and throws you down which is almost always a one hit kill.
This game needs some from of summon signs/in game summoning method for sure. I hope it's just a demo thing with how poorly co-op is implemented.
>>336505123
Keep trying, the second phase isn't harder than the first phase at all
>>336505123
just run around in a wide arc until he has attacked and you have your opportunity.
No shame in running around.
Also, talismans and your living weapon help drain his stamina. Then you can stunlock him easily.
>>336505123
Don't approach his back without guarding. Just be cautious but stick close.
>>336490018
So how do you view your Mark of conquer after you beat both bosses?
>>336503593
That would probably be fine but I can still see people complaining, either because there's too much to read or they won't even find the option there. I've lost a lot of faith in people's ability to videogame.
>>336505175
Wouldn't suprise me if it's a last minute addition.
The whole game feels like it was something completely different before they decided to fuse it with Souls
>>336490018
It looks like a lot of fun. It'd be cool if since they're from team ninja, they could implement some of the crazy Ninja Gaiden shit without going too overboard obviously.
>>336505123
Second phase you want to go to stay to his backside.
Anyone else things they need a better way to deal with quickslots ? dunno how they're gonna do it since all the buttons are already taken.
>>336505393
I'd imagined it's because of how games nowadays often hold your hands. I played games since the NES, so I'm used to trying things out and looking at all the menus/options and stuff.
>>336505431
Low stance is more or less Ninja Gaiden mode already, it's pretty fun.
TOMORROW IS THE LAST FUCKING DAY
START A NEW FILE
FISTS ONLY
NO ARMOR
15 KODAMAS
LETS DO THIS
>>336502414
William Adams the real life sailor was full english; William the Ni-Oh protag is hafu
So are there weight break points or just the heavier you are the slower you are in a scaling fashion?
Whats was your feedback anon.
>>336505390
on the starting screen you can press square to go to the page to like and download the conquer data.
>>336497510
weapon degradation
>>336505551
>>336505360
>>336505287
>>336505242
>>336505123
Holy fuck, I did it. I only went in for combos after he did his frenzy and fall attack. Otherwise I just dodged the ball throws.
show me a video of someone fighting two ninjas at the same time. it's fucking impossible
>>336505826
>another weapon slot
>whetstone
>>336505745
>more music
please we already have music in the background.
I got my mark and never used the Guardian Spirits.
I liked looking at fire doggo though. Cute git.
Yellow doggo was also cute.
Are they that good in combat?
>>336505875
Grats,
Now download your mark and go to the second area to get your ass kicked.
>>336505901
If you're paying any attention whatsoever you will never ever fight more than 1 at a time.
>>336505957
I only used it on bosses. maybe they'll refill faster in the final game.
>>336505901
Just back off and bait them into chasing you. When they do you literally just start swinging when their in range. Rinse and repeat.
>>336505924
More good music i guess, because i'm trying to remember any song and i'm drawing blank.
>>336505924
It's so nondescript it's almost unnoticeable
>>336505901
Keep trying to parry. When one of them runs out of ki, run up and slash them, focus on the other and beat him to death.
>>336492552
stunlocking bosses needs to go, makes the game way too trivial.
Dark Souls bosses are still tougher than anything in Ni Oh so far
What's the point of the mini map in this game BTW. Feels so unnecessary.
>>336505901
Here's 4 at the same time, get good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW6DA_AJb5I
haven't had time to finish this off but I'm gonna go try and burn through it. I just opened the door with a key, how much further to the boss I need to beat?
>>336505901
instant block parry, fire shuriken
Does anyone have that speedrun video?
>>336506163
At the end of that level you'll find the boss, he's on the boat in the distance.
HOLY MOTHER NIGGER
YOU CAN FUCKING KI PULSE WITH THE GOD DAMN DASH? FUCKING HELL IM LIKE GOD DAMNED SPEEDSTER
I don't like that regular enemies can follow you in the boss room if they aggro you.
>>336506243
OH SHIT ITS ONLY WITH LOW STANCE. LOW STANCE HHHHHHHOOOOOOOOO MOTHERFUCKERS
>>336506052
I got my Spirit up to 12 and found it refilled pretty fast.
It also seems to refill on its own? I thought it only refilled when you go Amrita.
>>336505718
You can look at your status to see your current weight class, and it's also colour coded on any screen to show what you're at. <30 is A, <70 is B, >100 is D. The lighter you are, the further your dodge goes and the less Ki it takes to attack dodge and dash, but the heavier you are, the less Ki it takes to block.
Well, all done Now to wait for October, or another demo in the meantime (please be another demo).
If I downloaded the demo off the EU store but I'm playing on a US account is the DLC still compatible and available to download?
Figure I might as well run it on alt accounts incase the actual game is region locked or anything but don't really want to redownload it again.
>>336506163
By the end of the village you will find a beach with a boat in it.
The boat is the boss but first go right because its the shortcut to unlock a shortcut
I cheesed Onryoki by summoning a visitor.
>>336506331
don't run to the boss room like a fucking scrub. This isn't shit souls.
What level i am supposed to be for boat boss?
>>336506419
I don't think you can play with your american account in the european game
At least i couldn't.
>>336503739
Nigh-oh
>>336506563
Recommended level for the next mission is 25 so you should be close to that.
>>336506563
I think i finished it with 17?
I mean theres some dude who beat at level 1.
>>336506135
It's probably feature bloat from 12 fucking years of development
This game seems interesting but shills have been so aggressive with it that I've been completely turned off by the idea.
>>336506536
Shit enough to steal mechanics from it team ninja employee
>>336506243
>mfw that's how I did all my Ki Pulsing until I got the tutorial telling me to hit R1 to Ki Pulse
Space your tutorial messages better you fucks, this is super important info
>>336506750
Shut the fuck up and play it yourself, and form your own opinion.
Fuck man, hivemind people like you are the worst.
>>336506626
You mean Nigh-YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>336506847
NO IT'S PERFECT AS IS YOU JUST DON'T GET IT.
>>336506754
Mr. Director already said that they changed direction for Ni-Oh after the release of Demons Souls. So it's stealing from the best Souls ;^)
Anyone else find Noh far easier than boat boss?
Boat boss is more like a modern DS3 boss with its never ending bullshit to dodge, but Noh had telegraphs and a legit weak spot you could it more than once. It felt more like something from Demon's Souls.
>>336505627
THIS IDEA FUCKING SUCKED NEVERMIND
>>336506958
t.conquered
Go watch a 3 hour lets play since you're so bad.
>Never figured out how to Ki pulse and I've gone through the game twice to find all the little green faggots.
Shrugs a plenty.
>>336507075
Nue was way easier for me, Onryoki fucked my shit up. Though some anon's had the opposite.
>>336507043
Can't wait for the other playable characters.
There's no reason for William to have this massive character select style screen when you're selecting a level without other characters being added.
The first level was good but the second level is just fucking tedious. There's no reason every single oni has to have a million health. It's just fucking boring.
Was going to buy this game before I played the 2nd level. Not even gonna bother now.
Is it actually possible to bare handed parry someone with a spear?
>>336490253
personally im waiting for it to be free for ps+ subscribers lmao
>>336507316
Only enemy that gave me a lot of trouble was the ninja type oni. Fuck those guys.
>>336507316
A million health?
Took three to four swings at their head with high stance to kill them all.
Kill more phantoms, they drop the good shit, because you must have had trash
>>336507336
Yes
I just noticed that the map is called "Kyushu Region" I wonder if we will travel through other regions like Kanto or Hokkaido.
Can't wait for the other bosses.
Lots of cool shit possible
I think I'm only half way through the first area. How long until we lose access?
>>336507134
Calm your tits you shill ninja. It's not my fault your last games have all been flops and franchises ruined. We all no the direction the company went in after the only developer it's known for left.
>>336507526
I'm hoping for a massive city hub
>second level
>get a tutorial message talking about perfect Ki pulses getting rid of the underworld mist shit that keeps Oni's Ki from draining
I already figured this out but talk about fucking late. Is this a repeated tutorial message that I somehow missed in the first level or did they actually wait until the second level of the demo to tell you about this?
I really dislike the Diablo style loot and the skill trees.
I'd prefer if it was just buying skills with the same money you use for level up. The equipment system could just be removed if it was up to me
>>336508078
It's in the first I'm pretty sure, I remember using that strategy in the first level after all
>>336490018
What do I even get if I finish it.
And where the fuck do I go now I came to a door that was locked and I have no key.
>>336508078
It's repeated.
The tutorials could be better on the whole, though
>>336508173
Key's in the hut.
Also some sort of DLC they haven't said what it is yet.
>>336508078
I'm pretty sure there are at least two Ki Pulse messages in the first level.
One near the gank squad near the mansion and one near the mansion
>>336508173
The key is about 5 meters from the door
>>336508154
>>336508209
>>336508276
Thank Christ
how do i go back to the map where i was when i finihsed the demo? i started the first level again
>>336490018
I didn't beat it but I played it for about an hour and enjoyed it after I looked up some tips online
Before that though I was insanely frustrated due to getting 1-2 shotted by everything and always running out of stamina no matter how much I managed my stamina
It's sort of retarded how badly explained everything is and how much harder the game is when you have shit gear
How do you become a conqueror? Beat the first level or the second?
>>336508173
Exclusive shit for when the game actually comes out
Literally like 10ft away in the nearby building, kill the Oni.
>>336492929
Yes, it's not appealing at all for how much the game wants you to do them.
>>336508410
First
>>336508410
First, second is just if you want to play more
I hope we get more idyllic visages in this game
I'm all for doom & gloom, but at least give me some blooming sakura trees
wew lad, just got meme of the conqueror.
how close was i to the demo ending?
I think it's overly complicated for how fast it is. There's like five or six different systems on top of each of each other. It's too much. It's not elegant.
I think it would work better if they stripped out the RPG stuff and just made a really tight action game. Or the other way around. A lot of the mechanics and shit don't mesh together.
Has potential though.
>>336508336
You got an item for that, the Himorogi Branch.
>>336492929
I honestly don't know what they're going for with that mechanic. It's probably just something to keep the game from being too similar to Souls
>>336508690
Halfway. Its long for a demo
>>336507526
The first stage is the island the real life William Adams landed on so chances are they're going to follow William all the way to Kyoto and becoming a Samurai under Tokugawa Ieyasu.
>>336508078
It's a repeated message. You get it the first time in the burning village. There are three repeat tutorial messages in the second stage.
>>336508816
Why would they strip out something that have been commonplace in action games?
>>336508842
The description for that says that you return to map without losing your "souls", so it seems like an alternative metho
>>336506135
The shark spirit lets you see enemies and shrines on the mini-map.
>>336508842
thank you
its wierd that you onyl have 5 it sould be unlimited
>>336509053
No, it's the only way to leave the mission in the demo.
>>336509065
Shark bro best bro
I hope we get more weapon types
Dual Kats
>>336509157
Preach it, my selachimorph brother.
>>336509108
It's limited because you leave the mission all together with your amrita. The traveler's charm is also limited because you get to keep your shit.
The harakiri sword is unlimited use because you don't get to keep your shit.
>>336499074
Go watch the LP retards play this on Youtube. 9/10 of them will not even be aware that gear has stat requirements even though it's right fucking there on the fucking screen.
>why are these numbers red on this purple item? What ever XD
And most of them are souls faggots to boot.
>>336509253
lmao 2kat
>>336509053
>>336509108
You only get them after finishing the first mission, and before then you get the Travel Amulets so it's pretty easy to assume what it would do. In the full game they'll probably have something that takes you back to the map but forfeits your Amrita.
>>336509253
In the equipment menu there is a katana paired with a wakizashi, a flintlock, and sickle with a chain weight.
We'll probably get Miyamoto Musashi's fighting style with the main hand katana and offhand wakizashi.
I got the mark using high stance only with no understanding of how ki pulse works.
It's pretty doable, I just played it like dark souls. One or two hits while the enemy recovers and then roll away and wait for the next opening. Didn't take long for most enemies to fall in one combo without any need for care anyway.
Just got the mark, how close was I to the demo shutting down? only learned about this today so I cut it a bit close.
>>336509308
The journalists doing previews on this are even worse.
Shit, I forgot about this and got busy at work.
When is the demo ending?
>>336509453
>sickle and chain
Muh dick
>>336509746
TONIGHT NIGGER
Idon't realize the demo was timed, only started it today.
I'm at the burning village right now, able to consistently make it to right outside the ship before I get my shit rekt.
Am I close to the first boss? Should I bother to power on just to see if I can make it?
>>336490018
It's pretty neat. Just beat the Nue today.
It's quite a bit different from Souls, though. There's room for both, and I'm not looking forward to a generation of angry Nioh fans complaining when it isn't nearly as popular. Hell, there are Dragon's Dogma fans who won't shut up about how DD is better than Souls, and those games are miles apart.
>>336509960
If you're near the ship you can just go to the shortcut. Anyone the boss is on the boat.
>>336509960
If you're fighting your way to the boat every time, you might wanna try just sprinting past and unlocking the shortcut to the shrine. The boss activates when you get near the boat.
>>336509960
Yes you are
Once you get to the beach turn right and climb the hill to open the shortcut.
The boat is the boss
>>336510034
Considering the first two days of the demo were nothing but soulsfans shitposting Ni-Oh threads....
>all these fucking demons in the second level of the demo
how am i supposed to do this?
Man, going back through the first level again after beating the Nue is so much fun. They couldn't do shit to me anymore.
>>336510164
>>336510150
>>336510142
Alright, gonna try for another hour or so to finish this out.
Wish me luck.
>>336510327
You kill them.
Just pull them one by one.
>>336510034
I would prefer if they left the Souls style pseudo-multiplayer elements out, they feel tacked on here.
Koei's probably pushing them to sell to the Souls crowd, though
>>336510373
ganbatte William-sama
>>336510506
they'll just wear me down eventually.
>>336505994
It kicked my ass at first, but the cyclops aren't too bad if you roll dodge their attacks instead of trying to block them. Zombie crawling guys are still annoying as hell cause they're often too low to hit properly.
how much longer?
>>336510373
Good luck
>>336510565
It's not really Koei pushing it like that. They aren't even doing souls style marketing at any of the events. The director said back in 2010 when they announced that Ni-Oh still existed that they were in a slump because Tecmo didn't want it to be a Ninja Gaiden clone. They found inspiration in Demons Souls and that's when they began work on the current incarnation of Ni-Oh.
The real shame is that Dark Souls has become so divorced from its roots that the current fanbase by large probably doesn't even know Demons Souls exists.
>>336510841
We need a William version of Ken-sama
>>336490018
I beat the boss and got the conqueror thing
what the fuck is a ki pulse?
>>336510912
There already is. William is a real anjin.
>>336510975
I mean, a drawing of this game's William in that kimono with that pose
>>336510659
You have two other stances. Bait their attacks when you know they have armour.
Do you get anything for beating Nue?
>>336511765
Nothing like the mark of the conqueror.
Just regular ingame rewards
>fighting boat demon with mid-stance katana
>trying to bait attacks, dodge, then pop in for a hit-kick to chip his stamina and back off
>he barely has any recovery time and my attacks do piss all damage even with high stance axe
I'm gonna have to just grind elixirs and my spirit pal's gauge, aren't I?
>that feeling when you get the mark
>knowing that you suceeded while many others failed
Is this how superiority feels like?
>>336512397
No
Stop kicking the boss you retard
Its not efficient
>>336511945
which im guessing is pointless since character data will be wiped for good after tomorrow
>>336512550
As far as I can tell it's the best way to crush his stamina.
Am I really just better off trying to get a combo off while avoiding his ball'n'chain constantly?
>>336498110
> the online manual which i'm pretty sure doesn't exist
actually yeah, there's an online manual.
>>336512659
probably
>>336512676
Literally just
>run past him
>hit him thrice
>defend
>get some distance to regen stamina
>repeat
Second stage
>run around
>when he does his grab/ground pound run around him and hit twice/thrice
>get some distance and repeat
>>336509108
Enemies in the second mission drop those branches. I think the big cyclops enemies. So you can get as many as you want. You can hold up to 20 at a time.
>>336512676
It is the best way to crush his stamina. Kick takes off like fucking 20%. Honestly you should be able to dodge around back of him, get in a few hits followed by a kick, Ki pulse, and dodge out. Break his stamina then Living Weapon to knock him down to around 15-20%. After that its just dodging while slowly dealing chip damage. If you can't handle dodging while comboing with the kick just get in a single hit and kick then dodge out
>>336490018
I really enjoy it, but it's been a heavy workload week in terms of school and other bullshit, so I haven't even made it to the second shrine yet.
That being said, I'm totally getting it when it comes out. There's just no way I'm finishing it tonight. It's going to require actual learning to chain my shit together for ki pulses. It's really fucking cool, just wish they'd timed this demo after fucking finals, not just before.
>>336511296
I completely forgot about the other stances, ugh. I've been in mid the whole game, silly me.
>>336490018
Game is good, they just need to polish abit and get rid of some of the bullshit zero startup guaranteed combo instant hits some of the heavy hitting enemies have.
>>336513097
I don't really think the other stances are worth shit. Low deals literally no fucking damage so even with dodge pulsing it's not worth it. High stance takes fucking three swings and your stamina is gone. Mid stance is the only one worth using
>>336513305
For katana?
High and mid are worth using,low is weak unless you want to play defensively
For spear high and low are better than mid
For axe, high and mid are worth it
>>336513362
whats going on here.
>>336513470
Katana high takes way to much stamina. I was using lmao2kats up until I got the hammer from the end of the 2nd level and I still prefer mid stance because of the stamina consumption
>>336510646
Find the shortcuts. The ones in black fog don't respawn. Once you kick down the second tree, you can run straight there from the start of the level, and from there run along the north shore of the water all the way back to the start of the level, where you can open a shortcut. You can do all of that only fighting two enemies once you go to the tree: a giant cyclops and a dweller (zombie thing) right before. There's a second dweller near the edge of the water that will firebomb you, but you can run by without it noticing.
With that shortcut open, from the first shrine run through the door, kill that same dweller again, and keep to the left of the big building. You'll pass by two cyclops kids. Kill them (don't let them hit you twice or else they become big cyclopses), then take out the black fog oni near the tree branch nearby. Then the black fog further back along the path (staying to the left edge as much as possible).
At the rear is a body with an item. It's a key. Go back to shrine to heal if you need it, otherwise go back to the intersection with the branch. Follow in front of the big building that was to your right when moving forward towards the key. Carefully draw out the dweller waiting just inside the front entrance and kill it, then wait for the patrolling oni to go away. Run straight through, avoiding the oni and the black fog in front of the actual door.
You'll hit a gate. Open it with the key and inside is a shrine! But you'll have to kill another dweller first, and a living statue thing near the shrine (doesn't respawn).
All of that without fighting a single patrolling oni, only one giant cyclops (and a second one in the black fog in front of the boss door), and three black fog onis (one at the second kicked down tree, two en route to the key).
Once you're at the second shrine, you can explore thatlittle hell hole of onis, firebombing dwellers, and cyclops kids stealing your amrita to grow huge at your own leisure!
>>336512936
>ki pulse
Not sure what that is senpai
Though I tried that with the wolf spirit (fastest buildup afaik) and it worked pretty well, though I'm pretty sure it's strong vs fire so I'm swapping back to shark bro and giving it another few goes.
Cheers.
>>336513550
You use high katana for one blow or two in a combo or against a slumbering enemy, not extensively
this is a timed demo?
I had it downloaded since last week but have yet to play it.
wtf?
>>336490080
git gud or turn on easy mode
>>336513490
Cyclops bugged out.
>>336513659
Yes
It ends in a few hours
>>336490018
Seriously, fuck modern "gamers." Learn how to fucking figure a game out you fucking pieces of shit.
>>336502348
>What happened to the days when people relished being able to learn how mechanics worked by testing things out and seeing what was possible by themselves?
Nothing, but the game should at least explain the basic controls and mechanics at the beginning.
>all these people that play solely in 1 style and never switch
>>336513615
>no ki pulse
Theres your fucking problem. Ki Pulse is R1. When you use stamina and the bar begins to full up with white, before actually recharging stamina. When you hit R1 when the white bar is filling you instantly recharge any stamina the white bar is covering. So you combo a few hits, ki pulse, then dodge out. You should still have at least 50% stamina left
>>336513770
well fuck.
guess I'll just delete it then.
Why even have a timed demo? they act like we have all the time in the world to play these games.
>>336513894
You had about 9 days
>>336513963
should be there indefinitely.
>>336513894
It's been open since the 26th or 27th. You've had enough time
>>33651404
Its a 4-8 hour demo
You had 240 hours to play it
>>336514041
It's an alpha meant to garner feedback and a little media attention but mostly to give people who are already interested in the game a little taste. If you wanted to play it, you would have already
>>336511074
I suck at shooping, but I tried my best.
Gomenasai, my name is William-Sama.
Iām a 36 year old English Anjin (Navigator for you gaijins). I plot courses on my charts, and spend my days perfecting my map-reading and playing superior Nipponese games. (Hanafuda, Mahjong, Janken)
I train with my Raikiri Katana every day, this superior weapon can cut clean through steel because it is folded over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my scroll of sword mastery two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.
I speak Nipponese fluently, both Kanji and the Kyushu dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Nipponese history and their bushido code, which I follow 100%
When I get my Nipponese Red Seal, I am moving to Edo to attend a prestigious Academy to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become a vassal for the Shogun or a merchant!
I own several kimonos, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Nippon, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Nipponese as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.
Wish me luck in Nippon!
>>336513858
>>336513858
The only style that gets a low amount of use from me is low, only use it for dodging bosses and running.
>>336514193
>It's an alpha meant to garner feedback
ah ok, then that makes sense
>If you wanted to play it, you would have already
thats stupid to assume.
>>336514313
>im a retarded who gets things but doesnt use them
fuck you and your generation of "gamers"
>>336513362
>All that Amrita
What the fuck
>>336514313
How so? It's been out for plenty of time, the demo itself tells you that its not permanent. Even if you didn't know about it up until the demo was actually released, you didnt hear about the game literally ten minutes ago unless you're the literal 0.1%
>>336514427
yeah fuck being an adult with responsibilities.
>I actually agree with you. being an adult sucks.
I can't game for hours like I used to. By the time you have time you're tired as fuck. Was hoping to play it this weekend finally, but I guess not.
>>336505901
Yeah it kind of is unless you are overleveled
>>336514515
I heard that it was a demo but I not that it was timed.
Actually since I'm on here now so I might as well just go play it for a few hours instead.
thanks guys.
>>336513667
If you use the water spirit (shark) you can deal even more damage in living weapon mode.
>>336514574
You had the previous weekend
Its what I did
Just admit you were late to the party, its not the game fault
>>336513305
Both stances are great. High's Ki costs can be mitigated somewhat with Ki Pulses and you're not really meant to go all in with it anyway. Low stance is the exact opposite since you can cut in and out and dodge so easily you can make up for the low damage with the sheer number of hits you do as well as not ever getting hit yourself.
>>336514574
I'm a full time Uni student with a full time job. I had finals this week. It's been out for a week. You've had time
>>336513305
>High stance takes fucking three swings and your stamina is gone.
>Not using all your level points in heart
what a pleb
>>336514748
I've tried low stance a lot. It takes 3-5 hits for me to match even one mid hit. I fucking love low stance because dodge pulsing but I just dont use it because literally no damage
this game is complete garbage
>>336514668
Firedog is the most damaging per hit especially when activated at low health, Shark just lasts the longest.
>>336514767
Don't worry anon, this game is for true hardcore gamers, not for filthy casuals like you.
>>336514863
>because literally no damage
Because you're pressing square. Stop pressing square and start pressing triangle.
>>336506419
Just an update for anyone else who cares, playing the EU version of the demo with a US account won't allow you to unlock the DLC so you have to download and install the US copy of the demo and the same for other regions too I imagine.
>>336490018
Well I recently finished the first level and now I'm curious. Is the Oni boss supposed to be a collection of the fear and hatred of the Japs/Chinese that were on that ship? The small cutscene before the fight made me think it was a slave ship of Japs and Chinese being transported to Europe before the bandits fucked them up.
>>336514863
Use more triangles, back attacks and Heaven Flash. Low stance can get around people really easily. Besides, 3 hits is no time at all for low stance.
>>336514998
I got the Mark in both the EU and JP versions. JP version didn't have any dismemberment. Shamefur dispray.
Farthest I got was to this place with 2 guys and a axe wielding asshole waiting for me and some crazy ass fire demon inside a building. There was a gate that I ran up to while naked running past everything just scoping shit out, but it's locked. Do you get the key from the demon?
>>336514970
I used the shark to kill the demon because I tought water deals more damage to fire enemies, but I haven't really read to much about the spirits, so maybe you are right.
>>336515089
It seems to me that the demon was a prisoner
Likely tortured by some filthy gaijin
>>336515089
Maybe it's just a fucking demon in a boat. This isn't a Souls game.
>>336515176
Yes
>>336515089
Its a Oni manifested from the emotions of the slaves transported on the ship
>>336515313
Funny you say this when they give you hints of what happened through spirits and through the debriefing in the world map
>tfw got the demo but never got around to playing it
Takes me forever to start anything and it doesn't help that I had DaS3 on the go.
>start playing Bloodborne
>spamming blood vials trying to do a heavy attack
>frantically mashing X only to get smashed in the face
>wasting at least one fire paper every fight
Makes me feel like a retard
>>336515089
>>336515313
Yes. Like they literally spell it out when you finish the level.
It's made from the grudges of people that died in the slave trade.
You can even hear someone asking for help when you defeat it
>>336515243
>>336515430
Neat. I hope this vidya has Yasuke in some form in the final version. I should add that to the survey.
>>336515313
But anon, we're just enjoying ourselves here.
>>336515816
>Yasuke
WEI agree, though. That would be rad.
>>336515816
I'm willing to be they are going to run the gambit with a whole host of Oni legends and possibly some of the Japanese pantheon.
Who /high-stance katana/ here?
To the anons who gave me advice; cheers. Just beat the first boss.It reconfirmed for me that ARPGs with stamina gauges are not my cup of tea and that I don't want the game, but thanks. Feels good to at least walk away from the demo knowing I was able to git gud enough to at least scratch the surface of it.
>>336516049
Yasuke is not an oni
>>336516071
>that spoiler
That's why demos should still be a thing.
Yep.
Haven't defeated Nue yet, though.
Should I pump lightning resist and give him another go?
mark should only drop if you beat Nue by yourself
should be some baller ass unique skin or unique effect trinket
>>336499190
I DID IT! I AM A CONQUEROR!
>>336516623
you can't even pump LIT res well, its just you take maybe about 300 less damage unless you cheat and pump your stats for res
best advice, slow him and hide under the doorway to avoid the lighting, it just hits the roof.
Is the Nioh demo the greatest demo of all time? I mean, just think about it for a sec. Has there ever been a demo of this caliber? This shit has more content than most games.
Why are there like five different element talismans?
Enemies don't seem to have weaknesses and they all seem to do the same thing + an auxiliary effect that usually doesnt activate before the enemy dies
>>336516931
The chests on either side of the boss area give a full set of lightning resist armor and you can get lightning resist talismans.
>>336516951
It's a fucking demo?
what the fuck are you supposed to do about this boss? I can break its horns easily but then everything is just instakill unavoidable bullshit.
>>336516951
Fire = causes burning
Wind = increased range with attacks
Lightning = causes the enemy to slow down
Earth = causes enemy's stamina to regenerate slowly / prevents enemy regenerating stamina
Water = I forgot
Also, if you manage to cause two elemental attributes on the same enemy, the enemy will gain the yin-yang status, where they are shrouded in a purple aura, take 1.75x damage, and lose all stamina.
>>336516950
and less game-breaking bugs than most games, it's impressive considering it's an alpha
>>336490018
The game ain't complex and obtuse. Just hard and requires you to have at least some mastery over the games systems to progress.
Stop being that faggot in every Souls thread saying Souls games are hard.
>>336516623
The lightning is easy to avoid. Watch for him to start shaking, then the bolts come in fours and always loosely track. You can avoid them without even sprinting, but he leaves himself wide open during it.
HEY
DID YOU BEAT THE GAME?
FILL THIS OUT
BE HONEST
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/form/nioh_uk
AND TELL THEM THE GAME NEEDS MORE ITEM QUICKSLOTS
>>336490018
Game's fun as fuck but Skill weapons feel seriously underpowered vs their Heart/Body counterparts. Especially if you're trying to go for a light armor build and you can't take hits for shit. Low stance sword attacks turn you into a fucking blender though.
Is there gonna be a Portuguese bad guy in this game? I feel like there will be
>>336517368
It's actually not the Lightning that gets me most of the time, it's usually the two-swipe attack that has shittons of tracking.
>>336517529
Jesuits did nothing wrong.
>>336516790
Well it doesn't. What now?
I bet you use Sloth.
>>336517605
Best way to avoid that is to keep your distance and move around him. Block it if you can, it's not always the best option but it's fine if you block only one swipe, better if it's the second so you can go for a counterattack if he gets ready to roll after.
Is my PS4 dying or is the framerate in the village absolutely terrible?
>>336500218
Those small guys die like little bitches to Mid stance Triangle Stabs.
>>336514221
>Raikiri
>Cut through steel
>Not lightning
>>336517529
>Defeat Aruberuto
>Mission reward: 5x Bacalhaus, 3x Himerogi Branches, 1 Zulfiqar
>>336516931
>>336517368
>>336517885
Amusingly enough I started up the game just then and completely fucked Nue in about 2 minutes without getting hit once.
I guess I just needed a break.
What do now?
>>336517174
>Earth = causes enemy's stamina to regenerate slowly / prevents enemy regenerating stamina
supposedly doubles ki costs overall
>>336517660
They tried to have Williams executed for piracy because he was protestant and Portugal was technically at war with EnglandSpain had control over Portugal at that time due to succession fuckery. The emprah saw through this bullshit though.
>fight Nue
>it does that one attack that will expose his weak spot that kills all its stamina when hit
Holy shit Nue becomes a complete joke when I found this out
>>336517605
as long as your not a high stancer
>>336517976
old level
Holy fuck senpai, that's an improvement.
>>336518430
>5x Bacalhaus
>1 Zulfiqar
>>336490018
how do u roll?
I seriously don't understand what I'm doing wrong against the boss. I can't do anything to it without taking damage myself since the hitboxes are the entire room and there's no invulnerability when dodging.
>This game is fun as fuck and a day 1 buy for me, but it's going to flop HARD.
Late to the thread, but I'm just popping in to tell you guys this is 100% not going to happen. Nioh will sell very well. From an insider to you pleb masses.
Nue is a piece of shit. That 4-part lock-on lightning stunlocks me so if I slip up and just the first hits me, I'm dead.
>Full game comes out
>inb4 Nobunaga is the final boss and is the cause of the Yokai infestation.
>Can only change stances mid combo not weapons
What a shit game. I thought it was going to be crazy like Ninja Gaiden.
>>336500776
cuhrazy
>>336519497
Probably Tokugawa, unless Nobunaga comes back from the dead.
>>336519575
>he doesn't know
R1+O nigga
>>336519643
Nobunaga comes back from the dead in quite a few Japanese works. Expect him.
>>336519575
Ki pulse + O
You're welcome
>>336519497
Nobunaga was dead before 1600. So either he came back to life or they go with Tokugawa. But it WILL be the shogunate that is the ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
>>336519575
You can though
>>336519734
Holy fuck that parry drains their ki completely? Man the PVP in this game would be nothing but mindgames because 1 bad move will instant kill you.
>>336519943
It probably wont and thats a good thing
>>336519943
seems like it will be balanced considering that it's not easy to parry when people switch stances
>>336490018
they should have made the Conqueror DLC w/e it is after the second boss fight. Now that would have felt legit earning that. The whole second stage felt harder then the 1st boss. Either way this games is gonna be boss as fug. I'm still laughing to myself a bit b/c my bud could never beat the second boss.
I genuinely believe this demo turned off more players than it convinced to buy this game. The devs should have just released it to paid devs and told them to say it was harder than dark souls.
Too many players didn't even bother doing ki pulse, too many players probably gave up in the first level, and too many players didn't bother learning stuff like magic.
>>336519940
>>336519820
>>336519724
>>336519643
>>336519497
Guys, GUY! What if
>Guardian Spirit: NOBUNAGA
>Living Weapon Element: DARKNESS
>>336520241
*paid streamers
/v/, help. How do you not get hit by Nue's pounce attack where he has you in his mouth and rapes your health?
NOBUNAAAAGGGGAAAAAA
>>336519820
I doubt they'll have the Shogunate be evil. It's more likely that we'll be facing off against the Toyotomi loyalists.
new thread since we're about to hit 500
>>336520373
Beat it earlier today, can't wait to play the full game.
>>336520241
if anything it's valuable feeback to making the tutorial level 5hrs long
>>336520291
I'd play it but I don't think that will happen
>>336520241
Good. I want this to be niche with a small community. Dark Souls went to shit when it went mainstream.
>>336520341
It's hard to read but just stay at a distance. Odds are he's going to do that since anything else is more obvious to see so be prepared to just run. When he misses he falls over so that's your chance.
>>336520442
holy shit, could you be a more colossal faggot?
>>336520494
I could be you.
>>336520537
SAVAGE
I got the mark, both bosses were kind of easy specially the second one. And second area dear god. Those fucker that transform if not killed quick enough.
WHEN DOES THE COMES OUT ? ANY ONE ?
>>336518509
you did it all, nothing more to do than help those less conquered than you
>>336513362
7 million amrita.
Anon...
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