Dark Souls Lore thread
Continue to argue over the definition of Lord of Cinder edition
>>336095472
Is ludleth the guy who keeps murdering firekeepers and stuffing their bodies in the bell tower?
He gets different dialogue when you pick up the eyes of a firekeeper, and I think he says something about a great betrayal
WHAT IS THE PROFANED FLAME
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>336095775
I think hes saying those eyes were of a Betrayed firekeeper, as they werent in the Tower.
>>336095472
lord of cinder means one who has linked the fire.
the Lothric line was obsessed with creating a Lord of Cinder, but failed almost every time.
the closest they got was a guy who could link the fire, but chose not to.
they deified him as a Lord of Cinder, but he rejects his "duty" and locks himself in his room.
our job is to round up all the folks that can link the fire and make them do it.
so far, the only one that can link the fire and hasn't(that we know of) is Lothric.
he is an outlier.
AIN'T EVEN GOT LEGS
>>336095472
>last lore thread went from "did Aldrich link the fire?" to "No one linked the fire"
>>336096260
Was Ludleth a Hobbit? Was he Merry or Pippin that didnt escape?
>>336095775
I don't think he's doing it physically, but the Firelink he created is.
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>>336096346
>>last lore thread went from "did Aldrich link the fire?" to "No one linked the fire"
I'm literally the anon who started that and even I'm just sitting here, like,
I don't know how it escalated into "Maybe no one has linked the fire", but okay.
>>336095472
>now, now... do not be away overlong
Anyone else like how he says that?
>>336095775
>Is ludleth the guy who keeps murdering firekeepers and stuffing their bodies in the bell tower?
No- guy aint EVEN got legs. He's harmless.
The Firekeepers you see stuffed in the bell tower are just the past firekeepers who tended to the fire before your current firekeeper.
They literally just dump them in the tower quite heartlessly when they're done with them. No burial, no nothing.
>He gets different dialogue when you pick up the eyes of a firekeeper, and I think he says something about a great betrayal
He's referring to the fact that he knows what you're doing and he just wants you to make sure that that is the decision you're going to make and to man up or fuck off.
WHO IS THE FURTIVE PYGMY
>>336097487
Patches.
>>336097487
Manus.
>>336097487
They said his name
So easily forgotten.
Related to Not Important.
>>336097487
some random fucker who got lucky
He is Manus tho
>>336097487
The primordial human. The soul he inherited was the actual Dark Soul. He broke it into a million +1 pieces to create humanity (literally the pieces of humanity you use in DaS 1). If you were to gather all the humanity together again, you'd have recreated the Dark Soul.
>>336097601
Patches is the Tom Bombadil of DaS
>>336097487
>WHO IS THE FURTIVE PYGMY
Just some guy who picked up the "Dark Soul" when everyone else got cool awesome hot god-souls.
The Furtive Pygmy didn't really know what to do so he just chilled out in the dark expanding and multiplying his Dark Soul -because unlike standard souls: Humanity constantly multiples- until there were so many humans that they couldn't be ignored.
And then somewhere a long the line Oolacile dug up the Furtive Pygmy and tortured the shit out of him to produce more Humanity.
The Furtive pygmy turned into Manus out of sheer RAGE, poisoned the humanity producing the "abyss" and than was slain by a time traveler.
The closest pieces/living relatives of Manus though fucked off from Lordran to let things cool off while they went to Drangleic in an attempt to spread darkness and fuck hot guys.
And then.. I dunno? That's about it?
>>336096897
>He's referring to the fact that he knows what you're doing and he just wants you to make sure that that is the decision you're going to make and to man up or fuck off.
No he says they are form an alternative timeline where the the fire wasn't linked due to a betrayal, he foresaw it and tried to prevented it from happening in his own period.
Man wouldnt it be badass if in the end of Dark Souls you have a choice to rekindle or extinguish the flame, and it's flickering out and you need to choose fast, and then you just unzip your dick and piss all over it, casting the world into eternal darkness, and you sayPSHHH NOTHING PERSONNELL KID.....and then you walk away to rule as the new lord of blood katana darkness
>>336097865
where does this info come from? i saw a similar statement in a youtube video
>>336096346
Yhorm and Ludleth are the only ones who have had it stated linked the fire.
>>336097957
Yeah that'd be cool. It'd be cool if you turned into a red phantom and killed Chris from school's character before the credits too
>>336098056
Dont start this again. Some anons just will argue till their death.
Speaking of Yhorm, doesnt it say he extinguished the profaned flame? If yes, which item? I cant remember
>>336098056
>Yhorm and Ludleth are the only ones who have had it stated linked the fire.
You become a Lord of Cinder by linking the fire. Abysswatchers and Aldrich are Lords of Cinder. Ergo, they linked the fire.
>>336098203
It says in his cinders that he became a LoC in hopes of extinguishing the profaned flame but that didn't do jack shit
What the fuck IS a Profaned Flame anyway?
>get the eyes of the fire keeper
>don't give them to the fire keeper since I want the normal end and I read about dark end
>beat the game, theres a summon sign
>"oh neat, what does this do"
>dark end starts playing
well that's fucked up
>>336098390
Again, it never says that outside of Ludleth, who also stated Lord of Cinders are just kindling.
>>336098432
The Profaned flame was the cnsequence of him becoming a Lord of cinder, similer to the Witch if Izilith
>>336097897
>No he says they are form an alternative timeline where the the fire wasn't linked due to a betrayal, he foresaw it and tried to prevented it from happening in his own period.
This is what he actually says:
"Ahh. Found her, did we? And the black eyes that shimmer within, I see? Tis as if it were but yesterday. We did all we could to spare her from them. Much has happened since. Mayhap I should apprise thee... Of what the thin light of these eyes might reveal to the eyeless Firekeeper. Scenes of betrayal, things never intended for her ken, visions of... this age's end..."
It's literally him just referring to how in HIS AGE -not his timeline, you need to understand Courland is very fucking old; there's no reason to think this happened in an alternate timeline- There was a Firekeeper who possessed eyes and these eyes inspired her betrayal as she could see the darkness, etc.
""The eyes show a world destitute of fire, a barren plane of endless darkness. A place born of betrayal. So I will'd myself Lord, to link the fire, to paint a new vision. What is thine intent?"
Ludleth's Firekeeper possessed eyes and the things she saw and spoke of ironically inspired him to become a lord of cinder and link the fires in order to prevent what his firekeeper kept talking about.
>write literally no story and mistake lore for random tidbits of "story" you wrote when you were 5
>all the kids on the internet lose their shit and go insane trying to figure it out
Never change.
>>336098480
>Again, it never says that outside of Ludleth
>The two princes rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder, and settled down far, far away to watch the fire fade from a distance. A curse makes their souls nearly inseparable.
So why doesthe sky in high wall of lothric turn redafter youKill Aldrich and place the embersbut if you killEmma and the Dancerbefore doing all that, nothing happens?
>>336098628
>rejected their duty
That doesnt mean their duty was to Link the flame. If you read my post, Ludleth refers to LoC as Kindling.
They could have just rejected being sacraficed.
>>336098737
That's literally the same thing.
>>336098654
It means the flame is about to go out, and usher is an age of dark.
Its why the moon becomes a Darksign.
>>336098012
it's heavily implied in the intro to DaS1 and the expansion
>>336098437
Normal ending is probably the worst Souls game ending so far.
>das1
>age of fire is coming to an end
>everything looks relatively fine
>das3
>age of fire is coming to an end
>everything's gone to shit and the sun is a literal darksign
>>336098779
No it isnt. The 5 Lords of Cinder were used to make 1 person strong enough to Link the flame.
>"Knowest thou of our purpose?
Five thrones will take five Lords, as kindling for the linking of the Fire.
The fast fading Flame must be linked to preserve this world.
A re-enactment of the first linking of the fire.
So it is, I became a Lord of Cinder. I may be but small, but I will die a colossus.
>>336099128
Well yeah, that's kinda the theme. The world can only handle the apocalypse so many times.
>>336098815
Got some more questions then.
Why does Emma repeat the same thing you hear when Aldrich dies?
Why do the dragons mutilate themselves in Ithryll dungeon? The statue you find the torso on has 2 limbs removed.
>>336099128
everything looked relatively fine because Gwyndolin was rusing everyone
Asked in other thread but got no reply.
Is it worth getting Scholar of the First Sin cheap if I never finished the second and third dlc?
>>336099508
>Is it worth getting Scholar of the First Sin cheap if I never finished the second and third dlc?
Yes.
>>336099424
that was only in Anor Londo though
>>336099508
Depends how cheap. Id never pay over 30$
>>336099240
This guy's right. The kingdom of Lothoric is re-enacting the past. They are attempting to recreate the 5 Lord souls from ds1, and your purpose is to do as the undead did in ds1 and gather the souls and link the flame. The main bonfire in firelink shrine is probably the Lordvessel. This must be why Pontiff was feeding Gwyndolin to Alderich. He might have been trying to use Join all of the souls in Alderich, or use create a lord souls or sumthin.
>>336098432
It didn't say that, it said that the Profaned Flame came right after he became a lord of cinder.
He hoped to save the humans from their curse by linking the flame, but instead turned them into charcoal, after all the trouble he went through to earn their trust, poor guy.
>>336099670
~18 euro cheap.
>>336095775
i think the great betrayal means the ending choice where you get to choose not to rekindle the flame or choose to become the lord of londor
he is more related to the death of firekeeper though, since he pushed the last firekeeper into abyss to become the lord of cinder once again
Why did the best video game trap have to die?
>>336099721
Pontiff never wanted to light the fire. Pontiff was feeding Aldrich because Aldrich would eat them. Pontiff just wanted anyone with more power than him to be gone (gods)
>>336099757
I dunno the conversion rate, but if youre paying more than half of a regular full priced game, youre paying too much.
>>336099824
Because Aldritch is a big fatty
>All these fucking idiot who come into the thread asking questions on stuff that is blatantly obvious, or questioning something that in no way needs to be questioned
These threads have been painful.
That said I know everything about this game, ask me questions.
>>336099824
wait I though Aldrich was Gwyndolin
>>336099824
This idiot couldnt get away, but Cunny anri did.
He deserved it.
>>336096897
Well the WERE being buried properly until the ran out of room in the tower. The corpses with no coffins was a neat way of showing how long this has been going on for.
>>336099973
yeah he raped Gwyndolin and ate him
and NEET-o and Priscilla
>>336099961
What is the Ashen Ones birthday?
>>336099961
Why are Yuria and her sisters best waifus?
>>336099508
oftentimes during sales you can get the upgrade for $5.
>>336100082
January 5th
>>336099961
>opens up dark souls wiki on another tab
>I know everything about this game ask me questions
>>336100071
>and NEET-o and Priscilla
I love this meme, its my favorite
>>336100071
Nito is up to debate but Priscilla is safe as far as we know. Aldrich only dreamt about her, there is no indication he entered the Painted World and ate her. The painting is probably destroyed so that cuts off the painted world from the rest of the world anyways.
>>336100183
no fucking dumb ass its july 14th you dumb fuck its canon
What is the connection between Priscilla and Yorshka?
I do not believe they are the same person, but they are very similar, and appear to be related in some way.
Also, what is the relationship between Yorshka and Gwyndolin/the Anor Londo family?Yorshka is interesting.
>>336098012
Kaath u fucking idiot
>>336097882
This is the correct and canon interpretation.
I hate the DaS2 stuff because he would just make more humanity.
>>336100071
Are you sure?
Aldrich has all of Gwyndolin's abilities doesn't he? And his body is partial Gwyndolin, the rest is just black goo.
or am I meant to believe that Aldrich is some kind of Kirby?
>>336100240
>The painting is probably destroyed so that cuts off the painted world from the rest of the world anyways.
>dlc
>>336100183
That's mymum'sbirthday.
>>336100183
Confirmed for not knowing everything
Its July 14th
Maybe play the fucking game
Reminder that Gwynevere left Anor Londo and became Queen of Lothric.
Read Sun Princess Ring, Divine Blessing from DaS and DaS3, and Divine Pillars of Light.
what's going on in other lands while all these dark and decaying shit is in lothric/lordran
i want to see Onis dammit
>>336100368
It tells you Aldrich ate Gwyndolin after he went ill.
>>336100452
Anyone who isn't a dumb ass retard accepts this already.
>>336100240
you get lifehunt scythe for aldrich's boss soul and that was priscilla's move
and they strongly hint that he got the way information about her through eating gwyndolin so it is safe to assume that he ate her and used her power as well
since he also uses that scythe during battle
So, was your a character a real person before he or she died, or are you just an amalgamation of many failed Lords?and how did I die before the game started? Is that something we're supposed to head-canon up?
>>336100313
Yorshka is one of Gwyn's kids that only Gwyndolin seemed to care about.
No one knows anything else.
>>336099240
They were revived to serve as sacrifices to the re-enactment of the first linking of the flame, this is their purpose.
But Lothric and Aldrich didn't want anything to do with it, they'd rather let it fade. Yhorm was probably OK with it despite what happened when he linked the flame, being a sunbro and all, but he wanted someone worthy like his best friend to put him down instead. The Abyss Watches, I don't know, my best guess is that because they are lords of cinder because of a single entity which is the Wolf's Blood, they were fighting each other until only one remained, plus some of them were hollowed so they needed to be put down. But I doubt they wouldn't agree with being sacrificed in order to prevent the Abyss from spreading, that was their whole purpose after all.
So we had two lords who wanted the fire ending, and two who wanted the dark ending.
>>336100313
>What is the connection between Priscilla and Yorshka?
Probably none.
>Also, what is the relationship between Yorshka and Gwyndolin/the Anor Londo family?
Yorshka might be related to the gods, as the description of the last race on character creater defined the white hair and pale skin appearance as that of the old gods. Gwynevere is still unaccounted for, since she left with Flynn (pyromancer?fire god?) or whatever.
>>336100541
>you get lifehunt scythe for aldrich's boss soul and that was priscilla's move
That was her weapon. He dreamt about her and saw her weapon and created a miracle about it. He used to be a cleric after all.
He is using a magical spear to cast the scythe miracle, its not an actual scythe
>>336099824
>even after all these years he was still protecting what was left of Anor Londo
He was a real human bean
>>336100578
So Yorshka's "father" (re Gwyn) and "brother" (re Gwyndolin and "sister" (re Gwynevere) were literal? I interpreted them as holy titles.
Was Priscilla's parents ever confirmed (meaning, beyond reasonable doubt)?
>>336100368
They showed Aldrich in the intro, as a black goo.
>>336100541
>>336100240
He made it vague on purpose.
Personally I believe he ate her because he's the devourer of gods not the devourer of a god.
There's literally 0 evidence about Nito and it's retarded that people keep brining it up.
>>336100541
So? You get White Dragon Breath from Ocerios soul. Are you implying Ocerios is/Killed Logan? Because Logan dies in Ds1
He got Lifehunt scyth from the dream, same way Oceirios got WDB from the archives.
>>336100678
He was only staying around because he didn't want to leave his dragon dildo collection behind.
>>336100704
Kill her and her item does confirm Gwyndolin is her brother without a doubt.
This game really doesn't give a fuck about the mothers but it's safe to assume they don't matter.
>>336100368
Remember that Aldrich just woke up and he enjoys eating his victims slowly. He's most likely still eating Gwyndolin and using the corpse as a puppet
>>336100368
yeah dumb ass it is often brought up that aldrich was human after all and he became lord of cinder through cannibalism. He wasn't one of the giants.
He also uses or has abilities or appearance of other giant gods such as Nito or Priscilla, in addition of Gwyndolin-chan.
His soul description also states that he ate the gods to prepare for the dark age so he can't be Gwyndolin-chan himself
>>336100240
I'm pretty sure it's heavily implied that the painted world was also maintained by gwyndolin as well, possibly a world within his mind or something. When he was being devoured, aldritch was exposed to it as well. He uses a mimicry of lifehunt scythe because, apparently, it's his weakness and he needed it as a counter or something.
>>336100554
Our guy was pretty normal before death, just read your class's description, they could have hollowed or simply died during a time right after the flame being linked, when they could die.
>>336100661
yeah but that miracle could be only used by Priscilla, and Aldrich's Lifehunt does exactly what her Lifehunt did
>>336100736
Without implying Ocerios /is/ Logan, I'll say: the games have implied that certain characters attributes (*either physical or more in line with a personality) can manifest in others long periods later. So Dragondad might not be Logan, but spending time in the Archives (which are implied to have a connection of some sort with the Duke's Archive) may have given him some sort of likeness to Logan.
HOW THE FUCK DO I WIN AGAINST GIANT SEMEM GANK SQUADS?
>>336100640
The abyss stopped them this time
With the Fire fading so low, Aldrich used it as power for the deep.
The Watchers were half infected with the Abyss, just on top of Wolnirs grave. Thats why they fight each other
Yhorm was infected with the abyss, and gave Siegward a Stormruler in case he went crazy. Siegward hints at that.
PLS STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS GAME
I CAN'T AFFORD IT UNTIL DECEMBER AND THESE THREADS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED UNTIL I COMPLETE THE GAME BY MYSELF
THANK YOU
So how does one become unkindled? Just an undead who dies an assload of times? What does it mean to be unkindled anyways?
>>336100736
Ocerios is closely related to Seath the Scaeless's experiments since you can forge moonlight sword with his soul, and he was doing some kind of experiment that turned him mad/dragony
also, crystal breath was Seath's signature move and Logan studied in Seath's archive you dim wit. Crystal breath isn't Logan's fucking creation he copied it from Seath's studies
>Hawkwood was awoken as unkindled because he used to be one of Farron's legion
>Siegward was awoken to put his good friend Yhorm down as he'd promised him
>Anri was awoken to fuck up Aldrich because she/he wants revenge for the children he ate
So what about Ashen One? They woke up in a cemetery behind the castle. Does that mean there's a connection to Lothric?
>>336101058
pirate it
>>336100640
The game makes it clear that of all the lords only Ludleth was okay with it, none of them wanted to return to their thrones either be for personal reasons or because the lord simply went insane.
Why is humanity tied to darkness and the abyss in Souls? Is it just some thinly veiled "mankind is evil" message?
>>336101115
You might be on to something
>>336100903
Priscilla DID NOT have a miracle, she had a weapon. It also did not "steal life", it was a weapon that can kill Gods. Game-wise it caused bleeding, so they do not match in that sense.
The fact that Lifehunt is now a miracle further enforces that he simply created it since he saw her in a dream while devouring Gwyndolin as he did not fully know the purpose of it from just that
>>336101115
woken to stop the serpents
>>336101115
It meansLudleth is your father. He devours souls, as do you.
>>336101135
MY COMPUTER IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO RUN IT RIGHT NOW, I'LL GET A NEW ONE IN DECEMBER
>>336101101
Okay so youre saying Ocerios is Seath? My point still stands. He learned WDB because of Seaths research, just like Aldrich learned LHS from his dreams.
>>336101184
>stop the serpents
>implying I want to
>implying they have the wrong idea
>implying the fire is always good
>Yuria
>Liliane
Who's the third sister?
I dont understand the story that much yet but one thing that bugs me is why Anor Londo is where it is.
Did some tectonic plates shift, moving the entire castle to another area? Do Lordran and Lothric overlap?
>>336100926
Yhorm doesn't look crazy when he sees Siegward, he calmly listens to what Siegward's speech before standing up and getting ready.
And same goes for the watchers, sure, some watchers, the ones with the glowing eyes, are either hollowed like Horace (eyes of the same color) or corrupted like Artorias, but the main one and the others that help him against the common foe are sane and don't attack people at random. Notice how the main one even does the legion traditional etiquette when he sees us.
>>336100006
Gwyndolin couldn't really do anything, Yorshka says Gwyndolin grew very ill and that's when Sulvyahn started taking over and imprisoned her in the tower.
Gwyndolin literally did nothing wrong and got the worst death imaginable.
>>336101115
Were Anri and Siegward ever awoken?
Siegward even hollow? He disappears at the end of his questline, seemingly dying as you get his souls.
Anri atleast comes back.
>>336101115
My guess is that each class has it's own history. the Knight could have simply been a lowly knight in Lothric who died in the battlefield, the Thief a deserter from the army who died somewhere and so on.
I guess for someone to be Unkindled they gotta have a connection to something related to Lothric
>>336101270
waifu
>>336101183
the weapon itself isn't lifehunt the ability to reap lives is really vague in description but it was stated that it was unique to Priscilla and no one else used it
I only said it was miracle since Lifehunt scythe you get from boss soul is miracle
and there is no implication that Priscilla was unable to perform miracles she is fucking dragon and half god why would she able to do so while her brothers wield thunder spear and such
Lets not forget that Pontif Sully is the first actually evil character in the Souls series. Everything he did was cruel and horrible.
Is the ashen one the weakest starting out from a canon standpoint?
Why does no mob in this game have red blood? I notice you get covered in black shit when you murder mobs. Only when you kill players does your character have red blood on them
>>336101325
>Adult sick Gwyndolin isnt stronger than a Child hollow
>>336101257
no you fucking illiterate retard i said he was affected by Seath's experiment and he is different from Aldrich's case
Aldrich is described as someone who actually eat gods and absorb their powers
>>336100578
So what did Gwyn put his dick into that made a half breed very simliar to Priscilla? And where would Yorshka even have been during the events of DaS1.
>>336101302
Anor Londo is probably the only place that hasn't moved. The location fits. It was always in a valley somewhere near the north. If you look at Lothric Castle from there, you'll see it's on a hill very similar to the one Duke's Archives sat on. And in the same direction. Oceiros becoming obsessed with Seath is also a somewhat major plot point. The only problem is the change in distance, but that could be a retcon or a result of the land churning around Lothric
>>336101437
That probably goes to the Hunter.
You start the game ill and on a literal surgical table.
>>336096378
I am assuming he was a lord that Aldrich tried to eat, but Aldrich didnt finish and Ludeth survived.
Or, is Ludeth an older Lorian?
Or the nigger just lost his legs.
>>336100792
>A sacred chime belonging to Yorshka.
>Her brother, the former knight captain, presented her with this medium together with another gift: her name.
>The ringing of the chime must have done much to soothe her loneliness.
What is a literal brother doing naming his sister?
Sounds like to me he is just an old pervert that wanted her to call him onii-chan.
>>336101154
Yhorm was because he wanted to be taken there by Siegward, and the Watchers because they shared the title of Lord of Cinder through the Wolf blood, but quite a few of them were hollowed/corrupted by the abyss, so they needed to kill them off until the wolf blood gathers, or simply have someone come and kill them all.
>>336101474
Half breed Priscilla is Nameless kings daughter.
>>336101546
Nigga linked the fire, that's why he's all charred and shit
>>336101569
He just wanted to be like his big sister Gwynevere.
>>336101546
nah he says he is the king of Courland and none of his lore is explained, implied in the game
it would be dlc I hope
What exactly is the abyss and is it different from dark? Previously I thought it was the same but all this talk about abyss infecting people makes me think otherwise. DaS2 had these characters just sitting in the dark doing nothing and saying it was peaceful as well.
And in the DaS3 dark ending the screen just goes dark as the fire fades, while in Oolacile the abyss looks like the environment is diseased.
I'll never not be upset about how Gwyndolin died. Fuck you Miyazaki.
>>336098103
fuck chris man
>>336101739
Abyss and Dark are the same, those guys from DaS2 felt peace when sitting inside the Abyss because its humanity's home.
Of course, long exposure to the abyss turns them into creatures such as the Darklurker.
>>336101612
I was thinking about this. It throws a wrench in the Seathe put a baby in Gwynevere theory though. Its more likely a child would be born if it was Gwynevere carrying it instead of some girl dragon that Nameless King put his dick in. Like if he just came up to Gwyn and said he fucked a dragon, odds are that dragon would have been killed, pregnant or not.
>>336101739
The Abyss appears to be the Dark going rampant. Much like the Chaos Flame is to the First Flame, the Abyss is to the Dark. Age of Dark doesn't mean the Abyss, it's just an Age without Fire. That's at least how I see it.
>>336101807
Seriously, I didn't think I'd feel this bad for that trap considering I obliterated his boypussy multiple times in DaS but man, he got a really bad end.
>"oh look. firekeeper eyes. im sure my waifu will want these back"
>she doesn't
>it's actually the bad end
>she talks to me in such a sad voice now
how do I go on. i don't wanna kill her to take the eyes out
>>336101612
no nigga it says Seath married his daughter to Gwyn in DaS 1
After you complete Dark moon covenant ranking, Yorshika says that she and Gwyndolin were born from same mother, who must be that Seath's daughter who married Gwyn
seeing how she keeps calling Gwyndolin her brother and how she succeeded the Dark Moon covenant leader's position really show they are family and maybe we can assume that Priscilla was that daughter
>>336101739
Abyss is humanity gone wild, as long as humanity is there, so will the Abyss.
The Dark while sharing characteristics of the Abyss it is not the same thing, It has always been just force of nature since Gwyn started the Age of Fire, it was not until Manus that made things go nuts.
So was the undead settlement exterminating hollows while, unbeknownst to them, they became hollow themselves?
>>336100368
Aldrich was a random cleric who had a vore fetish and ended up eating everyone he could. He got immensely fat and eventually softened into sludge, and they just chucked him in a giant box for safe keeping.
At some point he was *made* a Lord of Cinder because of how powerful he was, and not because he was a good person or even wanted the fire linked.
Whether he actually linked it (willing or not) is up for debate, but eventually he became disillusioned with his throne and went to eat some gods to become even stronger.
Eventually he seemed to develop a religious following, which was run by the Arch Deakons and Pontiff Sully, who seemed to orchestrate a take-over of Anor Londo using Aldrich to devour Gwyndolin.
>>336101993
Ssssh, let it fade. No more suffering, only dreams now.
>>336101879
>>336101847
>>336101739
Are people forgettin which soul the abyss is created from?
Manus is the Father of the Abyss
Manus is the furative pygmy
The furative pygmy had the DARK SOUL
The Abyss = The Dark = The deep
Its the absense of light. Fire is light.
The deep is just aldrichs metaphircal dream of the abyss when he refused his throne and didnt want to link the fire. It even literally says AFTER THE AGE OF FIRE COMES THE AGE OF DEEP SEA. When we already know that after the age of fire comes the age of dark.
>>336101993
Go all the way and attack her during the screen fade.
>>336101852
Gwyn would be the very last person to ever fuck a dragon, he hated them, to the point of committing genocide, remember?
It would be much more believable that Nameless King did it instead.
>>336096156
Ludleth "linked" the fire.
Yhorm is explicitely stated to link the fire.
The Abyss watchers and Aldrich are only stated to have the power to link the fire.
Prince Lothric specifically rejected his duty to link the fire.
The knight in Firelink outright says that Aldrich was given the title not for virtue (re: doing the task) but for might (having a strong enough soul)
>>336102006
who was priscilla then
>>336101993
If you follow that ending, she actually mentions how peaceful the dark is - and not in the death sense, either, just in that the chaos and death from the end of the prolonged age of fire is finally at an end. It's not necessarily a bad end.
>>336102171
Thats what I was saying.
>>336101993
It's too late now.
You gotta go all the way
>>336102182
the daughter of Seath that married gywn, mother to both Gwyndolin and Yorshika.
fuck do I care about her birth though
Heres hoping we get another succulent trap in the DLC
>>336102212
More like linking the fire is the bad (worthless) end in this game. Compare the linking and the dark endings once you see them.
>>336102317
well there would be porn about Aldrich doing lewd stuff to Gwyndolin so at least he will have that
>>336102365
You can also hit the firekeeper and take the flame for yourself. For some reason.
>>336101952
Aside from working with Frampt to get the Chosen Undead to Link the Fire (can't really blame a god for wanting to prolong the Age of Fire), Gwyndolin had a hard life
>Born with affinity for the Moon instead of the Sun, so Gwyn raises him like a girl
>Living in his big brother and big sister's shadow his entire life
>Fiercely protects Gwyn's tomb in Anor Londo
>Protected Anor Londo with Smough when every other god fucked off somewhere else, abandoning their home.
>Ran his own covenant to take out sinners
>Took care of Yorshka by himself, probably the only person who cared for her
>Ends up getting really sick and hands over his covenant to Yorshka
And after all that trouble his reward is being slowly eaten by some stupid pile of mud for no reason than to give the stupid pile of mud a new moniker for a single fight.
Literally no NPC in the DaS franchise got it as bad as Gwyndolin.
>>336100719
Aldrich has that black dress thing which looks like it came off Nito as it's wiry and has bones in it.
he certainly didn't kill Nito since he had to canonically die in the first game but I dunno
>>336102459
I don't know why would anyone ever do that since that is just the same as letting fire die out but you won't have your waifu by your side anymore
>>336102365
yeah they made sure linking was pointless and void
you don't get big ass flame like you did with DaS I and the camera pans out showing protagonist's back like he is fucking retard huncing around ember, doing meaningless stuff
>>336101059
I think the unkindled one is an undead who achieved "final" death through burning in a bonfire but somehow resurrects when its time for him to do so. Thats why you dont hollow, thats why "nameless, accursed undead, unfit even to be cinder".
Thing is, is the unkindled one really meant to link the flame? Or just gather the dudes who are supposed to do so? If he is unfit to be cinder how can he link the flame?BUT ITS JUST A THEORY
>>336102178
>The knight in Firelink outright says that Aldrich was given the title not for virtue (re: doing the task) but for might (having a strong enough soul)
How fucking long you fucking idiots keep saying the same shit?
Why even have 24/7 lore threads when you fuckers keep pushing same shit that completely misses the point of what is being said.
What is the one thing that is common to all player characters who linked the fire?
They killed a lot of big dudes!
What does that mean? They were fucking strong and had strong souls.
Souls and the fire have a direct relation, strong person means strong soul means good source of fuel to the fire. This shit has been known since Dark Souls 1.
And that's why Aldrich was thrown in the fire, because the fucker had strong soul.
>>336101115
>>Anri was awoken to fuck up Aldrich because she/he wants revenge for the children he ate
Wrong.
Anri was awoken to polishmy dickwith hercorpse
>>336101417
Aldrich is too. He eats people, then makes a cult to help him eat more.
>>336102494
Nito was dead long before DaS1.
>>336102178
> The knight in Firelink outright says that Aldrich was given the title not for virtue (re: doing the task) but for might (having a strong enough soul)
I thought that meant "they made him a Lord of Cinder because he was hella-fucking powerful, and not because he was a virtuous guy who would link the fire because it's the right thing to do, good luck dragging his ass back here....".
>>336102459
That's just in there as a fun reference to Demon's Souls. Compare webm with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bB3KsfkdWs (skip to around 3:40).
>>336102713
Double dead.
>>336101417
its also hinted that he is the fucking dick who burnt Yorm's city with forbidden flame and shit while our giant bro went to link fire
>>336102178
Prince Lothric:
>Rise,if you would...for that is our curse
The way that dude talks is almost exactly like Aldia, I bet the "Scholar" mentioned in Lothric's lore is actually Aldia who told him exactly what it meant to link the fire, and what the undead curse truly represents.
>>336102635
I'm under the impression that Aldrich was mostly under Sulyvahn's control. Aldrich was obviously a bad dude but at some point I think he kinda lost hid mind and just turned into a mindless consuming beast that Sully controlled.
>>336102571
>If he is unfit to be cinder how can he link the flame?
I'd say he by itself can't, that's why he needs the embers of Lords. He is basically empty vessel to carry the embers and sufficient supply of souls to the first fire
Obligatory comic Aldrich post
>>336102719
But why would Aldrich link the flame? Who would be powerful enough to not only beat him, but Sully too.
And who is more manipulative then Sully?
>>336102719
That's what Hawkwood meant, people are reading too much into it
>>336102178
I think you're wrong, I think that what Halkwood actually meant is that he was forced to link the fire because of how strong he was, even against his will.
Remember that to link the fire you need an exceptionally strong soul, Aldrich just happened to he the needed strength.
>>336102317
Haha 4chan dude XD Feminine penis :DDDDD
get the fuck over yourself
What does stabbing Anri's corpse in the face do anyways? What was the point?
>>336102545
no, when we talked about it she said aight we will put out the flame, then when we came to it she holds on to the ember saying dont worry my man this ember will become a big flame at some point, no fuck you woman trying to decieve me, no more embers, no more fire, the world is going dark so it can has a major restart and start over and hope the new makers of the world wont depend on some stupid fire burning to keep it alive
>>336102719
Yes, that's exactly what he meant. I'm not sure how there are so many interpretations of that line.
>>336102951
Never been at a wedding before?
>>336103004
Noone interpreted that wrong.
Theres just to many interpretations of what Lord of Cinder is.
Is it someone who linked the flame or someone strong enough to Link the flame?
>>336102494
He couldn't have eaten Nito, we kill Nito in DS1, take his soul, and then consume it inside the Lord Vessel, this much is mandatory for the game to be even canon.
As for Gwendolin, not only he is an optional boss, but he is also a master of illusions.
>>336102494
he can still absorb nito's soul
in DaS 2 the Rotten gives you Old Dead One's Soul which sounds like Nito's
maybe such strong soul keeps on getting into cycle and this time Aldrich ate it up
>>336102951
You take his/her Dark Sigils upon yourself, hence the blackness seeping into you.
If you check your Key Items after your "wedding" you'll have 8 rather than 5.
>>336102635
I hope the DLC explores more into "The Deep".
The game makes an actual distinction between it and the Abyss (otherwise it'd just be the Age of Dark). It's also (obviously) watery and related souls and whatnot are watery. McDonnell looks like a bloated drowned corpse, and, well, probably is one. If you actually take long enough on the Deacons where they start casting the curse to instakill you, their curse makes it look like you're underwater.
So yeah I want more deep themed shit.
>>336102494
Those bones probably belong to the countless people Aldrich ate during his life, it has nothing to do with Nito. Nito is long gone, we are forced to kill him and feed his soul to the Lordvessel.
>>336102932
Don't be so upset
REMINDER:
To be a lord of cinder is to be KINDLING for the flame. There is NOTHING ELSE to the title. ONLY Ludleth previously linked the fire. Anything else is complete misinterpretation by the constant hyena pack of retards that infest these threads.
Yhorm DID NOT link the fire
The AW DID NOT link the fire
>maybe they put aldrich on the fire xddd
fuck OFF
>>336103229
>If you actually take long enough on the Deacons where they start casting the curse to instakill you, their curse makes it look like you're underwater.
Whoa, what? Sounds cool
>>336103229
>>336103310
>If you actually take long enough on the Deacons where they start casting the curse to instakill you, their curse makes it look like you're underwater.
No it fucking doesn't lol. The area just gets darkened. Stop trying to spread your shitty headcannon.
>kills firekeeper for shits and giggles
>"Sorry ashened one, but I cannot die"
>"Please, let me serve you"
now i feel bad
>>336103294
A spell description literally says that Yhorm linked the fire, so you can stop your memeing now, faggot.
Go post at reddit if you're gonna have this kind of attitude.
>>336103120
>Theres just to many interpretations of what Lord of Cinder is.
There only one, the guy who linked fire
This is why prince need to fulfil his duty and BECOME, like you know in the future sense, lord of cinder. Meaning he isn't one yet
>>336103359
>Killing the firekeeper
Special place in hell.
>>336103405
Which Spell? Profaned flame? That states Yhorm was only made Lord of Cinder.
>>336103229
>>336103310
No, Deep = Abyss = Dark.
They are all the same, the deep spells are literally hexes, which is magic drawn from the dark. And the first dark magic we ever find in the series are inside Oolacile, a city taken by the abyss.
Its just that with the passing of the time, different people and different religions will call it different names as well.
>>336103405
Fuck off you stupid cunt, Profaned flame says nothing of the sort. It only says that his transformation into a LoC was very violent.
>go post on reddit if you're going to be mean to people ruining the threads every single time >:(
fuck off
>>336103229
>spooky underwater themed castles
>dilapidated interiors with leaks and water coming from everywhere
>some section that requires you to wear a ring that basically makes you deep sea proof, allowing you to venture outside of structures
>everything is a little slower, your jumps are longer
>fucking Cthulhu monsters
I was incredibly disappointed that the Lords of Cinder didn't actually come back alive to the thrones. I wanted to have some bantz with them.
Though knowing how whiny/dickish most of them were now, maybe it was for the best.
>>336097487
who?
>>336103464
Jesus this pack of lemmings
The Lord of Cinder entire duty is to sacrafice themselves to the vessel so they can link the flame.
Ludleth even says that.
Lothric was manipulated by a scholar who said that the age of dark is better, so he refused to play his part.
None of them, except MAYBE ludleth linked the flame, but ludleth is likely the soulfeeder, which is why he would be strong enough to be Lord of Cinder.
>>336103580
>fucking Cthulhu monsters
We BB now?BB and Souls confirmed same universe.
Someone give me one single good reason not to smash the shit out of Patches with my claymore.
I've never killed an NPC that didn't physically attack me.
>>336103557
>A guy becomes strong
>This causes flames to rain down from the sky and kill everyone
>Said guy gives his friend one of his swords as a farewell gift before becoming a lord of cinder
>"Bye friend, I'm going to become strong now"
Seriously, people who say that being a Lord of Cinder means being strong enough to link the flame don't make any sense.
Specially when the name of the title itself is a reference to what Gwyn became AFTER linking the flame.
>>336103294
Jesus christ.
What Ludleth meant is that you'll have to kill all those 4 + Lothric to be able to link it.
Abyss Watchers, Yhorm, Aldrich and Ludleth all came back to life AFTER Lothric refused to link the fire. Note how it says in the description of "Cinders of a lord"
>If the lords will not return to their thrones themselves, let them return as cinders.
keyword here: RETURN
But hey, to be a Lord of Cinder all you need is to be strong right? that's why Pontiff is also Lord of Cinder, and Champion Gundyr, and Nameless King. Oh wait.
>>336103717
Do it. Sin is basically nothing in this game and you can stillbuy his shit after
>>336098056
they're all Lords of cinder
questioning that they havent linked the fire brings more questions than it answers and there is no evidence for it
>>336103745
*Became.
>>336103654
>The Lord of Cinder entire duty is to sacrafice themselves to the vessel so they can link the flame.
No one cares about your headcanon
>None of them, except MAYBE ludleth linked the flame
No one cares about your headcanon
>>336103717
Don't. He can save Greirat.
>>336103551
Abyss = Black and white
Deep = Blue and black
Deep and Dark are also different infusions.
Deep's flavor text says this specifically:
>There is a darkness that lies beyond human ken.
Human dregs are something beyond humanity.
>>336103745
>a guy links the flame
>fire rains down on his homeland where he isnt anymore
>gives his friend a sword even though linking means death anyway, saying to only use it if he goes crazy
Makes so much more sense.
>>336103757
"Knowest thou of our purpose?
Five thrones will take five Lords, as kindling for the linking of the Fire.
The fast fading Flame must be linked to preserve this world.
A re-enactment of the first linking of the fire.
So it is, I became a Lord of Cinder. I may be but small, but I will die a colossus.
He literallt says they are Kindling to complete the ritual
>>336103898
See
>>336103982
Youre a fucking lemming. Learn to lore.
>>336103745
>"Bye friend, I'm going to become strong now"
That gave me some hearty keks
So knowing you was go into go into the catacombs, did hoarce separate himself knowing the other girl/guy would ask you to find him, so that he could kill you and claim his waifu?
or is there a better explain than gayass love triangle
>>336104065
Laughing Human Torch meme. My favourite
>>336103757
Seriously this nonsense about the Lords of Cinder being just strong guys needs to die, it keeps derailing the discussion.
Why would Yhorm becoming strong be the reason for his whole capital to be burned to the ground in an event similar to the Witches of Izalith creating their own first flame?
Why would Aldrich be revered as a Saint if he wasn't martyrized when he was forced into linking the flame, they mean to tell me that a whole religion worships someone because he is very strong and eats people?
>>336104043
As I said, no one cares about your headcanon
Go back with facts or stop spouting nonsense
>>336103982
Gwyn was also called a Lord of Cinder.
Did he serve as kindling for a ritual too, even though it was just him alone that linked the flame?
>Nito is canonically dead, killed by CU
<Gwyndolin not
>Aldrich ate Nito
Worse than sonic tier fan fiction
Alright guys, which ending pisses off the most serpents?
>>336104180
>Tells people to get facts
>only spouts "nice headcanon"
Literally Autism:The post
>>336104262
Gwyn was also Lord of Cinder. Wheres his throne? Why was he Absorbed into Soul of Cinder and Yhorm wasnt?
>>336104273
It seems like all the optional bosses went on after CU fucked off.
>>336104285
The one that gives you at least a chance of fighting back is the Usurpation ending, you have the Flame for yourself and the Sable Church at your side.
>>336104285
Frampt wants link the fire, Kaathe wants usurp the fire. So extinguishing pisses them both off
>>336104285
Probably linking the fire, but at the same time, that's still a pretty shitty ending that doesn't really solve anything, just building up for an even more powerful explosion next time.
>>336104285
1. linking the fire => all their plans ruined for the next cycle
2. Let flame die => because you are incompentent fucktard there still traces of flame and their plans ruined for the next cycle
3. Corrupt flame with dark souls=> you was tricked, soon abyss will corrupt everything and they will rule this world as gods
>>336104438
The Sable Church is Kaathe's church, man. Yuria is working under his orders, and says as much if you kill her.
>>336102494
>all the japanese screens are washed out and not clear.
why?
So, here are I think the most controversial theories/most vicious points of argument we have so far:
>The Deep is separate from the Abyss. It is a darkness that is beyond humanity and human understanding and is associated with the depth and deepness of the ocean.
>It could potentially be a "third age" of the SEA and completely seperate to the age of fire and darkness as water would "consume all".
>There are Deep Gems and Dark Gems with clear visible distinction both in name and physical characteristics as well as coals.
>Only 2 out of the 5 Lords of Cinder have linked the fire:
>The Abyss Watchers of the undead legion received the title "lord of cinder" due to their collective military might.
>Aldritch would never link the fire and no one could have forced him to: He gained the title through sheer intimidation as a means of appeasing and exiling him.
>The Lothric twins fled and spurned their responsibility to link the fire dispite their breeding and heritage.
>Yhorm the Giant is a Darksouls 2 Giant.
>Yhorm may in fact be descended from the Giant king in Dark souls 2 ,"an ancient conqueror."
>Yhorm's face is sunken in to reference that.
Am I missing anything? Sorry if I'm paraphrasing.
Have we begun to riot over anything else?
What I don't understand is why they give us a choice in the ending if they're not going to show us the effects of it, either in following games or some kind of cutscene. I know the game is all about ambiguity, but it'd be cool to actually see some impact from our choices.
Didnt gwyn do what he did because he wanted to prevent the birth of the dark lord? Dont you become a dark lord in the usurpation of flame ending?
>>336104698
>Yhorm the Giant is a Darksouls 2 Giant.
nah.
Dark Souls 2 isn't canon
>>336104715
What effects are there to show?
Linking the fire doesnt work, you can tell by the moon being a darksign. It creates age of dark
Usurping the fire just creates age of dark with you being insanely OP
Ending fire puts the flame out causing age of dark, but embers for another age of fire
>>336098815
the moon doesnt become a dark signits being projected from a location which will probably be introduced as DLC later
>>336104715
Souls games never make sense, just boil it down to the tone you want and assume that's generally the tone that follows.
Link fire
>Hopeful, martyrdom
Lord of Hollows/dark
>Powerful, Betrayal
Summon firekeeper
>Acceptance, peace
>>336104509
Yeah but the Church also worships you as the Lord of Hollows, if your character is charismatic enough there's a chance you can put them against the serpents.
>>336104715
The whole item description tells the story, cryptic cutscenes and dialogue are an excuse for Laziness or because a writer didn't fit in the budget
And of course it caught on with tryhards in the gaming community because wow such cryptic lore no conclusions ambiguity wow crowd , Fromsoft keeps getting away with this
>>336104718
Gwyn likely didn't know or care about any Dark Lord bullshit. He just wanted to prolong the age that allows him and his family to rule over humanity as gods.
>>336104441
No, Kaathe wants you to let it die.
The previous protags never usurp it.
>>336104840
>moon
Isn't that the sun? Did I miss something?
>>336104718
Dark Lord is just some bullshit Kaathe invented on the spot.
Gwyn didn't care about any of that and just wanted the Age of Gods to continue.
>>336104970
I assumed its the moon as a lot of the game referances the moon, mainly the deep, which is also said to follow the age of fire.
>>336102494
Nitos hair dress was an aura. If he ate Nito he'd have an actual gravelord sword and nkot just a miracle mimicing it.
![dark-souls-3-review-overlooking-irithyll-boreal-valley-alternate[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wdMx93o.jpg "dark-souls-3-review-overlooking-irithyll-boreal-valley-alternate[1]")
>>336104840
>Linking the fire doesnt work, you can tell by the moon being a darksign. It creates age of dark
Where is the moon a darksign? Do you mean the Ithriyl valley/Arboreal Valley?
Not my screenshot, but pic related.
Ithriyl valley's moon isn't a "darksign" you friggen goof: It's a crescent moon.
It's a crescent moon from Gwyndolin's darkmoon covenant/god powers because he took over and ruled Anor Londo turning it into the arboreal valley because there's no sunlight and it's chilly.
I mean, I understand why you'd think that because a crescent moon DOES look like a darksign, but, yeah, no- no dude, no, don't be silly.
>>336104796
kys pls
how the fuck does the time line for the series work
assuming we use dark souls 1 as a start
>dark souls 2 supposedly in the same location as 1 but 1k+ years in the future (anor londo flooded, undead burg became harvest valley/earthen peak)
>dark souls 3 has dark souls 1 locations seemingly unchanged besides obvious passage of time yet dark souls 2 items and characters (all found dead) are there
>>336104796
dark souls 2 isnt canon meme needs to end already
>>336105187
>turned it into the boreal valley
Boreal valley is one of the transitory lands that smashed into anor londo. That's why it has more snow than anor londo
>>336101484
Have they actually confirmed retconed anything from ds1?
>>336105187
No, in the Kiln of the first flame
This isnt an actual in game screenshot as Im not ther3 yet on my playthrough
>>336105285
Dark Souls 2 took place on a completely different continent, from the very beginning the game keeps telling it's far away from everything.
>>336105285
Miyazaki says DS2 is on the opposite side of the planet. Heide's isn't Anor Londo. Eleum Loyce is, and later becomes Irithyll with the Profaned Flame underneath it.
so what are the endings
Normal ending: Linked the fire like a chump
End of fire: Collude with the firekeeper to snuff out the first flame and usher in the age of dark
Betrayal: Collude and then backstab the firekeeper and take the fire for yourself?
Usurpation of fire: take the fire for Londor?
Honestly I don't know what the fuck is going on in the last one.
>>336105285
>>dark souls 2 supposedly in the same location as 1 but 1k+ years in the future (anor londo flooded, undead burg became harvest valley/earthen peak)
We've actually been over this a couple times, but Drangleic is across the ocean.
Drangleic doesn't take place in the same spot as Lothric/Londo, whatever- Drangleic is specifically a seperate landmass that's right adjacent (west? east?) from Londo.
So, yeah; I hope that resolves some of your confusion.
>>336105285
something something different times/worlds/dimensions colliding due to the true end of the universe
Just do what everyone else should be doing and wait for Vaati to steal all the good ideas from /v/ and Reddit, and put them into a concise video.
>>336102494
Also, Aldrich's theme is Gwyndolin and Nito's mixed together
>>336105369
Ornstein was retconned into being an illusion or something, because Smough item descriptions says he alone was the last knight in Anor Londo. Ornstein item descriptions say he abandoned his duty to find Nameless King.
>>336105285
>dark souls 2 supposedly in the same location as 1
How the fuck do you even reason that? The game pretty much outright states it's a land far away from Lordran.
>>336105482
Ornstein being an illusion has been a theory since DS1, people just assumed Smough was an illusion as well.
>>336105482
We have never actually fought Ornstien and would likely get fucked up by him
>>336105330
>Boreal valley is one of the transitory lands that smashed into anor londo. That's why it has more snow than anor londo
>Transitory Lands
Pardon?
Where is this mentioned?
I've never heard or read a thing- could you cite this? No Sass intended.
>>336105371
>This isnt an actual in game screenshot as Im not ther3 yet on my playthrough
That's the sun dude! The SUN is totally a Darksign, no, yeah, for sure.
Did you know? If you get to Lothric castle every sun visible in the sky around in the other areas/levels will turn into a dark sign too???
>>336105451
sifs theme is in there as well
>>336105524
Same reason why people think that you don't need to link the flame to be a LoC
They are retarded
>>336105550
It's the very first words of the intro man. "Yes indeed it is called Lothric, Where the transitory lands of the Lords of Cinder converge."
>>336105285
Every time the fire is about to go out everything gets "closer" to the first flame, which includes chronologically. That's why you have kingdoms that existed thousands of years apart in a mountain beside it.
DS2 is what happens after the flame starts to wane for one cycle.
DS3 is what happens after the flame starts to wane, and several cycles fail to link it.
>>336105405
as far as I can tell, Usurpation is, rather than sacrifice yourself to keep the flame going, you absorb all its power into yourself and become a living flame
>>336105482
Ornstein (and Smough) being illusions is a theory that's been around for years dude. 3 just confirmed that it was only Ornstein who an illusion, and Smough was a real ass nigga who stuck around while his partner was getting his boipussy drilled by Nameless.
>>336105524
Same reason people believe Aldrich linked the fire.
Theyre retarded
>>336105405
Link the Fire: What it says.
End of Fire: Let the flame quietly die out, just cuddle with your waifu and watch the Dark approach
Betrayal: Same thing as End of Fire except that you'll be going through the Age of Dark alone, no achievements for you either because this is the worst ending
Usurpation: Take the Flame for yourself and become what is basically a God.
>laddersmith gilligan's body found at the profaned capital bonfire
is there any explanation to this
>>336105330
No. Irithyl is very obviously Anor Londo. It generally is associated with gods and the snow can be easily explained by the acute lack of sunlight the place has. Which can be blamed to the fact that last god around was moon god(dess).
>>336105662
Its because all the LoC come from.a different time period, but were awoken where they died.
>>336105730
He died doing what he loved.
If it wasn't for him, you'd never reach Yhorm.
>>336105730
It's funny to think a guy devoted to ladders died by falling off a ladder.
>>336105405
>Normal ending: Linked the fire like a chump
Yep, you gotcha.
Link the fire, become a lord of cinder -through merit/action- and get real crispy and hope your legs/limbs don't burn off like the little lord courland.
I wonder who carried him to the throne, maybe the firekeeper?
>End of fire: Collude with the firekeeper to snuff out the first flame and usher in the age of dark
Yep. Bring on the dark as seen in the -secret- firelink shrine and enter into an age of dark; where hope remains as little embers in the darkness move about.
>Betrayal: Collude and then backstab the firekeeper and take the fire for yourself?
You chicken out and link the fire.
The narrator -who is a fire maiden- is pissed off at you for being such a cunt.
>Usurpation of fire: take the fire for Londor?
This one I'm not 100% sure about, but you some how absorb the linked fire into the darksign for keeps? The Sun becomes Hollow and you enter into an age of twilight?
>>336105730
Didn't you notice that huge ladder next to him?
He died doing what he loved and it's thanks to him that we were able to reach Yhorm
>>336105730
Tried to build a ladder to heaven but it was too short
How come only Vordt and the Dancer have cinematic entrances? I find it a bit anti-climatic when I reach a boss like Yhorm or Aldrich and they don't have a grand reveal.
>>336105730
Waited around to sell some idiot overpriced ladders, noone came, he died.
>>336105730
Inconsequential fan pandering or convoluted time stuff, take your pick.
>>336105781
And where they died then converged upon Lothric, because space is getting all fucked up due to the apocalypse.
>>336105773
This. We know Lordran/Anor Londo was in the north because of its proximity to the undead asylum. Gwyn's sunlight has just been gone so long that the cold set in.
>>336105482
At this point I think they must have both been illusions because you murder both of them and there are still tons of knights all over the place in anor in ds1 so why would smough be considered the "last" one?
God what a silly bit of lore for them to fuck with. Wouldnt be surprised if the creators of this game themselves dont even have a solid lore and just assume the fans will autismo about it long enough where we just make up something slightly cohesive.
>>336099128
I think everything's gone to shit because it's been thousands (hundreds? millions?) of years since dark souls 1, and that's a long time for violent mindless hollows to wander around and fuck everything up. No clue about the dark sign though.
>>336105862
Exactly. Its a clusterfuck of different time periods
>>336105662
>It's the very first words of the intro man. "Yes indeed it is called Lothric, Where the transitory lands of the Lords of Cinder converge."
No, no, no, dude, no- dude you're reading into those words extremely fucking bizzarily.
They call Lothric a transitory lands because so many countries/nations converge and neighbor around it and also in reference to the "temporary'ness" of the reign of these kingdoms and so forth.
I can't imagine how you got, "Oh, well, the lands must physically move!" from something so passing- wouldn't you think something so important would have been made or explained more explicit?
>>336101325
>Gwyndolin literally did nothing wrong
>creating illusions to deceive humans
>lying to everybody
>trying to maintain the age of gods and continue the cycle of pain when all gods except him are kill
>teaming up with toothy serpents
>being a degenerate
Gwyndolin literally did nothing rightexcept being 10/10 fap material
>>336105831
you silly anon this has been a thing
So Ludleth "willed" himself a lord to be constantly resurrected by the cycles
Right?
>>336105968
Carthus is said to be a desert nation. But it's catacombs are right there in Farron with no desert in sight.
>>336105906
>because you murder both of them
Just like you murder the giant knights by the front door, you take their souls and equipment and everything. I guess they must have just fucked off when you attack the illusion of Gwynevere, clearly they couldn't be illusions because they drop stuff and you can murder them.
So why Nameless King and Gwyndolin aren't the Lords of Cinder?
They are the sons of the sun god and heirs of the sun, so powerful enough for sure to be a cinder
Bad writing?
>>336105730
Everywhere he goes, he must laddersmith
He died doing what he loved: boldly giving vertical access to uncharted territory
>>336105730
>laddersmith gilligan's body found at the profaned capital bonfire
>is there any explanation to this
Have a look around Gilligan's dead body: You'll see a broken ladder and some treasures/supplies.
Gilligan is a bit of a hustler/fraud and was most likely fleeing Lordran, but stopped to loot some treasure from the profaned capital.
He used one of his shitty ladders to escape and fell off of it when it broke.
>>336106057
Because Lords of Cinder had to have linked the fire, regardless of what retards might tell you. Nameless King would have no reason to link the fire, and Gwyndolin is a weakling.
>>336105730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isYF5E0WxGU
>>336106018
No, it's like you die again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again, but still determinated enough to clear the game and link flame
He did the same in his cycle
>>336104698
I think the Abyss and the Deep being the same thing is much more likely than not. The Deep is simply Aldrich's interpretation of what he saw in his visions of the Abyss.
>>336106057
Nameless King was disowned and probably doesn't give a fuck anymore. Gwyndolin felt it was his duty to maintain Gwyn's legacy, which is why he stayed in Anor Londo at all after everyone left. Burning himself up would leave nobody to fill his duty.
>>336106057
Nameless king is a faggot and I'm pretty sure Gwyn didn't want to offer his fagson to the flame.
>>336106057
Because they werent that powerful. Their power comes from Gwyns godliness. Aldrich was literally able to devour Gwyndolin alive.
And everyone forgot about Nameless King as his existance was erased, except his boyfriend Ornstien
>>336106057
Nameless King is a fucking scalie, why would he care about the first flame while he can fuck dragons?
Gwyndolin was too busy being eaten to become anything.
>>336106037
UGGGGGH IDK ANYMORE THIS LORE IS FUCKRETARDED
so either everything in anorlondo ds1 is an illusion
or everything BUT smough was an illusion
or nothing is an illusion BUT ornstein.
Which one is it?
>>336106057
You need to link the fire to become a LoC, stop believing the "all you need is to be strong :^)" memes
>>336106141
>nameless king would have no reason to link the fire
And aldrich would?
>>336106057
>So why Nameless King and Gwyndolin aren't the Lords of Cinder?
>They are the sons of the sun god and heirs of the sun, so powerful enough for sure to be a cinder
>Bad writing?
Nameless king is in hiding/busy being a dragon king.
His mountain may actually be capable of moving/turning into a fucking cloud or he exists in a dream?
Also for that matter: Nameless King probably doesn't care either way as he and his dragon subjects may be immortal.. or eternal in some way or another?
Dragons.
Gwyndoling has the luxury of not being a lord of cinder because he most likely established the system of acquiring and qualifying lords of cinder: Why would he extend the age of fire when he was the only god left? Gwyn had dozens of children left behind, so he sacrificed himself for them, but what does Gwyndolin have? Nothing.
>>336106263
They tricked him.
>>336106296
Who? Sully?
He was in his cathedral you mong..only the archdeacons and Sully had access to him
>>336106217
Everything in Anor Londo in DaS1 is an illusion except Smough, hence Anor Londo going dark when you kill Gwynevere.
>>336105371
That's the sun
>>336106296
Why and how? At that point couldnt they have just tricked nameless or convinced gywndolin instead of that crazy cannibal guy?
Is Aldrich hiding Manus body?
The archdeacon soul says they are watching their masters casket, but the opening scene shows Aldrich coming out of a casket in a mountain area.
>>336106280
>Why would he extend the age of fire when he was the only god left?
In Anor Londo. There were plenty of Gods that fucked off to other places.
>>336106280
If the Flame chooses strong people to be LoC then it wouldn't give a shit about the Nameless King being in hiding, it would brand him as Lord of Cinder and carry on.
Gwyndolin didn't establish "the system" it has been this way ever since Gwyn linked the fire for the first time, Gwyndolin has always been the weakest of the three children.
>>336106390
Okay whatever. Point still stands that the fire doesnt link.
>>336106404
>but the opening scene shows Aldrich coming out of a casket in a mountain area.
They all came back to live on the same graveyard as you are
>>336106057
Lords of Cinder is just a title that Lothric bestows upon powerful souls with the potential to link the fire. Three of the five lords didn't link the flame yet they still have their titles as Lords of Cinder.
So I'm still fairly early on in the game, I'm still trying to get a feel for the basic structure for the story, so correct me if I'm wrong:
Basically, Lothric used to be an extremely large city state, but it shrank slowly over its decline. You start the game at the "modern" Lothric city limits, and the further you get into the game, the further away you get from modern Lothric, and the further you get into what used to be Lothric, and into Lothric's past, generally speaking.
Is that in the right ballpark?
The end of fire ending felt really weird. I've been enjoying the DaS universe for 3 games and then suddenly everything comes to a quiet and peaceful finale. There is nothing grand about it, just a quiet fade to black as the world darkens.
I really like this ending. It feels so bittersweet. You stand next to a woman who has helped you throughout your journey and look on as an age that has went on for way longer than its natural life finally comes to a peaceful end. I hope this is the canon ending and the Usurp the fire ending is just a bonus thing. Maybe we'll go to Londor in one of the DLCs and it will shine some light on the Usurp ending but until then, this is my favorite.
You know what's nuts? People trying to discuss lore in a game that's poorly translated.
I can't think of anything more absurd.
>>336106484
Then whose casket are the Deacons watching over?
>>336095472
>Continue to argue over the definition of Lord of Cinder edition
There is nothing to argue over. Gwyn became known as the Lord of Cinder after he linked the First Flame. Before that he was known as the Lord of Sunlight. Also
>cinder - /ˈsJndə/ - noun
>noun: cinder; plural noun: cinders
>1. a small piece of partly burnt coal or wood that has stopped giving off flames but still has combustible matter in it.
You can't be cinder until you have burned.
>>336106514
So why Nameless king and Gwyndolin aren't the Lords of Cinder?
>>336106351
Is there anything supporting that JUST smough was real in ds1? I mean If ornstein was just an illusion that was a solid fucking illusion and makes me wonder why gywneverre only had like 1 health when gywndolin can make a solid boss enemy illusion.
>>336106475
Gwyndolin and Frampt did develop the system. The first person to link the flame after Gwyn was Chosen Undead. Gwyndolin was the one behind the legend of the chosen undead and all the tests required to get the lordvessel.
>>336106163
There's still things that are Dark and things that are Deep.
Dark Spells are the characteristic Black with white detailing, while Deep spells are Blue and black.
Human dregs are notably different from humanity (otherwise it'd just be called humanity) and are the heaviest thing in the body.
The Deep Gem says that there is a darkness beyond Human ken.
>>336106332
>>336106394
Dude was obviously power hungry, maybe they told him that becoming a Lord of Cinder would make him really powerful.
That or they had an army/some real strong guys corral him off to the fire and force him in there.
I don't really know how the Lord of Cinder distinction is made, but I'm still pretty sure you have to link the flame to become one. Why would they all have special fire powers? People just saying that they are Lords of Cinder shouldn't give them special powers.
>>336106552
You could visit Gwyn grave in the first das(and in the third too)
Doesn't mean his body is here
>>336106573
Gwyndolin was weak and NK was written out of existance.
>>336106542
Got examples of this poor translation?
>>336106573
Why aren't you the prince of England?
LOVECRAFTIAN DEEP DLC WHEN
>>336106436
>In Anor Londo. There were plenty of Gods that fucked off to other places.
Yes, but you know what I mean, right?
The Gods fucked off from Anor Londo; leaving him the only/sole god left in all of Lothric/the neighboring area.
If Gwyndolin used himself to link the fire there would be NO GODS left in all of Lothric and no one to continue to legacy of his father.
Yorshka the half-dragon niece? sister? Of Gwyndolin mentions that the ORIGINAL Darkmoon Covenant was used as an order of knights to protect chosen undead and the OG cinder lords from invaders and cunts from mucking up their journey to acquire souls and become good goyims to link the fire, etc..
I can only come to the conclusion from all the >lore that Gwyndolin continued the tradition of swindling dumb humans into linking the fire FOR HIM and then kept on doing it until he had a system.
Then he just sort of sat back and played politics until the Pontiffs of the deep trapped him and fed him to Aldritch.
>>336097882
>Oolacile dug up the Furtive Pygmy and tortured the shit out of him to produce more Humanity
What?
>>336106519
I dont know why you havent beaten the game first and then come into the lore thread but no. Most of this game doesnt even take place in lothric. but in places around lothric like ithryll and whats left of anor londo and the shitty town.
>>336106580
Gwynevere only vanishes after one hit because at that point you've tried to attack the Princess of Sunlight. Gwyndolin knows that, and decides you need to die so he just drops the illusion. He has a hard on for punishing sinners, remember. The giant sentinels were also confirmed illusions and hit pretty hard.
>>336106580
>Is there anything supporting that JUST smough was real in ds1?
Smough's hammer and armor set descriptions.
>>336106534
End of Flame ending can't really go anywhere because the world is patch black in the age of darkness.
Usurp ending however turns the solar eclipse white so you do something different and usher in an entirely new age, but what that age is named is not known.
>>336106602
Again, the only people who had access to Aldrich were those worshipping the deep. Those who wanted the flame to fade.
Also.Aldrich wasnt power hungry, Sulyvhan was. But Sulyvhan wasnt the LoC
>>336105549
>Tag team boss fight with the real Ornstein and Artorias in his prime
>>336106614
They say more than once that Aldrich's coffin is in the cathedral. Anri and Horace checked it and confirm it's empty. He woke up there and moved. Opening cinematic might show him in a cave or something? We never actually see the coffin.
So Smough smashing Ornstien in 1 has some different implications now doesn't it?
>>336099128
What everyone else said.
And there's really no way of knowing the timeframe of each game. Maybe in DS1 it's actually a century away from actually fading completely. Maybe in DS3 it's more faded.
>>336097487
Just some dude
He probably has a cool ass but whatever
>>336106692
are you talking about their discriptions in ds1 or 3?
because im asking if there is evidence in ds1 that smough is not an illusion unlike ornstein. Im trying to find out at what point they pulled this ornstein being an illusion thing out of their ass.
>>336106719
Sulyvahn was power hungry
Aldrich was just hungry.
>>336106519
>Basically, Lothric used to be an extremely large city state, but it shrank slowly over its decline. You start the game at the "modern" Lothric city limits, and the further you get into the game, the further away you get from modern Lothric, and the further you get into what used to be Lothric, and into Lothric's past, generally speaking.
>Is that in the right ballpark?
It's difficult to say to be honest.
I think generally speaking you start within the general territory of Lothric with the undead settlement, abandoned/untended graves and the castle/keep, but afterwards you venture out into the wilds/roads n' so forth.
The Kingdom of Anor Londo includes: The Arboreal valley, all of Ithiryl valley and the um, the profaned capital. Anor Londo is seperate from the kingdom of Lothric as the two seem to have distinct/seperate cultures.
>>336106580
>why gywneverre only had like 1 health when gywndolin can make a solid boss enemy illusion.
The way I interpret as is that the illusion of Gwnyvere never had to fight, or do anything really. It was there to give you a boner and want to link the fire.
The enemies and Ornstein, however, needed to actually fight. I think that maybe Gwyndolin used a core of souls for those illusions, so they could stand some punishment and dish it back to you. All Gwynevere had to be was just a dumb illusion to talk to, ergo, no soul core.
>Age of the Deep Sea
>this is when ANCIENT ALIENS awake and arrive from the sea (of stars)
>the world of Bloodborne is technologically more advanced than the world of Souls
Therefore Bloodborne is actually the far future of the Souls world when the Fire wasn't linked and the conditions were right for this specific era transformation to occur. At this point, souls have become much less important and no longer have the power to fuel weird magical shit; alternatively blood echoes are actually souls but seen through the lens of contemporary knowledge about blood.
>>336106719
Maybe I'm misreading some of the lore, but didn't Aldrich want to eat the gods so he could become powerful?
>>336106750
>tfw we will never see all 4 of Gwyn's knights in their prime.
>we will never see all the significant knight characters from all the games in their prime
Fuck. It'd be so rad since despite my feelings about DaS II, it had some really fucking bad ass knights like Alonne or Raime.
>>336104590
It's forbidden to take screenshots in Japan, so you have to download your screenshots (illegaly)
>>336106813
The second phase transition might be a clue. If you beat Ornstein first, Smough smashes him and he just completely vanishes. No corpse.
If you beat Smough first, Ornstein does that traditional soul claiming ritual. So that's at least an explanation for Smough not leaving a body. What it doesn't explain is how that just makes Ornstein really big for some reason. Being big isn't a super power you can absorb. It's just odd.
>>336106880
>Maybe I'm misreading some of the lore, but didn't Aldrich want to eat the gods so he could become powerful?
I think Aldritch wanted to consume the Gods in order to SURVIVE through the upcoming age of the sea he saw in his dream.
>>336106880
I think Aldrich was less interested in eating gods because it would make him powerful but more because they're more satisfying. regular humans didn't do anything for him anymore.
>>336106880
Im pretty sure he wanted to eat them because He just liked eating people and hey maybe eating demigods would taste/feel even better. I dont see any evidence that he was specifically looking for power
>>336106863
Where does Demon Souls fit in?
>>336106880
No, Aldrich ate humans, and Sully got a hint of this and manipulated aldrich into thinking eating the gods would bring the age of deep
I just want a vaati vidya video to explain it all.
>mfw game introduces old coot that was once powerful
I would like to see what Ludleth prime was like, when he became a Lord of Cinder.
>>336106889
You were fighting Alonne in his prime and Raime was arguably stronger than he ever was when you fought him since he was doped up on DARKNESS.
>>336098103
Nothing will kill my character because it's the best faggot and tomorrow you're eating dog ass.
>>336106719
>Again, the only people who had access to Aldrich were those worshipping the deep. Those who wanted the flame to fade.
No, the people of the Cathedral of the deep built it to corral shit in there. It wasn't corrupted until later.
>>336105187
Surely a crescent moon wouldn't show starts twinkling behind it?
>>336106889
>we will never see artorias without chicken legs
>>336106950
Well you fight a memory of Alonne. You have a point about Raime though.
>>336106716
End of Flame implies that the fire will just spark again anyways.
Hollow Lord ending seems to be a world without the sun, although we don't know if the Abyss is still around. My guess is that it is, and you just played into Kaathe's hands like the good drone you are.
>>336106981
"The holy symbol of the Cathedral of the Deep, and crest of those who see beyond fire to the age of deep waters.
The faithful ensure that Aldrich, Devourer of Gods, remains undisturbed, by taking the form of loyal spirits and hunting down those who would trespass the ruined cathedral."
>>336106913
Seriously?
>>336106929
Unknown, but clearly pandering to the fanbase by including a duplicateable version of the Storm Ruler has now muddied things.
So are the Abyss Watchers related to Artorias in some shape or form since they fight the Abyss?
>>336107045
>tfw everytime I dress up in his armor I always have to wear different legs.
I was wishing they fixed the chicken legs when I heard his armor was returning.
>>336107179
They're just Artorias fanboys who followed in his footsteps.
>>336102978
what
>>336107143
The Cathedral of the Deep and the "ruined cathedral" mentioned in that item description are two different places. The ruined cathedral being in Anor Londo.
>>336107179
They're reminiscent/an homage to artorias and sif since they twirl around like devil may cries with a great sword and worship(?) a wolf and something something the abyss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koCVr5mg6mw
>>336102884
What the fuck is this
>>336107143
That says nothing about what they used to be. Hell, Aldrich only got to the ruined Cathedral after you woke up.
>In the Cathedral slumber things most terrible, and as such, the deacons require a grand narrative, to ensure they do not falter in their duty.
>A philosophy, to ward away the madness beckoned by the grotesqueries at hand.
>Intended to teach divine protection to the deacons of the deep, but later, dark tales were added to its pages, such that it is now considered a thing profane.
>>336107252
well you're pretty much fucking charcoal for a fire so yes I would assume it hurts to be burning for an eternity.
>>336106692
so was the real ornstein all the way in Drangleic for no reason what so ever?
>>336107401
The one in Drangleic was a fanboy apparently
>>336107252
So if Ludleth is still around even after he became kindling, what of others that link the fire such as Chosen Undead?
>>336107401
Old Dragonslayer didn't even use lightning so it probably wasn't Ornstein. Just another old dragonslayer. There was a whole order of them.
So what will be the DLC?
>>336107424
Soul of Cinder.
I dont see why people rebuke time travel so hard when the first thing in das2 is the main character time travelling to drangleic
>>336107143
>Repulsive creatures of the deep are sure to attract the foolish, but the cathedral knights are prepared to meet such intruders head on with their more than ample might.
>In time, those dedicated to sealing away the horrors of the Deep succumbed to their very power. It seems that neither tending to the flame, nor the faith, could save them.
>The deep was originally a peaceful and sacred place, but became the final rest for many abhorrent things. This tale of the Deep offers protection for those who worship amidst those horrors.
Even Aldrich never worshipped deep, even after linking flame and being ressurected he started to eat gods only to be prepared for the next age, not because he wanted it to come
>When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea.
>He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself.
>>336107273
http://www14.zippyshare.com/v/h0ZgO20V/file.html
>>336107471
If CU became the Soul of Cinder, why are they hostile unlike Ludleth?
>>336107424
Soul of Cinder is Chosen Undead. The armor he wears is even a burned and warped elite knight set
>>336107496
What the fuck is this?
Why is the sun frowny?
>>336107462
So wait would the Nameless King be Ornstein then if the one in DaS was a illusion and the one in DaS just another dragonslayer?
>>336107401
It's hard to say since he had different coloured armour and used hexes instead of lightning. It's most likely another dude who wanted to be like Ornstein.
NCBQ0-8Z0IT-AN9F7
This isn't a dark souls key but ill be posting it here anyway.
>>336107479
Thats what Im saying, Sully used him as a puppet. Nobody really worshipped the deep, it was a ruse so Sully could become the strongest.
So what does dark souls 2 have to do with linking the flame? Is sitting on the throne of want basically the same thing? If yes, why even bother making it completely different
>>336107591
No, Nameless King is Ornstein's master who he was seeking out, Gwyn's Firstborn. Even wears the exact same clothes and crown as Gwyn.
I feel so bad for Aldrich
Fucking sjw ruined all his good points and he isn't the badass cannibal cleric anymore
>>336107535
It's an amalgamation of all the linkers, so it's not really the CU.
The armor is definitely not the Elite Knight set since it has a different helmet, shoulder pauldron, left gauntlet, loincloth, and greaves.
>>336107545
That's Faraam, apparently.
>>336107616
>Sully used him as a puppet
Lol what?
Another shitty headcanon?
>>336096897
Why were the firekeepers replaced anyway?
Old age?
>>336107603
taken apparently, whatever it was.
>>336107496
>angry sunface
>artist clearly doesn't know how to draw mail
>helm visor not split down the middle
>>336107252
I'm going full hunch mode, but bear with me and consider the following:
>Ludleth of Courland speaks of his time during his age of fire.
>He spoke of an age where the fire keeper present had eyes and wished to see a world of darkness and had betrayal set in upon her heart.
>Ludleth says that he himself took the initiative to take the responsibility himself to link the first flame: despite his obvious flaws.
Perhaps.
-PERHAPS-
Ludleth wasn't meant to be a Lord of Cinder and neither a chosen undead, but did so out of desperation?
Ludleth may have just been a simple man: one who transpositioned rare and unusual souls that were brought to him by an actual chosen undead.. But mayhaps they abandoned the flame and left everyone in an awkward position?
Maybe Ludleth used the Souls he acquired from his irresponsible chosen one and threw himself onto the flames to link them?
Being naught but a 'normal' man though, the linking process was HORRIBLE, TORTUROUS AND PAINFUL to the "little lord" as the depth of his own soul and humanity was paltry at best.
I dunno, just thinking out loud.
>>336107674
Which is why LoC did not link it. They would be part of SoC
SoC takes parts from CU (Phase 1) and Gwyn (Phase 2). They are the only 2 CONFIRMED for linking the fire.
>hurr durr Ludleth linked it.
Literally nobody except Ludleth even knows who he is.
>>336107471
If the other Lords linked the flame why do they get no representation in SoC?
Why is SoC stil there if all of them needed to kill it to Link the Fire?
If the last to Link becomes the SoC, why is it none of the Lords?
>>336107603
Thanks for the game. It looks trippy and weird as hell, but so did Lisa and I enjoyed that.
It was Dropsy if anyone was curious
So now that it seems like each 'age' only needs one Firekeeper, what does it mean for Irina to become one now?
>>336105968
Considering the geography of the Kiln, I assumed the 'transitory' and 'converge' bit had a double meaning in that both physically and chronologically everything is being drawn to one spot.
>>336107780
You're right, and the game tells us as much. Gundyr was supposed to link it and showed up too late. Ludleth willed himself a Lord of Cinder to save the Firekeeper who was terrified of what she saw.
>>336107853
Firekeepers die with their champion.
It's in case you fuck up.
>>336107850
You're welcome amigo. Hope you enjoy
>>336107785
>SoC takes parts from CU (Phase 1) and Gwyn (Phase 2). They are the only 2 CONFIRMED for linking the fire.
Nonsense, clearly phase 1 is more than one person, chosen undead is not confirmed as linking it, the Soul of Lords said many Lords have linked it since Gwyn, and Aldrich, Yhorm and Abysswatchers linked it as well.
>it's a people who don't read books discuss inferred lore episode
wake me up inside can't wake up
>>336107853
In DS1 we had 3 Firekeepers. And a bunch of old ones in DS2. There isn't actually a rule about how many there can be, just the special one that tends to the first flame.
What is happening in this game
>>336107785
This, this is the fucking retards who keep saying that LoC never linked flame
>Huuur duuurr only 2 people linked flame
But:
>Since Lord Gwyn, the first Lord of Cinder, many exalted lords have linked the First Flame, and it is their very souls that have manifested themselves as defender of the flame.
>many exalted lords have linked the First Flame
>HUUUUR DUUUR ONLY 2 PEOPLE LINKED FLAME OTHERS JUST A FRAUD GAME LIES TO YOU!!!!!!
>>336107785
Never go full retard.
>>336107640
DaS 1 and 3 are focused on linking the fire and the age of darkness that looms. DaS 2 tried to be different and focus more on the Undead Curse.
What the Throne of Want does exactly I'm not sure but the player's goal in DaS 2 is to find a way to overcome the Undead Curse that's turning them hollow. I'm assuming the Throne can do that. I think Nashandra wanted the Thone because its powers could help bring the Abyss quicker or something.
>>336107853
>So now that it seems like each 'age' only needs one Firekeeper, what does it mean for Irina to become one now?
Naw, man, you can have as many as you want.
>>336107947
Phase 1 is literally just a mess of how Player charcters fight.
But keep believing it isnt CU
>>336107785
>SoC takes parts from CU (Phase 1) and Gwyn (Phase 2). They are the only 2 CONFIRMED for linking the fire.
These are the same people who wank over their OC Chosen Undead.
kys
>>336107853
The main firekeeper is only special because she's caught by the fire-linking curse, just like us.
The lore of this game fascinates me, even though i only got as far as seeing the dragon for the first time on DS1.
>>336107856
Every fucking piece of land in the game is set on giant outcroppings of rock that stretch out a mile from the actual sea level. Even the swampy Farron Keep isn't in a lowland area because you go DOWN to reach the snowy Boreal Valley.
Everything about the geography is fucked. Even DS2 didn't feel so out-of-this-world despite the areas being very disconnected.
>The Lords of Cinder linked the First Flame, and this Greatsword was wielded by their deific manifestation. This coiled sword, found thrust in the bonfire, existed long before the throneless lords themselves.
>>336108058
>But keep believing it isnt CU
When did I say it wasn't? It's clearly supposed to include your previous Chosen Undead and Bearer of the Curse if they chose to link the flame. But it leaves the option open that they didn't.
>>336108096
bloodborne is better
>>336108128
>throneless lords
This might be the answer. Maybe something about their thrones kept them from joining the Soul of Cinder like the throneless ones
>>336108013
>>336108016
>Hurr durr lets just call someone retarded because we have no facts to back up our headcanon.
The game never tells you LoC linked the flame. Ludleth says he linked the flame, but he also says the 5 Lords are only used for Kindling in a ritual.
But you keep up your naive theories
>>336107947
You dont have to link the flame from the kiln of the first flame. In 2 you can do it from the throne of want. But only two people have linked it from the kiln, that would he Gwyn and CU
>>336108102
>Everything about the geography is fucked
I guess you missed the significant and repeatedly thrown in your face plot point about how the world is drawing in on itself with all the places of power converging to lothric
no, really, it's okay
>>336107947
>chosen undead is not confirmed as linking it
I think it kind of is. The events of DaS 3 couldn't happen if CU didn't link the fire.
>>336108102
>Every fucking piece of land in the game is set on giant outcroppings of rock that stretch out a mile from the actual sea level. Even the swampy Farron Keep isn't in a lowland area because you go DOWN to reach the snowy Boreal Valley.
I mean, if we really want to get into this they're trees.
Every physical landmass in Dark souls takes place on those Elder Trees from the time of mist and dragons.
Everything is so fucking plataueing and weird n' shit because it's TREEES man, you're on TREE branches.
TREES.
>Even DS2 didn't feel so out-of-this-world despite the areas being very disconnected.
DS2 though did have legit bad level-design, so yeah in their case it is the desighers fault.
The Iron keep is up in the fucking sky? Lava Clouds??
>>336095947
Chaos obviously
>>336108220
I called him retard because he said that only 2 people ever linked flame
>>336108236
>You dont have to link the flame from the kiln of the first flame. In 2 you can do it from the throne of want. But only two people have linked it from the kiln, that would he Gwyn and CU
Why would that matter whether they'd be part of the Soul of Cinder? Especially since there's ton of different styles in the first one, implying many different linkers, not just one.
>>336108267
Chaos burned itself out, which is confirmed in a bunch of pyromancy items. Profaned Flame is the result of a curse, came from the sky, and only burns human flesh
>>336106929
It doesn't
>>336108273
No, I said only 2 people are confirmed for linking the flame.
Ill reword it
ONLY GWYN AND CHOSEN UNDEAD ARE THE NAMES WE KNOW OF PEOPLE WHO LINKED THE FLAME
>>336108273
Correction, they said there are only 2 people confirmed for linking it. Not that many others hadn't linked, only that 2 are confirmed knowns.
>>336108338
>>336108385
Where it was said that CU linked flame?
Show me a proof
>>336107496
That's the worst chainmail I've ever seen drawn.
>>336108338
Which is clearly not true, because it's never confirmed that Chosen Undead linked the fire. The first stage could just as easily be Bearer of the Curse + a bunch of other undead that have linked it.
>>336108301
Because the fire maiden says that you're going to fight the anceint lords of lordran in a cutscene. Aka gwyn, and the CU who consumed all of their souls.
So uh, I just got all the endings and I'm a bit confused to what happened in the final hidden ending. I just become king of all hollows, what is the significance of this?Why did Anri have to die ;-;
>>336108273
>I called him retard because he said that only 2 people ever linked flame
Literally no one.
When people say that only "2 people have linked the flame" they're referring to the current context of the game: Yhorm and Little Ludleth.
No one is fucking saying only 2 people IN THE HISTORY OF ALL OF DARK SOULS have linked the flame, don't be SILLY.
>>336108448
>Aka gwyn, and the CU who consumed all of their souls.
Bearer of the curse can ALSO get their souls. Presumably, so did a bunch of others.
>>336105968
>流れ着く
>to drift to
Sorry dude, you're wrong. The lands physically move, I'm sorry the retarded translation didn't make that clear for you.
>>336108417
There are only 2 endings to DaS, Link or fuck off.
The current state of the world is not possible had the CU just fucked off.
>>336108484
Anri doesnt die. Shes kneeling to you.
Anri is hollow, she just respawns.
Usurping the flame gives you great power in the age of dark.
>>336108128
What is with bosses and their obsession with greatswords?
You'd think that a boss that was meant to represent player characters would wield a standard arming sword like everyone else.
>>336108516
Absolutely not true. You'd just hollow out and someone else would've gone and linked it.
>>336108516
Lol
Anyone could walk in and link fire after you
>>336099128
I got the impression that in DaS1, the flame is fading, but there is still plenty of time to spare before the fading becomes a huge problem.
But in DaS3, the flame is just a couple of hours from going out, which is why shit gets so fucked and anybody with potential to relight the flame is being brought back. Kind of like the flame has gone full on panic-mode.
This is 100% speculation though.
>>336108320
>Hey sweet a flame
>Fuck it burned me
>Is it giving you any tingling sensation? Maybe something that makes you wanna start a new age?
>Not a goddamn thing.
>Maybe it's just a normal fire, try it on this wood.
>It ain't fucking working!
>Jesus shit it doesn't even heat up my food, what should we call such a horrible thing?
>>336108417
>>336108443
Because if he didnt then age of darkness comes along.
The entirety of this game is people afraid of the age of darkness and out of desperation revive people to link the flame again, hinting that the fire hasnt faded yet.
>>336108582
Yeah except they're missing all the souls they'd need to make any sort of age of fire last.
>>336108417
Everything in DaS 3 is proof the CU linked the flame. If he instead became the Dark Lord and allowed the world to be swallowed by the Abyss than over half of the stuff in DaS 3 wouldn't exist.
>>336108556
There is no 'do nothing' ending, it's the Dark Lord ending and being a bumboy for Kaathe.
That evidently never happened as seen by the existence of everything in 3.
>>336108516
You do know that even if the flame is not linked eventually a new flame will appear. Its even stated that if the flame is linked multiple times in succession it gets weaker and weaker each time its linked. So unlinking the flame is essentially just restarting the cycle at "full power" So it is possible for the world in DaS3 to be like it is even if the CU didnt link the flame.
>>336108635
>Because if he didnt then age of darkness comes along.
Just like when Vendrick refused to link it, right?
>>336105968
>can't imagine how you got, "Oh, well, the lands must physically move!" from something so passing
perhaps because that is the intended meaning
>wouldn't you think something so important would have been made or explained more explicit?
so you have never played a souls game?
>>336108528
You know, I'm a fucking retard and didn't even see that. I'm going to go lay in the street now.
I know it's ambiguous then but is that a "good" ending out of all the possible scenarios? It seems like no matter what option you choose something or someone is awfully fucked. Not that I believe there really should be a good option it just seems like the best choice to happen.
>>336108635
>>336108636
>>336108641
Prince refuesed to link fire
Flame found a way
I want to play ng+ so bad but broadsword + dodging being the only viable option really makes me want to refund it
>>336107204
what is that fucking sword i see everyone fucking using
>>336108676
You mean when Nashandra almost got full strength, almost bringing upon the abyss?
>>336108542
He uses different weapons in the first phase.
What if 2 and 3 take place at the same time?
>>336108667
You're still not getting it. Dark Lord just means you'll go hollow and someone else will go link the flame. DaS2 was abundantly clear on this, because that's what Vendrick picked.
>>336108715
No it didnt. The fire fades in every ending.
>>336108612
That would explain how apocalyptic the sky and sun look in DaS3. It really does seem like the world is just about to fade away.
>>336108729
And a champion still linked the fire. Or chose to walk away, leaving enough time for someone to link it again later.
>>336108705
>dark souls
>any ending
>"good"
is it not obvious at this point that nothing good ever hpapens in these world, to anyone, ever?
>After the Legion's Watchers became Lords of Cinder, the wolf blood dried up, and Farron was consumed by a festering wood.
Can someone explain, how watchers become LoC and their home being ruined connected?
Shouldn't they be even stronger after getting enough souls to be a powerful enough to be considered a LoC?
>>336108667
In the "Dark Lord" in DaS 1 ending you do nothing though.
You don't usurp the flame, you literally just walk out of the kiln.
>>336108676
Vendrick and DaS 2 has nothing to do with linking the flame. DaS 2's story focused on the Undead Curse. The emergence of the curse implies that the current age of fire is starting to fade again but everything that happened in Drangleic is entirely Nashandra's doing and isolated from he rest of the world.
Why in the bonfire after dancer was the sky red with bone dragons and had a darksign instead of the sun, but later after I fucked around and left/returned everything went back to normal?
Also what is the black infection like what inflicted that dragon in Lothric Castle?
>>336108882
they stopped caring/protecting their area when they became loc. this is directly stated in an item description
>>336108884
Then why are there items that reference a distant land that is known for linking the fire in the last cycle?
>>336108972
Can you link it please
>>336108884
>Vendrick and DaS 2 has nothing to do with linking the flame.
"You who link the fire, you who bear the curse. Once the fire is linked, souls will flourish anew, and all of this will play out again."
>>336100483
>>336108692
I guess everybody is either going undead or trying to relink the flame in some way or another.
Like, we look into Lothric and it seems like people from all over the world are converging and making the trip to the general area so they can try to get someone local or foreign to try and link the fucking fire and end this madness.
If Dark souls 2 though is any indication of what it's like OUTSIDE of Lordran than it's an even BIGGER shitshow.. Because it's like: The Undead Curse just fucking happens and no one knows what the fuck to do.
I get the impression Drangleic became so powerful because they built the Throne of Want; a giant kiln capable of relinking a localized flame or something? So the neighboring people could be come Un-undead and back to normal?
Who knows, dude.
>>336108882
Being LoC means getting burned by the First Flame, without the protection of the Abyss Watchers the woods just got fucked up.
Honestly, I'm pretty disapointed in DaS3:s lore. I mean, DaS2 was far from perfect, but with SotFS they atleast tried to make something coherent.
This game takes so much from DaS1 it almost feels like a rehash lore-wise, and for the last game in a trilogy it gives absolutely no sense of closure.
I'LL JUST WAIT FOR THE DLC I GUESS
Why is Yhorm known as "Yhorm the Giant? He's not actually one of the race of giants is he? and as far as size goes in Dark Souls he isn't exactly the only huge mother fucker around.
How can the Abyss Watchers all count as one Lord of Cinder? Couldn't we have just used them all instead of the others?
How did Lorien take on the curse? I thought it was something you either did or didn't have but he somehow choose it?
>>336109046
no it's not
I dont know who determinates who is going to be a LoC.Is it a title granted by the flame?It's quite confusing since we used to think people who link the flame before earned the title.But in this game it seems anyone that has a potentiel to be a LoC can also be called a LoC.I jsut dont get it.If so someone as powerful like Nameless King could also be called one.
>>336108976
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Stuff happing at Drangleic has nothing to do with linking the flame.
>>336109051
>inb4 the DLC is ornstien fighting against the abyss and losing, making DKS2 Ornstien canon
>>336109051
>This game takes so much from DaS1 it almost feels like a rehash lore-wise, and for the last game in a trilogy it gives absolutely no sense of closure.
It's a direct sequel man, I dunno what else to say.
It's gonna feel pretty rehashy when compared to DS2 that took place in some foreign land.
>I'LL JUST WAIT FOR THE DLC I GUESS
oh, fuck, you know it man.
>>336109090
>t's quite confusing since we used to think people who link the flame before earned the title.
That's the definition. It has not changed. The game is explicit about this.
>>336109067
Because there was a Yhorm who wasn't a giant?
>>336107496
This is the worst thing ever
>>336109145
When is the game explicit about this?
>>336109090
>But in this game it seems anyone that has a potentiel to be a LoC can also be called a LoC
It doesn't seem like that at all. You're getting confused by reading posts by high schoolers who can't evaluate the lore because they never read books in their life and suck at inferring.
>Profaned Capital
Am I supposed to be getting Oolacile and Kiln vibes?
>>336109191
Twin Princes Soul.
>>336109145
But in DS 3 it doesnt seem that way when it comes to the Legion, Aldrich and Lothric.The game cleary states that they've the potentiel to link the fire, although they didnt link it before.
>>336109067
>Why is Yhorm known as "Yhorm the Giant? He's not actually one of the race of giants is he? and as far as size goes in Dark Souls he isn't exactly the only huge mother fucker around.
Yhorm is a Giant.
His size, resistance to damage and his weird face thing going on are all made in reference to his distinction as a giant.
>How can the Abyss Watchers all count as one Lord of Cinder? Couldn't we have just used them all instead of the others?
You sort of do: All the Abyss Watchers are linked by a blood pact paid with wolf blood, so they're ALL just one clump of soul.
>>336109067
>How did Lorien take on the curse? I thought it was something you either did or didn't have but he somehow choose it?
No idea Familia.
Could be a different kind of curse?
>>336109295
>The game cleary states that they've the potentiel to link the fire, although they didnt link it before.
No it doesn't.
They crawled out of their graves. Everyone who does that, including the main character, has been burnt for the flame.
>>336109295
>The game cleary states that they've the potentiel to link the fire, although they didnt link it before.
no it doesn't
Hawthorne states that Aldrich was deemed a Lord of Cinder, not that he choose to be one or to link the Flame. He was deemed one out of sheer power, because he had a great powerful soul after he devoured so many gods and men. I find it hard to believe that something so terrible would have went out of its way to link flame.
>>336105730
Can we talk about the huge opening in the cavern of the Profaned Capital looks like the same one from Things Betwixt, an area not far from Majula, Gilligan's last known hideout?
>>336108641
You do realize that ANYONE can link the flame, right? You don't even need the Lord Souls to do it, as DaS2/3 both show.
For all we know, Chosen Undead refused to link the flame and some other asshole came along and did it.
>>336109426
>Hawthorne states that Aldrich was deemed a Lord of Cinder, not that he choose to be one or to link the Flame
Stop making shit up.
Hawkwood says he was MADE a Lord of Cinder. As in, against his will. At no point does he say "deemed" or "named" or something that implies the position is merely titular.
>>336109092
It's literally said, multiple times, by Herald that you need to link the flame.
>>336109426
you misinterpreted, the point is that only power is required to be a lord, not goodness.
>>336109472
Stop it
That anon is retarded and thinks that player character is actually the Chosen One and super special
>>336109273
>"rejected their duty"
>he thinks their duty was link the flame
Their duty was to be sacraficed to a vessel to link the flame. Ludleth says s.
>>336109583
There is no difference. Burning to link the fire is burning to link the fire.
>>336109526
But why would he link the fire if it is againts his will?Same for Lothric, that he keeps saying he is not even slightly interested in linking the fire.
>>336108882
I'm pretty sure you only get strong by fucking up some things that have it coming. When every kingdom loses their main "fucker upper" then inevitably something comes a long and fucks up the kingdom. In this case the woods fascination with animal blood turned a bunch of people into bloodborne esque beasts.
>>336109583
>everyone who wasressurected already became LoC in the past and fucked off "rejecting their duty"
>Prince rejected his duty to become LoC and fucked off
Something wrong with your logic...
>>336109682
He was tricked? There was an army behind him that he didn't think he was able to take?
>>336109679
They arent burning to link the flame you fucking idiot.
They are burning to give someone the strength to link the flame, literally what they do so you can go to Kiln of first flame.
>>336109526
So who MADE him do it against his will before the chosen undead comes along? This creature that literally devours gods was forced to link the Flame? By Who? When they couldn't even get Lothric, who was born and raised for that job, to actually do it.
>>336109472
Anyone can link the flame so long as they have a powerful enough soul. The challenges you face during the game strengthen your soul so that you are able to.
You have to defeat those with the most powerful souls and take their power for your own so that you are strong enough to link the flame.
Who is left with a strong enough soul to link the flame if the CU became the Dark Lord instead? Let's not forget that Kiln wasn't reachable by normal means in DaS 1. Either Kaath or Frampt would have had to take someone their themselves.
>>336109745
If people who linked the flame were resurrected, where is Gywn?
Hes in Soul of Cinder,that explictily says its an almalgomation of EVERYONE who linked the flame.
You cannot come back after linking the flame.
But if you have the potential too, and choose not to, you can come back for round 2.
>>336109526
>As in, against his will
No
Again, you can't become disillusioned with something if you was forced to do it
>>336109786
>They are burning to give someone the strength to link the flame
A distinction without a difference. Clearly the original ceremony would've had Lothric receive the fires of the others.
Oh, and you're ignoring the fact that it explicitly says they rejected becoming Lord of Cinder. So being a Lord of Cinder is not some automatic state you achieve by being strong enough.
>>336109895
So where is the king from the das2? Huh?
>>336109887
>You have to defeat those with the most powerful souls and take their power for your own so that you are strong enough to link the flame.
Incorrect.
In DaS2 you can link the flame without acquiring all the Lord Souls.
In DaS3 you can link the flame without ever finding a Lord Soul.
Clearly, as long as you kill enough people/creatures you can link the flame.
Where are his legs?
What is he resting his elbows on?
>>336109864
>devours some shit
>pretty much immobile while devouring since he is literally a blob
>followers take him and dump him onto the kiln bonfire
that was hard
when you interpret things you work with what you're given. you were given that aldrich was made to be a lord of cinder. instead of coming up with ways that can satisfy this in your head logically you're trying to fight the FACT that he is a lord of cinder and the FACT that he linked the flame
it is grueling to read these comments, people striving to intrepet the lore incorrectly, trying to. like you're obsessed with shit like those dark pokemon copypastas.
>>336109953
Theres no proof of that since Ludleth says 5 lords were to be used as Kindling.
>>336109973
>In DaS3 you can link the flame without ever finding a Lord Soul.
there are no remaining lord souls
>>336109973
>Incorrect.
>In DaS2 you can link the flame without acquiring all the Lord Souls.
>In DaS3 you can link the flame without ever finding a Lord Soul.
You're taking the definition of "Lord Soul" to literally- they do not literally need to possess a "Lord Soul" from the Dark soul 1 pantheon or whoever.
You simply need as you've stated here: Clearly, as long as you kill enough people/creatures you can link the flame.
And as the other Anon was TRYING to tell you:
>You have to defeat those with the most powerful souls
You simply need POWERFUL SOULS, they do not specifically NEED to be literally Nito's, seaths or whoever's soul; they just need to be BIG and BRIGHT.
>>336109953
It never says the rejected being Lord of Cinder, it says they rejected their thrones.
>>336110164
>they do not specifically NEED to be literally Nito's, seaths or whoever's soul
they did in dark souls 1, because most of the power in the world was concentrated in the lord souls. you could not get enough souls without the lord souls in ds1.
dark souls 2 is non-canon, i dunno why so many of you are taking so long to catch onto this. the fact that nothing is directly mentioned or named means it was retconned.
>>336109973
So what you're trying to argue right now is that the CU fucked off and some random person farmed souls so that they could link the flame instead?
>>336110139
Proof?
>>336110164
>You're taking the definition of "Lord Soul" to literally
No, I'm simply saying that they are the strongest souls around.
And besides if that isn't your argument then you agree with me anyways: some bumfuck can come along and just kill a billion hollows and stray demons and eventually get a soul big enough to link the flame.
Ergo, there is nothing saying that CU canonically linked the flame.
>>336110181
>It never says the rejected being Lord of Cinder
>The two princes rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder
Please. you're embarrassing yourself.
>>336110181
The two princes rejected their duty to become Lords of Cinder, and settled down far, far away to watch the fire fade from a distance. A curse makes their souls nearly inseparable.
- Twin Princes Soul
>>336110273
>Ergo, there is nothing saying that CU canonically linked the flame.
But they did. Which do you think is most likely? The ending that DaS 1 thrusts upon the player, or the ending that you have made up?
>>336110434
You do know that Dark Lord is also an ending in the game, right? It's not just fanfic.
Why does Yuria send a pilgrim to kill/capture Anri? Looking at the usurper ending Anri is there bowing to you and looks totally on board with this shit. It's even weirder considering Anri wasn't like, some random choice of a Hollow to become your spouse, but she knew of her before then. Perhaps she was also acquiring the dark signs from another Pilgrim and Yuria just slapped us together?
>people arguing canonical details in a Dark Souls thread
the point isn't the details you autistic fucks. It's the theme, tone and general message carried over. Soul of Cinder is clearly meant to be the Chosen Undead/ Dark Souls in general, the twisted armor is very clearly meant to evoke the design of the Elite Knight Armor and the music from the first game is supposed to clue you in.
Jesus Christ it's not that hard. Why do you retards take everything so literally.
>>336110062
>followers
His followers? They just carried him to the kiln of the first flame? Where does it say that if youre talking about fact?
>>336110575
It's an alternate ending which is not canonical.
>>336095472
From the Pickle-Pee Pump-A-Rum thread:
The fuck is this crow's theme?
Sparkly liked sparkly shit, snuggly liked soft shit, and Dyna and Tillo liked the smooth and silky stones. The fuck ties together Siegbrau, Moaning Shield, Avelyn, and and alluring skull?
>>336110712
So it's not canonical because it's not canonical.
Fantastic logic there.
>>336111034
>Chosen Undead didn't link the fire because they didn't link the fire
Fantastic logic.
Why did my Spiderfu turn into an ash tree?
Why is seemingly the entire world turning into ash trees?
Why are we going back to the age of trees?
Are the dragons coming back and we're going back to an age of dragons?
Is this all one giant loop and eventually another "first" flame will start?
Fucking Boletaria didn't even have it as bad
>>336110296
Youre literally ignoring Lord of Cinder being kindling. Ludleth says this himself. Stop trying to use Twin Princes as some failsafe.
Lord of Cinder is a sacrafice. They can reject it all they want. But we bring their Cinders to the throne.
"Knowest thou of our purpose?
Five thrones will take five Lords, as kindling for the linking of the Fire.
The fast fading Flame must be linked to preserve this world.
A re-enactment of the first linking of the fire.
So it is, I became a Lord of Cinder. I may be but small, but I will die a collosus
