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How do we save the Warcraft?
Just let go. It's over.
>>335363152
Resurrect Blizzard North and give them the development lead.
Round up the people who ruined WoW and it's lore and publicly execute them.
game's 12 year old nigga let it go
Warcraft has been dead since 2003, a spinoff called World of Warcraft became the new main series now.
If you see the Warcraft when traveling down a road, kill the Warcraft.
This entire game must be purged.
>>335363152
you move on
Theres already a bunch of WoW threads up
Don't know if its just because WoW has been in the news a lot recently, I really want to play it.
I don't want to play live WoW, I need a MMO to fill the hole, anyone?
>>335363513
What's the game? Black Desert?
>>335364161
FF14
>>335363513
>FFXIV has a rise in popularity during WoD.
>They then release Heavensward
>Heavenwards fixes none of FFXIV's problems and causes many new ones
>Has less to do end game than WoD
Its a shame really. HW killed FFXIV.
>TFW unsubbed and uninstalled after being sucked in again for a month
I'm just so tired /v/, seriously is anyone playing any good games that aren't Dark Souls 3? I just want to have an adventure. Fallout 4 and MGS5 were such let downs I just don't know where to look anymore.
>>335364501
the problems aren't really an issue and they are actually making an effort to fix them unlike Blizzard who gave up on WoD after 1 major patch.
>>335363513
>reasons for leaving
>NO FLYING
b-but they added flying!
>>335364657
>They're making an effort to fix them
I havent been to on top of FFXIV so far. But last I checked they were two patches in and still nothing to do. Crafting was still worthless. Dungeons and raids were boring and generic, and the classes still had those god awful changes.
jesus christ some people just can't move the fuck on. it's been 12 years, have you thought about just playing another game instead of "fixing" this one?
god I hate wowfags, talk about cancer.
>>335363261
>Blizzard North
but they were the Diablo shop. I don't think they touched the other properties.
>>335364657
The expansion suffered from the problem of - more content, just less of it.
You can clear through the casual content in a few hours. That is unacceptable from a longevity standpoint. The non raid content is faaaar too easy and quick to complete.
Beyond that - they fucked crafting and added no new long term game mechanics that are worth investing time into.
The only reason people play the game is because it's pretty, is a FF ip, and has dumb quirky side content.
>>335364942
They changed a lot within two patches and the next one is due next month.
Crafting is essential to raiding, many PVE and PVP balance changes for the better for jobs, most of everyone agrees that Midas Alexander is the best raid tier since SCOB.
>>335365356
Dungeons and story mode trials are designed to be casual babby mode, Extreme trials and the upcoming deep dungeons/treasure dungeons are for midcore, and Savage is for poopsocking hardcore autists who need to minmax everything.
They admitted they fucked up crafting and made it relevant in 3.2 and are making lots of changes in 3.3
>>335363513
>NO FLYING
Kill you're shelf
Release World of Warcraft 2as an inplace expansion for freeand transition to F2P
It would literally destroy the rest of the MMO market.
>>335364531
>Fallout 4
>MGS5
>Dark Souls 3
how about you stop playing AAA trash games you fucking normie
>>335365730
>Crafting is essential to first week progressive savage raiding
FTFY. Everyone I asked was sick of Alex after the first few weeks, especially those who didnt strive for savage. Having a second half of a goblin raid was a mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCWCPyxByg
>>335363152
Free to Play.
>>335363513
>final fantasy
ahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
It had a good long run. It is time to die and move on.
>>335367532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdV_bzJgRxE
What does /v/ think about FFXIV's NOT POWERMAN5000 theme?
>>335363513
>FFXIV
>>335368007
>All of their raid mechanics have a huge 10 second windup and tells that are more obvious than WoW addons
I know its just normal but EX doesnt get much more complex in that phase.
>play FFXIV
>feels like im moving on fucking ice skates
Why does not a single MMO have the fluid and non tanky movement of WoW ???
Another MMO, but they failed at that and turned it into an FPS.
>>335363152
I too saw this on the front page of Reddit today.
>>335366025
>are making lots of changes in 3.3
They're finally going back to 1.23 combat and will be making content that doesn't become irrelevant the second new content is out?
Wow, all that in an odd numbered patch in the middle of an expansion. I'm impressed SE, I just expected a patch with a pointless 24 man casual raid, 2 pointless hallway dungeons, and a (possibly pointless) trial.
Step 1: Get over Vanilla already.
If you can't get past step one, try this step;
Step 2: Kill yourself you fucking faggot.
>>335368290
This isn't necessarily a jab at WoW, but its because WoW's animations are kind of silly and unrealistically weightless. Your character swings his Armageddon sized 2H swords in an arc in .0001 second which means that your character is rarely stuck in an animation when moving.
>>335364228
Not that guy, but ESO felt kind of wonky. The gameplay is okay, I guess, but actually playing through the game feels like a really long and somewhat boring task.
>>335369291
>$0.05 has been deposited into your account
>>335363513
>A Realm Stillborn player shilling his game instead of playing it
>>335369997
At least it requires that you play it.
Why am I supposed to save a faceless company that is making billions of a game when they won't admit they are wrong and they already turned into shit?
Move the fuck on.
>>335363513
>FF14
>an upgrade to WoW
Unless you're a final fantasy fanboy, not really. I just spent 6 months on heavensward after ""quitting"" WoW. While they have alot of great features and cool content, it isn't even half the game that WoW is from a playability standpoint.
>>335366591
>normie is an insult
wow are you REALLY that insecure?
>>335371335
Funny because I quit because of garrisons.
Now I'm back, I barely pay attention to them and I'm having alot of fun.
>>335373421
I stopped playing WoW back in 2014, never gone back since. I'm having fun with FFXIV right now. I grew up on FF so it hits me in the feels with past ff references.
>>335363513
>move from a dying game to a shit clone that's dying even faster
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>335365016
No game has come out to surpass it yet.
will there ever be a mmo thread that is not Shilled by FFXIV
>>335364228
Fuck you I'm still mad about muh jungle.
>>335374559
No game has come out to surpass Quake yet either, but people move on with their lives.
>>335364758
The requirements to fly are fucking ass tho
One of the five requirements to get the pathfinder achieve requires that you complete every single apexis daily given from your garrison.
The bullshit thing is that i am two apexis events away from completing this, but they never seem to be given to me.
>>335375278
Actually counter strike and halo far surpassed quake.
>>335363152
At long last... no king rules forever my son.
>>335373781
Had alot of fun on FFXIV but there is really nothing to do. They have a very good base to go on and I hope the game continues to improve, I'll probably revisit it at some point.
>>335375950
I finally got around to leveling crafting classes now. I'm hoping to jew on the marketboard in the near future.
Currently doing carpentry and botany. After those are done I'm gonna do fishing and cooking
>>335375278
cs 1.6 had way more depth than quake and it's still being played by 15k+ people
>>335374056
639k active players is pretty good for a sub only MMO that's not WoW.
>>335363513
>FF14
That's just WoW with a 2.5 second GCD though
>>335377056
You do realize the list is going from left to right, yeah?
It's less than 300k
bdo if u like farm/craft/sell
gw2 if u like theme park where farming doesnt feel like a pain in the ass
lets Worlds of Activision die
By replacing the incompetent designers with people who actually like MMOs
>>335377267
If you actually read moonspeak like I do, it says there are 639,585 total active players above level 20. The numbers on the right are how many people completed the main story scenarios, 263,604 completed patch 3.2's story.
>>335377267
the leftmost number is the active players accordign to lodestone. rightmost is people who beat 3.2
>someone in the other thread literally posted that Mark Kern is a good game designer and he saved firefall
>>335377056
>>335377551
>>335377638
>active players
It's active characters, plenty of people use alts, enough to bring it down to 500k actual subs and players or less
>>335375330
then buy the scouting missives you fucking mongoloid
god damn are people who play WoW this dumb?
>>335375330
You can do all of them in the same day, retard.
Just buy missives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdzBx6WJGE
>>335377760
>Mark Kern
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
yeah what a guy, im sure he's good to have on your side
>>335377730
Lots of ERP and gold spammers alts exist, but barely any of them are above level 20. There's no point in alts when you can level everything on one character. It's actually detrimental to make an alt because of cross class skills and whatnot.
>>335377806
But anon! He's on our side!
>>335375330
>waaah I have to complete content and play the game to get things!
>waaaah!
WoD seems perfect for you tbqh
>>335377851
Doesn't stop people from making them and still being counted in the census. There are easily at least 100k active alts across all servers used for various purposes like simply hanging out with friends on other servers, extra banks using GC chests to transfer items, playing the markets, double or triple raiding, ERP or even PvP.
>>335377661
>mark kern gave them millions and saved the company from bankruptcy
>but he's not allowed to spend any of his own cash
>he was toxic and abusive in the workplace
>to a team of people who are clearly massively incompetent
>no mention of the fact that the game was vastly superior and more popular with kern than without him
what was the point of that thread? did you just google it real fast hoping I wouldn't take the time to read it?
>>335378105
sure there's alts, but a large majority of them are under level 20 so they aren't counted by the census. you don't need a level 21+ alt to bank, hang with friends, or erp. there's no point to alts above level 20 unless you really enjoy doing the 100+ hour story and leveling 2-3 different classes all over again on one character.
>no Dragon's Dogma Online in the west
E3 or bust
>all quests, events, and item acquisition boil down to brainlessly killing weak enemies with the same string of attacks over and over
>playerbase collectively admits it's tedious garbage to the point of referring to 99% of the gameplay as grinding
>only saving graces that anyone ever talks about are the story and multiplayer community
why did people ever like this again?
>Never got into MMOs
I feel I've been spared a horrible fate.
>>335377143
when did WoW get tons of ogcds and 3 month patch cycles
>>335378348
Except they aren't, plenty of active alts are above 20, if not at 60. The game has been around since 2010, levels were kept for the 2.0 transition and even back then enough people had alts, despite having to pay more for every extra one.
ARR was around for 2+ years and the level cap was stuck at 50 for all that time, plenty of time to also level an alt to 50. HW has been around for 9 months, plenty of time for people to level their alts just 10 more levels, and also plenty of time for people to level another one from scratch.
Again, there are plenty of active alts above 20, enough to bring the active characters number down to 500k active subs or below, just because (you) don't think having an alt is worthwhile and don't do it doesn't mean at least 100k players don't have an active alt above 20.
>>335378597
Yes, and no.
MMOs were great and amazing, but they died once social networking burst, and now are literally just hollow butchered singleplayer games.
>>335378851
you're assuming that everyone who made a alt and played the game to level 50 3+ years ago is still actively playing the game on their alts to be counted in the census
>>335378472
It was made early enough to pull in the fanbase that wanted something like that and now is running on the forward momentum of that player base and it's inability to move on.
>>335378902
Social networking had nothing to do with the death of MMOs. It's like something in the industry today makes it impossible for a hardcoreMMO to be developed. I blame Nexon/NCSoft personally.
>>335378902
>hollow butchered singleplayer games
aint that the truth.
Only way MMOS are ever making a comeback is when nobody has to work anymore
>>335378264
>gave them millions
you can't read, also he never saved them from shit...they were already in the black when he came on
>defending being a shitty bitch to employees
>10k people online is better than 5k!
L O L honestly just shut the fuck up you dumbass you're sad
>>335378472
the worst part is the PvP was even worse than it is now, WoW is and always will be a PvEbabby game
>>335379028
Well then that just means a bunch of people dropped the game, which would be correct because the game has been dropping subs and players like flies. A lot of the people who leveled their alts back then still use at least one and use it enough to be counted in the census.
This also doesn't help the bad "b-b-b-but the game has players!" shilling argument you're trying too hard to make, because since according to you no one uses alts enough to count, then the 100k+ drop from the last census wasn't just people who stopped using their alts, it was cold hard subs lost, which is even more pathetic.
>>335379557
>the game has been dropping subs and players like flies
no one knows for real, Square Enix never reveals their player numbers. it's all assumptions and guesses based on limited data provided by the Lodestone.
Regardless of sub loss or not, a MMO only needs 100k active players to be successful. a subscription only MMO needs less, see FFXI.
>>335379370
They take way too long to balance classes. Took them around 8 months to fix hunters barrage knocking rogues out of stealth.
>>335379557
>>335374056
600,000 players is more than Tera, Wildstar, and Blade n Soul combined.
>>335379370
>you can't read, also he never saved them from shit
>At a time when the coffers were empty, and the future grim, he was able to arrive at the eleventh hour with millions in investment capital. It's hard to not view someone as a hero in light like that. This is why he was the CEO of Red 5. There is no other reason. Everyone who had been, or could have been CEO, left the sinking ship - and just before it dashed itself against the sharp rocks of bankruptcy, Mark appeared with bags of money. He grabbed the tiller and hauled.
>defending being a shitty bitch to employees
You've never actually worked a real job have you? In the real word, if you fuck up you get chewed out. The company is chalk-full of retard fuckups.
>"b-b-but he was m-mean!"
good, they deserved it. it clearly got their asses in line.
>it w-w-w-was only t-twice as p-p-popular! n-not a b-b-big deal!
you retailcucks are pathetic
>L O L honestly just shut the fuck up you dumbass you're sad
great argument.
Uninstall and play Runescape instead. WoW ripped off all its good ideas from Jagex anyway.
>>335379891
They don't reveal them because they know how sad and pathetic it is to have an MMO that has 5 million accounts created but is very well below 500k subs. The game doesn't even make substantial profits from the subs themselves, they admit as much in every financial report if they even bother mentioning the game directly, all its major profits come from cash shop shit and merchandise.
>a MMO only needs 100k active players to be successful
Except not really, especially a modern subscription based MMO that took millions to be remade. FFXI gets by because it's old as shit and costs peanuts to be maintained, and was maintained far better than XIV which is their current international MMO flagship, with more substantial monthly updates until Yoshida the Hack severely slowed down the pace of its updates.
>>335380532
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pc-mmo-blade-and-soul-passes-1-million-players-day/1100-6434150/
No.
>>335380564
They were empty but in the black, and no, it doesn't matter what your initial capital funding is if you're elected CEO just because you ponied up the dough and take them from in the black to in the red within a year's time. You don't seem to be able to understand much bud, are you sure you don't have the tism? Are you sure you have worked a "real job" since you don't understand the slightest fucking thing about money?
You're literally defending someone who was one of the worst heads of a company in recent memory being a complete mongoloid to employees because he forwarded some pointless petition to someone who doesn't care about him or nostfags, this is rich honestly keep it up
>>335380743
>1 million people show up to a F2P launch
the numbers must have dropped heavily by now like wildstar
speaking of wildstar, that game is so dead now that they shut down the last PVP server. now there's only 2 PVE servers left.
>>335380620
At this point, you just sound like a salty guy who hates FFXIV with a passion.
I bet you're one of those people who cry that 1.0 was better or FFXIV killed FFXI and you will never forgive SE.
>>335381008
Probably, but all those 3 combined still make more active players than XIV has, with Wildstar definitely being the worst populated of them, Tera being second place and BnS still the first on merits of still being fresh enough and just getting a big update recently.
>>335363152
Legion is the deciding factor. MoP level of quantity? Blizzard is back.
Repeat of WoD? They can go fuck themselves.
>>335363152
We can't. Activision has ruined Blizzard, as they have done to so many other developers. The higher ups at Blizzard slowly sold off more and more of their souls to extract maximum profits from their games; now, it is too late to undo that damage.
>>335381191
tera is dead unless you play on korean servers, same with BnS.
>>335380897
>They were empty but in the black
>At a time when the coffers were empty, and the future grim
>he was able to arrive at the eleventh hour
>sinking ship
>just before it dashed itself against the sharp rocks of bankruptcy
>one of the worst heads of a company in recent memory
>Made a popular and profitable MMORPG, his company didn't like this for some reason, voted him out, and went on to destroy said popular and profitable MMORPG
Keep desperately clawing away at this man's reputation, you're not getting anywhere. It's great that he does one simple interview and completely dismantles years of retailcucks' arguments against legacy servers. What's even greater is that you can't say shit about it because he was high up on the development team when the game was actually developed.
>>335363152
We don't.
We let it die.
Play queue simulator on Kronos.
>>335381141
Nice projecting retard, I like the game, I hate shills who go screaming NO THE GAME IS GAINING PLAYERS EVERY DAY AND IT'S DOING HEALTHY MOST PLAYED MMO ON THE MARKET THE GAME IS A MASTERPIECE STOP SAYING BAD THINGS.
The game is faulty as shit and it shows in every census census and in game with people leaving in droves, and the same thing will keep happening until they fix all its glaring faults that keep getting ignored with a "please look forward to it" in every single interview and event. At this point though, no, the game will never change and it'll still be shit and I'll be calling it shit as long as it's shilled to death.
Will they support my thread or lash out against me for daring to criticize Blizzard?
>>335375330
You are one hell of a fucking retard.
>>335381568
>people are leaving my server so every server is dying
lol
>>335380897
Hm, well, here's everything that happened with the company after they voted Kern out:
>On May 26, 2015, Chris Whiteside, the former Lead Producer of ArenaNet on Guild Wars, then the Design Director for Guild Wars 2, attended an interview as a member of Red 5 Studios, stated “We’ve been through the fire, and we’ve grown close. These guys (Red 5 Studios) have bonded into a truly collaborative business, and our overall plan is to become the best online world building studio in the business. We know what people remember from our checkered past, but we know we can prove we’ve come through the fire and controversy ready and raring.” [12]
>Red 5 Studios in November 2015 laid off 40 employees (including Chris Whiteside) and several more in December 2015.[13]
>On December 25, 2015 many employees did not receive their paycheck and in return they received a letter. "Hi Team, I regret to inform you that Red5 currently does not have the funds necessary to meet our payroll scheduled for today Friday, December 25. Due to this, there will not be payroll paid this week.
>Red5 and The9, our parent company, is currently working to resolve this, during the holidays, as soon as possible. We are hopeful we’ll be able to resolve this and will update the team immediately." [13]
>>335381584
MMO-Champion is filled with people who hate Blizzard already so you're going to get people who agree with you
>>335378632
>3 month patch cycles
oh yay, another hairstyle at MGS. Just have to farm up six billion fucking coins, wooooo!
New story quest that you'll have done in an hour of gameplay, wooooo!
>>335381672
>top 10 server
>i-i-i-i-i-it must be because your server is dying!
Good, keep projecting retarded shill.
>>335381774
>"b-b-b-b-but mark k-k-kern was m-m-m-m-m-mean though!!"
>>335377806
stupid that whole thing was shown to be fake by some sjw cuck who wants to make kern look bad.
>>335381357
LOL you literally have no idea what in the black means
>popular
>profitable
yes he spent 1million+ of company funs on a fucking bus which didn't even work that went to ONE event, made batshit insane expenditures like a Youtube videogame Mythbusters clone series, put the company in the red, but somehow he did a good job
My god you're insane, you might just be Mark Kern. I don't care if you petition cucks get servers or not, I don't play WoW and I'm not dumb enough to whine about blizzard but turn around suck their cock for $15 a month just to play the same old shit again, but to defend someone who was a colossal cunt who couldn't run anything worth a shit just because he does something pointless with an online petition is legitimately the saddest thing I've seen anyone do on the internet
cy@
>>335381774
>owned by chinks, BoD is a bunch of The9 chinks who failed every major contract they got
>can't pay employees for reasons ranging from Mark Kern tanking their company to being owned by chinks
but yea this is all defensible because MUH PETITION
>>335381898
hmm...nah
>>335381791
>MMO-C
>Literally fanboy headquarters of WoW
>haters
>>335380897
>>335379370
>>335377661
where u@ bud? you ok? you get BTFO too hard?
>>335381863
all your picture is proving is that the numbers have increased since January but people are still casual as ever at savage content.
>>335363152
Kronos is so popular it now takes 2 hours to login and they're opening a second server on Wednesday. Obviously legacy servers can save WoW.
>>335382047
>1m
3 million.
>>335382095
even more sad than defending Mark"literally ran a company into the ground solo" kern, asking WHERE U AT because you got blown the fuck out and are pretending you didn't
C Y @
>>335382142
Except it still shows a big drop in players across all servers.
>>335382268
>Kronos
>shithole filled with bugs
>p2w
>russian snowniggers
who cares
>>335381393
>literally 4400 people when I joined the queue 2 hours ago
"You think you do, but you dont"
Get your friends to come back.
No, really. Think back to the old days, when did you have the most fun playing WoW. When you played with your friends.
>>335382339
still more players than other MMOs besides WoW lol
Balmung has twice the population of Nostalrius
>>335382047
Okay, I'm >>335381774 , and I don't really get what you're trying to argue here. The9 acquired a major stake in Red 5 in 2010. Kern was voted out in 2013. The events I posted started in 2015 and went onward.
Their major troubles hit well after The9 was in the picture and Kern was out of it.
Again, is there a real argument here or are you just projecting? I'm legitimately curious but so far I've seen nothing from your end.
A good idea would be to restart WoW from vanilla like Runescape did from 2007. Keep the level cap at 60, but redo all of the content. Karazhan at level 60 would be awesome. No stat inflation.
>>335382480
I never played with my friends, I just made friends on WoW back in 2006, much like I would now if I still played it.
>>335382047
>LOL you literally have no idea what in the black means
In the very link you posted, they paint a pretty vivid picture of just how "in the black" they were. You're a desperate retard.
>he spent his own money!!!!
by god you're right, what a monster!
>who couldn't run anything worth a shit
>runs the dev team during Blizzard's development of fucking starcraft, diablo2, warcraft 3, and Vanilla-TBC WoW
>runs a company full of incompetent retards and actually makes a good MMO (firefall)
try again fuckboy
>who was a colossal cunt
you're right, what a meanie-face!
>hmm...nah
fantastic argument bud
You can't save something that there's nothing wrong with, though.
>>335382464
>free server
>free
>>335381584
Your thread sure went places, anon.
>>335382669
>private server
you understand how big of a deterrent that is, right?
>>335382498
Except even BnS easily still has more than 600k players, and so does a bunch of other F2P trash, and so does EVE which is sub based if you wanna pull the "BUT THEY'RE FREE TO PLAY" retarded argument.
The problem is that a lot of the fan "fixes" are ideas that are good on paper, maybe even good implementing them on their own, but when done together are a clusterfuck.
>>335382480
They convinced me to come back then immediately quit when fucking dark souls III came out so now I'm stuck raging at retards in BGs in season 1 fucking pvp gear. What a fucking waste of god damn time and money this game is. I don't expect to be rolling anyone hard,but jesus, I'm barely a speedbump to most players. All these casters with 550k+ HP to my sub 300k, getting 2 shot by destro locks, raped by almost everything else... Fuck this shitty game and fuck the "friends" who pull people back into this meme of a game.
>>335382532
those events aren't immediate, search around the Firefall reddit for posts from employees, the only positive things being said by people who worked at the company at least until the dec 2015 fiasco is that morale went up when they hired Whiteside, and they might get a bunch of people to play Firefall when it releases in China. The game is a complete shitshow atm
>>335382602
just google in the black my god
>a good MMO
he never ran shit during his time at blizzard, you need to be put in an insane asylum holy shit
>>335382532
>Again, is there a real argument here or are you just projecting? I'm legitimately curious but so far I've seen nothing from your end.
He's a shill/retailcuck trying to smear Kern for advocating Vanilla servers.
>>335382829
Well arenas got changed so that gear is irrelevant and it's all down to how well you play the character, so you can do that.
Rogue vs Rogue Battlegrounds:
After half an hour, the first rogue gets found and ganked, and while hes ganking, the ganker gets ganked by another ganker which makes another player gank him
it would be glorious
>>335382882
replying to other people because you're buttflustred about getting btfo isn't gonna help anything, stop being such a hothead bud
>>335382942
How so? I see alot of the gear scales up in level in PVP, not that it does a damn thing for me lol.
>Shadowfury
>Chaos Bolt
>Conflagrate
>Dead
I would have expected this in BC or Wrath, not now, fucking god damn I just about chucked my monitor through the fucking window.
>>335382768
>BnS easily still has more than 600k players
except they don't unless you have a statistic showing their player numbers as of today.
same with the other F2P trash and EVE.
and you're still in a delusional mindset that the game is declining when the game has more active players than any other MMO on the market.
>>335383173
>fucking god damn I just about chucked my monitor through the fucking window.
Then fucking calm down, it's just a goddamn game.
>>335382856
>just google in the black my god
I know what it means. It has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. The employee from that reddit link literally states they were on the brink of bankruptcy and Mark Kern saved them with his own money. You tried to argue that this didn't happen and that "Kern didn't save them from shit". Desperate retard. Try again.
>he never ran shit during his time at blizzard
>Mark E. Kern is an American video game designer best known for being team lead on the video game World of Warcraft
Oh wow, it's just Blizzards largest franchise to-date. No big deal, right? He basically didn't run anything! Try again.
>>335383205
>delusional
>the game isn't declining!
>clear census showing a clear 100k+ drop in players between the last one
Fuck off delusional Squeenix shill.
Stop trying to recapture the wonder of playing an MMO for the first time when you were a kid and enjoy the time you get to spend with your guild/real life friends.
>>335363513
>quit because no flying
Yeah you totally played in 2005.
>>335383340
but anon, I played Nostalrius not even a month ago and it was still wondrous! maybe it was just a good game.
>>335383310
>census with no official data, just speculation
if the game really was declining, they would have shut down or merge the 50 something servers they have already or went F2P years ago.
>>335382362
Exactly. If a bug filled, p2w server is literally bursting at the seams, imagine how good an official server would be.
Kronos isn't really p2w anyway. You can trade characters with other players and buy the original epic mounts that were removed by the end of vanilla. You still need the riding skill, which is the expensive part, for the mounts and account trading existed on Ebay since literally day 1.
>mfw enjoying the fuck out of ashran
fully geared warrior with AA feels orgasmic. niggas don't know how to react when I charge in, ss, pop all cooldowns and bladestorm the shit out of their middle, while my team of medics keep me topped off.
mini game or not, pvp is the only reason to keep playing.
>>335383228
>just take a chill pill, man!
IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY ANON.
I think there are other pressing concerns.
How do we save the Warcraft movie?
WoD had a severe lack of a Nesingwary chain. It needs to come back.
>>335383534
>melee
>having fun in ashran
>>335382856
I agree those events weren't immediate, that's sort of what I'm saying, that these real troubles didn't start until Kern had been gone for some time. Whiteside wasn't hired until May 2015, and was let go ~6 months later in November. Again, are you assigning blame for this to Kern?
Nonspecific reddit posts really don't constitute solid evidence in my mind; the one you linked paints Kern in a pretty bad light, though it could have been condensed to 2 paragraphs if not for all the buzzwords and quasi-philosophical rambling, yet still it was posted years ago when Kern was actually voted out BEFORE any of the payroll and layoffs issues started.
So again, I'm sorry, but I just don't see anything substantive.
>>335383592
I think he was confirmed for Legion? One of the devs said he has a quest chain in Highmountain or something
>>335383578
Yes, it does. Why do you care so much, it's just a way of entertaining yourself. If you're not having fun anymore then just play something else. Getting angry over a videogame is what fucking children playing CS do.
>>335363513
something that bothers me about this image. can anyone confirm the date they added armored mounts? was it during the patch that introduced battlegrounds?
I don't remember exactly when, but I do remember when the vendor was added to trade in your non armored for the armored version.
>>335383260
that's in the black, they owed no money. they had costs, but owed nothing and had nothing, holy shit you googled it and are still talking about this shit
if Kern did so much, what happened? The game went nowhere, and they're still suffering from his expenditures. You keep arguing the same shit and you keep getting blown the FUCK out over and over again just because this goofy fag signed your little petition. woooooo
>Not playing Warmane Lordaeron
>>335383592
No player in the history of WoW has ever liked doing those quests, they just did them anyway because they ALWAYS offered good rewards and lots of xp.
>>335383513
Except that's retarded logic especially considering it's Squeenix, which are the biggest retards in the industry, just as retarded as their shills.
XI hasn't had a server merge in years despite only having about 100k players for about as long, they won't do a server merge because they're lazy as fuck and it would cost them more to do one, on top of being a way to admit the game is dying, and considering they don't mention sub numbers they want to hide it as long as possible.
Server mergers mean nothing in this case, the census are clear and show a very real drop in players.
>>335383459
If you've got the monkey brain and are just waddling through it going "wow I remember when I was 13 and this was a compelling story and mechanically difficult game" you can enjoy it.
>>335383695
Because it's fun for a bit, and then all of a sudden you're not playing PvP, you're playing "Life as a fuck doll" simulator for some fucking nerd spamming emotes.
>>335383810I liked them, they were repetitive as fuck but at least it had an in-game justification for their repetition
>>335383780
It's a little silly to blame a CEO who has been gone since 2013 for issues the game continues to experience 3 years after the fact.
>>335383805
>Unironically sitting in a 1500+ faked queue
No thanks. I prefer Deathwing, I'd rather have a few P2Wers than to suffer through that every time.
>people still pay real money to play world of warcraft
what are you, in-game poor?
>>335383856
>I hate Square Enix because they fucked me as a child and I accept assumption based census statistics if they support my view of their games declining
this is what you sound like right now
go kill yourself jit, you're obviously buttmad that a game you hate isn't dead yet.
>>335384038
Again though, why are you letting yourself get upset? Yes they're better at the game than you, you're letting yourself be a salty fuck over that? You're acting like every nigga in the FGC that has a chimpout when he loses.
>>335383810
I liked them, you got to go to a bunch of places and fight huge beasts, and to top it all of you get to come back to Nesingwary and look at him and his buddies get shitfaced.
The rewards were substantial for a bunch of kill quests, though, and that was certainly a key factor I'll give you that.
>>335384148
Fuck off shill, the game is losing subs and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>335384130
>he doesn't make nearly six figures a year and is able to keep his account active, simply because it's $15 a month and literal mudhut dwellers in brasil can even afford that
I just think it's time to let go of MMOs in general. We need more singleplayer content, more quality. Now, this is the one that has been dying quite fast over the years.
The future looks grim unless one of them gets an opportunity to shine again. Both multiplayer and singleplayer experiences are doomed otherwise.
>>335383856
You went from facts to feels real quick anon
>>335383780
>that's in the black, they owed no money. they had costs, but owed nothing and had nothing
You keep talking shit repeating the same nonsense over and over again. Read the fucking Reddit link yourself.
>if Kern did so much, what happened? The game went nowhere
You know what happened idiot. He was voted out of the company and his contributions to the game were undone. The game now pulls in ~500 players during primetime even though it's F2P.
You keep arguing the same shit and you keep getting blown the FUCK out over and over again. It's pathetic. I almost think you worked under Kern and he shat on you for being a shitty fucking programmer. You seem pretty hellbent on making people on an anonymous anime forum think worse of him. That's resentment if I've ever seen it.
>>335384240
if the game was losing subs, why are multiple servers still locked and full :^)
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/80cd4583bf743600105b947d6906d0909189e479
>>335383938
>you think you were having fun but you weren't
ebin
>>335384227
>better
>getting globaled = skill
Not really, what pisses me off is getting fucked raw and dry for hours and hours at a time for no fucking reward and being completely useless in a BG. It's like they don't actually want people to get into the game. Nah, if you're new, you deserve to just be passed around like a fucking bitch for hours and hours on end. And nobody horde side knows how to fucking go after objectives.
>DUDE
>HONOR KILLS LMAO
>WHAT'S A BOMB?
>WHAT'S A DEMOLISHER?
>DUDE LMAO
>>335384081
If you're from the US, there aren't enough players on Deathwing to reliably do things. Most players are EU.
>>335384386
>if you're a literal quivering mush mind retard you can enjoy it
Fixed that for you.
>>335384271
XI not having server mergers for years and sitting close to 100k subs is a very real fact. Server mergers being costly and time/resource consuming is also a very real fact. Server mergers being seen as admitting defeat or a sign of a failing MMO is also a very real fact, as admitted by that other fag himself when he said they would have done them if the game was dying.
TWELVE THOUSAND PEOPLE PLAYING WOTLK ON LORDAERON AND ANOTHER 2K IN THE QUEUE
THAT'S AS MANY AS FUCKING NOSTALRIUS DID
YOU THINK YOU DO
BUT YOU DON'T
Why are people so quick to crown Kern as some development genius, when it was already proven that WoW's success was simply "the right place the right time"
>>335384379
>what are artificial locks that can be bypassed by paying for a transfer
>what are artificial locks that can be bypassed by creating a character at 4am
>what are shit servers and code that can barely handle what they already have
Fuck off shill.
>>335384530
>wotlk
We make an arena worth playing,
With spikes all over that do damge when you walk on them, and dragons, and trap doors, and paladins...no wait that would make it unbalanced. And it's in a forest with big trees for cover that break LOS, and half the arena is on fire.
>>335384530
Wait, there's a populated wotlk server?
how is it?id prefer bc tho
>>335384657
or maybe the servers are legitmately full you retard
remember that Balmung has over twice the population of Nostalrius, the biggest WoW private server ever created.
>>335384686
YOU THINK YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY WOTLK
BUT YOU DO
>>335384536
Nobody is calling Kern a genius, his opinion on legacy servers and their viability just means more than probably anyone else's.
>>335384701
We had that already
it was removed
>>335384747
>>335384530
I think a lot of people would be happy playing a legacy wotlk.
legacy vanilla would get old fast, tho.
>>335384770
meaning more than nothing isn't much
>>335384737
>s-s-s-s-server is full!
>but you can make it not full this very instant by paying the low low price of $18!
Fuck off retarded shill.
>>335384832
>legacy vanilla would get old fast, tho.
>Nost was out for over a year
>Had the largest population it's ever had
>Was still rapidly growing
nope
>>335384530
>>335384686
>announcing that this shit exists
You know why Nostalrius got noticed and taken down? BECAUSE YOU FUCKERS WOULDN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Did it ever occur to you chucklefucks that the more attention is given to a prvate server, the higher chance of it being looked at and taken down. Remember, as much as you don't like it, private servers are using Blizz's copyrighted IP without permission, they have every legal right to take these down, so if you want them to stay, STOP CALLING ATTENTION TO THEM.
>>335384886
Considering he was team lead during the development of the actual game and several other games, as someone who knows what creating legacy servers would entail, his opinion means quite a lot.
>>335384130
Wow token costs about 86k on EU at the moment.
Why didn't I just buy one before I quit when it was still 50k?
Why must life be such torment
>>335384924
>850k "accounts"
>150k "active players"
>12k peak online being generous
>>335385065
>Wow token costs about 86k on EU at the moment.
What the fuck, they're like 30k at worst on Proudmoore.
>>335385019
>someone who knows what creating legacy servers would entail
Yeah I'm sure someone who hasn't worked at Blizzard in 10 years knows exactly how they run things right now
Don't you have a call you need to be making tomorrow that won't get answered, you fat autistic fuck?
>>335385106
You're NA, right?
I'm playing on EU-Stormrage, a fairly low populated server and it's still that high.
>>335385014
lol I just tweeted to Blizzard about the server
you mad kiddo?
>>335385186
>You're NA, right?
Yes, though sadly our server has a lot of Australians.
On the plus side the fact that they were awake and playing the game while US players were sleeping meant we were the first server to max out the Sunwell daily requirements.
>>335385246
No because I don't play it, I'm just making a point that MAYBE if people didn't constantly go "no man retail sucks, go play Nostalrius, here's an infrograph with their website and contact info and everything", maybe Blizz might not have noticed them.
>>335385271
>On the plus side the fact that they were awake and playing the game while US players were sleeping meant we were the first server to max out the Sunwell daily requirements.
Symbiosis at work.
Did you actually manage to do anything else of note in regards to Sunwell or was that it?
>>335363152
leave main realms alone or babies will cry
create new realms, call them "hardcore" realms, test the following experimental shit there and see how it plays out:
- remove dungeon finder, raid finder
- implement pre-nerf av as an optional battleground in addition to regular av
- extend proving grounds: silver requirement to more shit
- do more with brawler's guild
- allow people to choose an expansion to progress/raid against
- if not above, expand timewalking to raids and make timewalking rewards for raids significantly more useful than those for 5mans
- scale gear down to the zone level to make world pvp actually interesting
- get rid of fucking garrisons
- make gathering nodes slightly more plentiful to compensate for getting rid of garrisons
- reverse the skill pruning from 6.0, that shit was fucking dumb
- space out raid content more evenly throughout release so that the first three raids aren't 3 months each and then the last raid is a fucking year and a half
idk i'm sure i could think of some more shit that would improve the game
>>335384889
>I have no idea how server load works
Balmung crashes, guess how many people you have to wait in line before you get in.
>>335385469
I got the Shattered Sun title personally
>>335385473
maybe add a significant buff against pve monsters for zones you significantly outlevel
>>335385473
Blizzard won't do ""anything"" for the community unless it makes them a Shitload of profit in return.
>>335385489
>I have no idea how artificial server limits work
You can still transfer to any locked server as long as you pay and it works the very second the payment is confirmed regardless of the server's status. That's also far less than the 150k active players Nostalrius had, retard, and it's just a bug showing the total amount of characters created on that server, not the amount of people trying to log in.
>>335363152
world of warcraft was never good.
the entire system was always based around autism farming. they just streamlined it more so it became more obvious what the game REALLY is.
>>335384530
warmane's numbers aren't accurate
>>335384712
It's ok. Haven't gotten to the wrath stuff yet but so far almost everything has worked well.
There has to be a brave hero within Blizzard team that deletes all the play-for-me and Facebook features.
A Brave member that says 'Fuck you' and rollback free max level characters, revamp the entire pre max-level content so it's challening
force people to interact again
Then take all the backlash and get fired because of crying faggots
>>335385175
>French Nostalrius devs ran the server for a few hundred dollars a month
>Blizzard doesn't have the ability to create and operate legacy servers in a financially viable way
>>335385841
appealing to a large niche of players that left because they made the game shit would make them some money
but idk you'd have to tell the op that, not me, i was just throwing out ideas because he asked how to save it
>>335385859
What do you guys think the sub count is at right now?
I bet about 3 million of that is fucking China, I mean, look at China's population, and the fact that their subs work differently
then you have bots, and the fact that there hasn't been content for like a year
ho man
>>335363152
Why should we? The industry would be better of if Blizzard died.
>>335385842
Nostalrius had 10k people online on the PVP and PVE servers combined at peak hours right before it closed down.
>b-but it's just a bug!
now you're really grapsing straws, like I said go kill yourself jit.
>>335385246
>implying sick cunts still play fucking wow and rats to blizzard
>>335385859
level boosts should be limited to the minimum level of the current expansion even during prepatch
getting a level boost for a certain spec should require you have a max level with proving grounds silver for something else of the same role (e.g. if you want to boost a holy pally, you'd need a max level healer with proving grounds silver already)
playing a boosted character should require you to get proving grounds silver before doing ANYTHING that requires teamwork
They need to bring back Wintergrasp, but in a way that works.
People didn't inherently hate WG, they just hated how if one side managed to take it, they could hold it for weeks because defending was infinitely easier than attacking, TB tried to fix it but honestly was too far in the other direction and making control a game of ping-pong.
>>335385860
>Do you plan to introduce any sort of classic realms that allows players to play at previous expansion levels?
>We do not plan to do that. There tends to be a lot of emotional desire for that, although when other MMOs have tried that, they don't tend to actually survive for long. There are a lot of complexities with that, because it has to be a bundle, where you get the old hardware, the old cold, because the old codes meant to run on the old hardware, the old data, the old bugs, all that kinda stuff, and of course the natural expectation is "oh well you would fix all that stuff", but maintaining that many different versions of the game is just not feasible, especially in a world where people want more content, not less.
>>335385859
you only think you want difficult and fun levelling, but you really don't.
>mark kern
>>335386117
sub count went up a ton dude. everyone I know quit wow shortly after hfc and came back because we can all effortlessly pay 40k a month for a token.
>>335386117
It almost certainly is. That's why they've stopped reporting the sub numbers, I mean there's literally no reason to stop unless they're worried about what the numbers will indicate to investors.
They've also been playing up 'real' subs for a long time by mixing the Western and Chinese subs; even an account with a few minutes left on it can still be considered an active account for their sub count.
Clearly this trick alone isn't even enough anymore to hide how badly the numbers have hemorrhaged.
>>335363513
FFXIV is by far the worst MMO I've ever purchased, yes, even TORtanic.
>>335386523
source?
>>335386175
Except it's really a well known bug retard, and considering the low priority all broken shit gets and how long it takes to fix they just left it like that since the game launched. Nostalrius peaked at 150k active players, which is more than Balmung has because the charts from the census also show active characters over a set period of time, same as the Nostalrius numbers, not all characters logged in at once and XIV's shit servers can barely handle 3k+ players logged in at once.
Fuck off retarded Squeenix shill.
>>335386387
>especially in a world where people want more content, not less
So where is the content?
>when other MMOs have tried that, they don't tend to actually survive for long.
I don't know any MMOs that tried old school servers besides Runescape, and that shit is pulling comparable numbers to modern Runescape.
>>335386574
They had no reason to begin reporting them to begin with, they were just bragging about the growth of the game. Are you really that much of a moron that you think they were obligated to before?
>mark fucking kern
>>335386690
>Look guys the damage I did to Red 5 was so bad it couldn't be fixed by just getting rid of me
>It wasn't my fault guys
>How come Mike won't answer my calls
>>335385069
>private server
phenomenal stats desu
>>335386387
Every single argument he gave against legacy servers has since been proven wrong.
>>335386237
oh no you made boosting too hard!!!! now ill have to spend 60 bucks on wow tokens to buy 40 elixirs of rapid mind for 10 hours of 4x exp boost!! or ill multibox+raf myself with 20 elixirs of rapid mind for 5 hours of 8x exp boost!!
your idea is retarded. kill yourself
>>335385186
>>335385106
tokens are the same per region, server doesnt matter
>mark motherfucking kern
not even once. Fuck this pretentious faggot
>>335386387
>using the corporate-speak bullshit response from Blizzard
wew lad
I thought it was fairly obvious that Blizzard is unquestionably in the wrong here. If you're still sucking their dick after everything that's happened, everything that's been said, everything that's been posted and written, well, this isn't the place for you.
>>335386779
Nobody fucking gives a shit
They've been saying no to "legacy" servers for either fucking years. How much of a retarded dumbass do you have to be to keep holding out hope on something that's NEVER HAPPENING
>>335386613
you can't prove anything what you said so it's all null and void.
at the end of the day, you're just a sad butthurt man who can't accept that FFXIV is successful so you resort to spreading lies and outdated information while calling people a square enix shill if you don't agree with them.
>>335386842
Yeah, I suspected as much.
Do you reckon the price will lower in the coming months or will it elevate even further before Legion's release?
>>335386387
>There are a lot of complexities with that, because it has to be a bundle, where you get the old hardware, the old cold, because the old codes meant to run on the old hardware, the old data, the old bugs, all that kinda stuff, and of course the natural expectation is "oh well you would fix all that stuff", but maintaining that many different versions of the game is just not feasible, especially in a world where people want more content, not less.
Translation: "That would take some time and effort, that's too much for us at Blizzard"
>>335386608
blizz doesnt release sub numbers any more but it would honestly not be surprising if there was a slightly higher sub count because the game is f2p if youre good at making money
>>335386837
>everyone multiboxes
lmao
>elixir of rapid mind
easy solution, remove it
your response is retarded, kill yourself
>>335386893
Mark Kern was a producer, not a designer. Don't confuse "Team Lead" with Creative Director or Lead Designer. From Burning Crusade onward they removed the position entirely.
Rob Pardo made WoW good in the first place. Mark Kern is a fucking hack who will only ever be known for Firefail.
>>335385859
>leveling is interesting / helpful content
>>335386574
>I mean there's literally no reason to stop unless they're worried about what the numbers will indicate to investors.
Well duh. Blizzard doesn't have to care because they judge the success of an expansion by copies of it sold, and by that metric WoD earned them a metric assload of money in a day. But investors don't judge it that way so it doesn't really matter what Blizz thinks there.
>>335386690
>13k with kern
>500 without
the difference is quite clear
>>335386580
Tera was the worst MMO I ever paid for, game was so fucking unoptimized and it somehow had less content than TORtanic.
>>335363152
remove casualization
reintroduce social contact as a necessity to get anywhere
>>335386949
>will the price of tokens go up when blizzard adds more content and hype for legion????
>>335386663
Note how my message never said anything about an obligation to report the numbers. They may have not had a reason to report them in the first place outside of bragging rights, but they've certainly got a reason to stop reporting them now; and it's not a positive reason.
>>335387016
I still want to impregnate an Elin
>>335386962
If you wanna cut out fast leveling so bad just say you wanna cut out the boost altogether.
>>335386926
I don't understand this argument, FXIV is obviously regurgitated garbage that, while appealing to those that wish to delude themselves, can't possibly have any lasting appeal since all delusions must come to an end.
>>335387006
It was a pretty dead and doomed game to begin with. Fuck me Firefall is a garbage game, mark kern wouldn't made a difference. It's just a game of vision but no actual good stuff in practice
>>335386926
Neither can you shill, because your shit company are full of cowards like yourself who never give solid numbers and the community has to take it upon themselves to see how many actual players the game has. The census numbers are solid, the game just had a big 100k+ sub drop and there's nothing you can do about it.
Fuck off retarded Squeenix shill.
>>335387083
>all delusions must come to an end
yet people have been shitting their adult diapers and begging for a shittier version of WoW since WotLK launched
>>335387081
i don't think there's a need to do that when it can be fixed, plus blizzard's not going to do that because they make a lot of money off of it
they're far more likely to implement things to balance it, which is why i made suggestions to that effect
>>335363152
Good old times are not coming back, because its different for everyone. Someone somewhere just started playing that game today and thinks its best thing ever. Moving on is the right answer.
>>335386893
>>335386690
>>335386512
This is literally so fucking starved for attention. Fuck me, no wonder why he's so desperate to leech off from everything
>>335386916
>0.05 blizzbucks have been deposited into your account
way too easy to spot you guys, change up your rhetoric
>>335386951
But why the fuck would anyone subscribe so they can just log on and do tedious, boring bullshit so they make gold to subscribe again?
People aren't that fucking stupid, are they?
>>335387052
I've heard reasoning such as the price going up being because people are farming up gold for Legion.
If all the people who quit in like 1-2 months after WoD are coming back, they won't have enough money to buy a wow token, and as a result the price will fall down, no?
I don't know, I've yet to take an economics course at my college.
>>335363513
>Ditching WoW for WoW-lite: Anime Edition
>>335387218
He's responding to people calling him out on the Firefall situation like retards in this very thread are doing.
>>335387247
>spot the cruisecuck
hi cruisecuck, how ya doin?
Seriously, what MMOs that are still alive are any fun to play?
>>335387247
Not him but back when Cata was coming out, people asked if they would make a separate server for the content before Cata changed it. They said no, and that was 6 years ago. Why would they change their tune?
>>335387285
>People aren't that fucking stupid, are they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_school
>>335387349
>LOOK, LOOK! The game is slightly more dead now then when I left it!
he's not making a good case
>>335387115
>because your shit company are full of cowards
are you implying that I am square enix? are you delusional or just retarded?
>The census numbers are solid
they are all speculation based on unofficial data from a unreliable source, no one absolutely knows if the game is declining or increasing other than the developers themselves.
>the game just had a big 100k+ sub drop
and you can't prove this unless you're trying to say that you work for square enix and you seen the numbers yourself.
don't ever reply to me or my wife's son ever again you fucked up jit.
>>335363152
can somebody explain me that pic please ?
>>335386989
>sandbox elements
What are they supposed to do, redesign the whole game?
>>335387423
FF14 is still alive and is set to get a new major patch in 3 weeks (while WoW has to wait until August lol)
Whether it's fun or not is subjective to you.
>>335387423
If you like single-player Star Wars rpgs that have a co-op element, TOR is pretty good. It's the MMO I've put the most time into besides WoW.
>>335387190
what needs to be fixed? what needs to be balanced? i dont get how its an issue to begin with
>>335387423
DC Universe Online
>>335363513
FF14 is complete dogshit and was a waste of $15 bucks, nothing but running around in dead cities doing bread crumb quests and fighting with an absurdly long GCD
>>335387440
>slightly more
try again
>Why would they change their tune?
Nostalrius showed us that all the shit they've been spewing about losing the code and having the remake the game from the ground up is bullshit.
Also there hasn't ever been a massive show of support for legacy servers like this.
The game has never been as dead as it is currently either.
>arguing about which piece of shit unsustainable everquest clone you think is better
jesus christ, fuck everquest and all its horrible offspring
>>335387564
people not knowing how to play their spec engaging in things that require teamwork
>>335387456
The census numbers prove a 100k+ sub drop, the way the census works is only flawed by the fact it accounts for active characters and not active players, which also means it also accounts for alts and yes even bots, which means those numbers are inflated and the actual sub numbers are even lower.
You're a delusional retarded Squeenix shill, fuck off and kill yourself already.
>>335387335
WoW is already WoW-lite
>>335387558
>get a new major patch in 3 weeks
really? what relevant content is being added
>>335387656
That's the player's responsibility, not the creators'. There were always shit players and there always will be. They have to learn to get gud on their own.
>>335387429
There's never been quite the public outcry like the kind we've seen since Nostalrius closed. And let's not forget how many things they've said "no" to but relented on; faction changes, removal of PvP server faction lock, etc.
I personally believe that shutting down Nostalrius is a big hint they're planning to actually do it; shut it down in spring, give people the summer to stop being pissed off, announce them in November at Blizzcon.
>>335387626
>it's a casual defends the current WoW by shitting on older, superior versions of the game episode
>>335387656
>that
>not the game being empty of content
>>335363152
It's too late.
The biggest problem for me was the introduction of the level boosts. Instead of revising leveling and seeing where improvements can be made they just went "give me 40 bucks and you can skip it ;^)"
>>335387285
because you can still have fun playing wow. not everyone lives and breathes wow 24/7. you can have fun bging for an hour or doing a raid for 20 minutes. its a free game, it really doesnt matter.
>>335387313
how would that lower the price? rich people can still afford wow tokens. people too poor to buy something are shit out of luck.
>>335387429
because they're probably fucking desperate unless they've resigned WoW to die. Which they might have, but if they want it to have any hope again, they've gotta do something huge.
>>335387620
I can tell someone didnt play it when the only thing they use as an argument are general catchphrases they heard on /v/. Name some specific issues and it'll have standing.
>>335387669
except what you say is wrong and you can't prove what you say is true.
>>335387745
shit players engaging in team-sensitive shit ruins the experience for everyone, it's a way to improve the game
>>335387790
the question i responded to was "what's wrong with level boosting as it currently exists"
>>335387771
>"Superior"
>I-I love doing boring kill and collect quests with no objective tracker!
>I-I love spending days grinding for consumables only to be wasted when one of our 40 raiders has to leave!
>I-I love vanilla WoW, it totally isn't nostalgia or the fact that its free
>>335387656
ah right, all that super intense 640 ilvl content that requires deep and thought provoking teamwork.
you are retarded
>>335387910
None of them look very happy
>>335387956
>bragging about an objective tracker
>>335387705
More dungeons, more trials, more diadem content, new experimental content like deep dungeons and treasure hunting dungeons, more crafting endgame, more player housing, more quality of life changes to the client and server structure, more balance changes for PVE and PVP, etc.
>>335387901
>the question i responded to was "what's wrong with level boosting as it currently exists"
and leveling content is supposed to improve the game?
end game skillfulness is?
>>335387956
As opposed to boring kill and collect none quests where all you do is watch a bar fill up
>>335387898
Except the census is very well thought out and has plenty of of sources to make its information reliable enough. You also keep saying the game is gaining players instead of losing them, yet you also don't have an accurate source for that while the census does, you only have your retarded factless shilling.
Fuck off retarded Squeenix shill, nothing you say is true.
>>335387474
please guys i'm curious
>>335387901
>shit players engaging in team-sensitive shit ruins the experience for everyone, it's a way to improve the game
No, fuck you. It worsens the community by lowering the barrier to entry.
This video can just as easily be applied to MMOs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGrIR_jlLno
>>335387997
if you don't want to wipe 20 times and wait for stacks of fail to save you, then yes, even lfr requires teamwork
the point was that failing at teamwork makes the game worse for others, not that you can't faceroll through it eventually
>>335388004
That entire presentation was a shitshow.
>Presentation in Germany
>Unveil and ability called Blood and Soil
>Blizzard were probably completely ignorant of the origin of the term
My sides entered orbit.
>>335387879
I did fucking play it and I dropped that shit around lvl 18 when I realized what a boring piece of shit it is.
The game starts of with a boring tutorial where you run around the city that barely has any players in it.
You also have to deal with boring quests that have gear requirements for some stupid reason.
>>335388121
>plenty of of sources to make its information reliable enough
post them then
>>335363152
Why did they ruin the game?
>>335388195
>That 5.2 face
you have shit taste
>>335387828
>leveling
>interesting or helpful content
>>335388047
What wrong with knowing where the fuck you're supposed to go?
>>335388081
>2 dungeons, implying that's a lot
>1 trial, implying that's a lot
>lies, Diadem is dead and buried
>Deep Dungeon isn't even coming out with 3.3 and it's just going to be shit like Diadem
>treasure hunting dungeon, singular, they clarified that during the live letter
>vanity shit no one gives a fuck about
>changes that should have been made since day one
Wew lad.
>>335388195
>stealing shit from reddit to dump as if it proves the game is bad now
ebin
>>335388294
The game was better without it.. encouraging getting help in zones.
>>335388319
better than blizzard's "1 year per raid tier that's it folks" patches
>>335388138
what are you even talking about
the basic argument i'm making is "make level boosts more difficult to get because right now idiots can get them and then fail in raids and pvp"
>>335388285
Yeah let's have a huge world with absolutely no reason to adventure in it
Go grind more apexis crystals instead ;^)
>>335388081
The only thing there that's relevant content is the single trial
>>335388253
http://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/wsurvey_en.htm
>4 million subscribers
>he still thinks registered accounts = subscribers
>IGN fact checking
>thinks that's a valid source for anything
http://www.pcgamer.com/final-fantasy-xiv-has-5-million-registered-accounts/
>>335388440
Yes and I'm saying that it's not up to the creators to teach you how to play, you learn to play by failing until it's beaten into your skull what you're doing wrong.
>>335363386
It is past redemption.
>>335388454
The game having no content without leveling is no argument for the game having no content after leveling.
The theme park design is the problem. That's there with or without leveling, and leveling is enough barrier of entry that it prevents subs.
>>335388509
luckybancho is not a reliable source, it's all speculation based off of unreliable parsed lodestone data
>>335388158
you dont wipe lfrs because of boosters you stupid fuck. everyone goes afk in lfr. its piss easy, boring, unengaging content.
you already need silver proving grounds to get into lfr dumbass. your entire idea is redundant and doesnt even work according to your own experiences
>>335388583
so you're saying tutorials shouldn't exist?
>>335388602
>The theme park design is the problem.
If your problem is it being a theme park, then why the fuck are you playing WoW, because it's been that way since day 1.
>>335388602
Then why even have levels in the first place? Should just make all new characters free level 100s and remove all the old zones
>>335388294
Thats like comparing quests in Morrowind to Skyrim. Theres a big difference between an NPC or a letter telling you about a thing happening at X area and the quest UI giving you the exact coordinates of everything and making all the items glow.
>>335388618
The Lodestone is an official source retard, and it's as official as it gets with a well thought out method to gather its data. More reliable than a retarded shill spouting "MY SHIT GAME ISN'T DYING AND IS GAINING PLAYERS BECAUSE I SAY SO".
Fuck off retarded Squeenix shill.
>>335388664
SF2 earned Capcom 2 billion dollars in arcades without any form of tutorial mode. People learned how to play by playing other people, that is how metas are created.
>>335388645
>you already need silver proving grounds to get into lfr
on top of that, boosted characters need to wait 24 hours before being able to go into raids. that was to stop chink farmers though
>>335388802
>fighting games are MMOs now
Imagine the backlash on the forums if they decided to make all open world zones scale to your level like the Legion ones.
>>335388706
>appeal to tradition
The theme park (no content) is why the game is out 75% of its subs. You don't get to fallacy your way out of that shit.
>>335388751
>remove all the zones
Unnecessary. Great idea though.
>>335388664
tutorials are unneccessary
a basic manual that explains the controls is all you need
everything else is to be figured out while playing
>>335363152
IF you stopped being a douche and stepped outside your garrison. But the big bad world is so scary! So you'll remain insdie complainign despite there being plenty to do.
>>335388927
>great idea though
removing leveling*
>>335388947
>beyond the garrison
much gameplay! /s
>>335388768
the information is pulled from the official lodestone yes, but with the way the lodestone updates and how people have their information to track things like achievements and character profiles locked then this data is bound to be very inaccurate.
I'm not saying the game is gaining players or decreasing because no one fucking knows but square enix.
stay mad that you're wrong about everything and you're just a depressed FFXI player.
>>335363513
>FF14 shills
Like fucking clockwork
>>335388947
>despite there being plenty to do
>>335389141
http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/2/7480177/square-enix-final-fantasy-14-final-fantasy-11-dragon-quest-10-subscribers
explain how ffxiv has more than 5 million subscribers when it also has less than 1 million subscribers
>>335388864
They should run on the same system, you get gud by PLAYING THE GAME, not the game telling you what to do. Go to 5:28 in the video I linked and you know what I mean.
>>335388927
I'm not appealing to tradition, I'm appealing to what I fucking like. I don't like sandbox games, because when I'm told I can do anything, I just sit around and do nothing. Or I just gank people on my side. It's boring.
>>335387771
>it's a shit-eating analogy comic episode
>>335363513
The irony here is killing me.
>WoW used to be fun but Blizzard slowly ruined it
>FFXI used to be arguably the greatest MMO ever made until Square decided to ruin it
>They slap together a barely functioning game and call it FF14
>When that fails they clone WoW and put a poorly done FF paintjob on it
FF14 is nothing more than a giant slap in the face to everything MMOs once were, it's as if someone started playing WoW today and thought it was the savior of MMOs.
>>335389278
>I dont like sandbox MMOs
then youre fucking cancer and need to go away
>>335389141
also here's the article you posted after it got updated
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/21/final-fantasy-14-has-over-5-million-registered-accounts
People think legacy servers are good idea, but 99% of your clan and friends arent there, just try hard noobs who want to look old school, even tho they actually never played back then. If you split your player base, all the achievement whores and show off farmers will just play on in the current product. You would play legacy for 2 months max and then realize its shit. Old times arent coming back, just let it go already.
>>335388195
*fixed
>>335371889
>>335371889
>>335389353
>>FFXI used to be arguably the greatest MMO ever made until Square decided to ruin it
>>They slap together a barely functioning game and call it FF14
To be fair they did exactly the same thing with FFXI
>>335389141
The census has additional ways to gather data and takes into account locked achievements and achievements don't have a big enough impact on how the data is gathered, and there's no fucking way to fully lock a Lodestone profile. Again, the numbers are for sure off, but they're only majorly flawed by the fact they account for active characters and not active players.
Fuck off retarded, delusional and projecting Squeenix shill.
>>335389425
>still overhyping 3.3
nah. it was fucking mediocre. 3.2 was shit and Wrath launch was lousy
>>335383578
>Giving AA to melee
>>335389421
Wow, the really hasn't been shit to do since I quit.
>>335387617
What is this shit?
>>335363513
Ff14 is the peak of theme park MMOs but the genre is moving towards sandboxes now for good reason. It's impossible to give players enough content to keep them from going on autistic rants on forums, it's much more realistic to give players the tools to make their own fun.
>>335389278
>I'm not appealing to tradition
There's no reason to suggest contemporary WoW is a fulfilling game as an MMO experience. Instanced content is OK -- PvP is entertaining, and raiding is probably decent if done with a guild. There's no economy though, and there's nothing to do after raiding except for more queues.
>I've played so many sandbox MMOs
As if there are any..
>>335389642
someone came up with a shitty idea now people use it to shitpost
>>335389642
Dunno but I see some autismo reposting it around constantly
>>335389425
>having fun with Call of the Crusade
I just refuse to believe this isn't bait.
>>335364531
People will poopoo this but I picked up Destiny and its been able to scratch the grinding hamsterwheel itch that WoW gave me. I pretty much don't play any other game now, and not for lack of trying.
>blizzard stop giving a fuck about wow so much that they literally let another mobile company to develop it
>>335389470
Not entirely, the first version of FF11 was full of issues but you can attribute that to the fact that it was their first attempt at the MMO genre. What they did is spend the next year fixing everything and managed through lots of hard work to turn it into a fully functioning game and an incredible experience.
The original release of FF14 had no right to be that bad as they had over a decade of experience at that point. It's clear whoever made it had no idea what a MMO was and they probably outsourced the entire project.
>>335389695
>WoD
>2 Big patches
wew
>>335389704
BTFO Squeenix shill.
>>335389704
I'm the first 2 posts you linked. I literally fucking said "also" so you knew I was the same person you dumbfuck
>>335388947
>despite there being plenty to do
running around the world collecting gimmicky bullshit like pet battles, archeology or cosmetics isn't actual content. how is this so hard to understand?
what is the prime motivation in an RPG?
CHARACTER IMPROVEMENT
whether by leveling up or training your skills or improving your gear or whatever other method - doing things that make your character better and enable you to do more things, that's what it's all about.
and that's why TBC was so perfect - there was so much to do, and it all contributed to progressing your character in some way
>hit 70
>do long ass quest chains for gold and items
>get flying mount to access tempest keep dungeons
>get dungeon keys
>do attunement quest chains to gain entry into raids
>do dungeons for gear to get into raids
>farm rep to unlock heroic dungeons
>do raids for better gear
>slowly progress up through the raid tiers
>still have to do quests and heroic dungeons on the side because attunements
>still have to do regular farming because gold is rare
keep in mind that ALL OF IT required you to move out in the world and manually group up with players from your server
goddamn i miss tbc
corecraft when
>>335389686
I didn't say sandbox MMOs, I said sandbox games. I don't like sandbox-based games on principal, I want structure.
I tried Minecraft, and like many other sandbox games, the first thing that came to mind was I built a house, or in this case a very generic boxy castle. Then I got bored and didn't want to play anymore.
>>335384454
>if you're new, you deserve to just be passed around like a fucking bitch for hours and hours on end.
that's how its supposed to be, why do you think you don't deserve to get raped by someone who put more time into their character than you?
>>335364942
>still nothing to do.
Have you done all the dungeons and raids and trials etc?
Have you got all classes + crafters and more to 60?
Have you currently got the best gear you can obtain in FFXIV currently?
If you answer no then you have not done everything. You're being a lazy cunt and crying becaise they won't give you the best gear on a silver platter
>>335388947
>But the big bad world is so scary!
you mean in vanilla wow?
because at the state wow is right now you can one shot packs of mobs.
>>335389480
you can't prove anything what you said.
also, are you a autist or something who can't say anything else but "fuck off squareenix"
>>335389976
This fellow poster is right, FFXIV has literally endless content, you should be glad such a magnificent game exists!
>>335363152
Make it a series of fantasy RTS games again... like it was in the first place
>>335389824
>what is the prime motivation in an RPG?
Good question, because WoW is and never was an rpg. Pic related is a fucking rpg, and shitheads like you use the word like you know what it means.
>>335363513
most truthful post in this thread
it's time to move away from a decade old game.
>>335389642
Sandbox patch idea.
>>335389701
>
Your argument.
>>335389710
See above.
>>335389924
Sandbox games have structure. Get cool shit and play with it. It's the same for WoW - get the best gear and sell it or play.
>I got bored of MC
Not a sandbox MMO.
>>335390028
>a autist
Says the third world retard. Fuck off retarded Squeenix pajeet.
>>335390106
I've spent 500 hours and I still haven't done a quarter of all the content out there
>>335389924
>Minecraft is a sandbox RPG
lmao. No. There is only 1 actual progression path and thats armor upgrades. Nothing else actually improves your character in any way
>>335390190
>Sandbox games have structure.
No, they don't. They give me options of what to do, then say "go do whatever".
I don't want that, I want set objectives of what to do.
>>335390293
I agree fellow poster, it's literally impossible to do it all, I love this great masterpiece of an MMO!
>>335390190
And how does that (shit) idea fix anything, pray tell?
>>335390361
Guess what. WoW with sandbox freeroam would still have raiding and instanced PvP.
Argument invalid.
>>335390354
I played it before any of the progression stuff, and the only thing to do was the beta of building shit.
>>335389421
>>335389695
>last real content, as in a raid, was almost a year ago
wew lads
>>335390367
>>335390106
I hope these people consider killing themselves soon.
>>335390434
I don't want freeroam, I play games like the single-player rpgs I like, and those games are linear and you always have a specific set goal.
>>335363513
Final Fantasy 14 is a dead game that's only played by marketing shills and WoW refugees
>>335390676
>100 players idling around in a single area that only has as many because both the aetheryte and the markets are in the same place
>a lot
It doesn't take a bunch of characters with their names hovering above their head sitting in an area to make that place look "populated", retard.
>>335390676
Thats just Gilgamesh though. Run through any other server's Limsa and you will literally see no one.
>>335390676
>Area more active than Goldshire where people show off thier glowing worms
>dead
>>335390927
yeah all those people I see in limsa on Chocobo, Leviathan, Balmung, Excalibur, and Exodus are all bots.
>>335390676
What is this webm supposed to convey?
>>335390162
>implying you don't play a role in WoW.
>implying there are games where you don't play a role
>implying you can't call something an RPG because it'd be an insult to some hipster bait kickstarter game or something.
>>335390394
How doesn't it?
>>335390627
If you're not going to adventure in the zones, then this has no application for you, and your opinion is irrelevant completely.
>>335390231
Woooow you spent a long time arguing with that anon about how you just GOTTA be right.
God you must feel so proud.
FFXIV is great and it's healthy and gaining numbers.
Deal with it.
>>335390927
Shiva.
At 9pm EU time.
>>335391295
>100k sub drop
>healthy and gaining numbers
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>335363152
sing the petition pls
>>335391101
it's supposed to show a dead MMO that no one plays
>>335391315
>25ish characters
>a lot
>>335376489
wow that sounds so compelling
>>335391505
Still 24 more than what any WoW server has in one place.
>>335391439
Posting off topic is against the rules.
>>335391128
>your character has no backstory
>you have almost no dialog aside from short answers
>your character creation extends in no way beyond their looks
>you have extremely little effect on the world
>nothing is determined by dice roll
Would you prefer my pic was of Baldur's Gate instead of a kickstarted game? Nothing WoW does is an actual Role-Playing Game as defined by tabletop or CRPG standards.
>>335391571
>delusion
>>335390886
Everytime I do a playsearch for each zone on Gilgamesh, it shows up 200/200 players.
>>335391660
Gilgamesh is one of the top 3 most populated meme servers, they also cap it at 200 because the servers are shit and can't handle bigger queries and to not show how many actual characters are on at any given time to hide subscriber numbers.
>>335391651
yeah dude so much delusion
>>335391583
But that's a videogame
>But.. but.. legion will be good! it will be just like le vanilla days!!
No it's not. the game will never be the same again, it's just something twitch whores play, it probably has 5 more years if it's lucky.
>>335391886
>32 is less than 1
Severe delusion.
>>335363152
It's nice to see you will never ever get your nostalgia servers back
>>335391128
I mean sure you do play a role in WoW, but it got way too inflated.
You went from being a typical solider in the war against [current enemy], especially during the War Effort, to THE savior of the world and your faction and all of Azeroth as we know it.
WoD was easily the biggest offender in this regard, in no small part because of Garrisons; "this is your garrison that you will upgrade to further the fight against the Iron Horde!" that completely ignores the existence of any other Garrison or even any other player.
>>335391886
>leaving out 100s on purpose
You're a fucking moron if you think this game was ever not about the endgame
>>335392017
>in one place
there's literally only one person in dalaran
>>335392047
>actually being acknowledged for your efforts
>a bad thing
Why? It's what real rpgs do.
>>335392059
yeah sure the game is all about the endgame, that's why everyone quit.
>>335363152
You don't. It's an ass game, accept it and move on.
>>335392132
And all XIV zones except Limsa and Idleshire are ghost towns 99% of the time, unless a meme relic quest artificially forces people to populate them for the week or two that quest is relevant.
>>335392227
Not him but on my server trade chat alone has more people than that.
>>335392332
haha yeah mine too
fucking low pop fags, whatre they thinking?
>>335391650
>nothing is determined by dice roll
Not true, loot is
>>335390676
I thought this game was supposed to be dead
>>335387617
This would be so simple to implement. They already make fresh gear, ores, herbs, etc..
>>335392160
Yeah that's good, but that happens earlier in WoW when you're just a soldier too; War Effort you get rewards for contributing, questgivers laud you and yell your name and stuff (Onyxia's head turn-in), there's plenty examples.
WoD has too much acknowledgement because it literally excludes the existence of other players and their Garrisons; you are THE agent of the Horde/Alliance against the Iron Horde, it's not a cooperative thing, it's JUST YOU fighting on behalf of your faction.
It's entirely too much of a spotlight that isn't seen outside of singleplayer RPGs; WoW is supposed to be a massively multiplayer RPG.
>>335392440
It is, that's just the 3rd most populated server, all other servers are ghost towns.
>>335392294
>This delusion.
I log in majority of the time on Shiva and it tells me my world is full.
>>335392416
DELETE THIS
>>335392160
>WoW
>a real rpg
Pick one. You're leaving out a few letters.
>>335392416
>not a single server on High
>[the current year]
>>335390676
This is the equivalent of running through Warspear AH on Illidan. Its not what you see outside of Sarg and Balmung.
>>335392564
>He still believes this
ayyy lmao
>>335381191
wildstar is dead, didnt you see the ncsoft report? it will be shutdown in next few months after they milk whatever they can from the people who will try the game on steam launch and quit a week later just like all the f2p players.
>>335392564
so if I don't play on a dead server, I get to play with more people than I can on Tichondrius on retail WoW?
What are the top 5 servers in FF14?
>>335392749
im stupid i misread "worst" as "most"
>>335363152
remove all cross-realm shit
remove LFR
remove LFD
merge low pop servers
make quests that actually require a party to complete
REMOVE GARRISONS
Turn Garrisons 2.0 into customization-heavy guild halls where you hang out with guild members, go on missions with each other, etc.
>>335392416
>b-but we made more server capacity!
>>335392227
Im convinced the /who is bugged without a tag because I can /who and get like 40 people but then I /who just one specific leveling zone and see 20+ from my realm alone.
>>335392781
Balmung, Gilgamesh, Chocobo, Leviathan, Tonberry
>>335392564
But that's LITERALLY not true.
>>335392669
That was confirmed though. No not because they said so. Because immediately after one particular maintenance all realms on NA and EU dropped a rank in pop and stayed that way.
>>335392416
How do I learn how to falseflag like you?
>>335392982
>Tonberry
Dead and garbage server. Excalibur and Exodus are more alive than it.
>>335393118
>april 14th
also your screenshot isn't any better
>>335392893
>still no post-raid content
>>335393037
>>335392737
>>335392628
>>335381863
>sub 12k active players
>not ghost towns
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
>>335393118
>paying $15/mo to roleplay
>>335363152
I hate this picture the more i see it
the vanilla picture is a private server or some shit no doubt and garrisons don't take up 10 minutes of your time a day if that boooohoooooo
>>335393118
What the fuck does "high" and "medium" equal to?
For all we know "high" just means 300 people.
>>335393248
>he thinks there is anything past raids
I forgot a decent patch schedule to add more raid tiers.
>>335393338
>on a pve server
>>335382603
Jesus fuck look at that uncanny valley
>>335386949
lower in at legion because there will be more people buying tokens to play and more people buying tokens to sell.
Right now they are at a higher prices because ti's at a lower pop and people arent buying as many
>>335393341
>the vanilla picture is a private server or some shit
It's obviously a guild posing for a picture
get a load of these retail WoW servers
>>335393386
>there is nothing past raids
That's exactly what that post says.
>>335393353
That applies to pretty much every MMO. We don't know exact server capacities.
>demon hunter, the new class everyone will make and wanted since vanilla, has 4 abilities at max level
>>335393308
>He feels validated by numbers instead of enjoyment
I don't even play mmos but this is just sad
>>335393560
Sorry let me fix my post
>he thinks there can be anything past raids
>>335393613
just like arms warrior
you could literally macro all your abilities to one button and do top dps.
>>335393770
subscription numbers in context are directly related to game quality
>>335393770
>numbers only count when they make the game I like look good
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>335393827
Why do I still come here
>>335393827
WoW has the most subscribers out of all MMOs out right now so WoD must be the best MMO expansion to play right now right?
>>335364531
You have to play 8 bit quirky indie games anon.
If you think they're dumb then gaming is not for you anymore.
Same boat I'm in. I just want fun, adventurous games with good graphics and AAA features. That age has ended though, it seems.
>>335393954
With their arbitrary sub count.
>>335393950
i don't know, are you going to try and refute it?
>>335393954
you don't know how many subscribers wow has right now
>>335394004
>AAA features
what did he mean by this?
>>335393924
How is that anything past raids at all?
No different than grinding for mats in order to raid in vanilla.
>>335393810
this was a while back in the alpha when i looked into affliction lock, but at that point it looked like all you did as one was
Keep agony applied
keep corruption applied
use unstable affliction with shard
use drain life
and corruption had a buff from either the artifact weapon or the talents that would stop it from ever falling off. so to play affliction was down to 3 buttons when you were actually in combat.
>>335394075
You don't know how many XIV has either.
>>335392645
No the opposite, the problem is I implied it is or ever was an rpg at all.
>>335393827
I've only ever played WoW, so I really have no way of gauging that. Surely that means WoW is objectively better than other mmos on the market.Which would worry me.
>>335393903
Pham, I gave up playing mmos a long time ago, I don't have a vested interest. I just don't understand your line of reasoning.
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okay
>>335394115
Long campaigns with lots of sidequests. Good voice acting and artwork. 3-d graphics that don't look like they were made in 2002. Deep, epic stories that don't rely on "le random quirkiness" or grimdark bullshit.
>>335394187
Contemporary WoW doesn't even have grinding for mats.
How is it unique? It's WPvP, with all of its potential, from capturing zones through zone bosses.
>>335390676
i'm confused are you trying to say the game is dead or is it alive?
>>335364531
Been playing vanilla with 4 friends on Kronos, only playing when we're all available. Going on the old adventures we used to love together. Very fun, and I'm yet to encounter bugs. Long login queues though.
>>335394491
I never said contemporary WoW had grinding for mats.
I never asked about or said anything regarding uniqueness either.
>It's WPvP, with all of its potential, from capturing zones through zone bosses.
For what purpose? Get a zerg going for some raid-tier loot that's just going to break?
No one wants a game that's all about loot when their loot breaks permanently.
>>335389976
>If you haven't done every single thing possible in an MMO you are a lazy cunt
It doesn't matter how much content there is if it isn't something you want to do.
I don't have every single achievement in WoW, doesn't mean I'm going to dedicate my life to raising Defiler's rep.
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>>335383612
> tfw melee shitter will never understand the fun of being full gladiator hunter in full elite transmog bustin nuts on kids ever 1 min.
>>335393535
>Alexstrasza
>low
Feels bad manwho are you anon?
